Tbh this video feels more like “this is what I would love to see in smash melee” by having every character be better designed (besides snake) plus having way more content while having a similar amount of development time as 64.
@@tjtribble. More development time was the idea. Instead of a gap between 64 and Melee, they'd have a larger team that would start much earlier in 64's dev and carry it onto Melee's.
What I love about how Ganon is in smash games, is they got the right PLAYSTYLE, with a moveset so terribly wrong. His entire playstyle is being so scarily powerful that he scares you into making mistakes, and punishing them, with said scary power. He just doesn't.. do it WELL.
Yes they should of done the super armor smashes instead of the joke character little mac actually I'd kill for a cannon only smash game where characters like Gannon who are immortal can only be killed by the master sword which can only be wield by the trials of a hero so ness and Lucas any mother series party besides teddy and pipi bu characters like hero banjo if we got conquer yes if we got kirby maby he's had link like and zelda like Jones along with Mario luigy peach and daisy of any kind so basically after that nobody in the roster of smash weather bayonetta or bowser or even Ridley the biggest character in the game it would be so funny watching kirby instantly kill every character because kirby holds back unless it's a competion like smash bros so he just wins
Considering we've lost alot of charaters that sakarai didn't have Time for which sakarai wanted to put in but couldn't we lost ninten ecite bike toon zelda toon shiek plussle minal and Dixie and diddy and Gannon was a Captain falcon clone cause he couldn't include him so he just sucked so when if sakarai altered him I might actually love the series with over a thousand hours with playing every character considering the two fighter passes were playing the price of the game for just 11 characters that 62 percent aren't good the good character hero if you're lucky joker kazuya Terry some what though base game felling so dosint count min min but that's cause the range and Steve that's it sora has the best revry and the spells are okay and I've taking people off the top I like that but ness just does it better
People have made a mod like this, I think it’s called “smash 2”, it’s a melee themed version of pm with less characters. Just the characters who would’ve existed
Yeah this roster is so unrealistic No third party characters puff is out (no reason to keep her with the extra dev time abd less constraints due to the N64 Snake was only requested for melee due to 64 so even with third parties he’s out Cloud is Sony exclusive that’s not happening All the clones probably shouldn’t be there becatse there’s an actual time scale
This is a well done movie, but all I really think when I see this is that Melee-heads really just are so deranged and twisted they genuinely think "If Melee was made sooner we would have flying cars and world peace by now"
@@davidvkimball but in the option and a fact if melee and 64 and brawl 4 and ultimate were all waiting the smash games would have reached the goal for sakarai with dlc 100 characters and stages without dlc all the missing characters sakarai couldn't implement plusle minun ecite bike toon zelda and toon shiek impa Gannon with a actual moveset diddy and Dixie wario bowser ninten and ana lyiod and ness paula Jeff and poo would of been in 64 instead of ninten ana lyiod and ness and Paula jeff and poo would be replaced by Lucas kumutora boney duster in smash melee and it would be weird for the better and the everyone is here would be hilarious meing for fans we would have some more characters instead of imceriore we got dueigout and stuff banjo would of been base roster tails would of joined with sonic in melee and stuff but instead we got the timeline sakarai was rushed each time losing every single thing I mentioned if sakarai had more time the smash games would be even better
@@hunterculpepper1973 Sakurai had time for Brawl and the rest of the smash games. Melee was the only game where he was rushed for development because he was only given a year's worth of development with Hal laboratory to develop a game that would coincide with Gamecube's release. And the fact is people are still bashing him for "hating" melee when Sakurai spent a year of his own life trying to make their beloved game and became whiny pricks when Brawl and later smash games don't even resemble Melee in the slightest because Sakurai said he wanted to do something different and make the game more accessible. Those fuckers don't even deserve Melee
Cloud seemed like a weirdly lazy character design from a move set perspective since it looks like just smash 4 cloud, but I realize the video creator wasn't making mods just showcasing them to put in his video. I like the concept a ton and honestly wish melee would have came out with a roster like that cause I can't stick to it the way melee diehards do even though its my favorite in the series.
