Narcissism and ADHD
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- Main Chapters:
00:00 Intro - Narcissism and ADHD
00:11 Take home message
01:20 What are Personality Disorders?
08:09 What is Narcissistic Personality Disorder? (NPD)
15:36 Links Between Narcissism and ADHD
23:45 Misinterpreting ADHD as Narcissism
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Having ADHD in childhood increases the likelihood of developing Narcissistic Personality Disorder as an adult. Biological, psychological, and social forces all appear to be in play with this connection. Positive Illusory Bias, prevalent in many with childhood ADHD, appears to be a precursor for narcissism in adulthood. But there are also many instances when someone with "pure ADHD" has their behavior interpreted as narcissistic.
I'll examine ways to try to distinguish between the two conditions, as well as examining the current over diagnosing of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. "Narcissist" and "Malignant Narcissist" are trending on-line and in the real world, with people increasingly blaming problems on narcissistic parents or leaders. While this is undoubtedly true in some circumstances, the diagnosis of narcissism often seems misapplied and inaccurate.
References:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Are Psychodynamic Theories and the Alternative DSM-5 Model for Personality Disorders Finally Going to Meet?
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The newest form of mommy shaming: The 'narcissistic mother'
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Sex- and Subtype-Related Differences of Personality Disorders (Axis II) and Personality Traits in Persistent ADHD
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Childhood ADHD and the Emergence of Personality Disorders in Adolescence: A Prospective Follow-up Study
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Psychodynamic models about the origins, internal processing and treatment of ADHD
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Prevalence and treatment of narcissistic personality disorder in the community: a systematic review
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Full Chapter list:
00:00 Intro - Narcissism and ADHD
00:11 Take home message
01:20 What are Personality Disorders?
02:19 Potential Factors and Origins of Personality Disorders
05:39 Personality Disorders in the DSM5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
08:09 What is Narcissistic Personality Disorder? (NPD)
12:11 Behaviors and Motivations with NPD
13:57 Gaslighting
15:36 Links Between Narcissism and ADHD
15:57 ADHD and Positive Illusory Bias
18:21 Narcissism and Positive Illusory Bias
20:05 Inattentive ADHD Traits and Narcissism
22:09 Hyperactive ADHD Traits and Narcissism
23:45 Misinterpreting ADHD as Narcissism
26:40 Outro
Streamed live July 26, 2023
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As many NPD experts have said, in a case like Trump's where there are decades of footage, other public behaviours (e.g. his use of law suits) and much more it's pretty safe for them to call him a textbook case even if they haven't been in a position to interview him extensively in private.
I was surprised to hear you say that NPD is overdiagnosed in the US. It's my general impression that NPD is _underdiagnosed_ because the people who seek treatment are mostly those who have been harmed by a parent or partner who likely has NPD, not that person themselves. It'd be great if you could elaborate on this in next week's stream.
Also, I'd add that just because someone apologises it doesn't mean they can't have NPD. I know you didn't say this, but I feel it's worth emphasising since I've seen many people fail to recognise NPD in a close relative because that person knows that it serves their interests to pretend to respect some norms and standards much of the time. I.e. not everyone is as obvious as Trump, yet these people (sometimes called covert narcissists or something along these lines - not sure if this is the best term available) can cause as much damage to the people close to them behind the scenes. At the same time, we all clearly must be very careful when it comes to "diagnosing" our relatives, and be aware that much, probably most, of the information about narcissism available online is highly inaccurate and feeds into vicious circles rather than help people take steps to remove themselves from such dynamics, including by analysing their own role in maintaining them.
I say it is overdiagnosed in the last few years referring to the common misuse of the term in wider society, including numerous on-line "experts" who proclaim that all your problems are because of all of the narcissists around you. I agree that many, if not the majority of individuals who genuinely fulfill diagnostic criteria fail to seek treatment, so in that sense there is underdiagnosis.
@ Ah, yes, like that it makes total sense, thank you!
Well... I think a lot of ADHD people develop some narcissistic tendency...
Not necessarily a full-blown clinically narcissistic personality disorder... but...
I personally have a lot of narcissistic tendency, a feeling of superiority without any valid accomplishment for example...
I think it's a protective mechanism that occur naturally...
Yeah because when you get diagnosed, you are told you have a disease, and you are told you aren't performing as well as the other children in your class, your classmates /rivals become enemies who are now picking on you. If its not them, its your parents, your teachers, your principle, school bullies, etc... Basically calling you inferior, and you feel like a second class citizen.
@@hammersaw3135 probably at least as much negative feedback/criticism comes even without having a diagnosis.
But most people have narcissistic tendencies and it's perfectly normal. Just like neurotypical people have traits that people with ADHD have on the level of a disorder. Also, people who are raised by narcissists might have narcissistic traits without having NPD. My mother is most probably a covert narcissist with ADHD (can't officially confirm as she refuses to seek help), and I've spent my adult years learning how normal people function and communicate with each other. She has built a whole parallel universe in her head where her delusions about herself hide her deep-rooted shame and inferiority. She dismisses everything that doesn't fit in her delusions, such as her kids' emotions, physical needs, safety etc.
