13900K and 14900K Power Draw and Crashing Fixed Easy.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 เม.ย. 2024
- Hey all, today were are taking a quick look at 13th and 14th gen power consumption issues and how to easily fix them by following Intel SPEC for the chip.
Intel has for 13900K/14900K a 253w limit in the "Extreme Config" on both PL1 and PL2. For the 13900KS and 14900KS, the "Extreme Config" is 320w on PL1 and PL2.
This can be referenced here on Intel's website. edc.intel.com/content/www/us/...
Again, these are difficult to find specifications and should be made clearer to the end user and enforced by motherboards as default. Either way, you should follow their maximum recommendations if you want to run in a "stock" config.
Finally Intel has published their official recommend 'Intel Default' settings. They say to use the highest profile compatible with your motherboard. Just as I said in this video, you should be using 253/253 for PL1 and PL2 on K/KF chips. And 320w/320w PL1 and PL2 for KS chips. The chart also mentions to NEVER EXCEED 400A for current limit, again in line with what I said here. Finally Intel is getting things clearly defined and laid out for users and motherboards. There is also ZERO mention of using Intel Fail Safe SVID, this should have never been recommended by anyone as it used excessive and potentially unsafe voltages.
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I saw the Intel sheet already but how to setup PL4 on ASUS boards ?
I use Intel defaults settings with all options from other guides.
The question is: when I have all at Intel defaults and set IA CEP on disabled I got nearly the same performance in CB23 (only 500 points less).
If IA CEP is enabled the performance is over 50% less!
But disabled IA CEP all other Intel defaults !?
Wondering too: IA CEP is introduced by Intel in February this year to disabled IA CEP (there is a new microcode included this make it possible).
So it save to use IA CEP disabled or not ?
BTW: I use the „trained“ SID behaviour because it’s perfect matched with the cpu which is built in.
It always need less power and it’s more effective than undervolting the cpu!
Even OCCT extreme small varaint runs much better and cooler with „trained“
Would like to know if LLC3 or LLC4 is better for these Intel defaults setups.
With trained bios shows 1,2xv with Intel failsafe it’s near 1,4v !
A hint: when loading xmp always check the memory controller voltage my uses at 8000mhz (48gb) 1,4v!!
It runs stable with 1,225v only!
Best-case scenario or typical was not stable on my old 12900KS.
My 14900KS is SP111 P127 E79 MEM 86 and with optimized bios unreal 4 and 5 crashes during shader compilation or Hogwarts with out of video memory message with a 48GB RAM videocard ^^
Edit: I thought undervolting the cpu is done by actual vrm core voltage?
i have 13900k my PL1/PL2 .. 253/253 and my iccmax 400A do u think i change it to 307A? i think 400A for 320watt .. let me know plz if i keep it at 400 or 307 thx
U mean about Intel baseline profile right?
You the man! This fix all my issues with running gray zone! And the out of memery with the 4090. I'm only able get my ram to run at 6800. My cpu sp 92 so I'm sure I need buy a different one get it to run better
@@joshyddog2054 whats ur cpu
to be very honest, the best video out there. very simple, informative, and it works. in 30 minutes, you provided good information for who is looking to bring the temps and volts down without losing mass performance. I didn't know your channel, but you just won a subscriber.
Very good informational video for troubleshooting!
Yo! You're a LEGEND for this video. I've e
watched damn near ALL the videos on undervolting, even Jays, but you by gar explained this the BEST! Thank you, seriously. Keep up the content.
Saved me from buying new power supply... Was seconda away from making buy for 1200W, then came across this. Works wonder. Cpu hits only 90c now also. Ever come in Bosnia, hit me up, i owe you a beer. Shit... 10 beers. Cheers brotha.
1200w for CPU, and only 90c.. Holy crap.. Good I am AMD user :) 50c at same performance as 14900k :))) stupid idiot
only 90c 😂
New PS wouldn't have resolved this issue so that's fortunate :P
My rig wasn't crashing (14900k , z790 Darkhero mobo) , but it would stutter sometimes outside of gaming. These settings fixed that. Thank you!
Thanks man, really appreciate your valuable information.
