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  • @TheCatButler
    @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +13

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  • @Scottlp2
    @Scottlp2 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    Most people get kittens, but advantages of adopting adult cat (I just adopted 2 year old) include that their personality is formed and you know what you are getting and less people adopt them so you are helping a cat find a home which might not otherwise.

    • @AdrienneMint
      @AdrienneMint ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I am only adopting senior cats. It’s very rewarding to take a senior out of a shelter and give it love and a permanent home. I plan to get my next this month.

    • @Sotanaht0
      @Sotanaht0 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      One advantage of getting a Kitten though is that their personality is more malleable. They will more or less adapt to you personally as they grow up.
      Training is a similar issue. Adult cats will know more to begin with, but kittens will be easier to train. An adult cat might already prefer scratching couches for example, or they might already be traumatized of cages and vets, or god forbid they have already been free to roam outside

    • @Erdf3542
      @Erdf3542 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sotanaht0agreed! Especially switching out their food if what they were eating before isn’t good for them but addicting

    • @dreamingflurry2729
      @dreamingflurry2729 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well, you can help form a kitten - adult cats are already set in their ways, so I get why people like kittens (not to mention they are cute, until they grow up)

    • @GreenAvocados
      @GreenAvocados 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@dreamingflurry2729I’d say they are just as cute as adult cats!! 😊❤

  • @Michael_W007
    @Michael_W007 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Boy was this video an eye-opener. As cute and fun as they are, the poop throughout the house incident, the expense (food AND Vet), the damage they can cause all the way down to brushing their teeth twice a day...I mean good God. Really good video people should watch before they bring a cat home - especially if you're single and don't have disposable income. I learned, at least for me, there's no way I could manage all that. Who knew? It's just way too much. Thanks for the tips/warnings.

  • @giulizavatta
    @giulizavatta ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Omg, I think I got a heart attack after seeing the vet bill! It is so crazy how insanely high the prices are in the USA. I am from Europe and for an X-ray you pay 35 USD and for preventative care 22 USD. If something more severe and needs surgery and overnight stay, it costs around 270 USD to 366 USD. the price differences are so crazy.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Giuliana wow those are really good prices! Yeah unfortunately everything medical related in the US is super pricey. You always pray you don’t have to see the doctor :(

    • @giulizavatta
      @giulizavatta ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheCatButler oh wow I really had no idea! Thank you for sharing this I think it's also educational for people outside of US. It definitely gave me some perspective. Have a good day and take care!

    • @saqweq
      @saqweq ปีที่แล้ว

      @@giulizavatta it’s because the US doesn’t have universal healthcare. You need to get health insurance.

    • @nehat9377
      @nehat9377 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      in the uk, xrays alone cost about £500

    • @dianaaguayo8661
      @dianaaguayo8661 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was so excited to get a cat or 2 kittens but after seeing the cost of care, I'm thinking about it a bit more. I have never owned a cat so this video was very educational.

  • @abdaniftikhar8625
    @abdaniftikhar8625 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I'd definitely get two kittens instead of one if I was not dependent on my parents. It was already very hard to convince my parents to get a kitten so getting a second one is out of the question. I always dream of a time when I live in my own house and have more than one cat. According to them it might be lesser work, but it's double the money...

    • @kittenme8845
      @kittenme8845 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is true, the food cost will be double. Unfortunately it is best to have cats when you’re already financially independent, otherwise you can adopt an adult cat - they have already learned their manners 😊

  • @andrearobinson9809
    @andrearobinson9809 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Our kitty of 15 years died in Dec 2022. She was randomly throwing up- and sometimes had some blood in her poop. I took pictures and she was given xrays, and we took blood panels. After many different types of cat food, fresh food and probiotic canned food, nothing seemed to help. I wish I had given her an endoscopy to really see what was going on, My vet never recommended that to me. We have been devasted and I think her quick and turbulent death could have been avoided.
    Just remember to get a second opinion, I trusted my Vet- of 40 years through 6 animals. They died of old age and age related issues.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey Andrea thank you for sharing your story! I am sorry to hear the passing of your cat. I agree that an endoscopy would have been a great idea to see where the blood in the poop was from. I wish you the best!

  • @tracymeagher399
    @tracymeagher399 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Your cats are gorgeous and you take really good care of them. We had cats when I was growing up and it's amazing how much has changed over the last 30 years with cat ownership. I have 2 girls that are domestic short hair tabbies. I was persuaded to take them as they were the last 2 of the litter and no-one wanted them because females are more expensive to desex. I am glad I took both of them because even as kittens they were very close. The costs difference for desexing was relatively minor in the overall cost of having cats. In Melbourne, Australia a landlord can't unreasonably refuse tenants having pets. If they do refuse they must have a valid reason. I am also fortunate to have a community vet where prices are reasonable. Desexing about USD 100.00 each and it was about USD 150.00 each for all of their vaccinations as kittens. I did FIV and cat flu which increased the cost. I pay USD 40 every 3 months for their fleas/worming/heartworm treatment. They are coming up for their 1st annual check up and vaccination next month. I have been fortunate that I have only had one unexpected vet visit which was around USD 40.00 and nothing was seriously wrong. I was concerned and I wanted the vet to check on them over, just to be safe. My 2 girls are a little bit spoilt with cat trees in most rooms and 2 huge plastic tubs of cat toys. I am studying from home at present so they get plenty of play time and cuddles. A friend has an older cat and a kitten from the previous litter and 3 or 4 times a year I stay at her house to mind her cats while she is away. I have done this since they were little and they always enjoy a trip to see their "brother".

