@@Nishye501 razer sponsors like everyone and their friends. mostly on twitch I guess, but I know several small time streamers and they have all had or are sponsored by razer. imo though, their products are trash, for the money you can do a lot better, but i guess thats because most of the moeny is in marketing :)
Two things for working with epoxy: 1: Masking tape is your friend. For running the wires up the tube, a strip of tape on either side of the wires would keep excess off the surface. Additionally the tape could be used as a guide for your forming tool. 2: If you want to use a filler such as Kevlar powder in your epoxy but don’t like the rough surface, wait a bit for the epoxy to set up after shaping, then wipe it down with some denatured alcohol to smooth the surface. Wait for the epoxy to be stiff enough to stay in place, but still soft enough to be shaped. The alcohol softens the surface slightly allowing it to move more. Just using your gloved finger, wet with alcohol, will make the surface nice and smooth. This is a common practice in boatbuilding fillets.
A friend of mine worked for Saab and they found out the hard way that CA can interfere with electrical connections on the JAS 39 Gripen aircraft. As far as I know its safe to pot a wire with it however its imperative to keep it far away from connecters or contacts. Given the cost and complexity of my work learning this forced me to rethink how I used CA in the future. Keep up the great work! You do things that are inspirational. Thankyou...
To be fair to his stupidity I'm pretty dumb myself and as soon as I saw him gluing those exposed wires to carbon I was screaming at the screen. Reminds me of my favorite quote “Mankind is made of two kinds of people: wise people who know they're fools and fools who think they are wise.” - Socrates
So, he might be, because he dug out the leads, and covered them in CA, instead of like, using heat shrink. The CA will crack up under vibrational loading in flight, short out, and wheeeeeeee. Just use the bloody heat shrink, my dude. You will save yourself the tears.
@@arfink -- It's encased in epoxy now, as long as there's a physical barrier between the CF and the wire, the physical strength shouldn't matter. Laying some epoxy in the grove before adding the wires might end up stronger though.
I was so relieved when you realised your oversight about carbon fibre being conductive. from building carbon fibre framed quads i learned how careful you need to be.
I was ripping apart an old laptop today for parts and I found a ribbon cable w/ graphite conductor traces. I’d have assumed it was a funky color of insulation or whatever until I remembered this video. Ripped the sandwich of plastic around it apart and sure enough, it wrote on paper. I love materials that take just that *little* bit more thinking. Delightful.
Honestly I really appreciate that Joe is going to the effort to show everyone the safety you need to have when you work with this stuff. Sharp contrast to other youtubers who go "Safety? What's that lol"
Please give us more of these style video's! I absolutely love it when you allow yourself to go into more detail about the technicalities instead of trying to make the video watchable for the larger audience. Not that I think this video won't be liked by the masses - I thought it was fantastic, but yeah: please more of this :)
Carbon fiber dust can accumulate in wall outlets, power tools, and electronics causing shorts and destroving equipment . Boeing had a learning curve to develope methods of machining and decontamination when they started using carbon layups. Thanks for producing these facinating videos, good luck on your Mach 3 flight.
I wonder if some kind of "tent" around the work area would help. I would be really scared of carbon fiber dust (and other kinds of grinding dust) accumulating on all the exposed surfaces inside that garage and inside all the irregularly shaped (= difficult to clean) cavities there.
😂😂I knew it! When someone talks about Boeing, and how they've improved/learned something, someone else will point out how they've missed stuff on other occasions. 😂
Having designed composite parts at my job I couldn't help but cringe at seeing him machine composite laminate. He would need an autoclave, but the right way to make those fins is to lay up the plies on a tool to shape and cure under pressure. But he's not set up for that.
I love the "Oh Woooooowwww" moment with the CF. That moment you realize you're thinking on level 8 but something at level 2 smacks you upside the head like "Hey DUMMY! Remember this??"
Great video! You might want to try adding a thixotropic agent (colloidal silica powder) when mixing epoxy for the fillets. It turns the resin into a gel-like form that won’t drip and holds its shape. This way, you wouldn’t need to wait an hour or more for the resin to hold its shape. Trust me, thixotropic agent is fantastic-you could even make a snowball-sized blob of epoxy and stick it to a wall! 😄 Thanks for the video!
15:23 careful with those bare soldering points; carbon fiber composites are highly conductive LOL 16:40 one minute later you found out. Very attentive my man!
When I was a kid, I wanted to do what you are doing now. Little did I realize how much I did not know. Small model rockets were fun, but graduating to the big time is an amazing/complex effort. Thank you for your devotion to excellence and transparency!!
@@user-dhdirks Same here! Grew up building semi-custom model rockets (semi means throwing away the instructions). While I never took the hobby to Joe's level, I did end up working in rocket science as a Prod-Ops Manager with LM Missiles & Fire Control. I've worked on several programs including PAC-3, HIMARS, ATACMS, PrSM and THAAD.
@@bryanhoppe1481 Great story. In retrospect, my childhood fun experimenting with rocketry, electronics, etc. established my path--as it apparently did in yours. I ended up working at two DOE National Labs doing all kinds of interesting (and challenging) engineering and science. I wish more kids would find fun in STEM activities. Might change their career path and boost the nations need for scientists and engineers.
I used to build a lot of drone frames on a cnc router and really liked doing it underwater, the finish was great and it was soooo quite too. It takes a bit of work to get a good system for doing it underwater though. I found a place that made semi custom stainless appliance drip trays. Got the biggest size that fit on my machine, and I bolted an aluminum t slot table down to the frame through the tray and sealed the holes with o-rings between the tray and my machine frame. This provides a nice solid surface you can attach to in various ways. Surprisingly the tape I used held up fine for a few hours under water. Add a drain to the tray and you are in business. Thanks for the distraction tonight!