Thank you Bill Hader for the incredible tutorial. I will try this out when i can
THANK YOU, for this. I got a 14900ks and I was struggling w the temperature and blue screens. Went through multiple cases, fans, and aios, keep going through the same problem. This really helped.
why would you check cases fans and AIOs before cpu motherboard and RAM for bluescreens
@@WayStedYou based on HWmonitor I figured it was a heating issue. Didn't think anything of it. I went from a 12900ks. Which had half the core count so I figured it was overheating so I kept switching things. Didn't think of it being a bios problem
@@dominickdardy-ingle3701 same problem 12900k no issues got 14900k had problems within a month, if your even slightly worried about your ks just RMA, Once i rma my cpu i never had an issues again with the new 14900k they gave me.
@@dominickdardy-ingle3701 Upgrading from 12900ks LOL nothing can even bring that CPU to 99%.. I wonder how u even have enough brain to get money for this cpu.
Thank you, very much for this sound advise, I've been looking long and hard for good advise on how to do the proper setting to get the most out the CPU and protecting it too. Thanks again
thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and helping everyone 👌🏾⭐
Thank you for teaching us sir 🔥
I don't even own one of these cpus but I heard about the issue and found this video extremely interesting and informative. Awesome work! 🤩
I believe the power limits for the 14900KS chips are increased to 320 watts on short and long (supported Intel extreme limits) and the Amperage limits stock can be safely set to 420 Amps. If not using the extreme limits allowed by Intel then 253 Watts short/long and 400 Amps would apply but it will never reach the 6.2Ghz clocks. (At least that I found) I'm still playing with mine but these chips are actual beasts and except for the ridiculously-low number of PCIe lanes, are pretty awesome. Thanks for this really insightful video and glad that someone is explaining this plainly. These changes should be standard on all motherboards and none of these ridiculous chip-killing defaults.
Followed your advice and got power throttling and thermal throttling. Changed from Intel recommended settings Hero Maximus recent BIOS update. Those work fine.
Great video! Interesting and informative. Thanks!
This is the most easy explained video i've seen on this topic.. it's a ton of people having this problem, regardless of mainboard vendor.
I'd been trying to get my 14700K stable, safe and cool and after all the misinformation out there, I came across this last night. THANK YOU! Subscriber for life!
Just completed a 14700k build with a Strix Gaming E Wi-Fi II. I am currently using the enforce all limits, with MCE off. I’ll try these settings. At the end you did not turn LLC back on and just undervolted, do both need to be done?
Thank you for the video very informative
Thank you so much for this video!!!!
Yes, like said many times over....great explanation good video.
Great tutorial, i just bought a 14900k and i have an asus board so i will definitely look into doing this. Thanks for sharing 👍!
I just ordered same specs today keep it posted how it went mate :)
Very good overview. Also very helpful for mobile HX cpu's, i got an i9 14900HX, and I undervolted it -150mv, its only stable while gaming, -120mv is stable when under stresstests/cinebench etc. Max tdp is 157 watts for HX mobile, ASUS set the pl2 to 175, with Intel XTU I set both PL1/PL2 to 140 watts max. 5,4 ghz on all p-cores (no boost 5.8 ghz) and 4,1 ghz on all e cores.
Nice job! Love from Nizzen
Thank you for a clear explanation. I was going insane with my system crashing in games and so on with a new system based on an i9 13th gen. I now have it rock solid with PL1 and PL2 at 265 and temps are cool as even with constant heavy load. I also put a 360 AIO cooler and new case in to boot and the system runs warm, not like a crashing toaster any more. I'm actually very disappointed with the motherboard manufacturers as I want a rock solid system, not push it with OC and crashing. This is on them and its wrong. I also am using an ASROCK motherboard which is great but some of the settings are quite unclear but its close enough to do these settings and leave the others alone.
you really explain reasonbly well, intel fail safe should be reference with customer ref board, the board layout could be deviate compared to board in Asus or whatever vendor it is ..
Thanks for the video bro
Thanks man great video !! i was super confused why i had issues with games crashing especially unreal engine games, said out of video memmory but turns out it was cpu limits. Set everything as you showed in video and havent had a single crash. + would totally update the bios but last time i did it my oc didnt work, ram oc is a mf. The fact that you run 8200 IS CRAZYYYY to me
GJ mate, helps alot
This is good info. I personally wouldn’t recommend doing a -0.135v offset to everyone. I’d start at -0.05 and test stability from there. I had a garbage 12900k that would bsod at -0.06v or more.
only manage to do 0.09 on my 14900ks. got a sp 102 though :(. Oh well going to rpelace it when the 15900k comes out, suppose to have a low of lower voltage overall anyway
@@Razors378wtf i did 0.125 on my 14900k no problem SP 95
how do you properly test for stability?
