Single dad of four adpoted kids roaming around in a bathrobe all the time and devoting his life to physical and spiritual fitness? THAT didn't code as gay to people already?
You would if a character was previously gay and then was straight in the latest iteration. Then it would be a crime against humanity and the reason for harassment campaigns against the creators and a boycott.
@@foristrothbert568 it's as if changing a character from a minority and marginalised group to a non marginalised group is a problem or something and different from the opposite for various reasons (representation, eraser, normally if they're a minority or marginalised group it has soke importance to the character, unlike with straight, cis, white, male characters, takes roles away from actors who already have less work, etc).
@@charlestownsend9280 but you wouldn’t like it, that’s kind of the point. Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t happen, if someone did that to a character you liked you would have a problem with it.
@@mistercard3599 not really, I didn't care when the doctor became a woman (although the reasons against that were even more stupid than usual, they're a shape-shifting alien) or when they made superman black or when they changed several characters in the mcu to female or from white to different ethnicities. If it doesn't matter to the character I don't really care if they do it, it doesn't change who the character is and adds more diversity and creates opportunities for actors who get less roles (because the vast majority of characters are straight, cis, white and male). It's only problem if it changes something about their character (which is rare as being white or straight or cis or male isn't normally that big an aspect for most characters, probably something to do with not being an oppressed minority or marginalised group who are constantly having their rights attacked and various other things, which leaves their lives and experiences not really being shaped as much by the fact that they are part of those groups of people), I can think of a couple of characters that would be a problem for. Or if it were the other way around (for previously mentioned reasons). So if it changes nothing about the character and adds more diversity and roles for actors (notbto mention potentially more story options, as you now have potential issues faced by those various groups that can be added to the story or character) what is the problem? Changing the one non white, straight, cis, male character and changing one of the many white, straight, cis, male characters are two very different things. One completely removes an entire group from being represented and the other doesn't.
So let me get this straight: what makes it gross isn't that he's kissing a cockroach- you know, the most disgusting creature in the entire planet- but that he's kissing a cockroach that might also be male? Smh, people are ao weird.
@@selfbiased1860 I know, right? Reminds me of people whining about black dwarves on Rings Of Power on the "logic" of "but Middle-Earth is supposed to be prehistoric Europe." Because they can suspend disbelief about a fictional version of prehistoric Europe that contains elves, orcs, uru-khai, dragons, wraith, ents, talking trees, giant talking spiders and giant talking eagles, but not black people. 😄
Ironically, Splinter was more gay in the previous Rise series, in that after previous villain Draxum loses his powers and begins his redemption arc, he becomes the Turtles' second father figure, alongside Splinter. With the two occasionally acting like an old married couple. 😂
I was surprised the whole "anti woke" hate train skipped the blue beetle movie. Id much rather have it fly under the radar cause i got a whole theater to myself in one of my viewings
Honestly i doubt the grifter channels know much about history to pick up on the School of the Americas reference. Or any other anti-Imperialist references for the matter
some people bitched about George Lopez's character calling Batman a "fascist" in the trailer but once the actual movie came out the backlash seemed to vanish.
@jacksonteller3973 I remember that. So strange that imaginary people can't even have opinions on the fake world they live in without causing an uproar with the so called "free speech" crowd
It's because no one cares about the movie or at least not enough do. Remember, these pissants' traffic is utterly dependent on trashing the popular thing of the moment. Blue Beetle was nothing but a final vestige of the disgraced DCEU.
My answer to the question of "Why do they want to be the bad guy?" is simple: Money. That's where the money is and that's all they care about. If they can get clicks, views, ad revenue, donations, subscriptions, merch sales and more for being the worst version of themselves they can portray, it's done. Whether they actually believe anything they say is irrelevant, it's a message that either someone out there wants to hear and will support them for OR someone out there will use it to create their own content to call them out on it. And even if you do call them out on it - and I'm not saying not to - they STILL win because there will be people who go seek out the original content for context or just pure curiosity. Maybe there's an underlying agenda or a belief of some kind behind hateful content creation, but even if there is it doesn't actually matter to them because they can always just change directions on a dime. And even FOR a dime. It's just about greed, period.
Good video, but the beeps in the cuts were super distracting with how often they happened. If you do this again, I would just prefer you do the cut without any noise
Sigh... one of the things that make watching these difficult is when Bob brings to light the flaws of people in the movie industry. Often, they'll be someone I've no idea who they are, but some times, like with Jackie, it makes me lose somthing. I have accepted this, and I know I'd rather be told the facts and feel bad than like and be ignorant of the flaws. Keep up the good work Bob.
