I just loved that you said something very important and crucial at the ending: Tidus is not Shuyin's representation in Dream Zanarkand, but rather the descendant os his representation. Many people who I talk to about this topic always seems to get this part wrong...
Personally I think you are wrong about this. I think Tidus is the hero Shuyin COULD have been if he choose another path. Tidus isn't really Shuyin at all. Just an idea. A dream. He never really existed. Shuyin did. Tidus is a moment in time snatched and kept in stasis. Tidus is the version of Shuyin if he became a hero. Maybe the Fayth even recongized these qualities and specifically choose him and let him go to Spira through Sin with the help of Auron. (Auron could only do this because of course by this time he was dead and unsent. In fact you could even debate that the entire reason they let Jecht go first was to give Tidus the motivation since there is no real explanation on how he got to Spira) IMO Shuyin still played Blitzball. He still had a father similar to Jecht. Its just that in Shuyins reality it was a time of war. Shuyin fell in love with a summoner. Very similar to Tidus because like Yuna she was sent to die at the front lines and he couldn't stand the idea and because of his love for her he went down a dark path. But hey to each their own. Still a great video.
@@TheNin-Jedi I always thought Tidus was the Fayth's memory of Shuyin. Dream Zanardand isn't an exact duplicate of the real Z, just as how a number of Fayth remembered it. Jecht lived 1000 years ago, he was famous so that's why in Dream Z he is almost identical to his former self. But Tidus was younger and less well known by the people; the fayth might not even have known or remembered Tidus's real name, so Tidus is a composite of the memories of Shuyin, the fayth only got him about half-right
Yes there is a lot on Shuyins story. That’s what I don’t like about the story is that is so good but we don’t know much about most of the characters, which leaves us with wanting to find out more about them
@@f2worldsX Yeah, I wanted so much se ear/see more about him and Lenne, they're are so important to the story but we see so little of them. People wanted a game about Braska's journey, I want one about Shuyin and Lenne xD
So towards the end of the video, I had an idea. Would you guys be interested in seeing character comparison videos between similar characters? (Analyzing their character development, views of life, etc)
Oh I love the part right at the end. I say it all the time. It's like the most iconic thing from my most beloved series for me. Hearing someone else say it as well is so much fun.
great video! really enjoyed it! some similar videos about the history of FF characters and lore can be a little overly long and hard to follow, so enjoy that this was short and to the point!
I always thought Tidus was Shuyin but the dream version of him. I'm a little confused as to why one of Tidus's ancestors would be the representation of Shuyin and not just Tidus himself.
Great video man. I was just thinking of who the dude was in FFX-2 that looked exactly like Tidus. Playing this game for some time but never got to beat it and found out the lore behind this character. Honestly makes me want to get back into the remastered version 😃
I would say it is, as long as you prevent yourself from making the comparisons with FFX. As a game of its own, it is a really good game. I really enjoy its gameplay elements
What i believe yes. And its strange that theres a few holes that can be filled in to. Yuna may be the reincarnation of lenne !!! But yuna is real not a dream. Maybe tidus succeeded saving yuna while shuyin failed. Crazy right so yuna helped shuyin let go and rest. Who knows what there planning with ffx3. Also who was in control of sin before jecht and sin accidently touched jecht by mistake ????
Yes to the first question. Not exactly to the second question. Tidus is a descendent of a dream replica based on Shuyin. Not related, but definitely not coincidence either. Merely inspired.
Yea he lost me at 4:46 with all the dream stuff. It’s been a long time since I played this game and even longer since the original. Guess ima have to look for vids on the original and come back
Hes not a descendant, that would mean they are related. Tidus' Zanarkand was an active summoning by the main boss of FFX. The dream summoned Zanakarkand was based off the memories of all the citizens who sacrificed themselves to create that dream Zanarkand after losing the war to Bevelle and the machina, that where Tidus came from. Shuyin just lived in the time of the real Zanarkand 1,000 years before FFX takes ppace so those citizens just have a memory of a person who looked like him. Tidus is related to him just by looks, that's all. But story wise its like Tidus' story is the opposite of Shuyins. Like Yin and Yang. Shuyin failed to save his summoner gf. Tidus, the dream version created from just a memory, was able to make his same motivation come true. Tidus was just a dream turned into reality because of the main bosses summoning , Tidus was more of a fayth or an aeon than he was related to Shuyin. They simply just looked alike and happened to both love a summoner girl. If anything the fayth of dream Zanarkand used Shuyins memory to just craft someone in his imagine cause they felt like Shuyins memory of trying to save Zanarkand and his summoner gf from dying were what they were "dreaming" for to end Sin, Yu Yevon. And allow the fayth to rest after 1,000 years of nonstop summoning the dream Zanarkand @lazer8776
He just explained in this video. Shuyin comes from the real Zanarkand that was destroyed 1000 years ago. The Dream Zanarkand that was a replica of the real Zanarkand but not actually real, hence “Dream” Zanarkand had a replica person based on Shuyin but of course not directly related to Shuyin, just merely inspired by the real Shuyin. Anyway that replica of Shuyin had descedents that leads to Tidus. Tidus is not actually Shuyin or even a replica of Shuyin, he is a descendent of a replica. Making him vaguely based on Shuyin except for mere looks which was probably intentional by the Fayths and Yevon who created Dream Zanarkand and all the people who live in it, including Tidus.