I have managed to undervolt my 13700kf by -0.18v yet now I am hearing that shouldn't be possible and I now have trust issues over my cpu.
Fantastic tutorial video. I've been getting crashes on video games despite having no issues with temperature since I disabled multicore enhancement. After I changed my settings according to the suggestions in your video, my Cinebench multicore performance benchmark went up 2700 points, with with negligible changes in temperature.
(haven't tested for crashes yet, but I'm still convinced your settings are the best solution to the overheating problem so far)
Besides these changes, should we also enable Dynamic Tuning (so Intel DTT works), GNA, and undervolt protection? Or the PC will be the most stable and perform best without these settings enabled (and the respective drivers installed on windows)?
Question, and I hope to get a response.
If my CPU has degraded so much that I cannot do any OC to it, even with the the instructions I follow in this video, then what are my options here? Should I try and get a new CPU and apply the voltage settings this video suggests?
Have you had any success using the 'Extreme' configs for the spec sheets? i.e., 400A Current, 320W PL1/2? Or did that reintroduce stability problems?
i have 13900k i dont have any issue but i follow ur guide thx for the all info
Appreciate the video man! What's your opinion on CPU Lite Load Mode? I have an MSI z790 board and a 14900k. I havent touched LLC but I am gonna check it out here soon and adjust it, but by default my Lite Load Mode was set to mode 10. Dropping it to mode 8 has helped with temps but I am considering dropping it more. I'm also going to definitely set the wattage manually like you said. I've done this in XTU but I'd rather do it in bios. I have 269w P1/P2 and 369A current (because I have the humor of a child). Seems stable and I get around 39k in cinebench r23. However I am hitting mid 80 to low 90 temps with my 360 AIO. Any thoughts?
I also noticed when you went back to the bios for the final time, you lowered the voltage manually. Initially you said that the only things we needed to change were manually entering the wattage and then adjust load line calibration. Maybe I missed it but did you keep the LLC where it was when you reset to defaults or did you not change that from where it was at the beginning of the video? When you ran the final test, was your LLC set to auto or where it was at the beginning of the video. I just want to make sure I'm not missing something! Thanks!
@@BipolarBLKSheep Hey sheep, did you have any luck with your settings? My (also) bipolar brain is having a hard time keeping my CPU Core Package temps below 100Celsius under heavy load like in Cinebench or gaming at high settings, which leads to thermal throttling. Considering lugging my extremely heavy case to my computer repair buddy and seeing what he can find. I'm not sure if my PC was built with shoddy thermal paste, but even after applying this video's settings, even though my system is seemingly stable, I am having a hard time keeping temperatures down during heavy loads, and I worry it might cause my parts to melt, lol? Maybe it's all in my (bipolar) head...Hope you figured out your settings!
@@andregallego9655 so I updated my bios to the most recent stable build. Not the beta. I selected box cooler and my lite load mode is actually back to default. I had been at mode 8 for a while but after updating the bios I started blue screening. So I’m back on auto which is mode 10. If you are at intel default settings 253w short and long term power limit and 307A current, and you’re still hitting 100c I would def check the cooler. What kind do you have? I actually just removed my 360mm AIO block and noticed that the standoffs were loose so it wasn’t sitting down on the cpu as much as it should have. Unless they loosened as I was removing it. Either way, I repasted with KPX, tightened everything up, and I’m running almost 5c cooler on average. In games I’m usually around 60-75 but in Helldivers 2 I’ve still got 92c random spikes.
hey there, im using the 14900ks as well, paired with a 4070 ti. i have 6400mhz ddr5 and a nzxt z790 mobo. i tried tinkering with similar settings to this and ended up with bsods. its possible i changed the settings of the wrong thing so if u know the nzxt bios equivalent of these pls lmk. my cpu cooling is the 360mm sl inf lian li ga II trinity
Is it okay if one or two cores occasionally hit 90-95 during the Cinemark bench for my 14900K?
Hi @TalonsTech. Thank you for the video. I had 2 13900K degrade over 6 months due to this issue. I am planning on getting a 14900K. What should I set the power limit to? 307, 125, 253 or something else ?
I would follow Intel's guidance they put out today. Maybe set the limits they recommend until your motherboard has a bios update ready?
