If not a joke, and I don't think it was, maybe he was confusing the application of % reductions and % increases? A 60% reduction means something is less than half the original (lets say you start with 100 it takes you to 40) but a 60% increase is only a 6 x 10th increase (100 to 160). This asymmetric way % changes affect a number is a bit confusing. Both are the same absolute changes (60) but one halves while the other doesn't double. You would need a 100% or more increase to get a doubling. For instance to go from 40 to 100 (to reverse the 60% decrease) would be a 150% increase, which would also take you from 100 to 250.
Expensive systems like aircrafts and ships are already controlled by extremely expensive personell, and the level of technology can determine if they will be war winners (like the US air force) or almost totally useless (like the Russian air force). But what truly makes infantry "good" is much harder to improve through money. Motivation, military culture, cooperation, individual skill... Equipment can improve infantry as well (including improve their morale), but it's much lower on the list.
The US did the same thing for a long time. I was infantry starting back in 1999 and we were still using iron sights, flak vests, our SAWs were the ones with faulty rails making them as reliable as a distracted cat, and our primary antitank system was the AT-4 with some dragons from the 70's. Just before going to Iraq we finally got Javelins which proved VERY useful and we did have plenty of radios and NVG's thankfully. When T&P said that China had two radios per a company my inner grunt screamed in horror. The lack of NVG's are bad but at least you can fight most of the time, the lack of radios affects you all the time and it is far worse than not being able to see as far.
Because it doesn't matter that much, a grunt after all is a grunt. You need better intelligence and high tech weapon systems. The US is used to fighting guerrilla warfare where if you play the guerrilla's game, which we always do, it doesn't matter what technological advantage you have.
China is in the same strategic situation as the US. Any theoretical war they could get involved in would be 80% a Navy and Air Force war. Elite well equipped infantry aren't going to change that. Militaries need infantry but the degree to which infantry matter will vary quite a bit between nations.
@jeffk464 a grunt without the ability to see, shoot, or communicate is useless. At night if I have good NVG's and my opposition doesn't I will slaughter their forces. If you don't understand why try playing paintball with a blindfold. The lack of radios means that either the entire force needs to move in one massive lump or no one will know what is going on. Infantry needs to maneuver in small groups that can immediately adjust to new situations to be effective. As for the rifle, in CQB there's really not much difference but the introduction of the ACOG to Afghanistan proved to be a huge force multiplier. We got so many head shots at longer ranges that our forces were initially accused of executing the Taliban grunts. The rifle and the round doesn't really matter that much, it's the accessories that matter.
It depends, there us ambiguity is it a 50% increase from original (×1.5) or was it an increase of 50% of final (doubling). Generally we mean the former, in business classes they call it markup by sale or markup by price and sometimes people will use one or the other to make their point seem bigger.
@@patbak235 i have the correct spelling on an email i cant find. But this is the size of a twitter handle as well, so idk consistency. Anyways its basic math. Like I siad usually people mean a 50% markup from initial cost but occasionally you'll see it used the other way based on final. Especially in like expo facto cases like "50% of my check was overtime" they earned 100% more than regular time, but still true statement. (I dont remember the original context but this is very badic stuff, like easier than knowing 50% faster work ==> job done in ⅓ less time.)
It has been an issue in communist societies dating back to the establishment of the soviet army. The reason they ended up with political commissars was to solve a dispute between those who wanted to use ex-Russian imperial army officers to get the new force up and running quickly, and those who wanted to start from scratch with a more marxist structure. The compromise was to place commissars in the units to keep an eye on the officers and men, to make sure that they weren't doing or saying anything too counter-revolutionary.
Mao was an ignorant peasant which was a bad start for the Chinese people. He did the majority of his thinking with his little head while "hiding" from the Japanese and letting the Nationalists do ALL the fighting. He often narc'd out Natls information to the Japanese forces.
Mao, upon seeing sparrows eating grain, ordered 1 billion Chinese to kill every bird they encountered to prevent food shortages from birds eating all their grain. They did just that. Then the insect population exploded because no birds were eating them, the bugs ate all their crops, and the Chinese starved so hard that tens of millions of them died. Mao, upon deciding China needed to prove it was relevant to the world by exporting steel, ordered 1 billion Chinese to drop what they were doing and produce steel. So they melted down every piece of metal they could get their hands on, pots, pans, farming tools, etc. and melted them down. They chopped down entire forests to fuel the furnaces, and some of the more zealous Chinese tore apart their own houses to provide more fuel for the furnaces. In the end, they produced massive quantities of worthless pig iron, and now they had nothing to cook in, no tools to work with, and other issues. Basically, just about every brilliant idea Mao came up with was devastatingly stupid. And that doesn't get into rumors about his lavish lifestyle while tens of millions of Chinese starved to death, or having entire troupes of underage girls perform Chinese opera and ballet for him in the nude.
9:03 The US army had a very similar "no rank" structure right after the US Revolution, where officers of militia units were elected by the unit members. While there was technically a "rank" difference, the elected nature of the position meant US military discipline was lacking until the institution of a proper officer corps.
Cappy's comment about that and the Vietnam war was a revelation. Whilst I'm sure that the PLA will be noting the failure of Russia's lack of an NCO structure, I think they are wedded by ideology to maintaining a political commissar structure to the detriment of sound decision making.
@@farhorizons3901 Worse, the Chinese military structure punishes innovation and improvisation, while the U.S. military structure usually rewards it....but only sometimes. We saw limitations in Afghanistan with the U.S. military at war within itself. Read the book "American Spartan" . That account of a Special Forces Major (Jim Gant) is typical also of Human Terrain Systems civilians working for DoD and attached to SF units in Afghanistan. The gung-ho trigger pullers often destroyed MONTHS of painstaking "hearts and minds" work that had won over Taliban leaders. The U.S. military leadership, NOT politicians lost the war in Afghanistan because like the American civilian population you have a sharp divide between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives are the dominant political ideology in the military. Their idea of hearts and minds campaigns was a 5.56mm double tap to the heart and the brain.
@@wigonits probably the opposite now lmao. The Chiefs are warning about the outcomes of war against bigger adversaries while Congress is constantly escalating global conflicts.
The 3D-model at 2:44 is that of an airsoft gun. The loose part is the gearbox, the part in the middle is a gearbox with the handle attached, much like most M4 airsoft replicas do. So they'll probably release an airsoft model of it :)
Good eye, I didnt catch it but I diid think it was weeird the PLA manufacturer was releasing animated internals for a new domestic military weapon. Good post.
Fun fact about the keyhole, I have a nice T97 (Canada) with lots of upgrades that made it a pretty sweet platform. But I was also getting keyholes from about the same range (25,-100m) as well. Left me confused that maybe the gunshmith that threaded the barrel might have damage de crown in some way. But I finally got rid of the T97 and this video finally sheds light on this keyhole topic. It's a norinco stuff I guess
China manufactures 2 billion bullets annually and exports 1 billion bullets to the United States. Could the video host ask the American infantry if using Chinese bullets would create a key-shaped bullet hole at a distance of 25 meters?
Unless the rounds were way out of spec then a rifle without flaws should shoot them straight and stabilized, but if the twist rate is wrong for the caliber, or smoothbore, they will tumble through the air, especially since spritzer bullets have the center of gravity in the rear of the bullet.
You can get keyholing when the weight of the bullet is too heavy for the amount of spin the rifling can induce over the barrel length. It is over come by reducing the bullet weight, having a longer barrel, or having a higher twist rate on the barrel. A barrel that's had a lot of wear or perhaps has the groves filled with gunk (needs cleaning) might also have issues with inducing enough spin.
The reason for those bullets to be key-holing at such short distances is because they were training in a shoot-house with no proper backstop behind the targets, and concrete walls, so they switched their ammo from the usual metallic projectiles to riot-control rubber bullets to avoid ricochets. Since those bullets don't engage the rifling properly, they're only useful at short distances, because they keyhole badly.
It's weird people are still parroting the idea that this was a rifle issue rather than an ammunition issue. I'm by no means pro-China but like, seriously dude, at least be truthful when you're hating on the PLA.
If some QBZ-191s make their way to the US, I seriously hope Ian McCollum and Brandon Herrera get their hands on one for review purposes, and Garand Thumb for review and entertaining LARP purposes.
Which will, IMO, only be half of the story...even _IF_ the export version is in the 'issue' caliber, good luck on getting ammo. Odds are that the export model will be in 5.56mm NATO, which means you'll be just guessing when it comes to range & accuracy with the PLA ammo.
Even the Canadian import of type-95 (type-97 in 5.56) doesn’t have the PLA issued 5.8 so it will be hard to really know the real performance of the cartridge.
I was drawn in by your title, I thought you would go into detail about the mechanical design and construction of the qbz191 and compare and conjecture with the construction of classic firearms such as ar and ak. And what do I see? There is nothing objective about it.
@@GymnopedieNo3 His main task is to propagandise the “weakness” of China, but not to constructively explain what’s good and what’s bad in construction of certain vehicle/item he talks about. China is strong, but not in attack. For US it would be impossible to penetrate China’s defensives, but at the same time for China it would be impossible to commit huge offensive against US and its allies.
@@BecarefulIliveinyourwallssuggesting it would be impossible to penetrate chinas defense is absurd. The only country genuinely impenetrable is the United States, because of not only the exuberant amount of money dedicated to national defense, but the geographical location itself. No country has ever existed that has the same benefits the U.S. has when regarding strategic importance.
The one issue that you would have to worry about for mass producing this new rifle is loose tolerances which can lead to a lot of heartache for regular grunts when they get the bad draw when handed their issued rifle. The keyholing could just be a production issue of early variants that could be fixed but China is a different beast and comparing western approaches to problem solving to China is like getting a fish to climb a tree. We have already witnessed a similar issue with Russia, with the west quietly being nervous and falling for the propaganda, expecting Russian soldiers equipped with decked out AK-12's while covering a T-14 Armata. The real problem with cutting through the grease of propaganda when it comes to small arms is that the proof is in the pudding when only you can actually view a complete strip down of the rifle and get into the guts of the weapon so it is very hard to confirm or deny if the weapon lives up to expectations. Norinco has improved over the last twenty years but that reputation boost is reliant on the consumer market, not really the military market since China has not been in any proper wars to field test Norinco's goodies. It would be like taking the glowing review of a Canadian hunter with his Norinco rifle being applied to a peer-to-peer battle. Apples and oranges. Love the vids Cappy
This is true, but you should remember that Russia and China are *very* different countries and cultures. As much as we rag on China for being cheap, the fact is that quality assurance is impossible to maintain when managing production on the scale China handles things. A majority of Chinese products are actually extremely reliable, but our brains only recognize and blame Chinese cheapness when we see something fail or a localized dip in quality. For example, there were several modern infrastructure projects recently that were almost all successful with no issue in China, however one key province's construction workers failed to apply mix correctly and thus we saw crumbling roads seemingly made out of 'chalk'. This is the same for almost everything. And a key reason why China makes such boisterous and high-tech designs stolen from reliable sources like the U.S. because even if 25% of your new stealth jets are poorly made, you still made enough so that the other 75% are going to be good. This is the opposite for what Russia has done and continues to do which is rely on pride and stubbornness in seemingly ever aspect of their society even down to production. When a Russian factory fails to meet quotas, instead of expanding the amount of factories or workers, Russian politicians and officers will simply say "Well then just make it work!" and as a result either the factory comes up with a cheap way to get the quota done (even if things come out crappy and rushed) or they just fail outright. To really get a sense of what I'm talking about here, look at the production of the MiG-9. It was literally designed to show power projection post WW2 and even though it was designed to barely be flyable or even fire its crappy engine-mounted guns (yep, right through the engine), factory workers were simply given quotas and had to practically make most of them out of wood. Similarly look up Russian fire-and-forget missiles, they still don't work and are sold everywhere because Ivan can't imagine a world where just motivation alone won't carry him to the finish line.
