IMPORTANT: LAN Events have been confirmed 1 hour before I planned on posting this video (of course LOL). 1st LAN Hangzhou, China - 2nd LAN Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - 3rd LAN Stockholm, Sweden. This also means Chinese OW is confirmed and that the 3rd LAN is the only one I got incorrect! I honestly wish I was incorrect about #2, this is a really bad look for Overwatch. UPDATE #2: 2 Teams will qualify per region. 2 NA, 2 EMEA, 2 China, 2 Asia
Also, because LAN #2 will be held in Saudi Arabia, I will not be Co-Streaming the event or making videos on the event. I will not endorse the decision or profit from it by any means, it is a disgrace to the OW community.
@@Ocie_eSports Alot of esports has been feeding off of Oil Baron money recently, its just another attempt by them to try and hide their horrible issues with fake PR
Tbf to overwatch, I think the no same class ban clause is to prevent people to just outright removing a good chunk of support/tank from play. Thats what I think at least. But yeah, this made its extra meta gamey
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong It provents the devs from getting down from there coping of course we know what heros woud get banned in a normel setting and they dont want there bad balanceing to be shown thats all thats to it . This ban system is pure trash and basicly now if you dont play every tank in the game you are usless as a player and will be droped . The non hardcore viewers dont care about the highest level they want to see there favorit player or favorit hero beeing played on the highest level . OWCS is a for fun league for a small viewer base they have to stop make it even more for a even smaller viewer base that care only about basicly Valcons or Crazy Racoons in the end becouse no body els basicly plays everything
You basicly just ban genji tracer out and there is nothing Falcon can do against Lip 😂 . They took bans made it worse just to protect the support role again from getting perma banned heros 😂😂😂😂
Yes, my opinion is very different than most. I like watching the highest level of execution but understand that isn't what the average viewer necessarily wants.
@@Ocie_eSports completely understable, tbh I do like that too, but only if it is something fun to watch (for example the chaotic nature of Hazard is super fun to watch....then something like Mauga)
@@Ocie_eSportsBut thats no what the casual cares about at all and thats why the OWCS has basicly no growth potantial at all for a non competitve viewer base they dont care aabout the highest competiton and more if there favorit player or a hero they play them selfs get played in the OWCS . This hero ban system also is just made to prodect the support role again becouse we know what woud get banned out every singel time . The fact that Hardi can basicly and other tanks that dont play everything can now basicly retire .
@@Ocie_eSports "Highest level execution" my ass. The only ones who EVER even attempted to follow this mindset were Koreans and how they basically only play dive with some minor tweaks for years. And I largely believe that is due to Koreans acknowledging that it is probably the most fun meta and very flexible as long as you grind it hard enough. NA professional meta gaming ( and honestly most of the rest of the world) does not believe in fun. So you HAVE to force it sometimes. Picks/bans/drafts whatever are a necessary evil. Because people always try to optimize the fun out of stuff.
You do realize Korea were the first to play the Mauga meta and introduce it during both Dallas and Stockholm LANs right? They don't just play dive, they just play the composition that they think is strongest.
The fact that Saudi Arabia has such a strangle hold over ow competetive is quite upsetting to see, and with this year having one of the LANs take place in Saudi Im honestly worried if it'll affect the game itself. OW is a VERY gay ass game so I wonder what will happen with saudi being more prominant next year.
It isn't just OW, the Saudi Crown Prince loves Video Games so he decided to create the Esports World Cup and then RSA also got the ESports Olympics. They already tried to poach the European LoL League to play their finals in NEOM where thankfully the broadcast talent and many more publicly criticized it so Riot abandoned the idea. Saudi Arabia is throwing insane amounts of money For reference T1 received 445k USD for winning worlds, but 1.25 Million USD for winning the LoL portion of the Esports World Cup which is nearly 3 times that Dota2 is probably the only game where the Prize Pool at the International event TI is bigger than at that game's portion at the Esports World Cup
All your guys’ concerns are 100% valid, for now. I’m reading all this and I’m seeing a concerning trend brewing that’s happening with Jews in the Israel vs Palestine thing. It’s gonna go in a nasty direction
I'm still upset about them giving cat skins only to girls....... like wtf was that about. And not even just to cutesy girls like diva and Juno who actually had personality for it, but any women they felt like giving a skin to instead. So the message was, if u are a woman, u are suitable for a cutesy cat skin, but any male characters are too manly for it ig? Just appalling (I'm not sure bow they feel about venture, like if they would be suitable for such skin or not)
I don't mean to come off as defeatist or anything but man it stinks how little OW content is on YT now... thank you Ocie for bringing water to the thirsty
Damn, the Saudi news hit me in the gut. I'm a bi girl considering going pro, so it's already bad enough for me, but I've competed in CAH and just thinking about how some of the trans people I've met there would have to feel about that. It's so sad to see how this country is consuming more and more of the pro OW scene. I have thoughts on other things you mentioned as well, but that really killed all interest in discussing that right now. Well, maybe I can tell myself I wouldn't be in the financial situation to go pro anyway, lol. And who knows, maybe things will change for the better with time, when it would actually be relevant to me, but right now the trend is quite clear. Well, you asked for something positive, so I'll do it anyway: Really hoping for CR skins, I feel like my team is the only EU team rooting for them every time (we may or may not play a little bit of Ball ourselves, and I may or may not be a big Lip fan as a hitscan player). It's also going to be fun being able to catch more of their matches, and the tournament structure seems good.
Don't give up! I'm with you, and I hope you continue to compete, even if you never make it to the top. I know the news is awful, but also, if more women and trans players make it to the top, they'll have to reconsider Saudi Arabia in the future. You're on the front lines and I only have respect for that, keep up the good work ^_^
Thank u for putting information and pictures on screen illustrating what u were saying, and it was nicely done too. My brain can't comprehend a sentence with numbers in it unless I'm seeing it in front of my face XD it was really really nice to have a "title" and a summary for what is being discussed on screen all the time, like an accommodation for my adhd
I may be in the minority here, but along with the bans being after roster is selected, I think the lower seated team should get first ban to give them a chance against the probably better team, I dunno, feels a little sided towards the team that'll have a better chance at winning anyways :T
I think you should be rewarded for being higher seed and winning earlier on otherwise the best situation would be to qualify for a tournament in last place and try to throw just enough to get there
I think that's the point, and that's only first map. Remember that after Map 1, if the lower seed team loses, they get to pick both the map and hero ban. The higher seeded team should be rewarded for their good performance and we shouldn't just take that earned 1st map advantage away from them.
@@Ocie_eSports oh! I must have misheard the video, I thought you said winner of first map gets to pick hero bans, if loser gets to pick map 2 hero bans then I change my mind entirely, in the case that the winner picks hero bans then it's completely unfair due to a snowball, but if it's loser picks than yeah the higher seat should get the fruits of their labor with first ban, sorry bout that.