What’s your vcore? Do you use adaptive vcore?
thank you very much
I'm not getting the same temperatures as you are getting. I have 14900ks on a asus z790 extreme with 420 corsair (h170i elite LCD XT). I put thermal grizzly extreme on there with no contact frame. with 253w power limit with 400amp limit and 0.09 undervolt as i cant go higher because of SP 102 :(. im getting mid to high 80s with cinebench and c++ compiling in VS 2022. Not sure are you using a contact frame and what motherboard? I'm not sure why its higher maybe the kryo sheet is better then but ithink its strange i applied the paste by spreading it out evenly.
i was thinking about switching to AMD for 1st time in my life but now I'm back thinking about getting an i9 14900KS for my new build, i always use Intel i was very worried for this high temperatures and crazy crashes but this video is the answer, thanks 🙂👍🏾
If you game, and you're in for a new board/DDR5/CPU anyways, I'd prob go 7800x3d + mobo + DDR5, I have a MSI z690 + DDR4 + 14700k and wish I could switch if it wasn't going to cost me an arm and a leg to do so...
@@Munky332 i thought about it but my other option is 7950X3D but not in more willing to wait couple of months until AMD announce their new upcoming CPUs i have already $5,000 saved for my new build so i don't have any rush I'll keep saving until the big announcement from the big companies Intel, AMD and Nvidia
@@KamiKaZeJeremy Funny reading this im kind of in simliar position atm. Not really wanting to deal with such instabilities and Huge temps. but with 5series nvidia cards on the horizon and trying to somewhat future proof myself, I think im looking to go Amd for the first time ever. Always prefered Intel for ease of use but I cannot justify these crazy extremes, especially when it seems AM5 gives a ledgible upgrade route. Just hoping Amd release a Solid x3d chip thats not a bank breaker sooner rather than later.
@@baileymark3 i agree with you i think AMD is the logical path to take but right now a month away from Computex 2024 I'm going to wait what AMD, Intel and Nvidia announcements are going to be, this is not a good time to buy or build this is the time to wait, new technology is coming so we can get the latest or at least prices of actual hardware should be adjusted, my suggestion my friend WAIT A LITTLE BIT! ✌🏾😉
Thank you @TalonsTech for this great video and very clearly explained! Do you have a video where you show how you make the complete oc?
Great video and well explained! Are you running an apex or apex encore? Any way you could help me find the bios version you are using??
Changed out my 3080TI FE to my 3090FE on my 14900K Rig noticed it was sitting at 74c in bios not sure how or why that change causes this but followed vid as I could no longer into windows without a blue screen.
Ai optimized oc on the Asus Strix z790 is not good. Changed to defaults redid the OCS via video I'm now down to 29c-45c while gaming still hitting 5.9ghz on my 14900k thank you for this video 🙏
But after the bios update to 2202 can I get into the Asus Bios and make these changes before I have issues? I'm currently on BIOS 1904 with my Asus Z790 Hero with i9 13900k.
Fantastic, thank you..what CPU thermal paste do you recommend?
HONEYWELL PTM7958 Thermal Paste is what he said. I use KPX myself. Might have to give the PTM7958 a try sometime.
thanks for your video, it was very helpful, however, is it possible to run a stable 6.2? if you undervolt it...
Asus have since released z790 bios for most Z series boards to revert to intel defaults that resets to intel specs, voltages included, btw they also recommend disabling asus auto on multicore enhancement (asus auto will boost past the std boost max). They also suggest failsafe for the most stablity or trained. The option in main Extreme Tweaker page resets the extremee tweaker settings down to Intel defaults.
I am extremely disappointed in Intel for releasing such a low quality silicone at the premium price I paid for it. I will be switching to AMD from here on out when the 8000 series releases.
I don't own either of the processors but thank you for this.
Are you running an AIO or watercooled?
have you tested svid behaviour to best case scenario to see what voltages is running at?
im using best case scenario and tried manual voltages to see how far off they are and surprisingly its spot on
Can I ask if this better then just leave it on auto? By the way did you using level 4 which best for OC?
thank you I had repeated crashes and everything seems to be back to normal
What thermal pad or paste are you using in this video?
You can undervolt your CPU to - 0.135? With my 13900K i can't go lower than - 0.075 cause it crashes Cinebench R23.
My ASUS motherboard won't allow me to modify the offset voltage. Any suggestions? Specifically using a Z690 e-gaming wifi LGA1200. From what I've followed I have all my settings the same. Minus where I get to the where you set yours to Adaptive. I can't change the value. It stays Auto. The line above about "additional turbo bode cpu core voltage" is set to 0.250 though. What am I missing?