I think what wasn't mentioned about the 800m range is that the variant of the QBZ-191 that could hit that distance is the DMR version, with more power and reinforced barrel, instead of the conventional rifle version
800 meters is nothing. You can do that with a rack grade ar15 with a good optic and 77gr round. Every modern "assault rifle" is capable of this the bottleneck is the soldier and the optic
@@rodiculous9464 I mean yes but that also doesn't mean anything, the barrel twist rate and overall design choices for the AR-15 were centered around accuracy. Military assault rifles have to be able to penetrate body armour and because of that are usually less accurate than a civilian or hunting rifle. That being said I wouldn't take their word for accuracy statistics on an unproven secretive new rifle.
Correction: If they named something Type 20, it means the year it was certified for service. For example, Type 56 (Chinese AK-47) was certified in 1956, and Type 95 was certified in 1995.
I've seen the blueprints for the rifle and there's a lot of clever features. My favorite feature is that it has numerous gas ports in the barrel at differing distances. This means the gas regulator allows you to select not only for energy when changing position, but dwell time too. People who design something this clever aren't going to make a barrel that keyholes.
@@aelitastones3110 No, look at the diagrams. Norinco has been making arms and exporting them for ever and are nothing like cheap goods you get at walmart.
@@aelitastones3110 From what I have gathered from other commenters there are 2 primary reason these propoganda rifles could be keyholing. 1) rubber bullets during training, prevents accidents or 2) these are training rifles and not the actual equipment. Even the us has training rifles that keyhole because they don't change out worn out barrels. Why they would put that in the propo video, well, no one said the media was smart. Even US media doesn't know the first thing about firearms, why would the CCP media.
Sorry, I disagree. I own several norinco SKS's, but I see no reason to switch from the proven 7.62x39 nor 5.45x39. I'd further add that multiple gas regulators is quite a terrible idea unless you plan to put silencers on the rifle in which case you'd only need 2. I don't see the keyhole to be a problem, they probably used rubber/simunition ammo instead of regular ammo in a shoot house to avoid ricochets. Rubber or more likely simunition rounds probably don't grab onto the grove of the rifling as well causing it to keyhole. On the bright side of the new rifle is that china will offload their old SKS/AK rifles to other countries, in which case there will be a surplus of new rifles in the US markets.
Granted that image has existed for almost a decade so there’s inflation, but yeah, not a good look and really emphasizes their older quantity over quality approach. I do find it interesting that the image used seems to depict some sort of body armor system (tho it’s most likely just a flak vest)
Weapons are always made domestically so the cost of manufacturing boils down to resources and labor. Few kg of steel cost effectively nothing and labor is 10x cheaper in China. So in the end, the ammound of man-hours needed to make equipment for one PLA soldier is comparable to US situation
@@alexmin4752 even at the rates of china they are very under equipped they were the last people to get anything new air force rocket force and navy alway was first then even in the army the tanks and other vechiles/heavy equipment got first pick. Fact of the matter is china is a government and military of political power they aren’t run by general who are there for skilled they are their for their ability to politic. As such they have over emphasized their ability on a global stage, it’s similar to what the soviets did they would show of a few wonder weapons tell the west this was standard kit for soldiers the west believes it and made even better weapons standard kit.
I believe the US Military pays less than $500 for an M4A1. Add an ACOG and a PEQ15, and you're pushing $3000. Combine that with a $3000 PVS 14 and a plate carrier with 2 plates and a helmet , and a basic infantryman is already up to $8000, before any other additional equipment. Of course, that gives him abilities leaps ahead of any non western army.
During PLA's no ranking period, it is very interesting that the only way to tell between an officer and soldier is the number of pockets on their uniforms. Officers have 4 pockets, and soldiers only have 2 with no lower pockets.
So they still had ranks when they were gaining nukes, rockets, and hundreds of millions of people under Mao despite what the "official experts" say about the country to this day.
@@benholroyd5221 because they still need someone to lead the rest of the soldier. It quite similar to the early US approach after the revolutionary war.
8:57 The key holing issue could also be them using extremely old blown out barrels for CQB training rather than burning up new ones. I shot a m4 in Las Vegas that was doing the exact same thing at under 25 yards due to the amount of sustained full auto on the same barrel.
@@johneato That's what I'm saying, I was using an M16 that was probably older than I was in Bootcamp and that thing was almost laser accurate once sited in. Seems like an excuse the CCP is putting out to mask the fact they're using cheaply made weapon systems that wont be effective against armored adversaries.
Mounting com controls onto the forward grip (or anywhere on the weapon) sounds absolutely awful. You need to basically pair a gun to a radio/helmet and every time you perform a maintenance or an inventory check you risk mismatching them. In addition, you will have to constantly check whether your gun is paired with your coms, which adds precious time to your combat-ready state. Imagine your base gets attacked and you realize you can't sound an alarm or call for backup, because you grabbed the wrong gun off the rack.
Pff. You act (or wish) like they would need to have all their coms on their guns just because they can press some buttons faster than you in this age of interconnectivity. You could grab the wrong radio or helmet in your base attack scenario.
@@tritium1998 I'm confused because you're not making sense. There is no such thing as "wrong radio", you always identify yourself if you're using com channels (which is what you'd be doing in an emergency situation). If you're using wireless controls, they have to be paired to your device, this isn't some fantasy scenario, it is how wireless tech works. Even with your edits, your comment is still nonsensical, so please take some time to think about it next time.
The Chinese 5.8 round is not terrible. It would be easiest compared to a 77gr 5.56 loaded super hot through an 18" barrel. It doesn't like short barrels though and oddly enough, benefits very little over 20" with the dats that I saw. In the comparison that I read, It beats both the 5.56 & 5.45 in muzzle velocity and energy in medium length or approx 16-18" barrels. I didn't see anything on twist etc, so take everything with a grain of salt.
Not even super hot to be honest. Their 77gr offering, DBP88, is about 100fps faster than mk262. I load 77s hotter that matter (SW Match doesn't create pressure issues). I use 77s almost exclusively, but I don't quite understand why the Chinese use a steel core since they aren't effective against modern body armor, make the bullet longer and more difficult to stabilize which may be why there were keyhole targets and generally degrades accuracy since the penetrator adds complexity to the design.
@@no-sway3709 it increases the effective range by increasing the ballistic coefficient while not increasing the weight of the round. Same reason we use the M855 It lets massed fire be more effective at range because the round stays lethal and not being able to hit anything doesn't matter when it's a hundred guys firing full auto at the general area, someone will hit something.
@SilverStar Heggisist a 77gr SMK is far more effective than the ss109 if BC is the concern. Furthermore, a longer bullet means less usable case capacity which leaves velocity on the table. Zero precision shooters use steel core bullets and none of the new military rounds use them, so there's a snowflake's chance in hell that they overlooked the supposed BC benefit. The SS109 was designed to defeat soft body armor and that's pretty much it. There's no longer a purpose as anyone with armor is rocking plates.
@@no-sway3709 the M855 wasn't made for precision shooters. It was made specifically for the M249 SAW to push it's effective range out. On a machine gun designed to plaster a area with bullets, precision isn't a concern. But effect at range is. The M855 isn't designed to out do the 77 grain. It's designed to have a bit better BC then a M193 55 grain. The Chinese likely are mixing a number of different stats together making it seem like they've one super bullet, when instead they're quoting the best stats from each type. I wouldn't be surprised if their accuracy stats are from a FMJBT and their range stats are from the steel core. Because it's china.
OK, the reason that PLA was not widely equipped with ballistic plates is that the ballistic plates and vests have an expiration date because of the kevlar and other ballistic materials. The plates and vests are only distributed to front-line soldiers who currently have military missions like border control, United Nations peacekeeping force, special ops, and armed police (different from SWAT and normal police). This is the most cost-effective way of utilizing the equipment.
a military shouldn’t be using soft plates anyways, because most soft plates are terrible against rifles and the ones that do stop rifles have awful back deformation. if they’re still using kevlar instead of steel or ceramic, that is NOT a good thing
"total lack of body armor in Russian Army" - at the start of the war there were videos of 1 Russian soldiers that had cardboard instead of body armor. The rest of the soldiers in that captured group (4-5) were not shown. So they had body armors. Since then no other video like that emerged. Up to 500 soldiers captured, no cardboard shown ever again. Yeah, this is an reliable channel, just like like CNN
Since no country is likely to invade China in a ground war, China has no need to equip ALL of their soldiers well, nor to provide first rate training for ALL of their soldiers. They just need to properly equip and train enough of their soldiers for an expeditionary force. For example, their potential invasion of Taiwan might involve, at most, about 200,000 soldiers. Their adventures in African countries involve a few 10s of thousands of soldiers. Their PLAN soldiers (marines) serving on their island bases and on ships will probably have a higher priority in receiving the best equipment and training.
Don't think they would declare war or invade anyone to be honest. They just rely on their foreign investments both inward and outward way too much. I mean they're already buying up loads of properties in the west coast that the US government is thinking about banning property sales to Chinese investors.
Even with body armour 200k soldiers would be wiped out by pre sighted Taiwanese artillery/ mortars on landing. The nation of Taiwan has had a lot of time to prepare and has far better kit than ukraine had at the start of the war
@Sumba they could try...but no doubt the us has supplied taiwan with patriots/thaads/ cwiz.. ect so they would need to launch everything they got simultaneously to overwhelm Taiwanese AA ...also the US would intervene ...china knows they are done if they fight the US More likely whenever taiwan crosses ANOTHER CCP 'red line ' china will punnish them by shooting missiles into Taiwan's seas🤦♂️
Vic Diaz. I don't think the sig spear will ever be used by the US military against the Chinese. Maybe the sig spear will be sold to the Taiwan government but that's it. Lmao
@@Jjftbb most likely the Taiwan government will be using the SIG spear against the Chinese military. There's no chance America will fight the Chinese. Do you want to debate why? I'm looking to debate with someone smart. I'm kinda bored right now.
FYI, tumbeling projectiles could be intentional. There is practice ammo for small shooting ranges with ridges that ruin aerodynamics, causing the bullets to tumble and fall within short range. Stops it from flying past the range and into urban areas.
Yes, evidence is, if it is tumbling, the hitting shaps will not be always the same position. This is China's supersonic wind tunnel research result. Since hollowpoint bullet is forbidden, stopping power can only be achieved via this bullet technology.
The key holing in a lot of the training videos is mainly due to the fact that they use rubber ammo for training. This was stated by a TH-cam channel that is ran a current Chinese swat team member. I could find the channel but I can’t remember the name. You used some of his footage in the intro.
lol no they got busted trying to sell full auto AKs and RPGS to American organized crime/gang groups in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong the Norinco/Polytech products of the day were good guns for the money but they put out some absolute turds too
Just realized that their grips have a PTT button which might mean each soldier is now also receiving comms and is able to talk without taking a hand off the weapon
@@comradesillyotter1537 Probably not smart at all- They'll train around it and rely on it but in the field it will break right away and almost no one will be able to ever reliably use it.
If you work with comms in the military you'll see why this is a terrible idea. You'll get kiddos completely unable to process what's in front of them while holding down the PTT button. You don't want your average 19 year old having a PTT, especially not a squad of them with it at their finger tips. Plus, I really doubt this will be reliable, it's just going to be another battery operated thing to go wrong when it's cold and rainy. I think every average infantrymen would much rather have a workable weapon mounted flashlight, which I didn't see mounted on all of these rifles.