Bob is slightly wrong on this. Jackie Chan did not cut off his daughter because she was lesbian. Jackie Chan was never in his daughter's life in the first place because she is the result of an affair Chan had, cheating on the woman who is still his wife. He never acknowledged her in the first place. That interview the daughter gave was about how the family who raised her cut her off for being lesbian. So, Jackie Chan is absolutely a piece of shit, just a different kind of piece of shit.
From what I can find it's not entirely true - it appears that Jackie Chan didn't disown his daughter because she is gay; he couldn't because he's never had any contact with her at all and effectively disowned her before she was even born, so kind of an arsehole, but for a different reason. As for his opinions on LGBTQ+ people, I couldn't find anything particularly informative either way.
Also, considering Jackie did grow up in mid 20th century China, it would be much more surprising if he were NOT culturally conservative. Even Hong Kong wasn't really what one would call "liberal."
@@edwardphilibin3151 very true, same deal with Michelle Rodriguez, given that she grew up in a Jehovas Witness(which isn't exactly a religion that's known for being progressive) family some of her statements haven't been surprising as that's probably exactly what she was taught for her whole life.
It’s funny because Splinter wasn’t even gay. But I also think Splinter is hiding his true origins from the turtles. But after Mr “FUCKING PRONOUNS!” Became a meme, I’d like to think we’re growing tired of rage bait guys looking for stuff to get mad about for clicks.
"But I also think Splinter is hiding his true origins from the turtles." People kept saying this about Splinter's origin in the first Michael Bay movie. Like his origin was so stupid that they had to be more to it to be expanded on in the sequel. To me it's even less likely to be corrected here than in that series because they are not going to a Japanese character (or a character heavily steeped in Japanese culture) be voiced by Jackie Chan.
Is it worse to be pretending? There's no difference. As Kurt Vonnegut said in Mother Night "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be."
April O'Neill debate: "How am I supposed to masturbate over a realistically-proportioned female character with a skin tone I don't personally find attractive...?!?" Splinter debate: "I'm so angry that sexual preferences other than my own exist that I scour geek news about nostalgia-cartoon movies which were made _specifically to pander to my demographic_ to find things to get angry about."
He kissed a cockroach! ... Ok.. The cockroach is also male ...ARRRGHGHGHGH. But yes, the fact they only had a surface understanding of the situation shows that they are just angry fake grifters for a very sad, very specific audience.
I’m grateful we have an honest to goodness tnmt adaptation that’s explicitly cartoony and weird and leans into the comedy with out a heavy focus on the foot clan. Not that other adaptions haven’t had their merits but this was really great.
People have been trying to adapt TMNT in that way since the early days of the 80s animated series. It never really works and if we're honest it didn't really work here, it's box office is shockingly low...not a measure of quality sure but suggests that this isn't what the general public want this property to be. There's always been a small but vocal contingent that want TMNT to be a pure comedy but it's appeal has always been the action/adventure genre with an emphasis on martial arts. Now we've gotten the second TMNT movie in a row to this (and the second that flopped) can we start approaching this the way that has consistently worked for the franchise.
seeing how much you've grown as a critic, analyst, cultural interpreter, and even overall PERSON over the course of this channel's history has been a genuine treat.
Funnily enough, Scumbug *does* have a voice actor, because of course *somebody* has to be making those goofy monster sounds, and it *is* a dude: Alex Hirsch (probably best known as Grunkle Stan from Gravity Falls) 😂
9:30 I really don't think there's a sadder variation on this whole sad trend than when it's a bunch of guys sitting around whining about how a female character isn't hot enough for them. It's just so mindlessly entitled.
Entitled doesn't even begin to cover it. The movie is made for kids, not 35-45 year old man-children that clutch their pearls and whine and bitch if a female character in a movie or show isn't their ideal. Their ideal being typically white, busty, tall, thin, cool but not so cool that she doesn't need saving all the time and she'd better not become a heroine who saves the big strong manly man.
@@glenngriffon8032 Yes, but make a game involving wizards and the creator is guilty of wrongthink and watch the entitlement of a group of people who dox, harass, and send death and rape threats to people who play the game online, all while considering themselves "the good guys."