Awesome video dude. I have an Asus strix motherboard and I run an i-9 11900 k with adaptive turbo boost technology-enabled and remove all limits everything else on auto in the bios
When I play Horizon forbidden West in the loading screen I hit 275 Watts in my CPU goes to 72 Celsius only for a split second my CPU stays at 5.1 gigahertz and sometimes goes to 5.3 on only two cores
I have a 360 mm radiator which has a 3100 RPM pump I have it running at maximum with six fans sandwich on the radiator from noctura running at full blast from a separate SATA power connector
Anyways I do not crash ever despite my ridiculous wattage now I know my clocks are lower in the i-9 14900 KS
Which I was going to buy to start my own TH-cam channel but now I am intimidated too
I also have never tried to run cinabench because it doesn't do anything for running a video game it is a meaningless application for no video game will do what that does to your CPU ever who cares you got a number wow so cool LOL
Can you make a detailed video on how to undervoly the 14900k on that bios i have the same one and im running a artic liquid freezer 3 420mm and instill hit about 90c to 100c
May I know your spec, including used Thermal Paste and Cooler in this video
You are correct about makers of motherboards leaving CPU settings unrealistic. Did a build with MSI components and it took me about 3-4 months to get all this figured out regarding the CPU temperatures. MSI tech support would not give me the default settings for BIOS for regular usage, and overclocking usage. I could not believe it. I got the i9-14900k.
I have the same cpu and msi motherboard... My PC just randomly crashes and I don't have a solution.. Can you provide the specs or settings in your motherboard..? Would really appreciate it if possible
@@korloaster Hi. So, I would try to see what combinations of current for CPU core ICCMax, voltages for the turbo boost short power max and turbo boost power max, is needed for your CPU and motherboard, by using the Intel XTU app. Then, you will have to undervolt the CPU in the core voltage offset to give it a better performance. This is all done within Intel XTU in the advance tuning page--the app has several ways to tune your system. For my MIS Z790 Ace, and the i9-14900K, with a 360-cooler, I had it stable by undervolting the CPU by -.125 V, using 315 A for CPU IccMax, 263W for turbo boost short power max, and 253 W for turbo boost power max. At these setting the system runs between 80-90C when stress tested, and with benchmark result of 13,400 in the Intel XTU app. So, without overclocking it, I am near similar results overclocing it, but with temperatures reaching 90-100C when stress testing the system. That is too hot and I get crashes, especially when testing it using the AVX2 stress test, within Intel XTU. After you figure out your stable numbers, input those in the MSI BIOS. That will be a bit tricky and time consuming, as you have to become familiar with the settings. It has a lot of settings that will need to be changed, also. Let me know if you need further assistance. Now, for an I9-14900K the max Icc current is 307 A and 253 W of max power for the short-term and long-term turbo situations. Double check those numbers, also, on the Intel site, or call them. My amps and power usage are a bit higher.
@@korloaster : you have the same i9-14900k ? on MSI ... i have i7-12700K on MSI but didn't have any heat issues just want to know if its affecting some CUP and Asus Motherboards? i do want to change my values lowering voltages , but like i mentioned had no problems would appreciate any Advice...
Are your crashes hard crashes? Or blue screens? @@korloaster
@@maegnificant hard crashes.
How do you check stability of undervolts?
Thanks for all the great info, but theres one part im confused on... its on the core voltage.. did you go adaptive or a solid static voltage.. whats the settings for that.. im using a cpu core voltage of 1.37 @ 5.4ghz and my temps are idling at 35c ... so my voltage never chhanges is what im saying.....what kind of cooling do you have?
Because you changed the short and long power duration you can set cpu voltage to auto that's what he did
Good video. Why are you going with an adaptive offset instead of adjusting ACLL? LLC = DCLL. Had better luck with the proper undevolt personally. Adaptive offset was ok for gaming but if I did occt stress testing it would detect errors pretty quickly. .1+ global offset seems a bit insane nice chip!
What about the Setting "Unlimited ICCMX"? Shouldnt this be also disabled, so it wont take more than 400amps? Or is it enough to set the Max limit to 400?
Thanks
Hello,
For the 13600KF I put 400A and 181w
Would it be like this or did I put the wrong values?
I remember back in the days, it was up to the user to set the correct settings. There was no auto, we did everything through jumpers and manual config in the BIOS.
I remember it too but it was honestly easier.
