Some random 2 cents about comp tf2 from an oldhead spectator POV: I started following NA competitive TF2 in 2013 and it has never been as enjoyable to be a VIEWER and FAN of 6s since that era of 2013-2015. Back then, I think it was easier to put faces and personalities to the players, because you saw pictures and videos of them from the ESEA lan every season, you heard rumors, stories. Even if you didn't attend the LAN, you felt like you were a part of it from reading the threads and watching peoples vlogs. The internet was also a simpler place back then, pre discord, people still using IRC, and so a lot of the discussion/gossip actually happened on the forums and was available to everyone. I stayed in touch with the scene from 2016-2019 because I attended all of the insomnia LAN's during that time period, but the excitement was waning because of 1) no more ESEA lans 2) froyotech dominance and 3) many important players/community icons quitting for overwatch or getting old and moving on with life. The level of play is so much higher now, but back then you cared about high level players for their LAN antics and personality as well as their gameplay. It seems to me now its just gameplay, and everything is more faceless and sterile. A big part of why I got into COMP tf2 was all of the strong personalities and lore surrounding its top players. TF2 will always evolve on, but its just not the same.
Yeah there isn't nearly the same culture around invite players just streaming consistently as there used to be from what i can see, and great point about discord vacuuming so much "content" or just personality behind closed doors It's definitely still there and the scene feels similar in many ways but you just have to be so much more entrenched to get the same impression, which is easy for me to forget
@elitecombine5373 watch guides, check out tf2 newbie mixes, tf2 coaching central. Those are good servers. There are also "luna pugs" and "bagel pugs." They are meant for newbies as well. I can send you the links if you'd like
One thing I'd enjoy is RGL and players consistently uploading matches. RGL certainly couldn't do every (invite) match, but having the broadcast for every playoff match would be great. I do not have the time to watch live usually and I miss being able to see the casted broadcast on TH-cam, in under a week after it was played. On the player side, I miss seeing the stream VODs of matches or scrims from b4nny, arekk, habib etc. I know its probably a too high volume for most invite players to sustain or very little incentive since their channels aren't big. Anyway thanks for all your topic videos, and I'd love to see your match comms etc. if you're willing and able.
maybe its worth uploading to the 2nd channel, but i actually made an effort to stream most of my matches and all those vods are saved on my twitch channel
@@Wild_Rumpus I'd watch on a second channel. I despise twitch's mobile interface and how VODs are handled there. Hopefully the VODs wouldn't even need to be edited.
I have to say I really enjoy your videos. I have long since fallen out with tf2 and the competitive scene as a whole, but it's nice to just listen to someone chat about a scene I do care about. You bring a pretty sane perspective to the scene, and while I don't watch everything you upload, it's nice to just stop by every once and a while to hear how things are going in a game I used to dedicate a lot of my time to.
11:40 Joined competitive a few months ago through a newbie cup and went on to form highlander and new 6’s team afterwards with the people I met. Had never heard of comp TF2 before so the exposure is definitely gotten a lot better
Comp will have a true renaissance when everyone acknowledges the true power of the Scottish straight upgrade Which YOU can spur on by making a video about it!!!
absolutely wild claim after half of all invite teams disbanded mid season and advanced omega struggled to get teams to fill out the division. the mentality at the top level is the worst it has ever been and the younger players are not being coached/mentored well, most of them quitting once they interact with an invite neet
Same in EU. The top 2 teams quit a while ago and many top players are just occasionally playing pugs or have quit. Motivation to improve I feel is at a low point
And not to mention that mentoring over here from good players is nearly impossible to come by. If you're lucky or in the know you might get a singular demo review from a decent player, but good luck with that. I feel there is a huge divide between the top and bottom divisions
@@sollybrown8217 no it does not. Much of this is centered around NA TF2 but it does not take into account the rest of the world where these resources are not available. On top of that it ignores that we had new player cups and resources in the past which have now disappeared. The reason new players need new player pugs is because all other 'open' pugs where you are guaranteed to eventually play no longer exist outside of NA. The reason more resources than ever are needed to get new players into competitive TF2 is because the skill floor and barrier to entry is higher than ever, with many players even in Open having played competitively for a year or longer.
Completely agree. The upper divisions are circle jerks filled with neets. Nobody wants to deal with that shit. RGL needs to cater to real people if they don't want it to die off.