I've also cut carbon fiber parts underwater on a CNC router, and I just used a cheap thin baking tray. Drilled some holes in the carbon fiber and wasteboard material, and screwed through the carbon - wasteboard - baking tray stackup into a secondary MDF wasteboard. Worked well.
Are there any effective wet sanding techniques that don't require putting the entire vehicle under water? Quite a few sanding steps were done after assembly.
I made mine out of the vinyl drip mats used for showers.... just lined a table that had a 4 inch lip and set the machine in there. , then put some splash guards up..... double filtered. You would be surprised how quick carbon fiber clogs filters. I use some paper towel filters as a pre-filter.... it gets most of it out.... but have to be replaced nearly every session. Also 100% use fish-tail cutting bits. th-cam.com/video/U70rWAazc0Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UPQvOhJSD40JRjCF
JoeyB out here with some high quality sponsors, love to see it!! I was really concerned to see those exposed servo leads touching carbon, but hilarious when you figured it out! Awesome work as always!
Common power and ground could be used for the servos and the carbon could be utilised as the common ground. A copper mesh can be epoxied onto the carbon tube to attach the ground wires to. This would reduce the number of individual wires from the controller to the servos from 12 to 5. Maybe overkill at this point but if you have more components needing ground it would become more valuable to use the chassis as a ground and reduce the amount of wiring.
Also, why not use heat shrink to isolate the wires from each other and the carbon fibre? That's pretty commonly how it's done for other non-recoket projects.
He tells that those fibers are very dangerous. Then he went outside and sands the stuff in his backyard. That made me very angry. As if the dust magiclly disappers in the free air. If his neighbors newborn gets cancer, its maybe because a fool is dispensing toxic dust over his neighhbourhood. really angry...
@@floriandreimann7964 Indeed this channel is generally great, but that was incredible. "Carbon fiber dust is worse than asbestos, let me spread it all over my neighborhood"
This gonna be epic! And a small advice, one of the very first things that I’ve learned at the engineering school: Every time you cut and solder an extension cable you need to seal it with termofit or any isolation method, in order to prevent shortcuts, discharges, electrical noise on the signals, etc, in this case this could result in a short cut of those expensive servos, and every penny counts.
At 3:25, That's a funny microphone you got right there. Must be some cool new technology! Edit: as I watch the video, your idea of what counts as a microphone astounds me
Lavalier microphone clipped to something to hold onto. Could just wear the thing as intended, but sometimes you get better sound by holding it. And buying a handheld microphone is more money not spent on rockets…
I would just like to thank you for producing such high-quality videos. It is unbelievable how much effort you are putting in. I studied aerospace engineering and this video shows what these studies are meant for.
Great video again!! From one hobbyist to another, we typically embed a bronze(oil-lite) bushing into the carbon, then your pin is a precise fit into the bushing. This way you get minimal back lash and smoother operation. Cheap bronze stock from our McMaster friends 😉
Years back the xjet channel mostly did videos on pulse jet engines. He decided he could make a pulse jet guided rocket and started working on it. The US government did not like the idea and called it a cruise missile, Enough pressure was put on New Zealand by the US that they banned his research. In the end he had to remove his all of his content off the internet and now only does r/c flying and drone content. Just a heads up, what is a hobby to one person may be considered a weapon by those in power.
A couple of other youtubers have run into that. Seems to be, as long as there is no way for the rocket or pulse jet to be guided, they are left alone. Xjet was more or less okay until 911 when there was a purge on available information on the internet (before then there were detailed blogs regarding pulse jets and other things).
Joe has already been running into these issues. Certain information we'd love to know is left out or blurred in past videos to prevent crossing into FBI investigation land.
I am a mechanical design engineer and design automated manufacturing equipment. Servos are how we get precise position, speed, and torque control. This is really so cool to see you applying all this to the rocket. I have learned a tremendous amount from this. Thanks. This is awesome.
It's easy to admire the feats of engineering that SpaceX are accomplishing....... but I think I have even greater admiration for the Solo Engineer aiming for the vacuum. Bon chance!
I totally enjoyed this video as it felt more casual and personal. Sharing the good and bad works on many levels. Obviously we too can learn from your mistakes, but they also make you more human and relatable. Been there, done that. Keep up the great work, and stick with your safety protocols. Given the flammable chemicals and paints you have, you may want to consider a flammables cabinet. I kept watching auctions to pick one up much cheaper than new, and got lucky with a like new cabinet.
37:44 As someone who designed rail guides for a (almost) Mach 3 rocket, I feel so called out right now. Ours were made out of aluminum and the upper one bolted right into the motor adapter, while the lower one was initially epoxied to fin can, but that wasn't strong enough and we ended up using set screws to lock it in place. Your rail guides have a lot more contact area with the tube though, so they should be fine.
For future builds, consider heat shrink over the solder joints, and also crimp the connectors onto the leads *after* they go through any holes (that allows drilling much smaller holes).
Hey Joe, I am a huge fan of your channel and I have to say that I really love these longer format videos where you go much more into detail about your builds. Keep up the amazing work!! :)
Trump came in at just the right time to block America from having a female president for the only two attempts. He’s like a bouncer. Last year I voted for biden but this year proudly trump.