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tracy thanks for sharing your story! Loved reading it. Love australia and having been there I have found anything medical related to be priced more friendly. Glad your two girls are doing so well! You are an angel to them!

  • @normmarino7914
    @normmarino7914 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The thing I wish I knew . That the free kitten has cost me $ 500.00 dollars in the 3 weeks we have her and there will be more costs still to come. But the thing that I now know is she makes me very HAPPY! ❤😊

    • @lacedhexes
      @lacedhexes 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If the vet prices are expensive in your area, you should consider pet insurance. In my country it's a must. However, it doesn't cover the basic vaccinations or neutering.
      Most expensive are the first years, though! Later you will know better what your cat likes and needs.

  • @abdaniftikhar8625
    @abdaniftikhar8625 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Man, I wish I could give my future cats raw diet but sadly, I'm a 14-year-old and live with my parents. Before that, we were feeding our cats dry food, and Jackson Galaxy said any wet food is better than the best dry food. So, I hope this wet food keeps us going till I live with my parents.

  • @nancycastilleja-iw4rw
    @nancycastilleja-iw4rw ปีที่แล้ว +38

    This was an excellent video!! You covered everything, and I can tell how much you love and care for you for babies. Thanks for the info!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nancy thank you for the kind comment!

  • @nancywatson4530
    @nancywatson4530 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Your videos are great! I had 2 Ragdolls for 14 years and sadly they are both over the rainbow bridge. I am going to become the parent of 2 new Ragdoll babies in a few days. Your videos are a great reminder of what I need to do and things to do differently this time. Thank you!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nancy congrats on your new Ragdoll babies! Thank you for your kind words. And I wish you the best!

  • @KogawaYuri-ENVtuber
    @KogawaYuri-ENVtuber 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This will be so helpful!! Thanks so much! Your cats are as adorable as always! 🥰

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So glad the video is helpful!

  • @EMMarrrr3108
    @EMMarrrr3108 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I've been subscribed for a long time and I just think that Temo and Arya is so adorable!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you Emma! I adore them very much

  • @projectkj7643
    @projectkj7643 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is a great, informative video with soooo much good info! And, your cats are gorgeous! Thank you!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @gc...
    @gc... 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That Vet Bill is insane! I didn't realize how expensive vet bills are in US. It is so much cheaper here in our country

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah everything in the us is quite expensive and requires insurance. Most of the time if you don’t have human heath insurance and get really sick it can bankrupt you if you don’t have a lot of money :(

  • @tomcampanale8176
    @tomcampanale8176 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I so enjoy your channel! I just picked up another Ragdoll… Your cats are both beautiful… I would love to share some photos of my boys. There both from the same mom and dad, just different litters…..There the best, love them beyond words…. Thank you for sharing.❤❤❤ Tom Long Island NY

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Tom congratulations on the new ragdoll! You can send the photos to thecatbutler1@gmail.com. I would love to see them.

  • @jpanic2
    @jpanic2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    LOVE THE VIDEO! Down to the tips on Pet Insurance, Filming them @ a young age, etc..!! Keep up the good work!
    Beautiful Cats!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks glad you found the video helpful!

  • @HeKissedMe
    @HeKissedMe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome tips. Thank you ❤💜🧡💙💚

  • @kj1737
    @kj1737 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for giving useful tips and making a nice video!

  • @kellyn6065
    @kellyn6065 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have only one female cat, one of the most important things I read was if you hurt your cat while playing he is very likely to hurt you too. When she was giving me a bite that was hurtful I was hissing to her or screaming an Ouch and stopping the play. My partner plays with her more roughly so she will bite him strongly that she bites me.

  • @punkyreggaeparty8786
    @punkyreggaeparty8786 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Truly enjoyed this video. Thank you so much

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you liked it :)

  • @pika23
    @pika23 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wish I knew how much fun they were sooner!

  • @ma.cristinafigueras1087
    @ma.cristinafigueras1087 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I learn a lot about taking care of kittens since its my first to have one. Thank you.❤

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      I am glad you learned so much. Best wishes to you and your kitten!

  • @minaabbaslou
    @minaabbaslou 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow! Eye opening. Thank you

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @AleaGutierrez-hl7qs
    @AleaGutierrez-hl7qs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Those are beautiful cats well nourish and excellent taking care!
    Congratulations yo the owner!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you Alea!

