Absolutely, and just as everything is a weapon, every single one of those prisoners is a wealth of alien info, our nerds would stab their mentors with a butter knife for the shot at studying their life knowledge.
You'd be shocked how often it's space dust. ESPECIALLY radioactive space dust... You get enough of it going fast enough and you can melt a whole planet in no time flat. Like literally a few hours to just vaporize it. Hope you apes never have to see that one up close and personal 😅
What do you mean “even”? ESPECIALLY dust. Fire a 1/1 millimeter grain of tungsten out of a Railgun and watch what happens to the next 100 things it collides with, because it’s going through all of them.
Ian Douglas wrote a bunch of books about the future US Marine Corps. I don't remember which one it was but after Earth was attacked the military packed a few cargo holds of Mars dust and traveled to the nearest enemy system. they traveled without warp drives so they were flying close to the speed of light. As they arrived in the enemy, they aligned themselves towards the target and opened the cargo holds as they decelerated. the Martian dust flew out as the ship altered course. the dust was traveling at a high percentage of the speed of light when it hit the enemy planet, causing incredible damage.
I was expecting the dust to come through the shields when they fired the rail guns since they went over the shields having to make a gap for the missile
Neat detail. Quick thinking picking this point up. Yeah, indeed, if they had to lower their shield to fire the rail-gun they definitely would have been hit ( tho maybe the speed of the projectiles being 1/4 lightspeed it wasn't necessary ? Idk ) PS: maybe it actually happened but the human vessel was able to pick up the energy surge of the rail-gun charging up and stopped the " pocket sand " to avoid destroying the ship ? Once again, pure speculation.
I suspect the magnetic dust followed the strength of the field lines when the shields collapsed to fire out. I remember the pictures of putting iron filings near a magnet and the dust went toward the poles. This is my speculation.
Raúl guns use electromagnetism to accelerate their projectiles so I would have expected for the residual magnetic field following the rail gun round to mess with the magnetic field controlling the particles, at least near the bore of the cannon.
@@Boopboob More likely that the shield only opens a hole exactly big enough to let the projectile through, which would in turn block anything else with its mass Furthermore, at a quarter-light speed the hole would only be there for an infinitesimal fraction of a second
Ahhhhh the good old (new) macron gun and dust gun physically impossible to stop or detect sure your shield might hold up to a billion being thrown at you but what if the ship in question can fire trillion of dust?
@@ceu160193 Here is the problem with that. If your ship isn't designed with that level of a magnetic field from the very beginning, electrically charging your shield to become a giant magnet will fry your own ship. The author also messed up with the need to even move the dust to create a shield against the laser. A magnetic field of that size and strength would literally push the laser aside. Lasers need an atmosphere to retain strength or something to hold it's power, plasma is used in most sci fi. So a single mile would be enough to reduce the laser's strength by half in the void, also magnetic fields of that strength also bend light. The magnetic field around the ship is enough on it's own. The laser uses plasma you say? Have I got something hilarious for YOU! Plasma is effected by magnetic fields too only more strongly! If you add in an oscillating wave to the field the plasma cased laser could actually be sent right back to whatever fired it. Science is fun! This is why I laugh when sci fi uses kinetic or ion shields. Give me a magnetic shield. A kinetic shield would allow in things slower than a set speed or would allow in energy. An ion shield would barely stop a kinetic round (bullets and missiles) while being very useful in protecting from energy. As you can guess I despise shields in games for this reason when they allow shields to block everything for this very reason. As a sci fi game they should do the bare minimum of science to make it function. Space fantasy? Hey go at it, you included magic and junk I don't care anymore as you now have more things to pull from to make it work. Anyway, a magnetic field strong enough to act as a shield would disperse energy attacks as all energy is effected by magnetism INCLUDING RADIATION (albeit radiation is effected a lot less and would require a more powerful field) and would also stop kinetics like a steel wall. Energy attacks would be dispersed and reflected while kinetic attacks would just explode or squash against the shield and those at an angle would be deflected aside. It is the strongest shield type, just requires a monstrous power source to make it strong enough and proper tech to keep it's strength on the edges and not throughout the whole field as you don't want it having the full effect on the thing you are protecting either. Also remember, if you have the ability to generate magnetic fields of this strength, you also have the ability to manipulate gravity in small ways and also EMP an entire enemy ship just by getting it inside of your field. Ramming actions with such a ship would be DEVESTATING to any ship not designed from the base up against magnetic warfare.
i wonder.... was it *really* Dust? For a species so advanced, that their sensors dont even recognize repeated ballistic impacts as troublesome, i guess even Gattling-Ammunition would be called "dust" compared to the size of a Spaceship. It would be fitting for humanity to use radioactive bullets, charged by a strong magnetic field. Not a Railgun, but a Railgattling.