The PLA is a huge army. It takes a long time and a lot of money to change standard equipment. Look at how long it took the US Army to change to the M-9 pistol and now the M-17/18?
@@BaconSlayer69 Eh, now that they aren't being treated as a complete afterthought, having a modern, modular pistol makes sense. Especially because the new rifle doesn't look especially fun to use indoors
@Harambe the berettas in service were pretty abused and it was time for new pistol considerations. The sigs are optic ready and relatively cheap. Personally, I've shot both and hate the Beretta, but there will be plenty that disagree with me.
Who are those guys? If those vests are not body armor, I think 1980s Soviet soldier and Chinese commandos fighting in Vietnam might had better equipment than them, at least they both had steel helmet and the Soviets would had body armor.
Great episode with a bit of humor and loads of pertinent information. Keep up the good work. Even the John Wick parody ad of GOAT Guns was entertaining.
Abolishing ranks in the chinese army was useful AF during the korean war when you took chinese prisonners... because they knew every little detail of the entire army's plans lol...
Korean war was a decade before the cultural revolution. Back then PLA still had ranks. The reason why UN forces got very little intel from the Chinese pow could be that most of the average soliders in Korean war were defected KMT troops in the civil war. They were meant to be expandables.
I visited Nepal back in March and was able to tour their largest hydroelectric power plant. The guards at the powerplant had this rifle. It was the smaller carbine version, with no optic or forward grip. I assume that must have been the export version.
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That was something I noticed. It's really difficult to tell real deal training from edgy try-hard potemkin LARPing. China (and many Eastern nations) want to look clean and "sharp", to the point that you never see the real deal training. This is unlike the curated videos we see of BUDS or boot camp from the US; where you get to see at least a little bit of the ugly and harsh reality of training for combat. I've seen dozens of videos of US soldiers trudging through the mud, some so disoriented from all the hard training that they are barely coherent; some vomit, others cry. Yet, for Eastern nations such a thing is unheard of because of "face" culture. As an example, when NK took arrested that college student, the interrogators were so perplexed as to how much of a "chicken" the guy was. He's a scared 20-something in a foreign country being accused of being a spy and these people, whose job it is to understand and "break" humans, couldn't fathom that he refused to try to put on a brave face and showed his emotions. They would expect even a NK child to glare defiantly at US interrogators and tell them nothing. It's that cultural difference that holds back nations like Russia and China. It's like how in the US military, if you push yourself to the point of injury, people will pull you aside and tell you to slow down and that you'll make it. In China or Russia during training, you'll be punished for showing weakness and even forced to perform in-spite of the injury. They might even berate you for daring to bring it up. This extends to most of their branches as well. It makes for tough soldiers but tough soldiers don't win wars; healthy, logical, and methodical soldiers do. Weakness isn't bad, because it tells you how far you have to go before you are effective. By not accepting weakness, these nations never learn their flaws and shortcomings until there are a pile of their own dead being sent back to them in boxes. Just look at Ukraine. I expect Taiwan to be the next one that will really drive that point home.
@@PenTheMighty To some extent yes, however, in United States that has gone to far. You say that weakens isn't bad. That statement is wrong. If weakness was not bad, then no physical requirements would exist, and any person that can barley walk would be a perfect soldier, that is not true. Weakness is bad. Low performance is bad.
@@Go-ah-oold There's a spectrum to everything. Humans are vulnerable in a number of ways. Working around weakness to make things work is good. Improvement, working within your limits. Being reasonable. Pretending it was never there and making Ivan march on a broken leg isn't helping much at all though.
I suspect the keyholes in the targets was a result of the ammo being used. It looked like indoor/shoot house training. Maybe they were firing different rounds.
no, I am chinese ,and heard before, shoot mode matter maybe. pull trigger for 1 time ,has 3 mode, single bullet,,,, 2 bullets, unlimited bullets.. I think that's 2 or 3 bullets in a row then get that hole
I honestly getting really sick of however, every single video I see mentioning China is always negative. No one shoots at 800 yards anyway, don’t complain about stupid details. Almost all gun fights happen within a couple hundred yards and individual accuracy is hardly important when you’ve got an infantry squad blasting away at you. I don’t know if it’s just that everyone on TH-cam insists on being negative about everything, or that all westerners insist on being negative about China. I don’t get it.
Could it be because the ChiComs are sworn enemies of the US? We trade with them because most of USA is greedy and stupid , facilitated by Carter’s traitorous policies.
Because we are taught and fed a bunch of biased, disinformation by the Western media to instill fear of any com block countries like Russia or China. Its been like this since the Cold War.
agreed. that shit is going to be so easy to exploit. triangulate positions, mess with their aiming, hide heat signatures, drain the batterys on the sights. if it has a mic listen in on conversations.
I guess the same applies for the Indian army too. The lack of equipment and standardization even for active troops that face insurgency ordeals on a monthly basis is just sad.
I'm starting to get the feeling Cappy at this point is only making videos to make ads for Goat Guns. Seriously needs to start making shows out of these ads.
Keep in mind that China releases videos of their stuff several years after they already started deploying it, only this year we started seeing closeups of the liaoning, the J20b with the WS15 already has images out there being tested yet they haven't formally introduced it even though there's reports it's already being produced
@@theguy8412 not true.. the QBZ95 was not issued to all chainese troop, even tho its been used for decades.... same for this qbz 191, only goes to elite front line troops.. chaina is always a 跟屁虫 , always a follower of the greatest military on earth, praying they'll be second best ahead of the rest...
Considering historical example, very unlikely. How long has Russia promote T-14 Armata and how much has it seen in combat? Promotion ans propaganda doesn't translate to reality
@@jchantw modern Chinese military can only be counted since about 2005-2010, the big buildup has been happening since then, just now that they are starting to catch up in most fields are they dedicating more resources towards troops, just because back in the day with a smaller economy, less risk of war and when they were technologically behind they couldn't do it doesn't mean they can't right now.
Hilariously, a Canadian company designed and built upper and lower guards to replace the plastic on the export (5.56) variant of the T95/T97. The two components replace the handle with a rail, allow for AR grips, and provides an AR style safety. These improvements turn the rifle intoone that's actually useful and comfortable, except for its weight... It absolutely blows my mind that the Chinese version of the rifle lacked such obvious features from the get go.
The idea then was to have a cheap rifle that could be mass produced to equip a massive conscript army. Once you understand that, it's easy to explain a lot of the inferiorities in the QBZ95's design.
@@KingOhmni Who cares. And I doubt the libertards care either. They'll attempt to ban the receiver making the aftermarket parts irrelevant. That said, the T97 was on then removed the list of firearms to be banned.
Ranks issue - same happened in Soviet Union, officers were fired and disallowed because "officers are imperialist" (that was major slogan of Lenin era), and had a large protest among soldiers when Stalin introduced officership back in ~1942
It should be noted that the type 95 was always a stopgap. Being, essentially, a rushed into production cheap bullpup conversion of the previous rifle meant to be ready in time for photo ops (because bullpup = futuristic) - you can imagine the many ways it sucked from that description alone.
The old 95 was not designed to be able to use any attachments, there is a metal sight in the railing and it can be removed for attachments but it isn’t a bad design, just old design
China's GDP in 2019 was about 40 time of that in 1991 when type 95 was designed! Because rifles are made in number of millions so keeping cost as low as possible is number one priority in the old days. Today performance instead of cost becomes the No.1 priority.
The tactical role of qbz95 is kinda like the famas. Handy and minimalistic bullpup design, (practically) no provision for attachments, and has a long barrel bipod version as the saw. Interestingly both nations also switched to a carbine with short piston + buffer tube around 2020
Hi cappy, you mentioned that the bullet tumble scene, there are key factors to address here: 1st : Maybe the rifling is not properly designed, which not enough spin will cause the bullet to tumble. 2nd: The gunpowder used in training is lesser, causing the bullet travel from supersonic to subsonic causes tumbling. Which I think, the less gunpowder they used to reduce training costs (but minimal effect)?
Not reduce the training cost. Hiding the real data of the weapons on TV is traditionally in PLA. Even all the troops No, name and detailed info will be hided even on the TV. Chinese military manufacting system is quite different than the USA or other countries. So they usually don't "show off" a lot on TV. A lot of Chinese military fans hate this a lot. LOL
I didn't get that message. But I note one advantage of the West is the ability for people to speak up, such that basic soldiers can criticize the weapons, people can voice their opinions. We are supposed to think that Norinco is 'getting feedback from the average soldier' while press about these matters appears to be very restricted and 'offending articles' are taken down/censored. Years ago I spoke to someone who worked for American intelligence. He said 'the problem for the Soviets is that Americans speak too much, 5 people 5 opinions. It wasn't hard for them to get information, it was hard to figure out what information was actually correct. He then went on to talk about how information was very retentive in the CCCP/USSR, that photocopiers were guarded with guns, partly to prevent leaks of information and partly to prevent dissidents from publishing their own newspapers. As a result Soviet officers and other decision makers often didn't know really what was going on and the system was overly centralized and top-down. A key issue IMO is how much initiative is given is given to the soldiers on the ground/at the front and the idea that a unit comes with 'political commissars' boggles my mind.
With a larger case capacity and the potential for better ballistic coefficient id say chinas 5.8 rifle likely is more effective than the standard 62 grn 556 xm855a1 Now thats just in theory. Depending on powder and the bullet design it may not live up to its claims but theres a reason the military has experimented with 6mm arc and other larger cartridges… 556 is pretty anemic from 14.5 barrels out past 400 yards
@@raiderscreed8999 That role was destabilizing the middle east so millions of Islamic migrants would flood christian countries... I'd say it did the job 100%
chinese have some issues with the propellant used in 5.8mm cartridges so they usually requires longer barrial length to be effective and might not perform well in terms of the ballistic coefficient. however, pretty much all chinese sources cited the great penetration and high KE on standard 64gr rounds that far exceeds m855a1, not to mention the heavier 77gr
I was lucky to shoot the the new 191 while I was in China, the recoil is about the same as my CZ Bren1, accuracy is fairly good, but I only got 100 meter for the furthest target. Trigger pull force is about the same as my DDMK18. The gun doesn't look shining tho, since a lot of wearing. I would say it is not a commercial fancy firearm, but I think it will get the job done.
@@noop9klol what is he propaganda for? Chinese new rifle? Last time I remember, it was Hk, Noveske, and KAC who wants to sell their Gucci gun all over the world.
Very unlikely the keyholed targets are indicative of the rifles accuracy. I agree with you. if it keyholed at 15 meters you wouldn’t be able to hit paper at 100 meters, and it might not fly 800 meters.
After following you for years, i've learned how you decide your video title. For US and its allies "something is better than you know" and enemy of US and its allies "something is worst than you think".
glad im not the only one thinking of that, and the top comments usually went like "unbiased opinion" "wow accurate details". Simple explanation is he gets paid to do these
US $17k vs China $2k per grunt isn’t an apples to apples comparison because the US gear is sold for profit with the full complement of marketing and sales. The China gear isn’t exported, has one customer and is made for internal use.
Finally someone found something wrong with this video, if Chinese stupid to t designing WITHOUT CAD , then why develop into the worst enemy of the United States, I even saw the colorless video quoted in the video, bro, now 2023, a country that can launch a space station is not so stupid
Right? It kinda reminds me on how near impossible it would be to equip and train the entire US military with this new bitch rifle from Sig. I mean, more time spent in achieving new technology levels than in actual combat and logistic practicality.