@@foristrothbert568, standing up to villains and "bad guys" doesn't, in turn, make someone the "bad guys." Bullying trans people is NOT something "good guys" do, so your little wizard game involved "bad guys" in its creation. We *can* agree to disagree about meaningless things like Best Ice Cream Flavor, Best Musician/Band, or (just to connect back to the piece of media this video is related to) Favorite Ninja Turtle, buuuut, believing/suggesting that someone deserves to be treated with less dignity for aaaany of that person's *inherent* traits...well, that *is* bigotry. And it's something *nobody* should stand for or turn a blind eye to, nor is it a topic where a person is simply *entitled* to their opinion (See above examples of *non*-bigoted topics of disagreement).
@@glenngriffon8032 Funny enough, my ideal lady is a solid 5 foot, built like a gymnast detective, and saved her wizard not-boyfriend from an evil troll by using a chainsaw.
9:30 "she not appealing to look at." Neither are you. Also why does she need to be appealing? Why do they need to be attracted to an animated child? This is the she-ra reactionary nonsense all over again
I found her attractive, I think when those asshats say that what they actually mean is "we hate that she's black but we don't want to sound TOO outwardly racists so we'll just make shit up and say we hate her cause she's not attractive"
I suspect a lot of what is wrong with the world comes from people that never questions why they themselves do or feel things. In this particular circunstance, those guys found cartoon teenagers attractive when they where 13 so they assumed "attractive to me specifically" is a requirement that all cartoon teenagers should fullfill forever
@@Mario_Angel_Medina yeah that's just plain weird, as someone who's into rule 34 I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about being attracted to cartoon characters so long as you don't go crazy over it, but when you start attacking a movie for it and attacking the filmmakers for not catering just to your fetishes that's all kinds of messed up.
I saw more weird outrage about the turtles being black teenagers from New York than Splinter being gay. Good to see that there's part of the internet chucklefucks I'm unaware of
I remember seeing an interview where Kevin Eastman said he wanted every iteration of Ninja Turtles to be completely different. So the character history argument doesnt even hold up. It could of been George Takei playing a rat in a rainbow thong and still been true to the artists vision.
from what I gather Chan was never in his daughter's life to begin with, had nothing to do with her being gay, her being the product of an affair he had that tarnished his image is why he's not reached out to her.
I like when the guy says the new April isn't appealing to look at, then scrolls past an action figure of old April whose proportions are so fucked she barely looks like a human being.
@@esimonsays14Let me guys, they have the voice of a girl. For some reason all those people have. Which is fine but don't be a misogynistic because of it.
@@kailebdv I feel more funny then sick, as everytime I doubt myself I remember that those pathetic losers exists and that no matter what i'll never be as bad as them.
out of character? He has never had a partner in any previous iteration that I have seen. He could have been gay the whole time, but wow what a stupid concern this is all is.
@@themanofmovies8104I was actually wondering if he’d ever been shown with any romantic interests at all at any point. Haven’t really kept up with the franchise over the decades but I always got the impression that kind of thing just wasn’t on his radar, at least not post-mutation.
His name is Robert Storms, who started off okay before going incel for the money. Not speculation on my part, BTW, as he flat-out admitted it in a livestream. I dropped his channel right after that.
It's funny. While waiting for episode drops from Ashoka, I recently finished a binge of all the Star Wars shows and series I'd fallen behind on, mostly for work or life related issues. Rebels, Bad Batch, The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Obi-Wan, etc. And now, having caught up completely and having a full top down view of the post Disney purchase Star Wars, I legit found myself asking a similar question. What, exactly, has been the big deal? Yeah, taken as the whole the Sequel trilogy has some flaws and is kind of disjointed. Yeah, Obi-Wan feels a little gratuitous. And yeah, I still think Solo would have faired better as a Lando movie and Leia's corvette shouldn't have been physically present at the Battle of Skariff in Rogue One. But the rest? The rest was fun. Was entertaining. Was weird and wonderful and moving and exciting and fun and...well, everything I've loved about Star Wars since I was drawing X-Wings and TIE fighters in kindergarten. What, exactly, was there in all of it that has some folks so bent out of shape or crying "RUINED FOREVER!!!1!" that isn't either so trivial its easy to overlook or wasn't also a "problem" when Lucas did it? I'm literally as old as the franchise itself and been a fan of it as long as I've been alive. And I not only love the hell out of a lot of the new stuff, I wish we had it when I was growing up. Hell, I'm writing this waiting for the latest episode for Ashoka to release and honestly looking forward to it. Yet as I do you've got folks on social media ragging on a series that isn't even finished it for what can only be described as the stupidest or reasons and acting like it's mere existence is blight on humanity. Meanwhile, I'm still grinning like an idiot over that Rancor vs War Droid fight in Book of Boba Fett that looked like something straight out of a King Kong movie and clawing at the walls waiting for the next season of Bad Batch. But you hit the nail on the head and openly articulated something that's been cooking in the back of my mind for a while. Given how virulent, vicious, intense and in a lot of cases petty so much of the "criticism" levelled against...well, just about any geek or nerd properly has been from the...less than enlightened corners of the fandoms and internet has been, what exactly did any of those folks ever actually LIKE about the various properties or franchises in the first place? And if, by your estimation, recent incarnations are failing to do it for you anymore, why are you still here? It becomes more and more evident that so many of these "critiques" have absolutely nothing to do with the actual quality or content of the show, movie, or franchise in question and seem to be more a reflection of the viewer's own hang-ups, dysfunction and personality problems. And it's both sobering and depressing to see so many others giving them headspace and credence.