  • @chalkfarm11
    @chalkfarm11 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No one talks about the stress of having a cat with health issues. The pain of seeing an animal suffering, constantly cleaning up vomit, spending hundreds of dollars for vet visits / exams trying to figure out what's wrong , etc. It can truly make you miserable. I will never get another pet.

  • @littlemidwestrebornsdolls
    @littlemidwestrebornsdolls ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great information!

  • @bbtoebeans
    @bbtoebeans ปีที่แล้ว +3

    These are great tips!
    I know how traumatic it can be having your little baby escape. I had one too many close calls with my little yorkie. I still have nightmares about it

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lauren thank you for the kind comment! Yeah I am super careful nowadays with my cats. I too have nightmares!

  • @TheNutbrittle
    @TheNutbrittle ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I agree with you. However, bathing Cleo will not happen without me losing the fight 😁 And true, their personality changes over time. She doesn't like to have her nails anymore. I recently bought a pair of pet gloves! By the way, it's the same bell I bought for Cleo. 😁
    There were a lot of things I didn't know about cats before I got Cleo. I fed her kibbles because I thought that was their food. It certainly was very convenient, but it didn't take long before I switched to homemade raw. I also didn't know that they were like toddlers. You have to teach them no no no no no .... and no. Also, I didn't know that they needed to play! I had sleepless nights the first week I got Cleo! She wanted to play in the middle of the night! She also tried to wake me up! 😆 🤣 😂 😹 Now we have our play routines. She lets me know which games she wants, too!
    Over time she's become more vocal! Surprisingly, I kinda understand what she's trying to say, like, she wants some treats on her food puzzle plate, or she wants the door opened, and of course, when she wants to play. She gets upset when I use my phone or my tablet too much! 😄 I talk to her, and it's as if she understands. Haha... crazy cat lady, huh!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahah Cleo is a ball of personality :).
      Wow she even gets upset when you use your phone or tablet haha?!

  • @angelawossname
    @angelawossname ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish I knew about raw feeding when I first got Pangur. He's been on raw food since he was 5 months old. I also wish I knew about getting two cats! Pangur was 9 months old before we got Nuadha. Pangur does not know good manners! He doesn't bite but will slap me to get my attention. Our raggies, Artemis and Helios, love each other and play together and have lovely manners. Helios is looking much more like your babies, now. I can't believe he's 12 months old! Both Pangur and Helios love to "help" when we are doing a batch of food.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahah what does help mean to Pangur and Helios?

  • @tomcampanale8176
    @tomcampanale8176 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your generous donation Tom!

  • @ameliablackshaw5912
    @ameliablackshaw5912 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos . Your cats looks so cute and adorable .

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Love reading your comments as always!

  • @Sylvester_Emo_Kid
    @Sylvester_Emo_Kid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite TH-camr uploaded
    (My favorite TH-camr is you)

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      awww thanks! I hope you enjoyed it :)

    • @Sylvester_Emo_Kid
      @Sylvester_Emo_Kid ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheCatButler I did. Your videos make me happy to the point I just want to stay home with my cat and watch your videos. ❤️

  • @TheNomadicJamaican
    @TheNomadicJamaican ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really enjoyed this video.

  • @mirandarebecca3646
    @mirandarebecca3646 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree have two or more. I have Hamish, Tigger, Vivienne, and Maple. Two males and two females.

  • @chikacherrycola9189
    @chikacherrycola9189 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This Video Is EPIC🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

  • @tjj5337
    @tjj5337 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love those cat trees.. Where did you get them?

  • @katharinatappert1750
    @katharinatappert1750 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hi! I really like your videos and I wanted to ask if you maybe would like to post a video about the expenses of two cats/ ragdolls. (food (especially with a raw meat diet), insurance, toys, etc.)
    💗When me and my boyfriend move in together we actually want get two ragdolls as well. So naturally I'm very interested in this

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Katharina that is a good idea, and something I will try to do in a future video!

  • @E3Anas
    @E3Anas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After watching your video I decided I was not give dry food to my cat. Thank you for great video

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad I could help!

  • @Squeebop
    @Squeebop ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My wife and I love your videos!
    We live in the San Francisco area and we're currently looking to adopt a couple Ragdolls. Do you have any recommendations?
    We both have owned cats through the years and your videos have helped us prepare for a Ragdoll.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Matty glad you enjoy the videos! are you looking to buy in the bay area or are open to breeders a little bit outside the area? The ones outside the bay tend to be cheaper.
      I flew to Seattle to pick up Teemo and Arya. Here is their breeder: ragdollsea.com/. Lucia is their sister

    • @Squeebop
      @Squeebop ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheCatButler we live in the east bay and we're always willing to travel. We drive up to Seattle once or twice a year to visit friends so that's no problem at all haha.
      We loved the video when you went on a trip up there with Teemo and Arya.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Matty-Ice I see ok. so the bay area there are some, but are almost $1,000 more expensive in general in my experience and I didn't fully vet them.
      Besides my breeder there is this one - www.kimuradolls.com/available
      She plans to move back to the bay area soon, but she produces some of the best ragdolls and really makes sure they are super healthy. Hope that helps!