Seems like there is relatively good support for new players in divisions from Newcomer to Intermediate, with 70 teams total playing this season. But from Main to Invite there are 23 total teams with only 6 teams in invite... How is this competitive? It feels like a rec league at your local park where you see the same people every time. I would love a video addressing player retainment because it seems like most people quit after IM.
im-main is wall that filters a lot of people and don't forget the higher the div the higher the skill gap. the gap between main and adv is even bigger and the gap between adv to inv is even bigger.
you have a fair point but players at a higher level are often involved in the community without playing leagues (myself included right now), and are still involved through their social circles or some other form of participation aside from active competition
@@MrSquiy I'm not talking about weeding out bad players... I'm wondering why the good developing players from lower divisions stop playing. What can RGL do to support these players and make upper divisions more competitive?
@@Wild_Rumpus I'm not saying people quit Tf2 completely. They just stop playing in the league. Why do they quit? What is the "community" doing to encourage participation?
i really wish valve had made a decent competitive. climbing the ladder in ow made me research ways of getting better at the game and thats how i found out about joining a team; when.i played tf2 i didnt even think about joining a team or even really getting better at the game in the same way i did ow
Because tf2 is from Quake era, where you would join a server, play matches with whoever, and leave, and then repeat again tomorrow. It is a casual game. The official comp mode (and the entire Meet Your Match update) is a hastly made addendum
4v4 PASS Time is the next big thing on the horizon for Comp TF2 IMO. It's really raw, easy to understand, and fast-paced in a way that sidesteps a lot of the inherent challenges of the 5cp and even KOTH formats played in 6s and Highlander. If there is major growth potential for the TF2 comp scene in general I think it is with P4SS.
18:20 Unfortunately P-REC doesn't need any updates, but instead approval from Valve. Client-side plugins need to be manually approved by Valve, which they did for x32, but it's a fat chance of them approving it for x64. Nothing ever happens.
When was this ever the case? Please link me to where this was said cause I don't think this is true from how literal player model mods and no hats have never been approved by Valve but work.
People say the culture is lost but the culture is now on discord and the reach it has is further. Everything still exists as it did in the past, but now there's the younger generation which explans on it. I refuse to ever fall into the old head mindset, when I see with my own eyes the future improving. We are now at the point in TF2 where we're are so close to choosing our own future.
I dont know about other gamemodes, but I saw that a there are a lot of new passtime players. And I got itroduced to it thanks to you tierlist. Ad oh man, is this so fun, especially while playing with other new players, where you dont feel like you are a liability to your team. The community is very welcoming and will teach you the basics, if you didnt watch great and simple tutorials they have there. They also try to set up new players and focus more on the defense rather than just trying to destroy the enemy team.
Havent played TF2 in 5 years. Your channel has brought me back to good old days were I tried to get as good in casual so I could try comp. Never happened! But surely it brings me to simpler times 😂
It’s honestly on and off for me because, what all you say is true and when I went to lan myself (glad to meet ya in person btw) I thought the same thing myself with the venue being so full and the potential is there, but still it falls flat on many things like watchability, it’s not fun to many to watch the same matchup all the time, tho matches have been getting more interesting with the new players climbing the ranks and doing new strats or offclassing more and more it just makes it a bit more entertaining to watch. Along with TH-cam content on competitive tf2 being coming in more and more, not much but for the people who are interested can see that the scene is still kicking. Another thing is RGL moderation, it’s messy with people going against each other or not communicating to each other little if not ever, but they try and they doing the job when they can for free. Last is sustainability, we have so many players at open-intermediate but when they go higher and higher players start to wane and disappear to where it’s barely any players coming into invite and advanced, tho you can’t blame players for that as much cause idk why they left, if it’s intimidation, get a coach to help you through the rank you want to go through like the chuds this season and they are kicking ass!! See what I mean?
Valve casual games are set to mp_tournament 1. Auto recording setting "Auto-record Tournament Matches" will auto-record any tf2 game with mp_tournament variable set to true. This includes casual and comp games.
one thing that is INCREDIBLY important to the scene is TF2CC pugs as a newcomer player, it’s way easier to graduate newbie pugs when you have multiple newcomer pugs running every day it’s so, so unfortunate that it has a serious mod abuse problem. it’s just a clique of mods being intentionally ignorant, petty, etc.