To understand this, I think we need to make a distinction between the major voices of this movement and the people who repeat/retweet/etc those opinions. The "thought leaders" of this are people who do it to make money. Some of them may be true believers. But many of them are people who are doing it to make money. They have these takes because they're courting an audience that is hungry for these takes. And they got stuck with this audience *because* they would give them these takes. This causes them to both radicalize their audience and are radicalized *by* their audience. Each time a new piece of "woke" media comes out, they are required to have a harder take than the last one. And this turns off any potential audience who don't want that, so their only fans are the worst people. If you are an outrage merchant, if your job is to sell people on the idea that *something* is wrong in society... what else can you do? You have outrage to sell, and you can't keep selling the same outrage. It has to be *more* outrageous. As for the followers, I believe a lot of them have a degree of internet brain poisoning. I encountered this myself with The Last Jedi. I like this movie. I enjoyed watching it. It has some *significant* flaws, but it's engaging in various places and has an ending I absolutely adore. But I can't watch it anymore. Why? Because when I do, I have the opinions of a thousand assholes rattling around in my brain nit-picking every Goddamn scene. I remember what it was like to watch the film unspoiled by their thoughts, but that's in the past now. These people have functionally made me incapable of enjoying a thing that I find enjoyable. Now, consider someone who maybe didn't find TLJ to be as enjoyable. Maybe it didn't click with that person, or the cons simply outweighed the pros. Overall, they might consider it subpar absent any other people's opinions. Now, add in the essentially inescapable cacophony of negativity around the film. What would happen to that persons' opinions about the film? Well, a merely subpar film now becomes *RUINED FOREVER!* And now, that person starts wanting some answers as to *why* this thing they'd been waiting for for 2 years was not just subpar, but completely terrible. And boy, do those "thought leaders" have some reasons as to why this happened. I mean sure, those reasons sound a bit silly and some are even vaguely bigoted. But they are reasons, and nobody else can explain it. That's one way people start down this path: the internet takes average or sub-par media and makes you feel like it's the worst film you've ever seen. As for why they're still here? That's obvious: they feel entitled to have their tastes catered to. They feel like Star Wars must be exactly what *they* want it to be. At all times. In the minds of many long-time fans, they are the ones who *built* the Star Wars franchise. They are the ones who *deserve* to have new media made for them. So if Star Wars isn't doing it for them, then clearly something is wrong with Star Wars.
I've never understood the criticism either. Whether its Star Wars, Star Trek, X-Men, or any other geek property, its politics are inherently left leaning. Its baked into the premises. I've never understood what Right Wingers like about any of it outside of incidental shit thats not core to the media.