I'm not a rocket enthusiast and certainly not a rocket builder, but I enjoy your videos. But I was a little disappointed that there was no actual rocket going at mach 3 at the end! OK, the title did say "building", but I naively thought - why build if you're not going to fly? Still, it was interesting, and even made me laugh in places (plus I had no idea carbon fibre is conductive!). The only downside is that I can't get the 'smell' of epoxy out of my head now!
Hey Joe, I know from robotics that those servos sometimes have a really bad thermal conductivity inside the housing If you can manage to machine the housing to add a screw fill port, you can flood them with clock makers oil. We used to do this on the high performance robotics servos for competition. Definitely try it on a damaged servo first though, we had a different model of servo that just died immediately when flooded.
EPIC VID! as someone who works with carbon on a daily basis, please wear sleeves for your own sanity!! Carbon dust causes tons of skin irritation, often worse than fibreglass or other composites. A sleeve or dust protection cream would prevent this, and make sanding a much less painful process. Thanks for the vid!!
I fully thought this video was less than 42 minutes felt like 15 I swear, nice vid love learning about these things, I really wanna get into model rocketry
Great video! Enjoyed every minute! I have several suggestions for future builds: 1). Ditch the Box Store drill bits. A suggested source is SMA Direct. Also, cobalt drills for carbon fiber! They can be sharpened sharper than the coated bits I recall you were using. American or Japanese manufacture. 2). Fillets. Mount tube in lathe. Once fillets are formed rotate tube to even out the gravity's effect. 3). Cable raceway 's. Tube mounted in lathe, use carriage to smooth and index raceway. Withdraw cross slide, and spin. 3). After all carbon fiber work, cover entire vehicle with 0.7 ounce glass if weight is a concern, 2.0 if not, as 2 oz is easier to work with. Round areas, probably including raceway areas use sock glass to eliminate joints (I don't know if socks are readily available in small quantities) 4). Use an automotive body/paint filler to cover imperfections. 5). On copper nose cone, put a pointed spire to move shock wave away from your steak. Look at early Polaris, Trident, and most Soviet missiles for examples. 5). While machining carbon fiber, cover as much of the machine as possible with double sided tape. Cover all electrical outlets and switches as well. Cover with painters tape first, and remove both tapes when finished, after cleaning work area! Carbon fiber seems to be attractive to electrical and WILL cause problems. I don't know what threshold is so be careful! I have enjoyed your content for a number of years. {Key word and tricky phrase) SEMPER FIDELIS BOB
To made a down draft work surface . Make a rectangle wooden box, with one side made from peg board. On the side of the box make a hole for the shop vac. This create vacuum under the sanding surface. Good also for painting, to keep dust off. Wish you the best in your endeavors. 🎉
When potting the cables along the length of the body you could use a indexing notch on the printed form squeegee and line up a vertical laser level along the run of wires to have a guide as you do the pull.
Awesome video and commendable effort. A possible suggestion when soldering the servo motors is to use heat shrink to insulate the wires for a better piece of mind that the solder won’t break or the connections won’t short.
@@CBWP That's not accurate. I've worked on the GMLRS guided rockets at LM in Precision Fires, specifically the M30 and M31 guided rocket munitions, as well as the ATACMS and PriSM. They two terms can, and are, used interchangeably.
Hey man! I love your video's, super creative and fun to watch. I dont know why my silly mind is commenting this, but u could use a spinning wheel on the end of each fin to make it spin when its going fast. So when the rocket goes up, gets more speed, the wheel starts turning really really fast.. that makes an gyroscopic effect to make the rocket stabilize itself. It's used on the Aim-9 sidewinder missle, if u search it up u would probably find it.. Dont know what u can do with this information, but i thought it would be cool.
I’m so glad that was a pure passion project video for you ie, “no effort”, because that was amazing. Clearly your video skills are at an amazing level now. Or I’m just easy to please!😂
Really appreciate you sharing all the wins and fails (learning experiences!) as you do this, Joe! Ad astra per aspera. And you really do make excellent videos 👍
A tip I learned cutting EPS foam cores for an aerospace company I worked at: instead of running your parallel/raster toolpath along the fin edge, run it across and use a square tool instead of a ball. You'll maintain surface footage out at the major diameter of the square tool versus significantly less cutter speed closer to the center like a ball endmill would deliver.
31:24 you can use heat shrink sleeves , that is more clean than an electric tape , but there must be a reason why you are not using it. Any ways luv you Joe, Appreciate your patience and passion for rockets. Best of luck🤞
Hey my dude, I appreciate you prompting safety equipment when handling and sanding these materials. I recommend you getting a full face respirator. The safety glasses you are using are great for deflecting debris but are much less capable at keeping dust particles out of your eyes.
I did have a couple of thoughts watching the build. when you epoxy the servo horns onto the tabs, it would probably be easier to do them first and let them cure before you attach them to the servos. Also just use some heat shrink tubing on the servo wires.
If this was no effort, dear sir keep it up this was a great video and always always follow your heart on "I really really want to do it" that is when we have the most fun and avoid burn out.
For the fillets, have you considered making a silicone mold? Silicone will leave a clean and smooth surface finish, you can use your kevlar mixed into epoxy and still end up with a good finish. The creation of the mold would probably take some time but offset the amount of wiping and cleaning while also reducing waste. The mold will also be highly reusable.