None of my characters look this bad ok that is not my look so quit trying to say that this is my secret story this is for show and it’s no secret that everyone wants in on my real secrets
Tidus is not related to Shuyin in any shape or form other than the fact that they kinda look alike, in the same way Lenne is not related to Yuna in any way. The whole theme of Final Fantasy X and X-2 is to lay the past to rest and move on. In X-2 specifically it is about Yuna putting the burdens of the past that linger in her mind to rest. The fact that Shuyin looks like Tidus is meant to symbolize that Yuna has not healed from her grief of losing Tidus and no matter how much she wants to believe he is alive and Shuyin was him, it just is not the case and she comes to term with that as the game progresses as well as coming to terms that Tidus is a part of her past and she must move on. Many elements in the story deal with leaving the past behind. Such as Paine coming to the realization that Nooj did not betray Barali, Gippel and Her but was trying to protect them so she comes to forgive him and put the past behind her. Rikku forgiving Brother for causing her irrational trauma of Lightning in the past and even overcoming it. To summarise. No, Shuyin is not who Tidus in OG Zanarkand is, or related to him in any way, he is simply designed as such to tell the story to us the player that Yuna is battling an inner struggle of laying what happened in her past to rest. In a way, healing Shuyins heart and allowing him his last moment with Lenne so that they can say what was never on the day so their souls could both be at peace was closure for her as well for herself to realize that she should let Tidus rest. This is why as much as i hate that its canon, that i truly despise the Tidus coming back to life ending of X-2 as it throws all of that compelling and beautiful storytelling throughout the game down the proverbial shitter by having the Bahamut Fayth epicly troll her the 3 years she was in mourning by saying "oh i could just bring him back to life lol" 🙄
Tidus relation to Shuyin is more complicated than that, they may not literally related but to make it simpler you can say shuyin is tidus anscestor real copy, so they some sort of related
I never understood why the proper way to pronounce it is tee-dus out of ti dus I will always pronounce it tiedus myself might as well call him tittie's
No it's not. If your reference for that pronounciation is merely Wakka in KH1 then you need to do more research because that is not the only time it has been voiced and it was pronounced Tie-das. So get off your high horse.
Why you getting mad over a fictional character name pronounce? 🤔 At the end of the day, you know what character is being talked about so its just wasted energy on your part for being upset.
I just loved that you said something very important and crucial at the ending: Tidus is not Shuyin's representation in Dream Zanarkand, but rather the descendant os his representation. Many people who I talk to about this topic always seems to get this part wrong...
Yes this is an often overlooked point. Something I will definitely cover in a future video
Personally I think you are wrong about this. I think Tidus is the hero Shuyin COULD have been if he choose another path. Tidus isn't really Shuyin at all. Just an idea. A dream. He never really existed. Shuyin did. Tidus is a moment in time snatched and kept in stasis. Tidus is the version of Shuyin if he became a hero. Maybe the Fayth even recongized these qualities and specifically choose him and let him go to Spira through Sin with the help of Auron. (Auron could only do this because of course by this time he was dead and unsent. In fact you could even debate that the entire reason they let Jecht go first was to give Tidus the motivation since there is no real explanation on how he got to Spira) IMO Shuyin still played Blitzball. He still had a father similar to Jecht. Its just that in Shuyins reality it was a time of war. Shuyin fell in love with a summoner. Very similar to Tidus because like Yuna she was sent to die at the front lines and he couldn't stand the idea and because of his love for her he went down a dark path. But hey to each their own. Still a great video.
