I think Ventress's humor is one of the biggest reasons we love her so much. As much as I love Clone Wars (and I do!) it's a bit humorless compared to the movies, especially the OT.
I thought the episode was fine but a bit anti-climatic. It would have got a bigger reaction out of me if they hadn't spoiled her return in the trailer. Imagine if Ventress just showed up alive out of no where with a yellow lightsaber without any of us knowing or expecting it. We would have been going crazy today.
I hate how I basically had this story mapped out in my head of Quinlan Vos being the one who tells them about the M Count but his condition for telling them this information is that beforehand they help bring an anonymous cargo to Dathomir, and it turns out to be his beloved Ventress’ body which he resurrects with nightsister magic.
Agree. I don’t think I would’ve been excited to see her again, for all the aforementioned reasons, but it definitely would’ve gone down better for more people for sure.
Small thing: I appreciate how well the water fight was animated. It's wild that we can just take every little drop for granted now when that used to be the peak of what was possible.
@@drugaddicter no not even them unfortunately. No new characters we keep resurrecting the same ones or jump to timelines where they’re around etc etc. The only exception I’ll make is for the show Kenobi. I’m glad that story got told and we got to see Vader and Obi - Wan duke it out. But like Luke in mando…ehh I get it but don’t like it. Give us more originality, I’m excited for the high republic. Hopefully new stories and characters.
Star Wars animation shows have been brilliant. Much better than the live action ones. Ventress and Omega intrigues me much more than the Ahsoka and Sabine debacle.
I’m definitely interested to see what happens with Ventress moving forward. I hope she helps the bad batch assault Tantiss and possibly duel an inquisitor
The sort of stormy weather seems very ominous like a calm before the storm, from the trailer we see the empire find the bad batch so that’s gotta be within the next few episodes
In the EU, Ventress was allegedly dead, but actually survived and it was open in that too. At least in Canon, she survived too. It's better than Ventress wanting to just go away from the Clone Wars and everything else.
@@jedigamer9935 You keep saying "death" as if it's not literally what happened. We can pretend there was logic and reason behind this all we want, that won't make it true, the reality is Lucasfilm is a collective of creatively bankrupt hacks that can't help but retcon something if they get the arrogance to think they can do it better. It's just sad.
Disney Starwars has a problem of just letting characters die. Like seriously, why does everyone need to cheat death and somehow return? Once or twice you can get away with but come on its so old the concept is 6 feet under by now.
the worst they did with this was ahsoka. ahsoka should of been killed by vader in that sith temple. instead falonis gotta save his waifu and literally pull her into another dimension. seriously that killed rebels for me. I loved ahsoka in clone wars, she was a really well written character but she needed to die there by vader. one of the absolute worst things in all of star wars.
@@saberiandream316 oh I don't disagree with you. I'm just telling you why they're doing this. I can't think of a new female Disney character that I actually give a shit about. And I think Disney secretly knows this and that's why we keep bringing old characters back from the dead and of course making them worse
According to Artorr, Dark Desciple was supposed to be 8 episodes. The Clone Wars had 52 episodes in production after The Lost Missions. 13 Conventional arcs by Season 5 standards. Ultimately 3 got made when Season 7 aired. Bad Batch on Kashyyyk, Crystal Crisis, Son of Dathomir, Sith Shrine (Ahsoka focused under the Temple), and Dark Desciple (which was double length) plus a few more. Artorr has great documentary/review content and just released his Jedi Survivor video. He took off with a 3 part series on the Clone Wars: Legend, Brilliance, and Legacy, focusing on the Movie/S1, S2-6, and post cancellation media thru S7.
@Wyr_111 That wasn't an option. No Lucas, wanting to move on, budget, and the fact that some of these stories had been told in other mediums were all factors. Ultimately, they were given 12 episodes or 3 arcs: The Bad Batch, Ahsoka's Walkabout, and the Siege of Mandalore. An arc about Rex and the Clones, an arc about Ahsoka and her new perspective on the galaxy and the Jedi, and an arc that combines the two to form a compelling series finale during Revenge of the Sith. We may get shreds of the missing arcs in future stories like Tales of the Jedi, but when a series comes back from the dead, you take what you can get because the alternative is to get nothing.
@@erinm9445 to be fair, he's not wrong. The walkabout arc could have been told in two episodes, leaving the next two to explain how Maul escaped from Palpatine after we last saw him in season five.
Agreed with the sentiment. To me, this episode felt like a pilot episode to a spin-off. Asajj's VA said this is just a tease for what to come. Also, I could see the reamining Bad Batch die (or at least some of them) in a final confrontation freeing the remaining clones or sacrificing themselves for Omega, while Omega goes on to travel and train with Ventress in the epilogue
Sounds like the basic Disney formula these days. Do not pay attention to a series... it becomes good... turns around and notices the series is getting popular and people enjoy it... proceed to insert new female lead, new female powers, and get rid of or kill off the male cast. Then have the females get all the powers and watch as the quality of the writing goes down along with viewership and people caring about the show. I had enjoyed Bad Batch and enjoyed it for how it did things like classic star wars... showed some rather nice twists (no clone care and evil empire army funding obtained) and then when you didn't expect it... really and I mean struck you hard with hard hitting episodes as every Crosshair episode was both a treat and something to dread as you see how much worse things can get. Then we get the legendary M-count... Project Necromancer... and now Ventress coming in to teach Omega how to be a jedi. The episode wasn't exactly bad per say... it was just... predictable in an annoying way... and leaves me worried for the future of this series I had enjoyed rather than being excited for the next episode as I am starting to predict... a predictable story that isn't very good.
Nah they have such big potential to use them in future stuff, they wont die if anything the will have a heartbreaking split up so she can learn to use the force and thats probably the End
There is always something in (most) art that is worth discussing, whether the art succeeds at what it’s trying to do or not. I appreciate Eck being honest every time, whereas most other SW creators are shills, or just farming for clicks from negative engagement on a spectrum that usually just is “women/minorities/woke bad”.
I can't be the only one shipping Ventress and Crosshair, can I? I can just imagine them sitting grumpily together, bonding over how disappointing people are.
they pretty much implied in (almost) all recent media that abolutely everyone can use the force if they are open to it. in my opinion, they really want the "cool" combinations like sabine (force + mandalorian) or omega (force + clone) to be a thing. the more, the better i guess
@@NoahEX-fh1rf I find that shit so corny bro. Clones and Mandalorians are both cool because they don't need the force. And everyone being able to just use the force with enough training makes actually being able to use it so much less special. But I digress, whatever.
I actually don't think she's force sensitive. If you pay atention to the tests the Empire was doing on Tantiss, it would seem they are trying to see if it is possible to have Midichlorians transfused into other's blood. And it seems Omega's blood has been the only one where the Midichlorians persist, that was implied in that other episode.
@@MandatoryFruitcompletely agree with everything. I loved seeing ventress again, but I really disliked the reason they brought her back. Omega really doesn't need to be force sensitive, just like Sabine didn't either. Part of the charm of these characters is that they manage to be interesting without the force, and this "everyone can use the force" thing completely misses the point of that. I really think ventress deserves something more original than for her purpose to be another jedi master-apprentice relationship like weve seen a thousand times
@@Bionickpunk And retconning a canon book so she can be revived isn't? I guess those who read the books go jump off. I'm Dave Filoni and I do what I please, when I please, regardless of previously established works and lore.
If yallz actually read the Dark Disciple then you'd know she wasn't even dead. It was heavily implied that she was being resurrected with night sister magic at the very end of the story
@@supersaiyn41 like the first meeting between luke and ahsoka. they just appeared together randomly in BOBF of all places. the first meeting could or SHOULD have been an episode on its own
I do love how this also handled the sabine force semsitivity thing. Midi chlororian count determining potential but it's training that makes a jedi or sith.
