Would love a little breakdown video showing the different temps between an entry level water block all the way to the high-end ABP model! edit: lets convince Jay to do this!!!! get him to buy and compare 4-6 different GPU blocks from various brands! Upvote and hopefully he sees out interest!
I'd like to see it as well, mostly because the temps would be basically similar and all these expensive block manufacturers would be giving the awkward side eye lolol
@@LordHojo exactly! like what is the difference between the $200 corsair block and the $500 EK ABP model? 2-3 degrees max? and the would probably be under synthetic testing not real world applications!
A couple degrees at most. Also, this loop cost $1200 when you could get essentially the same performance from a loop that's like $800. A CPU block shouldn't cost more than about $100. $250 for a CPU block is stupid. Distro plates are for people who want to dump money for looks. Hell, the Corsair XD5 works fine, and has decent mounting options and has enough ports for drain/temp sensor. A GPU block shouldn't cost more than $250. $200 used to be where you get a good block for but prices are going up. And as always, you can find sales pretty regularly. TitanRig just had a decent one site wide.
What surprised me was that my AISuite showed voltages as i set in the bios. For example right now AISuite shows around 1.145 voltage (like bios settings). While my HWinfo still shows voltages like before i did some voltage adjustments. HWinfo lowest voltage shows currently around 1.349 (1.145 in AIsuite). What is the correct one?
@Robin-Visser I would trust HWINFO64. Make sure it's HWINFO64 and not HWmonitor. HWINFO64 will show you current voltages, minimum voltages, and maximum voltages. VID is what you set in BIOS but VCORE is what you should monitor when playing a game or doing a stress test.
@@jjlw2378 I found XTU especially useful on laptops on which the BIOS doesn’t allow for voltage tweaks 🤷♂️ On the main topic though: I would love for Jay to do an XTU tutorial, especially since the newer versions appear to have removed a lot of the older ones’ options (that is why I’m actually sticking to an older XTU version myself…
When it comes to undervolti g honestly there isnt that absurdly much that can go wrong. You might crash but you can't damage ur system since ur not Pushing more voltage but instead less. I would just play around! See at what point the fps loss starts to become to big or whatever temp ur comfortable with
@@squidwardo7074 I know, but i'm mainly talking about GPU/CPU that doesn't come gimped from the shop at stock(bad cooler/overvolted). I remember undervolting my old Ryzen 3600, from using 90W stock and throttling really hard with the wraith stealth that comes with it, to a 60W 1.05V 65°C getting almost 10% more performance.
One of the best thing I did for my custom loop was to add a 5 dollar water temp sensor. That way the fan curve is not dependent on temp spikes that might occur but otherwise have no impact on the cooling performance.
There's a way to have a delay on fan response to not have fans ramp up to temp spikes, but I agree it makes most sense to adjust fan speeds according to water temp. I added a temp sensor to mine as well, but I went the lazy route and just taped a temp sensor to one of the tubes out of sight.
@10:00 Imagine not having to choose... You can do that with Fan Control. Just create a custom sensor with max function and add CPU and GPU to this one. Whichever is higher will dictate what the sensor is reading. This can then be used for the fan curves.
would be pretty much identical performance. the fans would matter most, then the fin density and thickness of the radiators, so provided those are the same you might get .5C cooler with the 300 EK block over a byski or barrow, or even the cheaper EK block. and the difference now is more about where the block is placed over the IHS not the size or amount of fins.
@@christophergarrison2628 I understand what you mean, water cooling anything is gonna be expensive, which is why I said "budget". However, I doubt most people with custom loops spend $1200 on just the hardware for it.
Can confirm that an Active Backplate on a 3090 is worth it. I went single water block and had VRAM stability issues. Grabbed the active backplate when those came out and I've had no issues since. I could OC it pretty well after too.
I think Jay is underselling the awesomeness of a custom loop, namely the superior aesthetics, as well as the best performance to fan noise ratio you can get. I miss the days when Jay would go ham on a build with out a second thought. I suppose it is realistic to tell people that all of the extra goodies are not necessary, but I like to see the excitement for the pedal to the metal builds. The mega man computer looks awesome. I am pretty happy with my custom loop, but I definitely want to take some design cues from the clean looks Jay is able to achieve in his builds.
As a 12700k owner that's never pushed it from stock I'd love a run down on XTU. Fiddled with it before but because my games run just fine with my cpu and 3080 12GB at stock I've never felt the need to oc. Awesome build though Jay, I'm sure your buddy will be thrilled with it!!!
Gaming room temp solution. In a house I used to own, it would always get warmer in the master bedroom because it was above the garage. So we installed a small window unit and it fixed the problem. No need to freeze out the rest of the house. The unit didn't actually run that much; just enough to fix the temp difference. They also make portable units now which run fairly quiet. You sit it under the window and the exhaust host attached to a ~6" tall mounting plate made to span the window width without blocking the entire window like a window unit would.
From what history says... no more the a few degrees with proper airflow in the chassis. 3 to 6 degrees when a watercooled PC vs a good high end air cooler with great fans.
someone already did this, i looked for the video but i cant find it. What it comes down to is that these new cpu flagships are so densly packed and produce so much heat so quickly that smaller air coolers with heatpipes tend to start boiling and start thermal runaway. For waterblocks and AIO's basicly anything will be fine as long as they work.
With Ryzen 7000 it makes no difference, those CPUs actively want to be 95C or something insane like that. And the extreme TDP i9's of the past couple generations are basically impossible to cool on air. For more normal CPUs, the differences aren't that huge. These days you mainly do water cooling for silence or for aesthetics or as a hobby. In the case of silence, depending on how far you want to go, air cooling has no chance when you start to consider things like Airplex Gigant or even just a MoRa. As for aesthetics and hobby, considerations are way different there.