    • @Squeebop
      @Squeebop ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheCatButler Thank you so much for the information. Now we just need to pick out exactly what we want haha!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hahah yes the fun part :)

  • @ramonasandu7455
    @ramonasandu7455 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can I please ask where did you get that scratch tree? It is amazing and my cats would love it.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Ramona the cat tree was custom made unfortunately

  • @selyemperzsa1
    @selyemperzsa1 ปีที่แล้ว

    FYI On the Albert&Mia channel Albert is selling escape proof harness for cats.

  • @ricknowak4582
    @ricknowak4582 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feed my cat's raw also. One tip I have for you. Get a good pair of scissors and cut to meet like that. So much easier using scissors.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rick that is a good tip! Thank you! I will look to get one. Using a knife can get quite tiring.

  • @nishasmitasarma6238
    @nishasmitasarma6238 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg I love cats and Teemo and Aryaa is soooooo cuteeeeeeeeeee

  • @johnreagan5852
    @johnreagan5852 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We have twins girl cats.
    Glad to have them.

  • @valeriyat.4771
    @valeriyat.4771 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    After watching bathing part: **immediately goes to order bath toys**😂

  • @Mike-on-North_Umpqua
    @Mike-on-North_Umpqua 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you tell me where you purchased that cat tower? it seems so pleasing to the humans as well as the cats. Thanks for this video, most helpful!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey thanks! the natural looking tree or the modern cat tower?

    • @PuTqueeN
      @PuTqueeN หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would like to know about the tree looking one. I already found the modern looking one on your web site. :D Would greatly appriciate the info. :) @@TheCatButler

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PuTqueeN ah that was custom made so its not available for sale

  • @buttplsno
    @buttplsno ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi can you make a video explaining the process of selecting the breeder? I want to purchase a ragdoll as well but its confusing finding the right breeder!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Nicole here is a video I made about it: th-cam.com/video/zOi8BxcGAiA/w-d-xo.html
      Hope that helps!

  • @zufalllx
    @zufalllx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Outstanding for feeding your cats the best food on earth!

  • @user-dn9uu6mc5v
    @user-dn9uu6mc5v 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Angel say yes like all cats and kittens is very nice and cutes and much 👍👌😻❤️😸

  • @maichardreactionvlog9169
    @maichardreactionvlog9169 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video

  • @Straemer1
    @Straemer1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the UK this is Petplan

  • @nedergubis2638
    @nedergubis2638 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got three.

  • @pika23
    @pika23 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I do play with their feet and paws and they get very interested when I'm clipping them. My Ricky will put his whole head down and look