It's more like an age of reflection rather than expansion, i dont think the scene is expanding but finally we are able to have more overview of it and it's developements.
have been really considering finding a newbie HL team to try out for or whatnot here recently. been playing since 08, and never got into comp until recently. i know alot of high profile vtubers just played tf2 to a huge audience so hopefully player count grows a little. id love to see a full comeback
I think the good sign of TF2 comp renaissance would be if meta starts to become more flexible. And I do see some of it, like you using Loch n Load instead of Iron bomber, Demo having two viable primaries is HUGE! Hope to see more loadout and maybe one day class variety in comp! 😊
Stradegies devlop over time. In recent time i have seen strategies like air strike on mid, Pyro caps on gullywash last and spy sap and sacs. I wish one day we get the miracle Heavy update because none of the current heavy unlocks change his playstyle
I feel RGL is falling tho after the internal staff fighting, inactive admins that feel like UGC, and invite players quiting over hyper toxicity, BUT I do feel that other groups doing 4s, pugs still existing somehow, I'm sure someone will pick up slack (even in eu) and while I think it's still uncertain, I think the one constant with comp TF2 is that it always somehow finds a way to survive, despite no real Valve involvement and a million other things that should have killed it
i dont have anything to add so i'll just suggest some random topics if you run out of real topics to talk about kill icon tierlist weapon firing sound tierlist (how satisfying is the sound) character voice line tierlist map tierlist ranked by how beautiful the map is
i agree with a lot of your points! I've been playing competitive as a hobby for the past 5 years and I don't think I get nearly as many harsh accusations from pubs and random gamers as I used to. I think content creators on their front have done a great job acknowledging what the community for what it is at heart. At the very least, they are tolerant and leave us to our fun. With that being said, I think you failed to mention a lot of the issues that are going on internally with pretty much every league I know of. I think there's been a big boost of players entering lower divisions and although it's good, I don't think any current moderation system is managing to keep up with it. I'm finding match quality, player conduct and generale morale to be exceptionally poor and I can't imagine how much more scary it would be for a completely new player to enter the scene alone. People will always have complaints about a league, but it's also worth acknowledging when those complaints become too big to simply ignore. If we want players with good sportsmanship and healthy mentalities to make it up the ranks, it needs to be handled much better than it is today, or since the COVID playerbase increase. Especially when most TF2 players brains are LITERALLY STILL DEVELOPING THE IDEA OF MORALITY, it's important that players set a good example, and community members hold both each other (and those they are responsible for) accountable for their conduct.
So I am kind of new to TF2, I've been playing for 4 months does it actually work on competitive match because every time I click on competitive match it just stays queued up and the match never goes through, anyone can help me understand better?
Highlander has been shrinking and getting worse since UGC got snaked, but 6s has been doing pretty well. I just don't enjoy playing anymore because I mostly don't like RGL for various reasons over the years, the most common repetition of which is the need to make a tftv thread for timely basic moderation to occur, pugs still being a mess for every level of play, and don't like the way RGL has resulted in excessive sanitization of the broadcasts to the point of things just not being interesting to watch as someone no longer actively playing. I dipped a season or two after it was either all three or two of the top three amateur teams had their wins overturned because of a cheating ban over a month after the season end and stopped watching for the most part a few seasons after that, so I don't know if things got a lot better about production after that. RGL's more recent behavior in regard to bans such as the meltdowns shortly preceding the death of the RGL forums and the disproportionate punishments for everyone except for the involved pdf files until rgl got reamed for being stupid again doesn't have me thinking well of trusting their continued ability to moderate sanely, discouraging any consideration I have had of getting back into things. I get more info on Highlander because I'm in a discord with a few active HL players.
As a new player of 2 years, competitive TF2 has never interested me cause it just seems so boring compared to casual. And I was a big fan of competitive valorant (my computer couldn't run it but I enjoyed it)
Seems like NA is doing good but here in Europe future seem way more unclear. After Insomnia died we in europe don't have a clear number 1 lan. Lans are great for the scene, but fundraising from the community is not sustainable. If Valve would just sponsor a tournament even with little as 20k prizepool...