Know that you are probably in the minority to think that. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's the ideal system either, but it worked, and that was tested 3 times already and proven so.
2 slots for Asia again, and my country(Korea) has to step on our Asian counterparts to qualify. I actually think Blizzard worries the OW scene will become like LOL, where East Asia dominate the scene to the point western viewership suffers. But man, is it quite unfair.
Asia definitely deserves 3 slots, and they need to revert the WDG Korea LAN so Japan and Pacific can fly some teams down to compete. Super dissapointing they changed things for the worse and didn't add T2 for Korea or anywhere else.
@@Ocie_eSports I have no proof of that, but I think that it's WDG that has no interest in doing that (at least not how face it does it ATM) For the regions, yeah I feel like they really want to avoid the KR hegemony by forcing their talent to be import, raising the overall level little by little. Especially Japan which somehow has a big viewership in the region. Ideally over time, id like to have a KR, CN, Japan, Pacific region. Which with na and EMEA brings us to 12 teams in 3 brackets. But I don't see that happen before OW becomes a tier 1 eSports again and can host their own event, cause right now they are limited with the time they can spend on each event (just look at how abruptly Stockholm ended)
I feel like it would be better if the bans happened before the roster was selected, as it is right now it feels kinda like just a higher level of counterswapping, but if it was before it might make it more difficult for teams to mess up specialists
Your point at 4:30 is both a great insight and a super important thing to remember; teams are playing to win, not neccisarily to have fun. Banning the OP pick of the patch also bans said pick for YOUR team too, and if you guys have scrimmed every game with a mauga, you probably don't want to go banning it. Unrelated to that, I think the whole "if you ban a champ then the rest of the role can't be banned", is actually really interesting but won't be good from a broadcasting perspective. Its a very interesting metagame balancing whether you want to ban a specific hero or to protect an entire role, BUT i don't think that the extra metagame is intuitive or very interesting to watch for the vast majority of viewers. Maybe a more simplified system of banning a single hero and then protecting a single hero would be better an a lot more intuitive for viewers. Great video
Another great vid Ocie loving your constant contribution to the community ❤ - I think the 2025 season is going to be extremely comparable in terms of viewer experience and community to OWL which is extremely exciting, one of the best factors among all of this change is the communication and open-mindedness that OWCS staff are showcasing going forward, as opposed to being silent and refusing any input. On note about Riyadh, it is a huge shame as the EWC was extremely entertaining Overwatch, and the LAN event itself looked really well organised and streamlined, a fun experience to be had, however with such laws and culture it can be really restricting for many groups despite being a great country besides that, with great ability to setup and run esports events, and clearly with the budget to do so. These events should be set up not only for viewership and fan experience, but for player experience as well, and launching one in Riyadh is a money move more than a move for either players or fans, which as unfortunate as it is, is understandable as at the end of the day the OWCS is a business that sells esports entertainment.
10:37 why not combine all 6 by category? Either a 2-2-2 with Control/Clash, Escort/Hybrid, and Push/Flash, or rather a 3-3 with Control/Flash/Clash and Push/Hybrid/Escort, considering the 3-3 would still give each role a category specific to what type of gamemode it is (Capture Point vs Cart/Bot Movement), and if that's too short a pool, you can use the 2-2-2 to give less of the consolidated categories (although still being somewhat together, Flipping Points, Cart/Push, and then just an Etc category) but more of a pool to pick from. Is it based solely off map number?
Something that might make the game look more fun and make it so teams don't just take the mauga mirror, and force some potentially really weird comps at times. Is to make it match wide hero limits. Would it be good? Who knows. Would they try it? Unlikely. Though I defiantly didn't think hero bans would become a thing some years ago, but I guess a lots changed now.
Not having NRG in the partner program is the most r******d thing I've ever seen and there's no amout of convincing or defending to change the absolute fact that the most well established team didn't get in but a team of literal nobodies with the combined entertainment of watching paint dry
I think on the other side of things though, I'd rather players actually get paid real, reasonable wages. If Team Liquid, C9, or even SSG are willing to pay players and staff more, I feel that's better than the pure brand value of NRG. That also comes from someone who has participated in the scene and seen how low salaries are, so I sympathize with players who put in insane hours just to get minimum wage or even lower.
I agree that NRG was the correct choice if they were willing to put the money down, but I'm not confident that they were. There were probably also internal discussions regarding what NRG were willing to pay their players and what they were investing, that likely made the difference.
Looking at the annoying rage bait comments on the last vid and see you JUST posted a new video, neat. (also team skins are interesting.... maybe theyll bring back mvp skins, Sugarfree Genji skin?)
I might do something talking about the new rosters, might bring that to the 2nd channel since that's a more niche topic that only more involved fans will be interested in!
Thank you for being thorough and transparent with the more controversial topics in the video, mis-information/communication is a very influential and weird thing to have to deal with. sadly it is what it is.
I tried to plainly state the potential positives and negatives without really taking a side (except with the Saudi LAN). With topics like hero bans, I want to see how they play out throughout Stage 1, and then revisit them to see how well they worked and what the issues might have been. I think that's the fairest way of looking at things like that.
Idk man, unless you have an inside perspective, I think that's just unnecessarily pessimistic. Ocie even said that it would slow down the schedule, which is a big potential hit on their profits
@AmbrGlw unfortunately i have no such perspective. I am willing to accept being a pessimist here, i have little to no faith left to give to this studio.
As someone who never played 6v6 until the play test this season, do you think hero bans would work better in a 6v6 setting or a 5v5 setting! The banning system just looks like a big finger to tanks imo 😭😂
I dont like how limited the map pool is, not even giving a team like Toronto Defiant the option to pick Gibraltar is a factor that hinders the team from the get go. Should have gone with a system like CS map pick system
hero bans like siege would be good in overwatch. it will be a diverse experience every game and plus the meta will constantly change with buffs and nerfs due to 6 hero’s being banned though out the game
I feel like with the addition of china once again could be a partner but based on the other teams it would have to be because owcs just wanted a chinese partner
Also what if teams did a draft system to pick what maps they are willing to play on for the season? The next season those maps gain immunity and no mode can have less than 2 or something idk
If adding hero bans is what keeps OCS alive then I'm all for it, even if it leads to lower level games at least at the start as teams get used to it. I just hope peoples main takeaway from this isn't just "oh OW is just copying Marvel Rivals, game bad". OW has really been the only hero shooter on the market especially recently so having competent competition (sorry paladins) should lead to the betterment of both games.
I'm no lawyer but I would imagine hero bans being implemented is desirable both for any of the franchise teams in the league and for Blizzard. Whatever effect the most recent balance patch has leading into league competition could influence the outcome given the preferences for each team. So hero bans might absolve Blizzard's development team of any liability in regards to potential accusations of favoritism or fixing.