I'm not sure if you've already used up this rocket, but I have a tip for you. You noticed that the surface of the rocket looks awful after painting. I'm not sure how common it is, but you can use it to your advantage. At least in automotive body work, when filler is used and is sanded so it feels correct, primer is applied. The first coats always reveal imprefections. You then simply sand again, coat again and see how it looks. It definitely takes time, but it is fairly simple and you can get very smooth surfaces, which in your case also means better aerodynamics, not just looks
Joe, I've been watching you for years now, and with this video it really hit me how far you've come. You started out as a video professional nerd with an impostor syndrome who was spooked by equations and yolo'd his way into launching some rockets and capturing it on video. Who I see now is a real engineer (degree or not) with a lot of real world experience, who tests dilligently everything he reasonably can on the ground and uses a measured and patient approach to achieving his goals. Aaand also still a video professional who brings us along the way. It's amazing to watch you grow and I wish you all the best on your journey!!!
I can wholehartedly recommend using "non insulated butt splice" connectors for wire-to-wire splicing instead of handsoldering them. For Aerospace and Space applications the TE MiniSeal splices are common, but pricy. However, just normal non insulated butt splice for 24-22 awg or whatever size you use with a piece of heat shrink will work just as well. The crimper (3137CT) is a buy once cry once tool, but if you're doing a lot of wire splices a quality crimper and tinned butt splices are a lifesaver compared to soldering.
Those giant paint cans can have the tip swapped out with a regular tip if you didn't know. I use an air powered sander for fiberglass as its completely water proof so working under a sprinkler will keep the dust contained.
Joe have you ever thought of creating a course from absolute beginner to super advanced? I know I would buy it 100%. I started doing rocketry this month because of your channel. How many people feel like me? How many people outside of this spectrum would like to learn like you. I think it's a great business idea.
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Sir, i think we have very different definitions of "No effort". This is top quality.
It's like Alec from Technology Connections in No Effort November.
Yeah, I didn’t even know razer and nvidia did yt sponsorships
a video like this is not done in 5 days.
@@Nishye501 razer sponsors like everyone and their friends. mostly on twitch I guess, but I know several small time streamers and they have all had or are sponsored by razer. imo though, their products are trash, for the money you can do a lot better, but i guess thats because most of the moeny is in marketing :)
HHAHAHAHAHAHAH AGREEEEEE... this dude is amazing.
Two things for working with epoxy:
1: Masking tape is your friend. For running the wires up the tube, a strip of tape on either side of the wires would keep excess off the surface. Additionally the tape could be used as a guide for your forming tool.
2: If you want to use a filler such as Kevlar powder in your epoxy but don’t like the rough surface, wait a bit for the epoxy to set up after shaping, then wipe it down with some denatured alcohol to smooth the surface. Wait for the epoxy to be stiff enough to stay in place, but still soft enough to be shaped. The alcohol softens the surface slightly allowing it to move more. Just using your gloved finger, wet with alcohol, will make the surface nice and smooth. This is a common practice in boatbuilding fillets.
Also, for getting a good bond to aluminum, hit it with some coarse grit sandpaper.
“No effort November” “Technical deep dive”
Which is absolutely in keeping with tradition
"High effort sheetpost"
@@caljcam Oh yeah!
This is the low effort I approve of
Yeah he started Technical Deep Dive December too early.
A friend of mine worked for Saab and they found out the hard way that CA can interfere with electrical connections on the JAS 39 Gripen aircraft. As far as I know its safe to pot a wire with it however its imperative to keep it far away from connecters or contacts. Given the cost and complexity of my work learning this forced me to rethink how I used CA in the future. Keep up the great work! You do things that are inspirational. Thankyou...
Heat shrink is good. :) Vibration and CF don't play nicely, and the lower adhesion to metal vs plastic is an issue.
@@arfink I was about to comment the same. A few cents can save you thousands.
"We have Lockheed at home"
The Martin lockheed at home:
To be fair he probably has better QA than Lockheed
@@stephenkonstantinou6218he doesn't have an assembly line so QA is irrelevant
@@stephenkonstantinou6218QA is a boring problem, Lockheed problem is over promise in contracts and don’t deliver
@@zee-fr5kw🤓
The fact that your "no effort November" appears to contain more effort than my entire life seems alarming and inspiring at the same time.
Keep it up!
Phew I'm not the only one.
"I might actually be stupid!" No, actually testing it on every step of the way was so smart. I aspire to be like you sir
You have to be smart to be that stupid (and not cost yourself the entire project).
Exactly. Testing is good, humans are humans, we all make mistakes and forget things.
To be fair to his stupidity I'm pretty dumb myself and as soon as I saw him gluing those exposed wires to carbon I was screaming at the screen. Reminds me of my favorite quote “Mankind is made of two kinds of people: wise people who know they're fools and fools who think they are wise.” - Socrates
So, he might be, because he dug out the leads, and covered them in CA, instead of like, using heat shrink. The CA will crack up under vibrational loading in flight, short out, and wheeeeeeee.
Just use the bloody heat shrink, my dude. You will save yourself the tears.
@@arfink -- It's encased in epoxy now, as long as there's a physical barrier between the CF and the wire, the physical strength shouldn't matter.
Laying some epoxy in the grove before adding the wires might end up stronger though.
as a woodworker, hearing you call birch "cheap" really put in perspective how much of a money pit rocketry must be
I was so relieved when you realised your oversight about carbon fibre being conductive. from building carbon fibre framed quads i learned how careful you need to be.
heatshrinking is fun, easy, and a good way to avoid this ( looks better too)
@@TomS699 i was ripping my hair out seeing him not heatshrink those connections
I was ripping apart an old laptop today for parts and I found a ribbon cable w/ graphite conductor traces. I’d have assumed it was a funky color of insulation or whatever until I remembered this video. Ripped the sandwich of plastic around it apart and sure enough, it wrote on paper. I love materials that take just that *little* bit more thinking. Delightful.