Hopefully not, I dont want comp players to influence and make weapons garbage again just to please their niche playstyle that will never be on the same leagues with overwatch.
game whit 10k players having comp --- no updates for 7 years ---- comunity matchmaking putting random restrictions on weapons yeah fuck competitive its just trash mode
Some random 2 cents about comp tf2 from an oldhead spectator POV:
I started following NA competitive TF2 in 2013 and it has never been as enjoyable to be a VIEWER and FAN of 6s since that era of 2013-2015. Back then, I think it was easier to put faces and personalities to the players, because you saw pictures and videos of them from the ESEA lan every season, you heard rumors, stories. Even if you didn't attend the LAN, you felt like you were a part of it from reading the threads and watching peoples vlogs. The internet was also a simpler place back then, pre discord, people still using IRC, and so a lot of the discussion/gossip actually happened on the forums and was available to everyone.
I stayed in touch with the scene from 2016-2019 because I attended all of the insomnia LAN's during that time period, but the excitement was waning because of 1) no more ESEA lans 2) froyotech dominance and 3) many important players/community icons quitting for overwatch or getting old and moving on with life.
The level of play is so much higher now, but back then you cared about high level players for their LAN antics and personality as well as their gameplay. It seems to me now its just gameplay, and everything is more faceless and sterile. A big part of why I got into COMP tf2 was all of the strong personalities and lore surrounding its top players. TF2 will always evolve on, but its just not the same.
Yeah there isn't nearly the same culture around invite players just streaming consistently as there used to be from what i can see, and great point about discord vacuuming so much "content" or just personality behind closed doors
It's definitely still there and the scene feels similar in many ways but you just have to be so much more entrenched to get the same impression, which is easy for me to forget
I thought of trying out the tf2 comeptitve scene but idk where to start or what I should know to start.
@elitecombine5373 watch guides, check out tf2 newbie mixes, tf2 coaching central. Those are good servers. There are also "luna pugs" and "bagel pugs." They are meant for newbies as well. I can send you the links if you'd like
@@elitecombine5373 join tf2cc and the next newbie cup
Watching froyo vs ascent back in the day was some good times.
The Chuds debut in invite -> "Is Comp TF2 Having a Renaissance?" coincidence? kappa
chuds will roll froyo mark my words
They allow racist trainsphobic bigoted chuds in comp tf2 now?
Short answer: No
Long answer: No
One thing I'd enjoy is RGL and players consistently uploading matches.
RGL certainly couldn't do every (invite) match, but having the broadcast for every playoff match would be great. I do not have the time to watch live usually and I miss being able to see the casted broadcast on TH-cam, in under a week after it was played.
On the player side, I miss seeing the stream VODs of matches or scrims from b4nny, arekk, habib etc. I know its probably a too high volume for most invite players to sustain or very little incentive since their channels aren't big.
Anyway thanks for all your topic videos, and I'd love to see your match comms etc. if you're willing and able.
maybe its worth uploading to the 2nd channel, but i actually made an effort to stream most of my matches and all those vods are saved on my twitch channel
@@Wild_Rumpus I'd watch on a second channel. I despise twitch's mobile interface and how VODs are handled there. Hopefully the VODs wouldn't even need to be edited.
@@phantom1051 You should check out Fireside Casts Rumpus casted some of the Invite matches with them this season
I have to say I really enjoy your videos. I have long since fallen out with tf2 and the competitive scene as a whole, but it's nice to just listen to someone chat about a scene I do care about. You bring a pretty sane perspective to the scene, and while I don't watch everything you upload, it's nice to just stop by every once and a while to hear how things are going in a game I used to dedicate a lot of my time to.
11:40 Joined competitive a few months ago through a newbie cup and went on to form highlander and new 6’s team afterwards with the people I met. Had never heard of comp TF2 before so the exposure is definitely gotten a lot better
Ive noticed a massive uptick in players returning to the game competitively this last year, been cool
TF2 summit 😢 rewind III 😢 TF2 eu
Rewind most underrated lan. I would pay money to see top of eu go againts top of na
Comp will have a true renaissance when everyone acknowledges the true power of the Scottish straight upgrade
Which YOU can spur on by making a video about it!!!