If they ever made Shadow in Smash, hed probably be super busted, especially in melee. When you think of his moveset, he could technically even have a shine, which could mean shine spiking. And he can shoot energy, so projectiles too? The dude would be a mix of sonic and fox. He could either be incredibly broken, or ridiculously bad. Theres no in-between here given his powers lol
Melee is better. When the next Smash game comes out, all the people who disagree will suddenly start saying they don't really like Ult, same way they did with Smash 4 and Brawl. Like clockwork.
8:49 I hope more people held this opinion, because the 16-17 year old me who was a Charizard main is EATING this up man. Even now i appreciate it more than i should, lmao.
If ultimate didn't play like I was escaping quick sand well being lighter then air I would fucking love that game, the buffer breaks me on a spiritual level
Ganon being bad in smash is perfect, but I like it for a different reason. I like the RelaxAlax theory most, where he still could do all his flying wizard stuff, but Smash is just a silly game to him, so he doesn't try at all, and only uses his fists and feet
On a similar note I love how Zero Suit Samus is usually way stronger than regular Samus tier list wise because it implies that the suit is *holding back* her extreme power
If speedrunning SM64 made you think SM64 is better than Banjo cause you got to see a ton of new cool tech… maybe you should try speedrunning Banjo? At least that way you’d know how both games are from both casual and speedrunning perspectives
I played melee for the first first time in a while and I have to say melee feels like trudging through sludge compared to ultimate. Like yeah the game play is faster butneithout the buffer system I can't get any of my inputs to works smootly
This looks like a neat roster, they all fit the timezone that melee released and it isn’t oversaturated with guest characters. This is brilliant! Not that guest characters are a bad thing, i just think Ultimate gave us too much.
Yeah in nintendo's eyes Ultimate is the definitive version of Smash and they will run it for 8+ years, port it over to the new system with all the dlc included and maybe 2 new characters.
Coney really said Ganondorf is better as a Falcon clone when it does not at all match with how he is in the Zelda games and has been a consistently terrible character because his moveset doesn't fit with his playstyle.
I agree about Banjo and Kazooie. I obv still love the character. The games just don’t hit like they used to. They’re so lame in smash. Literally the only character interpretation I can not stand.
"...as i started speedrunning 64 i realized mario 64 had so much more cool shit it in it...." really coney? in your 16 star runs where your skip 95% of the game? nahhh you smoking something my guy
I'm not sure if the build shown off is playable but please make it playable dear god. Fan smashes are becoming better than the games atm imo. Like Remix has taken over the regular games for me, I would be obsessed with this game for years if I could play it on real hardware like Remix
my hot take is that melee gamondorf doesn't suck. I was just wondering why Ganondorf is in the very middle of the tiers. Before I get into what I mean, allow me to first put out there that I have been playing for years, and I have watched MANY videos of the tournament masters. My brother and I found out, through years of play, literally EVERY advanced technique in the game, except the wavedash, which we stumbled upon, but wrote off as simply hilarious. I was surprised to find that all the wacky observations we have encountered and adapted are actually defined in the glossary in the sticky topic above! Three of the particularly surprising terms that I could not believe had been widely known and utilized were the Phantom Hit (I just thought I had a glitchy game) and that effect where recovering at the right time from attacks that sent you flying results in an upward boost if you jump out/air dodge/whatever early enough (I cannot remember what it was called in the sticky), and the waveland. Now, I have been using Ganondorf against my brother lately, and he cannot seem to beat me. We think we know why, and we think it puts Ganon at the top of the tiers. I will be brief. Ganondorf has his air forward. We call it 'The Punch.' It has that special hitbox like a sword, hence it goes right through anything except an attack with that same