Plenty of videos out there already. They're all pretty close, the main bottleneck is IHS (especially AMDs IHS) and mounting brackets, not the cooler itself.
Would love to see an XTU tutorial. I'm running an 11700k that gets a bit too hot for my liking when it's stressed out, so I might benefit from some voltage tuning.
I have a 12600k, main use gaming and there's one game that jack my temps up so that with stock voltage I redline and throttle immediately. I started undervolting my CPU voltage shortly after I built my system. It's great; seriously drops your CPU temps.
I know your friend is going to love how the build turned out. Looks awesome! An XTU tutorial would be great to see as I plan on doing an Intel build soon.
Another vote for a complete XTU tutorial. Ive watched your 12900k Asus AI overclock and undervolt with XTU. Did the same with my 13700k (Asus Ai Overclock+ XTU undervolt). But It would be nice to know how to enable the new undervolt Vcore Voltage (example: -0.130mv) at the startup of the PC without having to open XTU and set the settings every single time. Thanks Jay 👍
If you want to test your loop in the most extreme circumstance, use the “Power” test in OCCT. Would push up to 850W in your loop (which I reckon it wouldn’t struggle too much with)
13900k here with thermalright lg1700 mount, grizzly kryonaut paste, arctic 420mm aio in a corsair 7000d. Temps are 29c-30c idle and 39600 cinabench at 5.6ghz 90-94c max temps. Really happy with the temps while gaming and idle with this setup from what ive seen in other builds online.
I’d love to see a mini water loop in a SFF case, even with soft tubing. Some sort of miniature overkill machine would be quite impressive, and watching the build would be amazing.
I actually started playing with my XTU long before I got to that point in the video. I would love a tutorial. I played with it a bit when I built my machine (it does have a 13900), but my computer started exhibiting "quirky" behavior so I went back to stock.
Jay always strikes me as a someone who would be a very nice, chill friend. Not to be friends just to score an epic PC builds or anything like that, but because he seems like a genuinely mellow and nice guy to just hang out and talk with. Many of the other major tech youtubers kinda feel high-strung and a bit.. difficult. Good guys, but not always super sociable.
The active backplate has sense on the 3090 (since it has memory on the backside). I have seen mem temps around 100ºC while the gpu core is 70. That was fixed when I added my EK backplate. I don''t have a 4090, but I think it does not mount mem chips on the backside.
So, after watching vids on this channel for some time now, and the recurring insistence on cable management, I decided to do a summer spruce up on the living room/pc power and cabling. I've lived here 12 years, can't recall ever doing one before, probably some room for improvement. They're mostly shoved behind furniture anyway, how bad could it be? Woosh. Turns out, I never removed cables whenever I changed/replaced/updated a device, I just laid new ones over the top. Filled an entire box totaling 15-20 pounds of unplugged/unused cables. Audio cables, power cables, power adapters, CAT5, extension cords, and more. 3 power strips comfortably trimmed to 1.5. Appreciate the curbing of a bad habit I didn't even know I had.
Watercooling IS fun. Similarly, when building my loop I could have stuck with a single 45mm thick 280mm rad. By adding a second one temps are rock solid, drop back to idle SUPER fast, fans are quiet, & I’m ready when I upgrade my 2080FE. Thanks for the follow up!
I always prefer a cooler room, so I don't mind being cold, I like to wear a gown or cardigan if a gown is a bit warm, mostly because the computer does well to keep things comfortable, my logic is that the cooler the ambient temps, can be a good thing for cooling your computer via normal air cooling
That's what people do for communication and server rooms in large buildings like hotels....you put in a dedicated AC unit. You need the ability to cool in the winter when the normal AC would be heating.
🪄✨ Made with SummarizeYT app 0:00 - The video introduces the topic of temperatures in PC builds. 0:12 - The creator mentions making a separate video about temperatures in their system. 0:18 - The creator talks about their friend's custom water-cooled computer build. 0:33 - The creator discusses stress testing and checking temperatures during the process. 1:40 - The creator talks about the cost of the water cooling loop in their friend's build. 2:07 - The creator is curious about the effectiveness of an active backplate in cooling the GPU. 3:01 - The creator talks about the stress testing software used to monitor temperatures and performance. 4:01 - The creator discusses the idle temperature of the GPU in their friend's build. 5:01 - The creator explains the importance of stress testing and ensuring system stability. 09:38 - The creator discusses the temperatures in PC builds and the importance of stress testing and monitoring temperatures. 10:22 - The creator mentions using stress testing software to monitor temperatures and performance. 11:03 - The creator talks about the equilibrium temperature during cinebench. 12:29 - The creator talks about the temperature in the room and its effect on gaming performance. 14:02 - The creator discusses the improvement in temperature with an active backplate and its cost. 15:43 - The creator mentions the potential hot RAM chips on the back of a 3090 GPU. 19:15 - The creator concludes that water cooling is impractical but fun.
I just built my first custom loop with a 14900k and I thought I was crazy with my temps spiking up to the mid 90s, this eased my nerves a little though seeing a 13900k running hot
@JayzTwoCents installing smart vents in your HVAC system can help equalize temperatures across the house, or even focus cooling/heating only in occupied rooms.
Phil's 3090 is like mine. I ran it in my SFF in my living room. The backside was always really hot, even with new thermal pads. I swapped it with my 4070Ti in my main rig performance is pretty much on par so no big difference. The 3090 mounted vertical in my Lian Li O11D with 3 fans beneath it blowing up keeps it well in check. Definitely not a card for SFF. 4070Ti runs great in it, so I am happy for now.
Jay, you can zone your HVAC system. A decent company can do that regardless of your current system. A new controller and a couple of t stats and zone dampeners, done. This would allow you to use your hvac system to just heat / cool, a select zone. OR you can put a mini split in your gaming room. The later is way easier but a touch more expensive.