Blizzard is so reluctant to change that when they're forced to do something because the competition is catching up, they go "you know that thing you wanted snd have been asking for? Well here is an overtly complicated thing that is similar to what you asked, but not exactly"
Yes, that's why the team that bans first has the advantage. You only get 1st ban if you lose the previous map, or if it's 1st map and you are the higher seeded team. It gives the losing team an advantage and makes it easier for them to come back against a stronger opponent.
It's interesting to me that Overwatch has been introducing a lot of things Paladins had and has. Like the 5v5 format, the passives and now this. It's likely a kind of convergent evolution as their devices are trying to solve similar issues.
@@Ocie_eSports Thank you I misunderstood that. Still it's interesting, on the other side Paladins has also gradually made some changes that made it play a bit more like Overwatch so I find it fun to think about.
I understand why they don't have the main broadcast talent for swiss, but they need to have some sponsored co-streams or host some streamers. Also it will be criminal if the broadcast doesn't have sponsors this year. We need money in order for this thing to run and for some reason we keep pretending we will just find a chest of gold in someone's grandmother's basement.
Higher seed getting 1st ban for 1st map makes sense, they should be rewarded for staying in the upper bracket. The losing team after 1st map gets the 1st ban, so the other team has plenty of chances after 1st map. With the bans based on players, I partially agree, I'm waiting to see how it plays out, but it's a huge problem for specialists for sure.
@@Ocie_eSports if you’re a higher seed it should mean your team is better, so the worse team being able to ban a hero first makes sense to me while the higher seed bans for map. It gives the worse team a better chance especially thinking about what you said with banning Lifeweaver to avoid having your Kiriko or Luico banned
But....the worse team should be rewarded for qualifying for playoffs at a lower seed. Then a top team might throw a match on purpose to get 1st pick in playoffs. I know what you're getting at but trust me it does NOT play out how you think it will. The lower seeded teams should have won their regular season matches if they wanted first ban. No reason to reward playing poorly.
I am honestly very sceptical that the hero ban system will had much diversity on the long run. Heroes that are very good in very specific circumstances, such as on certain map, certain team comps or against certain heroes will probably completely fade out of the meta, making the overall hero pool smaller, and the uncertainty the system brings will probably incentivise the players to train a pool of more generalist heroes they are already experienced on, rather than trying out out there stuffs, which may slow down meta development a lot. If you already have to invest most of your time to train on 6 tanks instead of 3 or 4 for the older metas, you will very likely not waste any more time practicing the rest of the tank roster. Basically heroes such as doomfist, Ball, Rein, Zarya, Junkerqueen, Pharah, Symmetra, Sombra, Soldier, Torbjorn, Echo, Mercy, Illari, Lifeweaver and zen are at risk as completely vanishing from competitive play in favor of the usual meta heroes because they will get ban in situations that will be too much in their favour and are rarely viable outside of them. I don't really understand why this system gets implemented now, beside the Juno meta we have seen very diverse and map specific comps lately and the heroes favoured by the ban system are the generalists that were already very prevalent in the current meta. While this system might have made sense during goats or double shield, in the current meta it feels anachronistic to me
I GREATLY prefer larger map pools. Does any viewer prefer EVERY first map being the same for an entire tournament? I get that more maps leads to mismatches in practice time. 2 teams can have practiced entirely different map pools potentially increasing one-sided games, but I would prefer 10 unique one-sided games, to 10 close illios games. Even that is conceding that it WOULD lead to stomps, it could even diversify strategies as teams need to develop an overall style and not min/max each map.
not sure if anyone has said anything yet but theres some weird moments with your audio equalization at a couple points, particularly when you were talking about stages
My major worry hear is that this will actually LIMIT hero diversity, Like you stated specific comps like the Rein comp or JQ comp that are meta defying and created to counter the meta go away. Or are at least less viable. Too me that stuff and specialists are what I enjoy watching personally.
It's a bit disappointing there's no LAN event in the US for next season because I'd really like to go to one. But a LAN event in Saudi Arabia is SO disappointing. What a horrible decision.
Hero bans are good for disrupting stale metas, but also the same thing against nuanced metas that utilise otherwise-unusable heroes and strategies. But it’s worth a try for sure.
Hero bans also give statistics for not broken but disliked heros. Its like clash is rainbow six siege. She wasnt broken but was always banned because she was unfun to fight against. The ban stats gave the devs hard data to work with to justify a rebalance.
Overwatch could have easily implemented a simple 2-2 hero ban system at the start of each map, similar to other games that use this mechanic effectively. Regarding the idea of punishing teams that rely heavily on specific heroes or strategies, I believe that if you're in the professional scene, you should have the versatility to adapt. For example, DPS players in the pro scene should have a solid understanding of every DPS hero on the roster and be able to perform proficiently with any of them when needed. In my opinion, a hero ban system not only separates the truly skilled and adaptable players from those relying on a limited hero pool but also gives flexible teams the recognition they deserve. It could reward creativity and highlight teams willing to think outside the box rather than sticking rigidly to what's meta.
I personally think this is a good implement to the game IN A PRO ENVIRONMENT but now my question is now that they made this true in pro play they are going to make it in base game? Personally i think they should but obv is not going to work the same way because it cant i hope this become true in base game
Local Area Network Events. Basically the teams plays against eachother on the same network on a big stage infront of hundres and sometimes thousands of players (and if we count the live viewers from Twitch or TH-cam that number can even reach in the millions). They also get to play on PCs that isn't theirs to prevent cheating and stuff.
25:32 Local Saudi from Riyadh, yes, you are correct. Also, lets have things like cheap things in the grocery stores before hosting these things when can not even be good hosts. So much for "good hospitality" social values lmao.
It might just be me but, after having 6v6 qp added shouldn't they add a 6v6 mode sperate from 5v5 comp like open que, and if they do add 6v6 comp they should change the heroes' utility to as it were when 6v6 was the default mode and also looking at how the new supports affect the old version of ow2?
Yayy more video to watch from probably actually my favorite content creator. You are the only one I care for now a days, and your stuff is like well put together. And also I watched a video from 6 months ago I think, and your voice has come a long way. You are the coolest of beans
Wait, I'm very stupid so just to clarify? Is it actually confirmed that EWC and the midseason tournament are going to be the same thing? Or is it just a case that both are running consecutively/parallel in Riyadh. Obv either though means that like you said, players have to choose between being arrested and deported for existing, or having a career.
I'm not sure if details are out yet but it's looking like it will just be EWC. We will get more information in the future, but yeah....Sorry, the announcement came out just as I was prepping to post the video so I didn't have team to read through much!
@@Ocie_eSports No worries. I think best case scenario we can hope for is likely that EWC and the midseason are separate, but both are held in Riyadh for convenience/money/both ETC. At least then there's still separation between the OWCS scene and EWC. Either way, I'm the same as you. I won't be watching or supporting it, the most I'll be doing is just checking results, and then I can go back to my EU tournament in Sweden again. In an ideal world, the fact that the tournament is in Riyadh might mean it gets a far lower turnout + more backlash than the others, incentivizing Blizz to try to distance themselves after this year, but unfortunately I think Saudi will just keep throwing money at the wall until it sticks.