Probably. Reminds me of old Soviet, sci-fi, where spaceships didn't have weapons, but allowed "creative use" of equipment, such as meteor defense cannon, which packed enough power to obliterate entire fleets.
At 9:53 the aliens deploy their own railguns. The author flubbed. A particle accelerator and a railgun are little more than scaled versions of each other (granted a coilgun is more likely to be used on such a small scale).
Actually, it is dust, in a literal “Dust Gun”; more precisely, it works by taking micrometer-scale carbon spheres filled with uranium or plutonium and yeeted out of an electromagnetic accelerator at speeds upwards of 100km/s. A channel by the name of Spacedock did a video going into good detail about these “dust guns” also known as Macrons, and I would highly recommend watching that to learn more.
@@Gameomaster-vv1cx throw me some hints here.... Carbon isnt a metal, its not affected by electromagnetism. How can an electromagnetic accelerator move Non-metallic Carbon spheres?
Loved it... Though the size of the magnetic field should have been a giveaway. It requires exponentially more power input to increase field strength at a distance. Nothing with that kind of power output is harmless, peaceful maybe, but not harmless. The smart move would have been to jump away the millisecond the laser strikes failed. (Can l also say how stupidly good their computers must be to provide counterfire against a *laser!!*) However, it would appear that doesn't train smart captains as much as it trains brave ones. A fact that I am sure the dusters appreciate greatly.
There's a sci-fi series that I read a while back, one of the missiles that their fighters carried were "sand casters" which were used as a countermeasure against other missiles. One the pilots uses it to stop an asteroid that's going to impact earth by accelerating to a relativistic speed and firing, causing the individual grains of sand to impact with a similar force or the Hiroshima a-bomb.
Ah yes, a particle beam weapon. The US Military has been experimenting with this technology since the 50's. The problem is power. There is no current power source powerful enough to power one that can be used as a weapon. At least on a scale that would be actually useful. We actually have two currently in use. The Large Hadron Collider and the Tevatron, are both particle accelerators (particle beam). One day maybe.
huh, i tried that out in space engineers once, the sim speed really wasn't there but it works like a charm. whole load of free scrap, barely had to start mining.
Considering the amount of radiation, ionized dust/gas and cosmic rays in interstellar space, any civilization bested by those should reconsider going back to the drawing-board!
The shields dropped like 1% when dealing millions of times the normal rate they would encounter dust. So may be like comparing sunlight to an anti-missile laser beam.
In Ian Douglas terminology that is C-Shotgun - as in shotgun using partiles accelerated to relatvisitc vdloctes to deal damage, and even by real world math that would be ridiculously overpowered, ti the point of being able to strip planets of atmosphere. And yes, if you were to look into first books of star carrier it started off as ARTO (anti missle shield).
dust guns and dust shields they are basically the closest concepts we have to the most realistically viable sci fi weapons in real life. they aren't the flashiest, but they match most of the ideas and conceptions of what we wish for those concepts from sci fi. for the dust shield i imagine you could do such a thing using copper dust. the copper would not immediately be attracted to the electromagnet and instead generates an opposing magnetic field. you could have two field generators or more to manipulate these copper dust. heck maybe you could make some kind of more powerful directed halbach array kind of thingy to really have fine control over these. focus shield on one zone where you want to block some attacks. not like im an engineer but it does seem to be plausible.
Im curious why or how that tech came to be used in the first place. Was it a tool that transitioned to weapon or was it developed to fight some war among humans or after the discovery of aliens?
When you shoot a gun in space the problem is that the bullet will not slow down once in motion stays in motion that is why we don't put guns in space ships because if you miss then you place holes in your ship and you die because of the lack of oxygen do not shoot guns in space
They do put guns on space ships. The ISS generally has at least 2 aboard. On the reentry capsules and meant for if you land in the middle of nowhere but everyone has access to them.