type of hitbox. It does 17% max, is relatively fast executing, has basically instant recovery on a barrier cancel, and is quite massive, killing at rather low percentages. If he misses, he can just do his A punch if the opponent tries to retaliate, or shield/roll. I am telling you, Ganondorf is a crazy meat mountain who crushes bones with many attacks doing 15+%, survives to insane damages thanks to his weight, and has ridiculous horizontal recovery (Double Jump, Ganondorf Kick Down B, ANOTHER Double Jump, ARE YOU SERIOUS, Up B). Next, check his roll. It goes like half screen. It makes him rather fast, nearly eliminating his speed problem on the ground, and a great character when it comes to the defensive game. It pretty much eliminates the need for his wavedash, which, with Ganondorf, who needs to do most of his attacking from hops, is pretty much useless already unless you are looking to smash attack. Wavesmashing, however, in my opinion, is also a bad idea, because, in the time and damage it takes you to actually land a smash, you could have just used The Punch and killed you opponent by then. Even though he has to fight mostly in the air, 3 of his 4 air attacks are pretty fast, and are quite massive. A major advantage he has is that nearly all his attacks move the opponent considerably, and can topple him from 0%, so his opponent gets little to no counterattack opportunity. The only explanation I can find for why he is low on the tiers is that no one has used him seriously. I think he really keeps up, if not tops, the top tier characters. I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. Is there online for this somewhere, or is that simply wishful thinking? If not, please do not yell at me and stuff until you at least check out The Punch. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give Ganondorf another shot and tell me what you thnk. Final Comment: People have a tendency to think that posts from newcomers to a board but veterans of its respective game are saying they are better than everyone else, regardles of what the post actually says. Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'Ganon is better than Fox.' I said, essentially: 'Ganon seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Fox. Check him out and see if you agree.' I will say, however, that I am a full master of Ganondorf. Please give Ganondorf a second look before responding so you know where I am coming from!
This guy just be making up random bullshit that he wants and doesn't make any sense to have. Dedede command grab would almost definitely not happen, and he gives the weird kirby horizontal up b that isn't in ANY Kirby game.
Thank you so much for featuring my video and watching it on stream!! You're the man, Coney
The PM QOL GOAT!
Greetings good lad. Loved your video.
@@emersonflorez97 thank you!
Loved your video, good lad.
I love how he calls videos "movies" instead. It makes them feel more special, like when the teacher brings in the TV in class
Coney is 100% the cool teacher
My geography teacher back in high school always used to call videos movies
Coney talking shit about every character and then loving shadow is the most coney thing i've seen 😂
Tbh this video feels more like “this is what I would love to see in smash melee” by having every character be better designed (besides snake) plus having way more content while having a similar amount of development time as 64.
It's definitely fan-fic material lol. I have another video that's "What if Melee had 6 more months of development?" that's a little more grounded.
Yeah the premise of this video doesn’t make any sense. Why would Melee have more content if it was made first?
@@tjtribble. More development time was the idea. Instead of a gap between 64 and Melee, they'd have a larger team that would start much earlier in 64's dev and carry it onto Melee's.
@@davidvkimballif melle would of had more development ninten would of been the only character America knew
@@davidvkimball and because of it mother 1 was released and to excellent praise and earthbound wasn't bad
Sakurai and Hal: Makes melee in 13 months.
CONEY: "Lazy and greedy devs."
I saw this comment right when he said it
What I love about how Ganon is in smash games, is they got the right PLAYSTYLE, with a moveset so terribly wrong.
His entire playstyle is being so scarily powerful that he scares you into making mistakes, and punishing them, with said scary power.
He just doesn't.. do it WELL.