Given the design (the carrying handle was not bolted but actually one single part with the receiver) this isn't possible nor practical, there is also a standing rule that the weapons must not be destroyed deliberately (of which sawing the handle off would be) In the end they probably decided they wanted to do a complete clean sheet design with much better refinement after all these years
According to the information I got 1. The reason why PLA has not equipped a large number of body armor and Kevlar helmets for a long time is that the inventory status is shorter than the shelf life of steel, which is related to the low threat of large-scale war in the United States. 2. The biggest improvement in replacing old rifles with new rifles is the abandonment of bullpup rifles and replaceable parts, making them more versatile and precise. 3. In the past, the PLA did not have a military rank system, but the soldier committee could directly participate in the discussion of tactical plans and military democracy. I do not think the abolition of the military rank system was a failure, nor was it a failure in Vietnam. Some units in Vietnam performed poorly precisely because they did not adhere to military democracy. 4. "Southern Weekend" can be seen as the CIA's agent in China. It is a right-wing newspaper, and every editor and reporter is an American spy.
My good friend was in the Army back in the 90's. Stationed in Fort Polk, he got out right as the LAN Warrior System was starting to be field tested. But, it was too heavy, too complex. Used a Lead Acid battery, and you don't want that getting shot. And it was overly complicated, which is why it was pulled. I think China may have the same problems. Also extreme's in temperature and very bad on electronics.
At this stage it can becomes difficult to talk about a copy I guess. The process of integrating user feedback is used by the US military, ok, yet many civilian industries across the globe are designing their product using this approach. So effectively, they just understood what works best, and they’ll keep doing so if they’re smart enough to give their most clever guys the degree of freedom they need. These small but solid progresses should be friendly reminders to westerners to stay ahead of the game.
Isn't it weird that Americans call themselves the west when they actually live easy of China ,do you think the Chinese secretly call us Americans Easterners , because if they were ever invaded by American it would technically be from an eastern country
You have to ask yourself what the "feedback" was really like. I remember telling a full bird that a piece of field equipment that we were trialing was junk with an extra word tacked on. I have a feeling that the rank and file are not so quick to say anything bad.
@@jonathanmichaelsmith9012 Exactly, most Asians work off of 'face' culture...that _is not_ conducive to productive (or frank) conversations. Frankly, I take _anything_ published in 'official' Chinese media with a truck-load of salt.
We've got two major armed forces (China and France) now transitioning from bullpups to more traditional rifles. I wonder what that says about bullpups in general.
It's question of military doctrine Bullpups are harder to train on so they are harder to use effectively, as small arms weren't really seen as an important thing from the 70s onwards we've seen nations adopt bullpups such as the PRC, France, Austria or Australia, bullpups are good for motorized infantry but they're not very good at anything that isn't being compact af
@@cosaqueexiste9647 The extra 3 inches off the gun length hardly provide any space benefits too. There was no point in needing to have wiggle room for guns while inside an IFV because 99% of the time you want to get the f*ck out of the IFV as soon as you arrive to the battlefield. Anyone staying in there longer than they need to is just asking to be blown up.
@@cosaqueexiste9647 it doesn't really make sense why Australia chose a bullpup rifle as their main rifle since most engagements Australians are prepared for are long range, i guess it was just a product of the time back in the late '80s where Australia had to replace our old Vietnam war-era FALs or m16A1s with the M4 or the AUG. I wonder what they would have chosen now if they ever replace the AUG but that doesn't seem likely anytime soon
7:00 How does higher bullet weight correlate with worse range? Shouldn't it be the opposite due to the fact that a heavier round will overcome air reistance better and have a higher ballistic coefficient? The 6.5mm Grendel round is also heavier and slower than the 5.56mm round but its effective range is significantly longer thanks to its great ballistic coefficient.
@@sergeig685 Not at long range. Being lighter and faster both cause the bullet to slow down quicker, since there is less mass to overcome drag and more speed to create drag. Lighter bullets also get affected by wind more. These reasons are why snipers tend to use heavier loadings like the 7.62x51mm M118 long range cartridge or the 5.8x42mm DBP88.
@@hawkstable8889 What is long range? This is not a sniper or even a marksman rifle, and neither is this a sniper round. Assault rifles are used out to 400m (but more like 50-200 really), where a lighter round still has enough punch while providing better accuracy
@@sergeig685 Yes, but in this case the bullet is heavier but still has enough velocity to the point that the difference in trajectory is negiligible compared to something like 5.56 or other similar rounds anyway. Even something like 7.62x39mm is alright up to about 300 meters in that respect.
The reason for abolishing ranks was not because of capitalism but to deter military coups that could come from overly popular military generals. It didn't mean however that there were no commanding officers. This system mirrored the experience of the revolutionary army where there were only unit commanders and commissaries but no real ranks. The commander and commissary, as well as their deputies made the unit command. Any commander could lead any unit as long as they showed leadership skills.
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I want an American 5.8MM.
With American ingenuity and civilian industry.
I'd love an American 5.8mm Sig Spear LT.
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You mean Republic of China?
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4:53 “Military spending has increased by 60% that’s more than double if my maths checks out” Average Infantryman trying to do basic math moment.
I can't tell if he was making a joke or not.
2022 - 1.45 trillion yuan (US$230 billion) and 2023 - 1.55 trillion yuan (US$224 billion). How he get the 60% increase?
@@XDSDDLord I don't think he was.
@@weixingyang898 i think he meant from 2014 to 2023
If not a joke, and I don't think it was, maybe he was confusing the application of % reductions and % increases? A 60% reduction means something is less than half the original (lets say you start with 100 it takes you to 40) but a 60% increase is only a 6 x 10th increase (100 to 160). This asymmetric way % changes affect a number is a bit confusing. Both are the same absolute changes (60) but one halves while the other doesn't double. You would need a 100% or more increase to get a doubling. For instance to go from 40 to 100 (to reverse the 60% decrease) would be a 150% increase, which would also take you from 100 to 250.
It is always amazing to me how militaries will spend so much money, while ignoring basic equipment for their infantry.
Expensive systems like aircrafts and ships are already controlled by extremely expensive personell, and the level of technology can determine if they will be war winners (like the US air force) or almost totally useless (like the Russian air force).
But what truly makes infantry "good" is much harder to improve through money. Motivation, military culture, cooperation, individual skill... Equipment can improve infantry as well (including improve their morale), but it's much lower on the list.
The US did the same thing for a long time. I was infantry starting back in 1999 and we were still using iron sights, flak vests, our SAWs were the ones with faulty rails making them as reliable as a distracted cat, and our primary antitank system was the AT-4 with some dragons from the 70's. Just before going to Iraq we finally got Javelins which proved VERY useful and we did have plenty of radios and NVG's thankfully.
When T&P said that China had two radios per a company my inner grunt screamed in horror. The lack of NVG's are bad but at least you can fight most of the time, the lack of radios affects you all the time and it is far worse than not being able to see as far.
Because it doesn't matter that much, a grunt after all is a grunt. You need better intelligence and high tech weapon systems. The US is used to fighting guerrilla warfare where if you play the guerrilla's game, which we always do, it doesn't matter what technological advantage you have.
China is in the same strategic situation as the US. Any theoretical war they could get involved in would be 80% a Navy and Air Force war. Elite well equipped infantry aren't going to change that. Militaries need infantry but the degree to which infantry matter will vary quite a bit between nations.
@jeffk464 a grunt without the ability to see, shoot, or communicate is useless. At night if I have good NVG's and my opposition doesn't I will slaughter their forces. If you don't understand why try playing paintball with a blindfold.
The lack of radios means that either the entire force needs to move in one massive lump or no one will know what is going on. Infantry needs to maneuver in small groups that can immediately adjust to new situations to be effective.
As for the rifle, in CQB there's really not much difference but the introduction of the ACOG to Afghanistan proved to be a huge force multiplier. We got so many head shots at longer ranges that our forces were initially accused of executing the Taliban grunts. The rifle and the round doesn't really matter that much, it's the accessories that matter.
5:00 50% increase is not doubling. A 100% increase is doubling.
omfg i thought i was the only one
It depends, there us ambiguity is it a 50% increase from original (×1.5) or was it an increase of 50% of final (doubling).
Generally we mean the former, in business classes they call it markup by sale or markup by price and sometimes people will use one or the other to make their point seem bigger.
@@AbstractAproach no 😂 putting (doubling) doesn’t just make it so.
@AbstractAproach your username fits your comment also I like how it's misspelled
@@patbak235 i have the correct spelling on an email i cant find. But this is the size of a twitter handle as well, so idk consistency. Anyways its basic math. Like I siad usually people mean a 50% markup from initial cost but occasionally you'll see it used the other way based on final. Especially in like expo facto cases like "50% of my check was overtime" they earned 100% more than regular time, but still true statement. (I dont remember the original context but this is very badic stuff, like easier than knowing 50% faster work ==> job done in ⅓ less time.)
Mao claiming the existence of rank in a military is anti-revolutionary is the most Mao thing I've heard, and completely on brand for him.
It has been an issue in communist societies dating back to the establishment of the soviet army. The reason they ended up with political commissars was to solve a dispute between those who wanted to use ex-Russian imperial army officers to get the new force up and running quickly, and those who wanted to start from scratch with a more marxist structure. The compromise was to place commissars in the units to keep an eye on the officers and men, to make sure that they weren't doing or saying anything too counter-revolutionary.
Mao was an ignorant peasant which was a bad start for the Chinese people. He did the majority of his thinking with his little head while "hiding" from the Japanese and letting the Nationalists do ALL the fighting. He often narc'd out Natls information to the Japanese forces.
Mao, upon seeing sparrows eating grain, ordered 1 billion Chinese to kill every bird they encountered to prevent food shortages from birds eating all their grain. They did just that. Then the insect population exploded because no birds were eating them, the bugs ate all their crops, and the Chinese starved so hard that tens of millions of them died.
Mao, upon deciding China needed to prove it was relevant to the world by exporting steel, ordered 1 billion Chinese to drop what they were doing and produce steel. So they melted down every piece of metal they could get their hands on, pots, pans, farming tools, etc. and melted them down. They chopped down entire forests to fuel the furnaces, and some of the more zealous Chinese tore apart their own houses to provide more fuel for the furnaces. In the end, they produced massive quantities of worthless pig iron, and now they had nothing to cook in, no tools to work with, and other issues.
Basically, just about every brilliant idea Mao came up with was devastatingly stupid. And that doesn't get into rumors about his lavish lifestyle while tens of millions of Chinese starved to death, or having entire troupes of underage girls perform Chinese opera and ballet for him in the nude.
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And then the PLA found out it doesn't work, so they went back with ranks.
9:03 The US army had a very similar "no rank" structure right after the US Revolution, where officers of militia units were elected by the unit members. While there was technically a "rank" difference, the elected nature of the position meant US military discipline was lacking until the institution of a proper officer corps.
Cappy's comment about that and the Vietnam war was a revelation. Whilst I'm sure that the PLA will be noting the failure of Russia's lack of an NCO structure, I think they are wedded by ideology to maintaining a political commissar structure to the detriment of sound decision making.
@@farhorizons3901 Worse, the Chinese military structure punishes innovation and improvisation, while the U.S. military structure usually rewards it....but only sometimes. We saw limitations in Afghanistan with the U.S. military at war within itself. Read the book "American Spartan" . That account of a Special Forces Major (Jim Gant) is typical also of Human Terrain Systems civilians working for DoD and attached to SF units in Afghanistan. The gung-ho trigger pullers often destroyed MONTHS of painstaking "hearts and minds" work that had won over Taliban leaders.