This is the evolution of Jayztwocents. Skunkworks used to be Jay's excuse to put all of the most ridiculous components in a build, to splurge so to speak. Now that he can put all those components in a build pretty much any time he wants, he builds a sick, but arguably practical rig for himself and balls out for his best friend. It gives me the warm and fuzzies to see someone paying it back to the people who helped them get where they are
I love your custom loop videos. And after each one, I am more sure I will never do a custom loop, as pretty as they are. There is a service in that, cause I have jumped into new hobbies without looking first.
im building my next pc on intel and would love to have an xtu tutorial to watch when im trying to bring my power draw down, as im building in a sff case
Every AIO I've had has died within a year or two. Spent at most 3x the cost of an AIO and have had my custom loop for over 6 years with zero issues and basically done no maintenance and performance is so much better than an AIO. Well worth the extra cost, as it's actually cost me less than an AIO and less in headaches too.
could we get an overclocking "tutorial" or some kind of (explanation/walkthrough, things to consider, etc) other video from this channel? I love your style, and am interested in learning overclocking/general system tuning. If not, it's cool. love what you do, thanks!
please do a full MSI Afterburner tutorial explaining ALL Settings and all the pages. your tutorial videos are amazing and I always watch them multiple times.
water cooling is just fun. and TBF depending on your workload or how you play games, if your loop has enough volume you could pull a lot of power before it even starts equalizing. Don't forget most of the time people testing are doing the equalizing to get actual real world sustained temps. But in reality you can probably get close to 30 min or so before temps even start going up in some water cooled systems. Where air cooled systems will instantly go to max temps. Just a thing most people don't really talk about.
Not really. if the transfer of heat to the water was instant then sure. But often times you will have the same spikes you get on air. Just your averages are a lot lower
I sent the PWM signals, from each part, to each of the rad fans. If any part (CPU, GPU, MB) becomes warmer, then that fan RPM goes up and rad gets more air for cooling. Other than my electric bill for AC, i don't have any cooling problems. You don't need to fidget with fan curves. Let your computer's individual heat sources control how much cooling the system needs.
You mentioned in cooling the 4090 that heat radiates 360*. I agree. And I'm a little surprised that they haven't thought of the same thing for CPUs, adding a heatsink behind the motherboard. Especially since more and more cases come with space behind the motherboard tray for cable management. I had been doing that, adding a small, little heatsink to the back on motherboards that I can get to support it. A small difference, but still a difference. I believe if something was implemented right, it could make a bigger difference. Especially with these newer CPUs.
Instead of basing the fan curve off of the CPU or GPU temp, when I build custom loops I prefer to put a temperature probe in the loop somewhere and base the fan speeds off of coolant temperature. You can get them either as stop plugs or as small male to female fittings, and adjusting the fan speed to coolant temperature is a better way to keep your speeds in line with mixed workloads.
I would love a tutorial on XTU AND how to undervolt a Nvidia gpu...heard that was pretty beneficial too without too much performance loss but I havent found a source yet that explains it in a way I can understand it properly as a noob computer person :P
Hotspot on my Powercolor 7900xtx (air) hits 100c while the "temp" hits 55-65. Just killin me wanting to pop it open and drop some De-baur on it. 5800x3d is just on an arctic 240 and it never hits its top end. Great build Jay. Watched this puppy from day 1 on your releases.
You should run 3 passes on Linpack extreme as a final stability test. I found cinebench wasnt enough to surface stability issues until I ran linpack. Great for Ram and Cache oc testing too.
I’d like to see the smallest form factor build that is still a quiet system. 4090 + 7950X3D or 13900K. Most SFF builds are extremely loud, so what is the smallest possible build without compromising noise? Water cooled or air cooled
i've built 2 in the years. They're relatively loud even if done well, mine is an A4-H2O with a 3080ti and on raytracing load it does push a lot of air to keep the water temp controlled, but still less than a non-optimized aircooled ATX case or a normal loop that blasts the fans. The uncompromised one is the one with a radiator outside the case. There are a lot of builds to watch, they're called "EXT"
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 I know of the EXT builds but that’s not an option. I’m in search of the smallest possible build that produces the lowest noise possible. Is that mini ITX or MATX? Or is it not possible and you have to go ATX?
@@vdbmario all you need is space for the radiator and a good amount of airflow. Putting an extra radiator right on the GPU block imo will make it even noisier. I can suggest a 280mm Meshlicious
You would have to use a worse gpu and cpu to get less noise. Honestly tho, unless you're playing with all the graphics turned up and at 4k, all you need is a mid tier cpu and a 60 or 70 series gpu nowadays
Something I'd like to PSA here is CB isn't great for stability testing. OCCT, y-cruncher, and Intel burn test are much better at finding fully stable clocks and voltages.
Imo, thoroughly worth the price of the loop because learning more about dis-plates and learning to drill your own connections "should" pay for itself later on if you really decide to get crazy!
Hey Jay great build, how about a video comparing msi lite load temp reductions vs the temp reductions from voltage tuning in xtu. On 13th gen I have found msi lite load 1 gives me a 10 degree drop in temps with no loss in performance or stability
XTU tutorial what be great! I have just built a 13700k system and have no experience with undervolting etc. I am using a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 se cooler and with Cinebench looping I am maxing out at around 94°c. I use my pc primarily for astrophotography image processing using software called Pixinsight which smashes the cpu with 100% load for extended periods of time and temps quickly reach 100°c and stay there. I need these temps down! 😬 Love watching your channel 👍👍
For the fan speeds, you can wire up a water temperature sensor into your loop and then queue your fans off that temperature. That way it doesn’t matter which component is heating the water it will always spin up the fans to cool it. You also don’t get the fans spinning up for small spikes in activity because that usually doesn’t cause a noticeable difference in water temps so it’s quieter. Since in reality those fans main job is controlling the temperature of the water not of the pc components. The water/pump is responsible for the components. If you’re gonna spend $1200 on a loop might as well get one.
