We've had an efnote pro for over 6 months now. We setup & teardown all on Sunday and not in a large space (fits about 200-300) so doing an acoustic set would have been a LOT of work to get right every week. As the FOH mixer and not the drummer, I am very glad to have the separate channels. While it wasn't obvious to me at the time, that's a must have for me, granted I can't speak to every churches budget. I also appreciate that members of the congregation don't clearly see it as electric and it also allows the drummer be more engaged with the team and not in a box of isolation. One thing I still would love is the ability to load your own samples directly in to the kit. Maybe in an update one day, but not available yet.
I had the chance to play an EfNote kit a couple of years ago in a church that had one. It was a decent experience. Definitely still have to spend time dialing in sounds and making it feel good, but it was a good product.
I remember Roland V Drums being this good 10-15 years ago at a church I went to. Felt natural and the cymbals were great which was rare….. haven’t played a e kit any where near as good in years.
I'd love to hear what it sounds like in the room. My main problem with electronic drums is the rubber noise with each hit. When my church used one we still had to have a small shield to reduce that.
How often does any (contemporary) church still use an acoustic piano (for other than the shell to disguise the Nord) ? Keep in mind you can take existing digital drums and disguise them in acoustic shells pretty easily (and inexpensively) - I've converted 2 entire Yamaha kits into acoustic shells mainly because people listen with their eyes - hilarious how they comment on how great the "new" drums sound when it is exactly the same set re-skinned. I've had to go between acoustic/digital drums in the past and either way only takes about a verse/chorus of a song to re-calibrate my brain either way.
Good video. Clearly the church has a healthy budget, so you should be able to purchase a stand for the laptop. Maybe the chair is more comfortable for it. 😂
We are almost 2 months into our 703x use. While I love many aspects of this kit, cymbals are still my biggest complaint in the areas of feel, dynamics and even the plugs are coming out (although the clips are a nice touch, they are not doing the job). I am one of the drummers are our church and also one of the FOH audio volunteers. I think we are just scratching the surface of this kit's capabilities. Nice video. You beat us to a review of it :). Also, one of the big sellers for our use is the consistency gained each week despite having different drummers and FOH engineers.
That would be an interesting combo. Noisy cymbals though is one of the reasons we steered away from the DW kit. We have so,w more dialing in to do and it is a bit of technique and feel adjustments being made by us drummers. Confident we’ll get there. Also going to look at adding back our Roland TM-2 for some additional sounds. Glad you posted a review. There were plenty of video out on the EFNOTE pro but none specifically in the worship setting with feedback from worship folks.
Would also love to see this kit used in conjunction with some downloaded samples. Especially with the new Steven Slate drum trigger plugin, you could combine some samples and tones from the kit to really dial in the sound you wanted😎
@@matthewfrohbieter1803no you can’t, and these don’t stink. My church sold our DWe and went with efnote and they’ve been incredible. Get your drummer out of the fishbowl and let them engage the congregation.
We are looking into transitioning from an acoustic drum kit to an electric kit. My knowledge of electronic kits are minimal at best. We want to be able to adjust each drum separately from FOH.
Cymbal swells? Mallets? As contemporary worship music tends to have a lot of this, that would have been nice to see. I'm sure there's some type of setting for it, but nothing beats an acoustic kit. Still roughly the same cost as a full acoustic kit and brass. I haven't had a chance to play one of these, but the brass is always the achilles heel, especially the hats. Decent video.
I have a friend who bought that exact kit in black for his church and had the opportunity to play it. The cymbals, just like every e-kit, are trash. I hope the cymbal companies can make a solution that are like the silent practice cymbals with some sort of trigger or piezzo mic that give playing areas on each cymbal so that we can feel like we're playing real drums. It's like playing a guitar with rubber or plastic strings (and not in a good Spanish guitar nylon string way).
Look around at TH-cam channels 65 Drums and rdavidr drums, Zildjian is releasing an e Kit with their own metal e cymbals, looks like the best thing that has happened to e kits in a long time. That said, I still don’t think any e kit is going to fulfill all the hopes and dreams of worship drummers swells and cymbal needs.
You may have some set up issues with that kit or user error kinda stuff. The EFNOTE cymbals have 3 zones, 4 on the hi hat, all can be muted by grabbing it anywhere. True they don’t hit the same as a metal cymbal, they can produce sounds like a cymbal, a player needs to learn how to draw out the sound from his instrument. A technique to be learned
you can but a stage of the art acoustic drum kit with drum mics and drum enclosure for the same price. the only downside to that is you need a competent sound engineer to make it sound good which is never the case at local churches.
Im from the UK, here churches just involve the priest reading from the bible mixed with a few hymns. Seems american churches are basically a small musical show for entertainment.
