Grover isn't supposed to know all of those things. He's not supposed to be THE guy at this point. The best advice I can say is to let em cook. And we might disagree, but i love the way each villain is being portrayed. Medusa was played very well, I loved the ominous vibes of Echidna, because she set the tone and the kids didnt know what to do, more so when they realized who she is. I can agree about the oracle, and the fast pacing. But the biggest thing that I'm doing is that the books were made in a vacuum of each, where the shows can now split the story all over the seasons, and things that will come into play into later seasons. I trust in the vision of Uncle Rick overall, and I think him getting to redo the structure of the entire story has been really cool to see. But i think what you are wanting vs what people are going to get are going to be very different. It's a show meant for a younger audience vs if it was done for teens or even young adults.
I feel like people are impatient to let the story unfold. "We need to know this that and this other thing?" I've never read the books but it feels like theyre building up to showing us what the stakes are, like we're taking the ride along with him. Things are explained as he goes. He's gaining knowledge as he travels. He has no idea how crazy a battle of the gods would be, like let them hit us in the sternum with that later. Things are steadily being flushed out making me want to know more and too many shows give everything too fast so I like the info drops.
I'm only comparing it to information we already have at this point in the book. That information has to be squeezed in somewhere and doing it in the final act might be clunky. Won't know until we see it.
@@NerdyNightly Yeah there's been a couple of moments of you going "why art they explaining this?" "why did they cut this?" and they explain it show it 2 scenes later or in the next ep
I reaaaally think youre downplaying grovers role as an empathic and emotional support for both annabeth and percy literally last episode they wouldnt have been able to properly communicate their feelings to one another without grover being there to mediate and act as glue for both of them. And again this episode grover acts as a subtle glue for both of them since he has history with both. Even in the books his role serves more as thebsupport to the main characters than anyone who stands out with skills because without grover annabeth wouldnt get along and neither would survive
I think the most glaring issue with the show is the length of the episodes, make each one an hour- keep some of the pacing, keep the changes but add more detail, give the characters more time, cut away from the main characters and do build up that way (in addition the cut away scenes they already have in there). I do think this suffers from the pg rating really fudged it too. I do think that the trio are wonderfully played and have amazing chemistry.
Seems like they’re choosing to spread out the lore across the show (fates are in the preview of the next episode) and while the episodes have felt short the back half of the book is much more plot heavy, so prehaps they’ll be much longer going forward. Will have to wait and see.
Rick helped write the show* Rick isn't perfect and neither are the producers he is working with. His involvement is not some shield as to criticism of the quality of the show, even in comparison with the books. This is also his first time being involved in the production of a show. That should say enough as is.
authors make changes all the time, that doesn't mean they're always for the best. Stories being written, then rewritten, then rewritten again, and so on happen all the time.
My read about the switch of the scenes about the quest is to give Percy some agency on the choice to go. The oracle is like… the confirmation, but not the starter point of the quest.
@@NerdyNightly yeah! That talk came out of nowhere. They could have foreshadow the Zeus vs Poseidon feud since the beginning with climate change and stuff…
@@diogosimao I think the show said something like "a quest isn't a quest till the Oracle says so". There you have it. It's gotta happen because it's gotta happen. It is what it is. Source: trust me bro.
What I like about Grover is that he's not very useful, but he really wants to be. The whole thing about him is that he has a huge task and he really struggles to fulfill it.
i feel like disney wasn’t putting that much confidence into the series. it’s the first season. i can definitely see this growing and becoming so amazing. especially with the next 4 books. it’ll be a journey that i’m just excited to see. i just hope next season there will be longer episodes AND more episodes.
Exactly, like we are fighting for our life’s rn trynna get a season 2 and people over here throwing tables over ONE word from the book not being mentioned or “not too much action” like bruh people are picky it’s so annoying when you actually enjoy it, I’ve red the book since I was little I love the new feelings and the familiarity at the same time like it’s not that deep
@@yuhziliawell fucking said 😭 i just don’t understand how people are so damn nit picky in expecting everything to be adapted exactly the same, ITS AN ADAPTATION!!?!! also, people forget that this book came out, what 20 years ago? , so some things are going to change just with the different period AND, they’re also setting up the much larger storyline and world. my one complaint is the lengths of the episodes, but i rather have a good story than a lost one
Exactly I think with the way this show is just exploding in popularity it would be surprising not to get more seasons. Then they can build that context nerdy is mentioning. More eyes on the show will better that chance for sure.
@@yuhzilia Except that's not what Nerdy is doing. He's making some actually very good points about structure, plot, character development, etc. He's not saying it's bad, but he does have serious points about the places where the adaptation fails at its job. Critiquing the flaws of the things you enjoy is important, because if no one does then there's almost no chance it will improve at all
@@peterlewis2178that’s were you are wrong by saying it’s “failing” Rick Riodan said he purposely made some changes that he wasn’t able to do with the books and added the to the show, the changes are happening on purpose which is why you have to watch the show with an open mind and not what everything has to do with the book cause the author himself made those changes
Most Disney plus tv show doesn't have episodes longer than 45 mins. If that's the base rule, the writers will then have to work around that hurdle. What we think will work great if they have done it like it was in the books, will probably not in the writer's room because of screenplay writing, which we all know is a whole new world compared to manuscript writing.
@@NerdyNightly Definitely agree, I think this is a Disney problem, because a lot of the Marvel shows hav very short episodes too, and just feel like movies broken down into episodes instead of giving them time and letting them be shows. Moon Knight, as much as I loved it, had the same problem. It works as a movie but it feels very rushed as a season.
I think claruss nailed it when she said that it’s trying to speak to young children and that’s why it’s so fast paced and shallow where the book was deeper. I think it’s just the influence of Disney. They always have a tendency to talk down to their audience when trying to be for the kids
Grover is the heart of the group. Percy is the leader and Anabeth is the smart guy. The group would have fallen apart before Trenton if he wasn't there
Honestly I’m glad PJO tv series is getting the strength of good MC characterisation of Percy andAnnabeth that I never got with the golden trio in the Harry Potter movies( the movie versions of characters just are not as good as or near as deep as their book versions good movies but it’s true) walker and Leah are crushing it so harddd . I’m rooting for Grover to be handled a little better tho!
The things is, they didn't show enough. They didn't show Luke's and Annabeth's relationship, they only talk about it. They didn't show the conflict between Zeus and Poseidon, they only talked about it. They didn't show the campes' resentment of their parents, they only said as much. I think if they had focused more on showing that at the beginning (which, again, leads us into the discussion of longer episodes), the world would have felt a little fuller.
@@poisonxivy8602 But that’s how a story works, especially the books. Showing Zeus vs Poseidon and their discussion would take the main focus from Percy to their conflict, something we know isn’t the focus of the character since he is only doing this to save his mom. Annabeth and Luke relationship is slowly being shown and take needs conversation, there is no way to do it without it.
I know some people don't like your more critical comments, but I'm completely here for them. I honestly love that you're so passionate about it, and I think it's important to critique it, especially if we want it to be better in future seasons. It's also just nice to see someone acknowledge those flaws.
Because it came up in this ep - if the cops hold you for questioning over something you should say 1) Am I under arrest? (If yes, ask for a lawyer. If no, go to 2) 2) Am I free to go? (If no, then ask for a lawyer.)
Ikr Tbf tho I think Grovers role as the emotional heart of the group kinda suffers when the pace of the show is so quick. Therefore he seems kinda useless so far, bc he doesn’t contribute that much in the action scenes. It’s really a shame, and I hope he gets his time to shine, if not in this season, then future ones.
Like my child 🥺 also if I remember correctly in the books he was always more non confrontational in general and new to a lot of things just like Percy.
@@chris_1103 I know how old he is. He’s 24 physically, but mentally he’s around the same age as Percy and Annabeth. Satyrs age slower than Humans and Demigods.
The adaptation is very good. Irs a very very hard property to adapt and I think they are doing a good job. They aren’t going to throw it all out at once. We will slowly get more and more as we go.