@ tbh w u bro, I didn’t watch the whole thing and I’m not trynna call it a copy, I saw hero bans and found it ironic how a ton of the ow community called rivals a copy cats and now they are finally introducing bans, srry if I’ve got the wrong idea lol
This ban system (a near identical version) was used by a major OW tournament before Rivals even announced bans. Overwatch using bans exactly like this in eSports pre-dates Rivals' bans.
They never took it away, they just decided to add it to this main tournament circuit because they found it to be successful. It was used only 6 months ago in the Saudi sponsored event. It was also used 1 month ago in a WDG+Soop Korea event.
Is it even possible for people who publicly hold an identity that is infringed upon by SA government to travel to the event if they (and yes I know this is horrible and not possible for some people) hide it or don’t show it while they are in the country? Again, an awful thing to consider, but I’m wondering if it’s even an option? Or is it that if you’re public on social media (for example) about your identity you just can’t go because it’s widely accessible public knowledge and that can be used against you
For certain people it's more dangerous than others. For people of different sexualities, the best thing you can do is never tell anyone during your trip about your sexuality and never stay in a hotel room with someone in a way that might look suspicious. You might also want a burner phone if your main phone has pictures of a relationship that could be perceived as gay or queer. For trans people you are basically screwed. You need to act as the gender on your official identification. For trans people that have changed their official gender, this may be very difficult if they do not pass well. This could end with them being deported or worse. For me, I haven't been able to change my legal gender yet, so I'd need to 'pretend' to be a man and dress that way. That is a bit of a problem though because for many trans people, biology kinda changes due to meds....so you need to wear certain under-clothing that, if you are caught wearing (even in a security pat down) could get you in trouble. Also, for high profile players and content creators (I am a good example) social media presence puts you at risk. It would be easier to go undercover as a fan than keep down low as a creator or player. I've had people tell me I'd probably die if I went to Saudi (LOL) although my guess is that I'd most likely end up deported. It's a tough subject and VERY messy.
@ I’m really sorry about that :( I know you’ve mentioned working on your voice (which is great btw!) so I’m guessing if you went to SA you’d have to stop doing that as well… so messy like you said, I hope you and others are still able to work through this part of the season
Its an actual skill that Blizzard has with taking very simple concepts and making them absolutely convoluted and terrible. Example: the hide and seek Genji/Kiriko thing, they made it so the defenders could melee the attackers? Wtaf? Now they make hero bans, a very simple concept and just make it super irritating dlfor the audience and players. Nice job
With the way they are doing bans I think it’s a mistake. You should have to ban before rosters are set for the match. Then it has risk and reward rather than just reward. Otherwise I like the idea
Kind of a shame about Riyadh It is a genuine barrier for a lot competitors and just as importantly staff. And also, with the other locations being Hangzhou and Stockholm, I daresay that NA deserves the third international. Honolulu, Anaheim or Toronto could all work fine.
High Level Overwatch does not means 3-0WCS. People sick of that 3-0WCS. Your negativity possibly affect positive on viewers side. That's my opinion tho.
I'm not sure, I would say that is 50/50. I know for SA especially it's life changing money (even if I disagree with the morals of the event) so I hope SA gets a slot. SA deserve the oil money more than anymore else LOL
Ew I hate hero bans but it would fix the falcons/c.raccoon match last season where they lost bc they weren’t so good on the mauga and ran out of non mauga maps
IMPORTANT: LAN Events have been confirmed 1 hour before I planned on posting this video (of course LOL). 1st LAN Hangzhou, China - 2nd LAN Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - 3rd LAN Stockholm, Sweden. This also means Chinese OW is confirmed and that the 3rd LAN is the only one I got incorrect! I honestly wish I was incorrect about #2, this is a really bad look for Overwatch.
UPDATE #2: 2 Teams will qualify per region. 2 NA, 2 EMEA, 2 China, 2 Asia
@@artilire Its not about EMEA, its about Saudi Arabia’s government & culture, watch 24:31
Watch to the end of the video where I discuss LAN #2. It is a very, very bad look.
Also, because LAN #2 will be held in Saudi Arabia, I will not be Co-Streaming the event or making videos on the event. I will not endorse the decision or profit from it by any means, it is a disgrace to the OW community.
@@Ocie_eSports Alot of esports has been feeding off of Oil Baron money recently, its just another attempt by them to try and hide their horrible issues with fake PR
@@artilire change. educate yourself.
Even something as basic as hero bans, Overwatch managed to make it the most convoluted and meta-gamey one I've ever seen.
Tbf banning is basically discouraging counter swapping. it would take away a big part of ow but tf do Ik
Tbf to overwatch, I think the no same class ban clause is to prevent people to just outright removing a good chunk of support/tank from play. Thats what I think at least. But yeah, this made its extra meta gamey
Karma they litterly stole that from marvel rivals 😂 (i only play overwatch 2)
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong It provents the devs from getting down from there coping of course we know what heros woud get banned in a normel setting and they dont want there bad balanceing to be shown thats all thats to it . This ban system is pure trash and basicly now if you dont play every tank in the game you are usless as a player and will be droped . The non hardcore viewers dont care about the highest level they want to see there favorit player or favorit hero beeing played on the highest level . OWCS is a for fun league for a small viewer base they have to stop make it even more for a even smaller viewer base that care only about basicly Valcons or Crazy Racoons in the end becouse no body els basicly plays everything
Did Marvel Rivals steal it from R6 Siege then
to simply answer the question before even watching the video:
Crazy Raccoons win everything
Cant wait for more Junballin
You basicly just ban genji tracer out and there is nothing Falcon can do against Lip 😂 . They took bans made it worse just to protect the support role again from getting perma banned heros 😂😂😂😂
No more junballin… i think they will just perma ban ball for them on ruins
@@raudie007I mean, Illios isn't even in the map pool to start with so ... XD
@@nekogami87 ohhh youre right! Shit.
this might be a hot take, but I as a viewer would rather see an entertaining series than a "perfect overwatch"
Yes, my opinion is very different than most. I like watching the highest level of execution but understand that isn't what the average viewer necessarily wants.
@@Ocie_eSports completely understable, tbh I do like that too, but only if it is something fun to watch (for example the chaotic nature of Hazard is super fun to watch....then something like Mauga)
@@Ocie_eSportsBut thats no what the casual cares about at all and thats why the OWCS has basicly no growth potantial at all for a non competitve viewer base they dont care aabout the highest competiton and more if there favorit player or a hero they play them selfs get played in the OWCS . This hero ban system also is just made to prodect the support role again becouse we know what woud get banned out every singel time . The fact that Hardi can basicly and other tanks that dont play everything can now basicly retire .
@@Ocie_eSports
"Highest level execution" my ass.
