STOP BUYING CABS!!! The TRUTH modern guitarists NEED to hear!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มี.ค. 2024
- Hello everyone! Today we discuss the importants of not falling for the old school traditional path that modern guitar players constantly get trapped into that don't work anymore. With that I give my thoughts and opinions on guitar cabs and why they are NOT necessary for the traveling musician of today!
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As an audience member, I hate it when guitarists go straight to FOH. Normally, I'm right at the front of the stage (with earplugs, of course), getting the most visceral experience possible out of a live show.
When a guitarist is only going out the PA, I CANNOT HEAR THEM while at the front of the stage. Furthermore, their audibility is beholden to the sound guy, who usually sucks. So please, all y'all playing those small-venue shows that I love so much, please keep using those 4x12s.
Well I’m not sure if your ears are tricking you but if someone is mic’d up to a PA the amp is turned down very low so I doubt you’d hear it over everything else.
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK Yes, that also happens. It's annoying. But usually, ears in front of cab means hearing more cab.
I've tried t rec with no amp for five long years, even tried the IR. But real speakers responds differently when you hit soft (low volume outta amp) or hard (more volume outta amp) the frequency response changes according to the voltage sent to the speakers, and the IR is a snapshot of one specific volume. that's why the sound of IR is different, unless you can stack the same impulse over different levels of poweramp together and use an algorithm to identify the different line levels coming in to the spkr sim and quickly change the different levels types of the IR's already chosen. Since 2006 the satisfying tones I've always happy with was through the real speakers.
1000% well said and facts !
Well that’s why these amp sims cost so much money. They are also doing responses of the volume knobs. I love tube amps I have plenty of them. It’s just the modern guitarist has so many other choices and that’s the point of this video.
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK , The amp sims just calculate the volume changes, they does not behave as the circuitry with the tolerance errors. but I was not talking about the amp sims, but the speaker sim, which is a very complex behavior each level and dynamic change affects the nearby response at the nearby frequencies + frequency relative level. To have this exact behavior a real speaker sim couldn't be simple It would demand an extreme huge number of files equal as the minimum variation of level + player's dynamic changes. It's good at the pre-production level or practice and live applications. Or even for those who cant recognize these changes. That's why we have so many flattened guitar tones now-days on low budgets albums productions plus, everyone is having the SAME TONE, just like the Clone army from the Star Wars. The CORE of the tone is so identical that's takes out the interest
hmmm, this variety of choice is not exactly a choice since to be considered a choice it should have to be as good as the real. If it was so good as the real ones we wouldn't call it simulations. Just my point of view
I admit that computer sim amps are more practical but the feeling you get when the sound moves the air around you and you feel the sound coming out your amp is unique and it’s what I love about playing guitar.
My dude the mesa 4x12 is the best cab ever built. Nice click bait, though 👍
Agree. That why I own 2 of them and 3 other cabs. Watch the video and see what it’s about.
You have to try the engl xxl. It will change your mind.
I've got the oversize Mesa, considering that they both come with V30's is it enough of a difference to be worth it?@@Depurity
@@screwmerunnin let me put it this way. The English has the “blue cone” specs as the holy grail v30 for in the OS cabs but the English is front loaded which makes it even tighter and it sounds more 3D in the room. MASSIVE!
Thank You. Click bait galore
I'll admit that amps in general are almost unnecessary these days, but I'm an older guy who is 20 years removed from playing in bands and I still crank big amps every time I play in my music room because I like feeling it in my bones when I play. Impractical but enjoyable.
Personally, I know I'm now leaning more towards running my pedals or guitar processor into my power amp pedal and then running that power amp pedal into a vertical 2x12 cab with some quality speakers. Definitely viable for performing live and touring while not causing back problems later on in life.
...playin guitar still gets you the ladies. don't get fooled. Is there any other reason starting practise guitar for?
Bored and alone, stoned off to many bong rips is another reason 😂
Impulses are super convenient, but I’ve never heard an IR that sounds as good as micing my real cab. Something gets lost when capturing IRs imo
It’s true, we loose that sense of the “whoosh” as I call it. When air is moving, I’m grooving. Have you seen the new bogren IRDX knob? It’s made specifically to take a stale IR and give it that air that it needs
I just love the sound the sound of a real tune head and a 2/12 cab with a variety of speaker types .
I prefer a 4x12 but I totally agree! I prefer my tube amps most of the time. But we need to face the fact that modeling is here and it’s staying. Potentially taking over 90% of the market eventually.