@@eleasy1976To you lol, idk why people like you think your opinion overrides the majority of the positive reviews the show has received. It’s just not your preference and that’s okay.
@eleasy1976 All I'm going to say is if there's MILLIONS of people who can ALL agree that the show is good vs one douchebag who is just being a lowlife hater than chances are its a good show 🤷 Your just being a hater & if you have nothing better to do with your life then get on somewhere
Remember, though, however rushed this feels, the film adaptation is done in less than 2 hours total, so it would effectively be over by this point already. Part of why I was glad this was getting a TV show, was to correct that and well, yeah, somehow it's still rushed. I don't really think the show is relying on book knowledge. It's just that some of the points were covered quickly, as you say, like the raw power of The Mist... and ironically seem to have been missed.
Really interesting to hear your thoughts whilst reading the book upto this point. It's been a long, long time since I read them but I've also got enough in the back of my memory to fill in gaps and not notice them - so I really appreciate the thoughts you've brought. This is a weird show. What's adapted is great, really well done, really well shown, really well produced. I'm starting to see the weirdness as the almost arbitrary choice of what was adapted and what was left out. It's like they picked out key scenes and mapped them out against the episode count and didn't really have a feel of connective tissue between them. It's a very rare thing, this is both a great adaptation and a bad one. In terms of what has been brought to screen and how carefully it's been produced and the cast and the absolutely beautiful CGI it hits it out the park compared to many others. It also brings excitement and some heart. The really short episode length though cripples what they can actually bring to the screen which hobbles the adaptation. I'm still really glad it's been made with such love even if some studio decisions gave it a limitation. Maybe if the next book gets greenlit for adaptation they'll have more confidence and give them a bit more time to breathe and adapt the more character bits.
I really do agree with you on all these points. I feel like I’m being harder on the shows faults because the success’ of the show are so well done, so I know there is potential here
I think it’s unreasonable to want everything that’s in the book showed not only it’s an ADAPTATION meaning there will be some differences. especially when in the books everything is from percy’s POV. also it’s 8 episodes and short time. As a book reader I can always go back to read the books for more details but I really wasn’t going into the show thinking they were gonna add EVERYTHING that’s in the book. you need to be serious and stop nitpicking
adapting 100% of the story and adapting, maybe 25%, of the story arent the same thing. disney has the power, budget and resources to increase episode length and count, infact its quite literally their decision to have such a short runtime. longer episodes can easily fix most of the problems in the show, including pacing, world building, and having actual conversational dialogue, maybe getting the characters personalities correct. Also, nitpicking is small things like, "in the books, percy and sally eat a lot of different types of blue food, but in the show its just a small bag of blue beans." not "Hey, why would the producers of the show decide to have short episodes, but then rush through 40% of the books in 2 episodes. they cut out a lot of world building, and general character arc details.
@@NerdyNightly I'm happy about that, and as a fan for many years I was a little saddened by some of the valid questions you asked about the war the gods are in. Did this become clear to you reading the books?
it does make a lot of sense that disney is trying to downplay this for kids, speeding things up and doing a lot exposition (not as heavy as ep 1&2 were, but it can still be seen) after all, most of their content is "family friendly", but what I think they failed to understand is that most of the pjo hardcore fanbase are young adults and adults who don't need nor want this to be downplayed and are completely okay with the runtimes of the eps being longer. I'm sure we're getting a S2 so I hope they fix this by then, or that at least we don't have another silly run of 20-ish minutes, which is how long this ep was without the recap and credits.
Then I thinks it’s time for some of the adults to realize that maybe they have grown from the Percy Jackson series. The series was always a book for kids so it’s not downplaying lol . The show is introducing it to a new generation of children. It shouldn’t have to cater to adults and this is coming from a young adult who is a huge fan of the books.
This seems to be a pattern Disney is starting of fewer, shorter episodes, figure it out within the boundaries. But for adapting the book, you need so much more
With your other reactions I felt like I was watching a different show, now that you are reading the book I feel like we've read a different book! Lol Seriously the book is a lot of fun but reading ut for the first time at 25 I did find the emotional investment to be basically zero. Here instead talks like the one Annabeth and Percy have on the train or in the museum are EXACTLY what was missing for me in the book and I'm glad the show isn't just then facing one monster afte the other
I'm so glad that you are now a book-reader reactor. You were driving me bonkers with previous episodes since you obviously didn't get it. Thanks so much for starting the books.
I honestly couldn't get through this reaction. He spent the entire intro praising the book. Everyone knows the books are better most of the time and I really didn't need that beaten into my head then they start the episode and immediately nitpick the entire thing. This is why I tend to stay away from any channel with the word nerdy in it's name cuz I don't necessarily enjoy war hung someone complain the whole time they watch something. Being critical and voicing your opinion is fine but overly negative is a huge time waste
this episode made me feel the that the episodes are too short... personally i feel like most of the changes are meant to show how the main conflict of the show (in 5 potential seasons, not just this one) effects everything and everyone, annabeth, percy, medusa and echidna for example, keep bringing up the main reason for the plot of the series, not just the season. that, with 30 minutes episode cause for some of the show feel rushed (ep 4) while other parst feel better than the book (ep 3) when looking at the show from the prespective of someone that read all of the books
Ok, so I'm making a petition from now on the algorit goddess in any reaction has to be Sally Jackson, every reaction even in the one she doesn't appear because she's the best and deserves the love
This seems like an unpopular opinion, but I completely agree with nerdy's assessment on the first 2 episodes, the tone feels off, very little is actually explained, and it feels like we don't know the characters well enough, it's not bad, but as a fan of the books, it doesn't live up to the enjoyment I got from the source material. So glad Nerdy had the same opinion, because I felt like I was the only one. Thanks for your honest thoughts! Also, to those who say "let the story play out", while you could explain more things later down the line, it is still to the detriment of the show because you spend a lot of it as a viewer confused and bewildered. Try to watch the first episodes as if you know nothing about the books, from a new viewers perspective, I think things would be very confusing.
They "Ron Weasley'd" Grover. Ron had so much more depth and character in the books, and in the movies, he's just the funny best friend. They are doing Harry Potter, but with Greek mythology.
Yeah so happy Nerdy is reading the books now I can stop screaming in my cellphone about how the story does makes sense kkkkkk, Nerdy if you are reading this I'm just kidding please don't get offended. I read the books and am a fan of the riordanverse for a reaaaaally long time so the series works for me well enough, even if some of your questions does make sense if taking in account only the info that the series presents (others I think is too much of a nitpick but you do you) I liked this reaction a lot And also after the movies my expectations for the series was at the bottom of Tartarus so this helped kkkkkkk
The length of the episodes is a disney plus problem with every show. They did it with the star wars shows also. They dont always need to be an hour, 45 minutes should be the minimum.
I think the show is a really solid adaptation but I agree that it's blazing through a lot of the buildup and development from the book that detracts from it a little. Still enjoying it quite a bit though, and it's leagues better than the awful movie.
So glad you actually started reading the book🤣 my only clap back is that you complained about exposition in the first episode and in the book it's almost all exposition for that info🤣. Though I do agree that with a show you have more time so why cut it. I feel like somehow this was the best balance they could do for story, and effects within the budget without having SiFi level effects to get more episodes. Also keeping things but switching them around keeps it kind of fresh for book readers.
I feel both mediums are great and thinking on it there is a lot of the book still missing in places but still a fantastic adaptation as far as adaptations go but the series and world is epic as a whole. Glad you are enjoying both of them though.
I understand the comparison and all. Every fan will always compare the movies with the book, or the tv show with the movie or book. But I don't want to be like that anymore. If what is happening on screen isn't bothersome, I would just watch it, and not say "but in the books" here, and "in the books" there. But again, I understand the comparison, it is inevitable. With the upcoming Harry Potter tv show, it will definitely be compared with the movies and the books.
@@NerdyNightly Yeah, you were right though when you said the show is made with the assumption that the audience has read the book/s. I guess with the author being one of the writers, their main goal was for the show to be better than the movie. Change some unnecessary things without changing the entire framework of the plot, the character dynamics and the overall spirit and vibe. And I think they are doing great. If it is really confusing for those who haven't read the books, well just like what Annabeth said, "I'm so sorry to hear that."