What Blud is yapping about? Scottish Handshake? I mean yeah it's direct upgrade to stock. Scottish resistance? Direct downgrade to stock 💀
@@danielsurvivor1372skullcutter
Non of this can be said for etf2l and euro comp as a whole unfortunetly
Don’t be sad, HL in NA(RGL) is dead
NA 6s is in a similar boat with top teams dropping out and this season being practically a wash
@@roshshowhl is stupid format anyway. Format for bad players where only the sniper has a significant role
Nice argument, unfortunately, minor spelling mistake on the description. It should end with "compares to ITS past".
got into comp tf2 recently after trying out newbie mixes and the tf2cc newbie cup, and it's been super fun so far :D
Just subscribed! TF2 has been such a blast lately. I’ve been making some vids too, love seeing the community still going strong 💙
absolutely wild claim after half of all invite teams disbanded mid season and advanced omega struggled to get teams to fill out the division. the mentality at the top level is the worst it has ever been and the younger players are not being coached/mentored well, most of them quitting once they interact with an invite neet
Same in EU. The top 2 teams quit a while ago and many top players are just occasionally playing pugs or have quit. Motivation to improve I feel is at a low point
And not to mention that mentoring over here from good players is nearly impossible to come by. If you're lucky or in the know you might get a singular demo review from a decent player, but good luck with that. I feel there is a huge divide between the top and bottom divisions
11:00 disproves ur bs
@@sollybrown8217 no it does not. Much of this is centered around NA TF2 but it does not take into account the rest of the world where these resources are not available.
On top of that it ignores that we had new player cups and resources in the past which have now disappeared.
The reason new players need new player pugs is because all other 'open' pugs where you are guaranteed to eventually play no longer exist outside of NA.
The reason more resources than ever are needed to get new players into competitive TF2 is because the skill floor and barrier to entry is higher than ever, with many players even in Open having played competitively for a year or longer.
Completely agree. The upper divisions are circle jerks filled with neets. Nobody wants to deal with that shit. RGL needs to cater to real people if they don't want it to die off.
Seems like there is relatively good support for new players in divisions from Newcomer to Intermediate, with 70 teams total playing this season. But from Main to Invite there are 23 total teams with only 6 teams in invite... How is this competitive? It feels like a rec league at your local park where you see the same people every time.
I would love a video addressing player retainment because it seems like most people quit after IM.
im-main is wall that filters a lot of people and don't forget the higher the div the higher the skill gap. the gap between main and adv is even bigger and the gap between adv to inv is even bigger.
you have a fair point but players at a higher level are often involved in the community without playing leagues (myself included right now), and are still involved through their social circles or some other form of participation aside from active competition
Can confirm! I realized I was hitting a skill ceiling after my season of IM HL. Getting carried can only get you so far :P
@@MrSquiy I'm not talking about weeding out bad players... I'm wondering why the good developing players from lower divisions stop playing. What can RGL do to support these players and make upper divisions more competitive?
@@Wild_Rumpus I'm not saying people quit Tf2 completely. They just stop playing in the league. Why do they quit? What is the "community" doing to encourage participation?
i really wish valve had made a decent competitive. climbing the ladder in ow made me research ways of getting better at the game and thats how i found out about joining a team; when.i played tf2 i didnt even think about joining a team or even really getting better at the game in the same way i did ow
Because tf2 is from Quake era, where you would join a server, play matches with whoever, and leave, and then repeat again tomorrow. It is a casual game. The official comp mode (and the entire Meet Your Match update) is a hastly made addendum
you are the renaissance, sir rumpus
4v4 PASS Time is the next big thing on the horizon for Comp TF2 IMO. It's really raw, easy to understand, and fast-paced in a way that sidesteps a lot of the inherent challenges of the 5cp and even KOTH formats played in 6s and Highlander. If there is major growth potential for the TF2 comp scene in general I think it is with P4SS.
18:20 Unfortunately P-REC doesn't need any updates, but instead approval from Valve. Client-side plugins need to be manually approved by Valve, which they did for x32, but it's a fat chance of them approving it for x64. Nothing ever happens.
damn i didnt know thats unfortunate
@@kodoque the half employee Dota 2 hire will add it in 3 more years dw fam we got this
When was this ever the case? Please link me to where this was said cause I don't think this is true from how literal player model mods and no hats have never been approved by Valve but work.
that's because player model mods and no hats aren't plugins
new wild_rumpus video, I must watch
Apparently I played against you on the Gen 3 ladder today. Cool channel 😁
only play it because of you, gg
i started playing sixes last may during the tf2cc newbie cup! it was great and i’m in my second rgl season now!
i love your videos so much
People say the culture is lost but the culture is now on discord and the reach it has is further. Everything still exists as it did in the past, but now there's the younger generation which explans on it. I refuse to ever fall into the old head mindset, when I see with my own eyes the future improving. We are now at the point in TF2 where we're are so close to choosing our own future.