Amen bro. As an amp builder and loving the old school equipment, you can’t deny the benefits of the new school with versatility, cost, and low space requirements for many practical real life applications. Nice vid bro. 😎 never thought I would be using sims and IRs but they have changed my life. But I will still be building bad ass tube amps for as long as I’m alive 🤘🏻😂
Exactly. Even if people want to buy an amp head and use a torpedo x you can still record in silence with a full 100 watt amp. There are so many options. Although the old school way is my favorite, it just isn’t as necessary anymore 😢
Build something that carries the heavy rig for the musicians. Man, I hated dragging all that heavy shit from gig to gig
Get a quality reactive load box, like the Redseven, Driftwood, or Suhr, and you can use your real heads with IRs.
Yeah definitely. I just ordered a Fryette PS100 and can’t wait for it to get here. It will be great to use for testing all my amp and preamp builds. Plus using it for live and recording, the possibilities are endless.
Sorry but if we need to keep an hardware element, it's cab. Maybe a 1x12 but it's the most important with pick-up by far. Amp is less important. And I love amps. Cabs simulations are good we are agree but when you have another thing that Vintage 30, you're not sure about simulation. Do you have a Bedrock cab simulation with 12E100? I'm not sure.
Not a guitar player, but someone who plays guitar for songwriting purposes and in the audio world. Guitarists has plenty of options to record their guitar tone, it's just a matter of how they want to go about it and their budget. There are guitar players who prefer an actual amp and cab, and there's nothing wrong with that, but their neighbors might unless you have your own studio space. But it's also more than just throwing on a mic and aim at the speaker. What you hear in the room versus recorded will be different. You can dial in such an amazing guitar tone for yourself, place the mic on the speaker, and hit record, but it may not be the sound you hear in your head when you play it back. Unless you have the luxury to separate the cab from the room, you can't really hear what you're doing blasting the cab in the same room as you. That's where a loadbox and IRs come in, if you prefer to record real amps. There are plenty of high quality IRs out there and they're honestly not expensive besides maybe the loadbox. On top of that, let's say you don't have the money to own a high quality amp, more than likely, there's an amp sim version of it that's pretty damn close to the original. If you want several top of the line amps in a digital format, there are good amp sim/digital hardware companies out there that will do the job. As long as you keep an open mind, there are several ways to achieve a great guitar tone for yourself.
Yeah. You don’t need a cab to record in your bedroom. You need it to play with other people…which is what a beginner needs to do to improve. Yeah, you can hook your Helix up to the PA (if there is a PA), but what band has a PA strong enough to get your guitar over a metal/punk drummer?
There are also combo amps that are 2x12 like the fender mustang and a bunch of other stuff. The point of the videos are to lead those who are unaware to the right direction.
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK those are okay, especially if you have some real work experience and know how to set it up. I still think a beginner would be better served using a cheap Peavy Valveking combo, 5150 iconic, or other similar commonly available tube amps. They sound good and have less room for user error. I’m tired of playing gigs with kids running Axe FX units with IRs loaded into the venue’s guitar speaker cabinets. They aren’t ready. Please make it stop!
@@josephbenz4913 most beginners starts on acoustic anyways. Let’s be honest 😂
My parents bought my first 4x12" cab with a marshall mghdfx head, back 20 something years ago. Im in my 40's now, and still rockin that same 4x12" cab with a Randall VMAX head. I gotta say its a pain in the ass, and even at gigs you use a mic on them so a huge cab is almost never needed, but i wouldn't play without one now. I admit, i wanna look and feel like a rockstar when i play a gig. A huge amp helps.
I just gave away two Crate 4x12 cabs that I had FOREVER.... hopefully, kid I gave them to will put them to good use
Damn.. okay, My main issue is playing live. I use the line 6 HX Effects in 4CM and the real-deal amp/cab and I drag around the heavy gear. I'm getting old-er and tired of the load in, set-up, break-down, load out thing. My friends all say, "you gotta do the modeling thing with in-ears man!"
I want to be able to hear my guitar by itself on stage, feedback, dynamics, ect, ect. Is there a way to achieve this with amp/cab sims for a live set-up?? I want to pull the trigger and go this route, but would I have to give up that live vibe and feel?
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I guess what we are looking for is "That sound" on the recording process as well as the live room finding just the perfect tone in the right size package for the least amount of money
I have been using IR since Lepou VSTs existed in 2012, and honestly today it can be said that we have reached the singularity between the real and the virtual in this field, many professional bands have already been using this technology for some time, and many It is difficult for them to accept it, technology is in everything, and in this almost particular case it has hit a home run.
