Player martian here. I never thought one of my games would be called an EPIC, so thanks Gyle! I think that our team lost because of the lack of teamwork since I wasn't paying attention to the right side. Also the bottom team played really well and their teamwork was much better. If anyone has any advice on what to improve, feel free to comment below. I would love to read it :)
Generally, try to play mostly zoomed out (the best players play zoomed out 90% of the time), this will help a lot with your map awareness. Also with a superior eco and a massively advantageous map state, scouting becomes high priority so you can see what is coming (with that much eco you can easily spam t3 air scouts, not scouting the enemy game ender was your biggest mistake this game). This tip is related to the first, because by being zoomed out a lot, you realize what area of the map lacks intel over time. I assume you also had omni up at a decent time as well, so you can easily see when engineers are clustered around something for instance, so that will tell you that you should scout and have a look. One more thing for late game, is if you have a giant stack of novaxes like that (or the equivalent such as t3 or t4 arty), then the main goal is to just keep those alive and you'll win. Snipe the anti nukes with the novaxes, nuke it, that sort of thing. Otherwise you did great! You were hard carrying the northern team, and they just stole the game away from you due to a few easily fixable mistakes. P.S with a massive eco like that, you generally only need to match the enemy team in experimentals and stay defensive with them while protecting your game ending strategy (in this case, novaxes). It's similar to early game as well in team games, where you only really need just enough t1 and perhaps com upgrades to stay alive and hold your half of the map while hard ecoing back home. In lower ratings as long as you can eco up and balance your eco at the same time (spend at least 50% of your income on making more eco, unless the game will end in 3 minutes or less based on your scouting info), you will hard carry, like you almost did this game.
you played a solid game on your team part tho a bit more defensive turrets in key locastion to by time would have helped you a bit more from mass pushes and maybe walls to slow hard advances
Hi, I am InABlink this game was defiantly one of the most fun games I've ever played. Just because even though both teams made mistakes it was fairly balanced and the trades where good fun! It was even better because no one gave up and CTRL-K everyone just stuck it on both sides that made it a real good game in the end. Martin you where a pain for me the whole game gg dude!
Yes, it had some quite phases but it's an entertaining game and mistakes are a big part of it. Without those mistakes all games would look similar. Also, I really hate when lower players die and some pros take over (damn full share). Here, however, when players are around 1000 rating, they can't fully utilize the extra base, so killing someone does have an impact.
That was super Epic. I remember seeing the Scathis under construction and discarding it: "Game will be long over once it's ready". And it was the only thing capable of ending the game, and end it it did.
For those thinking you may of seen this before, willow's Duality uploaded this match yesterday. Cast#215. Not a dig at Gyle as I am sure this was unintentional.
It's always interesting to see how casters with different styles cover the same game. Like that crazy 1v1 Setons that Gyle and Jagged casted a while back.
That fight was totally unpredictable. Seemed to turn several times. I agree with Martian for mvp. At this level of skill, even if you have similar total mass, it is hard dealing with multiple enemy players at once. Inablink should not be mvp. Even though he had the "winning piece" he totally abandoned his teammates several times. Also I don't think he would even had that at the end if not for the clutch save from Tutenhamoun.
Agreed that while InaBlink did close it out, he also undercut his teammates several times in the mid-game by bugging out of fights that he could have made a crucial difference in, particularly in the air, so I think I'd also go with Martian as MVP. His play was solid throughout and his economy strongly carried T1 through most of the game, even if he didn't quite pull it out in the end.
Hmm 3 cybran vs cyan cybran.... tough to know which team to root for in this one. Wow cant believe that ended like that. What a thrilling match, gg team 2. More Cybran = More good :D
41:00 this runby kills my soul. I was shouting "MOVE! Look at your map!" at the screen and thats when I realised I was rooting for team 1. The biggest misplay for me though was martian having a loaded nuke sub and having SEVEN experimentals clustered right next to it and not firing the nuke. Absolute waste.
I called the Scathys unintentionally, earlier on I was like "man, they should really go for a scathys, that would put a lot of serious pressure on the other team." And low an behold, the Scathys put some serious pressure on the enemy team lol
In relation to why BornToChill never buildt a quantum gateway, is likely because Seraphim are the only faction that don't actually have RAS/ARAS on their SACUs.