I dont know about other gamemodes, but I saw that a there are a lot of new passtime players.
And I got itroduced to it thanks to you tierlist.
Ad oh man, is this so fun, especially while playing with other new players, where you dont feel like you are a liability to your team.
The community is very welcoming and will teach you the basics, if you didnt watch great and simple tutorials they have there.
They also try to set up new players and focus more on the defense rather than just trying to destroy the enemy team.
Havent played TF2 in 5 years. Your channel has brought me back to good old days were I tried to get as good in casual so I could try comp. Never happened! But surely it brings me to simpler times 😂
It’s honestly on and off for me because, what all you say is true and when I went to lan myself (glad to meet ya in person btw) I thought the same thing myself with the venue being so full and the potential is there, but still it falls flat on many things like watchability, it’s not fun to many to watch the same matchup all the time, tho matches have been getting more interesting with the new players climbing the ranks and doing new strats or offclassing more and more it just makes it a bit more entertaining to watch. Along with TH-cam content on competitive tf2 being coming in more and more, not much but for the people who are interested can see that the scene is still kicking.
Another thing is RGL moderation, it’s messy with people going against each other or not communicating to each other little if not ever, but they try and they doing the job when they can for free.
Last is sustainability, we have so many players at open-intermediate but when they go higher and higher players start to wane and disappear to where it’s barely any players coming into invite and advanced, tho you can’t blame players for that as much cause idk why they left, if it’s intimidation, get a coach to help you through the rank you want to go through like the chuds this season and they are kicking ass!!
See what I mean?
Valve casual games are set to mp_tournament 1.
Auto recording setting "Auto-record Tournament Matches" will auto-record any tf2 game with mp_tournament variable set to true.
This includes casual and comp games.
one thing that is INCREDIBLY important to the scene is TF2CC pugs
as a newcomer player, it’s way easier to graduate newbie pugs when you have multiple newcomer pugs running every day
it’s so, so unfortunate that it has a serious mod abuse problem. it’s just a clique of mods being intentionally ignorant, petty, etc.
It's more like an age of reflection rather than expansion, i dont think the scene is expanding but finally we are able to have more overview of it and it's developements.
Am I tripping or is one of your teamates is the match that's playing in the demo footage playing gunspy for like a solid 5-10 minutes
have been really considering finding a newbie HL team to try out for or whatnot here recently. been playing since 08, and never got into comp until recently.
i know alot of high profile vtubers just played tf2 to a huge audience so hopefully player count grows a little. id love to see a full comeback
if only my internet connection wasn't so shit... i wanna play sixes real bad but my connection is so bad sometimes i can't even play mvm
I think the good sign of TF2 comp renaissance would be if meta starts to become more flexible. And I do see some of it, like you using Loch n Load instead of Iron bomber, Demo having two viable primaries is HUGE!
Hope to see more loadout and maybe one day class variety in comp! 😊
Stradegies devlop over time. In recent time i have seen strategies like air strike on mid, Pyro caps on gullywash last and spy sap and sacs. I wish one day we get the miracle Heavy update because none of the current heavy unlocks change his playstyle
investing in every tf2 comp stock
As a filthy casual, comp TF2 growing sounds pretty cool
This guy is like the BKC of comp TF2
I feel RGL is falling tho after the internal staff fighting, inactive admins that feel like UGC, and invite players quiting over hyper toxicity, BUT I do feel that other groups doing 4s, pugs still existing somehow, I'm sure someone will pick up slack (even in eu) and while I think it's still uncertain, I think the one constant with comp TF2 is that it always somehow finds a way to survive, despite no real Valve involvement and a million other things that should have killed it
customlander my beloved
@@Grapevin the possibility of another 'Goblander' 12v12 'for goblin gamers only' pug format will forever live in my head at least
i dont have anything to add so i'll just suggest some random topics if you run out of real topics to talk about
kill icon tierlist
weapon firing sound tierlist (how satisfying is the sound)
character voice line tierlist
map tierlist ranked by how beautiful the map is
Ah yes, the tierlist industrial complex.
tierlist slop
no hottest class if they were female tierlist???
i agree with a lot of your points! I've been playing competitive as a hobby for the past 5 years and I don't think I get nearly as many harsh accusations from pubs and random gamers as I used to. I think content creators on their front have done a great job acknowledging what the community for what it is at heart. At the very least, they are tolerant and leave us to our fun.