The U.S. military leadership, NOT politicians lost the war in Afghanistan because like the American civilian population you have a sharp divide between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives are the dominant political ideology in the military. Their idea of hearts and minds campaigns was a 5.56mm double tap to the heart and the brain.
@@wigonits probably the opposite now lmao. The Chiefs are warning about the outcomes of war against bigger adversaries while Congress is constantly escalating global conflicts.
@@wigon you lied bud
Source on lacking discipline?
The 3D-model at 2:44 is that of an airsoft gun. The loose part is the gearbox, the part in the middle is a gearbox with the handle attached, much like most M4 airsoft replicas do. So they'll probably release an airsoft model of it :)
Yes, thats a airsoft
Good eye, I didnt catch it but I diid think it was weeird the PLA manufacturer was releasing animated internals for a new domestic military weapon. Good post.
yes. thats a V2 gearbox.
youre doing gods work bro
A prototype has already been shown
Fun fact about the keyhole, I have a nice T97 (Canada) with lots of upgrades that made it a pretty sweet platform. But I was also getting keyholes from about the same range (25,-100m) as well. Left me confused that maybe the gunshmith that threaded the barrel might have damage de crown in some way. But I finally got rid of the T97 and this video finally sheds light on this keyhole topic. It's a norinco stuff I guess
China manufactures 2 billion bullets annually and exports 1 billion bullets to the United States. Could the video host ask the American infantry if using Chinese bullets would create a key-shaped bullet hole at a distance of 25 meters?
Unless the rounds were way out of spec then a rifle without flaws should shoot them straight and stabilized, but if the twist rate is wrong for the caliber, or smoothbore, they will tumble through the air, especially since spritzer bullets have the center of gravity in the rear of the bullet.
@fenneka1410 The problem wouldn't be with the round, it would be with the rifling.
@@fenneka1410 Well that's insane and reckless, we need to ban the import of ammo from hostile powers.
You can get keyholing when the weight of the bullet is too heavy for the amount of spin the rifling can induce over the barrel length. It is over come by reducing the bullet weight, having a longer barrel, or having a higher twist rate on the barrel. A barrel that's had a lot of wear or perhaps has the groves filled with gunk (needs cleaning) might also have issues with inducing enough spin.
The reason for those bullets to be key-holing at such short distances is because they were training in a shoot-house with no proper backstop behind the targets, and concrete walls, so they switched their ammo from the usual metallic projectiles to riot-control rubber bullets to avoid ricochets. Since those bullets don't engage the rifling properly, they're only useful at short distances, because they keyhole badly.
It's weird people are still parroting the idea that this was a rifle issue rather than an ammunition issue. I'm by no means pro-China but like, seriously dude, at least be truthful when you're hating on the PLA.
Rubber rounds are not shaped the same, or this cope might be believable.
@@nobodynoone2500I don't think you realized, but you just proved the point of the OP.
@@im_flatNORINCO has been producing pretty decent firearms for decades. They can definitely make a gun shoot straight
@@desserted5446 Chinese small arms are generally really fucking good, yeah. Friend has a Norinco SKS. Still jealous.
If some QBZ-191s make their way to the US, I seriously hope Ian McCollum and Brandon Herrera get their hands on one for review purposes, and Garand Thumb for review and entertaining LARP purposes.
Which will, IMO, only be half of the story...even _IF_ the export version is in the 'issue' caliber, good luck on getting ammo.
Odds are that the export model will be in 5.56mm NATO, which means you'll be just guessing when it comes to range & accuracy with the PLA ammo.
i doubt that cause last i checked we got a import ban on all Chinese firearms
@@justinbiller6683not all, we still get some Chinese made shotguns being imported into the US. We just have a specific ban on Norinco
Herrera could just reverse-engineer the qbz-191 and recreate it, I mean he has the resources.
Even the Canadian import of type-95 (type-97 in 5.56) doesn’t have the PLA issued 5.8 so it will be hard to really know the real performance of the cartridge.
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more like "special needs" ;)
I'm just glad the dog lived this time... I don't think i could have handled that again.
I was drawn in by your title, I thought you would go into detail about the mechanical design and construction of the qbz191 and compare and conjecture with the construction of classic firearms such as ar and ak. And what do I see? There is nothing objective about it.
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Because he’s just another IPSO for 50 hryvnas
You should watch the other video about the gun the
@@GymnopedieNo3 His main task is to propagandise the “weakness” of China, but not to constructively explain what’s good and what’s bad in construction of certain vehicle/item he talks about. China is strong, but not in attack. For US it would be impossible to penetrate China’s defensives, but at the same time for China it would be impossible to commit huge offensive against US and its allies.
@@BecarefulIliveinyourwallssuggesting it would be impossible to penetrate chinas defense is absurd. The only country genuinely impenetrable is the United States, because of not only the exuberant amount of money dedicated to national defense, but the geographical location itself. No country has ever existed that has the same benefits the U.S. has when regarding strategic importance.
The one issue that you would have to worry about for mass producing this new rifle is loose tolerances which can lead to a lot of heartache for regular grunts when they get the bad draw when handed their issued rifle. The keyholing could just be a production issue of early variants that could be fixed but China is a different beast and comparing western approaches to problem solving to China is like getting a fish to climb a tree. We have already witnessed a similar issue with Russia, with the west quietly being nervous and falling for the propaganda, expecting Russian soldiers equipped with decked out AK-12's while covering a T-14 Armata.
The real problem with cutting through the grease of propaganda when it comes to small arms is that the proof is in the pudding when only you can actually view a complete strip down of the rifle and get into the guts of the weapon so it is very hard to confirm or deny if the weapon lives up to expectations. Norinco has improved over the last twenty years but that reputation boost is reliant on the consumer market, not really the military market since China has not been in any proper wars to field test Norinco's goodies. It would be like taking the glowing review of a Canadian hunter with his Norinco rifle being applied to a peer-to-peer battle. Apples and oranges. Love the vids Cappy
Still a billion Chinese
They could use sticks and still win by weight of numbers
The keyholing issue was a result of usinf rubber bullets,its debunked by channel called "cabbage"
This is true, but you should remember that Russia and China are *very* different countries and cultures. As much as we rag on China for being cheap, the fact is that quality assurance is impossible to maintain when managing production on the scale China handles things. A majority of Chinese products are actually extremely reliable, but our brains only recognize and blame Chinese cheapness when we see something fail or a localized dip in quality. For example, there were several modern infrastructure projects recently that were almost all successful with no issue in China, however one key province's construction workers failed to apply mix correctly and thus we saw crumbling roads seemingly made out of 'chalk'.
This is the same for almost everything. And a key reason why China makes such boisterous and high-tech designs stolen from reliable sources like the U.S. because even if 25% of your new stealth jets are poorly made, you still made enough so that the other 75% are going to be good. This is the opposite for what Russia has done and continues to do which is rely on pride and stubbornness in seemingly ever aspect of their society even down to production. When a Russian factory fails to meet quotas, instead of expanding the amount of factories or workers, Russian politicians and officers will simply say "Well then just make it work!" and as a result either the factory comes up with a cheap way to get the quota done (even if things come out crappy and rushed) or they just fail outright.
To really get a sense of what I'm talking about here, look at the production of the MiG-9. It was literally designed to show power projection post WW2 and even though it was designed to barely be flyable or even fire its crappy engine-mounted guns (yep, right through the engine), factory workers were simply given quotas and had to practically make most of them out of wood. Similarly look up Russian fire-and-forget missiles, they still don't work and are sold everywhere because Ivan can't imagine a world where just motivation alone won't carry him to the finish line.
@@tomhenry897 history disproves that, with the ammount of times they got clowned on by foreign armies.
@@tomhenry897 in that billion there's millions that would go against ccp.
I think what wasn't mentioned about the 800m range is that the variant of the QBZ-191 that could hit that distance is the DMR version, with more power and reinforced barrel, instead of the conventional rifle version
And China has 5.8mm sniper rifle and special precision round. It means special units DMR can reach over 800m.
800 meters is nothing. You can do that with a rack grade ar15 with a good optic and 77gr round. Every modern "assault rifle" is capable of this the bottleneck is the soldier and the optic
@@rodiculous9464 lol, I never once saw an "ar15" at any time during my service. Quit talking out your arse 👍
@@rodiculous9464 I mean yes but that also doesn't mean anything, the barrel twist rate and overall design choices for the AR-15 were centered around accuracy. Military assault rifles have to be able to penetrate body armour and because of that are usually less accurate than a civilian or hunting rifle.
That being said I wouldn't take their word for accuracy statistics on an unproven secretive new rifle.
AR - 15 >*
When you guys hear of the word AR - 15, what do it mostly associated with?
Correction: If they named something Type 20, it means the year it was certified for service. For example, Type 56 (Chinese AK-47) was certified in 1956, and Type 95 was certified in 1995.
So why 191?
@@lostaudio 2191, cmon its obvious
@@ennassingletooth359 silly me!
@@lostaudio 2019-1
@@lostaudio its a new naming scheme... 19 for year and the number that follows denotes a variant. e.g. 192 is the short barrel version.
I've seen the blueprints for the rifle and there's a lot of clever features. My favorite feature is that it has numerous gas ports in the barrel at differing distances. This means the gas regulator allows you to select not only for energy when changing position, but dwell time too. People who design something this clever aren't going to make a barrel that keyholes.
China bot?
@@aelitastones3110 No, look at the diagrams. Norinco has been making arms and exporting them for ever and are nothing like cheap goods you get at walmart.
@@aelitastones3110 From what I have gathered from other commenters there are 2 primary reason these propoganda rifles could be keyholing. 1) rubber bullets during training, prevents accidents or 2) these are training rifles and not the actual equipment. Even the us has training rifles that keyhole because they don't change out worn out barrels. Why they would put that in the propo video, well, no one said the media was smart. Even US media doesn't know the first thing about firearms, why would the CCP media.
@@aelitastones3110CIA bot?
Sorry, I disagree. I own several norinco SKS's, but I see no reason to switch from the proven 7.62x39 nor 5.45x39. I'd further add that multiple gas regulators is quite a terrible idea unless you plan to put silencers on the rifle in which case you'd only need 2. I don't see the keyhole to be a problem, they probably used rubber/simunition ammo instead of regular ammo in a shoot house to avoid ricochets. Rubber or more likely simunition rounds probably don't grab onto the grove of the rifling as well causing it to keyhole. On the bright side of the new rifle is that china will offload their old SKS/AK rifles to other countries, in which case there will be a surplus of new rifles in the US markets.
Crazy how a mid tier ar15 w/ attachments costs more than the entire issued gear of a Chinese soldier😂
Granted that image has existed for almost a decade so there’s inflation, but yeah, not a good look and really emphasizes their older quantity over quality approach. I do find it interesting that the image used seems to depict some sort of body armor system (tho it’s most likely just a flak vest)
Weapons are always made domestically so the cost of manufacturing boils down to resources and labor. Few kg of steel cost effectively nothing and labor is 10x cheaper in China. So in the end, the ammound of man-hours needed to make equipment for one PLA soldier is comparable to US situation
@@alexmin4752 even at the rates of china they are very under equipped they were the last people to get anything new air force rocket force and navy alway was first then even in the army the tanks and other vechiles/heavy equipment got first pick. Fact of the matter is china is a government and military of political power they aren’t run by general who are there for skilled they are their for their ability to politic. As such they have over emphasized their ability on a global stage, it’s similar to what the soviets did they would show of a few wonder weapons tell the west this was standard kit for soldiers the west believes it and made even better weapons standard kit.
I believe the US Military pays less than $500 for an M4A1. Add an ACOG and a PEQ15, and you're pushing $3000.