Auto settings are hard to work with
Thanks. For that awesome video! Can I ask for you batch of your 14900KS? I’m planing to get one tomorrow with apex encore and 8400mhz g skill hope everything will work and I’ll get a good silicon , can I ask why did you undervolt and how you get greater score while doing it? Can I ask for the SVD behaviour I didn’t quite understand the typical scenario and how to maximize performance with it? Thanks again 🙏🏻
thank you..
When dropping the voltage to 0.05, I get an application error on cinebenech. Do you have any idea why?
Are you talking about the negative offset undervolt? If so, the cpu is not getting enough voltage and it causes cinebench to error. Sometimes Cinebench will error right away or after a short while.
Hello, can you use the manual mode and set a voltage of 1.15V instead of using the offset mode? Are there differences?
You can use a manual voltage sure. The reason you don’t really want to do that is because that be comes a constant voltage. Offset mode allows the voltage to drop very low while on idle or spike back up high clock/low load or drop for high clock/high load. Using a manual voltage on these modern CPUs makes very little sense IMO.
Funnily enough doing these fixes improved my Cinebench score by 3-4% on my 13900K
Subscribed, followed your directions and used your setting for my 13900k with asus strix gaming e motherboard
I’m getting just shy of 36,000 on Cine bench r 23
I have had my motherboard set at asus defaults for the last almost 2 years and have had no issues. I know I’m loosing performance but I don’t know much about over clocking.
I am using a 13900K with a Z790 ROG Maximus Extreme board , DDR5 @ 7400 updated to the latest bios 2202 . I followed the steps you mention except for multicore enhancement selected disabled enforce all limits because it says to use intel default settings to disable that which is different from what it say from yours , for undervolt i set to - 0.1 and PL1 125 and PL2 253 . It seems to be running ok
How's, your clock speeds??. I have 13900 k and asus forced limit with new bios to 280 Amps by defaults so not getting even close to 5 ghz. Had to change settings to 400 ampers to get it to work as before bios update. So right now back at stable 5.5 ghz.
hey bro does all this apply for 14700kf? i have asus aswell and xtu doesn't work
And also should I choose level 4 for best performance?
Could you please run CB R15? thanks!
saved me from buying bigger case 420mm cooler and liquid metal thermal paste, 100C to 70C while gaming and no crash thx a lot. 13900k with 240mm cooler.
Your video explains it perfectly~ I just bought an i9-14900KS~ In the stock settings, as soon as I start playing games, the speed drops to 5000~5100~ What do I need to adjust? Is it feasible to follow the settings in your video?
Bro mentioned a thermal paste better than Kyronaut? Which one is that?
i guess its a thermal paste ptm7958 from HoneyWell ?
@@Sw0ffieeGamingChannel yep
I learned not to mess with it. If anything undervolt it. Consistently playing a game will alter your computers configuration automatically... If set on auto
Omg finally someone online that knows what they are talking about!! for the love of god i am so sick of seeing all these recent videos over the intel stability issues etc. Like yeah, that's what happens when you try and pair a $30 air cooler with a 14900k and pump unlimited watts/voltage to it while also upping the multiplier as well all because they see some tech tuber showing them how to optimize there computer for extra frame rates in cyberpunk Honestly its just mostly marketing b.s for the most part and believe they are just trying to blow up intel's spot to sell more upcoming 8000 AMD chips.
It’s probably a few idiots on Reddit, which got social media traction. And now it’s blown out of proportion as if all chips are dying. The thing is Intel oversees these settings that AIB’s use, they would not allow these parameters if cpu death is at risk. It would seriously damage their reputation and lose customers to AMD pretty quickly.
lol, dont tell this guy the best air cooler is around 30$ (or that stock settings are causing the stability issues) he likes to find out for himself
@@theendoftheline Yes point is most air coolers are not rated to dissipate that many watts worth of heat, especially given the insane amount of power they are pumping into these chips its just a failure waiting to happen. I am sure that this may be dependent of your location and how your local climate is also when using an air cooler vs liquid but also failures are that sometimes people just end up with horrible silicon from the get-go and if that's the case, they should just RMA the chip. So i do believe that most of thee issues are due to poor quality silicon from day 1, paired with improper cooling since day 1, causing degradation as they are probably running cinbench over and over trying to pull the highest score.
@@MyJman37 sorry no, its the power limits try again
@@theendofthelineWell i don't need or want to try again, so we can agree to disagree, that is totally fine with me.
is there a link too those configs ?