With that being said, I think you failed to mention a lot of the issues that are going on internally with pretty much every league I know of. I think there's been a big boost of players entering lower divisions and although it's good, I don't think any current moderation system is managing to keep up with it. I'm finding match quality, player conduct and generale morale to be exceptionally poor and I can't imagine how much more scary it would be for a completely new player to enter the scene alone.
People will always have complaints about a league, but it's also worth acknowledging when those complaints become too big to simply ignore. If we want players with good sportsmanship and healthy mentalities to make it up the ranks, it needs to be handled much better than it is today, or since the COVID playerbase increase. Especially when most TF2 players brains are LITERALLY STILL DEVELOPING THE IDEA OF MORALITY, it's important that players set a good example, and community members hold both each other (and those they are responsible for) accountable for their conduct.
shoutout Kyle
hi im from 2029, a leaked dev build of TF3 just leaked in a half life 3 patch, were so back
Asia is still dying in the background
5:20 That was fucking beautiful😲💥
Golden boy merch
So I am kind of new to TF2, I've been playing for 4 months does it actually work on competitive match because every time I click on competitive match it just stays queued up and the match never goes through, anyone can help me understand better?
@@superdupper12 competitive tf2 isn't the in-game matchmaking it's played through 3rd party hubs and servers. newbie mixes are a good way to start
hell, its looking just like 8 years ago. What a stagnated gamemode
Highlander has been shrinking and getting worse since UGC got snaked, but 6s has been doing pretty well.
I just don't enjoy playing anymore because I mostly don't like RGL for various reasons over the years, the most common repetition of which is the need to make a tftv thread for timely basic moderation to occur, pugs still being a mess for every level of play, and don't like the way RGL has resulted in excessive sanitization of the broadcasts to the point of things just not being interesting to watch as someone no longer actively playing.
I dipped a season or two after it was either all three or two of the top three amateur teams had their wins overturned because of a cheating ban over a month after the season end and stopped watching for the most part a few seasons after that, so I don't know if things got a lot better about production after that. RGL's more recent behavior in regard to bans such as the meltdowns shortly preceding the death of the RGL forums and the disproportionate punishments for everyone except for the involved pdf files until rgl got reamed for being stupid again doesn't have me thinking well of trusting their continued ability to moderate sanely, discouraging any consideration I have had of getting back into things.
I get more info on Highlander because I'm in a discord with a few active HL players.
holy shit is this faris or r4bbit?
@@notsomortal4972 both of those players played more recently than what I posted
It better not the worst parts of modern tf2 is their fault
As a new player of 2 years, competitive TF2 has never interested me cause it just seems so boring compared to casual. And I was a big fan of competitive valorant (my computer couldn't run it but I enjoyed it)
Seems like NA is doing good but here in Europe future seem way more unclear. After Insomnia died we in europe don't have a clear number 1 lan. Lans are great for the scene, but fundraising from the community is not sustainable. If Valve would just sponsor a tournament even with little as 20k prizepool...
Does ETF2L ever host lans?
lol
comp killed quickplay and brought in 7 years of bots
In-game comp and valve being lazy did that.
Communiy comp has done nothing but given players more reason to stick around
Community comp is half the reason for balances made in MyM
MTF2GA
Hopefully not, I dont want comp players to influence and make weapons garbage again just to please their niche playstyle that will never be on the same leagues with overwatch.
The game as a whole lost relevancy ever since the meet ur match update that straight up ruined the game.
game whit 10k players having comp --- no updates for 7 years ---- comunity matchmaking putting random restrictions on weapons yeah fuck competitive its just trash mode
the only good comp gamemode is 4v4 pass time. 6s is solved. highlander is solved. pass time is the only thing thats not solved
Answer is no
First
Nah it is dead asf, not only competitive but casual is also dead.
Move on
why are you here?
can we please just get a dramatized slam-piece documentary on that little 5'6" rodent that is Dashner? would be so funny