Combine that with a $3000 PVS 14 and a plate carrier with 2 plates and a helmet , and a basic infantryman is already up to $8000, before any other additional equipment.
Of course, that gives him abilities leaps ahead of any non western army.
@@theimmortal4718 yup. And don't forget the side plates, and IFAK
During PLA's no ranking period, it is very interesting that the only way to tell between an officer and soldier is the number of pockets on their uniforms. Officers have 4 pockets, and soldiers only have 2 with no lower pockets.
So they still had ranks when they were gaining nukes, rockets, and hundreds of millions of people under Mao despite what the "official experts" say about the country to this day.
If you didn't have ranks, why did they have officers???
@@benholroyd5221 because they still need someone to lead the rest of the soldier. It quite similar to the early US approach after the revolutionary war.
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8:57 The key holing issue could also be them using extremely old blown out barrels for CQB training rather than burning up new ones. I shot a m4 in Las Vegas that was doing the exact same thing at under 25 yards due to the amount of sustained full auto on the same barrel.
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That’s fair. Why bother wasting a new barrel during short range marksmanship.
But why would they use it in a propaganda film? I've shot some worn-out shit, never had visible tumbling on paper.
@@johneato That's what I'm saying, I was using an M16 that was probably older than I was in Bootcamp and that thing was almost laser accurate once sited in. Seems like an excuse the CCP is putting out to mask the fact they're using cheaply made weapon systems that wont be effective against armored adversaries.
@@johneato because propaganda isn't aimed at people looking for faults. the volume of it also drowns out any detractors.
16:12 lol at the fella on a segway
Mounting com controls onto the forward grip (or anywhere on the weapon) sounds absolutely awful. You need to basically pair a gun to a radio/helmet and every time you perform a maintenance or an inventory check you risk mismatching them. In addition, you will have to constantly check whether your gun is paired with your coms, which adds precious time to your combat-ready state. Imagine your base gets attacked and you realize you can't sound an alarm or call for backup, because you grabbed the wrong gun off the rack.
1,000% agree.
Pff. You act (or wish) like they would need to have all their coms on their guns just because they can press some buttons faster than you in this age of interconnectivity. You could grab the wrong radio or helmet in your base attack scenario.
@@tritium1998 what do you mean by "wrong radio"?
@@Psykomancer The "wrong radio" in your bs assumption that it has to be paired with something else which you're now confused about.
@@tritium1998 I'm confused because you're not making sense. There is no such thing as "wrong radio", you always identify yourself if you're using com channels (which is what you'd be doing in an emergency situation). If you're using wireless controls, they have to be paired to your device, this isn't some fantasy scenario, it is how wireless tech works. Even with your edits, your comment is still nonsensical, so please take some time to think about it next time.
The Chinese 5.8 round is not terrible. It would be easiest compared to a 77gr 5.56 loaded super hot through an 18" barrel. It doesn't like short barrels though and oddly enough, benefits very little over 20" with the dats that I saw. In the comparison that I read, It beats both the 5.56 & 5.45 in muzzle velocity and energy in medium length or approx 16-18" barrels. I didn't see anything on twist etc, so take everything with a grain of salt.
You like to LARP much? A 16"-18" barrel is medium length? LOL You a Chicom Shill?
Not even super hot to be honest. Their 77gr offering, DBP88, is about 100fps faster than mk262. I load 77s hotter that matter (SW Match doesn't create pressure issues).
I use 77s almost exclusively, but I don't quite understand why the Chinese use a steel core since they aren't effective against modern body armor, make the bullet longer and more difficult to stabilize which may be why there were keyhole targets and generally degrades accuracy since the penetrator adds complexity to the design.
@@no-sway3709 it increases the effective range by increasing the ballistic coefficient while not increasing the weight of the round. Same reason we use the M855
It lets massed fire be more effective at range because the round stays lethal and not being able to hit anything doesn't matter when it's a hundred guys firing full auto at the general area, someone will hit something.
@SilverStar Heggisist a 77gr SMK is far more effective than the ss109 if BC is the concern. Furthermore, a longer bullet means less usable case capacity which leaves velocity on the table.
Zero precision shooters use steel core bullets and none of the new military rounds use them, so there's a snowflake's chance in hell that they overlooked the supposed BC benefit.
The SS109 was designed to defeat soft body armor and that's pretty much it. There's no longer a purpose as anyone with armor is rocking plates.
@@no-sway3709 the M855 wasn't made for precision shooters. It was made specifically for the M249 SAW to push it's effective range out. On a machine gun designed to plaster a area with bullets, precision isn't a concern. But effect at range is.
The M855 isn't designed to out do the 77 grain. It's designed to have a bit better BC then a M193 55 grain.
The Chinese likely are mixing a number of different stats together making it seem like they've one super bullet, when instead they're quoting the best stats from each type.
I wouldn't be surprised if their accuracy stats are from a FMJBT and their range stats are from the steel core. Because it's china.
OK, the reason that PLA was not widely equipped with ballistic plates is that the ballistic plates and vests have an expiration date because of the kevlar and other ballistic materials. The plates and vests are only distributed to front-line soldiers who currently have military missions like border control, United Nations peacekeeping force, special ops, and armed police (different from SWAT and normal police). This is the most cost-effective way of utilizing the equipment.
a military shouldn’t be using soft plates anyways, because most soft plates are terrible against rifles and the ones that do stop rifles have awful back deformation.
if they’re still using kevlar instead of steel or ceramic, that is NOT a good thing
@@subatomic_sam511They are using hard plates but like the Russians they have a Kevlar backer instead of PE.
@@yws2890I thought Russians were using cloth
"total lack of body armor in Russian Army" - at the start of the war there were videos of 1 Russian soldiers that had cardboard instead of body armor. The rest of the soldiers in that captured group (4-5) were not shown. So they had body armors.
Since then no other video like that emerged. Up to 500 soldiers captured, no cardboard shown ever again.
Yeah, this is an reliable channel, just like like CNN
Plates don't expire... so?
8:19 Haha, thanks for this MGS3 reference! That cutscene always bothered me for _that_ reason.
This Is Type 19 From Codm game
Jesus Christ the acting on Cappy is impeccable. I would watch a whole season of that.
Don’t use the lords name in vain 💯
@@georgehilario3544 Jesus!
@@georgehilario3544 flying spaghetti monster is lord
Jesus fence-hopping Christ 🙄
Suck him up already 🙄
Since no country is likely to invade China in a ground war, China has no need to equip ALL of their soldiers well, nor to provide first rate training for ALL of their soldiers. They just need to properly equip and train enough of their soldiers for an expeditionary force. For example, their potential invasion of Taiwan might involve, at most, about 200,000 soldiers. Their adventures in African countries involve a few 10s of thousands of soldiers. Their PLAN soldiers (marines) serving on their island bases and on ships will probably have a higher priority in receiving the best equipment and training.
Don't think they would declare war or invade anyone to be honest. They just rely on their foreign investments both inward and outward way too much. I mean they're already buying up loads of properties in the west coast that the US government is thinking about banning property sales to Chinese investors.
Don't forget their takeover of South America
Even with body armour 200k soldiers would be wiped out by pre sighted Taiwanese artillery/ mortars on landing.
The nation of Taiwan has had a lot of time to prepare and has far better kit than ukraine had at the start of the war
@@Mwwwwwwwwe I think they will blitz kreig the island to oblivion before anyone lands.
@Sumba they could try...but no doubt the us has supplied taiwan with patriots/thaads/ cwiz.. ect so they would need to launch everything they got simultaneously to overwhelm Taiwanese AA
...also the US would intervene ...china knows they are done if they fight the US
More likely whenever taiwan crosses ANOTHER CCP 'red line ' china will punnish them by shooting missiles into Taiwan's seas🤦♂️
The SIG Spear is the response to China’s body armor and rifle
God willing....
Overmatch I hope.
@@justiron2999 ballistics wise, I think you are right
Vic Diaz. I don't think the sig spear will ever be used by the US military against the Chinese. Maybe the sig spear will be sold to the Taiwan government but that's it. Lmao
@@Jjftbb most likely the Taiwan government will be using the SIG spear against the Chinese military. There's no chance America will fight the Chinese. Do you want to debate why? I'm looking to debate with someone smart. I'm kinda bored right now.
這位兄弟看著 191 的 圖片和玩具模型就能做出如此深刻的評價，真是令人佩服不已。
FYI, tumbeling projectiles could be intentional. There is practice ammo for small shooting ranges with ridges that ruin aerodynamics, causing the bullets to tumble and fall within short range. Stops it from flying past the range and into urban areas.
Yes, evidence is, if it is tumbling, the hitting shaps will not be always the same position.
This is China's supersonic wind tunnel research result.
Since hollowpoint bullet is forbidden, stopping power can only be achieved via this bullet technology.
He mentioned that, and said he personally thinks that way as well
It's ricochet / bounce. There are normal entry holes as well.
Wow could of sworn I just heard him say that!
@@meanmarine24you can tell which way a bullet went through paper pretty easily
If there was an Oscar for best TH-cam commercial, you my friend would have just won it 👍
That's the first commercial since the dawn of TH-cam that I haven't skipped through. Goat Guns should up your fee
The only other ads I watch are ones from Ryan George. It's basically an extra 2 min sketch at the end
Luck him up already 🙄
The key holing in a lot of the training videos is mainly due to the fact that they use rubber ammo for training. This was stated by a TH-cam channel that is ran a current Chinese swat team member. I could find the channel but I can’t remember the name. You used some of his footage in the intro.
Which channel?
@@awwee34 aniermos vu
remember when USA banned norinco from import because they were making copies of weapons that were just as good as the original but half the price?
Thats long time ago. Zhongguo back in business again!
lol no they got busted trying to sell full auto AKs and RPGS to American organized crime/gang groups in the 90s. Don’t get me wrong the Norinco/Polytech products of the day were good guns for the money but they put out some absolute turds too
No, I thought it was because Norinco was selling directly to the gangs
@@willblack7353 Yup, they were trying to sell them explosives too
And on today's episode of "Spot the 50cent Army lies"!: 😂
4:21 who else would love to see modern armies adopting capes/coats for their soldiers?
Does the US Army not issue ponchos anymore?
@Sierra Kilo 😢
@Sierra Kilo *especially* for paratroopers!
Anti-Thermal technology 😎
preferably ones less poorly photoshopped in too
2:44 that is a CAD file for an airsoft gun.
V3 gearbox in the middle, V2 gearbox to the right.
I look forward to replicas soon.
Facts haha didnt even notice that
LOL
@@finnrombaut5962 11:30
Dead obvious
How else will the reporter hold that hunk of junk
Just realized that their grips have a PTT button which might mean each soldier is now also receiving comms and is able to talk without taking a hand off the weapon
That's actually incredibly smart
@@comradesillyotter1537 Probably not smart at all- They'll train around it and rely on it but in the field it will break right away and almost no one will be able to ever reliably use it.
@Drunkduck probably?? Ya see the enemy is very stupid cuz they'll /probably/ never train without it. Probably
Just because you have a PTT doesn't mean you have a radio.
If you work with comms in the military you'll see why this is a terrible idea. You'll get kiddos completely unable to process what's in front of them while holding down the PTT button. You don't want your average 19 year old having a PTT, especially not a squad of them with it at their finger tips. Plus, I really doubt this will be reliable, it's just going to be another battery operated thing to go wrong when it's cold and rainy. I think every average infantrymen would much rather have a workable weapon mounted flashlight, which I didn't see mounted on all of these rifles.
3:55 that dude is shooting way too close to his friend's head
The PLA is a huge army. It takes a long time and a lot of money to change standard equipment. Look at how long it took the US Army to change to the M-9 pistol and now the M-17/18?