The only ones who EVER even attempted to follow this mindset were Koreans and how they basically only play dive with some minor tweaks for years. And I largely believe that is due to Koreans acknowledging that it is probably the most fun meta and very flexible as long as you grind it hard enough.
NA professional meta gaming ( and honestly most of the rest of the world) does not believe in fun. So you HAVE to force it sometimes.
Picks/bans/drafts whatever are a necessary evil. Because people always try to optimize the fun out of stuff.
You do realize Korea were the first to play the Mauga meta and introduce it during both Dallas and Stockholm LANs right? They don't just play dive, they just play the composition that they think is strongest.
The fact that Saudi Arabia has such a strangle hold over ow competetive is quite upsetting to see, and with this year having one of the LANs take place in Saudi Im honestly worried if it'll affect the game itself. OW is a VERY gay ass game so I wonder what will happen with saudi being more prominant next year.
I was hoping with Microsoft buying blizzard they'd have interest in funding esports but doesn't seem like that's ever going to happen
@@startedtech Thats a very fair point, i think the only thing that microsoft has done for ow is the gamepass stuff which is a shame
It isn't just OW, the Saudi Crown Prince loves Video Games so he decided to create the Esports World Cup and then RSA also got the ESports Olympics. They already tried to poach the European LoL League to play their finals in NEOM where thankfully the broadcast talent and many more publicly criticized it so Riot abandoned the idea.
Saudi Arabia is throwing insane amounts of money
For reference T1 received 445k USD for winning worlds, but 1.25 Million USD for winning the LoL portion of the Esports World Cup which is nearly 3 times that
Dota2 is probably the only game where the Prize Pool at the International event TI is bigger than at that game's portion at the Esports World Cup
All your guys’ concerns are 100% valid, for now. I’m reading all this and I’m seeing a concerning trend brewing that’s happening with Jews in the Israel vs Palestine thing. It’s gonna go in a nasty direction
I'm still upset about them giving cat skins only to girls....... like wtf was that about. And not even just to cutesy girls like diva and Juno who actually had personality for it, but any women they felt like giving a skin to instead. So the message was, if u are a woman, u are suitable for a cutesy cat skin, but any male characters are too manly for it ig? Just appalling
(I'm not sure bow they feel about venture, like if they would be suitable for such skin or not)
Idk why they made banning so needlessly complicated. Just give them 2 bans each and 1 protect. Would that really be so bad?
Just copy marvel rivals It is easy.
@colinwhite-o6qTheir pride is too great to copy them sadly.
@@Voids19bruh is not perfect for banning because how desperate balance they was if it overwatch 1 is good having banning system than overbalancing
They really managed to overcomplicate an already figured out and frequently used system....😂
Only in OW
I don't mean to come off as defeatist or anything but man it stinks how little OW content is on YT now... thank you Ocie for bringing water to the thirsty
Ocie is unique in that they are uploading OW esports content. that was rare even when OWL was at its peak
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@@Ghajestis my fault
Marvel rivals
Another great vid❤
RIP MIKU FAN CLUB :(
Why?
@ frogger is a lucio one trick and hero bans kinda cook him for at least one map guaranteed
@owenclark9731 ahh shit that makes sense, thanks man 😭
Damn, the Saudi news hit me in the gut. I'm a bi girl considering going pro, so it's already bad enough for me, but I've competed in CAH and just thinking about how some of the trans people I've met there would have to feel about that. It's so sad to see how this country is consuming more and more of the pro OW scene.
I have thoughts on other things you mentioned as well, but that really killed all interest in discussing that right now. Well, maybe I can tell myself I wouldn't be in the financial situation to go pro anyway, lol. And who knows, maybe things will change for the better with time, when it would actually be relevant to me, but right now the trend is quite clear.
Well, you asked for something positive, so I'll do it anyway: Really hoping for CR skins, I feel like my team is the only EU team rooting for them every time (we may or may not play a little bit of Ball ourselves, and I may or may not be a big Lip fan as a hitscan player). It's also going to be fun being able to catch more of their matches, and the tournament structure seems good.
Don't give up! I'm with you, and I hope you continue to compete, even if you never make it to the top. I know the news is awful, but also, if more women and trans players make it to the top, they'll have to reconsider Saudi Arabia in the future. You're on the front lines and I only have respect for that, keep up the good work ^_^
@@Ocie_eSports Thank you for the encouraging words, I will try, just keep my head up high and keep playing the game
Thank u for putting information and pictures on screen illustrating what u were saying, and it was nicely done too. My brain can't comprehend a sentence with numbers in it unless I'm seeing it in front of my face XD it was really really nice to have a "title" and a summary for what is being discussed on screen all the time, like an accommodation for my adhd
I may be in the minority here, but along with the bans being after roster is selected, I think the lower seated team should get first ban to give them a chance against the probably better team, I dunno, feels a little sided towards the team that'll have a better chance at winning anyways :T
I think you should be rewarded for being higher seed and winning earlier on otherwise the best situation would be to qualify for a tournament in last place and try to throw just enough to get there
I think that's the point, and that's only first map. Remember that after Map 1, if the lower seed team loses, they get to pick both the map and hero ban. The higher seeded team should be rewarded for their good performance and we shouldn't just take that earned 1st map advantage away from them.
@@Ocie_eSports oh! I must have misheard the video, I thought you said winner of first map gets to pick hero bans, if loser gets to pick map 2 hero bans then I change my mind entirely, in the case that the winner picks hero bans then it's completely unfair due to a snowball, but if it's loser picks than yeah the higher seat should get the fruits of their labor with first ban, sorry bout that.
Blizzard takes hero bans makes it 100 times more trash well done blizzard .
Is not bad taking in count is in a Pro play environment
Know that you are probably in the minority to think that. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's the ideal system either, but it worked, and that was tested 3 times already and proven so.
2 slots for Asia again, and my country(Korea) has to step on our Asian counterparts to qualify. I actually think Blizzard worries the OW scene will become like LOL, where East Asia dominate the scene to the point western viewership suffers. But man, is it quite unfair.
Asia definitely deserves 3 slots, and they need to revert the WDG Korea LAN so Japan and Pacific can fly some teams down to compete. Super dissapointing they changed things for the worse and didn't add T2 for Korea or anywhere else.
@@Ocie_eSports I have no proof of that, but I think that it's WDG that has no interest in doing that (at least not how face it does it ATM)
For the regions, yeah I feel like they really want to avoid the KR hegemony by forcing their talent to be import, raising the overall level little by little.
Especially Japan which somehow has a big viewership in the region. Ideally over time, id like to have a KR, CN, Japan, Pacific region.
Which with na and EMEA brings us to 12 teams in 3 brackets.
But I don't see that happen before OW becomes a tier 1 eSports again and can host their own event, cause right now they are limited with the time they can spend on each event (just look at how abruptly Stockholm ended)
Everytime Ocie post my ass start giggling uncontrollably
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Jiggling*
WAIT WHAT!?😳
Calm your holes
I was thinking 6v6 needed hero bans ages ago when sigma orisa was ruining the game
Bro why does Australia have to verse Asia 😭 we have no chance
Welp on the positive side you still have breakdancing ...