@@YouGotOptions2 it’s still a black American church thing, doesn’t necessarily extend to the rest of the world. I live in SEAsia, played in how bands in the 90’s. Nothing like that here
Efnote came so close... BUT: 10:55 Those machine-gunny toms, man. How could they screw that up so bad? Same as Roland. Such a shame. I might consider something like this kit for our church - if it actually sounded the part. But it just falls short in a few areas where I’m like "COME on, EVERY drum VST gets this right!".
Yes I remember the miracle in the bible where jesus turned water into e-drums and allowed 500 people to play without the elevated noise levels associated with acoustic drums@@benjaminirizarry4753
Yes, its important to remember that jesus turned water into e-drums, allowing 500 people to practice at a greatly reduced noise level. @@benjaminirizarry4753
Useful review guys - thank you! If you're interested in knowing what is inside these Efnote drums under the heads that makes them trigger so well, I've done a video opening them up here if y'all are interested: th-cam.com/video/wMrFgE-TQaA/w-d-xo.html
We've had an efnote pro for over 6 months now. We setup & teardown all on Sunday and not in a large space (fits about 200-300) so doing an acoustic set would have been a LOT of work to get right every week. As the FOH mixer and not the drummer, I am very glad to have the separate channels. While it wasn't obvious to me at the time, that's a must have for me, granted I can't speak to every churches budget. I also appreciate that members of the congregation don't clearly see it as electric and it also allows the drummer be more engaged with the team and not in a box of isolation.
One thing I still would love is the ability to load your own samples directly in to the kit. Maybe in an update one day, but not available yet.
We also ended up with the 703. We added some additional cymbals to make it closer to a 703X and we love it. :)
I had the chance to play an EfNote kit a couple of years ago in a church that had one. It was a decent experience. Definitely still have to spend time dialing in sounds and making it feel good, but it was a good product.
I remember Roland V Drums being this good 10-15 years ago at a church I went to.
Felt natural and the cymbals were great which was rare….. haven’t played a e kit any where near as good in years.
The stage box is awesome. You can hide all the XLRs now down low. But Dante support would take the clean looks to the next level though...
Totally, I don't get why no one wants to implement Dante.
Would’ve loved to hear a cymbal
Swell and cymbal dynamics. That’s always such an Achilles heel for E-Kits. Thanks for the video !
I'd love to hear what it sounds like in the room. My main problem with electronic drums is the rubber noise with each hit. When my church used one we still had to have a small shield to reduce that.
You don’t ever need to hit the pad loud enough that the band can hear it over the music
Hey Jake! If you guys haven’t looked at them, pork pie drum thrones are SO comfortable and built like tanks. 100% recommend
You guys knocked it out of the park… well done!
great info, the demo at the end had the cymbals cranked way too high though. Thanks for posting ! very helpful
How often does any (contemporary) church still use an acoustic piano (for other than the shell to disguise the Nord) ?
Keep in mind you can take existing digital drums and disguise them in acoustic shells pretty easily (and inexpensively) - I've converted 2 entire Yamaha kits into acoustic shells mainly because people listen with their eyes - hilarious how they comment on how great the "new" drums sound when it is exactly the same set re-skinned.
I've had to go between acoustic/digital drums in the past and either way only takes about a verse/chorus of a song to re-calibrate my brain either way.
The Kit is really amazing!
I’ve been looking forward to this!
Good video. Clearly the church has a healthy budget, so you should be able to purchase a stand for the laptop. Maybe the chair is more comfortable for it. 😂
We are almost 2 months into our 703x use. While I love many aspects of this kit, cymbals are still my biggest complaint in the areas of feel, dynamics and even the plugs are coming out (although the clips are a nice touch, they are not doing the job). I am one of the drummers are our church and also one of the FOH audio volunteers. I think we are just scratching the surface of this kit's capabilities. Nice video. You beat us to a review of it :). Also, one of the big sellers for our use is the consistency gained each week despite having different drummers and FOH engineers.
It would be cool to try some field cymbals on this kit. Although they are a bit noisier.
That would be an interesting combo. Noisy cymbals though is one of the reasons we steered away from the DW kit. We have so,w more dialing in to do and it is a bit of technique and feel adjustments being made by us drummers. Confident we’ll get there. Also going to look at adding back our Roland TM-2 for some additional sounds. Glad you posted a review. There were plenty of video out on the EFNOTE pro but none specifically in the worship setting with feedback from worship folks.
Would also love to see this kit used in conjunction with some downloaded samples. Especially with the new Steven Slate drum trigger plugin, you could combine some samples and tones from the kit to really dial in the sound you wanted😎
Around 7--8k
I’m going to be loud and make people suffer for that level of expense. 😂
You can get a drum enclosure, drum mics, drum kit, drum hardware, cymbals all in that range. E-Kits stink.