  • @savannah4019
    @savannah4019 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    woah... actually a good informative video on cats and cat care? lets gooo! i would, however, as someone whose financial situation has changed drastically repeatedly since I first got my cats, and as someone who has adopted cats from multiple age ranges, there are a few long-winded additions id like to add if that's okay!
    1. if you already have pets, you should NOT introduce new cats/kittens right away. there are proper ways to do it slowly and safely, and you should follow those instructions carefully. google how to introduce cats, and you'll be just fine adopting a new cat or kitten when you already have pets (though keep in mind, there are many cases of peoples dogs killing their cats, even if the cats and dogs have grown up together as almost no one has professionally-trained dogs, and even the most well-trained dog in the world can still have a moment of surprise or excitement or aggression that could result in them hurting and/or killing a cat, so bringing a cat/cats home when you already have dogs requires constant supervision and extra care taken during the introduction phase, and if the introduction is done right and still isn't progressing safely, then rehoming the cat should occur for the safety of the cat. do NOT force introduction and do NOT keep animals that hiss and fight with each other)
    2. while feeding raw food diets is obviously the best, it's important to know that you absolutely can raise a healthy cat even on cheaper foods, and you shouldn't feel like less of a pet parent just because you can't afford the absolute best. however, making sure you're taking care of them in the ways you can by investing more time or effort is what's important if you can't feed them a more expensive diet. for example, giving your cats a mix of dry and wet foods can help with their water intake, but they still might need more water. investing in a water fountain can be helpful because cats often like to drink from running water sources, so a fountain can encourage them to drink more! do note that a water fountain does come with its own costs: you have to clean them and all their little parts very well every week at the longest, and water fountains have filters that have to be replaced often, but if you choose to go with a water fountain then it MUST be done because water fountains and their filters will quickly get grimy, grow mold, and host dirt and bacteria that will get your cats sick. additionally, dry food actually doesn't help remove tartar buildup, so it's even more important to brush their teeth if you're feeding them a dry/wet/mix diet. brushing your cats' teeth is good practice in general, as mentioned in the video, but it's important to note why it should be an even bigger priority when your cat has a cheaper diet. (also side note about food and water bowls: wash them OFTEN. dirty bowls can be one of the reasons cats may see "cat acne" on their chins. it's not the only reason, but it is a reason to look out for!)
    3. Don't lie to your landlord about having pets. if something were to go wrong with your house when you're not home, it could be very dangerous for your pets if your landlord or the people you live with don't know you have pets. having a pet, especially a little cat, is so lovely and makes us so happy, but it's not worth the risk to your pet's life to keep them a secret. also, if your lease doesn't allow pets, you could get evicted, which is bad for you AND your furry ones. I personally do not agree with how strict landlords are with rejecting pet owners (and I don't think they should be allowed to charge extra for pets as children and babies often will cause more damage to a residence, yet it'd obviously be insane to charge people extra if they have a child), but our personal feelings won't change the reality of renting as it currently is. so fuck landlords, but keep you, your wallet, others, and especially your pets safe by NOT hiding them.
    4. there is no such thing as an 'outdoor cat,' and your cats should always be indoor cats. this doesn't mean your cats should never be allowed to go outside- definitely not! but cats that go outside should always be SUPERVISED, don't just open the door to let your cat out as that is EXTREMELY irresponsible. cats have impacted and heavily contributed to the extinction of more than 60 animal species. outdoor cats also spread more diseases and parasites, which can be brought home to infect you and other pets you have. It's also more likely for outdoor cats to be severely injured or killed by any number of things like wild animals, feral or stray cats, dogs, machinery, road traffic, or even other humans. but you CAN let your cat experience the outdoors in ways that are great for your cat and also keeps your baby and the environment safe. firstly make sure you ALWAYS get pets fixed and get them fixed EARLY (vets widely agree that getting pets fixed under 5 months of age is safer than above 5 months and it comes with long-term health benefits). second, make sure your cat is always vaccinated, AND let your vet know that even though your cat goes outside supervised they can ensure your cat gets the proper vaccinations associated with being outdoors. third, if you do not have the time to adapt your cat to a harness and take them outside for walks (or you don't live somewhere where it would be safe) then you can try getting a 'catio' or a bay window. you should still make sure your cat wears a collar when going outside with your info on it, as detailed in the video, and that collar should ALWAYS be a tear-away collar. these collars are easier to snap or get out of, which may prevent the collar from getting snagged/caught on something which can cause your cat to get stuck or choke. multiple layers of protection is always best- a microchip, a GPS tracker, and a tear-away collar with your information on it may seem like too much, but your cats are like your babies. it's normal and encouraged to make sure you're thinking preventatively rather than lamenting what you didn't do when something goes wrong.
    5. either make sure you have enough litter boxes or be EXTRA diligent in taking care of them if you don't have the space! in general, assume you should have 2 litter boxes for one cat, and add 1 box for every additional cat. if you can't have that many boxes, then you need to clean them more often. cleaning litter boxes often is good practice for many reasons, other than just making sure your cat has a clean place to use the bathroom. cleaning the litter often helps eliminate the smell (as cat poop and litter doesn't actually smell that bad or stink up an entire house if you're taking care of it), allows you to frequently check on the health of your cats (as you can tell a LOT about a cats condition from the size, color, consistency, and smell of your cat's feces and urine), and provides you a sense of mind in knowing your cats will most likely not end up pooing or peeing anywhere else. how often you should clean the litter varies by the type used, how many cats you have, and how many boxes you have. if you're ever unsure of how often to replace the type of litter you use, read the bag/container your litter comes in, and consider how often it seems like your boxes should be cleaned according to your own number of litter boxes vs cats. if you follow the directions on your litter and find you can smell the urine and feces before their recommended changing time, then clean it sooner. also, try to avoid litter with scents added to them. they might seem better for YOUR nose, but they can bother cats quite a lot, and sometimes the added smell to litter can turn cats away from using the litter box entirely.
    ANYWAYYY... this is stupidly long, and odds are nobody will ever read any (let alone all) of this, but I've been raising my 4 (!!! I know, trust me, I know) cats of different ages in different environments (with + without dogs, in a large multi-story home, in a small and cramped one story home, in a single bedroom when I was at my worst, with children, with the elderly, with strangers, etc.) and jumping between different financial brackets since my mom randomly brought home our first set of kittens when I was 10, so I've learned a lot and researched a LOT. I'm severely mentally ill and can barely take care of myself, yet... I still put all my energy and love into taking care of my boys, my sweet cats who are the only reason I can sometimes manage to push myself into eating or showering. The love and happiness they give me is something I wish everyone could experience in their lives, even if they don't get that feeling from cats. It's the way my cats unintentionally have ended up caring for ME simply by being around for me to take care of THEM that makes me so enthused to write out THIS many paragraphs of info just to add onto a video that already detailed a ton of important information on cats and their care.