@@hikari9262 But they left out a lot of stuff that was really important, such as, as Nerdy mentioned, how and when the Bolt was stolen. They also have not once named Riptide in this adaptation even though they've had plenty of opportunity to do so.
I think the episode length and amount might be a Disney decision. All the setup/world building seems to be peppered in throughout the show. The most important things to know is given and then we can expand the world at another time so there isn't a ton of exposition all at once. But yeah this episode could have been longer
I enjoyed the cast better this ep, the show making Annabeth mostly standoffish and distant in eps 2&3 didn’t work with the strength of the actor who felt right this week now she is allowed to demonstrate personality. The only issue I had beyond it being oddly short was the ending felt abrupt like Percy shoulda have been told something or we saw him swim out. It feels like it cut mid-scene
This was the first episode where I really felt how short the episodes are. I almost wonder if I’d appreciate it more if I’d waited to binge it, then maybe it would just feel like a 4 hour movie, instead of 30 minutes each week.
The show suffers from the 8 episode curse like so many shows on streaming these days. If the show had two more episodes it could have dedicated those to spending more time in Camp Halfblood, but as it stands the remaining four episodes are each going to cover CRITICAL plot beats that need to have a full episode dedicated each (as did Medusa, as did Echidna and the fall from the St. Louis Arch). The fact that everything from the Camp Halfblood section of the book gets condensed into just episode 2 is a huge pacing issue and it leads to the first two episodes feeling rushed as all hell. I wish streaming platforms would stop skimping on episodes and give seasons a full 10 or 12 episodes instead of barely skirting by on 8. EDIT: Also to clarify, I don't agree with all of Nerdy's criticisms (or even most of them, I think he's nitpicking) but I do think the adaptation suffers from being so few episodes. I don't think the solution is longer episodes, because most of the story beats don't need an hour, they only need the 30 minutes or so that we're getting, but we needed a few more episodes to breathe early on and to establish the world and the tone. Beyond that, I still love this adaptation dearly and think it's a great job. I believe that as the seasons go on it will only get better and better
Dude. My favourite book growing up was Alexandre Dumas' Three Musketeers and i discovered in 1973 that the book is ALWAYS better than the filmic adaptation, lol.
This isn't always true, but in almost all instances that the show/film is better than the book, it's because the book wasn't very good. If the bar set by the book isn't too high, it is much easier to clear it. I think, in part, it's just that most books have stories that are best told as books. You'll also find that most novelisations of films are worse than the films, because again, the film's story was conceptualised as a visual product.
i really think they’re so short because of Disney. I dont think they had much faith in the show cus it’s the first season, and didn’t want to spend the money i guess. But im hoping this season is so successful that they up the budget & make the eps longer for the future
@@NerdyNightly Yeah I actually remember reading something about it having the highest budget of any Disney + original when it was first starting production. This wasn't just a show they threw at the wall, they really invested in it.
Grover is a weird character. He’s pretty useless in the first two books but he grows to become his own character. Eventually his adventure and Percy’s is separated but it is organic- this point in the book Grover is Percy’s emotional cornerstone- it eventually becomes other characters but right now Percy’s world is basically Grover and his Mom.
I am so happy that Nerdy gets to experience the book now. The story is just wayyy too good and, like you said before, the show actually ~was~ the thing that convinced you to read the book! I personally really enjoyed this episode, I think that the character stuff in this one was great. I agree about the Echidna scene and I agree about the runtime, but I also think that the show does a decent job of adding to the book, which is interesting as some things they either cut out or haven't shown yet. And I believe that Grover's story is still coming, but I am also dissatisfied with the absence of reasoning for him to go to the quest. (beginning of the book spoilers) The Fates are still coming. At first, I theorized that they've moved them to the end, but actually, they didn't, they've just moved them farther along (you can see them in the preview for the next episode)
I cant say for certain, but Im pretty sure the reason the episodes are so short has something to do with the budget disney gave them. Disney has been having a rough go recently with flop after flop so they were probably being very stingy with the budget.
Nerdy's not wrong that the thing that is most sorely missing could be added relatively cheaply. Most of what is missing could be provided in dialogue on the sets that they already built.
I absolutely agree. The show production value and acting is great, but the writing lacks depth in comparison to the books. I don’t know if that is on the writers or on Disney making demands on the writers. I think Clarus is right, they are trying to cater to what they think kids can handle. I think this is an insult to kids’ intelligence.
"Read the book, it is a better version of this" Hard disagree 😅 I fell in love with this show immediately as a non-book reader. Could not find fault with it. Got excited and decided to start reading the first book. It has failed to keep my interest to the point that I'm procrastinating so hard on reading more of it. Granted, I'm not that far into it, so maybe it picks up, but like, so far, the show tells the story a lot better in my opinion 😂😅🤷 Edit: I think I figured it out, as I continued to listen to your discussion. My imagination is such that, I don't need the show to show me stuff, if they tell me, my brain fills in the blanks. Like, for example, you said that you didn't see enough of Percy and Grover bonding. But the show told us they have been friends for YEARS. Why do we need to see them bonding at this point? They are already bonded. And when you were talking about the Fates and assuming they "cut" them. Slight spoiler: They're doing the order of events differently in the show than in the book, and I personally like the way the Fates are used in the show 🤷
well they scout for half bloods, and if they find them they’re supposed to bring them to camp half blood. they’re able to smell demigods and monsters as well.
After this episode, I decided to separate the books and this show in my mind. There are too many things that I don't like about this adaptation, but as a separate show it's engaging enough to keep watching it. I just want to enjoy it as much as I can, without constantly comparing it to the books.
@@NerdyNightlycause in the books you are in Percy’s head you are experiencing so many things through his head obviously it’s gonna be different from watching Percy from another perspective, and plus the author wanted to make some changes that he didn’t have the opportunity with the books so y’all should really separate them, or just stick to the books if you think every little detail matter THAT much.
This is me as well. I see the differences, but I don't get bothered with it. It's not bothersome unlike when the movies merged Annabeth and Clarisse into 1 character. That type of change would definitely bother me. But if the framework of the story remains, along with the spirit and vibe of the book, then why would I complain. I can see what they were doing with the character dynamics as well, and it is a good portrayal for this medium, because book writing is different from screenplay writing.
You're right, I'm really enjoying the show but they are cutting a lot of the world building and important story details, and not everything is making sense just in the context of the show. Hope they do better in the latter half and the upcoming seasons.
I gotta wonder if there's strike stuff or kid actor stuff that didn't let them film enough for longer episodes? Or was it just Disney Channel nonsense? Why 30 minute eps??
Money. It's expensive to shoot with kids. They can't make the episodes an hour long, or it would take a year to film it all. And that would be very very expensive.
@@NerdyNightlyI feel like Disney, known for creating content for and about kids should know how to make shows with kids. Then again, I don't know how well they treat their child actors and I definitely wouldn't want them working longer than they have to. I'm guessing the rush is about not wanting the kids to be visibly older and so rushing the filming and release. Even Stranger Things padded out their runtime with adult sideplots. Who knows why executives make the decisions they do.
I want to say that books 3-5 of the Percy Jackson franchise i lile more than 1st, so I really want them to make at least 5 seasons. Also i will not spoil, but when you'll finish first book i think you would be shocked how much 2010 film changed the final - that as for me is the main reason why films were hated.
They reallly misjudged the age group they are pandering to. The books were released in 2006. The movies in 2010s. Like the average audience are mid-20s to 30s (adults) which is why I was skeptical of Disney making them.
I think a lot of people are forgetting... this is a disney kids' show. No matter how much of an adult you are now after reading the books 10+ years ago, it's for kids NOW. I remember being a kid, and not really caring if a plot was 100% thought out. Because I and a lot of other kids didnt see the world that way. The books were kind of the same way. It wasn't until Titans curse that the story became more mature and slowly grew with the reader. So kindly stop overthinking everything. You are actively taking fun away from yourself. Just let the story take the pace it wants, and see how it handles itself at the end of the season.