You asked for our opinion, I'll give you mine. I HATE "digital tone"! Nothing comes close to the dynamics of valves and real cabs! If you say otherwise, you still have a few things to learn. I play guitar, I'm not a DJ. -Best Regards
I own 4 4x12 cabs. And three heads. I just sold a multi Fx floor unit. Guitar players fall into a category thinking all the band needs is a guitar sound going directly into the mystical PA system that either venue has or the singer has. I have played guitar in small clubs and in auditoriums and even a basketball gym. I used a 60 watt tube amp with 1 12” speaker playing guitar for a basketball pep band. Having these amps and cabs I am able to set them up as a makeshift PA system if I want. Using only a small mixer. One single 12” speaker on both sides of a stage doesn’t put out that much sound. A dual rectifier into a 412 is able to get a very low volume however the tube heads I have are not as low volume. People forget about beer and drinks and other band members spilling drinks on gear. I’ve run into a wall using multi Fx boards trying to get volume equilibrium from one setting to another And even though it’s nice to have so many Fx and amp mods most pro guitarists don’t need 50 different amps or 200 Fx. Some just use a Marshall head or fender amp and like 5 or 6 stomp boxes. The multi Fx boards tend to dominate the guitar players brain so the time is wasted programming a board instead of writing songs. We had a band and our PA system tended to be whatever we had at the time. So the multi Fx and amp mod sellers post this ever present PA system or ever present singer with a pa idea that isn’t always realistic. Some venues have a pa that just doesn’t work at all. I’ve even seen pros having to use a broken house pa. So I’ll keep my 4 cabs and plan to keep getting more cabs like 15s and subs too but the live band has to move air I don’t think any amp mod can put out the sound that my amps and stomp boxes make. Having owned bassman and super reverb and twin reverb and a 70s kustom the solid state digital just isn’t the same but also a lot of people want to be rockstars and never gain any arm strength lol
All my opinion here thanks
wtf is a basketball pep band lmao
@@justsomerandomguyman well wtf lmao dude it’s how a guitar player makes actual money in the second year of being a guitar player. College basketball games they had a pep band to play songs and the reason I mentioned it was I had a 60 watt amp with one speaker that put out enough sound for a basketball gym and wtf lmao dude if I only used a board I would have still had to bring a PA system. Don’t be a poser
@@justsomerandomguyman yeah because people think every guitar player is at the house of blues with a pro PA system playing in a ozzy tribute band and getting 20000 a night because that’s what ALL guitar players do… no there are real world instances where an amp is needed. They use guitars in orchestras and places where a PA system might not even be used
Never stop buying cabs, they are the awesomest. I am shall fill my entire house with guitar cabs!
My house is made of cabs!
I just went over to the Blackstar Amped 3. I run it into my own 2x12 at practice and normally have backlined cabinets live. but the convenience of having it sit on my desk and into my computer at home is a gamechanger
Definitely! I’m thinking of getting myself a torpedo captor x so I can bring my amps to my mix’s much easier without having to be super loud. The options are limitless now and days I love it.
I will say this as you get older lugging gear around is annoying. Simple setups is very helpful. But I’m a church guitarist. And even bring my 2 12 combo amp is Getting heavy I might switch out for those neodymium speakers for weight reduction or just get a single 12 combo amp.
But man pushing air through speakers feels great man.
What’s your experience guys when you on the road?
I’m almost 30 and if I were to do a short tour run or local show I’m going to bring a 4x12 all day long honestly. Thanks for commenting brother 🤙🏻
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As someone who uses a Quad Cortex I wish I could honestly go cab-less on stage and go straight to the PA when playing shows but being in the local hardcore scene I play alot of shows where the PA is only for vocals so I gotta still lug around the Mesa OS 4x12 unless there's a pre-determined backline lol :(
Well I’m targeting this knowledge for newer guitarists or to let people know that the bedroom guitarist doesn’t need a 4x12 to get the sounds they want. I’m with you on being I the hardcore/punk/metal scene. Most of the time it’s a cab share with smaller get togethers.
FR cabs and modeling are the future, seems obvious at this point (or just monitors for home use obv). The technology is so shockingly good now it’s insane. I grew up with a 5150 head and 4x12 so I know and appreciate that relationship but I’ll never go back to that set up. Having so many amps at my fingertips now is just so inspiring either with plug ins , fractal etc.
A video about what all a guitarist needs to set up a digital studio. Assuming we have a computer or laptop, whats the next step? Every youtuber is using the computed with all the plug ins and amp simulators, etc. How do you go about getting all that set up?
This video is about where new guitarist/guitar playing is heading and cheaper options for people who may not be able to afford high end things. I’m assuming you watched 30 seconds and commented?
The point of this video is to help the viewer with finding cheaper alternatives. I’m here to help!