For example, I wasn't allowed to cry as a child, as it didn't fit into her delusion that her kid might be sad. Also, I wasn't allowed to scream when my father was beating me because neighbours might hear, and it would taint her "reputation". Her reputation was a delusion, she didn't have any. As you can imagine, I didn't learn much about normal human connections and emotions as a child. As a young adult, I was extremely dismissive of the emotions of other people, and I'm sure it looked like I was a massive narcissist. But it wasn't because I had no empathy or I didn't care, but because I had no experience with it. So, I had to learn it in therapy. Still learning.
When I was a young adult I discovered that other people don't only talk about themselves. My imagination about getting to know other people was to shoot them with fun facts about myself and when they didn't respond with the same, I thought they didn't want to get to know me. 😅 But this is how my mother communicates. She's not able to form deep relationships with anybody, as it would require being vulnerable. Instead, she just brags about herself or talks about random crap like her neighbours or somebody she saw on a bus. Or describes what she saw today either on the street or on TV. And I did it, too, until I learnt to communicate on a deeper level.
I can see how someone could mistake my ADHD for narcissism. When you get stuck in your own head and you kind of get off on a tangent and you're not doing the things that other people think you should be doing. Especially when it involves tasks that you really don't enjoy doing or things you don't want to do because ADHD makes them seem intolerable. Then you go off and do the things that you do enjoy doing and want to do yeah that can probably come off as narcissistic. The big difference is that later on I'll feel bad about not doing those things I didn't want to do and beat myself up about it. Where the narcissistic person could care less about disappointing other people
Very well said Sir.& living it ! 100% n it's Crazy!
Ppl like you but truth is they just don't know how to handle you n it's not there fault it's just LIFE gotta luv it ❤
Yes but a lot of ADHD people are narcissistic... 20% to 25% are Psychopathic even worst...so...
But yeah the majority of people with ADHD have an amazing heart, super generous enjoy life!
Exactly.
I always still think I can do so much more than I can, but I find that if I start believing in reality I cannot work. I have to keep my "can do" attitude, even if its impossible, I will try my best to fit a square peg in a round hole. When I start believing I am flawed and unable to complete tasks the same as my peers, I become flawed and inferior. When I believe in myself and my abilities, they magically appear, even if I am not objectively the greatest, I am trying with my best efforts regardless.
As some astute psychologists have pointed out, there are healthy aspects to some amount of narcissism.
12:43 cutting ppl off is a hard one kinda sucks cause u don't realize ur doing it n ppl won't tell u because their trying to be nice.Funny you really telling The Truth @64 still working hard on all ADHD problems n Blessed with a great wife n she's a RN for 43 yrs
Thank good ness. Wishing all young ones to have schooling 1 on 1 for their Futures
my 3rd grad tech. Tried telling mom this not understanding tech.well that was in 70's
10:39 Yes, you were picking on one person, and we all know who. Those were the president's documents, and the executive as sole authority over them. No other president has been treated as poorly as him. Now he is in charge of the very people who used lawfare against him and im so happy for it. If you're going to talk politics, please consider doing a talk on Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Well, as many NPD experts have pointed out, Trump is a textbook case of NPD and an unusually dangerous one at that. Which makes him a great example to use in a fact-based video like this.
Sorry, but picking on implies singling out someone for behavior that doesn't merit being singled out for. Just based on how many untrue statements Trump makes (relative to politicians of either party, or world leaders of any country) Trump is so far an outliar, that the media commentary actually under-reports on his aberrancies. You're not liking certain facts doesn't change the facts.
If you're reporting on documents Trump took from the White House, no they are actually not his private property, and he directly violated numerous laws. And you can contrast his actual behavior (repeated dishonest denials) with that of both Mike Pence and Joe Biden - who acknowledged possession of a much smaller numbers of documents, and immediately worked with the exiting government to return them to their rightful location.
unsubscribed because of the constant politics
he has very good content if you are willing to look past his political references, although it might be a lot easier for me as I am not a US citizen.
I didn't watch but let me guess...he uses trump as an example and your emotions are hurt lol. I'd bet $500 right now though I guess I could be wrong.
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Reporting observational data and making psychological conclusions about people in the public domain is not "constant politics." I'm not commenting (most of the time) on policy, except when it directly impacts mental health (as in the transgender video.)
@@DrJohnKruse I mean, you do mention politics and politicians a lot sometimes, but you do not comment your opinions on it 99,9% of the time. I personally hate most politics and have mostly stopped following politics for the past few months and I have been happier when not burdening myself with politics. I do understand the appeal though.
By the way, I am aware that I ramble about unrelated things in your comment field, just tell me if you would like me to comment less regularly.