Yes. But again, a book for YA has a lot more freedom to talk about dark themes than Disney will ever allow. It's the same thing that happened in Hercules. So comparing the book to the show was never going to be 100% right. It is its own thing. Just try and enjoy it, but remember it's for kids through the lens of Disney.
That's a terrible excuse. Just because kids don't care as much or can't see as much when something is flawed, does not give people license to make things flawed. We need to give kids more credit and not always look down on them
@@tylerrushford7609 It may be an excuse, but that doesn't mean it's right. Most of the points that Nerdy brought up weren't just not "fleshing everything out right away". They were structural flaws in the storytelling and task of adaptation. I'm not saying we should allow that to prevent us from enjoying it. I've always been one for looking past flaws in media so I can enjoy it. And despite his critical remarks, Nerdy does seem to still enjoy the show. But just because you can look past flaws to enjoy something doesn't mean you can't still notice and critique those flaws, and I think this show is deserving of those critiques, especially because it is pretty good and can be so much better.
Read the book and still a hater lol. Reading a few chapters in or even the first book won't give you the perspective of the people who's been done reading and re-reading for a while now. Sure it makes sense in the first book. But then you catch the inconsistencies along the way that the show finally fixed. 9:17 a third in for what? 😭 You can't beat an _unknown_ monster with 3 lucky stabs, what. That would be more stupid lol. That opportunity would be best wasted on an escape like they did. Enchida wasn't their priority anyway. 9:49 He's already doing more than book grover :) You'd rather him moan about food and chewing on cans nervously? Didn't he pass out in the book when the car crashed and Percy had to carry him? No hate on book-Grover but I'm not letting this show-Grover slander slide. An adaptation is and shouldn't be a word for word anyway. You complained that in the book Grover had a bigger purpose for coming and in the show he was there coz Percy just chose him. But it's ..true that he was literally only in the quest _because_ Percy chose him. He _couldn't_ have volunteered for extra points (which they gain by getting a demigod into the camp safely, the stronger the demigod the better bc that means you've protected them from countless monsters). So being a searcher isn't even why Grover came, he came because Percy's his friend. The Searcher of Pan thing? _Every_ satyr has that dream and Grover has been aiming for it even before Percy arrived so giving that information like it's crucial when it isn't for the 1st books plot, is just redundant. Especially since (spoiler) that's covered in the second book, _that_ one covers Grover. _This_ is about Percy. And another book is for Annabeth. SO they're still just teasing that; The cloven council in the second ep where he gets evaluated, him telling Percy about the Searchers, a sprinkle of his uncles journey, it's all just foreshadowing and that's how it should be.
The books are great but if you’re looking for something similar after them but with Norse gods follow it up with the Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard series
I’m glad you are reading the book. I like the criticism of the Disney adaptation but the jokes in the first few watch throughs were rough because I knew you were missing a lot of knowledge and background.
Nerdy I love your reactions to this world I have loved for most of my childhood. However I feel like you can be overly negative and nitpicky. Just sit back and enjoy the art.
Doesn't mean the author can't mess up. Writing a book isn't the same thing as writing a script. Rowling proved that with Fantastic Beasts. Not every author can translate well what they wrote in a book into a script.
Yes he is. And he has chosen to change a few things and slowly introduce the world. Adaptation is hard but this is a pretty darn good one tbh and I’m a big reader who had seen many shitty Ones. This is not It
@@maciedixon3983so true, I always get frustrated when I hear for Percy Jackson “but in the books” yet they are such small changes in the grand scheme of things.
I've not read the books, but my biggest question about Percy and the Quest, was, why is he so against going on the quest? Like I get that he couldn't give a rats ass about the Master Bolt and his father, so screw them I'm not going on their quest. But he's the only person who cares about his mother, and can go on the quest, so him being against it felt so...cliche' and confusing, and nonsensical.
that’s what happened? he didn’t care about the quest until grover revealed that his mother is where they’re supposed to retrieve the master bolt. then that’s when percy agreed to go.
Percy didn't care about the quest at first. *Then* Grover revealed that Percy might be able to bring back his mother while in the Underworld and Percy's *immediate* reaction was "when do we leave?" I don't know how this could be any clearer in the show.
Honestly I disagree with you here nerdy, obviously the book will have more detail but this is a really good adaptation especially compared to the movie
Don't over things it I have been a long time fan and as a fan of the book I live every minute of it . the show is having a good time i don't understand what you are talking about about each episode is getting better in my opinion.
Grover isn't supposed to know all of those things. He's not supposed to be THE guy at this point. The best advice I can say is to let em cook.
And we might disagree, but i love the way each villain is being portrayed. Medusa was played very well, I loved the ominous vibes of Echidna, because she set the tone and the kids didnt know what to do, more so when they realized who she is.
I can agree about the oracle, and the fast pacing. But the biggest thing that I'm doing is that the books were made in a vacuum of each, where the shows can now split the story all over the seasons, and things that will come into play into later seasons. I trust in the vision of Uncle Rick overall, and I think him getting to redo the structure of the entire story has been really cool to see.
But i think what you are wanting vs what people are going to get are going to be very different. It's a show meant for a younger audience vs if it was done for teens or even young adults.
I feel like people are impatient to let the story unfold. "We need to know this that and this other thing?" I've never read the books but it feels like theyre building up to showing us what the stakes are, like we're taking the ride along with him. Things are explained as he goes. He's gaining knowledge as he travels. He has no idea how crazy a battle of the gods would be, like let them hit us in the sternum with that later. Things are steadily being flushed out making me want to know more and too many shows give everything too fast so I like the info drops.
I'm only comparing it to information we already have at this point in the book. That information has to be squeezed in somewhere and doing it in the final act might be clunky. Won't know until we see it.
@@NerdyNightly Yeah there's been a couple of moments of you going "why art they explaining this?" "why did they cut this?" and they explain it show it 2 scenes later or in the next ep
I reaaaally think youre downplaying grovers role as an empathic and emotional support for both annabeth and percy literally last episode they wouldnt have been able to properly communicate their feelings to one another without grover being there to mediate and act as glue for both of them. And again this episode grover acts as a subtle glue for both of them since he has history with both. Even in the books his role serves more as thebsupport to the main characters than anyone who stands out with skills because without grover annabeth wouldnt get along and neither would survive
I think the most glaring issue with the show is the length of the episodes, make each one an hour- keep some of the pacing, keep the changes but add more detail, give the characters more time, cut away from the main characters and do build up that way (in addition the cut away scenes they already have in there). I do think this suffers from the pg rating really fudged it too. I do think that the trio are wonderfully played and have amazing chemistry.
The book is PG. It is a middle grade book. It's a show for kids. Not adults.
Agreed that the episodes need more time. Hopefully next season we get 1 hour episodes 🤌😩
Y'all do realize that Percy Jackson is a CHILDRENS/Young Adult book right 💀 The book itself is PG, its supposed to be for Young Adults
Seems like they’re choosing to spread out the lore across the show (fates are in the preview of the next episode) and while the episodes have felt short the back half of the book is much more plot heavy, so prehaps they’ll be much longer going forward. Will have to wait and see.
Rick Riordan wrote the show. He made the changes he felt that were necessary. The breaks are for those with ads on Disney+
Rick helped write the show* Rick isn't perfect and neither are the producers he is working with. His involvement is not some shield as to criticism of the quality of the show, even in comparison with the books. This is also his first time being involved in the production of a show. That should say enough as is.
authors make changes all the time, that doesn't mean they're always for the best. Stories being written, then rewritten, then rewritten again, and so on happen all the time.
My read about the switch of the scenes about the quest is to give Percy some agency on the choice to go. The oracle is like… the confirmation, but not the starter point of the quest.
Sure, but if you want to change that you have to come up with a new motivation for the conversation in my ppinion
@@NerdyNightly yeah! That talk came out of nowhere. They could have foreshadow the Zeus vs Poseidon feud since the beginning with climate change and stuff…
Like oh by the way…all the weird stuff you are seeing is your father and your uncle fighting and well you are in the middle of it kkkkkkkkk
@@diogosimao I think the show said something like "a quest isn't a quest till the Oracle says so". There you have it. It's gotta happen because it's gotta happen. It is what it is. Source: trust me bro.