Here is my groan for everyone... they are going to retcon Rey and claim she is an Omega clone spliced with Palps DNA. Thus to further tie it to their sunken sequel trilogy and to claim that Rey gained all of her instant force training by inheriting the Rey clone memories and training or something equally stupid.
I really hated this episode, Ventress had a perfect end to her story and there was literally no reason for her to come back, she literally died, here is the end of the novel Dark Disciple so everyone can see it: "He gave a shaky breath. He had thought he would dread this moment, but he was surprised to feel more a sense of serene peace than pain. This was what had to be done, and he knew it deep in his bones. Slowly, reverently, he raised his arms as if he were holding Ventress in them. Her body rose into the air in response. Vos held her in the Force over the still, dark lagoon and lowered her gently. Little by little, the black waters closed over her, receiving her in their embrace. His face was the last of his body to disappear, pale and with an expression of serenity that she had never known in life. Flicker. The water...was it changing color? Wisps of mist began to rise, green and bright. Green, like the magic of Dathomir that Ventress had spoken of; green, just like the Water of Life. Vos caught your breath. Soft whispers reached his ears, sounding almost like... Kenobi was immediately at his side, his lightsaber unlit, but ready in his hand. -Vos, what is happening? Little by little, with some disbelief, Vos understood. His heart ached with bittersweet joy. "Listen," was the only thing he said. Kenobi's eyes widened. He also heard, at that moment, the whispers of women's voices. The Force had recovered his wayward daughter from Dathomir, and as Vos reached out to send the woman he loved a final farewell, he thought he could make out a single word: "sister." Asajj Ventress had finally returned home." (It's a google translation from the spanish version, so it's probably not the same as the english book) It's literally a perfect ending for her and its very clear that shes's dead. They could've used other character for the episode, but they wanted Ventress for no reason, Vos could have been a good choice, even Baylan could have worked, but no, they decided to use a character that didn't need a continuation to her story and had a very good end.
As a martial artist I liked her fight with the Bad Batch, a nice mix of kung fu and ju jitsu there and how she adapts her barehanded style very differently to Hunter/Wrecker/Crosshair
Don't forget about Tales of the Jedi season 2. Just the way things have been set up it's looking like this next season will be the retelling of Dark Disciple in the short form. As for the next long form show I think they'll pause with Omega and explore something new maybe the High Republic to further expand that era.
This episode was fine but Star Wars stories are increasingly repetitive. A young person who doesn't understand the galaxy (Luke/Ashoka/Omega/Ezra/Rey) becomes a Jedi. They lose a mentor (Ben/Anakin/Tech/Kanan/Luke), befriend a non-sentient (R2/R2/Becher/Chopper/BB8), and are surprisingly helped by a former foe (Vader/Hondo/Asajj/Fulcrum/Hux). The Ashoka series is already starting to follow this pattern too. I wouldn't be surprised if Captain Enoch turns out to be a good guy.
My bigger annoyance especially this season is every other episode has a giant monster. Like. Can we go awhile before having another one? And they all factor heavily into the story they aren’t just say a worm in space chilling?
The only thing I'm surprised by is that this surprises anyone. Star Wars has never been that deep. It's just fun fantasy storytelling in space, with EXCELLENT world building. You're describing the classic hero's journey, just set in the Star Wars universe.
I want more clone era stuff. I love the clone wars era. Most creative era of star wars and the clones are fuckin cool. Wish we got to see more variety of the squads in ROTS. Like the Galactic Marines and commander Grees men
It seemed like it was hinted that we’d get a show in which Ventress is training Omega, after this final season of BB. Watching this episode kinda reminded me of of watching the BB episodes in S7 of CW, like it was a soft pilot for a new show…
It's good to see Ventress back, she's become a very interesting character. If the creators are talking so enthusiastically about the future of her and Omega as ongoing characters I'll look forward to what we see next. Definitely feels like there is room for a next chapter. I'm continually impressed by the maturity of Bad Batch as a show. I feel like it's explored a lot of themes and questions within the lore that have gone untouched, particularly when it comes to the tragedy of the clones and the rise of the Empire's military philosophy. It honestly feels the closest to Andor out of all the other SW material, which is pretty impressive for a show originally advertised as a sequel/spin-off to the often goofy Clone Wars series. (Not to say that CW didn't have many solid, more mature arcs)
I'm thinking Omega's M count is low, but it doesn't reject midichlorians. So with enough of them in her blood she could be made Force sensitive. That would make her valuable to the Emperor, as they could just make clones of Omega. How that fits into Project Necromancer I don't know.
people are forgeting a key thing here. the Emporer wants to clone his body since the fight with mace left scars plus he old. Omega is a near copy of jango with boba being an exact copy. Jango manage to kill 6 jedi which got Dooku's attention. so while not force senitive he likely has a high count for a non force sensitive but the key thing is Omega likely does not have a degraded M count. all the other clones minus her and Boba likely have lower m coutns then jango but those two do thus the Emperor can clone himself and transfer his essence into the clone. Old Republic stories say that bane learn this technque and took over his students body. but the technic lost to time. Palps perhaps found it and is adapting it to his plan
I gotta say, that hand to hand fight between Wrecker, Hunter, and Crosshair vs. Ventress was so slick. It seriously gives even the mocaped fight between Ahsoka and Maul a run for it's money.
If Dark Disciple is still canon, I could see them explaining that either she did get killed by Dooku's lightning but when her body was returned to her homeworld the waters of the planet revived her, or perhaps she actually did survive the lightning but ended up in a death-like state, and Vos and everyone else assumed she was dead, and when Vos returned her body to her homeworld, the water of Dathomir revived her, but she was stranded on Dathomir while she recovered and missed the rest of the Clone Wars and Order 66. Plus since the Kenobi series proved that people can survive being stabbed in the chest/gut by a lightsaber, it wouldn't be too big of a stretch to assume Ventress survived Dooku's Lightning.
I really hope this episode is some sort of back door pilot for a show about the hidden path from Obi-Wan Kenobi. We learned there that Quinlan was working with the path network. I think it would be perfect to have Asajj helping too. It would make so much sense for her character, devoting her new found life to helping force sensitive children not fall into the wrong hands like she did.
I like Asajj as a character. That being said, I think it's another example of Filoni/Lucasfilm disregarding canon stories in order to make a splash for their "bigger" projects. Seems like Omega could have found out about m-count from some other source other than bringing someone back from the dead (again!) - just lazy writing. And overall, considering her use in the trailer, her appearance here is kind of a let-down.
As soon as I heard about the show talking about "M-Count" and having Palpatine arrive at whatever planet it was to see the progress, my suspicion that the "M-Count" meant "Midichlorian Count" was confirmed. I am assuming that Palpatine wanted Force Sensitive clones.
My main problem with this is simple: If the book seemingly leaves Ventress dead or assumed to be dead but somehow revived because 'woOoOoOoOoO spooky green mists in the waters SpoOoOoky', then you better bring her back for something good. Otherwise, why bother? You'll only tarnish the memory of said character or even worse, ruin it. This episode, while good on its own right, I don't think really justified bothering bringing her back. If she appears more later on then perhaps, but it better be worth it. It also doesn't help one bit that Disney just *WON'T FUCKING STOP WITH THE CAMEOS ALREADY* for fuck sake, if there's cameos nonstop then they stop being significant in any way. Look at Mando season 1 and then Mando season 2, you'll notice the huge difference in cameos - and some of those cameos (like Ashoka) don't serve as much of a use to the plot other than bringing new info and being blatant fanservice. Boba was good on season 2 tho, that one at least was foreshadowed in the first episode of the season.