Which was a big waste of money
@@BaconSlayer69 Eh, now that they aren't being treated as a complete afterthought, having a modern, modular pistol makes sense.
Especially because the new rifle doesn't look especially fun to use indoors
And there's little incentive in huge rearmament programme, until gear and doctrine are ready.
@Harambe the berettas in service were pretty abused and it was time for new pistol considerations. The sigs are optic ready and relatively cheap. Personally, I've shot both and hate the Beretta, but there will be plenty that disagree with me.
Missteps with the qbzs used in HK handover. Slows effectiveness
"And Russia's program RATNIK"
*Proceeds to show some comrade spraying and praying with ancient gear*
Yup that's future soldier alright
That tickled me
Who are those guys? If those vests are not body armor, I think 1980s Soviet soldier and Chinese commandos fighting in Vietnam might had better equipment than them, at least they both had steel helmet and the Soviets would had body armor.
Meanwhile Rusia is fighting a proxy war with all of the west and still winning, without using nuclear power.
Cappy that sponsored segment was a work of art.
P.S grats on the 1Mil
Them lil yella fellers are kinda funny
Great episode with a bit of humor and loads of pertinent information. Keep up the good work.
Even the John Wick parody ad of GOAT Guns was entertaining.
Abolishing ranks in the chinese army was useful AF during the korean war when you took chinese prisonners... because they knew every little detail of the entire army's plans lol...
that sounds like an absolute strategic disaster for any army 😂
couldn’t have hurt much since PVA pushed US army back to 38th parallel from Yalu river.
Korean war was a decade before the cultural revolution. Back then PLA still had ranks. The reason why UN forces got very little intel from the Chinese pow could be that most of the average soliders in Korean war were defected KMT troops in the civil war. They were meant to be expandables.
OPSEC is Capitalist nonsense, Tovarish.
@@xsu-is7vq after about 180,000 Kia
3:55 when the soldier shoots his lmg so close to the dudes head 💀
No worries, they turned FF off for this.
Dude I looked sooo long for this comment. How the hell did so few see how crazy this was?!!
60% does not equal x2, more like x1.6
I visited Nepal back in March and was able to tour their largest hydroelectric power plant. The guards at the powerplant had this rifle. It was the smaller carbine version, with no optic or forward grip. I assume that must have been the export version.
Damnn bro welcome
China does not export this rifle yet
You probably saw the QBZ-03 which is identical to it and originally based off that variant.
It's like the AR platform and AK platform had a baby, that keyholes.
It's basically an updated AR-18 with an AK-style rock-'n'-lock mag.
The only thing ak about it is the outside silhouette and the bolt. It has a ar15 buffer tube system and a short stroke piston
If you fire off that surplus Norinco round make sure you clean your gun after cause more than likely it used a corrosive primer.
It definitely would be corrosive, unless otherwise stated.
0:01 you can see how gun is distorted , the barrel is bended down
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Why do i feel like the average American gun owner has a better rifle than an infantryman in the largest army in the world. lol
No longer the largest
@@jelly.212 Really doesnt matter little guy. lol
I can’t wait to see an average Chinese soldier putting on all the gear plus armor.
When the soldiers demoing equipment have gear that doesn't have a spec of dirt or UV fade on it, you're in for vaporware.
That was something I noticed.
It's really difficult to tell real deal training from edgy try-hard potemkin LARPing. China (and many Eastern nations) want to look clean and "sharp", to the point that you never see the real deal training.
This is unlike the curated videos we see of BUDS or boot camp from the US; where you get to see at least a little bit of the ugly and harsh reality of training for combat. I've seen dozens of videos of US soldiers trudging through the mud, some so disoriented from all the hard training that they are barely coherent; some vomit, others cry. Yet, for Eastern nations such a thing is unheard of because of "face" culture. As an example, when NK took arrested that college student, the interrogators were so perplexed as to how much of a "chicken" the guy was. He's a scared 20-something in a foreign country being accused of being a spy and these people, whose job it is to understand and "break" humans, couldn't fathom that he refused to try to put on a brave face and showed his emotions. They would expect even a NK child to glare defiantly at US interrogators and tell them nothing. It's that cultural difference that holds back nations like Russia and China.
It's like how in the US military, if you push yourself to the point of injury, people will pull you aside and tell you to slow down and that you'll make it. In China or Russia during training, you'll be punished for showing weakness and even forced to perform in-spite of the injury. They might even berate you for daring to bring it up. This extends to most of their branches as well. It makes for tough soldiers but tough soldiers don't win wars; healthy, logical, and methodical soldiers do.
Weakness isn't bad, because it tells you how far you have to go before you are effective. By not accepting weakness, these nations never learn their flaws and shortcomings until there are a pile of their own dead being sent back to them in boxes. Just look at Ukraine.
I expect Taiwan to be the next one that will really drive that point home.
@@PenTheMighty To some extent yes, however, in United States that has gone to far. You say that weakens isn't bad. That statement is wrong. If weakness was not bad, then no physical requirements would exist, and any person that can barley walk would be a perfect soldier, that is not true. Weakness is bad. Low performance is bad.
@@Go-ah-oold There's a spectrum to everything.
Humans are vulnerable in a number of ways.
Working around weakness to make things work is good. Improvement, working within your limits. Being reasonable.
Pretending it was never there and making Ivan march on a broken leg isn't helping much at all though.
@@Go-ah-oold He never said weakness wasn't bad
@@AR15andGOD You did not say it, true, but you wrote it "Weakness isn't bad" is a direct quote from your text.
I suspect the keyholes in the targets was a result of the ammo being used. It looked like indoor/shoot house training. Maybe they were firing different rounds.
no, I am chinese ,and heard before, shoot mode matter maybe. pull trigger for 1 time ,has 3 mode, single bullet,,,, 2 bullets, unlimited bullets.. I think that's 2 or 3 bullets in a row then get that hole
I honestly getting really sick of however, every single video I see mentioning China is always negative. No one shoots at 800 yards anyway, don’t complain about stupid details. Almost all gun fights happen within a couple hundred yards and individual accuracy is hardly important when you’ve got an infantry squad blasting away at you.
I don’t know if it’s just that everyone on TH-cam insists on being negative about everything, or that all westerners insist on being negative about China. I don’t get it.
Could it be because the ChiComs are sworn enemies of the US? We trade with them because most of USA is greedy and stupid , facilitated by Carter’s traitorous policies.
Because we are taught and fed a bunch of biased, disinformation by the Western media to instill fear of any com block countries like Russia or China. Its been like this since the Cold War.
Think about politics and controlled medias man. This is normal and this vid and channel is not like decent weapon test TH-camrs like grand thumb
Your analysis is always well thought out and compelling
Also wifi emitting scopes sounds like a terrible idea.
agreed. that shit is going to be so easy to exploit. triangulate positions, mess with their aiming, hide heat signatures, drain the batterys on the sights. if it has a mic listen in on conversations.
I really like videos like this that discuss infantryman equipment like this or Future Warrior, especially that you point out accessories. 👍
I guess the same applies for the Indian army too. The lack of equipment and standardization even for active troops that face insurgency ordeals on a monthly basis is just sad.
I'm starting to get the feeling Cappy at this point is only making videos to make ads for Goat Guns. Seriously needs to
start making shows out of these ads.
Keep in mind that China releases videos of their stuff several years after they already started deploying it, only this year we started seeing closeups of the liaoning, the J20b with the WS15 already has images out there being tested yet they haven't formally introduced it even though there's reports it's already being produced
that means the rifle is probably already more widespread than what they make it seem
@@theguy8412 not true.. the QBZ95 was not issued to all chainese troop, even tho its been used for decades.... same for this qbz 191, only goes to elite front line troops.. chaina is always a 跟屁虫 , always a follower of the greatest military on earth, praying they'll be second best ahead of the rest...
Considering historical example, very unlikely. How long has Russia promote T-14 Armata and how much has it seen in combat?
Promotion ans propaganda doesn't translate to reality
@@evankurniawan1311 Russia and China have polar opposite doctrines and resources... you can't really compare them.
@@jchantw modern Chinese military can only be counted since about 2005-2010, the big buildup has been happening since then, just now that they are starting to catch up in most fields are they dedicating more resources towards troops, just because back in the day with a smaller economy, less risk of war and when they were technologically behind they couldn't do it doesn't mean they can't right now.
Hilariously, a Canadian company designed and built upper and lower guards to replace the plastic on the export (5.56) variant of the T95/T97. The two components replace the handle with a rail, allow for AR grips, and provides an AR style safety. These improvements turn the rifle intoone that's actually useful and comfortable, except for its weight... It absolutely blows my mind that the Chinese version of the rifle lacked such obvious features from the get go.
Ok
The idea then was to have a cheap rifle that could be mass produced to equip a massive conscript army. Once you understand that, it's easy to explain a lot of the inferiorities in the QBZ95's design.
A Canadian company did that? I wonder if Trudeau is aware…
@@KingOhmni Who cares. And I doubt the libertards care either. They'll attempt to ban the receiver making the aftermarket parts irrelevant. That said, the T97 was on then removed the list of firearms to be banned.
@@KingOhmniComrade Trudeau offered to help.
Ranks issue - same happened in Soviet Union, officers were fired and disallowed because "officers are imperialist" (that was major slogan of Lenin era), and had a large protest among soldiers when Stalin introduced officership back in ~1942
If that's true then why was zhukov given permission to take command to fight the kwangtang japanese in 1938 onwards?
@@jason200912 they had political commissars and what not, they still had higher leadership otherwise who would command any army?
You can destroy things with big gun and missile, but you need infantry to hold everything you have gained
It should be noted that the type 95 was always a stopgap. Being, essentially, a rushed into production cheap bullpup conversion of the previous rifle meant to be ready in time for photo ops (because bullpup = futuristic) - you can imagine the many ways it sucked from that description alone.
Bullpup can be good, but if designed correctly... But seems like most don't...
A "stop gap" since the 90's ...?
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 they had no reason for a new rifle
@@chatter4427 Huh...? Apparently they have.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 they do now, but no conflicts since the 80s till today
Average Chinese infantry man- “amewican em-fo vewy nice”
The old 95 was not designed to be able to use any attachments, there is a metal sight in the railing and it can be removed for attachments but it isn’t a bad design, just old design
China's GDP in 2019 was about 40 time of that in 1991 when type 95 was designed! Because rifles are made in number of millions so keeping cost as low as possible is number one priority in the old days. Today performance instead of cost becomes the No.1 priority.
Bullpups can be extremely accurate,95 have similar design to Hellion which can easily shoot targets in 1000 yards!!
It's honestly a pretty decent gun. Give it to a good gunsmith, and I bet they can mod it into something super great.
The tactical role of qbz95 is kinda like the famas. Handy and minimalistic bullpup design, (practically) no provision for attachments, and has a long barrel bipod version as the saw. Interestingly both nations also switched to a carbine with short piston + buffer tube around 2020
999k subscribers, almost a milly cappy!
I haven't scrolled...maybe someone already mentioned that a 60% increase isn't "more than double". It's more than half-again...a 3/5ths increase. 😂
Hi cappy, you mentioned that the bullet tumble scene, there are key factors to address here:
1st : Maybe the rifling is not properly designed, which not enough spin will cause the bullet to tumble.
2nd: The gunpowder used in training is lesser, causing the bullet travel from supersonic to subsonic causes tumbling. Which I think, the less gunpowder they used to reduce training costs (but minimal effect)?