Yellow almost lost them the game when he had 2 crabs able to kill Martian's commander, but seemingly just got up from his computer to go make a sandwich instead and left his crabs doing whatever they felt like.
That eastern shipyard started around 17:24. It's visible in the stream 18:31, operational 18:37, destroyed 25:56. The turnaround on the counter wasn't *that* quick.
These uploads always deserve the title of epic game. I really have no doubts that I would have given up three or four times over before they threw in the towel.
I think the logic in not going for the com kills is trying to kill infrastructure instead. In Fullshare games if you kill a Com it doesn't really accomplish too much except put all of their bases in a (presumably) more dangerous player. There's an argument to be made for cutting the team's APM and attention down though.
The problem with that logic is times like when yellow had 2 crabs on Martian's commander, and didn't kill him. BornToChill was effectively out of the game and his Commander was compeletely out of position. Once Martian was dead it would have only been a few minutes before BornToChill followed because of his Commander's position.
lmao. 10 years later and Gyle still hates the cybrans and their walking destroyers and telelazers xD. its cracks me up xD. Good to see you still doing content of this game Gyle. Happy new year!
I have to say. This was the best battle ive seen. These joes were better than most pros. Not saying that to offend anyone. Saying it because it was action packed and got to see alot 9f air engagements, ground engagements. Even a few naval engagements. And was so hard to tell even at the ejd who was going to win. I was hoping T1 took it because they had map control right at the start. But lost it early afterwards. Yellow player made the most of his "lock down" and went ape nuts on the building of decent units to contest. So i have to say. This was a super enjoyable episode. And battles like this is quite few apart. They may have low scores and called out as joes. But they made the most of it. And made this more enjoyable than watching some pro episodes.
Man, anyone else find it crazy how these long games can be balanced on a knife-edge for like an hour, and then something snaps -- and they become these brutal slugfests? This mutually assured destruction base trades?
Not bagging a com when you have the upper advantage isn't an error when full share is on. problem with full share is that sniping a com doesn't always work in your favor.
As for MVP, it's either Brobey or InABlink. Martian massed and massed and massed, but didn't do much with his 1.3k income. He could have built almost everything, but he didn't, he amassed crabs and didn't use them properly.
I was really surprised he did not go with bugs and more air in general. He had such huge production and the other team was doing crabs. though its easy to talk when in observer mode
I usually play against RNGAI. It's a world of difference compared to Sorian. More active with it's commander, doesn't throw away small waves of units (not nearly as much anyways) more map presence, will actively reclaim mass fields. Of course it still isn't really as good at making strategic decisions, but it's pretty decent. I'm a +- 800 rated Joe and if I were to 1v1 on a 10 by 10 map it'll probably win about 20% of the time, just because it's faster at (re)taking mexes across the map, and doesn't forget about macro while microing units. If it's a 20 by 20 map I'll probably lose a lot but I haven't tried.
I feel like Brobey's telemaser could've seen more use. There were more than a few times where a couple spy planes here or there would've revealed an enemy ACU standing out by themself totally devoid of any defenses.
Picture me - thinking that today ill probably be skipping hearing "floaty-floaty, naughty-naughty", just not that kind of day. Deciding to skip the beginning to get closer to t2. Aaaand skipping exactly to 11:24. Hippity hoppity - no escaping that floating
blink also took down the sats earlier... so giving him mvp wouldn't be terrible for that reason either. The biggest issue, was he was donating mass early on.
Brobey: "This sat usage is so fucking gay" Martian: "So is telemazer" SHOTS FIRED, SHOTS FIRED I do have to say though, some parts of this game were painful to watch. So many dumb mistakes from both sides.
This is the type of games I love. It's an absolute epic on a scale that dwarfs Warhammer's siege of Terra. From squads of 5 titans emerging on the beaches, colossus being thrown as regular infantry, gigantic crabs. Pure epicness.
If Martian had used his Megaliths to protect the Novax instead of using them to attack a destroyed base and some fueling stations in the south, he would have easily won.
What an awful and painful match to watch. Team 2 was horrible. They couldn't reclaim, think straight or even build smds while they had time... congrats to team 1 that took the chance :)
I don't think avoiding the com kills is an error, all you're doing killing coms early is doubling someone's income. People never really work as a team in these casts, so it's better to let them duplicate effort and move in opposing directions. Better to just cripple their economy and let human nature cause chaos until it's time to go in for the final kill.