@@MechanicaMenace if you shoot a gun in the space ship make sure you don't miss blood tends to go every where because it is a liquid and no gravity to keep it in one place more important is that why place one on a space ship I find it dangerous
@@Desoda_is_my_name_or_somethingWouldn't the blood stay on the body? I mean without gravity to pull it off, the surface tension would keep it from leaking.
Pocket Sand!
Fukkin yes
Slow down there, Dale.
*Relativistic* pocket sand-even better!
NYAAAH!
Dammit Dale! Stop that.
Well wasn't that a delightful little romp of "Maybe use a magnatar as a power source. We'll throw dust at everything!"
Everything is a weapon, even spacedust.
Absolutely, and just as everything is a weapon, every single one of those prisoners is a wealth of alien info, our nerds would stab their mentors with a butter knife for the shot at studying their life knowledge.
Even the floor.. the walls..
Tiny rocks
You'd be shocked how often it's space dust. ESPECIALLY radioactive space dust...
You get enough of it going fast enough and you can melt a whole planet in no time flat. Like literally a few hours to just vaporize it.
Hope you apes never have to see that one up close and personal 😅
What do you mean “even”?
ESPECIALLY dust. Fire a 1/1 millimeter grain of tungsten out of a Railgun and watch what happens to the next 100 things it collides with, because it’s going through all of them.
Ian Douglas wrote a bunch of books about the future US Marine Corps. I don't remember which one it was but after Earth was attacked the military packed a few cargo holds of Mars dust and traveled to the nearest enemy system. they traveled without warp drives so they were flying close to the speed of light. As they arrived in the enemy, they aligned themselves towards the target and opened the cargo holds as they decelerated. the Martian dust flew out as the ship altered course. the dust was traveling at a high percentage of the speed of light when it hit the enemy planet, causing incredible damage.
That sounds like Marines to me. "Hit it with a (very tiny) rock!"
@@joshuafischer684proper military terminology: "fucking send it"
Martian buck shot
@@bartofii As an F-22 Crew Chief. I can confirm the truth of that. "Fuckin' send it"
@@bartofiifucking sand it
Humanity proving yet again what creative little beasts we are
Said like someone who isn't actually one if them...
🤔...
@@LezlyLikesYuri phrased strangely if you are claiming to be part "of them"
@@bradwolf07 I made no such claim
Also, my typing skills leave something to be desired 😅
@@LezlyLikesYuri so you are claiming not to be human then?
@@bradwolf07 never made that one either. You apes lol, always jumping to conclusions. Just vibe my guy 😋
Behold my sand blaster of DOOM!!!
Iscalium next.
They were lucky their opponent was only armed with a sand blaster and not a power washer.
I was expecting the dust to come through the shields when they fired the rail guns since they went over the shields having to make a gap for the missile
Neat detail.
Quick thinking picking this point up.
Yeah, indeed, if they had to lower their shield to fire the rail-gun they definitely would have been hit ( tho maybe the speed of the projectiles being 1/4 lightspeed it wasn't necessary ? Idk )
PS: maybe it actually happened but the human vessel was able to pick up the energy surge of the rail-gun charging up and stopped the " pocket sand " to avoid destroying the ship ?
Once again, pure speculation.
I suspect the magnetic dust followed the strength of the field lines when the shields collapsed to fire out. I remember the pictures of putting iron filings near a magnet and the dust went toward the poles.
This is my speculation.
Raúl guns use electromagnetism to accelerate their projectiles so I would have expected for the residual magnetic field following the rail gun round to mess with the magnetic field controlling the particles, at least near the bore of the cannon.
@@Boopboob More likely that the shield only opens a hole exactly big enough to let the projectile through, which would in turn block anything else with its mass
Furthermore, at a quarter-light speed the hole would only be there for an infinitesimal fraction of a second
Mister...you just barked at the wrong dog.
Enjoy your free vacation, xeno.
I like the man once said _"I'm going to put some dirt in your eye~."😏_
Good ol bully Maguire
Have you ever had sand thrown in your eyes? It's debilitating.
@@TJCID22 "I missed the part where that's my problem..."😐
@@goddragon8637"I miss the part where that's my problem" 😏
Technically it is still just throwing rocks. Yeet M'Fer
A Torsion Dust Field... Smart
This is why Anakin hated sand.
Ahhhhh the good old (new) macron gun and dust gun physically impossible to stop or detect sure your shield might hold up to a billion being thrown at you but what if the ship in question can fire trillion of dust?
Then you need to use magnetic field to deviate that dust beam away from your hull.