@@frankm.2850 And that is, perhaps, the most toxic and poisonous effect of all this. That it makes some of us start to hate the things we do enjoy. Not necessarily because of any inherent flaws or problems with the media itself. As alluded to earlier, I am well aware that the Sequels, and even Star Wars in general for that matter, are not and never will be perfect. And in most regards I can overlook those hiccups and stumbles in favor of where it does things well or right. TLJ is, thematically and narratively, perhaps the strongest of the three films. Yeah, Canto Bight (though a pretty good sequence unto itself making the "hive of scum and villainy" be a glitzy, sleezy Vegas knock off rather than a seedy backwater port) feels a little superfluous and the set up for it could have been better. But having an old, grizzled Luke forced to finally face what actually occurred between him and Ben? Told Rashomon style till he practically has to have the truth beaten out of him? Because all these years he's been blaming himself for his own moment of weakness and screw up? Yeah, that's some of the best character and story work Star Wars has done in a long time (in the movies at least) and it still hits me hard. As does his confronting Kylo in the end yeah, that final shot? The kid pulling the broom to him with the force? What a great coda. Drives home the overall point of the film. That things are bad, the heroes of the past either can't or won't save us, and it's up to us no matter who we are to stand up to face them. Yet the dominating voices "criticizing" the film squawk about Rey being a "Mary Sue" or how Disney "Ruined Luke" or how much Rose "sucks" or a dozen and one other banal, empty headed BS reasons to crap on the film that...actually have nothing to do with the film itself. It's why, for the sake of my own sanity and enjoyment, I do everything I can to tune out anyone who uses any variation on "woke", "Kathleen Kennedy" or "continuity/canon" as their criticism. To me, it's the tip off that not only were they never actually "fans" in the first place. But they are using Star Wars (or any geek/nerd property for that matter) as the whipping boy for their own personality problems and issues with the world.
Quick reminder that April is supposed to be 15 in this movie, so she’s just a little kid, so stop sexualizing her, please. No, she doesn’t need to be “hot” because she’s freaking 15 years old, kids are just kids.
Bob, I completely love your work and the amount of insanity you have to face to produce these videos. I really cannot fathom how can anyone be upset about the possibility of a cartoon rat being gay
I think the one that gets me the most is the "Splinter has always been a father/mentor figure." Because neither of those roles require someone to be straight. Like, what even is the argument here?
from what I heard he didn't abandon her for being gay, he was never in her life from the beginning, that whole "gay" thing seems like a tabloid story with about as much credibility as the Daily Mail or the New York Post. So Chan is guilty of being a deadbeat dad which ain't great but he's not a bigot that we know of at least.
It's obvious that these guys, commenting on the "attractiveness" of an animated character, is top tier oblivious. I know they are just so impressed by their "hot take" and that they are really "sticking it" to the movie creators and it's just sad. Like not even funny sad. It's that sad where you are really concerned for their wellbeing and are wondering if a wellness checkup is required.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that these people are complaining about a 16 year old girl not being sexy enough. That's disgustingly creepy.
I find her sexy and I think they are trying to cover for their own racism. I've seen how people on sites like Paheal talk about this sort of thing and it's usually rooted in bigotry, just look at comments of pictures of the Velma from the new show and you'll see.
@@Launchpad05 Lizzo is attractive I fail to see what the problem is, BTW you haven't earned the right to name yourself after a cartoon character who is a way better person then you'll ever be loser catch u next tuesday.
Im sorry, how can you watch a movie that was THAT FUN and had without a doubt some of the best fight scenes Ive seen since .... well into the Spiderverse. The "no diggity" fight montage was without a doubt the coolest thing I have ever seen onscreen. How can you walk away from that and be sour because of a 10 second gag and "this 16 year old is unfuckable!".
@@jimballard1186 Some like Shadiversity were doing pretty standard content before suddenly changing into trash (not watched that channel since he got surgery)
I both love and hate taht "What is more important to our culture than the joker" clip remains relevant all these years later. Edit: Also, that they're reheating the leftovers of the Rise of the TMNT "outrage" over Black April, after the co-creator came out and confessed that April was ALWAYS biracial, that just wasn't important enough to their identity to make it into early adaptations is kinda funny? Though. Look, I'm not faulting anyone for cartoon crushes. Every generation has a couple cartoon characters that awoke something in a LOT of people. Late 80s/early 90s, you could do worse. That their first cartoon crush (which, I should remind you, is from a 20 minute toy commercial for CHILDREN) no longer being sexy as a PERSONAL ASSAULT well into adulthood? That's kinda worrying. That's the old 4chan "how am I supposed to fap to this" joke without any of the original irony. That the outrage over them "censoring" her for the recent beatem up kept using pervy fanart to try and prove their point instead of real screenshots (which also played out with Space Jam 2, thinking on it) shows that they're not alone here, but it's a brave man in his 40s that comes out and enthusiastically declares that a cartoon character is still a major part of their fantasy life. Maybe your dream girl being fictional takes some of the sting out of being an incel.
I think Joker is a damn good movie and Bob is wrong about it but good lord asshats like that totally miss the point about why it's a good movie to begin with. I get off to cartoon characters and I find April attractive, I think those losers are racist and are using the "she's unattractive" excuse to try and cover their asses.