I think premium gaming PCs are 100% completely neat to have. You could go down to a 4080, or a 30x0 GPU, you could go down to a 13600K you could go down to 12th gen. Same on the AMD side of things. At the absolute top of the range, it's just "because I wanted to." which is a completely valid reason. You don't HAVE to buy a new $100k SUV, but if you have the means and the want, there are plenty of options for you.
I’d love to see an XTU tutorial, I built a 12th gen i7 last year and wanted to adjust the voltages for optimal performance, power and reliability. I’m afraid to touch any of that stuff since I don’t really know what I’m doing, so can you help me out please Jay? I’d really appreciate that, thanks.
An active backplate would mostly be effective on a GPU that has VRMs on both sides of the PCB like in most 3090 series cards, I myself am in the process of not only going with an active backplate but also doing a coppoer mod on the VRMs instead of thermal pads, just because the VRM temps on the Asus TUF RTX3090 OC card can get rediculously hot
If the m.2 slot Asus have shown off were to become a common feature that would be even more useful for the active back plate idea, especially with how hot gen5 drives can get. A 4090 gets nowhere near the saturation limits of gen4 and if gen5 was used for the next generation then lanes for ssds would not be a issue.
@@bionicgeekgrrl Not sure where you are getting the comparison with VRAM and NVME, GPU VRAM is a diferent archetecture and they mostly use DDR6 memory chips on their VRAM now a days. I have seen the temperatures on my 3090 VRAM reach upwards of 90°, making the GPU backplate quite a bit toasty and too hot to touch
@@bionicgeekgrrl Also note that I am refering to the 3090 that comes with VRAM chips on both sides of the card, the 4090 only has VRAM chips on the die side and not on the back
@@THORDOX Have you not seen the 4060Ti ASUS have shown off? they've put an m.2 slot on the back. The active backplate if such a thing was put on say a 5080 or 5090 if it used PCIe Gen5 would be a good use for cooling such a device, especially given the heat gen5 SSDs give off and the size of the heatsinks some need now which could interfere with the GPU. I was not talking about the VRAM at all if you re read my comment.
I appreciate the explanation in regards to different GPU cores and how it relates to temeperatures/power conspumtion as I was previously confounded by such a problem, being unable to determine why my GPU was underperforming (clock-wise) in more modern RTX games while power limited.
I used to know what it was like with everyone being uncomfortable thanks to central AC and then I learned how to do zoned heating and cooling and now everyone is comfortable.
Great Video! You referenced an old video about what to do after you build a pc. Updates on that stuff are always helpful. Also, I wish more content creators did price point builds. 500/1k/1.k. It’d help people like me.😊
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Would love a little breakdown video showing the different temps between an entry level water block all the way to the high-end ABP model!
edit: lets convince Jay to do this!!!! get him to buy and compare 4-6 different GPU blocks from various brands!
Upvote and hopefully he sees out interest!
I'd like to see it as well, mostly because the temps would be basically similar and all these expensive block manufacturers would be giving the awkward side eye lolol
@@LordHojo exactly! like what is the difference between the $200 corsair block and the $500 EK ABP model? 2-3 degrees max? and the would probably be under synthetic testing not real world applications!
No! Nothing but high end components from every tech channel! Stop being poor !😂....😢
@@stefensmith9522 I'm working on my second million now. (I gave up on the first one)
A couple degrees at most.
Also, this loop cost $1200 when you could get essentially the same performance from a loop that's like $800. A CPU block shouldn't cost more than about $100. $250 for a CPU block is stupid. Distro plates are for people who want to dump money for looks. Hell, the Corsair XD5 works fine, and has decent mounting options and has enough ports for drain/temp sensor. A GPU block shouldn't cost more than $250. $200 used to be where you get a good block for but prices are going up.
And as always, you can find sales pretty regularly. TitanRig just had a decent one site wide.
Cool build, Jay. By the way, I would love a tutorial on XTU.
It's better to just use your motherboards' BIOS. There's numerous things you can do with the bios that you can't do with XTU.
Same
What surprised me was that my AISuite showed voltages as i set in the bios.
For example right now AISuite shows around 1.145 voltage (like bios settings). While my HWinfo still shows voltages like before i did some voltage adjustments.
HWinfo lowest voltage shows currently around 1.349 (1.145 in AIsuite). What is the correct one?
@Robin-Visser I would trust HWINFO64. Make sure it's HWINFO64 and not HWmonitor. HWINFO64 will show you current voltages, minimum voltages, and maximum voltages. VID is what you set in BIOS but VCORE is what you should monitor when playing a game or doing a stress test.
@@jjlw2378 I found XTU especially useful on laptops on which the BIOS doesn’t allow for voltage tweaks 🤷♂️
On the main topic though: I would love for Jay to do an XTU tutorial, especially since the newer versions appear to have removed a lot of the older ones’ options (that is why I’m actually sticking to an older XTU version myself…
I would like to see an XTU tutorial. The build looks great.
Nice build and I would definitely would like to see a tutorial video on XTU. I use XTU and it would be helpful to see where I can modify my settings.
Would love to see an XTU tutorial. I run a 13900K with a 4090, running everything all stock right now. Saving a few Watts would be great :)
When it comes to undervolti g honestly there isnt that absurdly much that can go wrong. You might crash but you can't damage ur system since ur not Pushing more voltage but instead less. I would just play around! See at what point the fps loss starts to become to big or whatever temp ur comfortable with
never run a modern CPU or GPU without any undervolting, you're basically wasting upwards of 50W for 0.5% performance.
i saved on my 3080ti around 70W & temps+fan speed also dropped by 20% uv is the new oc lol
@@MaxIronsThird undervolts can gain performance sometimes due to lower temps. i get like 3% higher cinebench score when i undervolt my cpu
@@squidwardo7074 I know, but i'm mainly talking about GPU/CPU that doesn't come gimped from the shop at stock(bad cooler/overvolted).