@@TheNin-Jedi I always thought Tidus was the Fayth's memory of Shuyin. Dream Zanardand isn't an exact duplicate of the real Z, just as how a number of Fayth remembered it. Jecht lived 1000 years ago, he was famous so that's why in Dream Z he is almost identical to his former self. But Tidus was younger and less well known by the people; the fayth might not even have known or remembered Tidus's real name, so Tidus is a composite of the memories of Shuyin, the fayth only got him about half-right
@@dyev7096 Exactly. More or less.
@@dyev7096 when did they say Jecht was a real person in Zanarkand?
Love Shuyin as a character, so misunderstood. Would love to dive into his backstory a lot more than what we were shown
Yes there is a lot on Shuyins story. That’s what I don’t like about the story is that is so good but we don’t know much about most of the characters, which leaves us with wanting to find out more about them
@@f2worldsX Yeah, I wanted so much se ear/see more about him and Lenne, they're are so important to the story but we see so little of them. People wanted a game about Braska's journey, I want one about Shuyin and Lenne xD
Aww, I love Shuyin. He's very underrated.
the idea of Len and Shuyin reminds me a lot of FF8’s story, memories of past selves and such
So towards the end of the video, I had an idea. Would you guys be interested in seeing character comparison videos between similar characters? (Analyzing their character development, views of life, etc)
Absolutely yes!!!
Of course!
I would love that! Please do
which antagonist are you comparing shuyin to?
“And that, as they say, is that”
- Maechen
Oh I love the part right at the end. I say it all the time. It's like the most iconic thing from my most beloved series for me. Hearing someone else say it as well is so much fun.
Imagine if Tidus was similar to Shuyin in personality during ffx? How different that game would be
I wouldnt say the game would be too different. Maybe tidus becomes a "tsundere" kind of character lol
I would have loved to see vegnugun vs sin
That would be sick
great video! really enjoyed it! some similar videos about the history of FF characters and lore can be a little overly long and hard to follow, so enjoy that this was short and to the point!
I always thought Tidus was Shuyin but the dream version of him. I'm a little confused as to why one of Tidus's ancestors would be the representation of Shuyin and not just Tidus himself.
Great video man. I was just thinking of who the dude was in FFX-2 that looked exactly like Tidus. Playing this game for some time but never got to beat it and found out the lore behind this character. Honestly makes me want to get back into the remastered version 😃
they should have made his outfit asymmetrical like tidus would have looked cooler
great videos man i enjoy them very much so :)
Thank you. I’m glad you’re enjoying them
I must admit I never really paid much attention to X-2, it might be worth a replay?
I would say it is, as long as you prevent yourself from making the comparisons with FFX. As a game of its own, it is a really good game. I really enjoy its gameplay elements
Because many men unfortunately are misogynists they can’t stand main characters to be women so they look down on games with feminine characters..
It's not. I couldn't get past my love of the first game. Hopefully you won't have that issue, because it's an interesting game. I just hated it.
Is Shuyin Sora?? Or the master of masters
They should make a PlayStation 5 version of this game
Tidus was made up of diff parts of shuyin via the pyreflies and probs some of his own hence why he was so nice.
I know much about this game. I played this. And won. I’m glad They Can Rest now and Spira Is saved.
FFX definitely closed its story well
@@f2worldsX indeed
Sooo, is shuyin the one that was alive during the war between zanarkand and bevel thousand years ago? And was awaken as tidus in a dream ?
What i believe yes. And its strange that theres a few holes that can be filled in to. Yuna may be the reincarnation of lenne !!! But yuna is real not a dream. Maybe tidus succeeded saving yuna while shuyin failed. Crazy right so yuna helped shuyin let go and rest. Who knows what there planning with ffx3. Also who was in control of sin before jecht and sin accidently touched jecht by mistake ????
@@nicholasphilip7733 ffx3? 😂
@@sebasdurden9274 you do know they're considering ffx3 after ff7 remake and ff16 projects are done
@@dstar9016 I believe that was the case, but no news has been out, but there were people discussing about it..
Yes to the first question. Not exactly to the second question. Tidus is a descendent of a dream replica based on Shuyin. Not related, but definitely not coincidence either. Merely inspired.
Yea he lost me at 4:46 with all the dream stuff. It’s been a long time since I played this game and even longer since the original. Guess ima have to look for vids on the original and come back
He perfectly explained it. Shuyin had a dream replica conjured by the fayth that based on Shuyin. Tidus is a descendent of that replica.