I thought this was going to be about Jackie Chan specifically, who voices Splinter in this movie. Then again, maybe I'm one of the few people who knew about his estranged daughter. Edit: 14:17 - OH HEY, there it is! Yeah, Jackie Chan is estranged from his daughter because she's a lesbian.
Is it established that he is estranged because she's a lesbian? This may just be someone trying to muddy the waters, but I heard someone say that he is estranged because the daughter was the result of an affair he had with a model whom he then didn't want to pay child support to, and only did reluctantly, because the result of the affair was a muddying of his wholesome image, and that he has basically NEVER tried to talk to the daughter or be a part of her life. So essentially, still bad father, but the reasons he's bad were established WAY before she was aware of her sexuality, so not TECHNICALLY homophobic? Or were there outright statements from him that he's denouncing her for the lesbianness?
@@goranisacson2502 Either way, he supports his home country's power structure, so _chances_ are he's not on the up-and-up. The CCP are heavily homophobic too, btw.
@@goranisacson2502 She has said so, yes. Unless you want to claim the woman saying he left her homeless because of his homophobia is not actually his daughter or is lying about events or something.
18:46 I never made that connection consciously, wow. As a kid I didn’t know how Al’s characterization AND look mirrored real neck beard weirdos… and this was back before the internet was an omnipresent part of our lives. Now look how depressingly people fall into that exact pattern.
At least Al actually seemed like a decent guy who cared about preserving stuff and keeping it in good condition, you look at these other assholes like Diversity in Comics that buy comics they hate just to destroy them on a livestream and it's like "Dude, not only did you give money to the people you hate, you gave them free publicity and probably turned more people onto their comic" whoops.
It's well known that facts don't matter to those people that are hateful and angry over things that don't really matter. Hell they do those videos to certain kind of audience that wants they biases confirmed and be lied to because they find lies easier to handle than truth.
Most of them have incredibly low ambiguity intolerance. They will feel actual, physical discomfort from facts that bother them or challenge their binary views of the world. *It's why they are fashy in the first place*.
True and especially these morons forget that they change the shredder origin in the 2003 version of an alien then a demon and yet they didn’t call it woke morons like thinking critical and other horrible people forget the many incarnations of the tmnt like 2003,2012 and rise which has a black April and yet these so call fans don’t care they just want to make horrible outrage contact and to spew out lies screw these so call fans they are just bigoted simple as that.
While your take downs of The Internet getting uptight or at least faking it for clicks is always a good watch, you're channel is literally my only exposure to their performative awfulness.
I get some from Hannah Reloaded and a bit from when Jammidodger and OneTopic react to stuff. These are about the only filters I can stomach it thru; no idea how anybody watches uncut.
same here i'd never willing watch that stuff if you paid me. whenever Bob shows clips or audio from them I mute the video so I don't have to hear their childish screeching.
Bob, I hate that high-pitched trill sound when you do the test pattern. We don't need it. It's very annoying especially when it happens multiple times a minute.
Hi, I'm an unimportant, utterly unknown indie UE dev. For nearly 2 years I've fact-checked name brand gamers & reviewers. In those 2 years they lied, ignored evidence & distort almost every story they cover. Trust me, I know how that sounds. I wish it was exaggeration. But gaming discourse really is that broken. See its common for these people to say... “These devs are lazy, their game is unfinished & costs to much.” Offering no proof, technical knowledge or insider information. These statements are literally baseless. So one day I just asked “What are you basing that on”? Not only did a grown ass man lose his shit in his comment section. He cranked out a 20 minute video, which didn't address anything. Discussions of movies, games, books, comics, tv are toxic. These discussions are lead by very popular people like the person I described. These people benefit from pissing their audience off. MovieBob thank for presenting a calm, rational & nuanced take. An all to rare viewpoint in recent years. Take care, and have a good one NOTE: Now, this being the internet. Whenever I say something like this, somebody always thinks i'm taking about journalists or kids. I'm not. I promise, your favorite gaming youtuber is 10x worse. Should you be one of those people. I... am... not... on... your side. I'm not on anyone's side, cause that's dumb. But let's just say I was taking "sides". I still wouldn't be backing that nonsense. I don't care about anything other than accurate information in gaming, full stop.