Yeaaaa I’m getting the vibe ventress isn’t just a cameo and that she’ll play a key role in omegas future and hopefully we get to see it cause ventress is such a great character
I think the episode was completely fine, maybe they alluded to something bigger in the trailer but we still have more episodes for that to be true. People say this is just "filler" but I'm convinced people don't know what that means, this episode was vital to the story and just because it didn't have some big imperial/clone fight that doesn't mean its any less important of an episode.
The color of a guardian lightsaber.. she hurt no one.. she is very aligned and strong in the light side... it all fits perfectly.. I think she will play a very pivotal role in the coming episodes..
Ventress somehow returned. "That's a story for another time." ... Director guy, "Did you forget to pay it out again?" Writer guy, "Yep we forgot to pay it out again."
KK:"Huh? Huh? Oh, come on! You gotta admit, this is cool! Just like the old movies: an Empire will appear dramatically, do some damage, blow up some planets. And just when all hope is lost? A Skywalker will save the day! Rey will be a bigger hero than you ever were!" Fans:"You mean you killed off the real trilogy, just so you could *pretend* to be it?! KK:"Oh, it's real alright, real enough to make more money than *the OT* ! And I did it without your precious themes, your oh-so special director. I'll give them jedi. I'll give them the most spectacular jedi anyone's ever seen! And when the trilogy is done and I've made my money, I'll make spinoff tv shows so that everyone can use the force. *Everyone* can be a cool jedi! And when everyone's a cool jedi..." [Laughs Maniacally] KK:"... *no one* will be."
Here's my personal wacky theory: Palpatine has been working secretly with the Kaminoans on this project for a while. Nala Se was unable to produce and exact clone of Palpatine but was able to successfully splice his genes with their existing template to produce a viable candidate with a high midi-chlorian count. Either somehow Nala Se developed a bond with Omega, or she understood the gravity of this development and hid it. Or, perhaps this was a secret experiment by the Kaminoans for a potential bargaining chip with Palpatine. Omega will continue to evade capture for many years until she settles down with a spouse and has a daughter--Rey.
So in your theory yoy think omega is going to get together with palpatine's clone? Seeing rey's father was the failed clone of palpatine and the mother unknown. 2 clones making a kid, is that even possible isn't their reproduction organs not sterilised?
@@MNM-lq9te No, OP is saying that Omega IS a palpatine clone, like a cross with Jango and Palps--which is contrary to what the show has already told us--or maybe a Jango clone with midichlorians from Palps?
@@erinm9445 wouldn't that be a retcon of the sequals?? In ep 9 we see that palpatine has a failed clone that is the father of rey so it wouldn't work acording to canon without retconning a major thing in the sequal trilogy.
This could lead to a hypothical show with Ventress and Omega where Omega will get more training and so on. If Disney does something like that I would be very hyped.
It was nice to see Ventress displaying some real depth as a character. She still has her edges, but she’s a much more reasonable person. Kind of like an alternate version of Maul where they both were betrayed by the Sith and turned their back on the Sith. Unlike Maul she has Jedi roots to fall back on and it seems like she’s found a nice middle ground of some sort for herself
I miss when Asajj was just a bad ass Rattataki. Never seen TCW but even before that series came out I always thought she was such a cool character. I figured Disney wouldn’t have the courage to leave her dead after Dark Disciple.
We have a pretty good idea of what Ventress ends up doing, if they accept Dark Disciple. Based on the snippet in Kenobi, I think it's more than likely her story is going to be about her and Quinlan Vos creating The Path (with or without Omega there helping them). Would not be surprised to learn their efforts begin with a mass breakout of clones and expands to Force Sensitives and others hunted by the Empire.
Asajj may end up starting Omega's training (if she turns out to have the Force; I dunno, Filoni may just be teasing us) but Omega may end up training with Ahsoka during Ahsoka's years in exile (pre-Grogu). The reason I make that connection was the meeting between Omega and young Hera Syndulla towards the very end of Clone Wars. That, in my opinion, was a "Chekhov's Gun" sort of moment. The fact that they know each other will come back somehow.
Really glad this character is back. Some live long enough to become the villain, but a story about redemption and reflection is what our society truly needs. As they introduced Clone Force 99 in the final season of The Clone Wars to launch a continuation … they are launcing a Assajj - Omega series to continue TCW series. Offering viewers a new perspective into the Era of The Empire, serving as a S4-S6 of the Bad Batch. Also didn’t she get a shout out in live-action in the Ahsoka series? I hope we get a Tales of the Jedi (S3) with the Dark Diciple arc, for not everyone has read that beautifully crafted story of Assajj and Vos vs Dooku and Palpatine. It would be the ultimate retribution for Palpatine’s horrific war crimes and manipulations if Assajj were to deal the crippling blow to Palpatine’s cloning efforts by destroying Tantiss Base and training Omega to fend for herself. However i’m predicing a huge sacrifice from our squad to deliver that blow and for Omega to come into the care of Ventress.
To be fair, Ventress was pre-Filoni. But yeah now every character can’t be dead or have a conclusion to their character wherein they’re just absent. So frustrating.
I am genuinely into Asajj's overall character arc; we all know that the Jedi are so up their own ass that they need to wake up, and we got Ahsoka to reflect that perspective, but the reverse was also true. Palpatine is the worst Sith who exploited their dogma and resources for personal gain, but the sith also needed to wake up. Maul was a pretty good approximation of that, but he was still totally consumed with rage and revenge that he could never be appropriately redeemed; but Asajj has the promise of a fantastic redemption arc for both sides. Imagine if we got an Asajj live action series as a mirror to the Ahsoka series.
it's been a while since i read Dark Desciple. But wasn't her burrial scene "some time later" so it could be 10 years later technically, as long as kenobi and vos are still alive to deliver her there
Omega was never even close to confirmed to be force-sensitive. It can be argued that it was hinted at. But all we know (and what I believe to be all it is) is that Omega's blood is able to accept and sustain midichlorians when mixed with high M-count blood. Meaning she's the only successful candidate we know of for Project Necromancer.
This is strange. Isn't it a fact from the novel Dark Disciple that she took a lethal blast from Dooku's force lightning meant for Quinlan Vos? Or her appearance in TBB a retcon?
I love her new direction i think shes a great character that yhey could build stories around. The fact she has a non red sabre speaks volumes to me. But shows her flaws that she struggles with shen she had them.
Theory: omega isn’t very force sensitive at all, but shows it’s possible to transfer midichlorians into clones. If they can capture her, they can figure out what’s special about her and use that information to make palpatine clones.
I thought it was a great episode! Granted assaj ventress is one of my favorite characters to come out of the clone wars tv show, I thought it was very wholesome how they hit it off with Omega. I went ahead and rewatched the bit from Rebels where Kanan is testing Ezra, and realized just how much these master-apprentice moments reveal about the characters. Also made me realize in retrospect how good of a show Rebels was. If you discount for the feels I had about clone wars ending when it was released and it’s radically different concept from the clone wars series, turns out it was a great show. I would even dare compare it to the likes of Firefly and Cowboy Bebop as one of the best space westerns of all time.
Dark disciple was supposed to be an 8 episode Clone Wars arc, Disney could allow Lucasfilm to release it as its own mini series. I would love to see that story told on screen.
Dark disciple is such an amazing novel. If anybody hasn’t read it, I strongly suggest you do It’s definitely an emotional rollercoaster. After watching this episode of bad batch, I really want to see dark disciple as a TV movie from its original episode arc of TCW that never happened.
guess I'm with the few who are glad Ventress is fine and doing well, Also I like she schooled the naive deserters(TBB). I guess its like a high level deserter meets a group of low level deserters.