This game waa filled with SO MUCH CARNAGE. So many clutch plays and plannings + SO many missplays. Either side coulve lost and won if they noticed certain things.
Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick Gyle. INABLINK CLEARLY IS THE MVP. Martian had twice the economy of his opponents and it was all given to him. He couldn't even wipe Vexy off of the map when he took out his base. He lost that to a freaking gunther installation. He was absolutely the WORST player in the game. Blink went up the right side and completely emasculated his opponent in the NE corner and also was instrumental in taking air control back throughout the game which had been quite clearly the strong point of team 1 for the vast majority of the game. InaBlink carried his team like few before have and you give your MVP to the freaking potato of the game??????
Its a hard game to play when you can build anything you want, any time. You still have to pay for it though. I don't recommend actually playing like this but perhaps try playing a game and only give build orders for things you have mass in the pool to build. Doing that helps you get an intuitive sense for what things cost and eventually you can manage to keep things running on a low negative number. Not that im a pro or anything. I just know what helped me and that constantly being smart and thinking of a thing to build to stop or counter what they could do is what puts you in those -300 situations. When you see people make mistakes and think, oh i could have countered that with this. They probably did have the thought but also knew they could not afford to change production direction.
Around 40 minutes, orange has a great torp run on light blue, I wanted to badly know on how much hp he survived that. Ofc Gyle missed the whole action, as usual :D
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Player martian here. I never thought one of my games would be called an EPIC, so thanks Gyle! I think that our team lost because of the lack of teamwork since I wasn't paying attention to the right side. Also the bottom team played really well and their teamwork was much better. If anyone has any advice on what to improve, feel free to comment below. I would love to read it :)
Clone yourself 3 times. The only way to beat 3 cybrans is with 4 cybrans :)
you cant be mature and open to feedback! this is the internet!
With that out of my system i am going to retire to a russian bot farm.
Generally, try to play mostly zoomed out (the best players play zoomed out 90% of the time), this will help a lot with your map awareness. Also with a superior eco and a massively advantageous map state, scouting becomes high priority so you can see what is coming (with that much eco you can easily spam t3 air scouts, not scouting the enemy game ender was your biggest mistake this game). This tip is related to the first, because by being zoomed out a lot, you realize what area of the map lacks intel over time. I assume you also had omni up at a decent time as well, so you can easily see when engineers are clustered around something for instance, so that will tell you that you should scout and have a look.
One more thing for late game, is if you have a giant stack of novaxes like that (or the equivalent such as t3 or t4 arty), then the main goal is to just keep those alive and you'll win. Snipe the anti nukes with the novaxes, nuke it, that sort of thing.
Otherwise you did great! You were hard carrying the northern team, and they just stole the game away from you due to a few easily fixable mistakes.
P.S with a massive eco like that, you generally only need to match the enemy team in experimentals and stay defensive with them while protecting your game ending strategy (in this case, novaxes). It's similar to early game as well in team games, where you only really need just enough t1 and perhaps com upgrades to stay alive and hold your half of the map while hard ecoing back home. In lower ratings as long as you can eco up and balance your eco at the same time (spend at least 50% of your income on making more eco, unless the game will end in 3 minutes or less based on your scouting info), you will hard carry, like you almost did this game.
Damn you gave us a hard time! Well played (I'm Brobey)! It was a fun game to play for sure!
you played a solid game on your team part tho a bit more defensive turrets in key locastion to by time would have helped you a bit more from mass pushes and maybe walls to slow hard advances
Note that Vexy couldn't get his ships out of that pond because it wasn't pathable (deep enough).
but why did cruise missiles refused to launch? that was by far the bigger problem
@@512TheWolf512 aeon cruisers are just anti air
Hi, I am InABlink this game was defiantly one of the most fun games I've ever played. Just because even though both teams made mistakes it was fairly balanced and the trades where good fun! It was even better because no one gave up and CTRL-K everyone just stuck it on both sides that made it a real good game in the end. Martin you where a pain for me the whole game gg dude!