Actually none it's plastic rounds
Not reduce the training cost. Hiding the real data of the weapons on TV is traditionally in PLA. Even all the troops No, name and detailed info will be hided even on the TV. Chinese military manufacting system is quite different than the USA or other countries. So they usually don't "show off" a lot on TV. A lot of Chinese military fans hate this a lot. LOL
Congrats on 1 million subs Cappy
this man logic
Western stuff : "it better than you think"
other stuff : " is worser than you think"
I didn't get that message. But I note one advantage of the West is the ability for people to speak up, such that basic soldiers can criticize the weapons, people can voice their opinions. We are supposed to think that Norinco is 'getting feedback from the average soldier' while press about these matters appears to be very restricted and 'offending articles' are taken down/censored.
Years ago I spoke to someone who worked for American intelligence. He said 'the problem for the Soviets is that Americans speak too much, 5 people 5 opinions. It wasn't hard for them to get information, it was hard to figure out what information was actually correct. He then went on to talk about how information was very retentive in the CCCP/USSR, that photocopiers were guarded with guns, partly to prevent leaks of information and partly to prevent dissidents from publishing their own newspapers. As a result Soviet officers and other decision makers often didn't know really what was going on and the system was overly centralized and top-down.
A key issue IMO is how much initiative is given is given to the soldiers on the ground/at the front and the idea that a unit comes with 'political commissars' boggles my mind.
Pretty much every US gun TH-camr
He's full of propaganda so sponsored by the DOD.
Well yeah since the Western wouldn’t bluffing themselves like Russia and China
With a larger case capacity and the potential for better ballistic coefficient id say chinas 5.8 rifle likely is more effective than the standard 62 grn 556 xm855a1
Now thats just in theory. Depending on powder and the bullet design it may not live up to its claims but theres a reason the military has experimented with 6mm arc and other larger cartridges… 556 is pretty anemic from 14.5 barrels out past 400 yards
against body armor yes but not the role it played in the middle east the past couple decades
@@raiderscreed8999 That role was destabilizing the middle east so millions of Islamic migrants would flood christian countries... I'd say it did the job 100%
chinese have some issues with the propellant used in 5.8mm cartridges so they usually requires longer barrial length to be effective and might not perform well in terms of the ballistic coefficient. however, pretty much all chinese sources cited the great penetration and high KE on standard 64gr rounds that far exceeds m855a1, not to mention the heavier 77gr
That's why we are going away from the 556mm and to the 6.8mm
why is Quality > Quantity “worse than you think?”
isn’t this click bait?
Yes, but it's informative so I'll tolerate it.
I was lucky to shoot the the new 191 while I was in China, the recoil is about the same as my CZ Bren1, accuracy is fairly good, but I only got 100 meter for the furthest target. Trigger pull force is about the same as my DDMK18. The gun doesn't look shining tho, since a lot of wearing. I would say it is not a commercial fancy firearm, but I think it will get the job done.
Totally not CCP propaganda
@@noop9kpropaganda or not, only thing matter is if its true
@@noop9klol what is he propaganda for? Chinese new rifle? Last time I remember, it was Hk, Noveske, and KAC who wants to sell their Gucci gun all over the world.
不吹你能死？你拿嘴用的？其次191最远只能射100？你这尬比那来的？191不是部队你那里可以玩？
@@yjw3734别急，，，他说的是他只打了一百米的目标，完整句是“精度很好，但我只打了一百米的目标”
Very unlikely the keyholed targets are indicative of the rifles accuracy. I agree with you. if it keyholed at 15 meters you wouldn’t be able to hit paper at 100 meters, and it might not fly 800 meters.
Wish you won't bring this type of thinking to the war zone.
@@jxmai7687 he's got a point
They were using rubber training rounds
Almost at 1 million subs! Congrats Cappy!
And to task&purpose as whole
After following you for years, i've learned how you decide your video title. For US and its allies "something is better than you know" and enemy of US and its allies "something is worst than you think".
glad im not the only one thinking of that, and the top comments usually went like "unbiased opinion" "wow accurate details". Simple explanation is he gets paid to do these
west😂😂😂😂😂
I mean are we not used to this already? This is just serpenza for military fans
But it really works well for more followers in YT. 😂 Not too much people want to know the fact, just dream that everything from USA is the best. 😂
Wow an American making American favored videos? Who coulda guessed?
US $17k vs China $2k per grunt isn’t an apples to apples comparison because the US gear is sold for profit with the full complement of marketing and sales. The China gear isn’t exported, has one customer and is made for internal use.
If China was designing WITHOUT digital design tools (CAD and simulation) I'd be very surprised. Its been common practice for decades.
Finally someone found something wrong with this video, if Chinese stupid to t designing WITHOUT CAD , then why develop into the worst enemy of the United States, I even saw the colorless video quoted in the video, bro, now 2023, a country that can launch a space station is not so stupid
You know, they could've modified the QBZ-95 simply by removing the carry handle. Or, putting optics akin to the G-36...
Right? It kinda reminds me on how near impossible it would be to equip and train the entire US military with this new bitch rifle from Sig. I mean, more time spent in achieving new technology levels than in actual combat and logistic practicality.
@@paulofelipebbraga9634 they can do a few improvements to the M16 still... like removing the gas impingement system!
Why would you remove the best feature of the AR-15 family?
@@ke6ziu That would make it an HK 416, which is an inferior design. The M16 gas system is largely misunderstood bit is superior to external pistons.
Given the design (the carrying handle was not bolted but actually one single part with the receiver) this isn't possible nor practical, there is also a standing rule that the weapons must not be destroyed deliberately (of which sawing the handle off would be)
In the end they probably decided they wanted to do a complete clean sheet design with much better refinement after all these years
According to the information I got
1. The reason why PLA has not equipped a large number of body armor and Kevlar helmets for a long time is that the inventory status is shorter than the shelf life of steel, which is related to the low threat of large-scale war in the United States.
2. The biggest improvement in replacing old rifles with new rifles is the abandonment of bullpup rifles and replaceable parts, making them more versatile and precise.
3. In the past, the PLA did not have a military rank system, but the soldier committee could directly participate in the discussion of tactical plans and military democracy. I do not think the abolition of the military rank system was a failure, nor was it a failure in Vietnam. Some units in Vietnam performed poorly precisely because they did not adhere to military democracy.
4. "Southern Weekend" can be seen as the CIA's agent in China. It is a right-wing newspaper, and every editor and reporter is an American spy.
Literally the first thing I noticed in the PR footage was the keyholed rounds and QCB range.
Rubber bullet
These are training weapons whose barrels have literally been shot out because all you really need them for in training is how to clear a jam
My good friend was in the Army back in the 90's. Stationed in Fort Polk, he got out right as the LAN Warrior System was starting to be field tested. But, it was too heavy, too complex. Used a Lead Acid battery, and you don't want that getting shot. And it was overly complicated, which is why it was pulled. I think China may have the same problems. Also extreme's in temperature and very bad on electronics.
So they're still at the "land warrior/landshark" phase of modernization.... They have alot of mistakes to make.
Battery tech has improved a lot since the 90's. Like, a lot. Lead acid batteries are the bottom of the totem pole for portability nowadays.
At this stage it can becomes difficult to talk about a copy I guess. The process of integrating user feedback is used by the US military, ok, yet many civilian industries across the globe are designing their product using this approach. So effectively, they just understood what works best, and they’ll keep doing so if they’re smart enough to give their most clever guys the degree of freedom they need. These small but solid progresses should be friendly reminders to westerners to stay ahead of the game.
Isn't it weird that Americans call themselves the west when they actually live easy of China ,do you think the Chinese secretly call us Americans Easterners , because if they were ever invaded by American it would technically be from an eastern country
you dont understand. what matter is the people who use it not weapon itself.
You have to ask yourself what the "feedback" was really like. I remember telling a full bird that a piece of field equipment that we were trialing was junk with an extra word tacked on. I have a feeling that the rank and file are not so quick to say anything bad.
US vs. Chinese culture/mentality.
@@jonathanmichaelsmith9012 Exactly, most Asians work off of 'face' culture...that _is not_ conducive to productive (or frank) conversations.
Frankly, I take _anything_ published in 'official' Chinese media with a truck-load of salt.
We've got two major armed forces (China and France) now transitioning from bullpups to more traditional rifles. I wonder what that says about bullpups in general.
It's question of military doctrine
Bullpups are harder to train on so they are harder to use effectively, as small arms weren't really seen as an important thing from the 70s onwards we've seen nations adopt bullpups such as the PRC, France, Austria or Australia, bullpups are good for motorized infantry but they're not very good at anything that isn't being compact af
@@cosaqueexiste9647 The extra 3 inches off the gun length hardly provide any space benefits too. There was no point in needing to have wiggle room for guns while inside an IFV because 99% of the time you want to get the f*ck out of the IFV as soon as you arrive to the battlefield. Anyone staying in there longer than they need to is just asking to be blown up.
It just means that bullpups are forever a futuristic weapon i.e. never a good idea today.
@@cosaqueexiste9647 it doesn't really make sense why Australia chose a bullpup rifle as their main rifle since most engagements Australians are prepared for are long range, i guess it was just a product of the time back in the late '80s where Australia had to replace our old Vietnam war-era FALs or m16A1s with the M4 or the AUG. I wonder what they would have chosen now if they ever replace the AUG but that doesn't seem likely anytime soon
@@susfringgaming4018 back in the day they decided mainly between the AUG and the M16. they didnt have many M16s in service
Doing what works regardless of ideology IS my ideology.
"The average infrantryman problem" yeah not every country wants to spend half of their gdp on the army
1:06 Wow Keyholing under 25 yards?! Incredible!!!
Who would have known such wonders are possible, right?
G36 plastic training ammo does keyhole too
~a German soldier
Been curious about the 5.8x42 cartridge for a while. On paper it looks interesting!
Lol
At 2:45 the right one is a model of an airsoft gearbox, isn't it? I mean not just the shape, the front looks like a nozzle too
7:00 How does higher bullet weight correlate with worse range? Shouldn't it be the opposite due to the fact that a heavier round will overcome air reistance better and have a higher ballistic coefficient? The 6.5mm Grendel round is also heavier and slower than the 5.56mm round but its effective range is significantly longer thanks to its great ballistic coefficient.
I was also wondering this. It doesn't make any sense.
lighter bullets have flatter trajectories, hence more accuracy
@@sergeig685 Not at long range. Being lighter and faster both cause the bullet to slow down quicker, since there is less mass to overcome drag and more speed to create drag. Lighter bullets also get affected by wind more. These reasons are why snipers tend to use heavier loadings like the 7.62x51mm M118 long range cartridge or the 5.8x42mm DBP88.
@@hawkstable8889 What is long range? This is not a sniper or even a marksman rifle, and neither is this a sniper round. Assault rifles are used out to 400m (but more like 50-200 really), where a lighter round still has enough punch while providing better accuracy
@@sergeig685 Yes, but in this case the bullet is heavier but still has enough velocity to the point that the difference in trajectory is negiligible compared to something like 5.56 or other similar rounds anyway. Even something like 7.62x39mm is alright up to about 300 meters in that respect.
If you think this rifle has an accuracy problem now, just wait until the barrel gets hot and worn with use.
The reason for abolishing ranks was not because of capitalism but to deter military coups that could come from overly popular military generals.
It didn't mean however that there were no commanding officers. This system mirrored the experience of the revolutionary army where there were only unit commanders and commissaries but no real ranks. The commander and commissary, as well as their deputies made the unit command. Any commander could lead any unit as long as they showed leadership skills.
Basically, what happened in Soviet Russia during civil war period.
Chinese made wifi-enabled optics? If it's anything like all other Chinese made wifi-enabled stuff, it'll never work.