@@ceu160193 Here is the problem with that. If your ship isn't designed with that level of a magnetic field from the very beginning, electrically charging your shield to become a giant magnet will fry your own ship.
The author also messed up with the need to even move the dust to create a shield against the laser. A magnetic field of that size and strength would literally push the laser aside. Lasers need an atmosphere to retain strength or something to hold it's power, plasma is used in most sci fi. So a single mile would be enough to reduce the laser's strength by half in the void, also magnetic fields of that strength also bend light. The magnetic field around the ship is enough on it's own. The laser uses plasma you say? Have I got something hilarious for YOU! Plasma is effected by magnetic fields too only more strongly! If you add in an oscillating wave to the field the plasma cased laser could actually be sent right back to whatever fired it.
Science is fun!
This is why I laugh when sci fi uses kinetic or ion shields. Give me a magnetic shield. A kinetic shield would allow in things slower than a set speed or would allow in energy. An ion shield would barely stop a kinetic round (bullets and missiles) while being very useful in protecting from energy. As you can guess I despise shields in games for this reason when they allow shields to block everything for this very reason. As a sci fi game they should do the bare minimum of science to make it function. Space fantasy? Hey go at it, you included magic and junk I don't care anymore as you now have more things to pull from to make it work. Anyway, a magnetic field strong enough to act as a shield would disperse energy attacks as all energy is effected by magnetism INCLUDING RADIATION (albeit radiation is effected a lot less and would require a more powerful field) and would also stop kinetics like a steel wall. Energy attacks would be dispersed and reflected while kinetic attacks would just explode or squash against the shield and those at an angle would be deflected aside. It is the strongest shield type, just requires a monstrous power source to make it strong enough and proper tech to keep it's strength on the edges and not throughout the whole field as you don't want it having the full effect on the thing you are protecting either.
Also remember, if you have the ability to generate magnetic fields of this strength, you also have the ability to manipulate gravity in small ways and also EMP an entire enemy ship just by getting it inside of your field. Ramming actions with such a ship would be DEVESTATING to any ship not designed from the base up against magnetic warfare.
i wonder.... was it *really* Dust?
For a species so advanced, that their sensors dont even recognize repeated ballistic impacts as troublesome, i guess even Gattling-Ammunition would be called "dust" compared to the size of a Spaceship. It would be fitting for humanity to use radioactive bullets, charged by a strong magnetic field. Not a Railgun, but a Railgattling.
Probably. Reminds me of old Soviet, sci-fi, where spaceships didn't have weapons, but allowed "creative use" of equipment, such as meteor defense cannon, which packed enough power to obliterate entire fleets.
At 9:53 the aliens deploy their own railguns.
The author flubbed. A particle accelerator and a railgun are little more than scaled versions of each other (granted a coilgun is more likely to be used on such a small scale).
Actually, it is dust, in a literal “Dust Gun”; more precisely, it works by taking micrometer-scale carbon spheres filled with uranium or plutonium and yeeted out of an electromagnetic accelerator at speeds upwards of 100km/s. A channel by the name of Spacedock did a video going into good detail about these “dust guns” also known as Macrons, and I would highly recommend watching that to learn more.
@@Gameomaster-vv1cx throw me some hints here.... Carbon isnt a metal, its not affected by electromagnetism. How can an electromagnetic accelerator move Non-metallic Carbon spheres?
@@smaragdwolf1 Carbon is conductive, and conductive material becomes magnetic, if electric current runs through it.
Kinetic!
Kinetic!
Kinetic sand!
Sounds like the author had been watching Lex on a loop.
I approve of the expansion on that wonderfully silly ship
One of my favourite weapons in Sci-fi! The Macron Gun. Aka: good ol' lint and Pocketsand
Particle Projector cannon go nyooooooom
i imagine this was written right after spacedocks video The Deadliest Hard Sci-Fi Weapon You've Never Heard Of (Macrons, Dust Guns)
Loved it...
Though the size of the magnetic field should have been a giveaway. It requires exponentially more power input to increase field strength at a distance. Nothing with that kind of power output is harmless, peaceful maybe, but not harmless.
The smart move would have been to jump away the millisecond the laser strikes failed. (Can l also say how stupidly good their computers must be to provide counterfire against a *laser!!*) However, it would appear that doesn't train smart captains as much as it trains brave ones. A fact that I am sure the dusters appreciate greatly.