Yes, it had some quite phases but it's an entertaining game and mistakes are a big part of it. Without those mistakes all games would look similar. Also, I really hate when lower players die and some pros take over (damn full share). Here, however, when players are around 1000 rating, they can't fully utilize the extra base, so killing someone does have an impact.
I can only imagine how annoyed Vexy must have been upon finding out that strait was impassable XD
That was super Epic. I remember seeing the Scathis under construction and discarding it: "Game will be long over once it's ready". And it was the only thing capable of ending the game, and end it it did.
Perfect timing. I was just thinking what to do this evening.
Gyle posts an Epic - "Yup, that's evening plans sorted"
For those thinking you may of seen this before, willow's Duality uploaded this match yesterday. Cast#215. Not a dig at Gyle as I am sure this was unintentional.
It's always interesting to see how casters with different styles cover the same game. Like that crazy 1v1 Setons that Gyle and Jagged casted a while back.
i saw Willows Cast Yesterday, was thinking the same thing when i saw GYLE-Cast this morning,, still watched both :)
I was just thinking that XD
That fight was totally unpredictable. Seemed to turn several times.
I agree with Martian for mvp. At this level of skill, even if you have similar total mass, it is hard dealing with multiple enemy players at once.
Inablink should not be mvp. Even though he had the "winning piece" he totally abandoned his teammates several times. Also I don't think he would even had that at the end if not for the clutch save from Tutenhamoun.
Agreed that while InaBlink did close it out, he also undercut his teammates several times in the mid-game by bugging out of fights that he could have made a crucial difference in, particularly in the air, so I think I'd also go with Martian as MVP. His play was solid throughout and his economy strongly carried T1 through most of the game, even if he didn't quite pull it out in the end.
@@Vastin Better than Flesch at least, who totally missed two potential com kills. Tho tbf to him, he was still very actively fighting
Hmm 3 cybran vs cyan cybran.... tough to know which team to root for in this one.
Wow cant believe that ended like that. What a thrilling match, gg team 2. More Cybran = More good :D
The Megalith stood up in the intro. Such a rare occurance.
Yay!
41:00 this runby kills my soul. I was shouting "MOVE! Look at your map!" at the screen and thats when I realised I was rooting for team 1. The biggest misplay for me though was martian having a loaded nuke sub and having SEVEN experimentals clustered right next to it and not firing the nuke. Absolute waste.
LOVE watching FAF Love listening to you gyle. I did stop watching for a while but fully back and every video watched again lol
I called the Scathys unintentionally, earlier on I was like "man, they should really go for a scathys, that would put a lot of serious pressure on the other team." And low an behold, the Scathys put some serious pressure on the enemy team lol
In relation to why BornToChill never buildt a quantum gateway, is likely because Seraphim are the only faction that don't actually have RAS/ARAS on their SACUs.
>"good afternoon"
>uploads near midnight
What an excellent easter gift! An Epic cast by our favourite Supreme Commander.
I have never played this game but for some reason its the perfect thing to study to. Keep them coming!!
The big battle at the center, Gyle studies in detail a close-up of the upgrade on the commander...
Yellow almost lost them the game when he had 2 crabs able to kill Martian's commander, but seemingly just got up from his computer to go make a sandwich instead and left his crabs doing whatever they felt like.
That eastern shipyard started around 17:24. It's visible in the stream 18:31, operational 18:37, destroyed 25:56. The turnaround on the counter wasn't *that* quick.
an 8 minute turnaround in faf isn't bad considering the travel time and building tank
These uploads always deserve the title of epic game. I really have no doubts that I would have given up three or four times over before they threw in the towel.
so...about that custom AI link Gyle?
Damn, that was a throw-down. Great match by all involved and really fun to watch.
That was a truly epic fight guys, well played and thanks Gyle for the great broadcast. Had me on the edge of my seat for most of the way through.
I think the logic in not going for the com kills is trying to kill infrastructure instead. In Fullshare games if you kill a Com it doesn't really accomplish too much except put all of their bases in a (presumably) more dangerous player. There's an argument to be made for cutting the team's APM and attention down though.
That argument mainly holds for games featuring teams with very low and very high rated players playing together. Not the case here.
The problem with that logic is times like when yellow had 2 crabs on Martian's commander, and didn't kill him. BornToChill was effectively out of the game and his Commander was compeletely out of position. Once Martian was dead it would have only been a few minutes before BornToChill followed because of his Commander's position.