So, given that I've become AMD averse lately while looking to build a complete new system (even though I know they use less power), does it make any sense to go for the 14900KS and just do what he suggests here? It will be a 4090 gaming-only PC, with a bent towards flight sims/ DCS.
Nah I would build a 7800x3D today for pure gaming.
OR
Wait to see what is shown off at Computex in a couple weeks. AMD is launching new CPUs soon. So is Intel. If you don’t need to build today and can wait a few months, it will definitely be worth waiting. Intel Arrow Lake should have significant gains and power improvements as it’s using 3nm.
Another option is go AMD and buy a cheap 7600 and then drop in 9800x3d or whatever it’s called with it releases.
If iam going to run the CPU (13900k) with pl1 and pl2 at 253W and 400.0 A i will always run over 90 celius in Cr23 how do you get these temps? Undervolting my CPU is not possible. If i offset 0.015V or more it will bluescreen. How is this possible?
Yep, that worked
I was getting the Video Memory Allocation error when running UE5 games and this fixed it.
Its so weird because I didnt have any issues at first when i built the pc in December but i suspect the chip degraded over time
I had the same case with my 14900k I sold it lmao , now planing to try my luck with 14900ks
My MSI MB tried to do the same thing on my 13900K. It was never a problem for me as I do custom setting for undervolting anyway. I only have a loss of around 5% but my power consumption and thermals are well below stock settings values.
I have a 13900ks with a z690 ASUS extreme with a Corsair 360mm aio , can I copy your Offset undervolt or what would you recommend
No don’t copy me. Silicon lottery is real. Start at -0.050. Go down in 10mV increments.
Would it make sense to try the undervolt in XTU in windows and then once it’s stable apply it in bios? Is there any difference between XTU undervolt and bios?
@@GoTSkillZ No. Intel XTU writes to the BIOS. I would not use Intel XTU, always use BIOS. Usually the system will just reboot and you can lower the undervolt. If you really mess something up you can almost always just clear cmos and start from scratch default settings in BIOS.
I don't find the cpu core cache with the gygabite motherboard
I have an Asus Wifi-6E Z790 Board and an Intel 13900k. I had this computer for just over a year now. I already had to send it in a third time now to the manufacturer because I get random shutdowns after a while (black screens, restart) and it gets worse and worse until the pc is not usable anymore (corrupted Windows and ssd for example)
Could this be the issue?
Corrupted Windows install and SSD errors would suggest f..ed integrated memmory controler in CPU, or DDR5 bad modules - or both at the same time. Many issues may be related to BSODs. However you are right, this is not up to the user to solve issues. He paid for the product and it should just work.
I did what was suggested in this video. No matter what, my i914900k hits 100c pretty quick during a cinabench multi core test. Also, it sais utilization is 150% +. Any suggestions?
Curious, which cooler are you using, what ambient temps? Which motherboard and what is your SP score?
If you clamp to 253w PL1/PL2, there is almost no reason your cooler can't keep it sub 90c. Things that can hurt temps are high ambient temps, low fan speeds, low pump speed, bad cooler contact, bad thermal paste. It's entirely possible you aren't running your pump or fans fast enough. You might also not have the proper LGA mounting offsets and leading to poor or bad contact pressure. Lots of variables and difficult for me to answer.
But my 14900KS SP105 with an Asrock Motherboard and 360mm AIO LFIII also cools the chip perfectly at 253/253w with temps maxing around 80c.
are you still running these setting a month later with no issue? every time i try to load up apex, it freezes... im out of ideas why....
Yes. I’ve been running these settings since Oct 2022.
Such an informative video! Can you please make a manual overclocking video with same board and chip? How much should I undervolt a 14900k with Asus z790 strix e? Currently I have tried 0.11000 and 0.01000 any other recommendations?
If you use Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility, under Advanced tuning, at the top, I set Core Voltage Offset to -0.09 V (that dropped the heat by 10 degrees). I also, further down in the same page, changed the Performance Per-Core Tuning (PPCT) from 57x-60x to 51x for all 7 cores.
this was a challenge for me to get this stable, i had to play with ram speeds as well. I have 7200mhz ram, i had to down clock to 7000mhz, set all my pl limits to 253, set bios to 'enable all limits', my - offset i was able to get up to 0.10200. if i try anything more, it's unstable. I'm on the same board as you but 14900KS. So far so good, will need to see if it remains stable. Gaming temps look good averaging 60-70s. Clocks are stable at 5.9 on pcores and 4.5 on ecores. Also I'm on grizzly contact frame and kryonaut extreme paste, not sure how much the frame helped though.