I remember undervolting my old Ryzen 3600, from using 90W stock and throttling really hard with the wraith stealth that comes with it, to a 60W 1.05V 65°C getting almost 10% more performance.
I need a solid undervolting guide. ❤️would love to see Jay do a video on that
One of the best thing I did for my custom loop was to add a 5 dollar water temp sensor. That way the fan curve is not dependent on temp spikes that might occur but otherwise have no impact on the cooling performance.
It's a must have tbh.
That's a really cool idea.
There's a way to have a delay on fan response to not have fans ramp up to temp spikes, but I agree it makes most sense to adjust fan speeds according to water temp. I added a temp sensor to mine as well, but I went the lazy route and just taped a temp sensor to one of the tubes out of sight.
@@ThunderStorm9613 hey if it works then it's not dumb right? Lol
so sophisticated. i just leave my fans at a fixed speed.
@10:00 Imagine not having to choose... You can do that with Fan Control. Just create a custom sensor with max function and add CPU and GPU to this one. Whichever is higher will dictate what the sensor is reading. This can then be used for the fan curves.
I'd love to see a video on "budget" loops and how they compare to something like this.
I agree. He needs to do a video in Bykski or Barrow wc blocks instead of shilling for over priced EK products.
And how they compare to AiOs as well, since the prices might be close...
would be pretty much identical performance. the fans would matter most, then the fin density and thickness of the radiators, so provided those are the same you might get .5C cooler with the 300 EK block over a byski or barrow, or even the cheaper EK block. and the difference now is more about where the block is placed over the IHS not the size or amount of fins.
No such thing as a budget loop
@@christophergarrison2628 I understand what you mean, water cooling anything is gonna be expensive, which is why I said "budget". However, I doubt most people with custom loops spend $1200 on just the hardware for it.
Can confirm that an Active Backplate on a 3090 is worth it.
I went single water block and had VRAM stability issues. Grabbed the active backplate when those came out and I've had no issues since.
I could OC it pretty well after too.
I think Jay is underselling the awesomeness of a custom loop, namely the superior aesthetics, as well as the best performance to fan noise ratio you can get. I miss the days when Jay would go ham on a build with out a second thought. I suppose it is realistic to tell people that all of the extra goodies are not necessary, but I like to see the excitement for the pedal to the metal builds. The mega man computer looks awesome. I am pretty happy with my custom loop, but I definitely want to take some design cues from the clean looks Jay is able to achieve in his builds.
As a 12700k owner that's never pushed it from stock I'd love a run down on XTU. Fiddled with it before but because my games run just fine with my cpu and 3080 12GB at stock I've never felt the need to oc.
Awesome build though Jay, I'm sure your buddy will be thrilled with it!!!
For sure, always interested in seeing more possibilities to tweak the system. Undervolting is really good in these days
Gaming room temp solution.
In a house I used to own, it would always get warmer in the master bedroom because it was above the garage. So we installed a small window unit and it fixed the problem. No need to freeze out the rest of the house. The unit didn't actually run that much; just enough to fix the temp difference. They also make portable units now which run fairly quiet. You sit it under the window and the exhaust host attached to a ~6" tall mounting plate made to span the window width without blocking the entire window like a window unit would.
With the high end CPUs, it would be interesting how well a big o air cooler does compared to water cooled CPU.
From what history says... no more the a few degrees with proper airflow in the chassis. 3 to 6 degrees when a watercooled PC vs a good high end air cooler with great fans.
someone already did this, i looked for the video but i cant find it. What it comes down to is that these new cpu flagships are so densly packed and produce so much heat so quickly that smaller air coolers with heatpipes tend to start boiling and start thermal runaway. For waterblocks and AIO's basicly anything will be fine as long as they work.
LTT have done an Air vs AIO test before.
There are only a few air coolers that can 'cope' with these silly TDP i9's.
With Ryzen 7000 it makes no difference, those CPUs actively want to be 95C or something insane like that. And the extreme TDP i9's of the past couple generations are basically impossible to cool on air.
For more normal CPUs, the differences aren't that huge. These days you mainly do water cooling for silence or for aesthetics or as a hobby. In the case of silence, depending on how far you want to go, air cooling has no chance when you start to consider things like Airplex Gigant or even just a MoRa. As for aesthetics and hobby, considerations are way different there.
Plenty of videos out there already. They're all pretty close, the main bottleneck is IHS (especially AMDs IHS) and mounting brackets, not the cooler itself.
An XTU tutorial would be fantastic. We appreciate everything you do for the community.
Love you jay.
Love you jay
Oh 😂😂😂 I love you guys too.
Wait??!! You don't mean me. Lol
I think he meant me.
Love you too bro, BBF ❤
Love you too
Would love to see an XTU tutorial. I'm running an 11700k that gets a bit too hot for my liking when it's stressed out, so I might benefit from some voltage tuning.
I have a 12600k, main use gaming and there's one game that jack my temps up so that with stock voltage I redline and throttle immediately. I started undervolting my CPU voltage shortly after I built my system. It's great; seriously drops your CPU temps.
my 13600k uv (aio is ek 360 elite with noctua nf-a12x25 fans ) never goes above 60C while gaming on 1440p
I know your friend is going to love how the build turned out. Looks awesome! An XTU tutorial would be great to see as I plan on doing an Intel build soon.
Another vote for a complete XTU tutorial.
Ive watched your 12900k Asus AI overclock and undervolt with XTU.
Did the same with my 13700k (Asus Ai Overclock+ XTU undervolt).
But
It would be nice to know how to enable the new undervolt Vcore Voltage (example: -0.130mv) at the startup of the PC without having to open XTU and set the settings every single time.