Honestly I really appreciate that Joe is going to the effort to show everyone the safety you need to have when you work with this stuff. Sharp contrast to other youtubers who go "Safety? What's that lol"
My thoughts exacly
Please give us more of these style video's! I absolutely love it when you allow yourself to go into more detail about the technicalities instead of trying to make the video watchable for the larger audience. Not that I think this video won't be liked by the masses - I thought it was fantastic, but yeah: please more of this :)
Carbon fiber dust can accumulate in wall outlets, power tools, and electronics causing shorts and destroving equipment . Boeing had a learning curve to develope methods of machining and decontamination when they started using carbon layups. Thanks for producing these facinating videos, good luck on your Mach 3 flight.
They also seem to have a weirdly delayed learning curved when it comes to the task of not having planes drop out of the sky and killing people.
I wonder if some kind of "tent" around the work area would help. I would be really scared of carbon fiber dust (and other kinds of grinding dust) accumulating on all the exposed surfaces inside that garage and inside all the irregularly shaped (= difficult to clean) cavities there.
@@peterfireflylund Something like a paint booth is recommended. High airflow through filters.
😂😂I knew it! When someone talks about Boeing, and how they've improved/learned something, someone else will point out how they've missed stuff on other occasions.
😂
Most importantly Carbon Fiber can accumulate in your lungs! Use proper protection while working with fiber composites.
We use those servos in tiny combat robots too, they're beast! Enjoyed the manufacturing break down.
"Overvolting is great"
-BPS Space Man
- BePiS Space Man
intel agrees
yessir, overvolt life, climb an electric fence
I overvolted my 10850k for 5 years, still working 😂
@@Real28 10 000 series is bulletproof, but the 14900K self destructs on default settings after a year or two
I do love Technology Connections, glad to find someone else who appreciates it.
No-effort November is a great idea, doesn’t take much work to make me happy with a BPS space video
Except, you know, all the effort of actually building a rocket XD
@@DrTheRich pssh, it's not like it's rocket science
I don't know what he was talking about with No Effort November. Isn't this project an effort? Looks like one. Both the rocket and the video.
Having designed composite parts at my job I couldn't help but cringe at seeing him machine composite laminate. He would need an autoclave, but the right way to make those fins is to lay up the plies on a tool to shape and cure under pressure. But he's not set up for that.
I love the "Oh Woooooowwww" moment with the CF.
That moment you realize you're thinking on level 8 but something at level 2 smacks you upside the head like "Hey DUMMY! Remember this??"
This video doesn’t look a „no effort video“.
You still put in effort to get us much informations and awesome shots.
Great video! You might want to try adding a thixotropic agent (colloidal silica powder) when mixing epoxy for the fillets. It turns the resin into a gel-like form that won’t drip and holds its shape. This way, you wouldn’t need to wait an hour or more for the resin to hold its shape. Trust me, thixotropic agent is fantastic-you could even make a snowball-sized blob of epoxy and stick it to a wall! 😄 Thanks for the video!
YOUVE GOT MY VOTE JOE
His last name does start with a B, wait!
Wow he's so stupid re the carbon fiber being conductive!
The sad part is if that makes him st00pid that makes me 10x more st00pid than I thought 😂
B E P I S SPACE
4 PRES
Joe for president!
honestly yes, i am all for it. better than the orange guy...
Cans in warm water is also the trick to spray can texture for drywall repair. Also warm, not boiling. Learned that one the hard way.
15:23 careful with those bare soldering points; carbon fiber composites are highly conductive
LOL 16:40 one minute later you found out. Very attentive my man!
Mine was more like "Doesn't bare joints in CF make a short circuit... yeap, 100% short is causing problems."
I was yelling at the screen when I saw you weren't heat shrinking the servo wires initially. Glad you caught it!
BPS videos are naturally good. A "no effort video" seems like the videos from other creators. Keep it Up Joe!
When I was a kid, I wanted to do what you are doing now. Little did I realize how much I did not know. Small model rockets were fun, but graduating to the big time is an amazing/complex effort. Thank you for your devotion to excellence and transparency!!
@@user-dhdirks Same here! Grew up building semi-custom model rockets (semi means throwing away the instructions).
While I never took the hobby to Joe's level, I did end up working in rocket science as a Prod-Ops Manager with LM Missiles & Fire Control. I've worked on several programs including PAC-3, HIMARS, ATACMS, PrSM and THAAD.
@@bryanhoppe1481 Great story. In retrospect, my childhood fun experimenting with rocketry, electronics, etc. established my path--as it apparently did in yours. I ended up working at two DOE National Labs doing all kinds of interesting (and challenging) engineering and science. I wish more kids would find fun in STEM activities. Might change their career path and boost the nations need for scientists and engineers.
I used to build a lot of drone frames on a cnc router and really liked doing it underwater, the finish was great and it was soooo quite too.
It takes a bit of work to get a good system for doing it underwater though. I found a place that made semi custom stainless appliance drip trays.
Got the biggest size that fit on my machine, and I bolted an aluminum t slot table down to the frame through the tray and sealed the holes with o-rings between the tray and my machine frame.
This provides a nice solid surface you can attach to in various ways. Surprisingly the tape I used held up fine for a few hours under water.
Add a drain to the tray and you are in business.
Thanks for the distraction tonight!