No, I watched the whole thing. It was a good video. I was just making a suggestion for a video. Im aware of all the options for guitarists nowadays, but I dont know how to go about setting up a digital studio.
Lets say I already have a laptop and guitars, and I know I need an audio interface, headphones, cables, possibly a mic or decent monitors, etc.
Once a person has all that, then what?
I assume the audio interface comes with some software and that may be the last step to. Eing able to plug in play. But what if a person wants to play through a Dual Rec with a Marshall 1960b cab with various pedals, etc. How do we accomplish that?
Thats the long version of what my original comment was trying to say.
Your delivery style and cadence just seems like it is better suited for teaching and explaining things than someone like Ola or one of those other big youtubers.
@@Suelo82 damn dude I totally misread that! I’m sorry bro! Yeah no that’s actually a great idea. Maybe next video I will do a run down of a simple set up
I have the perfect solution. I’m going to make a video about my home studio. But basically, ditch the plugins and kill latency by using a mixer before the interface to get direct monitoring. Turns your computer into an old school multitrack tape recorder, and you record real amps with no tech nerd hassle stuff, no latency at all. Makes recording much easier and more like a real studio. Latency sux, as does computer recording without mixers involved.
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Depends on your goals. If you want to be the person MAKING the IRs, you need the cabs (and mics, mic preamps, interface, and skills/functioning ears).
Yeah I mentioned that in another video. I sort of pieced them all together. Making IRS isn’t a new guitar players goal though. That’s sort of the whole reason for the video.
I feel like my crate v32 2x12 tube combo is crushed by our drumset i like the tone of modlers and tube amps just hate my amp its min volume it kicks on 2 is too much for practicing and at night, and it can't hang with dblkicks and a 22"holey china when my kid wants to jam i need more, i see tones of vids on tone floor units plugins heads and all that, but never anything about what you need to bring the sound to bear.... I'd love to see something on the topic of how to get guitar. bass, keys going hard enough to sound good with extreme drums.
I use an Engl amp head and 4x12 at band practice but I use my Interface and DAW and a ton of plugins at home. I am considering swapping out my amp head for a quad cortex paired with a power amp as well in the near future...Sell the Engl head, after capturing it first though!
It’s such a powerful movement that has shifted in the guitar community and I’m here for it. At the end of the day I love tube amps and will probably play them until the day I die but when It come to the utter convenience of these new floor units….you can’t beat it. Not only that but with the quad cortex you and your band mates can share it and have different patches!
I prefer to have a small 1x12 with a head less than 20w that I can turn on with a flip of a switch and having fun looking for a tone with real knobs. As a guy that work a lot on computers it's fun just to play with analog, but I won't argue that the Gojira sim sounds amazing.
Exactly. The point of the video is to basically say that amp and cabs aren’t needed for newer player these days. Hell, you can even download garage band on your phone and use an adapter with headphones and jam
It always baffles me when anyone thinks that you can replace the original ‘thing’ that produced that irreplaceable feel that we fall in love with.
There have always been those people who have battled against those who have tried to replace us..remember Nugent literally shooting keyboards back in the early 80’s?? Guitars and guitar gear will never be antiquated. They’ll never truly be replicated. The ‘feel’ of the real thing.
Why don’t you just tell people to put down the guitar and develope an AI guitar replicator to run through a keyboard workstation, and call it ‘making music’.
I think we need to face the facts. Guitar gear and music, in general is changing. New guitarists could care less about boutique amp heads. Sadly it will be a collectors thing as time goes on. The feel of a real amp is definitely better than a floor unit but for guitar players that didn’t start on amp head they just don’t care. The numbers will continue to grow over time and amp heads will not be as popular as they used to be or even as popular as they are now. It’s a sad truth. Now I’m not saying that within 10 years amp heads will disappear but think about 50-100 years from now. Think how advanced we will be.
Also. I don't think an audience could give a rat's ass about how it "feels" to the working guitarist, and that audience is who will be paying your bills BTW once you get to that level. Like mentioned before, a lot of these up and comers will be the generation that specifically uses this new tech, so they won't miss anything honestly. They will have their "own feel" of sorts. It's just funny how some find this so threatening. Everything changes, and history has proven this time and time again in every aspect of life, there's no denying it. Amps and muscle cars... very cool and testosterone driven, but just too much expense, hassle, and not exactly practical for the average Joe these days. And I think, telling future generations you should just put the guitar down, for the sin of using a modeler (AI guitar replicator?) is just plain silly. These kids still want to play guitar, they are just using a different way of filtering and projecting it's sound. OOOOO scary! Yes, the tech is not quite there at present, but it's pretty damn close. Just think what will be achieved within the next decade? I personally can't wait to see what's in store! I just hope the amp industry is ready for the change.