Thanks Jay 👍
If you want to test your loop in the most extreme circumstance, use the “Power” test in OCCT. Would push up to 850W in your loop (which I reckon it wouldn’t struggle too much with)
13900k here with thermalright lg1700 mount, grizzly kryonaut paste, arctic 420mm aio in a corsair 7000d. Temps are 29c-30c idle and 39600 cinabench at 5.6ghz 90-94c max temps. Really happy with the temps while gaming and idle with this setup from what ive seen in other builds online.
I’d love to see a mini water loop in a SFF case, even with soft tubing. Some sort of miniature overkill machine would be quite impressive, and watching the build would be amazing.
Agreed, I would love to see Jay doing a high-end custom loop SFF build!
A channel called optimum tech recently did that I think. Not sure if there's a build log though
@@humanbean6672 yep, optimum tech has done several builds in SFF-cases.
Fascinating, thank you for sharing Jay!
Would definitely love an XTU walk-through, especially to undervolt a 13th gen
I definitely want to see how to lower the volts and how to use XTU. Do it JAY!
I actually started playing with my XTU long before I got to that point in the video. I would love a tutorial. I played with it a bit when I built my machine (it does have a 13900), but my computer started exhibiting "quirky" behavior so I went back to stock.
Plus 1 for the XTU vid🙂👍 oh and over building is ALWAYS necessary 😁👍this build is gorgeous!
A beginners guide to total system temp control would be great. Looking forward to a two hour video 👍
Jay, we appreciate your honesty and neat to have vs need to have was nice!
also, xtu tutorial plz
Jay always strikes me as a someone who would be a very nice, chill friend. Not to be friends just to score an epic PC builds or anything like that, but because he seems like a genuinely mellow and nice guy to just hang out and talk with. Many of the other major tech youtubers kinda feel high-strung and a bit.. difficult. Good guys, but not always super sociable.
The active backplate has sense on the 3090 (since it has memory on the backside). I have seen mem temps around 100ºC while the gpu core is 70. That was fixed when I added my EK backplate. I don''t have a 4090, but I think it does not mount mem chips on the backside.
jay's wife is so lucky to have someone as awesome as him with good looks as well
Honestly this dual block performace is for me the most interesting thing of this build - so I also waited for it ;)
My genius idea, if I leave one behind.
Neutrinos can be edited and emited as a transponder.
"Mic drop".
So, after watching vids on this channel for some time now, and the recurring insistence on cable management, I decided to do a summer spruce up on the living room/pc power and cabling. I've lived here 12 years, can't recall ever doing one before, probably some room for improvement. They're mostly shoved behind furniture anyway, how bad could it be?
Woosh. Turns out, I never removed cables whenever I changed/replaced/updated a device, I just laid new ones over the top. Filled an entire box totaling 15-20 pounds of unplugged/unused cables. Audio cables, power cables, power adapters, CAT5, extension cords, and more. 3 power strips comfortably trimmed to 1.5. Appreciate the curbing of a bad habit I didn't even know I had.
Watercooling IS fun. Similarly, when building my loop I could have stuck with a single 45mm thick 280mm rad. By adding a second one temps are rock solid, drop back to idle SUPER fast, fans are quiet, & I’m ready when I upgrade my 2080FE. Thanks for the follow up!
I always prefer a cooler room, so I don't mind being cold, I like to wear a gown or cardigan if a gown is a bit warm, mostly because the computer does well to keep things comfortable, my logic is that the cooler the ambient temps, can be a good thing for cooling your computer via normal air cooling
That's what people do for communication and server rooms in large buildings like hotels....you put in a dedicated AC unit. You need the ability to cool in the winter when the normal AC would be heating.
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0:00 - The video introduces the topic of temperatures in PC builds.
0:12 - The creator mentions making a separate video about temperatures in their system.
0:18 - The creator talks about their friend's custom water-cooled computer build.
0:33 - The creator discusses stress testing and checking temperatures during the process.
1:40 - The creator talks about the cost of the water cooling loop in their friend's build.
2:07 - The creator is curious about the effectiveness of an active backplate in cooling the GPU.
3:01 - The creator talks about the stress testing software used to monitor temperatures and performance.
4:01 - The creator discusses the idle temperature of the GPU in their friend's build.
5:01 - The creator explains the importance of stress testing and ensuring system stability.
09:38 - The creator discusses the temperatures in PC builds and the importance of stress testing and monitoring temperatures.
10:22 - The creator mentions using stress testing software to monitor temperatures and performance.
11:03 - The creator talks about the equilibrium temperature during cinebench.
12:29 - The creator talks about the temperature in the room and its effect on gaming performance.
14:02 - The creator discusses the improvement in temperature with an active backplate and its cost.
15:43 - The creator mentions the potential hot RAM chips on the back of a 3090 GPU.
19:15 - The creator concludes that water cooling is impractical but fun.
I have a i9 13900k. With a 360mm rad. And it does its job. Hovers in the 50s or low 60s. Flying in msfs.
I just built my first custom loop with a 14900k and I thought I was crazy with my temps spiking up to the mid 90s, this eased my nerves a little though seeing a 13900k running hot
Would def like to see an XTU tutorial. Already OCing my 12600k with slight undervolt but would like to eek out as much perf as I can with my new 4090
@JayzTwoCents installing smart vents in your HVAC system can help equalize temperatures across the house, or even focus cooling/heating only in occupied rooms.
Yes, please do an in depth video on XTU. I'm good at tuning AMD but can't figure out Intel to save my life. Awesome build.
Phil's 3090 is like mine. I ran it in my SFF in my living room. The backside was always really hot, even with new thermal pads. I swapped it with my 4070Ti in my main rig performance is pretty much on par so no big difference. The 3090 mounted vertical in my Lian Li O11D with 3 fans beneath it blowing up keeps it well in check. Definitely not a card for SFF. 4070Ti runs great in it, so I am happy for now.