I've also cut carbon fiber parts underwater on a CNC router, and I just used a cheap thin baking tray. Drilled some holes in the carbon fiber and wasteboard material, and screwed through the carbon - wasteboard - baking tray stackup into a secondary MDF wasteboard. Worked well.
Are there any effective wet sanding techniques that don't require putting the entire vehicle under water? Quite a few sanding steps were done after assembly.
I made mine out of the vinyl drip mats used for showers.... just lined a table that had a 4 inch lip and set the machine in there. , then put some splash guards up..... double filtered. You would be surprised how quick carbon fiber clogs filters. I use some paper towel filters as a pre-filter.... it gets most of it out.... but have to be replaced nearly every session. Also 100% use fish-tail cutting bits.
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JoeyB out here with some high quality sponsors, love to see it!!
I was really concerned to see those exposed servo leads touching carbon, but hilarious when you figured it out! Awesome work as always!
Great video Joe. I always appreciate your transparency and honesty in the design process, makes it much more interesting!
Awesome video! We are happy to hear Xyla was able to provide you some epoxy tips :)
Common power and ground could be used for the servos and the carbon could be utilised as the common ground. A copper mesh can be epoxied onto the carbon tube to attach the ground wires to. This would reduce the number of individual wires from the controller to the servos from 12 to 5. Maybe overkill at this point but if you have more components needing ground it would become more valuable to use the chassis as a ground and reduce the amount of wiring.
Also, why not use heat shrink to isolate the wires from each other and the carbon fibre?
That's pretty commonly how it's done for other non-recoket projects.
@@robertwatson5400 yes he should have
Tight editing! Fun to learn about all your challenges for Mach3 and I'm glad to have rediscovered you after losing track for a year or two....
good to see a youtuber actually take respiratory safety seriously
He tells that those fibers are very dangerous. Then he went outside and sands the stuff in his backyard. That made me very angry. As if the dust magiclly disappers in the free air. If his neighbors newborn gets cancer, its maybe because a fool is dispensing toxic dust over his neighhbourhood. really angry...
@@floriandreimann7964 Indeed this channel is generally great, but that was incredible. "Carbon fiber dust is worse than asbestos, let me spread it all over my neighborhood"
This gonna be epic! And a small advice, one of the very first things that I’ve learned at the engineering school: Every time you cut and solder an extension cable you need to seal it with termofit or any isolation method, in order to prevent shortcuts, discharges, electrical noise on the signals, etc, in this case this could result in a short cut of those expensive servos, and every penny counts.
At 3:25, That's a funny microphone you got right there. Must be some cool new technology!
Edit: as I watch the video, your idea of what counts as a microphone astounds me
Lavalier microphone clipped to something to hold onto. Could just wear the thing as intended, but sometimes you get better sound by holding it. And buying a handheld microphone is more money not spent on rockets…
I would just like to thank you for producing such high-quality videos. It is unbelievable how much effort you are putting in. I studied aerospace engineering and this video shows what these studies are meant for.
Hurray for another BPS video... and this one is 45 minutes? Rock On! loving no-effort-november so far!
Great video again!! From one hobbyist to another, we typically embed a bronze(oil-lite) bushing into the carbon, then your pin is a precise fit into the bushing. This way you get minimal back lash and smoother operation. Cheap bronze stock from our McMaster friends 😉
Years back the xjet channel mostly did videos on pulse jet engines. He decided he could make a pulse jet guided rocket and started working on it. The US government did not like the idea and called it a cruise missile, Enough pressure was put on New Zealand by the US that they banned his research. In the end he had to remove his all of his content off the internet and now only does r/c flying and drone content.
Just a heads up, what is a hobby to one person may be considered a weapon by those in power.
Tbf a guided pulse jet rocket sounds almost exactly like the V1 rocker, which was the original cruise missile. So the idea isn't unfounded.
One man's pulse jet guided rocket is another man's cruise missile.
A couple of other youtubers have run into that. Seems to be, as long as there is no way for the rocket or pulse jet to be guided, they are left alone.
Xjet was more or less okay until 911 when there was a purge on available information on the internet (before then there were detailed blogs regarding pulse jets and other things).
Didn't he call it a DIY cruise missile though? Lol, I love Xjet he's a legend in the hobby.
Joe has already been running into these issues. Certain information we'd love to know is left out or blurred in past videos to prevent crossing into FBI investigation land.
I am a mechanical design engineer and design automated manufacturing equipment. Servos are how we get precise position, speed, and torque control. This is really so cool to see you applying all this to the rocket. I have learned a tremendous amount from this. Thanks. This is awesome.
It's easy to admire the feats of engineering that SpaceX are accomplishing....... but I think I have even greater admiration for the Solo Engineer aiming for the vacuum. Bon chance!
Definitely! What he has accomplished and continue to do for one person is simply astounding. Massive respect for his tenacity!
very fire my dood, i like. try out heat shrink tubing for your wires, unheatshrinked solder joints on a wire make my eyes itch sometime
That’s the first thing I’ve thought about
I totally enjoyed this video as it felt more casual and personal. Sharing the good and bad works on many levels. Obviously we too can learn from your mistakes, but they also make you more human and relatable. Been there, done that. Keep up the great work, and stick with your safety protocols. Given the flammable chemicals and paints you have, you may want to consider a flammables cabinet. I kept watching auctions to pick one up much cheaper than new, and got lucky with a like new cabinet.