I feel like it would be better if the bans happened before the roster was selected, as it is right now it feels kinda like just a higher level of counterswapping, but if it was before it might make it more difficult for teams to mess up specialists
11:45 Hadi has also discussed SSG moving to NA
We are getting so much Ocie content, this is fucking awesome, thank you Ocie!!
Your point at 4:30 is both a great insight and a super important thing to remember; teams are playing to win, not neccisarily to have fun. Banning the OP pick of the patch also bans said pick for YOUR team too, and if you guys have scrimmed every game with a mauga, you probably don't want to go banning it.
Unrelated to that, I think the whole "if you ban a champ then the rest of the role can't be banned", is actually really interesting but won't be good from a broadcasting perspective. Its a very interesting metagame balancing whether you want to ban a specific hero or to protect an entire role, BUT i don't think that the extra metagame is intuitive or very interesting to watch for the vast majority of viewers. Maybe a more simplified system of banning a single hero and then protecting a single hero would be better an a lot more intuitive for viewers.
Great video
Another great vid Ocie loving your constant contribution to the community ❤ - I think the 2025 season is going to be extremely comparable in terms of viewer experience and community to OWL which is extremely exciting, one of the best factors among all of this change is the communication and open-mindedness that OWCS staff are showcasing going forward, as opposed to being silent and refusing any input. On note about Riyadh, it is a huge shame as the EWC was extremely entertaining Overwatch, and the LAN event itself looked really well organised and streamlined, a fun experience to be had, however with such laws and culture it can be really restricting for many groups despite being a great country besides that, with great ability to setup and run esports events, and clearly with the budget to do so. These events should be set up not only for viewership and fan experience, but for player experience as well, and launching one in Riyadh is a money move more than a move for either players or fans, which as unfortunate as it is, is understandable as at the end of the day the OWCS is a business that sells esports entertainment.
10:37 why not combine all 6 by category? Either a 2-2-2 with Control/Clash, Escort/Hybrid, and Push/Flash, or rather a 3-3 with Control/Flash/Clash and Push/Hybrid/Escort, considering the 3-3 would still give each role a category specific to what type of gamemode it is (Capture Point vs Cart/Bot Movement), and if that's too short a pool, you can use the 2-2-2 to give less of the consolidated categories (although still being somewhat together, Flipping Points, Cart/Push, and then just an Etc category) but more of a pool to pick from. Is it based solely off map number?
Something that might make the game look more fun and make it so teams don't just take the mauga mirror, and force some potentially really weird comps at times. Is to make it match wide hero limits. Would it be good? Who knows. Would they try it? Unlikely. Though I defiantly didn't think hero bans would become a thing some years ago, but I guess a lots changed now.
Ty for the last video of the year, it was a really interesting ^^ (happy new year to anyone reading this) 😸🎉
Not having NRG in the partner program is the most r******d thing I've ever seen and there's no amout of convincing or defending to change the absolute fact that the most well established team didn't get in but a team of literal nobodies with the combined entertainment of watching paint dry
I think on the other side of things though, I'd rather players actually get paid real, reasonable wages. If Team Liquid, C9, or even SSG are willing to pay players and staff more, I feel that's better than the pure brand value of NRG. That also comes from someone who has participated in the scene and seen how low salaries are, so I sympathize with players who put in insane hours just to get minimum wage or even lower.
I agree that NRG was the correct choice if they were willing to put the money down, but I'm not confident that they were. There were probably also internal discussions regarding what NRG were willing to pay their players and what they were investing, that likely made the difference.
Looking at the annoying rage bait comments on the last vid and see you JUST posted a new video, neat. (also team skins are interesting.... maybe theyll bring back mvp skins, Sugarfree Genji skin?)
Can you pleasee make a video about all of the major roster changes for the 2025 season.
I might do something talking about the new rosters, might bring that to the 2nd channel since that's a more niche topic that only more involved fans will be interested in!
@@Ocie_eSports That would be very helpful.
Need this voice in the community
Happy New years🎉
- From the PHILIPPINES
Thank you for being thorough and transparent with the more controversial topics in the video, mis-information/communication is a very influential and weird thing to have to deal with. sadly it is what it is.
I tried to plainly state the potential positives and negatives without really taking a side (except with the Saudi LAN). With topics like hero bans, I want to see how they play out throughout Stage 1, and then revisit them to see how well they worked and what the issues might have been. I think that's the fairest way of looking at things like that.
import (maybe) NRG also lost there slot in the LCS (now LTA) the NA league of legends scene, I know diffrent game, yet maybe a bit important
8:01 they did not start caring tho? The executives pockets are just starting to hurt
Idk man, unless you have an inside perspective, I think that's just unnecessarily pessimistic. Ocie even said that it would slow down the schedule, which is a big potential hit on their profits
@AmbrGlw unfortunately i have no such perspective. I am willing to accept being a pessimist here, i have little to no faith left to give to this studio.
Love the message at the end !!
As someone who never played 6v6 until the play test this season, do you think hero bans would work better in a 6v6 setting or a 5v5 setting! The banning system just looks like a big finger to tanks imo 😭😂
It’s too late, blizz. We all playing black panther now.
I dont like how limited the map pool is, not even giving a team like Toronto Defiant the option to pick Gibraltar is a factor that hinders the team from the get go. Should have gone with a system like CS map pick system
ocie what is your favorite animal
cat
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worst ban system in history ever
It’s good wdym? (At least for me)
They tried it once in the first and it didn’t work. Honestly, I fully don’t expect it to work again.
does the jp channel post new content?
if not, i still subbed
The JP channel is still working on new videos! It's a bit slower on uploads but the videos still come out at least 1-2 times per month.
@Coach_Ocie yippee even more ocie content!!!!
hero bans like siege would be good in overwatch. it will be a diverse experience every game and plus the meta will constantly change with buffs and nerfs due to 6 hero’s being banned though out the game
Cannot wait for cloud 9 having their first C9 in OWCS
I feel like with the addition of china once again could be a partner but based on the other teams it would have to be because owcs just wanted a chinese partner
She use more furi music!!! Ocie my goat frfr
(also great video! very informative, thank you
This is certainly an interesting way to implement bans
Also what if teams did a draft system to pick what maps they are willing to play on for the season? The next season those maps gain immunity and no mode can have less than 2 or something idk
If adding hero bans is what keeps OCS alive then I'm all for it, even if it leads to lower level games at least at the start as teams get used to it. I just hope peoples main takeaway from this isn't just "oh OW is just copying Marvel Rivals, game bad". OW has really been the only hero shooter on the market especially recently so having competent competition (sorry paladins) should lead to the betterment of both games.