Great video, gave me some ideas but definetly would love an XTU tutorial since I can not make my OC to apply on startup
Yes, XTU vs BIOS tuning.
Thanks, Jay! Love you!
Jay, you can zone your HVAC system. A decent company can do that regardless of your current system. A new controller and a couple of t stats and zone dampeners, done. This would allow you to use your hvac system to just heat / cool, a select zone. OR you can put a mini split in your gaming room. The later is way easier but a touch more expensive.
10:46 correction - Intel's 13th gen CPUs don't utilize AVX-512. Some older 12th gen models could with an earlier BIOS.
of course they do, just the efficient cores that don't have 512 instructions.
Would love an XTU tutorial for sure!
This is the evolution of Jayztwocents. Skunkworks used to be Jay's excuse to put all of the most ridiculous components in a build, to splurge so to speak. Now that he can put all those components in a build pretty much any time he wants, he builds a sick, but arguably practical rig for himself and balls out for his best friend. It gives me the warm and fuzzies to see someone paying it back to the people who helped them get where they are
17:10 Will @ Boosted Media would probably happily show Jay a setup that stresses a 4090 😅
An XTU tutorial would be very much helpful
I love your custom loop videos. And after each one, I am more sure I will never do a custom loop, as pretty as they are. There is a service in that, cause I have jumped into new hobbies without looking first.
Same here. The costs quickly start to ramp up too
im building my next pc on intel and would love to have an xtu tutorial to watch when im trying to bring my power draw down, as im building in a sff case
Every AIO I've had has died within a year or two. Spent at most 3x the cost of an AIO and have had my custom loop for over 6 years with zero issues and basically done no maintenance and performance is so much better than an AIO. Well worth the extra cost, as it's actually cost me less than an AIO and less in headaches too.
could we get an overclocking "tutorial" or some kind of (explanation/walkthrough, things to consider, etc) other video from this channel? I love your style, and am interested in learning overclocking/general system tuning. If not, it's cool. love what you do, thanks!
Definitely an XTU vid pls Jay, I need to adjust the voltages on my partner's 13900/4090 system that I recently built.
please do a full MSI Afterburner tutorial explaining ALL Settings and all the pages. your tutorial videos are amazing and I always watch them multiple times.
water cooling is just fun. and TBF depending on your workload or how you play games, if your loop has enough volume you could pull a lot of power before it even starts equalizing. Don't forget most of the time people testing are doing the equalizing to get actual real world sustained temps. But in reality you can probably get close to 30 min or so before temps even start going up in some water cooled systems. Where air cooled systems will instantly go to max temps. Just a thing most people don't really talk about.
Standard water/radiator theory - you are correct, isn't mentioned enough
Not really. if the transfer of heat to the water was instant then sure. But often times you will have the same spikes you get on air. Just your averages are a lot lower
I sent the PWM signals, from each part, to each of the rad fans. If any part (CPU, GPU, MB) becomes warmer, then that fan RPM goes up and rad gets more air for cooling. Other than my electric bill for AC, i don't have any cooling problems. You don't need to fidget with fan curves. Let your computer's individual heat sources control how much cooling the system needs.
LOL @ Phil exactly my thought! Plus, a drill press.
You mentioned in cooling the 4090 that heat radiates 360*. I agree. And I'm a little surprised that they haven't thought of the same thing for CPUs, adding a heatsink behind the motherboard. Especially since more and more cases come with space behind the motherboard tray for cable management. I had been doing that, adding a small, little heatsink to the back on motherboards that I can get to support it. A small difference, but still a difference. I believe if something was implemented right, it could make a bigger difference. Especially with these newer CPUs.
Even though i have mostly used AMD for the last 30ish years. I would like to see how to work XTU. It helps to learn how to work all the programs.
That iFixit advert never gets old! Jays might be the only advertisements i don't skip!
That is The best looking Build I have ever seen, Great Job Jay👍
Really Nice Looking System I bet the owner will love it.
Wow... that's an expensive but very nice PC, you did good for your buddy.
You are a good best friend Jay.
Instead of basing the fan curve off of the CPU or GPU temp, when I build custom loops I prefer to put a temperature probe in the loop somewhere and base the fan speeds off of coolant temperature. You can get them either as stop plugs or as small male to female fittings, and adjusting the fan speed to coolant temperature is a better way to keep your speeds in line with mixed workloads.
1200 dollars produces similar results to just putting my PC in front of my cooler.
I would love a tutorial on XTU AND how to undervolt a Nvidia gpu...heard that was pretty beneficial too without too much performance loss but I havent found a source yet that explains it in a way I can understand it properly as a noob computer person :P
I love XTU its crazy how just a 0.05v offset can do to your room, these 13th Gen are pushing way to much voltage
" Its neat to have not a need to have"
Well said sir. Very true indeed.
Hotspot on my Powercolor 7900xtx (air) hits 100c while the "temp" hits 55-65. Just killin me wanting to pop it open and drop some De-baur on it. 5800x3d is just on an arctic 240 and it never hits its top end. Great build Jay. Watched this puppy from day 1 on your releases.
You should run 3 passes on Linpack extreme as a final stability test. I found cinebench wasnt enough to surface stability issues until I ran linpack. Great for Ram and Cache oc testing too.
Totally agree
I’d like to see the smallest form factor build that is still a quiet system. 4090 + 7950X3D or 13900K. Most SFF builds are extremely loud, so what is the smallest possible build without compromising noise? Water cooled or air cooled
i've built 2 in the years. They're relatively loud even if done well, mine is an A4-H2O with a 3080ti and on raytracing load it does push a lot of air to keep the water temp controlled, but still less than a non-optimized aircooled ATX case or a normal loop that blasts the fans.