Yes they should of done the super armor smashes instead of the joke character little mac actually I'd kill for a cannon only smash game where characters like Gannon who are immortal can only be killed by the master sword which can only be wield by the trials of a hero so ness and Lucas any mother series party besides teddy and pipi bu characters like hero banjo if we got conquer yes if we got kirby maby he's had link like and zelda like Jones along with Mario luigy peach and daisy of any kind so basically after that nobody in the roster of smash weather bayonetta or bowser or even Ridley the biggest character in the game it would be so funny watching kirby instantly kill every character because kirby holds back unless it's a competion like smash bros so he just wins
Considering we've lost alot of charaters that sakarai didn't have Time for which sakarai wanted to put in but couldn't we lost ninten ecite bike toon zelda toon shiek plussle minal and Dixie and diddy and Gannon was a Captain falcon clone cause he couldn't include him so he just sucked so when if sakarai altered him I might actually love the series with over a thousand hours with playing every character considering the two fighter passes were playing the price of the game for just 11 characters that 62 percent aren't good the good character hero if you're lucky joker kazuya Terry some what though base game felling so dosint count min min but that's cause the range and Steve that's it sora has the best revry and the spells are okay and I've taking people off the top I like that but ness just does it better
That “FIRE” at 17:20 was uncomfortably accurate
People have made a mod like this, I think it’s called “smash 2”, it’s a melee themed version of pm with less characters. Just the characters who would’ve existed
This is actually Codename: Melee Deluxe, which is based off of Smash 2 and Project+.
it looks like a lot of the characters are based off the versions that ended up in pm ex remix
@@demonssinglosongs yes, there is some crossover, but not all.
So toon zelda toon shiek and plusle and minun and I believe Gannon with a actual moveset and Dixie and diddy tag characters
12:20 there was an old joke that Roy's f-tilt was the best projectile in pm
No way they would ever get Cloud in the very first Smash Bros game. Shadow is also pushing it a bit
Especially with a whole new moveset and just nominally being a clone.
@@johndinner4418 Definitely pushing it haha.
@@davidvkimballI love you
Yeah this roster is so unrealistic
No third party characters puff is out (no reason to keep her with the extra dev time abd less constraints due to the N64
Snake was only requested for melee due to 64 so even with third parties he’s out
Cloud is Sony exclusive that’s not happening
All the clones probably shouldn’t be there becatse there’s an actual time scale
5:00 that's a broly-ass move!
This is a well done movie, but all I really think when I see this is that Melee-heads really just are so deranged and twisted they genuinely think "If Melee was made sooner we would have flying cars and world peace by now"
Lol! No this was just a for-fun video
@@davidvkimball no ill will meant by the way, was thoroughly entertaining!
@@METAS0MA Glad you enjoyed it!
@@davidvkimball but in the option and a fact if melee and 64 and brawl 4 and ultimate were all waiting the smash games would have reached the goal for sakarai with dlc 100 characters and stages without dlc all the missing characters sakarai couldn't implement plusle minun ecite bike toon zelda and toon shiek impa Gannon with a actual moveset diddy and Dixie wario bowser ninten and ana lyiod and ness paula Jeff and poo would of been in 64 instead of ninten ana lyiod and ness and Paula jeff and poo would be replaced by Lucas kumutora boney duster in smash melee and it would be weird for the better and the everyone is here would be hilarious meing for fans we would have some more characters instead of imceriore we got dueigout and stuff banjo would of been base roster tails would of joined with sonic in melee and stuff but instead we got the timeline sakarai was rushed each time losing every single thing I mentioned if sakarai had more time the smash games would be even better
@@hunterculpepper1973 Sakurai had time for Brawl and the rest of the smash games. Melee was the only game where he was rushed for development because he was only given a year's worth of development with Hal laboratory to develop a game that would coincide with Gamecube's release. And the fact is people are still bashing him for "hating" melee when Sakurai spent a year of his own life trying to make their beloved game and became whiny pricks when Brawl and later smash games don't even resemble Melee in the slightest because Sakurai said he wanted to do something different and make the game more accessible. Those fuckers don't even deserve Melee
NEW INSANE ICIES COMBO DISCOVERED (CONEYING)
Interesting idea but I'm iffy on their justification for cloud
Fair enough
The definition of a "Smash fan trying to make a game"
10:02 is such a good bit i fucking love it
you unlocked a memory in my head for wrestling rp
i had a homie in high school who would do that. jesus christ where do the years go
Cloud seemed like a weirdly lazy character design from a move set perspective since it looks like just smash 4 cloud, but I realize the video creator wasn't making mods just showcasing them to put in his video. I like the concept a ton and honestly wish melee would have came out with a roster like that cause I can't stick to it the way melee diehards do even though its my favorite in the series.