    • @savannah4019
      @savannah4019 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      also your cats are SO beautiful!!! they're flame point ragdolls, which makes me so happy because my 2 siamese cats i adopted as siblings (just they like your sweeties!) ALSO happen to be flame point! thank you for posting so many informative AND cute videos of your angels, they are just too cute (and smart to boot, ringing those bells! do they ever drive you crazy with them? lmao)

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Savannah WOW! So much good information! Thank you for posting so others can learn about it too. Took me awhile to read all of it and I agree with all your points. So well written! I can tell you go above and beyond for your kitties. You are an angel to them! Thank you! And actually I loveee when they ring the bell! Not bothered at all. Arya gives that look....give me....give me that treat haha

  • @amluckymess
    @amluckymess 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My gf's kitten is 4 months old and while she didn't bite as much as first, now she bites quite a lot when playing (my feet, hands, etc); she is a ragdoll and she loves to (play) hunt. How can I fix this behaviour?
    Also, where can I buy that tree(literal)house? I'm getting my own kitten soon and I would love him to have it

  • @victoriajiang2431
    @victoriajiang2431 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dear Cat Butler, I acquired a white Ragdoll a week ago. The litter I’m using recommended by the breeder is some sort of dark sand. The grains of dark sand stay in the cat’s hair, especially when his hair is wet. It is so much trouble to clean the sand off the hair. What litter do you use? Thank you!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Victoria I use tofu litter, this is the one I use amzn.to/3EkN7tM.
      Its the best one I have used after trying several others.

  • @diane519
    @diane519 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what are the brands of high quality wet and dry food you would reconmend? I've been feeding my kittens Nulo.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Diane Nulo wet food is good.
      so I haven't thoroughly vet dry food, but the wet food brands I like include:
      1. Smalls: Lowest amount of carbs, high-quality animal protein - www.smalls.com/human-grade-fresh
      2. Wellness CORE Wet Cat Food: Pate wet food - prf.hn/l/vyAX2q2
      3. Raised Right Pets: www.raisedrightpets.com/product/human-grade-cat-food/full-box-16-bags/
      Hope that helps! Ranked according to preference.

  • @nehat9377
    @nehat9377 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what is it with ragdolls and scratching/digging the floor after eating xD my ragdoll crossbreed does the same

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh neha it’s a natural instinct!

  • @tayssir3031
    @tayssir3031 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi, did you build that cat scratcher? Or where did you buy it ?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hey which one are you referring to?

    • @tayssir3031
      @tayssir3031 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The one with trees ? It's tall

  • @Kenny-yl9pc
    @Kenny-yl9pc 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Im thinking about getting a cat(s) for a long time. Is it possible to have cats even as someone with low income? Im worried that I can't afford those vet bills and I don't want to neglect my cat's health. Is it really that expensive to own cats as pets? Im unsure what to do. What do you (guys) think?

  • @princessluv.edits1
    @princessluv.edits1 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hi! I recently discovered your channel and I’m trying to convince my parents to get me a cat. I have a dog already though. Do you think that a ragdoll cat would get along with my dog easily? (She’s a chocolate Labrador)

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes! Ragdolls are a very friendly breed and make friends easily!

  • @quaziahmed1905
    @quaziahmed1905 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤I ❤CAT very😊😊 much 😊

  • @dewdrop4330
    @dewdrop4330 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Where can I purchase the beautiful cat tree please?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey so it was custom made!

    • @dewdrop4330
      @dewdrop4330 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheCatButler it’s beautiful. I would be interested in purchasing a replica if you’re interested in proposing it to your designer. Maybe a new work venture for you. You would make many many cats and people happy. I have 5 rescue cats.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      would love to make your cats happy, but unfortunately the designer I worked with to bring it to life went out of business due to the pandemic.
      I am thinking in the future of adding this cat tree to the store. I will have to figure out how to make it at a decent price.

  • @snehadhanawade986
    @snehadhanawade986 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do u think Raggdoll cat is a mouser cat?

  • @iw1llkillurdream581
    @iw1llkillurdream581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How many day interval should there be for brushing

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      once a day is good, I try to brush after every meal, so twice a day to be extra diligent with their teeth.

  • @srmarketto
    @srmarketto 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My old man cat passed a couple months ago and im now starting to think about getting a kitten. I want to feed them raw, what do people do when they go on vacation? I dont have someone who can show up daily to continue with the raw.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey I’m sorry to hear your cat passed. So you could do two things. Hire a cat sitter to come daily which is what I do, or a reputable cat hotel that can feed your cat raw while you are away. Let me know if that helps!
      You can check this video out as well: What to Do with Your Cat When You Go on Vacation | The Cat Butler
      th-cam.com/video/Et15FkaZbks/w-d-xo.html

  • @bullets8399
    @bullets8399 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do you do for a living to afford all of this??

  • @savasauz3195
    @savasauz3195 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where is that real car tree from??

  • @Karen-dk1ec
    @Karen-dk1ec ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Vets like lawyers have no shame in their prices. it is now a luxury to own pets.

    • @KogawaYuri-ENVtuber
      @KogawaYuri-ENVtuber 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know! I had a bad experience with dogs and we spent over at least 100! Prices are crazy and searching for a house will be a nightmare when I’m old enough :(

  • @vernabryant2894
    @vernabryant2894 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My last cat visit cost me 400.00 dollars.He had a uinary infection.