Good vid. Stuff like Mikko2 by ML sound labs can be great, for a complete collection. Or STL Amp Hub too with its surprisingly good IR's, and you get most of the IR's with just buying one amp. York audio is another killer company and you can pick and chose
Stl tones is my favorite. My favorite amp sim is the lasse lammert suite. It has a modded jcm 800, purple nightmare and a diezel herbert perfect IRS for anything metal. Literally.
ENGL pro 2x12 user here. Good option
I don’t think I’ve ever used anything ENGL that wasn’t good. Love me some ENGL
Never bought a cab, nor ANY amp tbh (Other than the Spark 40) - went straight for the Boss Gt-1, & Bob's your uncle. So I agree with your message here.
Honestly, it's the guitarist, not the gear. I'm sure that Mark Knopfler will sound great with or without a Cab, for example .
shit if my prostate aint shaking it's not loud enough, and solid state sucks for playing with feedback IMO so stack and tube amps are still the best for me
not the prostate shaking 😂😭 I prefer my tube amps as well. Have you tried the new solid state stuff like the quad cortex or line 6 helix? It’s extremely high quality sound and build for a fair price.
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dang! that sucks about your green back, I love my GB25's, and yeah I love higher wattage vintage 30's and even rocket 50's have a super fat sound when played in tandem. I gotta say the Katana and modelers, have come a long way from those older solid state amps, but as a guy who enjoys the drone as much as the fast percussive playing I can't get away from Plexi tube amps, or even Carvins and Oranges, I just can't get musical feedback from solid state amps the same as tubes, do you find that true for yourself? @@JustJ-gs3rx
Bro, you still need speakers. I have a 112 Peavey cab and a fender combo I put a Jensen C8R in. I also have personus 3.5” powered monitor speakers. The amp sounds so much better to me. And all I do is run my amp sim through an audio interface and it plays directly through my computer which cost $3,500 to build. I’ll spend half that on a cab and head and my little 20 watt amp is plenty loud for gigs.
Yeah but you don’t need a 3500 computer to run an amp sim. Just like you don’t need a 3500 guitar rig to chug.. The whole point of this video is to show alternatives and to show where the guitar community is headed. At the end of the day there is no right or wrong way to play guitar. Also I want to add that you don’t technically needs speakers either, some people just use headphones on a computer or on their phone with garage band.
No matter how you slice it, this all comes down to opinion which is my point. I prefer plugging into an amp as opposed to an audio interface but that’s my opinion. I feel like instead of trying to get into trend discussions people should just play how they prefer. After all, In the end, it doesn’t even matter.
i've been playing guitar for 20 year and never owned a head and cab unit.
i was ahead of the times! lmao!..
Yes sir you sure were 😂 let me ask you, do you use amp sims? Also are you interested in ever trying a tube amp? Highly recommend at least borrowing 1 for a week and really diving in!
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK right now im rocking a line 6 pod go plugged into my boss katana 100 artist. but im starting to get into gigging and need something with a little more meat on the bones. i've played with the idea of tube amps.
@@timtimmonsmusic couldn’t hurt to upgrade to a higher end line 6 like the helix or the stomp and get yourself a 2x12
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK what’s your opinion on the boss katana head and cab? Was thinking about that setup,
@@timtimmonsmusic well I’ve never had the opportunity to play that exact set up. I will say that the boss katana stuff (what I’ve tried at least), has been great. If you plan on gigging I’d suggest sticking to what you’re comfortable with but I’m also the type of person who loves trying new things out and testing different stuff.
Horses for courses. I’m a studio at home guy, don’t even jam these days. But I do like amps for their simplicity, So I have an amp with a cab sim out (Friedman). No cab speaker at all. Why? Volume! You can’t play a 4x12 in a domestic environment. Even a 1 watt tube is too loud! So I go from amp to mixers to studio monitors. Then a feed from mixer to the computer for recording. So I can crank the tubes and turn the overall volume down at the mixer. Perfect solution. The cab sim is pretty good. But if I jam again, I’ll buy a cab for sure. We are spoiled with choice these days. Praise the Lord.
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@Cody Barnette: your opinion is absolutely right, but for bedroom guitar players only.
Well that’s who I’m targeting with this knowledge. I talk about this because the average guitar player is indeed a bedroom guitarist or even just acoustic. But I find it interesting that touring guitarist have a similar mindset when touring that the newer futurist would have. Light, compact, plug and play with lots of pre sets.