@@JJ_6036 yep. This is true.
Percy Jackson is just the classic hero's journey while coming of age with greek mythological characters set in the modern world.
What I like about Grover is that he's not very useful, but he really wants to be. The whole thing about him is that he has a huge task and he really struggles to fulfill it.
i feel like disney wasn’t putting that much confidence into the series. it’s the first season. i can definitely see this growing and becoming so amazing. especially with the next 4 books. it’ll be a journey that i’m just excited to see. i just hope next season there will be longer episodes AND more episodes.
Exactly, like we are fighting for our life’s rn trynna get a season 2 and people over here throwing tables over ONE word from the book not being mentioned or “not too much action” like bruh people are picky it’s so annoying when you actually enjoy it, I’ve red the book since I was little I love the new feelings and the familiarity at the same time like it’s not that deep
@@yuhziliawell fucking said 😭 i just don’t understand how people are so damn nit picky in expecting everything to be adapted exactly the same, ITS AN ADAPTATION!!?!! also, people forget that this book came out, what 20 years ago? , so some things are going to change just with the different period AND, they’re also setting up the much larger storyline and world.
my one complaint is the lengths of the episodes, but i rather have a good story than a lost one
Exactly I think with the way this show is just exploding in popularity it would be surprising not to get more seasons. Then they can build that context nerdy is mentioning. More eyes on the show will better that chance for sure.
@@yuhzilia Except that's not what Nerdy is doing. He's making some actually very good points about structure, plot, character development, etc. He's not saying it's bad, but he does have serious points about the places where the adaptation fails at its job. Critiquing the flaws of the things you enjoy is important, because if no one does then there's almost no chance it will improve at all
@@peterlewis2178that’s were you are wrong by saying it’s “failing” Rick Riodan said he purposely made some changes that he wasn’t able to do with the books and added the to the show, the changes are happening on purpose which is why you have to watch the show with an open mind and not what everything has to do with the book cause the author himself made those changes
Most Disney plus tv show doesn't have episodes longer than 45 mins.
If that's the base rule, the writers will then have to work around that hurdle.
What we think will work great if they have done it like it was in the books, will probably not in the writer's room because of screenplay writing, which we all know is a whole new world compared to manuscript writing.
Give me 42 minute episodes. Thats been the standard for 5 decades and it was working, these 30 minutes runtimes are not in my opinion
@@NerdyNightly Definitely agree, I think this is a Disney problem, because a lot of the Marvel shows hav very short episodes too, and just feel like movies broken down into episodes instead of giving them time and letting them be shows. Moon Knight, as much as I loved it, had the same problem. It works as a movie but it feels very rushed as a season.
@@NerdyNightly childish
I think claruss nailed it when she said that it’s trying to speak to young children and that’s why it’s so fast paced and shallow where the book was deeper. I think it’s just the influence of Disney. They always have a tendency to talk down to their audience when trying to be for the kids
Yeah I feel like HBO or Starz would have done a killer adaption of this
Grover is the heart of the group. Percy is the leader and Anabeth is the smart guy. The group would have fallen apart before Trenton if he wasn't there
Honestly I’m glad PJO tv series is getting the strength of good MC characterisation of Percy andAnnabeth that I never got with the golden trio in the Harry Potter movies( the movie versions of characters just are not as good as or near as deep as their book versions good movies but it’s true) walker and Leah are crushing it so harddd . I’m rooting for Grover to be handled a little better tho!
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Fun Fact, you can actually do a road trip and visit all of the actual places that are mentioned in the book. He did an immense amount of research.
Except, of course, about the Arch. Rick "I thought it was closer" Riordan
@@Bhrymm lol, I mentioned that in another comment🤣
They can't keep explaining everything all the time in the tv show. They have to SHOW IT. It can't just be exposition all the time. Relax Nerdy.
Exactly!! And they showed it already!! Not trying to be rude but is Nerdy a little distracted or something like that?
The things is, they didn't show enough. They didn't show Luke's and Annabeth's relationship, they only talk about it. They didn't show the conflict between Zeus and Poseidon, they only talked about it. They didn't show the campes' resentment of their parents, they only said as much. I think if they had focused more on showing that at the beginning (which, again, leads us into the discussion of longer episodes), the world would have felt a little fuller.
They're also explaining AS THEY GO. People need to be patient.
@@poisonxivy8602 But that’s how a story works, especially the books. Showing Zeus vs Poseidon and their discussion would take the main focus from Percy to their conflict, something we know isn’t the focus of the character since he is only doing this to save his mom. Annabeth and Luke relationship is slowly being shown and take needs conversation, there is no way to do it without it.
@@poisonxivy8602 I mean if you aware of the Greek Mythology, you should know that Zeus and Poseidon are always Fighting each other..
Yes, there are two broken windows, and every car that the chimera went through has doors broken down and walls damaged.
Yeah the episodes should be longer. But that only complaint for me.
3:30 I love it when TH-camrs recommend reading the book, and in the case of you two that's a solid gold recommendation.
I know some people don't like your more critical comments, but I'm completely here for them. I honestly love that you're so passionate about it, and I think it's important to critique it, especially if we want it to be better in future seasons. It's also just nice to see someone acknowledge those flaws.
Same! I come fo reactions, but stay for discussions
Literally same for me. I really love the different takes between the two of them and them talking about the show
Because it came up in this ep - if the cops hold you for questioning over something you should say 1) Am I under arrest? (If yes, ask for a lawyer. If no, go to 2) 2) Am I free to go? (If no, then ask for a lawyer.)
Please leave Grover alone. He’s just a baby. 😂
Ikr
Tbf tho I think Grovers role as the emotional heart of the group kinda suffers when the pace of the show is so quick. Therefore he seems kinda useless so far, bc he doesn’t contribute that much in the action scenes. It’s really a shame, and I hope he gets his time to shine, if not in this season, then future ones.
Like my child 🥺 also if I remember correctly in the books he was always more non confrontational in general and new to a lot of things just like Percy.
He's actually 24 :)
@@chris_1103 I know how old he is. He’s 24 physically, but mentally he’s around the same age as Percy and Annabeth. Satyrs age slower than Humans and Demigods.
@mommyangel2151 yeah I know that you know, was supposed to be a joke 😅
The adaptation is very good. Irs a very very hard property to adapt and I think they are doing a good job. They aren’t going to throw it all out at once. We will slowly get more and more as we go.
It’s sad that people are so used to bad media that they think THIS is good. This show is objectively bad. Acting, pacing, dialogue…everything
@@eleasy1976To you lol, idk why people like you think your opinion overrides the majority of the positive reviews the show has received. It’s just not your preference and that’s okay.
@@eleasy1976 nah. The third episode was a little bit too exposition but would disagree with you. Be miserable if you want elsewhere
@eleasy1976 All I'm going to say is if there's MILLIONS of people who can ALL agree that the show is good vs one douchebag who is just being a lowlife hater than chances are its a good show 🤷 Your just being a hater & if you have nothing better to do with your life then get on somewhere
Remember, though, however rushed this feels, the film adaptation is done in less than 2 hours total, so it would effectively be over by this point already. Part of why I was glad this was getting a TV show, was to correct that and well, yeah, somehow it's still rushed. I don't really think the show is relying on book knowledge. It's just that some of the points were covered quickly, as you say, like the raw power of The Mist... and ironically seem to have been missed.
Really interesting to hear your thoughts whilst reading the book upto this point. It's been a long, long time since I read them but I've also got enough in the back of my memory to fill in gaps and not notice them - so I really appreciate the thoughts you've brought. This is a weird show. What's adapted is great, really well done, really well shown, really well produced. I'm starting to see the weirdness as the almost arbitrary choice of what was adapted and what was left out. It's like they picked out key scenes and mapped them out against the episode count and didn't really have a feel of connective tissue between them. It's a very rare thing, this is both a great adaptation and a bad one. In terms of what has been brought to screen and how carefully it's been produced and the cast and the absolutely beautiful CGI it hits it out the park compared to many others. It also brings excitement and some heart. The really short episode length though cripples what they can actually bring to the screen which hobbles the adaptation. I'm still really glad it's been made with such love even if some studio decisions gave it a limitation. Maybe if the next book gets greenlit for adaptation they'll have more confidence and give them a bit more time to breathe and adapt the more character bits.