Hes not a descendant, that would mean they are related. Tidus' Zanarkand was an active summoning by the main boss of FFX. The dream summoned Zanakarkand was based off the memories of all the citizens who sacrificed themselves to create that dream Zanarkand after losing the war to Bevelle and the machina, that where Tidus came from. Shuyin just lived in the time of the real Zanarkand 1,000 years before FFX takes ppace so those citizens just have a memory of a person who looked like him. Tidus is related to him just by looks, that's all. But story wise its like Tidus' story is the opposite of Shuyins. Like Yin and Yang. Shuyin failed to save his summoner gf. Tidus, the dream version created from just a memory, was able to make his same motivation come true. Tidus was just a dream turned into reality because of the main bosses summoning , Tidus was more of a fayth or an aeon than he was related to Shuyin. They simply just looked alike and happened to both love a summoner girl. If anything the fayth of dream Zanarkand used Shuyins memory to just craft someone in his imagine cause they felt like Shuyins memory of trying to save Zanarkand and his summoner gf from dying were what they were "dreaming" for to end Sin, Yu Yevon. And allow the fayth to rest after 1,000 years of nonstop summoning the dream Zanarkand @lazer8776
so how are tidus and shiyun connection i dont get it
He just explained in this video. Shuyin comes from the real Zanarkand that was destroyed 1000 years ago. The Dream Zanarkand that was a replica of the real Zanarkand but not actually real, hence “Dream” Zanarkand had a replica person based on Shuyin but of course not directly related to Shuyin, just merely inspired by the real Shuyin. Anyway that replica of Shuyin had descedents that leads to Tidus. Tidus is not actually Shuyin or even a replica of Shuyin, he is a descendent of a replica. Making him vaguely based on Shuyin except for mere looks which was probably intentional by the Fayths and Yevon who created Dream Zanarkand and all the people who live in it, including Tidus.
so tidus is shuyins ancestor?
No, he’s dream version descendent of a replica of Shuyin.
Shuyin is the true son of ject from the real zanarkand. Tidus is from the dream zanarkand. You can't just change the facts.
I disagree. Tidus is not a descendant of Shuyin. He is the fayth's memory of Shuyin, who was the real blitzball star of real Zanarkand.
Thank you I’ve always thought it was “Tiedus” not “Teedus”
Pain from naruto
None of my characters look this bad ok that is not my look so quit trying to say that this is my secret story this is for show and it’s no secret that everyone wants in on my real secrets
Tidus is not related to Shuyin in any shape or form other than the fact that they kinda look alike, in the same way Lenne is not related to Yuna in any way. The whole theme of Final Fantasy X and X-2 is to lay the past to rest and move on. In X-2 specifically it is about Yuna putting the burdens of the past that linger in her mind to rest. The fact that Shuyin looks like Tidus is meant to symbolize that Yuna has not healed from her grief of losing Tidus and no matter how much she wants to believe he is alive and Shuyin was him, it just is not the case and she comes to term with that as the game progresses as well as coming to terms that Tidus is a part of her past and she must move on. Many elements in the story deal with leaving the past behind. Such as Paine coming to the realization that Nooj did not betray Barali, Gippel and Her but was trying to protect them so she comes to forgive him and put the past behind her. Rikku forgiving Brother for causing her irrational trauma of Lightning in the past and even overcoming it. To summarise. No, Shuyin is not who Tidus in OG Zanarkand is, or related to him in any way, he is simply designed as such to tell the story to us the player that Yuna is battling an inner struggle of laying what happened in her past to rest. In a way, healing Shuyins heart and allowing him his last moment with Lenne so that they can say what was never on the day so their souls could both be at peace was closure for her as well for herself to realize that she should let Tidus rest. This is why as much as i hate that its canon, that i truly despise the Tidus coming back to life ending of X-2 as it throws all of that compelling and beautiful storytelling throughout the game down the proverbial shitter by having the Bahamut Fayth epicly troll her the 3 years she was in mourning by saying "oh i could just bring him back to life lol" 🙄
Tidus relation to Shuyin is more complicated than that, they may not literally related but to make it simpler you can say shuyin is tidus anscestor real copy, so they some sort of related
the vegnagun makes no sense to not use it against sin and was hidden
...grr for someone whose been doing the work on these lores, why the hell can't you pronounce their names correctly!? It's."Tee-das" and "May-chen"
I never understood why the proper way to pronounce it is tee-dus out of ti dus I will always pronounce it tiedus myself might as well call him tittie's
@@Kymewc it's because in an Okinawan dialect Tida means sun and Yuna means moon.
No it's not. If your reference for that pronounciation is merely Wakka in KH1 then you need to do more research because that is not the only time it has been voiced and it was pronounced Tie-das. So get off your high horse.
Why you getting mad over a fictional character name pronounce? 🤔
At the end of the day, you know what character is being talked about so its just wasted energy on your part for being upset.