I'm no lawyer but I would imagine hero bans being implemented is desirable both for any of the franchise teams in the league and for Blizzard. Whatever effect the most recent balance patch has leading into league competition could influence the outcome given the preferences for each team. So hero bans might absolve Blizzard's development team of any liability in regards to potential accusations of favoritism or fixing.
Blizzard is so reluctant to change that when they're forced to do something because the competition is catching up, they go "you know that thing you wanted snd have been asking for? Well here is an overtly complicated thing that is similar to what you asked, but not exactly"
Not sure what this is referring to? What's the competition?
seems odd that team 1 can ban any role but team 2 gets limited
Yes, that's why the team that bans first has the advantage. You only get 1st ban if you lose the previous map, or if it's 1st map and you are the higher seeded team. It gives the losing team an advantage and makes it easier for them to come back against a stronger opponent.
It's interesting to me that Overwatch has been introducing a lot of things Paladins had and has. Like the 5v5 format, the passives and now this. It's likely a kind of convergent evolution as their devices are trying to solve similar issues.
Reminder that these hero bans are only for professional play, specifically the top level circuit OWCS
@@Ocie_eSports Thank you I misunderstood that. Still it's interesting, on the other side Paladins has also gradually made some changes that made it play a bit more like Overwatch so I find it fun to think about.
I understand why they don't have the main broadcast talent for swiss, but they need to have some sponsored co-streams or host some streamers. Also it will be criminal if the broadcast doesn't have sponsors this year. We need money in order for this thing to run and for some reason we keep pretending we will just find a chest of gold in someone's grandmother's basement.
I feel like being able to ban based on players and higher seed getting to ban first is really bad and going to be very annoying
Higher seed getting 1st ban for 1st map makes sense, they should be rewarded for staying in the upper bracket. The losing team after 1st map gets the 1st ban, so the other team has plenty of chances after 1st map. With the bans based on players, I partially agree, I'm waiting to see how it plays out, but it's a huge problem for specialists for sure.
@@Ocie_eSports if you’re a higher seed it should mean your team is better, so the worse team being able to ban a hero first makes sense to me while the higher seed bans for map. It gives the worse team a better chance especially thinking about what you said with banning Lifeweaver to avoid having your Kiriko or Luico banned
But....the worse team should be rewarded for qualifying for playoffs at a lower seed. Then a top team might throw a match on purpose to get 1st pick in playoffs. I know what you're getting at but trust me it does NOT play out how you think it will.
The lower seeded teams should have won their regular season matches if they wanted first ban. No reason to reward playing poorly.
@ actually that makes more sense than my thought.
Character bans being on the higher seed would encourage more teams to aim for the top. You’re right
I am honestly very sceptical that the hero ban system will had much diversity on the long run. Heroes that are very good in very specific circumstances, such as on certain map, certain team comps or against certain heroes will probably completely fade out of the meta, making the overall hero pool smaller, and the uncertainty the system brings will probably incentivise the players to train a pool of more generalist heroes they are already experienced on, rather than trying out out there stuffs, which may slow down meta development a lot. If you already have to invest most of your time to train on 6 tanks instead of 3 or 4 for the older metas, you will very likely not waste any more time practicing the rest of the tank roster. Basically heroes such as doomfist, Ball, Rein, Zarya, Junkerqueen, Pharah, Symmetra, Sombra, Soldier, Torbjorn, Echo, Mercy, Illari, Lifeweaver and zen are at risk as completely vanishing from competitive play in favor of the usual meta heroes because they will get ban in situations that will be too much in their favour and are rarely viable outside of them. I don't really understand why this system gets implemented now, beside the Juno meta we have seen very diverse and map specific comps lately and the heroes favoured by the ban system are the generalists that were already very prevalent in the current meta. While this system might have made sense during goats or double shield, in the current meta it feels anachronistic to me
at least we can see some more heroes that have rarely show in pro match
I GREATLY prefer larger map pools. Does any viewer prefer EVERY first map being the same for an entire tournament? I get that more maps leads to mismatches in practice time. 2 teams can have practiced entirely different map pools potentially increasing one-sided games, but I would prefer 10 unique one-sided games, to 10 close illios games. Even that is conceding that it WOULD lead to stomps, it could even diversify strategies as teams need to develop an overall style and not min/max each map.
not sure if anyone has said anything yet but theres some weird moments with your audio equalization at a couple points, particularly when you were talking about stages
came to see how ow was gona do there bans and im stuck looking at a spread sheet
Noooo my love sf shock!! You will be missed. I’ve been following them since day 1 with owl I will miss them.
Just on the land event in China, think the location according to the sources is hangzhou
watching the soop cup if i dont see a genji or hazard in 2025 it will be too early
finally, something to watch when eating
Honestly was excited to hear about band but the way they’re being implemented is so meta-gamey…
My major worry hear is that this will actually LIMIT hero diversity, Like you stated specific comps like the Rein comp or JQ comp that are meta defying and created to counter the meta go away. Or are at least less viable. Too me that stuff and specialists are what I enjoy watching personally.
It's a bit disappointing there's no LAN event in the US for next season because I'd really like to go to one. But a LAN event in Saudi Arabia is SO disappointing. What a horrible decision.
partner program is a good thing!!! yeah each region is down to 3 teams but i promise its a good thing and owcs isnt fucked
There were no partnered teams last year, so this is a major improvement. Not sure what you're getting at with this one.
Hero bans are good for disrupting stale metas, but also the same thing against nuanced metas that utilise otherwise-unusable heroes and strategies. But it’s worth a try for sure.
Hero bans also give statistics for not broken but disliked heros. Its like clash is rainbow six siege. She wasnt broken but was always banned because she was unfun to fight against. The ban stats gave the devs hard data to work with to justify a rebalance.
Overwatch could have easily implemented a simple 2-2 hero ban system at the start of each map, similar to other games that use this mechanic effectively. Regarding the idea of punishing teams that rely heavily on specific heroes or strategies, I believe that if you're in the professional scene, you should have the versatility to adapt. For example, DPS players in the pro scene should have a solid understanding of every DPS hero on the roster and be able to perform proficiently with any of them when needed.
In my opinion, a hero ban system not only separates the truly skilled and adaptable players from those relying on a limited hero pool but also gives flexible teams the recognition they deserve. It could reward creativity and highlight teams willing to think outside the box rather than sticking rigidly to what's meta.
Are partner teams seen as a good thing? Seems to me like it is anti-competetive and gatekeeping tier1
They're making it so ridiculously convoluted... A simple role ban with 1 per role, would be enough.
NRG Shock and Toronto leaving and splitting up, PGE potentially going teamless, why even bother...
Well OWCS now has both China teams+money and Saudi Oil Blood Money! Truly the peak of Esports :(
@@nexenoplays6583what clean money would you like owcs to be funded by
I personally think this is a good implement to the game IN A PRO ENVIRONMENT but now my question is now that they made this true in pro play they are going to make it in base game? Personally i think they should but obv is not going to work the same way because it cant i hope this become true in base game
So what is a Lan event even?