I have been a TMNT fan since the 80s, and I don't remember them ever doing much with Splinter's sexuality, outside of making him part of a love triangle with shredder before he came to America and became a rat in the 80s cartoon. So why do people care now?
Because Splinter is a father figure. Father figures can't be gay! They're the cornerstone of the Patriarchy! Teaching kids that is possible to be gay AND a dad will destroy the traditional family! 😂😂😂 ... I mean, gatekeeping Right-Wing nerds probably lie about caring about the sexuality of fictional characters, but that would be their alleged justification
yeah and I could see them causing issues with people with epilepsy, surprised Bob didn't consider that at all, I could definitely see his friend Laura Kate Dale taking issue with it.
Yes, I am tired too Bob I didn't care for Mutant Madness, but I thought it was a good movie that just wasn't for me. This is easily one of the dumbest controversies I've ever heard of... *sigh*
Worse part. Dude said he learned from a tweet. Stop right there. That's not how journalism works. Even William Randolph Hearst would've tried harder than that.
I think you have to talk about this, because you are literally the only person who can. Don't shy away from it. Speak. You have to set a good example where other men fail horribly.
That was a _big_ mic drop at the end there, Bob. I've loved "Toy Story 2" for years and never fully understood why Al was treated as a villain apart from him stealing Woody til that moment. Thank you for opening my eyes as you've done many times before. Also, never knew that about Jackie Chan. That fucking _sucks..._
That Chan story actually isn't true, at least not the way Bob presents it-yes Chan did abandon his daughter but not for being gay-he was never in her life to begin with, so the worst he's guilty of is being a deadbeat dad, which ain't great but it's sure as shit an improvement over being a bigot, we don't know if he has a problem with gay people or not, that whole thing was invented by the tabloids who don't actually care about his daughter at all.
apparently he was never in his daughter's life to begin with so her being gay had nothing to do with it, he's just an ordinary deadbeat dead not a bigot.@@christopherb501
I was honestly asking the same question. How can people claim to love something they can’t stop attacking? Things made for children, no less. How sad and empty do you have to be? It’s more sad and embarrassing than funny.
5:53 - 7:18 Sigh...you know, as an elder Gen Xer, I sometimes am really down about my choices and where I wound up. Then I look at THESE morons, who have to be in my age bracket and I suddenly feel a lot less bad.
Why do they keep staying mad about it, Bob? Simple. *They're not mad about the Turtles*. They're not mad about Star Wars, or Trek, or D&D, or whatever nerd culture war bullshit they picked up this week. They're mad politically. Some undoubtedly were mad fans at one point, then got radicalized. Some saw the money and now this is their job and I don't need to quote Upton Sinclair on how it's hard to change the mind of someone paid to believe something. Some were always disingenuous actors, 4chan fascists or whatever else. But as long as nerd culture allows for people like to be viewed first and foremost as angry nerds and not first an foremost as angry, deliberate, dangerous fascists who are using nerd culture as a Trojan horse for their actual hate and bigotry, they will keep getting away with it. I simply don't care how many of them will insist otherwise. Because, if this wasn't fundamentally about identity and/or partisan politics, they would talk about stuff they love too. They wouldn't all be in lockstep about the latest culture war grievance. They wouldn't be repeating the same talking points. When it was debunked they'd actually be happy about it ("Yay, so Splinter wasn't queer!") They wouldn't adjust their volume and their persistence on topics based on what was trending. It doesn't matter in their individual cases when it became about their politics. Now, it just is.
I hadn't heard a thing about this until this video. Which actually makes me feel pretty good, it means I've sheltered myself from a lot of the toxicity on this platform.
I was one of those angry nerds for about 5 minutes about organic webshooters in the Raimi Spider-man movie, then I got over it. On a more fun note than internet a-holes hate a thing. It seemed to me they emulated the fighting style of Jackie Chan films for Splinter and the Turtles. Fighting by way of dodging and using whatever is laying about as weapons, etc.
I think the rumor was that Scumbug was supposed to be male, but once the controversy started the executives changed the characters gender to make it “calm the confusion”.
That doesnt make sense. The controversy would mean that they'd have to rerecord and reanimate the scenes where they're calling her a she. They probably put "himself" on the poster because the voice is Alex Hersch
The reason why these kind of videos gets made is very simple: hate gets a lot more attention than thoughtful arguments. It takes time to analyze a movie and try to interpret what it's saying. It's a lot easier to say "this effing sucks!"