37:44 As someone who designed rail guides for a (almost) Mach 3 rocket, I feel so called out right now. Ours were made out of aluminum and the upper one bolted right into the motor adapter, while the lower one was initially epoxied to fin can, but that wasn't strong enough and we ended up using set screws to lock it in place. Your rail guides have a lot more contact area with the tube though, so they should be fine.
YESSSSSS! YOU FINALY HIT MAC 3, CANT WAIT FOR IT GO TO SPACE
Great work Joe - Research "Western Union" solder joints - will be much more reliable than the old solder in midair method.
In rocket surgery, you're either spec'd to a crewed vehicle or a crude vehicle. There's no middle ground.
For future builds, consider heat shrink over the solder joints, and also crimp the connectors onto the leads *after* they go through any holes (that allows drilling much smaller holes).
Grab your popcorn new bepis vid dropped
TOUCH MY BEPIS
Hey Joe, I am a huge fan of your channel and I have to say that I really love these longer format videos where you go much more into detail about your builds. Keep up the amazing work!! :)
Sweet, sweet relief
Trump came in at just the right time to block America from having a female president for the only two attempts. He’s like a bouncer. Last year I voted for biden but this year proudly trump.
Oh how I needed this.
For real. I can actually feel my brain turning to mush right now. Needed a little science tonight
yeah with all bad s*** going on now that’s a blessing ❤
A tiny raft in a tumultuous sea
Absolutely love the technical deep dive ❤ gave me a few ideas how to change up my rocket 😁 thanks man!
I'm not a rocket enthusiast and certainly not a rocket builder, but I enjoy your videos. But I was a little disappointed that there was no actual rocket going at mach 3 at the end! OK, the title did say "building", but I naively thought - why build if you're not going to fly? Still, it was interesting, and even made me laugh in places (plus I had no idea carbon fibre is conductive!). The only downside is that I can't get the 'smell' of epoxy out of my head now!
Joe, your engineering skills are outstanding, especially your testing along each step to ensure viability. Keep up the great work!
Hey Joe, I know from robotics that those servos sometimes have a really bad thermal conductivity inside the housing
If you can manage to machine the housing to add a screw fill port, you can flood them with clock makers oil. We used to do this on the high performance robotics servos for competition.
Definitely try it on a damaged servo first though, we had a different model of servo that just died immediately when flooded.
And just like Alec, you have turned No Effort November into a big video with a lot of effort. Way to go!!
EPIC VID! as someone who works with carbon on a daily basis, please wear sleeves for your own sanity!! Carbon dust causes tons of skin irritation, often worse than fibreglass or other composites.
A sleeve or dust protection cream would prevent this, and make sanding a much less painful process.
Thanks for the vid!!
I love that you explain the time-consuming steps too. ❤
29:29 - I was all “no he dint!” Then I ran it back and was like “Daaaaaaaamn!” 😂😆🤣
Boeing moment 😂
@@bowlerballer6852Titan moment😂
I fully thought this video was less than 42 minutes felt like 15 I swear, nice vid love learning about these things, I really wanna get into model rocketry
Just waiting for the day this channel goes dark and we never find which 2nd world countries rocketry program BPS is heading.
very interesting video about the servo test inside and outside spec. and load-time-test. very detailed. ty
Great video! Enjoyed every minute! I have several suggestions for future builds:
1). Ditch the Box Store drill bits. A suggested source is SMA Direct. Also, cobalt drills for carbon fiber! They can be sharpened sharper than the coated bits I recall you were using. American or Japanese manufacture.
2). Fillets. Mount tube in lathe. Once fillets are formed rotate tube to even out the gravity's effect.
3). Cable raceway 's. Tube mounted in lathe, use carriage to smooth and index raceway. Withdraw cross slide, and spin.
3). After all carbon fiber work, cover entire vehicle with 0.7 ounce glass if weight is a concern, 2.0 if not, as 2 oz is easier to work with. Round areas, probably including raceway areas use sock glass to eliminate joints
(I don't know if socks are readily available in small quantities)
4). Use an automotive body/paint filler to cover imperfections.
5). On copper nose cone, put a pointed spire to move shock wave away from your steak. Look at early Polaris, Trident, and most Soviet missiles for examples.
5). While machining carbon fiber, cover as much of the machine as possible with double sided tape. Cover all electrical outlets and switches as well. Cover with painters tape first, and remove both tapes when finished, after cleaning work area!
Carbon fiber seems to be attractive to electrical and WILL cause problems. I don't know what threshold is so be careful!
I have enjoyed your content for a number of years. {Key word and tricky phrase)
SEMPER FIDELIS
BOB
To made a down draft work surface . Make a rectangle wooden box, with one side made from peg board. On the side of the box make a hole for the shop vac. This create vacuum under the sanding surface. Good also for painting, to keep dust off.
Wish you the best in your endeavors. 🎉
Technology Connections is one of my favorites!
This series is gonna be good.
Mach 3 got hands - this is a shirt
I'm enjoying the wide variety of mic stands. Oh and the rocket is nice too.
thank you very much for your nerdy rambling
When potting the cables along the length of the body you could use a indexing notch on the printed form squeegee and line up a vertical laser level along the run of wires to have a guide as you do the pull.
Man I love Bepis Space Time
Awesome video and commendable effort. A possible suggestion when soldering the servo motors is to use heat shrink to insulate the wires for a better piece of mind that the solder won’t break or the connections won’t short.
5:05 "What if we tried using more power?"
Joe! You're using drilling guides like I've been trying to get you to do for YEARS
Not a missile though, right? RIGHT?!
„The Missile knows where it is, because it knows where it isn’t“
All things with guidance switch from rockets to missiles...