I really do agree with you on all these points. I feel like I’m being harder on the shows faults because the success’ of the show are so well done, so I know there is potential here
the way i burst out laughing when you pulled that book out 10/10 one of the funniest things to open a reaction video on fr
i feel like his whole vibe changed bc now he's watching it as an adaptation to something he rlly enjoys and that's so sweet 😭
I think it’s unreasonable to want everything that’s in the book showed not only it’s an ADAPTATION meaning there will be some differences. especially when in the books everything is from percy’s POV. also it’s 8 episodes and short time. As a book reader I can always go back to read the books for more details but I really wasn’t going into the show thinking they were gonna add EVERYTHING that’s in the book. you need to be serious and stop nitpicking
adapting 100% of the story and adapting, maybe 25%, of the story arent the same thing. disney has the power, budget and resources to increase episode length and count, infact its quite literally their decision to have such a short runtime. longer episodes can easily fix most of the problems in the show, including pacing, world building, and having actual conversational dialogue, maybe getting the characters personalities correct.
Also, nitpicking is small things like, "in the books, percy and sally eat a lot of different types of blue food, but in the show its just a small bag of blue beans." not "Hey, why would the producers of the show decide to have short episodes, but then rush through 40% of the books in 2 episodes. they cut out a lot of world building, and general character arc details.
ngl I laughed when I realized he called Walker Walter (or at least it sounded like he said Walter) it was funny either way
Yessssss Percy Jackson book club!!!! I’m so onboard with that idea!!!!! I want to do a re-read anyway✨✨✨✨
I decided to read the book this week as well, I am now in the middle of book 3. They are really good and you can fly through them!
Please comment more about the books as you read it. I want to see your reactions to the entire series (I hope they adapt it to future seasons too)
I plan on reading them all and doing videos on them. I really like the first one so far and I am excited to see where it goes
@@NerdyNightly I'm happy about that, and as a fan for many years I was a little saddened by some of the valid questions you asked about the war the gods are in. Did this become clear to you reading the books?
That the war itself is a war that affects humans in the form of a natural catastrophe?
Personal favorite episode yet!
Same 😅
I’m just gonna say right now, that first person pov shot of Percy falling and the water spout catching him was so badass
it does make a lot of sense that disney is trying to downplay this for kids, speeding things up and doing a lot exposition (not as heavy as ep 1&2 were, but it can still be seen) after all, most of their content is "family friendly", but what I think they failed to understand is that most of the pjo hardcore fanbase are young adults and adults who don't need nor want this to be downplayed and are completely okay with the runtimes of the eps being longer.
I'm sure we're getting a S2 so I hope they fix this by then, or that at least we don't have another silly run of 20-ish minutes, which is how long this ep was without the recap and credits.
Then I thinks it’s time for some of the adults to realize that maybe they have grown from the Percy Jackson series. The series was always a book for kids so it’s not downplaying lol . The show is introducing it to a new generation of children. It shouldn’t have to cater to adults and this is coming from a young adult who is a huge fan of the books.
@@crystalt.9449 lol, okay then :)
I agree on the pacing of the show, the show is great but it move too fast. and in this episode they have really well made the tension !
Remember Disney+ now had an ad supported plan, so I’m sure they now require new productions have built in “ad breaks”
This seems to be a pattern Disney is starting of fewer, shorter episodes, figure it out within the boundaries. But for adapting the book, you need so much more
With your other reactions I felt like I was watching a different show, now that you are reading the book I feel like we've read a different book! Lol
Seriously the book is a lot of fun but reading ut for the first time at 25 I did find the emotional investment to be basically zero. Here instead talks like the one Annabeth and Percy have on the train or in the museum are EXACTLY what was missing for me in the book and I'm glad the show isn't just then facing one monster afte the other
They don’t assume your missing it, they tell you what you need to know. While things are changed and if they are missing things that are unimportant
If they keep holding to the books this well I think this rendition of Percy might be the coolest underwater superhero
I'm so glad that you are now a book-reader reactor. You were driving me bonkers with previous episodes since you obviously didn't get it. Thanks so much for starting the books.
I find it really fun how Nerdy said in the first reaction “Maybe the TV show will convince me to read the books” and it did 😂
I honestly couldn't get through this reaction. He spent the entire intro praising the book. Everyone knows the books are better most of the time and I really didn't need that beaten into my head then they start the episode and immediately nitpick the entire thing. This is why I tend to stay away from any channel with the word nerdy in it's name cuz I don't necessarily enjoy war hung someone complain the whole time they watch something. Being critical and voicing your opinion is fine but overly negative is a huge time waste
this episode made me feel the that the episodes are too short... personally i feel like most of the changes are meant to show how the main conflict of the show (in 5 potential seasons, not just this one) effects everything and everyone, annabeth, percy, medusa and echidna for example, keep bringing up the main reason for the plot of the series, not just the season. that, with 30 minutes episode cause for some of the show feel rushed (ep 4) while other parst feel better than the book (ep 3) when looking at the show from the prespective of someone that read all of the books
Glad you picked up the books Nerdy.
I disagree about Grover... I love him so much more in the show (I've only read the first book and about 10 chapters of the second one atm)
He’s lovable, but he’s not helpful.
Ok, so I'm making a petition from now on the algorit goddess in any reaction has to be Sally Jackson, every reaction even in the one she doesn't appear because she's the best and deserves the love
I am really hoping that they learn from what people like this season and improve even better next season.
This seems like an unpopular opinion, but I completely agree with nerdy's assessment on the first 2 episodes, the tone feels off, very little is actually explained, and it feels like we don't know the characters well enough, it's not bad, but as a fan of the books, it doesn't live up to the enjoyment I got from the source material. So glad Nerdy had the same opinion, because I felt like I was the only one. Thanks for your honest thoughts!
Also, to those who say "let the story play out", while you could explain more things later down the line, it is still to the detriment of the show because you spend a lot of it as a viewer confused and bewildered. Try to watch the first episodes as if you know nothing about the books, from a new viewers perspective, I think things would be very confusing.
IM SO ANNOYED THAT PERCY SHOVED ANNABETH INTO THE DOOR WHEN SHE WAS ABOUT TO FIGHT A FLIPPIN MONSTER IM SO ANNOYED AT THAT SCENE 😡
why? he was saving her
@@pipercharms7374 yea he was
@@ImanVellaniFan123 so why are you annoyed? 😅
@@pipercharms7374 idk! I just wanted to see Annabeth fight a monster and she was sooo closeeeee 😭
@@ImanVellaniFan123 oh well to be fair she didn’t have someone to save her from falling so it’s probably for the best that he went instead of her 😅
10:44 The middle of the country can have earthquakes. St. Louis is not too far away from New Madrid fault line.
They "Ron Weasley'd" Grover. Ron had so much more depth and character in the books, and in the movies, he's just the funny best friend. They are doing Harry Potter, but with Greek mythology.
Yeah so happy Nerdy is reading the books now I can stop screaming in my cellphone about how the story does makes sense kkkkkk, Nerdy if you are reading this I'm just kidding please don't get offended.
I read the books and am a fan of the riordanverse for a reaaaaally long time so the series works for me well enough, even if some of your questions does make sense if taking in account only the info that the series presents (others I think is too much of a nitpick but you do you) I liked this reaction a lot
And also after the movies my expectations for the series was at the bottom of Tartarus so this helped kkkkkkk
The length of the episodes is a disney plus problem with every show. They did it with the star wars shows also. They dont always need to be an hour, 45 minutes should be the minimum.
Ooo, I do wish we had a percy jackson book club. I would read it again for that.