I believe for the tales of the jedi season 2 they'll adapt the Dark Disciple arc and explore Ventress more, now that people are interested in what happened to her before the bad batch.
nine things about Ventress Lift by her story check it roll the chip that is overdone it too much for her okay thai time to wrap-up thank you she will say her own words not my on my Breakdown live-Action. 1. Disney Star Wars has a problem of just letting characters die. Like seriously, why does everyone need to cheat death and somehow return? 2. Once or twice you can get away with but come on it's so old the concept is 6 feet under by now. 3. In the EU, Ventress was allegedly dead, but actually survived and it was open in that too. At least in Canon, she survived too. 4. It's better than Ventress wanting to just go away from the Clone Wars and everything else. The sort of stormy weather seems very ominous like a calm before the storm, from the trailer we see the Empire find the bad batch so that’s gotta be within the next few episodes. 5. I think the episode was completely fine, maybe they alluded to something bigger in the trailer but we still have more episodes for that to be true. People say this is just "filler" but I'm convinced people don't know what that means, this episode was vital to the story, and just because it didn't have some big imperial/clone fight that doesn't mean it's any less important of an episode. 6. I gotta say, that hand-to-hand fight between Wrecker, Hunter, and Crosshair vs. Ventress was so slick. It seriously gives even the mocap fight between Ahsoka and Maul a run for its money. Your optimism about Star Wars quality is a nice change from everyone else who has given up and a reason I still keep watching you. 7. I can't be the only one shipping Ventress and Crosshair, can I? I can just imagine them sitting grumpily together, bonding over how disappointing people are. I think she realized that omega was unknowingly affecting her dog companion through the force. I honestly didn’t think about that until this episode. 8. She’s a Nightsister and was buried on Dathomir by Voss and Kenobi. That’s all the explanation I need. I wouldn't be surprised if Captain Enoch turns out to be a good guy. Don't forget about Tales of the Jedi season 2. 9. Just the way things have been set up it's looking like this next season will be the retelling of Dark Disciple in the short form. As for the next long-form show, I think they'll pause with Omega and explore something new maybe the High Republic to further expand that era. I could see her appear in Tales of the Jedi.
Pretty sure we will learn the story what happened with Ventress either in Tales of the Jedi Season 2 or in a separate series. If I would have to guess, the goal here was probably more to show she's alive and check the interest about this character reappearance
I quite liked this episode! I thought it was great! Could just be me, I appreciated them focusing on the Bad-Batch instead of just suddenly focusing on Ventress for a few episodes. I believe this could be a teaser for the next animated series, but that’s just a personal theory.
I feel like id have been less upset if the trailer hadnt teased/spoiled it. Like, i loved the episode. Its a pretty decent way to throw in a legacy character, and give her reason to be there (a force-wielding bounty hunter fits the Batchs needs, and matches their current set of connections, it makes a LOT of sense, honestly). If it had come out of nowhere, without the trailer, id be fine with her being a single episode exposition dump and plot-hook delivery system. The excitement of her showing up would BE a climax of this particular plot thread. But with the trailer spoiling it... it just ends up feeling like shes only there to justify having her in the trailer...
Ventress cracks me up. "You're an odd little clone." Killed me. lol
I think Ventress's humor is one of the biggest reasons we love her so much. As much as I love Clone Wars (and I do!) it's a bit humorless compared to the movies, especially the OT.
I thought the episode was fine but a bit anti-climatic. It would have got a bigger reaction out of me if they hadn't spoiled her return in the trailer. Imagine if Ventress just showed up alive out of no where with a yellow lightsaber without any of us knowing or expecting it. We would have been going crazy today.
I forgot she was gonna show up, and I forgot she had a yellow light saber.
I can confirm it was a banger without the spoilers.
@@buzzy4227 oh how I envy you.
I hate how I basically had this story mapped out in my head of Quinlan Vos being the one who tells them about the M Count but his condition for telling them this information is that beforehand they help bring an anonymous cargo to Dathomir, and it turns out to be his beloved Ventress’ body which he resurrects with nightsister magic.
Agree. I don’t think I would’ve been excited to see her again, for all the aforementioned reasons, but it definitely would’ve gone down better for more people for sure.
Yeah wasnt much of a surprise reveal since she featured in the pre-season trailer.
Omega: Wow I might be the Force sensitive
Jek-14: [Sad force lightning sounds]
Jek-14 should be canon
Jek-14 has the same starkiller problem tho 😂
But I can’t deny it would be cool
that guy is so lit hes literally clone wars starkiller
The yoda chronicles were so good bro. Jek 14 is such an awesome character
Ah, I remember that game.
“I am the Harbinger. Assuming direct control”
We are the harbinger of their perfection. Prepare these humans for ascension.
"You have failed. We will find another way... releasing control."
“This hurts you….”
"My attacks will tear you apart"
“You can’t run shepherd it’s harbingin time”
Small thing: I appreciate how well the water fight was animated. It's wild that we can just take every little drop for granted now when that used to be the peak of what was possible.
Yeah the water animation was crazy
I like how crosshair helps ventress aboard the marauder.Both characters had done terrible things but are on the path to redemption.
Am I the only one that was like, whoa, chemistry! I didn't even know animated characters could have chemistry in that way, but I totally felt it!
I INSTANTLY shipped them
@@erinm9445 there's definitely some chemistry between them.
@@ZachBobBob I hadn't thought of shipping them before.
I'm glad I'm not the only person that go something out of that scene
Silly Eck this is Star Wars, no one dies.
For real.
Except the countless stormtroopers
I’m not entirely surprised given she was buried on dathomir
No one is ever really gone.
I wish that was true... Fives...
Somehow Ventress has returned.
They all return 😪
except for Padme and Anakin. They are dead and gone.
@@drugaddicterany Skywalker really
ventress never died
@@drugaddicter no not even them unfortunately. No new characters we keep resurrecting the same ones or jump to timelines where they’re around etc etc.
The only exception I’ll make is for the show Kenobi. I’m glad that story got told and we got to see Vader and Obi - Wan duke it out.
But like Luke in mando…ehh I get it but don’t like it. Give us more originality, I’m excited for the high republic. Hopefully new stories and characters.
Star Wars animation shows have been brilliant. Much better than the live action ones. Ventress and Omega intrigues me much more than the Ahsoka and Sabine debacle.
I’m definitely interested to see what happens with Ventress moving forward. I hope she helps the bad batch assault Tantiss and possibly duel an inquisitor
Same. I really think the Ahsoka show would have been better as an animated show.
I think the writing in ahsoka for Sabine wasn’t the best best everything else was pretty good
You have such low standarts for animated shows, I can't tell if you're serious or sarcastic.
Both equally bored me to death.
The sort of stormy weather seems very ominous like a calm before the storm, from the trailer we see the empire find the bad batch so that’s gotta be within the next few episodes
Maybe when the empire invades the split line happens like she could stay with the bad batch or get a clean escape with Ventris
In the EU, Ventress was allegedly dead, but actually survived and it was open in that too.
At least in Canon, she survived too. It's better than Ventress wanting to just go away from the Clone Wars and everything else.
In the book she was killed and BURIED on Dathomir..... How is she alive? She do what Robin did and crawl her way out?? Plsssss
@@sniperaim333 she wasn't buried on Dathomir. She was placed in the waters there by Quinlan Vos as instructed upon her "death"
@@jedigamer9935 You keep saying "death" as if it's not literally what happened. We can pretend there was logic and reason behind this all we want, that won't make it true, the reality is Lucasfilm is a collective of creatively bankrupt hacks that can't help but retcon something if they get the arrogance to think they can do it better. It's just sad.
after being dead for several months. @@jedigamer9935
@@sniperaim333no, she wasn't. I know your ass hasn't read it
Disney Starwars has a problem of just letting characters die. Like seriously, why does everyone need to cheat death and somehow return?