Not the Rugrats PS1 music. . .
*nostalgia intensifies*
If they ever made Shadow in Smash, hed probably be super busted, especially in melee. When you think of his moveset, he could technically even have a shine, which could mean shine spiking. And he can shoot energy, so projectiles too? The dude would be a mix of sonic and fox. He could either be incredibly broken, or ridiculously bad. Theres no in-between here given his powers lol
Melee is better. When the next Smash game comes out, all the people who disagree will suddenly start saying they don't really like Ult, same way they did with Smash 4 and Brawl. Like clockwork.
Shutup nobody cares
This was a good one!
7:45 Coney was 13 the day melee released. Sakurai must have him a copy of melee 8-9 years early.
8:49 I hope more people held this opinion, because the 16-17 year old me who was a Charizard main is EATING this up man. Even now i appreciate it more than i should, lmao.
Cloud looking like Smash 4 with how big those swings look.
Imagine Smash 4 cloud in Melee, would just demolish.
There's a Melee mod in development to add Cloud
@@MeesterTweester Can't wait for it
@@davidvkimball Same :) Cloud is so cool in Smash
That
*_fUCKING Rugrats N64 game music_*
You're bringing emotions out of me that I never thought would surface again
Rugrats Scavenger Hunt music from N64 was not at all what I was expecting to hear when I clicked on this video.
I kept seeing this vid in my feed. Now I have coney with me to watch it.
👀
@@davidvkimball Video creator PagMan
i would have played that game all the way to my grave shadow and wolf look insane
I discovered totsugeki didn't mean dolphin when I switched Strive to EN Dub and May started saying "Charge!!!"
It'd be way funnier if totsugeki meant dolphin.
If ultimate didn't play like I was escaping quick sand well being lighter then air I would fucking love that game, the buffer breaks me on a spiritual level
We are making it Coney
I just looked up shooting Star press, what a dope move
Was that Rugrats: Search for Reptar music I heard in the beginning?
We need Melee Minus, the sequel to Brawl Minus
This man trying to start wars with that title 💀
I don't think the move flare blitz even existed during melee
Shooting Star Press into headbutt...Meanwhile Brock Lesnar.
Melee's already better than Ultimate 😈
You're not wrong
"wish he did all this shit and was still bad" having played that mod yeah
Ganon being bad in smash is perfect, but I like it for a different reason. I like the RelaxAlax theory most, where he still could do all his flying wizard stuff, but Smash is just a silly game to him, so he doesn't try at all, and only uses his fists and feet
On a similar note I love how Zero Suit Samus is usually way stronger than regular Samus tier list wise because it implies that the suit is *holding back* her extreme power
NOT THE JOHN LENNON
I don't get what's going on but this is sick!
Glad you enjoyed it! Basically I'm showing off some mods for Brawl and Melee.
Master hand is my favorite Mario kart character
Alternate: "If Ultimate was Better Than Melee...", but it's Ultimate with Melee's speed and advanced techniques.
That’s hewdraw remix
that’s so funny because it already is!
If speedrunning SM64 made you think SM64 is better than Banjo cause you got to see a ton of new cool tech… maybe you should try speedrunning Banjo? At least that way you’d know how both games are from both casual and speedrunning perspectives
That kinda is the coney classic
@@Parpeing holy shit that’s a cute Ravio pfp omg
Goldeen doesn't actually know or learn splash Sakurai confused Goldeen with Magikarp
Melee is bigger than Ult. Time will tell it. R.I.P. Brawl and R.I.P. SMASH 4
"If"? It is though!