I think the show is a really solid adaptation but I agree that it's blazing through a lot of the buildup and development from the book that detracts from it a little. Still enjoying it quite a bit though, and it's leagues better than the awful movie.
Bro you make some good points, but holy crap you have a gripe with so much, just enjoy it for what it is
So glad you actually started reading the book🤣 my only clap back is that you complained about exposition in the first episode and in the book it's almost all exposition for that info🤣. Though I do agree that with a show you have more time so why cut it. I feel like somehow this was the best balance they could do for story, and effects within the budget without having SiFi level effects to get more episodes. Also keeping things but switching them around keeps it kind of fresh for book readers.
I feel both mediums are great and thinking on it there is a lot of the book still missing in places but still a fantastic adaptation as far as adaptations go but the series and world is epic as a whole. Glad you are enjoying both of them though.
I understand the comparison and all. Every fan will always compare the movies with the book, or the tv show with the movie or book.
But I don't want to be like that anymore.
If what is happening on screen isn't bothersome, I would just watch it, and not say "but in the books" here, and "in the books" there.
But again, I understand the comparison, it is inevitable.
With the upcoming Harry Potter tv show, it will definitely be compared with the movies and the books.
I mean I said the set up was confusing and got a thousand comments telling me to read the books so I did 🤷🏼♂️ this is literally what people asked for
@@NerdyNightlyyet you don’t seem to understand anything
@@NerdyNightly Yeah, you were right though when you said the show is made with the assumption that the audience has read the book/s.
I guess with the author being one of the writers, their main goal was for the show to be better than the movie. Change some unnecessary things without changing the entire framework of the plot, the character dynamics and the overall spirit and vibe.
And I think they are doing great.
If it is really confusing for those who haven't read the books, well just like what Annabeth said, "I'm so sorry to hear that."
@@hikari9262 But they left out a lot of stuff that was really important, such as, as Nerdy mentioned, how and when the Bolt was stolen. They also have not once named Riptide in this adaptation even though they've had plenty of opportunity to do so.
@@bookswithike3256jesus, you guys are so nitpicking. you’re getting way ahead of yourselves. they might have a another way to name his sword. chill
I think the episode length and amount might be a Disney decision. All the setup/world building seems to be peppered in throughout the show.
The most important things to know is given and then we can expand the world at another time so there isn't a ton of exposition all at once. But yeah this episode could have been longer
I enjoyed the cast better this ep, the show making Annabeth mostly standoffish and distant in eps 2&3 didn’t work with the strength of the actor who felt right this week now she is allowed to demonstrate personality.
The only issue I had beyond it being oddly short was the ending felt abrupt like Percy shoulda have been told something or we saw him swim out. It feels like it cut mid-scene
This was the first episode where I really felt how short the episodes are. I almost wonder if I’d appreciate it more if I’d waited to binge it, then maybe it would just feel like a 4 hour movie, instead of 30 minutes each week.
The show suffers from the 8 episode curse like so many shows on streaming these days. If the show had two more episodes it could have dedicated those to spending more time in Camp Halfblood, but as it stands the remaining four episodes are each going to cover CRITICAL plot beats that need to have a full episode dedicated each (as did Medusa, as did Echidna and the fall from the St. Louis Arch). The fact that everything from the Camp Halfblood section of the book gets condensed into just episode 2 is a huge pacing issue and it leads to the first two episodes feeling rushed as all hell. I wish streaming platforms would stop skimping on episodes and give seasons a full 10 or 12 episodes instead of barely skirting by on 8.
EDIT: Also to clarify, I don't agree with all of Nerdy's criticisms (or even most of them, I think he's nitpicking) but I do think the adaptation suffers from being so few episodes. I don't think the solution is longer episodes, because most of the story beats don't need an hour, they only need the 30 minutes or so that we're getting, but we needed a few more episodes to breathe early on and to establish the world and the tone. Beyond that, I still love this adaptation dearly and think it's a great job. I believe that as the seasons go on it will only get better and better
Dude. My favourite book growing up was Alexandre Dumas' Three Musketeers and i discovered in 1973 that the book is ALWAYS better than the filmic adaptation, lol.
This isn't always true, but in almost all instances that the show/film is better than the book, it's because the book wasn't very good. If the bar set by the book isn't too high, it is much easier to clear it.
I think, in part, it's just that most books have stories that are best told as books. You'll also find that most novelisations of films are worse than the films, because again, the film's story was conceptualised as a visual product.
i really think they’re so short because of Disney. I dont think they had much faith in the show cus it’s the first season, and didn’t want to spend the money i guess. But im hoping this season is so successful that they up the budget & make the eps longer for the future
The show has the same budget as The Mandalorian, so I don't know how they could go up honestly
@@NerdyNightly Yeah I actually remember reading something about it having the highest budget of any Disney + original when it was first starting production. This wasn't just a show they threw at the wall, they really invested in it.
Wow surprised you are reading the book, I 100% agree with you.
Well said nerdy, I think you make very good and valid points at the end
Grover is a weird character. He’s pretty useless in the first two books but he grows to become his own character. Eventually his adventure and Percy’s is separated but it is organic- this point in the book Grover is Percy’s emotional cornerstone- it eventually becomes other characters but right now Percy’s world is basically Grover and his Mom.
The book is awesome I on book two now
I am so happy that Nerdy gets to experience the book now. The story is just wayyy too good and, like you said before, the show actually ~was~ the thing that convinced you to read the book!
I personally really enjoyed this episode, I think that the character stuff in this one was great. I agree about the Echidna scene and I agree about the runtime, but I also think that the show does a decent job of adding to the book, which is interesting as some things they either cut out or haven't shown yet. And I believe that Grover's story is still coming, but I am also dissatisfied with the absence of reasoning for him to go to the quest.
(beginning of the book spoilers) The Fates are still coming. At first, I theorized that they've moved them to the end, but actually, they didn't, they've just moved them farther along (you can see them in the preview for the next episode)
I cant say for certain, but Im pretty sure the reason the episodes are so short has something to do with the budget disney gave them. Disney has been having a rough go recently with flop after flop so they were probably being very stingy with the budget.
Nerdy's not wrong that the thing that is most sorely missing could be added relatively cheaply. Most of what is missing could be provided in dialogue on the sets that they already built.
I absolutely agree. The show production value and acting is great, but the writing lacks depth in comparison to the books. I don’t know if that is on the writers or on Disney making demands on the writers. I think Clarus is right, they are trying to cater to what they think kids can handle. I think this is an insult to kids’ intelligence.
Glad you reading the book
"Read the book, it is a better version of this"
Hard disagree 😅
I fell in love with this show immediately as a non-book reader. Could not find fault with it.
Got excited and decided to start reading the first book. It has failed to keep my interest to the point that I'm procrastinating so hard on reading more of it. Granted, I'm not that far into it, so maybe it picks up, but like, so far, the show tells the story a lot better in my opinion 😂😅🤷
Edit: I think I figured it out, as I continued to listen to your discussion.
My imagination is such that, I don't need the show to show me stuff, if they tell me, my brain fills in the blanks.
Like, for example, you said that you didn't see enough of Percy and Grover bonding.
But the show told us they have been friends for YEARS. Why do we need to see them bonding at this point? They are already bonded.
And when you were talking about the Fates and assuming they "cut" them.
Slight spoiler:
They're doing the order of events differently in the show than in the book, and I personally like the way the Fates are used in the show 🤷
as a non-booker reader, I am curious what being a "satyr protector" means. Protection via moral support?
well they scout for half bloods, and if they find them they’re supposed to bring them to camp half blood. they’re able to smell demigods and monsters as well.
@@amby8719 oh cool
@@juliana-fu8hi protecive plant powers seem cool.
@@juliana-fu8hi oh man that's mildy disappointing lol. Still cool i guess on a chill level.
After this episode, I decided to separate the books and this show in my mind. There are too many things that I don't like about this adaptation, but as a separate show it's engaging enough to keep watching it. I just want to enjoy it as much as I can, without constantly comparing it to the books.
That’s honestly hard for me to do now cause I think the show is missing a lot of context that the books provide.