Once or twice you can get away with but come on its so old the concept is 6 feet under by now.
the worst they did with this was ahsoka. ahsoka should of been killed by vader in that sith temple. instead falonis gotta save his waifu and literally pull her into another dimension. seriously that killed rebels for me. I loved ahsoka in clone wars, she was a really well written character but she needed to die there by vader. one of the absolute worst things in all of star wars.
Disney can't make new compelling characters so they have to bring back old ones even from death
is it Disney, or is it Filloni?
@@saberiandream316 oh I don't disagree with you. I'm just telling you why they're doing this. I can't think of a new female Disney character that I actually give a shit about. And I think Disney secretly knows this and that's why we keep bringing old characters back from the dead and of course making them worse
when did ventress cheat death? didnt she help ahsoka in the CW and just vanished?
According to Artorr, Dark Desciple was supposed to be 8 episodes. The Clone Wars had 52 episodes in production after The Lost Missions. 13 Conventional arcs by Season 5 standards. Ultimately 3 got made when Season 7 aired. Bad Batch on Kashyyyk, Crystal Crisis, Son of Dathomir, Sith Shrine (Ahsoka focused under the Temple), and Dark Desciple (which was double length) plus a few more. Artorr has great documentary/review content and just released his Jedi Survivor video. He took off with a 3 part series on the Clone Wars: Legend, Brilliance, and Legacy, focusing on the Movie/S1, S2-6, and post cancellation media thru S7.
When they revived Clone Wars, they should have just picked up where they left off,
@Wyr_111 That wasn't an option. No Lucas, wanting to move on, budget, and the fact that some of these stories had been told in other mediums were all factors. Ultimately, they were given 12 episodes or 3 arcs: The Bad Batch, Ahsoka's Walkabout, and the Siege of Mandalore. An arc about Rex and the Clones, an arc about Ahsoka and her new perspective on the galaxy and the Jedi, and an arc that combines the two to form a compelling series finale during Revenge of the Sith. We may get shreds of the missing arcs in future stories like Tales of the Jedi, but when a series comes back from the dead, you take what you can get because the alternative is to get nothing.
@@jecrex8349 well thank god the first arc just served to introduce the bad batch and the second arc was dogshit.
@@d.cirovic1695 Aren't we a ray of sunshine
@@erinm9445 to be fair, he's not wrong. The walkabout arc could have been told in two episodes, leaving the next two to explain how Maul escaped from Palpatine after we last saw him in season five.
Agreed with the sentiment. To me, this episode felt like a pilot episode to a spin-off. Asajj's VA said this is just a tease for what to come. Also, I could see the reamining Bad Batch die (or at least some of them) in a final confrontation freeing the remaining clones or sacrificing themselves for Omega, while Omega goes on to travel and train with Ventress in the epilogue
Sounds like the basic Disney formula these days.
Do not pay attention to a series... it becomes good... turns around and notices the series is getting popular and people enjoy it... proceed to insert new female lead, new female powers, and get rid of or kill off the male cast.
Then have the females get all the powers and watch as the quality of the writing goes down along with viewership and people caring about the show.
I had enjoyed Bad Batch and enjoyed it for how it did things like classic star wars... showed some rather nice twists (no clone care and evil empire army funding obtained) and then when you didn't expect it... really and I mean struck you hard with hard hitting episodes as every Crosshair episode was both a treat and something to dread as you see how much worse things can get.
Then we get the legendary M-count... Project Necromancer... and now Ventress coming in to teach Omega how to be a jedi.
The episode wasn't exactly bad per say... it was just... predictable in an annoying way... and leaves me worried for the future of this series I had enjoyed rather than being excited for the next episode as I am starting to predict... a predictable story that isn't very good.
Nah they have such big potential to use them in future stuff, they wont die if anything the will have a heartbreaking split up so she can learn to use the force and thats probably the End
She’s a Nightsister and was buried on Dathomir by Voss and Kenobi. That’s all the explanation I need. 💯💯
I think she realized that omega was unknowingly affecting her dog companion through the force. I honestly didn’t think about that until this episode.
Your optimism about Star Wars quality is a nice change from everyone else who has given up and a reason I still keep watching you
There is always something in (most) art that is worth discussing, whether the art succeeds at what it’s trying to do or not. I appreciate Eck being honest every time, whereas most other SW creators are shills, or just farming for clicks from negative engagement on a spectrum that usually just is “women/minorities/woke bad”.
I can't be the only one shipping Ventress and Crosshair, can I? I can just imagine them sitting grumpily together, bonding over how disappointing people are.
I said something like that to my friend when we watched it tonight. Crooshair is the father, Ventress in the mother, and Omega is the daughter.
@@ebenmoore9770omega is older than the rest of the squad
@JJJBunney001 I know, but she is still more of a child than Clone Force 99 and Ventress have ever been.
Yeah, that glance when he helped her into the ship? Fire! Glad I'm not othe only one that felt it.
Welll it's gonna suck when crosshair is killed off then
I seriously hope Omega isn't force sensitive. I don't think she is, but I'm genuinely so sick of every character needing to be a force user.
they pretty much implied in (almost) all recent media that abolutely everyone can use the force if they are open to it. in my opinion, they really want the "cool" combinations like sabine (force + mandalorian) or omega (force + clone) to be a thing. the more, the better i guess
@@NoahEX-fh1rf I find that shit so corny bro. Clones and Mandalorians are both cool because they don't need the force. And everyone being able to just use the force with enough training makes actually being able to use it so much less special. But I digress, whatever.
I actually don't think she's force sensitive. If you pay atention to the tests the Empire was doing on Tantiss, it would seem they are trying to see if it is possible to have Midichlorians transfused into other's blood. And it seems Omega's blood has been the only one where the Midichlorians persist, that was implied in that other episode.
Same honestly
@@MandatoryFruitcompletely agree with everything. I loved seeing ventress again, but I really disliked the reason they brought her back. Omega really doesn't need to be force sensitive, just like Sabine didn't either. Part of the charm of these characters is that they manage to be interesting without the force, and this "everyone can use the force" thing completely misses the point of that. I really think ventress deserves something more original than for her purpose to be another jedi master-apprentice relationship like weve seen a thousand times
and once again a character comes back from the dead. Qui-Gon getting REAL tired of this bantha poodoo
Hey he came back... a little incorporeal, but he came back.
@@watcherzero5256 i think he'd rather be corporeal
@TheMeta141 He'd rather not. He as a force ghost got fatter and older and so on.
But she was never CONFIRMED dead though, it was through a book, which not everyone has read. Big difference
@TheMeta141 that's his force trick and you can't take it away from him! 😅
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CloneWars was the last time we SAW Ventress.
Yeah, the Dark Horse comic.
@@bluehero-96 Majority of people don't read those or the books. Killing her off in a book was the biggest middle finger to show fans.
The early Dark Horse comics were peak Star Wars
@@Bionickpunk And retconning a canon book so she can be revived isn't? I guess those who read the books go jump off. I'm Dave Filoni and I do what I please, when I please, regardless of previously established works and lore.
If yallz actually read the Dark Disciple then you'd know she wasn't even dead. It was heavily implied that she was being resurrected with night sister magic at the very end of the story
Nah I’m more upset that they didn’t show us Crosshair’s reaction to Tech’s death
I'm also bummed over the fact they didn't show us Echo's reaction about Five's death and his discovery of the Order 66 conspiracy.
yeah for real like, why the fuck did they skip over such an important moment????