Great Video, yeah I gotta say multi effects units ( or vst's ) are the way to go. Something like Axe fx or helix ets is all anyone would need in a super compact unit.
just get a old crate head and 412 cab for around $500 best sound you will ever get at least compared to anything else in that price range
I got 3 4x12's and 3 heads, 5150 III 50watt, 6505+II 100 watt, and a REVV 100P. Sure I got a daw and some simms. Heck I even have an AXE FX II+ . But I waited 54 years to push some air, and I am never going back !!! Even have a 800 watt Rumble for bass. What I don't waste my cash on is Fender or Gibson guitars !!! That let's me have 4 bass and 5 electric guitars.
Almost forgot , It's ALL USED... pawnshop, Goround, Reverb, or Local..I don't buy new !
I had a 4x12 and an Amp played at several stages. In hindsight, I prefer an a2x12 and an easy rig based on a solid-state Poweramp and a preamp pedal. Buy a few better speakers. Keep it easy.
You know I’ve only ever owned 1 2x12 in my life and immediately got rid of it for a mesa I found on sale. Other than that I’ve only owned 1 other 2x12 combo
i use all the options but i can say that we all know the feel of a 4x12 moving air has no comparison its not a sound issue but a feel
As an aging 80's guitarist that migrated to tech in the 90's, then integrated them in the 2000's I found the digital capabilities and possibilities limitless.
Nowadays I'm a basement studio rat with enough amp sims, modeler's and digital amps to download, design, implement and record in minutes what a pro studio couldn't do a couple decades ago.
Bonus: A much less pissed off wife..
As far as quality and fidelity go, I've converted countless old school guitarists that tried too convince me old school was better..
The time, energy, expense, hassle and limitations of lugging around and setting up old school is an absolute abortion at this point.
Even jamming through already setup rigs at sessions is so limiting and frustrating it's easier to bring my Katana MKII, laptop and midi keyboard than futz around with other rigs.
If you're running backing tracks or recording the laptop is ready, willing and capable..
Every time without exception, other guitarists and bass players I jam with, want to run through my setup just too check it out.. 😅
To each their own but I'm not looking back..
Rock on brother ✌️
I love this comment! I feel the same way! What’s crazy is that you could record a full band without rack units now. The only thing is, is bands like to see that stuff around because I guess it’s shows experience? Idk but it’s crazy what can be done with just plugins
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK It's like having the keys to a large music store and a recording studio..
I agree with your comment and yes, old school cabs and amps have a certain visual appeal but I also think there's a lot of buyers remorse that makes it hard to let them go..
Actually have a neighbor who swears by his tube amp and assortment of pedals. he says it sounds better to him and I jokingly ask how can you tell with that noisy pile of cables, foot pedals and that old tube amp? watching him play around on the floor and moving things around trying to get that perfect sound is just sad.
and just like the others, he always plays around with my setup during breaks..
I think the clean break in the 90s was enough to help me with the reset. Actually sold all my guitars amps cabinets, pedals everything. The only thing I regret selling, was some of my guitars..
I remember cakewalk was just getting started and wasn't too impressed but damn, technology has come along way in last 20 years.. it's a great time to be a musician..
@@Virtual-Media yeah it can take a while to really lock in a tone you’re looking for but also that’s the fun with a lot of analog stuff is time searching. Personally it doesn’t take me long to get a good tone. Micing up a cab is hard sometimes when you’re trying to get a specific sound to cut through a mix. That’s the trick. Knowing how to mic up a cab
It's a long way to the top if you want to rock n roll. (School of rock lol)
You got it!
I have to say, the combo amp part, is definitely wrong. An old guitarist of mine used to use a mesa combo amp, it was a tube amp. It got just as loud as our other guitarists half stack easily. It used to be back in the day many weren’t as powerful, but these days it’s easy to get a massive sound without a 4x12
I personally have never used a 1x12 in a metal band setting that was loud enough. A 2x12 yes but never a 1x12. Im happy to hear it worked for you though!
Yep. A 60 watt Mark series Mesa 1x12 combo will absolutely slay a lot of larger amps. Especially the ones with the EV 150w speakers. If you have a gray haired guy in the band, he’s going to kill your 4x12 by turning the eq knobs on his 1x12 and using an amp stand. Bedroom bottom end tone disappears in the mix in live shows. The 70,s and 80’s rock guy is going to be the only one heard when he hangs out with the younger band, because he knows low flub flub flub doesn’t cut through. The reason you don’t hear 1x12 combos in a live setting is that no one knows what to do with the bass knob anymore.