Yep, it's an SCGM. (Steak Cooking Guided Missile)
@@CBWP That's not accurate. I've worked on the GMLRS guided rockets at LM in Precision Fires, specifically the M30 and M31 guided rocket munitions, as well as the ATACMS and PriSM.
They two terms can, and are, used interchangeably.
@@bryanhoppe1481 ok "normally" rockets are not guided. They seem to have to have a name that forms a good acronym as well.
You sir are an inspiration to us all, through both the successes and possibly even more so through your minor setbacks!
Hey man!
I love your video's, super creative and fun to watch.
I dont know why my silly mind is commenting this, but u could use a spinning wheel on the end of each fin to make it spin when its going fast.
So when the rocket goes up, gets more speed, the wheel starts turning really really fast.. that makes an gyroscopic effect to make the rocket stabilize itself.
It's used on the Aim-9 sidewinder missle, if u search it up u would probably find it..
Dont know what u can do with this information, but i thought it would be cool.
Well crafted video! Nice flow and pace. I subscribed.
I’m so glad that was a pure passion project video for you ie, “no effort”, because that was amazing. Clearly your video skills are at an amazing level now. Or I’m just easy to please!😂
To be honest.... on a day like today, a long deep dive into making rocket airframes is EXACTLY what I need - thank you
Fbi I think you need to watch this man😭
Really appreciate you sharing all the wins and fails (learning experiences!) as you do this, Joe! Ad astra per aspera. And you really do make excellent videos 👍
I work designing and building UAVs, and when you put the unshielded servo cables onto the CF fin, I was screaming at the monitor "Noooo!" :)
One of my best friends while soldering is heat shrink tubing to get you the electrical isolation and wire wrangling.
A tip I learned cutting EPS foam cores for an aerospace company I worked at: instead of running your parallel/raster toolpath along the fin edge, run it across and use a square tool instead of a ball. You'll maintain surface footage out at the major diameter of the square tool versus significantly less cutter speed closer to the center like a ball endmill would deliver.
31:24 you can use heat shrink sleeves , that is more clean than an electric tape , but there must be a reason why you are not using it.
Any ways luv you Joe, Appreciate your patience and passion for rockets. Best of luck🤞
This man puts an ungodly ammount of effort in these videos, you are doing great
Just continuity tested my EDC's CF scales.... BBBEEEPP! Wow, should've know that!
It was a delight to meet you!
36:36 YES those free-standing hammocks are great!
Hecking hero, always a nice surprise! Endlessly engaging. Lookign forward to the next! Best,
Please do way more like this! This video is great!
Hey my dude, I appreciate you prompting safety equipment when handling and sanding these materials. I recommend you getting a full face respirator. The safety glasses you are using are great for deflecting debris but are much less capable at keeping dust particles out of your eyes.
I did have a couple of thoughts watching the build. when you epoxy the servo horns onto the tabs, it would probably be easier to do them first and let them cure before you attach them to the servos. Also just use some heat shrink tubing on the servo wires.
If this was no effort, dear sir keep it up this was a great video and always always follow your heart on "I really really want to do it" that is when we have the most fun and avoid burn out.
For the fillets, have you considered making a silicone mold? Silicone will leave a clean and smooth surface finish, you can use your kevlar mixed into epoxy and still end up with a good finish. The creation of the mold would probably take some time but offset the amount of wiping and cleaning while also reducing waste. The mold will also be highly reusable.
I'm not sure if you've already used up this rocket, but I have a tip for you. You noticed that the surface of the rocket looks awful after painting. I'm not sure how common it is, but you can use it to your advantage. At least in automotive body work, when filler is used and is sanded so it feels correct, primer is applied. The first coats always reveal imprefections. You then simply sand again, coat again and see how it looks. It definitely takes time, but it is fairly simple and you can get very smooth surfaces, which in your case also means better aerodynamics, not just looks
Joe, I've been watching you for years now, and with this video it really hit me how far you've come. You started out as a video professional nerd with an impostor syndrome who was spooked by equations and yolo'd his way into launching some rockets and capturing it on video. Who I see now is a real engineer (degree or not) with a lot of real world experience, who tests dilligently everything he reasonably can on the ground and uses a measured and patient approach to achieving his goals. Aaand also still a video professional who brings us along the way. It's amazing to watch you grow and I wish you all the best on your journey!!!
Honestly I like this video format way better than what you usually do.
I can wholehartedly recommend using "non insulated butt splice" connectors for wire-to-wire splicing instead of handsoldering them. For Aerospace and Space applications the TE MiniSeal splices are common, but pricy. However, just normal non insulated butt splice for 24-22 awg or whatever size you use with a piece of heat shrink will work just as well.
The crimper (3137CT) is a buy once cry once tool, but if you're doing a lot of wire splices a quality crimper and tinned butt splices are a lifesaver compared to soldering.
Great video. Looking forward to hearing about the simulation and control work. Gbye.
honestly, this is exactly the type of video I allways looked forward to, but never really got.
It allways felt like I was missing out on something
Those giant paint cans can have the tip swapped out with a regular tip if you didn't know.
I use an air powered sander for fiberglass as its completely water proof so working under a sprinkler will keep the dust contained.
Joe have you ever thought of creating a course from absolute beginner to super advanced? I know I would buy it 100%. I started doing rocketry this month because of your channel. How many people feel like me? How many people outside of this spectrum would like to learn like you. I think it's a great business idea.
I LOVE technology connections! One of my favorite channels.