@@supersaiyn41 like the first meeting between luke and ahsoka. they just appeared together randomly in BOBF of all places. the first meeting could or SHOULD have been an episode on its own
@@S-N7 Good point I completely forgot about that
@@NoahEX-fh1rf agreed
I do love how this also handled the sabine force semsitivity thing. Midi chlororian count determining potential but it's training that makes a jedi or sith.
4:41 next series is Omega. Calling it like the narrator
Llmaoooooo I’ll second that
Imagine a whole batch of omegas😭
Here is my groan for everyone... they are going to retcon Rey and claim she is an Omega clone spliced with Palps DNA.
Thus to further tie it to their sunken sequel trilogy and to claim that Rey gained all of her instant force training by inheriting the Rey clone memories and training or something equally stupid.
I really hated this episode, Ventress had a perfect end to her story and there was literally no reason for her to come back, she literally died, here is the end of the novel Dark Disciple so everyone can see it:
"He gave a shaky breath. He had thought he would dread this moment, but he was surprised to feel more a sense of serene peace than pain. This was what had to be done, and he knew it deep in his bones. Slowly, reverently, he raised his arms as if he were holding Ventress in them. Her body rose into the air in response. Vos held her in the Force over the still, dark lagoon and lowered her gently. Little by little, the black waters closed over her, receiving her in their embrace. His face was the last of his body to disappear, pale and with an expression of serenity that she had never known in life.
Flicker. The water...was it changing color?
Wisps of mist began to rise, green and bright. Green, like the magic of Dathomir that Ventress had spoken of; green, just like the Water of Life. Vos caught your breath. Soft whispers reached his ears, sounding almost like...
Kenobi was immediately at his side, his lightsaber unlit, but ready in his hand.
-Vos, what is happening?
Little by little, with some disbelief, Vos understood. His heart ached with bittersweet joy.
"Listen," was the only thing he said.
Kenobi's eyes widened. He also heard, at that moment, the whispers of women's voices. The Force had recovered his wayward daughter from Dathomir, and as Vos reached out to send the woman he loved a final farewell, he thought he could make out a single word: "sister." Asajj Ventress had finally returned home."
(It's a google translation from the spanish version, so it's probably not the same as the english book)
It's literally a perfect ending for her and its very clear that shes's dead.
They could've used other character for the episode, but they wanted Ventress for no reason, Vos could have been a good choice, even Baylan could have worked, but no, they decided to use a character that didn't need a continuation to her story and had a very good end.
As a martial artist I liked her fight with the Bad Batch, a nice mix of kung fu and ju jitsu there and how she adapts her barehanded style very differently to Hunter/Wrecker/Crosshair
Man I always had a little bit of a thing for Ventress before, but Ventress with hair AND a yellow saber? I'm officially in love. 😅
Don't forget about Tales of the Jedi season 2. Just the way things have been set up it's looking like this next season will be the retelling of Dark Disciple in the short form. As for the next long form show I think they'll pause with Omega and explore something new maybe the High Republic to further expand that era.
@saberiandream316 agreed, and the one time he decides to keep continuity is with the sequel trilogy
@@saberiandream316man, EU was never even canon and I'm a EU fan. Lucas has even stated he doesn't really care. Y'all gonna ignore that too?
Plot quirks aside, god I love the animation in this series. It's beautiful
This episode was fine but Star Wars stories are increasingly repetitive. A young person who doesn't understand the galaxy (Luke/Ashoka/Omega/Ezra/Rey) becomes a Jedi. They lose a mentor (Ben/Anakin/Tech/Kanan/Luke), befriend a non-sentient (R2/R2/Becher/Chopper/BB8), and are surprisingly helped by a former foe (Vader/Hondo/Asajj/Fulcrum/Hux). The Ashoka series is already starting to follow this pattern too. I wouldn't be surprised if Captain Enoch turns out to be a good guy.
Of the recent Star Wars shows, the most critically acclaimed are the Mandalorian and Andor. Both which buck this trend.
I mean, that's just the hero's journey trope. All fantasy has that
My bigger annoyance especially this season is every other episode has a giant monster. Like. Can we go awhile before having another one? And they all factor heavily into the story they aren’t just say a worm in space chilling?
the franchise is creatively bankrupt, should've ended after the OT.
The only thing I'm surprised by is that this surprises anyone. Star Wars has never been that deep. It's just fun fantasy storytelling in space, with EXCELLENT world building. You're describing the classic hero's journey, just set in the Star Wars universe.
Wet haired vinterest got me feeling a certain type of way. Am i right?
I am hopeful that we see more of Asajj. Her continued character development shows promise for the balance of the force.
they gotta cut the shit and let characters die, no more fakeouts it's ridiculous
I swear to god, they're gonna bring Padme back next.
Nah
Fireball and nemec are dead.
Killing her off in a book is lame af. Glad they retconned that shit.
@@kobayashi1194 if you have a story (that's canon) stick with it idc if it's a book, a comic, a pamphlet if they are written to die let it be
I want more clone era stuff. I love the clone wars era. Most creative era of star wars and the clones are fuckin cool. Wish we got to see more variety of the squads in ROTS. Like the Galactic Marines and commander Grees men
Wolf could be really good especially after he met Rex they could easily make a show of him turning against everything and being part of a rebellion
It seemed like it was hinted that we’d get a show in which Ventress is training Omega, after this final season of BB. Watching this episode kinda reminded me of of watching the BB episodes in S7 of CW, like it was a soft pilot for a new show…
It's good to see Ventress back, she's become a very interesting character. If the creators are talking so enthusiastically about the future of her and Omega as ongoing characters I'll look forward to what we see next. Definitely feels like there is room for a next chapter.
I'm continually impressed by the maturity of Bad Batch as a show. I feel like it's explored a lot of themes and questions within the lore that have gone untouched, particularly when it comes to the tragedy of the clones and the rise of the Empire's military philosophy. It honestly feels the closest to Andor out of all the other SW material, which is pretty impressive for a show originally advertised as a sequel/spin-off to the often goofy Clone Wars series. (Not to say that CW didn't have many solid, more mature arcs)
Ventress emerges on Dathomir when Ashoka and Thrawn arrive
I'm thinking Omega's M count is low, but it doesn't reject midichlorians. So with enough of them in her blood she could be made Force sensitive. That would make her valuable to the Emperor, as they could just make clones of Omega. How that fits into Project Necromancer I don't know.
people are forgeting a key thing here. the Emporer wants to clone his body since the fight with mace left scars plus he old. Omega is a near copy of jango with boba being an exact copy. Jango manage to kill 6 jedi which got Dooku's attention. so while not force senitive he likely has a high count for a non force sensitive but the key thing is Omega likely does not have a degraded M count. all the other clones minus her and Boba likely have lower m coutns then jango but those two do thus the Emperor can clone himself and transfer his essence into the clone. Old Republic stories say that bane learn this technque and took over his students body. but the technic lost to time. Palps perhaps found it and is adapting it to his plan
Wasn’t starkiller a clone of someone
@@jameson1239starkiller was a clone of himself. But that is legends not canon.
@@RevkorBane attempted it but was unsuccessful.
@@MNM-lq9te right makes sense however think of how much Disney would make off of fan nostalgia if they made him cannon again
Now let’s be honest- who felt something with Asaaji’s movements and mannerisms 😅😜? The hairstyle is definitely 💯
"If lady evil, why hot?" 🤭
If not mommy? Why mommy shaped?
I've been saying this since season 1!!!
i could see her apper in tales of the jedi
I’d enjoy an episode of her and her master then the fall
Gods, Assajj will NEVER die. She will pop up in the future series like Mandalorian, Ahsoka etc. And apparently so will Omega from now on. >:(
I gotta say, that hand to hand fight between Wrecker, Hunter, and Crosshair vs. Ventress was so slick. It seriously gives even the mocaped fight between Ahsoka and Maul a run for it's money.