@@apacheworrier3776 hey thanks for commenting in! So I’ve used a lot of gear in my short time. I’m happy to hear a 1x12 works for you. But in my experience with my bands it has never worked as well as I’ve wanted it to. I actually mix and sometimes master a good amount of music so im aware of how to eq s band in a live setting 😁🤙🏻
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK
Thanks for the reply.
The biggest problem with a combo vs 4x12 is that most people set it on the ground flat, and the 4x12 has 2 speakers that are well above the 1x12 which drowns it out. Getting the combo off the ground and angling the speaker upwards changes the way everyone in the room hears it. Also placing it with the back of the amp in a corner if possible. My Mesa Mark V 1x12 combo sounds 4 times louder than my 2x12 JVM 410C or my EVH with 2x12 cab, because it’s about 2 feet higher off the ground. There’s also the tubes vs solid state thing. A 20 watt tube amp is usually much louder than a solid state amp that claims more than twice the wattage. I much prefer a 1960BV cabinet for fullness of sound, but I’m not lugging that thing to rehearsals. Back before the days of in ear monitors, my band used side wash monitors on both sides of the stage on stands at ear level. When we were playing with multiple other bands using our sound system, they would often say. “This is the first time I’ve ever been able to hear myself and everyone else”.
@@apacheworrier3776 100% angling the cab upwards helps you hear. That doesn’t mean the rest of the band can hear you. To be honest for most people having a band practice the practice spot is usually so small that the drums wash out most of the sound anyways. It very hard for a full band to sound good in. 10x12 room.
JCM 800 full stack and a pointy guitar.
Playing through studio monitors or frfr is just uninspiring. Theres is no experience.
The 4/12 Mesa and 2/12s are some of the best ever made and sounding period. Click Bate. Appreciate You though and know what Your saying
And band mix You forgot about 20 dollar headphone amplifier mixer splitters and stacks still make You look rad
I have some multi fx units and modelers, they are cool and useful in their own right but nothing beats a full tube powered stack to feel the music.
If i was your parent and you’d agree to not get those ear rings (or face tattoos), id let you have a loud cab to annoy me with.
Well it’s good I didn’t really have parents around my whole life because it made me tough and street smart. Good job, nice house, wife and kids and a nice car.
Amp Sims are why most metal production sounds flat and sterile nowadays.
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Real amps are both too expensive and too loud for any apartment I've ever lived in. Anything you plug headphones into sounds awful especially if you don't have good headphones. And modern modeling is far too complex if you, a) aren't already tech savvy and, b) don't already have experience with the real world physical gear it's attempting to simulate. I hate the current state of guitar leaving unable to participate. I've just given up and started playing sll my death metal covers on acoustic. No brain necessary. Just actual playing skills. It sucks but at least I get to actually play guitar and understand what I'm doing.
People have always managed, I had amps in my apartment before I owned a home. There are plenty of way to figure out the floor units on TH-cam, also the owners manual. Buying a unit and messing around with it is part of the fun. There’s no excuse to not play guitar. There are many many options.
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK It's honestly a lot harder than it seems. I've spent the better part of that last 20 years trying to figure this shit on my own with the "help" of youtube and the internet. Also money is a huge limitation. It's all about the $5 yard sale acoustic for me now lol...
Edit: Changed a word.
@@crc9564 hmm I see. I mean honestly sometimes it worth selling the majority of your stuff to get the better item. That’s what I originally did. I know finances can be tight but if you’ve been playing for that long you deserve something nice. Also if you can’t learn from the videos you could always go to a local guitar shop/shops and find a guy who knows what he doing in there to help you
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK Ha, unfortunately one of the last times I "quit" I actually sold and gave everything away and then didn't reinvest any of that money back into guitar or into anything that I now sell. That's also part of the reason for being stuck on a cheapo acoustic now.
I really wish I had had real people to help me along the way and even now. Like I said, I've been doing it all on my own trying to use the internet.
I can't go back in time and change anything or do it differently. I just am where I am now.
I just can't ever seem to fully quit. It's like a bad addiction haha. So now I'm playing (mostly) metal an acoustic lmao
If you're fine playing acoustic then playing on a small practice amp or a big amp with the volume turned down (or attenuated if you have cash) should be an only better option for practicing skills...