I played melee for the first first time in a while and I have to say melee feels like trudging through sludge compared to ultimate.
Like yeah the game play is faster butneithout the buffer system I can't get any of my inputs to works smootly
clicked because of the vid title
this is why Coney is goated
I never understood why nobody gives Meta Knight his traditional running animation from the Kirby games
This is literally PM dawg 😭
Not exactly, bought yes most movesets are based on P+, but not all. Models are Smash 2
Yeah the kirby sword dash looks annoying as hell
I want to see them turn smash into pokemon that would be fun
This looks like a neat roster, they all fit the timezone that melee released and it isn’t oversaturated with guest characters. This is brilliant!
Not that guest characters are a bad thing, i just think Ultimate gave us too much.
Yes! Glad you feel this way
If melee is so good then why isnt there a melee 2?
Yeah in nintendo's eyes Ultimate is the definitive version of Smash and they will run it for 8+ years, port it over to the new system with all the dlc included and maybe 2 new characters.
For his neutral b shadow wields a gun
I'd still defend Banjo-Kazooie > Mario 64
Great video! However, the tule seems a bit misleading: melee is already better than ultimate
You are correct!
Coney melee content we love to see it
CONEY DID WHAT TO MEEMAW?
Coney: "I get the most annoyed at Charizard." No you get the most annoyed at your grandma.
Coney really said Ganondorf is better as a Falcon clone when it does not at all match with how he is in the Zelda games and has been a consistently terrible character because his moveset doesn't fit with his playstyle.
"If Melee was Better Than Ultimate..."
We're living in that timeline
No we aren’t, ultimate is the ultimate smash game
nuh uh
these kids will never know how good it feels to schmoove
@@itsbrendannn7175 dude i suck at ult already i need to use training wheels before i use a unicycle
Melee players attempting to justify developing arthritis at age 25:
I like Melee more than Ultimate, but I like Project M/+ and Rivals more than Melee.
7:43 the best part about that story being that you still have anger issues. I'm not trying to be rude just an observation it's all in jest.
It is
It already is
Tbh, current ganon seems better than that amalgamation they created.
I agree about Banjo and Kazooie. I obv still love the character. The games just don’t hit like they used to. They’re so lame in smash. Literally the only character interpretation I can not stand.
The first few notes give me mad flashbacks
Angelica is a cheater
not the rugrats music. my ptsd from the goose is kicking in
I'mma be honest?
...fuck that Ganon XD
Every fan made moveset is either terrible or hella busted, and his is clearly the latter
Nah he SHOULD be busted
If any character deserves to be completely busted it's Ganondorf
"If Melee was better than Ultimate..."
You don't need to imagine that.
I didn't buy a switch until smash came out lucky I was able to play breath of the wild on the wii u thou to make that happen
13:37
i hope you have a bad day, coney
I have baughten 2 consuls for the sole purpose of playing smash brothers
Yeah this title is gonna start arguments in the comments
🍿
WHAT IF coney made good videos?
Wait so is this a real mod you can download or not?
Yes its called Project deluxe or something
what if ganondorf was mewtwo
some risky clickbait
16:39 Weird that it's Jason Griffith voicing Shadow instead of David Humphrey.
Definitely an oversight
"...as i started speedrunning 64 i realized mario 64 had so much more cool shit it in it...." really coney? in your 16 star runs where your skip 95% of the game? nahhh you smoking something my guy
You know there’s more categories of speed runs? There’s a 120 star one.
@@christomanci you know coney runs 16 stars right...
I'm not sure if the build shown off is playable but please make it playable dear god. Fan smashes are becoming better than the games atm imo. Like Remix has taken over the regular games for me, I would be obsessed with this game for years if I could play it on real hardware like Remix
Playable in parts, not as a complete package
@@davidvkimball If you could assemble a team to finish it or create some form of v0.1, I'd play that in a heartbeat!