If Dark Disciple is still canon, I could see them explaining that either she did get killed by Dooku's lightning but when her body was returned to her homeworld the waters of the planet revived her, or perhaps she actually did survive the lightning but ended up in a death-like state, and Vos and everyone else assumed she was dead, and when Vos returned her body to her homeworld, the water of Dathomir revived her, but she was stranded on Dathomir while she recovered and missed the rest of the Clone Wars and Order 66. Plus since the Kenobi series proved that people can survive being stabbed in the chest/gut by a lightsaber, it wouldn't be too big of a stretch to assume Ventress survived Dooku's Lightning.
I really hope this episode is some sort of back door pilot for a show about the hidden path from Obi-Wan Kenobi. We learned there that Quinlan was working with the path network. I think it would be perfect to have Asajj helping too. It would make so much sense for her character, devoting her new found life to helping force sensitive children not fall into the wrong hands like she did.
Those who are force sensitive are usually really good with animals, I think batcher is an example of this
almost 4 years ago cap Fordo tried to warn us all about this
Ventress is my favourite Star Wars character period.
@@fffx2 OMG, can we PLEASE stop judging what other people love? FCS.
@@fffx2 yes it is. I just like villains. They are just more interesting
I like Asajj as a character. That being said, I think it's another example of Filoni/Lucasfilm disregarding canon stories in order to make a splash for their "bigger" projects. Seems like Omega could have found out about m-count from some other source other than bringing someone back from the dead (again!) - just lazy writing. And overall, considering her use in the trailer, her appearance here is kind of a let-down.
As soon as I heard about the show talking about "M-Count" and having Palpatine arrive at whatever planet it was to see the progress, my suspicion that the "M-Count" meant "Midichlorian Count" was confirmed. I am assuming that Palpatine wanted Force Sensitive clones.
My main problem with this is simple: If the book seemingly leaves Ventress dead or assumed to be dead but somehow revived because 'woOoOoOoOoO spooky green mists in the waters SpoOoOoky', then you better bring her back for something good. Otherwise, why bother? You'll only tarnish the memory of said character or even worse, ruin it.
This episode, while good on its own right, I don't think really justified bothering bringing her back. If she appears more later on then perhaps, but it better be worth it. It also doesn't help one bit that Disney just *WON'T FUCKING STOP WITH THE CAMEOS ALREADY* for fuck sake, if there's cameos nonstop then they stop being significant in any way. Look at Mando season 1 and then Mando season 2, you'll notice the huge difference in cameos - and some of those cameos (like Ashoka) don't serve as much of a use to the plot other than bringing new info and being blatant fanservice. Boba was good on season 2 tho, that one at least was foreshadowed in the first episode of the season.
Yeaaaa I’m getting the vibe ventress isn’t just a cameo and that she’ll play a key role in omegas future and hopefully we get to see it cause ventress is such a great character
I think the episode was completely fine, maybe they alluded to something bigger in the trailer but we still have more episodes for that to be true. People say this is just "filler" but I'm convinced people don't know what that means, this episode was vital to the story and just because it didn't have some big imperial/clone fight that doesn't mean its any less important of an episode.
The color of a guardian lightsaber.. she hurt no one.. she is very aligned and strong in the light side... it all fits perfectly.. I think she will play a very pivotal role in the coming episodes..
Ventress somehow returned.
"That's a story for another time."
...
Director guy, "Did you forget to pay it out again?"
Writer guy, "Yep we forgot to pay it out again."
KK:"Huh? Huh? Oh, come on! You gotta admit, this is cool! Just like the old movies: an Empire will appear dramatically, do some damage, blow up some planets. And just when all hope is lost? A Skywalker will save the day! Rey will be a bigger hero than you ever were!"
Fans:"You mean you killed off the real trilogy, just so you could *pretend* to be it?!
KK:"Oh, it's real alright, real enough to make more money than *the OT* ! And I did it without your precious themes, your oh-so special director. I'll give them jedi. I'll give them the most spectacular jedi anyone's ever seen! And when the trilogy is done and I've made my money, I'll make spinoff tv shows so that everyone can use the force. *Everyone* can be a cool jedi! And when everyone's a cool jedi..."
[Laughs Maniacally]
KK:"... *no one* will be."
Bars
Here's my personal wacky theory:
Palpatine has been working secretly with the Kaminoans on this project for a while. Nala Se was unable to produce and exact clone of Palpatine but was able to successfully splice his genes with their existing template to produce a viable candidate with a high midi-chlorian count. Either somehow Nala Se developed a bond with Omega, or she understood the gravity of this development and hid it. Or, perhaps this was a secret experiment by the Kaminoans for a potential bargaining chip with Palpatine. Omega will continue to evade capture for many years until she settles down with a spouse and has a daughter--Rey.
nah get this theory off my screen
So in your theory yoy think omega is going to get together with palpatine's clone?
Seeing rey's father was the failed clone of palpatine and the mother unknown.
2 clones making a kid, is that even possible isn't their reproduction organs not sterilised?
@@MNM-lq9te No, OP is saying that Omega IS a palpatine clone, like a cross with Jango and Palps--which is contrary to what the show has already told us--or maybe a Jango clone with midichlorians from Palps?
@@erinm9445 wouldn't that be a retcon of the sequals?? In ep 9 we see that palpatine has a failed clone that is the father of rey so it wouldn't work acording to canon without retconning a major thing in the sequal trilogy.
Asajj is the Harbinger of Omega's perfection.
This could lead to a hypothical show with Ventress and Omega where Omega will get more training and so on. If Disney does something like that I would be very hyped.
It was nice to see Ventress displaying some real depth as a character. She still has her edges, but she’s a much more reasonable person. Kind of like an alternate version of Maul where they both were betrayed by the Sith and turned their back on the Sith. Unlike Maul she has Jedi roots to fall back on and it seems like she’s found a nice middle ground of some sort for herself
I thought this episode was fantastic and one of the best this season
I am happy she is back and hope for more of her and Ahsoka working together eventually.
I'm sure Ventress being Dathomiri and the witches heavy involvement in Ahsoka will end up tying together at some point.
"That was it?"
Can be the series review
Probably the most acceptable revival of a character, if the nightsister magick pool functions like Ra's al Ghul's lazarus pit.
I miss when Asajj was just a bad ass Rattataki. Never seen TCW but even before that series came out I always thought she was such a cool character. I figured Disney wouldn’t have the courage to leave her dead after Dark Disciple.
We have a pretty good idea of what Ventress ends up doing, if they accept Dark Disciple. Based on the snippet in Kenobi, I think it's more than likely her story is going to be about her and Quinlan Vos creating The Path (with or without Omega there helping them). Would not be surprised to learn their efforts begin with a mass breakout of clones and expands to Force Sensitives and others hunted by the Empire.
Asajj may end up starting Omega's training (if she turns out to have the Force; I dunno, Filoni may just be teasing us) but Omega may end up training with Ahsoka during Ahsoka's years in exile (pre-Grogu). The reason I make that connection was the meeting between Omega and young Hera Syndulla towards the very end of Clone Wars. That, in my opinion, was a "Chekhov's Gun" sort of moment. The fact that they know each other will come back somehow.
Episode was pretty medicore, almost like filler. Think just had high hopes of Ventress still being kick ass.
It wasn't filler though, it was character development for omega, the squad, showing cross-hair re intergrate with the team, even for ventress
@@JJJBunney001 could have done that without bringing Ventress back, if we only see her once in Bad Batch it is waste.
Ventress is the perfect character to have interacted with Omega. She had such a troubled past as a force sensative young woman, this is great writing
ventress's hair looks so much better pushed back!