Orbital sandblaster for the win
There's a sci-fi series that I read a while back, one of the missiles that their fighters carried were "sand casters" which were used as a countermeasure against other missiles. One the pilots uses it to stop an asteroid that's going to impact earth by accelerating to a relativistic speed and firing, causing the individual grains of sand to impact with a similar force or the Hiroshima a-bomb.
Ah yes, a particle beam weapon. The US Military has been experimenting with this technology since the 50's. The problem is power. There is no current power source powerful enough to power one that can be used as a weapon. At least on a scale that would be actually useful.
We actually have two currently in use. The Large Hadron Collider and the Tevatron, are both particle accelerators (particle beam).
One day maybe.
This weapon is using macrons, not subatomic particles - hence "dust".
Problem is that such weapon is unsuitable for atmospheric conditions, only for space combat.
From dust you came, to dust you return.
cj said it best "Aw shit, here we go again"
huh, i tried that out in space engineers once, the sim speed really wasn't there but it works like a charm.
whole load of free scrap, barely had to start mining.
if this isnt the start of a longer story itll be a pity
I was thinking nanobots as an open space weapon
Considering the amount of radiation, ionized dust/gas and cosmic rays in interstellar space, any civilization bested by those should reconsider going back to the drawing-board!
The shields dropped like 1% when dealing millions of times the normal rate they would encounter dust. So may be like comparing sunlight to an anti-missile laser beam.
In Ian Douglas terminology that is C-Shotgun - as in shotgun using partiles accelerated to relatvisitc vdloctes to deal damage, and even by real world math that would be ridiculously overpowered, ti the point of being able to strip planets of atmosphere.
And yes, if you were to look into first books of star carrier it started off as ARTO (anti missle shield).
Dust guns, very powerful
Stellaris played vs space dnd players
dust guns and dust shields they are basically the closest concepts we have to the most realistically viable sci fi weapons in real life.
they aren't the flashiest, but they match most of the ideas and conceptions of what we wish for those concepts from sci fi.
for the dust shield i imagine you could do such a thing using copper dust.
the copper would not immediately be attracted to the electromagnet and instead generates an opposing magnetic field.
you could have two field generators or more to manipulate these copper dust. heck maybe you could make some kind of more powerful directed halbach array kind of thingy to really have fine control over these. focus shield on one zone where you want to block some attacks.
not like im an engineer but it does seem to be plausible.
It’s like a bullet but they traded the mass for speed
I really loved this, I hope the author decides to make more!
Thank you for the reading
Those aliens ran into the uss Dale Gribble
I think space dock covered the ins and outs of Dust weapons on one of their breakdowns.
The particle weapons one.
Yay Macron gun.
Pocket Sand, Go!!!
Better than most of these stories. It is at least logically plausible.
This is awesome.
particle accelerator moment
The alien's computers are shit. They have to restart the entire sensor system just to apply a filter to the incoming data.
Im curious why or how that tech came to be used in the first place. Was it a tool that transitioned to weapon or was it developed to fight some war among humans or after the discovery of aliens?
Enemy species shoots lasers, humans Pocket Sand
When you shoot a gun in space the problem is that the bullet will not slow down once in motion stays in motion that is why we don't put guns in space ships because if you miss then you place holes in your ship and you die because of the lack of oxygen do not shoot guns in space
They do put guns on space ships. The ISS generally has at least 2 aboard. On the reentry capsules and meant for if you land in the middle of nowhere but everyone has access to them.
@@MechanicaMenace if you shoot a gun in the space ship make sure you don't miss blood tends to go every where because it is a liquid and no gravity to keep it in one place more important is that why place one on a space ship I find it dangerous
@@Desoda_is_my_name_or_somethingWouldn't the blood stay on the body? I mean without gravity to pull it off, the surface tension would keep it from leaking.
Anything and everything in space is a bullet.
@@SoMuchFacepalm depends where the injury is. Tears do stick to the eyes. And any blood that escaped would more form floating globules than "splatter"
This was a good one
I need this story but with fish instead of Sand
At least it ain't rocks. They can definitely see those coming and there isn't a goddammn thing they can do about it.
For the algorithm 👍 ❤️ ✨️
humanos: tecnologia gratis!!🤣🤣🤣
Surprising. I expected a lot more... Endless comments.
For The Algorithm
Third lol good story
Text is unreadable...........
First!
I really loved this, I hope the author decides to make more!
Exactly my sentiment as well.