@@jgo7870I also changed PL1 and PL2 to 175. The power throttle activates but there's no loss in performance.
hi good video question have an asus z790 e gaming wifi ll and i9 14900 k
at the beginning HWMonitor showed high mhz on p-core 5900 mhz as I remember it but after I have updated the bios it is only at 2300mhz on p-core is it not wrong and why?
2300 all the time? Something is clearly wrong. It's normal for the CPU to throttle around when on balanced mode (always use this on a modern PC). It should clock up and down and that is totally normal. It will go to full clocks (if no limits) when needed and throttle back when just idling to save power.
it looks like its locked at 2300 max it could be
I know this is for 13th/14th gen i9s, but I’ve been having temperature issues with my i7 12700kf & I wonder if the power limits & etc being basically unlocked are causing the temperature issues I’m having with my i7?
How much power is your chip pulling? What cooler? Have you changed your thermal paste recently, have you checked for proper mounting pressure and paste spread? What is your ambient temp? Lots of variables. 12th gen i7 shouldn’t have any issues really.
@@TalonsTech I don't remember exactly how much power it pulled when i did a cinebench run a few months ago, i think it was near or a bit over 200w & it was hitting 100c. my cooler is the ID Cooling FrostFlow X 240, I got it a year ago and that was the last time I changed the thermal paste. I should mention that I am on an MSI Z690 board, I have undervolted, changed CPU lite load mode from the default 9 to 3 and nothing has helped my CPU stop reaching mid 80c (very rarely 90c) in games like COD, Cyberpunk & Battlefield and this with the games at 1440p low settings.
At this point, I do suspect my cooler does not have proper mounting pressure & paste spread however I do not have any thermal paste on hand to replace the current thermal paste if I decide to remount the cooler, I wonder if I can still remount the cooler without replacing the current thermal paste?
25:05 dont you tell me that this open hand is actually hiding you typing the password? priceless! hahahah! you made my day! also, you made my day with this tut, it is also priceless, eye opening, thanks bro!
I just do auto clock and max power to 275watts. 64gb 6000hz ram. My stuff turbos to 5.7ghz and then settle to 4.9ghz pcore and 4.3ghz ecore under load. Idles a little above 1ghz. Pretty happy with mine. I mainly use my setup for video editing. I could probably reduce the watt limit just a bit more. Using a 194mm radiator fro. Alphacool in a small form factor case.
Pl1,Pl2 grayed out! Can't change what should I do?
Asus maximus Z690 hero+13900k...
Your video is good, its also in most games the case as you say it will use the full power of 5.9Ghz, but... try Gray Zone Warfare. It pushes the cpu wattage and temps to limits (253w) and causes the vram crash issue, even with those settings. I had to set 125w in bios for that game. I also undervolted and i have the knowhow. My SP is 109. Gray Zone crashes it anyway and pushes it into the limits. This for a game.
Funny you mention that! I am going to upload a video of that game as I’ve been playing it a ton at 5.9ghz no problem. Also my 14900K at 5.7ghz works no issues either.
@@TalonsTech yeah but it pushes the wattages at some scenes like helicopter or some other places over 200w for a game... results in 75-80c spikes. Even Starfield only reached 150w max
@@xLuxSoldi3Rx Wow your temps are wild. I’m seeing 45-55c with spikes up to around 65c and this is at 260-300fps. So for those frames totally acceptable temps for that high of FPS.
@@TalonsTech my temps are all fine in every game, like yours. but Gray Zone pulls 230w sometimes and this results in high temps peaks. Is not an issue of my rig or cooling, its just that one game. i‘m playing on 3440x1440p with an 4090. so i‘m aroung 170fps all the time like. Check with hwinfo in background what the max values are, after a session Gray Zone. Tarkov never exceeds 105W and stays on 45-50c for example
@@xLuxSoldi3Rx I'm sure with time the game will get optimized. It's so new and from a smaller team. I've read posts on Steam from both AMD and Intel having issues with the game crashing, heating their CPUs, and even shutting off their PC. I'm not having any of these issues myself. Outside of occasional stutters entering new areas that aren't cached. But meh, it's new and it will improve. Also Tarkov has terrible CPU utilization so we can't use that as a comparison.