Local Area Network Events. Basically the teams plays against eachother on the same network on a big stage infront of hundres and sometimes thousands of players (and if we count the live viewers from Twitch or TH-cam that number can even reach in the millions).
They also get to play on PCs that isn't theirs to prevent cheating and stuff.
How do they mess hero bans up 😂
At this point Rivals is doing things better than Overwatch ever have.
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Local Saudi from Riyadh, yes, you are correct.
Also, lets have things like cheap things in the grocery stores before hosting these things when can not even be good hosts.
So much for "good hospitality" social values lmao.
It might just be me but, after having 6v6 qp added shouldn't they add a 6v6 mode sperate from 5v5 comp like open que, and if they do add 6v6 comp they should change the heroes' utility to as it were when 6v6 was the default mode and also looking at how the new supports affect the old version of ow2?
Yayy more video to watch from probably actually my favorite content creator. You are the only one I care for now a days, and your stuff is like well put together. And also I watched a video from 6 months ago I think, and your voice has come a long way. You are the coolest of beans
Great! now put this in normal overwatch competitive
Wait, I'm very stupid so just to clarify? Is it actually confirmed that EWC and the midseason tournament are going to be the same thing? Or is it just a case that both are running consecutively/parallel in Riyadh. Obv either though means that like you said, players have to choose between being arrested and deported for existing, or having a career.
I'm not sure if details are out yet but it's looking like it will just be EWC. We will get more information in the future, but yeah....Sorry, the announcement came out just as I was prepping to post the video so I didn't have team to read through much!
@@Ocie_eSports
No worries. I think best case scenario we can hope for is likely that EWC and the midseason are separate, but both are held in Riyadh for convenience/money/both ETC. At least then there's still separation between the OWCS scene and EWC. Either way, I'm the same as you. I won't be watching or supporting it, the most I'll be doing is just checking results, and then I can go back to my EU tournament in Sweden again.
In an ideal world, the fact that the tournament is in Riyadh might mean it gets a far lower turnout + more backlash than the others, incentivizing Blizz to try to distance themselves after this year, but unfortunately I think Saudi will just keep throwing money at the wall until it sticks.
I mean, most diehard ow fans are calling rivals copy cats with everything, ig ow is copying rivals now
What's being copied from Rivals here?
@ tbh w u bro, I didn’t watch the whole thing and I’m not trynna call it a copy, I saw hero bans and found it ironic how a ton of the ow community called rivals a copy cats and now they are finally introducing bans, srry if I’ve got the wrong idea lol
This ban system (a near identical version) was used by a major OW tournament before Rivals even announced bans. Overwatch using bans exactly like this in eSports pre-dates Rivals' bans.
@@Ocie_eSports ah gotcha, then why did they take it away till now?
They never took it away, they just decided to add it to this main tournament circuit because they found it to be successful. It was used only 6 months ago in the Saudi sponsored event. It was also used 1 month ago in a WDG+Soop Korea event.
idk if my comment is gna motivate u but please post more consistently i love ur videos 🙏🏾😭
Is it even possible for people who publicly hold an identity that is infringed upon by SA government to travel to the event if they (and yes I know this is horrible and not possible for some people) hide it or don’t show it while they are in the country? Again, an awful thing to consider, but I’m wondering if it’s even an option? Or is it that if you’re public on social media (for example) about your identity you just can’t go because it’s widely accessible public knowledge and that can be used against you
For certain people it's more dangerous than others. For people of different sexualities, the best thing you can do is never tell anyone during your trip about your sexuality and never stay in a hotel room with someone in a way that might look suspicious. You might also want a burner phone if your main phone has pictures of a relationship that could be perceived as gay or queer.
For trans people you are basically screwed. You need to act as the gender on your official identification. For trans people that have changed their official gender, this may be very difficult if they do not pass well. This could end with them being deported or worse. For me, I haven't been able to change my legal gender yet, so I'd need to 'pretend' to be a man and dress that way. That is a bit of a problem though because for many trans people, biology kinda changes due to meds....so you need to wear certain under-clothing that, if you are caught wearing (even in a security pat down) could get you in trouble.
Also, for high profile players and content creators (I am a good example) social media presence puts you at risk. It would be easier to go undercover as a fan than keep down low as a creator or player. I've had people tell me I'd probably die if I went to Saudi (LOL) although my guess is that I'd most likely end up deported. It's a tough subject and VERY messy.
@ I’m really sorry about that :( I know you’ve mentioned working on your voice (which is great btw!) so I’m guessing if you went to SA you’d have to stop doing that as well… so messy like you said, I hope you and others are still able to work through this part of the season
Its an actual skill that Blizzard has with taking very simple concepts and making them absolutely convoluted and terrible. Example: the hide and seek Genji/Kiriko thing, they made it so the defenders could melee the attackers? Wtaf? Now they make hero bans, a very simple concept and just make it super irritating dlfor the audience and players. Nice job
With the way they are doing bans I think it’s a mistake.
You should have to ban before rosters are set for the match. Then it has risk and reward rather than just reward.
Otherwise I like the idea
Easy LAN implementation is the best way to make grassroots growth for overwatch
Kind of a shame about Riyadh
It is a genuine barrier for a lot competitors and just as importantly staff.
And also, with the other locations being Hangzhou and Stockholm, I daresay that NA deserves the third international. Honolulu, Anaheim or Toronto could all work fine.
Wondering if the partner teams will go up to 12 with the addition of China
Looks like it's 2-2-2-2. Every region gets 2 teams
@@Ocie_eSportsI knew that the lan slots went to that but only 2 partners per region seems a little underwhelming
Ohh you meant partner teams not LAN. Partners are still 9. Now with China I assume 2 Korean teams and Once Again as the only Chinese team.
High Level Overwatch does not means 3-0WCS. People sick of that 3-0WCS. Your negativity possibly affect positive on viewers side. That's my opinion tho.
so we won't have faceit league SA and OCE slots for ewc? so we can confirm the end of SA overwatch (even if it was already dead)
I'm not sure, I would say that is 50/50. I know for SA especially it's life changing money (even if I disagree with the morals of the event) so I hope SA gets a slot. SA deserve the oil money more than anymore else LOL
How possible it is that a lan can be hosted in Mexico or near? Would love to go to one 😭
Most likely not Mexico, Texas would be possible again in the future though. That would be the closest to Mexico possible.
A very convoluted way to avoid criticism on hero design.
Perfectly balancing the game is nearly impossible. It's ideal but not practical, and much harder than you might think it is.
@@Ocie_eSportsdid op say that
It's gotta be CR for 3rd Asia team for partnership surely
Ew I hate hero bans but it would fix the falcons/c.raccoon match last season where they lost bc they weren’t so good on the mauga and ran out of non mauga maps
ocie upload right as i got food :D
Still want hero bans in the live game
I hope they dont bring bans into the actual game
The infinite money glitch killed me lmao