The uncompromised one is the one with a radiator outside the case. There are a lot of builds to watch, they're called "EXT"
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 I know of the EXT builds but that’s not an option. I’m in search of the smallest possible build that produces the lowest noise possible. Is that mini ITX or MATX? Or is it not possible and you have to go ATX?
@@vdbmario all you need is space for the radiator and a good amount of airflow. Putting an extra radiator right on the GPU block imo will
make it even noisier.
I can suggest a 280mm Meshlicious
You would have to use a worse gpu and cpu to get less noise. Honestly tho, unless you're playing with all the graphics turned up and at 4k, all you need is a mid tier cpu and a 60 or 70 series gpu nowadays
Would love to see an XTU tutorial. Please include which series of Intel CPUs it will work with.
Jay could you do what to remove for windows that you don’t need?
I always appreciate the iFixit ads. They're the only ones I don't skip past.
ads help pay for stuff he uses in the videos… and salaries…
@@macking104 I know what ads are for. If they aren't enjoyable, I skip them.
Only the 3090 needed the ABP cause of the memory chips on the back. 3090Ti and 4090 do not have memory chips on the back!
Yeah and there's not much point trying to overcool mosfets because they're more efficient when they're hot anyway. Just don't let them overheat.
Something I'd like to PSA here is CB isn't great for stability testing. OCCT, y-cruncher, and Intel burn test are much better at finding fully stable clocks and voltages.
Imo, thoroughly worth the price of the loop because learning more about dis-plates and learning to drill your own connections "should" pay for itself later on if you really decide to get crazy!
Hey Jay great build, how about a video comparing msi lite load temp reductions vs the temp reductions from voltage tuning in xtu. On 13th gen I have found msi lite load 1 gives me a 10 degree drop in temps with no loss in performance or stability
Jay, the 3090ti did not have RAM on the backside. Only the 3090 did. The 3090 most certainly could use an active backplate. But not needed on a 3090ti
Wonna see an XTU Turtorial!
Watercooling in like 98% of cases is not practical. But it looks cool and as you pointed out, it keeps performance more stable.
Neat to have, Need to have. You are blowing my mind with your firey intellect!
XTU tutorial what be great! I have just built a 13700k system and have no experience with undervolting etc. I am using a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 se cooler and with Cinebench looping I am maxing out at around 94°c. I use my pc primarily for astrophotography image processing using software called Pixinsight which smashes the cpu with 100% load for extended periods of time and temps quickly reach 100°c and stay there. I need these temps down! 😬 Love watching your channel 👍👍
Air Coolers are cool
I love how the reservoir looks like it's glowing
For the fan speeds, you can wire up a water temperature sensor into your loop and then queue your fans off that temperature. That way it doesn’t matter which component is heating the water it will always spin up the fans to cool it. You also don’t get the fans spinning up for small spikes in activity because that usually doesn’t cause a noticeable difference in water temps so it’s quieter. Since in reality those fans main job is controlling the temperature of the water not of the pc components. The water/pump is responsible for the components.
If you’re gonna spend $1200 on a loop might as well get one.
I think premium gaming PCs are 100% completely neat to have. You could go down to a 4080, or a 30x0 GPU, you could go down to a 13600K you could go down to 12th gen. Same on the AMD side of things. At the absolute top of the range, it's just "because I wanted to." which is a completely valid reason. You don't HAVE to buy a new $100k SUV, but if you have the means and the want, there are plenty of options for you.
I’d love to see an XTU tutorial, I built a 12th gen i7 last year and wanted to adjust the voltages for optimal performance, power and reliability. I’m afraid to touch any of that stuff since I don’t really know what I’m doing, so can you help me out please Jay? I’d really appreciate that, thanks.
It is practical if it has a desired use. If that desired use was to build it for fun, it is practical.
An active backplate would mostly be effective on a GPU that has VRMs on both sides of the PCB like in most 3090 series cards, I myself am in the process of not only going with an active backplate but also doing a coppoer mod on the VRMs instead of thermal pads, just because the VRM temps on the Asus TUF RTX3090 OC card can get rediculously hot
If the m.2 slot Asus have shown off were to become a common feature that would be even more useful for the active back plate idea, especially with how hot gen5 drives can get. A 4090 gets nowhere near the saturation limits of gen4 and if gen5 was used for the next generation then lanes for ssds would not be a issue.
@@bionicgeekgrrl Not sure where you are getting the comparison with VRAM and NVME, GPU VRAM is a diferent archetecture and they mostly use DDR6 memory chips on their VRAM now a days. I have seen the temperatures on my 3090 VRAM reach upwards of 90°, making the GPU backplate quite a bit toasty and too hot to touch
@@bionicgeekgrrl Also note that I am refering to the 3090 that comes with VRAM chips on both sides of the card, the 4090 only has VRAM chips on the die side and not on the back
@@THORDOX Have you not seen the 4060Ti ASUS have shown off? they've put an m.2 slot on the back. The active backplate if such a thing was put on say a 5080 or 5090 if it used PCIe Gen5 would be a good use for cooling such a device, especially given the heat gen5 SSDs give off and the size of the heatsinks some need now which could interfere with the GPU. I was not talking about the VRAM at all if you re read my comment.
I appreciate the explanation in regards to different GPU cores and how it relates to temeperatures/power conspumtion as I was previously confounded by such a problem, being unable to determine why my GPU was underperforming (clock-wise) in more modern RTX games while power limited.
12:05 you forgot the 80 there. love your vids, keep it up guys 👍
I used to know what it was like with everyone being uncomfortable thanks to central AC and then I learned how to do zoned heating and cooling and now everyone is comfortable.
Great Video! You referenced an old video about what to do after you build a pc. Updates on that stuff are always helpful. Also, I wish more content creators did price point builds. 500/1k/1.k. It’d help people like me.😊
i still can't get over how pretty that build looks