@@NerdyNightlycause in the books you are in Percy’s head you are experiencing so many things through his head obviously it’s gonna be different from watching Percy from another perspective, and plus the author wanted to make some changes that he didn’t have the opportunity with the books so y’all should really separate them, or just stick to the books if you think every little detail matter THAT much.
This is me as well. I see the differences, but I don't get bothered with it. It's not bothersome unlike when the movies merged Annabeth and Clarisse into 1 character. That type of change would definitely bother me.
But if the framework of the story remains, along with the spirit and vibe of the book, then why would I complain. I can see what they were doing with the character dynamics as well, and it is a good portrayal for this medium, because book writing is different from screenplay writing.
You're right, I'm really enjoying the show but they are cutting a lot of the world building and important story details, and not everything is making sense just in the context of the show. Hope they do better in the latter half and the upcoming seasons.
I gotta wonder if there's strike stuff or kid actor stuff that didn't let them film enough for longer episodes? Or was it just Disney Channel nonsense? Why 30 minute eps??
Money. It's expensive to shoot with kids. They can't make the episodes an hour long, or it would take a year to film it all. And that would be very very expensive.
This show has a similar budget to Mandalorian. They can afford a couple of extra scenes with the kids
Children can't work more than a few hours a day. That's one reason why they aged up the characters for the movies. @@NerdyNightly
@@NerdyNightlyI feel like Disney, known for creating content for and about kids should know how to make shows with kids. Then again, I don't know how well they treat their child actors and I definitely wouldn't want them working longer than they have to. I'm guessing the rush is about not wanting the kids to be visibly older and so rushing the filming and release. Even Stranger Things padded out their runtime with adult sideplots. Who knows why executives make the decisions they do.
how do centaurs wipe? with their tail, obviously.
I want to say that books 3-5 of the Percy Jackson franchise i lile more than 1st, so I really want them to make at least 5 seasons.
Also i will not spoil, but when you'll finish first book i think you would be shocked how much 2010 film changed the final - that as for me is the main reason why films were hated.
They reallly misjudged the age group they are pandering to. The books were released in 2006. The movies in 2010s. Like the average audience are mid-20s to 30s (adults) which is why I was skeptical of Disney making them.
The Fates are shown in the preview after this episode.
I think a lot of people are forgetting... this is a disney kids' show. No matter how much of an adult you are now after reading the books 10+ years ago, it's for kids NOW. I remember being a kid, and not really caring if a plot was 100% thought out. Because I and a lot of other kids didnt see the world that way. The books were kind of the same way. It wasn't until Titans curse that the story became more mature and slowly grew with the reader. So kindly stop overthinking everything. You are actively taking fun away from yourself. Just let the story take the pace it wants, and see how it handles itself at the end of the season.
Every example I pulled was from the books?
Yes. But again, a book for YA has a lot more freedom to talk about dark themes than Disney will ever allow. It's the same thing that happened in Hercules. So comparing the book to the show was never going to be 100% right. It is its own thing. Just try and enjoy it, but remember it's for kids through the lens of Disney.
That's a terrible excuse. Just because kids don't care as much or can't see as much when something is flawed, does not give people license to make things flawed. We need to give kids more credit and not always look down on them
@peterlewis2178 it's not an excuse, it's an explanation for why they aren't as worrier as fleshing everything out right away
@@tylerrushford7609 It may be an excuse, but that doesn't mean it's right. Most of the points that Nerdy brought up weren't just not "fleshing everything out right away". They were structural flaws in the storytelling and task of adaptation.
I'm not saying we should allow that to prevent us from enjoying it. I've always been one for looking past flaws in media so I can enjoy it. And despite his critical remarks, Nerdy does seem to still enjoy the show. But just because you can look past flaws to enjoy something doesn't mean you can't still notice and critique those flaws, and I think this show is deserving of those critiques, especially because it is pretty good and can be so much better.
Read the book and still a hater lol. Reading a few chapters in or even the first book won't give you the perspective of the people who's been done reading and re-reading for a while now. Sure it makes sense in the first book. But then you catch the inconsistencies along the way that the show finally fixed.
9:17 a third in for what? 😭 You can't beat an _unknown_ monster with 3 lucky stabs, what. That would be more stupid lol. That opportunity would be best wasted on an escape like they did. Enchida wasn't their priority anyway.
9:49 He's already doing more than book grover :) You'd rather him moan about food and chewing on cans nervously? Didn't he pass out in the book when the car crashed and Percy had to carry him? No hate on book-Grover but I'm not letting this show-Grover slander slide.
An adaptation is and shouldn't be a word for word anyway. You complained that in the book Grover had a bigger purpose for coming and in the show he was there coz Percy just chose him. But it's ..true that he was literally only in the quest _because_ Percy chose him. He _couldn't_ have volunteered for extra points (which they gain by getting a demigod into the camp safely, the stronger the demigod the better bc that means you've protected them from countless monsters). So being a searcher isn't even why Grover came, he came because Percy's his friend. The Searcher of Pan thing? _Every_ satyr has that dream and Grover has been aiming for it even before Percy arrived so giving that information like it's crucial when it isn't for the 1st books plot, is just redundant. Especially since (spoiler) that's covered in the second book, _that_ one covers Grover. _This_ is about Percy. And another book is for Annabeth. SO they're still just teasing that; The cloven council in the second ep where he gets evaluated, him telling Percy about the Searchers, a sprinkle of his uncles journey, it's all just foreshadowing and that's how it should be.
Seeing the St. Louis Arch makes me want to see you react to the SyFy series "Defiance."
The books are great but if you’re looking for something similar after them but with Norse gods follow it up with the Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard series
I’m glad you are reading the book. I like the criticism of the Disney adaptation but the jokes in the first few watch throughs were rough because I knew you were missing a lot of knowledge and background.
Yes but I have some of these Desney shows on DVD and Blu-ray I have Hawkeye Jessica Jones Ms.Marvel.Moon Knight ect.....
Nerdy I love your reactions to this world I have loved for most of my childhood. However I feel like you can be overly negative and nitpicky. Just sit back and enjoy the art.
Yeah! Keep reading the books Nerdy, they are so good.
the grover hate is getting annoying :)
That a grover hater exists is kind of insane now that I think about it 😬
The show is going good but it's too short. Im enjoying it
As far as I can tell having Disney create this show was a great disservice to Riordan's books.
... the author is the one writing the series, isn't he ??
i think nerdy is a little slow ngl
Doesn't mean the author can't mess up. Writing a book isn't the same thing as writing a script. Rowling proved that with Fantastic Beasts. Not every author can translate well what they wrote in a book into a script.
Yes he is. And he has chosen to change a few things and slowly introduce the world. Adaptation is hard but this is a pretty darn good one tbh and I’m a big reader who had seen many shitty Ones. This is not It
@@maciedixon3983so true, I always get frustrated when I hear for Percy Jackson “but in the books” yet they are such small changes in the grand scheme of things.
I've not read the books, but my biggest question about Percy and the Quest, was, why is he so against going on the quest? Like I get that he couldn't give a rats ass about the Master Bolt and his father, so screw them I'm not going on their quest. But he's the only person who cares about his mother, and can go on the quest, so him being against it felt so...cliche' and confusing, and nonsensical.
that’s what happened? he didn’t care about the quest until grover revealed that his mother is where they’re supposed to retrieve the master bolt. then that’s when percy agreed to go.
Percy didn't care about the quest at first. *Then* Grover revealed that Percy might be able to bring back his mother while in the Underworld and Percy's *immediate* reaction was "when do we leave?" I don't know how this could be any clearer in the show.
This the major issue i read the books to but ik there two different situations it will never be perfect at all so complaining about it is wild
Honestly I disagree with you here nerdy, obviously the book will have more detail but this is a really good adaptation especially compared to the movie
Don't over things it I have been a long time fan and as a fan of the book I live every minute of it . the show is having a good time i don't understand what you are talking about about each episode is getting better in my opinion.
Let it play out, its not gonna be perfect my guy. Just enjoy it, you don’t have to pick at it.
especially since it’s a kid’s show like he needs to relax