  • @Karen-dk1ec
    @Karen-dk1ec ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A "pet fee' is illegal in Calif, and I don't think it's ethical. It's illegal (info from a relator) because the apt is not rented-out to your pet but yourself. I have paid a "pet deposit" twice which is reasonable.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      oh hmm, yeah so my landlord charged a pet fee and a pet rent, a fee upfront and a fee per month :(. I encountered it majority of the time. A pet deposit would make more sense

  • @pigi8326
    @pigi8326 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ciao micioni giocherelloni!!! Sapete che siete veramente molto belli? Vedo che vi state divertendo un sacco!!! Auguri ciaoooo 🐱🐱😇💗🤩😙😙😘💐💐🌹💫💯💯✨❣️💛

  • @Sang15Mitang
    @Sang15Mitang ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The section about landlords not allowing pets or a certain number of pets really negatively affected my family one time. We were moving from a house that allowed 4 pets (we had 3, 2 cats and a dog) to an apartment and every apartment only allowed either 0 pets or 2 pets. We had no choice but to smuggle my cat, Boots, in. He is very afraid of strangers so I knew he would hide if anyone from the apartment community came over. The only potential issue was that he likes to look out the window, and he is a different color than our other cat was.
    One of my family members moved to a different house and took the cat with him, so we ended up actually having 1 dog and 1 undocumented cat for a little while, because otherwise I would have had to tell the community that we actually had another cat and risk getting in trouble. It was so stressful. I don't plan to have more than 2 pets again unless I own my own house. We recently had to put our dog to sleep so now we have just our cat. He doesn't get along with other cats though so we don't plan to get another until after he is no longer with us.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      I am glad you were able to keep all your fur babies together! It is something I deal with as well if I were to suddenly lose my apartment. Most apartments want 0 or 1 animal :(.

  • @Karen-dk1ec
    @Karen-dk1ec ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your cats are gorgeous. Are they ragdolls?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes they are ragdolls!

    • @ricknowak4582
      @ricknowak4582 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do they shed much? It doesn't look like it. And having two cats are they both affectionate? Cuddly? You could pick them up and hold them?

  • @randybrooks5754
    @randybrooks5754 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love your cats, where did you get the cat tree, need info. The same one.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey it was custom made!

  • @randomstuff5034
    @randomstuff5034 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    do you use warm water or cold water

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Warm water!

  • @gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919
    @gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of your cats could be my cat's twin!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh like a sibling? Where did you get your cat?

    • @gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919
      @gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheCatButler His father came from South Wales, his mother from the United States. He looks so much like Teemo it's uncanny. He is the first and only cat I ever bought from a breeder because I couldn't find a ragdoll in the shelters after months of looking for one. Now I get why you don't see this breed in shelters. They are amazing cats!

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919 oh that is awesome! it is possible they are indeed related. Teemo and Arya are from Seattle. But yeah its almost impossible to find a ragdoll in the shelter. I am glad you got one :)

    • @gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919
      @gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheCatButler He saved my day to day existence because little did I know at the time that a pandemic would hit. I would have been totally isolated and going crazy if it weren't for him.

  • @tanzeelahussain5294
    @tanzeelahussain5294 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i feed my 2 months old kittens boiled meat and chicken . is it okay or i should give them raw . one of them as minor infection as well

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes that’s ok! Just make sure for raw it’s from a quality source

  • @salast3rgrinch
    @salast3rgrinch 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What cat tree do you have?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey the tree was custom made!

  • @pigi8326
    @pigi8326 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ma che bei micioni che vedo!!! 🐱🐱🐱🐱💥💫💛💯⭐✨❣️😘😙💗💗💋😇💖💓💞🌝😴💖💓💞🌝😴💗🐱😙💗💋😇💖💓💞😘🐱🐱🐱🐱

  • @ITSG2370
    @ITSG2370 ปีที่แล้ว

    My neighbour cat 😺 doesn't want to get petted on its head. Do you know why??

  • @tobylarsen4719
    @tobylarsen4719 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If i adopt 2 kittens from the same litter from a shelter or a breeder will they only have a bond/ spend time together or will they want to spend time/love me? I really don’t know what to do😏 I have heard that adopting 2 is good if it’s from the same litter so they are siblings
    I’m living in a small apartment alone and could use some companionship. So is it better to get one kitten so it spents time with me only and not its sibling?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey that’s a good question. In my opinion adopting siblings is better as there is a better chance they get along. But in terms of companionship, you will see that both cats will want to spend time with you. And getting two won’t have them ignore you. My cats always want to cuddle and sit on my lap for reference. And it’s what I hear and see from other cat owners with multiple cats as well!

    • @tobylarsen4719
      @tobylarsen4719 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much for answering😊

    • @tobylarsen4719
      @tobylarsen4719 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is it best if I get a female and male cat or female and female? Have heard that getting 2 male cats is not the ideal

    • @tobylarsen4719
      @tobylarsen4719 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have read that actually make/male
      Or male female is the best. What do you think?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s all preference. You can’t go wrong with either. Only difference is males are bigger than females. Me personally I wanted a male and female and it has turned out well!