@@matthewfrohbieter1803no you can’t, and these don’t stink. My church sold our DWe and went with efnote and they’ve been incredible. Get your drummer out of the fishbowl and let them engage the congregation.
@@listener84 i am the drummer. I have put together a superior set up to an E-Kit for less money. I’d much rather be caged than play an E-Kit.
@@matthewfrohbieter1803 good, looking forward to hearing what you think about them after you try them instead of before.
“I have tried them.”
No. 😂
We are looking into transitioning from an acoustic drum kit to an electric kit. My knowledge of electronic kits are minimal at best. We want to be able to adjust each drum separately from FOH.
Yes you can do that with these kits. Reach out to Erik linked below video and he can chat more about getting a kit for you guys.
is there a raw sound level of the drums being played? aka.how does it sound to the person standing next to it
Very quiet pads, quieter than the Roland 27kv2
Cymbal swells? Mallets? As contemporary worship music tends to have a lot of this, that would have been nice to see. I'm sure there's some type of setting for it, but nothing beats an acoustic kit. Still roughly the same cost as a full acoustic kit and brass. I haven't had a chance to play one of these, but the brass is always the achilles heel, especially the hats. Decent video.
I have a friend who bought that exact kit in black for his church and had the opportunity to play it. The cymbals, just like every e-kit, are trash. I hope the cymbal companies can make a solution that are like the silent practice cymbals with some sort of trigger or piezzo mic that give playing areas on each cymbal so that we can feel like we're playing real drums. It's like playing a guitar with rubber or plastic strings (and not in a good Spanish guitar nylon string way).
This kit isn’t sold in black yet… there is a 703X coming soon that will be black but this module hasn’t been sold with the black 703 yet.
Look around at TH-cam channels 65 Drums and rdavidr drums, Zildjian is releasing an e Kit with their own metal e cymbals, looks like the best thing that has happened to e kits in a long time. That said, I still don’t think any e kit is going to fulfill all the hopes and dreams of worship drummers swells and cymbal needs.
You may have some set up issues with that kit or user error kinda stuff. The EFNOTE cymbals have 3 zones, 4 on the hi hat, all can be muted by grabbing it anywhere. True they don’t hit the same as a metal cymbal, they can produce sounds like a cymbal, a player needs to learn how to draw out the sound from his instrument. A technique to be learned
Hmm, Electric vs Electonic? Is there any MusicTech English teacher here? Just tickled and curious.
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you can but a stage of the art acoustic drum kit with drum mics and drum enclosure for the same price. the only downside to that is you need a competent sound engineer to make it sound good which is never the case at local churches.
Im from the UK, here churches just involve the priest reading from the bible mixed with a few hymns. Seems american churches are basically a small musical show for entertainment.
The Black American gospel church is thee premiere musical institution in the country and by extension the world.
@@YouGotOptions2 it’s still a black American church thing, doesn’t necessarily extend to the rest of the world. I live in SEAsia, played in how bands in the 90’s. Nothing like that here
What does crescendo sound like on this kit?
How about a review on the new Zildjian kit?
have you seen the price though? it doesn't make much since for a church
Edit: this one cost more lol
I think the Zildjian kit is like around 6000?
I'm sure it's good option if stage noise is a problem, but it doesn't sound very good to me. Sounds like an electric drum set. Especially the toms.
Not my taste but I like that you like it.
Efnote came so close... BUT: 10:55 Those machine-gunny toms, man. How could they screw that up so bad? Same as Roland. Such a shame. I might consider something like this kit for our church - if it actually sounded the part. But it just falls short in a few areas where I’m like "COME on, EVERY drum VST gets this right!".
Didn’t hear a problem at 10:55 ish. It sounds like smooth even Tom hits…
...and then there will still be triggers in the DAW mix... [for legal purposes, this is a joke]
played this kit at namm this year and was not impressed. roland’s are still WAYYY better.
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Drummers, you've been released from the plexiglass cage.
Demo would be much better with kick and snare up, cymbals down, and the rest of the band there….
Hey drummers can you just play with dynamics and to the room? Cool thanks 🤝🏼🖤
How many poor people could have been fed with that money?
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Yes I remember the miracle in the bible where jesus turned water into e-drums and allowed 500 people to play without the elevated noise levels associated with acoustic drums@@benjaminirizarry4753
Yes, its important to remember that jesus turned water into e-drums, allowing 500 people to practice at a greatly reduced noise level. @@benjaminirizarry4753
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Useful review guys - thank you! If you're interested in knowing what is inside these Efnote drums under the heads that makes them trigger so well, I've done a video opening them up here if y'all are interested: th-cam.com/video/wMrFgE-TQaA/w-d-xo.html
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