That is a great match to be watched second time!
We got a Willow and Gyle version!
lmao. 10 years later and Gyle still hates the cybrans and their walking destroyers and telelazers xD. its cracks me up xD. Good to see you still doing content of this game Gyle. Happy new year!
I saw this game yesterday and it was epic then...and it's still epic now.
my days my guy at 27 minutes is watching engis build a base when theres an epic battle in mid going onnnnn!! the pain of missing out
Wow, I looked back at this game and I had no idea that the scathis can pack up and move!
Wowee what an awesome ending that was, fantastic play from Martian and InaBlink.
Hah! Feels good to see your full intro again. ^^ Slow game, but the end was way worth it. Keep 'em coming, big ol`Gyle! :D
I have to say. This was the best battle ive seen. These joes were better than most pros. Not saying that to offend anyone. Saying it because it was action packed and got to see alot 9f air engagements, ground engagements. Even a few naval engagements. And was so hard to tell even at the ejd who was going to win.
I was hoping T1 took it because they had map control right at the start. But lost it early afterwards. Yellow player made the most of his "lock down" and went ape nuts on the building of decent units to contest.
So i have to say. This was a super enjoyable episode. And battles like this is quite few apart. They may have low scores and called out as joes. But they made the most of it. And made this more enjoyable than watching some pro episodes.
I think this is the first time I've ever seen a video "posted 22 seconds ago." youtube recs are weird
it keeps happening all the time if you're too often here and have too many subs 😂😂
Such an awesome video Gyle!! This was probably my favorite video you’ve made!
actually happy to have heard your dog. :) Best SupCom match I've seen. thank you for you and the players!
Man, anyone else find it crazy how these long games can be balanced on a knife-edge for like an hour, and then something snaps -- and they become these brutal slugfests? This mutually assured destruction base trades?
4/5s of the map was wasteland by the end of the game. I like ^^
GG guys, really nice game!
Not bagging a com when you have the upper advantage isn't an error when full share is on. problem with full share is that sniping a com doesn't always work in your favor.
21:45 - he said "not passable - gg" ... lol
Amazing cast as usual! Thanks man!
Gyle, someone has to say it. You're awesome!
1:04:45 That has to be the WORST exp push I've ever seen, lmao. He got nuthin out of that one.
Epic, chaotic, uncoordinated, gotto love average Joe matches
Those five chickens that got wasted on the sand bar would have come in handy for the base defense.
I quite liked the simple logo starts.
As for MVP, it's either Brobey or InABlink. Martian massed and massed and massed, but didn't do much with his 1.3k income. He could have built almost everything, but he didn't, he amassed crabs and didn't use them properly.
I was really surprised he did not go with bugs and more air in general. He had such huge production and the other team was doing crabs. though its easy to talk when in observer mode
That was an amazing game.
Vexy (Ravinshing Red)'s navy was trapped in the tiny pond by map gen fail. They were discussing it in the chat.
I usually play against RNGAI. It's a world of difference compared to Sorian. More active with it's commander, doesn't throw away small waves of units (not nearly as much anyways) more map presence, will actively reclaim mass fields.
Of course it still isn't really as good at making strategic decisions, but it's pretty decent. I'm a +- 800 rated Joe and if I were to 1v1 on a 10 by 10 map it'll probably win about 20% of the time, just because it's faster at (re)taking mexes across the map, and doesn't forget about macro while microing units. If it's a 20 by 20 map I'll probably lose a lot but I haven't tried.
I feel like Brobey's telemaser could've seen more use. There were more than a few times where a couple spy planes here or there would've revealed an enemy ACU standing out by themself totally devoid of any defenses.
It's insane how time stands still in this game... 30 minutes feels like a year...
Picture me - thinking that today ill probably be skipping hearing "floaty-floaty, naughty-naughty", just not that kind of day. Deciding to skip the beginning to get closer to t2. Aaaand skipping exactly to 11:24. Hippity hoppity - no escaping that floating
Wow awesome match
Well done Gyle :-)
Thank you!
Pass 8AIX vs 4 easy AI and you..Good luck... it can be done..
an awesome video!