  • @yeswing10
    @yeswing10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How much is Pet Insurance?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So it depends on where you live and what brand and what pet insurance plan you choose. But i chose the preventative plus accidental plan (the best plan they have) so it was roughly 40 per month. Here is a more in depth video about pet insurance: How to Find the Best Pet Insurance for Cats and Dogs | The Cat Butler
      th-cam.com/video/gfRwOyG4lmk/w-d-xo.html

  • @HamdiAli-fb6vm
    @HamdiAli-fb6vm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What type of ragdolls do you have?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      cream bi color ragdolls!

  • @clairedsc5807
    @clairedsc5807 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, from 12-14 weeks on for them to get used to bathing/teeth brushing/claw trimming, how often do you do them so they will get used to the routine down the road? Thx

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hey Claire for teaching them to be used to trimming, teeth brushing, or bathing it would be once every day till they are trained. That way they don't forget. I go based on their own pace of learning. Some cats learn quickly and some cats learn quite slow. Also I only do once a day so they are comfortable and are eased into it.
      Hope that helps!
      Here are some tutorials I made on the subject:
      1. Bathing: th-cam.com/video/tcaJgnAm6pk/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/ORtlZG_RU1s/w-d-xo.html
      2. Teeth Brushing: th-cam.com/video/ttYmlbtwiA0/w-d-xo.html
      3. Nail Trimming: th-cam.com/video/m3aMxh4G9DM/w-d-xo.html

    • @clairedsc5807
      @clairedsc5807 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheCatButler wow, "every day" like a full-time mommy haha! Alright, may be not the "first day" LOL... True that every cat is different! But that's a good point esp. about bathing and claw-trimming... We don't do much teeth-brushing here as there are many treats and even "additives" to drinks for plaques thanks to many German products!

  • @dreamingflurry2729
    @dreamingflurry2729 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Strange, I don't think that good breeders sell kittens without chips (at least not in Germany), they are simply included in the cat-purchase, alongside all vaccinations, health checks etc.

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah i think its different in the US, but in Germany thats awesome they do all of that!

  • @MinionInc
    @MinionInc หลายเดือนก่อน

    You made me realize I'm not ready to get a cat 🙏

  • @ssoup5
    @ssoup5 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    why is bros voice so crisp

  • @Freedomrings4433
    @Freedomrings4433 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish I could afford adopting a cat

  • @Shadow-ru5pq
    @Shadow-ru5pq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've always wanted to be a landlord. My main rule would be that cat owners get a discount because of pest control. I'm not paying for pest control because cats do that naturally. So why not give a discount

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That makes sense!

    • @Shadow-ru5pq
      @Shadow-ru5pq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes and it is fair as well.

  • @Viviolau
    @Viviolau 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think I learned I can’t afford a cat :(
    Better to know b4 getting one tho

  • @pika23
    @pika23 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've tried meat and the cats won't eat it much. They are 7 months old and really like dry and also the little soups or stews by delectables and friskies

    • @shanggosteen9804
      @shanggosteen9804 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Every cat has their own special needs and likes and it's good that you were able to find your cats preferences

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah dry food can be hard to switch off because they add some addictive ingredient to it. It would take some time to switch them over.

    • @SuperChellx
      @SuperChellx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@shanggosteen9804 Not a good idea! Research. Dry food is bad for cats! They should be eating wet food at worst, raw food is the best.
      Don't just give your cat dry food!

  • @mirandarebecca3646
    @mirandarebecca3646 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maple won’t drink plain water. She gets it from her wet food.

  • @tacogaming498
    @tacogaming498 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it not very expensive to buy meat every time?

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it probably cost me about $130 per month

  • @Ladybirdsin16mm
    @Ladybirdsin16mm ปีที่แล้ว

    You can get quality dry food with NO grains/carbs in them. But yes raw is best

    • @SuperChellx
      @SuperChellx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doesn't matter. Dry food is NOT good for cats.

    • @michellepamela4445
      @michellepamela4445 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The carb is a concern, yes. But another arguably bigger concern is their water intake. Many cats don't get thirsty as much as they descend from desert dwelling ancestors, so feeding them wet or raw food can give them the much needed liquid intake boost

  • @randomcommenterr
    @randomcommenterr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My parents said we could get a cat but we didnt get one ):

  • @skatingcanuck9837
    @skatingcanuck9837 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate the informative tips here, but I don't think it's financially feasible for cat owners to exclusively serve a raw meat or wet food diet. I know some people who buy expensive quality dry food and also include wet food on a daily basis. It seems those cats in the video even eat better than me!

  • @EdwardThomasLee
    @EdwardThomasLee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    $800 for an x-ray? Ya, no cat for me. That's beyond ridiculous.

  • @FastestFPS
    @FastestFPS ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg this is so scummy pricing.... I pay literaly 50 bucks max for cat xray in poland.....

    • @TheCatButler
      @TheCatButler  ปีที่แล้ว

      Sadly everything in the us is more expensive. My guess is it must be regulation, and labor :(