The difference between live heavy rock sound in the 70’s-90’s and now is vast. Loud stage volume is the only way to truly make a heavy and room filling atmosphere where everyone in the crowd is fucking punched in the head and gut by the sheer power. Low stage volume and overly clean and sterile controlled sound is for mainstream pop clean musical performances. Period. FTW🖕🏽🔥
I’m not 100% sure what you’re saying but rock on brother 🤙🏻
I laugh when """"men"""" complain about carrying a measly little 10-pound guitar and having to """"haul"""" a petite 100-pound 4x12. I bench triple the latter weight for reps. whatever happened to putting in the effort to achieve a better result. most 1x12s or ir/pa systems sound horrible. if you're on a budget sure whatever. but if you are playing live you should put in more effort
@@andyanvan164 agreed bedroom sure. But I used to practice with my triple rec fullstack inside my shoe box apartment with the master barely on sounded amazing. No complaints from my neighbours
I never said once in any of my videos that i hate carrying 4x12's. what i said was it costs a lot of money to have the weight on an airline or even back of the trailer making you use more gas. As a matter of fact i said i prefer my 4x12.
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK do you have friends buddy? Just borrow their cabs
@@mikeoxlong4588 buddy, something is absolutely wrong with you. Either you’re trolling or you’re actually out of your mind. I couldn’t be more clear.
@@CodyBarnette-GNARK so you don’t have any friends! Gotcha
So as a guy who ditched his "real" rig around 2016 and switched to a Helix Floor, then to a Kemper Powerhead, I'm back to using a "real rig," and here's why. For one, most modelers going into the PA don't have the ability to give you sufficient stage volume, and if you're in the front row, you likely wouldn't normally be able to hear the guitars because the house monitors might be behind your ears. Additionally, when you're playing with a metal drummer blasting away, you won't even be able to hear yourself unless you had the amp close to your ear. I know the powerhead can push a cab plenty effectively, but the Kemper is perfect and that's why it's boring. For the record, my rig these days is a JVM410H going into a Mesa OS 412 with a few pedals and even though it's a bit of a pain in the ass to haul around, I couldn't be happier.
Horizontal 2 by 12 man. Stack em up if you’re bored.
Nothing wrong with that 🤷🏼♂️ I like 2x12’s
When I originally started playing, I has a tiny solid state 15W Ibanez combo with 1x8" speaker. Then I upgraded to a 100W Marshall Valvestate combo with a 1x12" speaker. Then I sold that and went full digital, just using sims on my PC. That's also when my hobby virtually died as a result. I stopped playing. I was always frustrated with how crap it sounds, how difficult it is to use. And sure, I know it's a "me" problem that I don't know how to use it properly, that other people can sound amazing that way. But you know what? I just bought recently a 2x12 100W= tube combo (H&K switchblade, programmable like digital modellers despite being all tube!) and it's the best thing ever. I just need to now buy a Captor X to attenuate it, and another 2x12 cab once I start gigging and stuff. I started playing again and everything is just easy to use and just sounds and feels good, as opposed to what it was when I was gaslighting myself into relying on sims for the sake of budgeting and the alleged convenience at home and so on, that it's my fault they sound bad cause others can make it great and it was only making me depressed, frustrated and demotivated instead of enjoying the hobby. Now I wanna buy a digitech whammy, digitech freqout and a budget rest of pedalboard (like, a bezosboard tier of budget, at least for starts, I even made an amazon wishlist for my wife to have ideas what to get for me for whatever occasions). I considered a Line 6 HX FX multieffect to use with 4CM instead of a pedalboard but then I started seeing all the problems with the processing limitations when you use pitch shifters and feedbackers and realised I was trying to gaslight myself into sims again that oh that should work just as well as a real pedalboard and be cheaper, more convenient. But no. I'm not gonna go down that route again. However, using IRs on Captor X besides miced up combo that I have to mix that later on in the recording sounds like it's gonna be an awesome thing to enhance the sound when mixing demos and stuff... Or on gigs giving the IR'd sound to PA of the venue without bothering to mic up the physical cabs that would be more or just me on the stage... but the main point is that sims are awesome, but as a supplement to physical stuff, not as a replacement. You can achieve with them stuff you can't with physical stuff, but this is a 2 way street and in a lot of ways they are much harder to use and don't feel or sound right without you totally nerding out over all the tiniest parameters that require really extensive knowledge and experience that you could otherwise spend just playing and having none of that barrier to sound and feel the way you want... I say it's best to try to use real stuff and just supplement it with digital stuff for things that go beyond your budget and would be too inconvenient/take up too much space/etc. to have everything physical. One needs to find the best balance that will work for their specific needs and situation and also remember that this may change over time instead of being evangelical about either extreme of analogue vs digital beef.
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all i know is, when playing live, I'll take the head and cab route everytime. If but for the fact that I don't want to battle with the front of house guy at a venue
Sure if I’m playing a small venue or bar but there is a reason almost every major band has an axe fx, kemper, quads cortex or line 6 stuff. Because it works and saves money or traveling cost. Instead of moving hundreds of pounds worth of amps and cabs it’s just a simple floor unit.