Can you please tell Ventress it looks sexy pushed back!?
@@orrinfreeman5672 Maybe Ventress isn't trying to be sexy for you.
@@erinm9445 It was just a Mean Girls quote! I wasn't trying to insinuate anything like that! My apologies.
Really glad this character is back. Some live long enough to become the villain, but a story about redemption and reflection is what our society truly needs.
As they introduced Clone Force 99 in the final season of The Clone Wars to launch a continuation … they are launcing a Assajj - Omega series to continue TCW series. Offering viewers a new perspective into the Era of The Empire, serving as a S4-S6 of the Bad Batch.
Also didn’t she get a shout out in live-action in the Ahsoka series?
I hope we get a Tales of the Jedi (S3) with the Dark Diciple arc, for not everyone has read that beautifully crafted story of Assajj and Vos vs Dooku and Palpatine.
It would be the ultimate retribution for Palpatine’s horrific war crimes and manipulations if Assajj were to deal the crippling blow to Palpatine’s cloning efforts by destroying Tantiss Base and training Omega to fend for herself.
However i’m predicing a huge sacrifice from our squad to deliver that blow and for Omega to come into the care of Ventress.
Very obvious that this episode is a backdoor pilot for a "Dark Disciple" show for after BB ends.
Glad the animation is still good
Wow look I was right Dave self insert characters can’t die lol
To be fair, Ventress was pre-Filoni.
But yeah now every character can’t be dead or have a conclusion to their character wherein they’re just absent. So frustrating.
I am genuinely into Asajj's overall character arc; we all know that the Jedi are so up their own ass that they need to wake up, and we got Ahsoka to reflect that perspective, but the reverse was also true. Palpatine is the worst Sith who exploited their dogma and resources for personal gain, but the sith also needed to wake up. Maul was a pretty good approximation of that, but he was still totally consumed with rage and revenge that he could never be appropriately redeemed; but Asajj has the promise of a fantastic redemption arc for both sides. Imagine if we got an Asajj live action series as a mirror to the Ahsoka series.
I feel like at this point it's just cannon that Dathomiri characters get extra lives.
it's been a while since i read Dark Desciple. But wasn't her burrial scene "some time later" so it could be 10 years later technically, as long as kenobi and vos are still alive to deliver her there
Omega was never even close to confirmed to be force-sensitive. It can be argued that it was hinted at. But all we know (and what I believe to be all it is) is that Omega's blood is able to accept and sustain midichlorians when mixed with high M-count blood. Meaning she's the only successful candidate we know of for Project Necromancer.
This won’t be the end. We’ll get her again
Thanks for the video.
If this ends up leading up to her entry into real life SW films or shows then....hey let's do it!
This is strange. Isn't it a fact from the novel Dark Disciple that she took a lethal blast from Dooku's force lightning meant for Quinlan Vos? Or her appearance in TBB a retcon?
I love her new direction i think shes a great character that yhey could build stories around. The fact she has a non red sabre speaks volumes to me. But shows her flaws that she struggles with shen she had them.
Theory: omega isn’t very force sensitive at all, but shows it’s possible to transfer midichlorians into clones. If they can capture her, they can figure out what’s special about her and use that information to make palpatine clones.
I hope Omegas storyline doesn’t end up like Grogu of getting captured by the empire for blood.
I thought it was a great episode! Granted assaj ventress is one of my favorite characters to come out of the clone wars tv show, I thought it was very wholesome how they hit it off with Omega. I went ahead and rewatched the bit from Rebels where Kanan is testing Ezra, and realized just how much these master-apprentice moments reveal about the characters. Also made me realize in retrospect how good of a show Rebels was. If you discount for the feels I had about clone wars ending when it was released and it’s radically different concept from the clone wars series, turns out it was a great show. I would even dare compare it to the likes of Firefly and Cowboy Bebop as one of the best space westerns of all time.
Dark disciple was supposed to be an 8 episode Clone Wars arc, Disney could allow Lucasfilm to release it as its own mini series. I would love to see that story told on screen.
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She was in the trailer.
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Dark disciple is such an amazing novel. If anybody hasn’t read it, I strongly suggest you do
It’s definitely an emotional rollercoaster.
After watching this episode of bad batch, I really want to see dark disciple as a TV movie from its original episode arc of TCW that never happened.
guess I'm with the few who are glad Ventress is fine and doing well, Also I like she schooled the naive deserters(TBB). I guess its like a high level deserter meets a group of low level deserters.
I believe for the tales of the jedi season 2 they'll adapt the Dark Disciple arc and explore Ventress more, now that people are interested in what happened to her before the bad batch.
nine things about Ventress Lift by her story check it roll the chip that is overdone it too much for her okay thai time to wrap-up thank you she will say her own words not my on my Breakdown live-Action.
1. Disney Star Wars has a problem of just letting characters die. Like seriously, why does everyone need to cheat death and somehow return?
2. Once or twice you can get away with but come on it's so old the concept is 6 feet under by now.
3. In the EU, Ventress was allegedly dead, but actually survived and it was open in that too. At least in Canon, she survived too.
4. It's better than Ventress wanting to just go away from the Clone Wars and everything else. The sort of stormy weather seems very ominous like a calm before the storm, from the trailer we see the Empire find the bad batch so that’s gotta be within the next few episodes.
5. I think the episode was completely fine, maybe they alluded to something bigger in the trailer but we still have more episodes for that to be true. People say this is just "filler" but I'm convinced people don't know what that means, this episode was vital to the story, and just because it didn't have some big imperial/clone fight that doesn't mean it's any less important of an episode.
6. I gotta say, that hand-to-hand fight between Wrecker, Hunter, and Crosshair vs. Ventress was so slick. It seriously gives even the mocap fight between Ahsoka and Maul a run for its money. Your optimism about Star Wars quality is a nice change from everyone else who has given up and a reason I still keep watching you.
7. I can't be the only one shipping Ventress and Crosshair, can I? I can just imagine them sitting grumpily together, bonding over how disappointing people are. I think she realized that omega was unknowingly affecting her dog companion through the force. I honestly didn’t think about that until this episode.
8. She’s a Nightsister and was buried on Dathomir by Voss and Kenobi. That’s all the explanation I need. I wouldn't be surprised if Captain Enoch turns out to be a good guy. Don't forget about Tales of the Jedi season 2.
9. Just the way things have been set up it's looking like this next season will be the retelling of Dark Disciple in the short form. As for the next long-form show, I think they'll pause with Omega and explore something new maybe the High Republic to further expand that era. I could see her appear in Tales of the Jedi.
Suprise people forget about nightsister magic which can bring the dead back. Results would be different to someone recently killed.
Haven’t been keeping up with the recent SW animated shows but my god this art style is incredible. I’d watch a new SW movie if it looked like this
Pretty sure we will learn the story what happened with Ventress either in Tales of the Jedi Season 2 or in a separate series. If I would have to guess, the goal here was probably more to show she's alive and check the interest about this character reappearance
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I quite liked this episode! I thought it was great! Could just be me, I appreciated them focusing on the Bad-Batch instead of just suddenly focusing on Ventress for a few episodes. I believe this could be a teaser for the next animated series, but that’s just a personal theory.
I feel like id have been less upset if the trailer hadnt teased/spoiled it. Like, i loved the episode. Its a pretty decent way to throw in a legacy character, and give her reason to be there (a force-wielding bounty hunter fits the Batchs needs, and matches their current set of connections, it makes a LOT of sense, honestly). If it had come out of nowhere, without the trailer, id be fine with her being a single episode exposition dump and plot-hook delivery system. The excitement of her showing up would BE a climax of this particular plot thread. But with the trailer spoiling it... it just ends up feeling like shes only there to justify having her in the trailer...