1:01:20 that gc just tractored some air units 😅
blink also took down the sats earlier... so giving him mvp wouldn't be terrible for that reason either. The biggest issue, was he was donating mass early on.
Brobey: "This sat usage is so fucking gay"
Martian: "So is telemazer"
SHOTS FIRED, SHOTS FIRED
I do have to say though, some parts of this game were painful to watch. So many dumb mistakes from both sides.
i know supcom fatigue will have set in but there was alot of silly mistakes by martian late to fumble that game
white focus on his side and completely ignoring his ally being annihilated, as well as yellow push into his base, was a horrible mistake
21:20 why you miss the action in the airbase at the bottom....
MeatEater is a more gentile way of saying carnivour which would be FleischFresser also that one might just be taken ^^
What a beautiful sight
Ah, looks like a game I have already seen from Willow.
Ever seen the game Beyond All Reason? It is just like this, free online pvp. Not sure which one i like more aha
Pretty crazy game
WTF ! Scatis can move ??
This is the type of games I love. It's an absolute epic on a scale that dwarfs Warhammer's siege of Terra. From squads of 5 titans emerging on the beaches, colossus being thrown as regular infantry, gigantic crabs. Pure epicness.
siege of terra was this big at one section of the wall lmao
Isn't a wet dock just a dock?
If Martian had used his Megaliths to protect the Novax instead of using them to attack a destroyed base and some fueling stations in the south, he would have easily won.
Epic AF.
Is this the original supreme commander or forged alliance?
21:21 he's not allowing it, he literally can't, read the chat man heh
crazy game 😆
what a game
Yea saw this one 🤙
I like how they complain about Sat's when they telesniped haha
is there a group of peopel i can play this game with
What an awful and painful match to watch. Team 2 was horrible. They couldn't reclaim, think straight or even build smds while they had time... congrats to team 1 that took the chance :)
I don't think avoiding the com kills is an error, all you're doing killing coms early is doubling someone's income. People never really work as a team in these casts, so it's better to let them duplicate effort and move in opposing directions. Better to just cripple their economy and let human nature cause chaos until it's time to go in for the final kill.
44:06 u missed a torp bomber snipe attempt
This game waa filled with SO MUCH CARNAGE. So many clutch plays and plannings + SO many missplays. Either side coulve lost and won if they noticed certain things.
ah! ah! ah!........ awww ending
Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick Gyle. INABLINK CLEARLY IS THE MVP. Martian had twice the economy of his opponents and it was all given to him. He couldn't even wipe Vexy off of the map when he took out his base. He lost that to a freaking gunther installation. He was absolutely the WORST player in the game. Blink went up the right side and completely emasculated his opponent in the NE corner and also was instrumental in taking air control back throughout the game which had been quite clearly the strong point of team 1 for the vast majority of the game.
InaBlink carried his team like few before have and you give your MVP to the freaking potato of the game??????
Flesheater dying really boned Team 1.
I love you gyle but it triggers me so hard when you see a battle about to kick off then you move your attention away from it lol
1:01:18 lol colossus sucking in planes
PLEASE use the split screen feature HEAPS MORE, worst comes to worst, it allows the viewers to see more action elsewhere
Meanwhile I'm getting dominated by normal AI because I suck at eco
*nervously laughs in -300 mass
Its a hard game to play when you can build anything you want, any time. You still have to pay for it though.
I don't recommend actually playing like this but perhaps try playing a game and only give build orders for things you have mass in the pool to build. Doing that helps you get an intuitive sense for what things cost and eventually you can manage to keep things running on a low negative number. Not that im a pro or anything.
I just know what helped me and that constantly being smart and thinking of a thing to build to stop or counter what they could do is what puts you in those -300 situations. When you see people make mistakes and think, oh i could have countered that with this. They probably did have the thought but also knew they could not afford to change production direction.
This was cast by Willow already yesterday.
Thanks anyway for the effort.
inablink mvp for sure because 3 crab novax clear
The game got sooo much better since the meta became full share...
Novak Satellites are so obnoxious lol.
gg
1080p :(
Around 40 minutes, orange has a great torp run on light blue, I wanted to badly know on how much hp he survived that. Ofc Gyle missed the whole action, as usual :D
first hour was slow and boring , the last 30 minutes was good though