@@ReallyRASYT they are literally showcasing both melee and brawl mods
plottwist: it alreAdy is
my hot take is that melee gamondorf doesn't suck.
I was just wondering why Ganondorf is in the very middle of the tiers. Before I get into what I mean, allow me to first put out there that I have been playing for years, and I have watched MANY videos of the tournament masters.
My brother and I found out, through years of play, literally EVERY advanced technique in the game, except the wavedash, which we stumbled upon, but wrote off as simply hilarious. I was surprised to find that all the wacky observations we have encountered and adapted are actually defined in the glossary in the sticky topic above! Three of the particularly surprising terms that I could not believe had been widely known and utilized were the Phantom Hit (I just thought I had a glitchy game) and that effect where recovering at the right time from attacks that sent you flying results in an upward boost if you jump out/air dodge/whatever early enough (I cannot remember what it was called in the sticky), and the waveland.
Now, I have been using Ganondorf against my brother lately, and he cannot seem to beat me. We think we know why, and we think it puts Ganon at the top of the tiers. I will be brief. Ganondorf has his air forward. We call it 'The Punch.' It has that special hitbox like a sword, hence it goes right through anything except an attack with that same type of hitbox. It does 17% max, is relatively fast executing, has basically instant recovery on a barrier cancel, and is quite massive, killing at rather low percentages.
If he misses, he can just do his A punch if the opponent tries to retaliate, or shield/roll. I am telling you, Ganondorf is a crazy meat mountain who crushes bones with many attacks doing 15+%, survives to insane damages thanks to his weight, and has ridiculous horizontal recovery (Double Jump, Ganondorf Kick Down B, ANOTHER Double Jump, ARE YOU SERIOUS, Up B).
Next, check his roll. It goes like half screen. It makes him rather fast, nearly eliminating his speed problem on the ground, and a great character when it comes to the defensive game. It pretty much eliminates the need for his wavedash, which, with Ganondorf, who needs to do most of his attacking from hops, is pretty much useless already unless you are looking to smash attack. Wavesmashing, however, in my opinion, is also a bad idea, because, in the time and damage it takes you to actually land a smash, you could have just used The Punch and killed you opponent by then.
Even though he has to fight mostly in the air, 3 of his 4 air attacks are pretty fast, and are quite massive. A major advantage he has is that nearly all his attacks move the opponent considerably, and can topple him from 0%, so his opponent gets little to no counterattack opportunity.
The only explanation I can find for why he is low on the tiers is that no one has used him seriously. I think he really keeps up, if not tops, the top tier characters.
I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. Is there online for this somewhere, or is that simply wishful thinking? If not, please do not yell at me and stuff until you at least check out The Punch. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give Ganondorf another shot and tell me what you thnk.
Final Comment: People have a tendency to think that posts from newcomers to a board but veterans of its respective game are saying they are better than everyone else, regardles of what the post actually says. Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'Ganon is better than Fox.' I said, essentially: 'Ganon seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Fox. Check him out and see if you agree.' I will say, however, that I am a full master of Ganondorf.
Please give Ganondorf a second look before responding so you know where I am coming from!
I don’t like melee ganondorf. He says “kick” every time he jumps and its annoying
Coney! Keep it up with the great content!😊
But it didn't happen lol. Melee was just melee 😅
Ok, Coney. I see your clickbait title. I'm also subbed but that's besides the point. >.>
Where is James Bond??
ultimate is objectively a better game but melee is just that guy and its tech is sick and theres no replacing it
Neither game is "objectively" better
How can you play ultimate online and say it's a better game than anything
@@BBB-pe3ip well melee is broken as fuck which makes it so great, that combined with a better design philosophy makes melee a better esport
7:02 heard you were talkin shit like I wouldn't find out
Is this the ultimate smash game
This guy just be making up random bullshit that he wants and doesn't make any sense to have. Dedede command grab would almost definitely not happen, and he gives the weird kirby horizontal up b that isn't in ANY Kirby game.
L take from Coney about Ganondorf