As a former viewer - it’s vice-signaling. They’re the bigger, meaner, older brother who remembers when everything was cool way back then. It’s edgy and provocative for a while… until it gets old.
This is the most hilarious cr*p I've ever heard! It's not a problem that the cartoon rat is having a relationship with a big bug - as long as that bug isn't male!! I pray to all the Eldritch gods no aliens ever discover our planet. I'd die of shame.
Gotta love the bigot "fanboys" flipping out about April and Master Splinter, when the dude who created the franchise says not only is he cool with it, but he likes it and never wanted the different versions to be remotely similar in the first place!
"Why do you want to be the bad guy?" I've been wondering this for years about Star Wars fans who in real life seem to openly support fascist ideals. It's like wait? Did you always route for the Empire, but still like the movies even though they were the evil side and lost?
To quote Peter Griffin "Oh my god, who the hell cares?" Like, really? This "angry because woke" bull crap needs to stop. It's so immature and pointless. Who cares if the anthropomorphic rat ninja Master is gay? Who cares that a new video game allows you to choose your pronouns? Who cares? Let people enjoy what they enjoy. But, I guess that's too much to ask of people who are chronically online and need their personal viewpoints affirmed.😮💨
This crowd is seeing the bottom coming up on their little grift. Sure, I expect several will be folded into whatever neo-fascist infrastructure develops as recruiters in the next few years. But their pond is shrinking and not all will survive the downsizing.
@@johnathonhaney8291 and it makes no sense, which is why I can't understand it. I didn't say I don't know the history of it, just that the idea, in and of itself, is too fucking stupid to identify with. Bless your heart.
Times like this I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing Twitter made itself into a gated community. On one hand, I don't have to hear or think about stupid "controversies" like this. On the other, the echo chamber must be so much worse now.
It was an amazing movie ! And some chats I was in had people going crazy over the Splinter thing, you can tell they didn't see the movie but saw someone's review and assumptions attached.
@@RoonMian I'm sorry too. I will do my best to go back to ignoring it like I do most stuff like this. If a weird gate keeper screeches in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it even make a noise?
This is....what? I thought this was gonna be a funny video about people complaining the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles acted too much like teenagers. But it's Splinter and his bug love interest gag sub plot?
"Aren't you tired?" Like you have no idea Bob... oh, you wrre asking the reactionary idiots. Side note I've been watching you for years and I used to not like you because of that early stuff. I'm glad you've changed. Everyone should be as introspective and reexamine themselves.
Single dad of four adpoted kids roaming around in a bathrobe all the time and devoting his life to physical and spiritual fitness?
THAT didn't code as gay to people already?
This comment wins the entire internet
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thank you@@chelmrtz
Never thought about that before as a kid. Interesting.
@@jordansweet8054 as kids we saw a rat and thought "there are no other rats, so of course he doesn't have a girlfriend"
I forgot that Splinter got with Scum Bug. I also never consider the sexuality of a cartoon rat as important
You would if a character was previously gay and then was straight in the latest iteration. Then it would be a crime against humanity and the reason for harassment campaigns against the creators and a boycott.
*comic book rat
@@foristrothbert568 it's as if changing a character from a minority and marginalised group to a non marginalised group is a problem or something and different from the opposite for various reasons (representation, eraser, normally if they're a minority or marginalised group it has soke importance to the character, unlike with straight, cis, white, male characters, takes roles away from actors who already have less work, etc).
@@charlestownsend9280 but you wouldn’t like it, that’s kind of the point. Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t happen, if someone did that to a character you liked you would have a problem with it.
@@mistercard3599 not really, I didn't care when the doctor became a woman (although the reasons against that were even more stupid than usual, they're a shape-shifting alien) or when they made superman black or when they changed several characters in the mcu to female or from white to different ethnicities. If it doesn't matter to the character I don't really care if they do it, it doesn't change who the character is and adds more diversity and creates opportunities for actors who get less roles (because the vast majority of characters are straight, cis, white and male).
It's only problem if it changes something about their character (which is rare as being white or straight or cis or male isn't normally that big an aspect for most characters, probably something to do with not being an oppressed minority or marginalised group who are constantly having their rights attacked and various other things, which leaves their lives and experiences not really being shaped as much by the fact that they are part of those groups of people), I can think of a couple of characters that would be a problem for. Or if it were the other way around (for previously mentioned reasons).
So if it changes nothing about the character and adds more diversity and roles for actors (notbto mention potentially more story options, as you now have potential issues faced by those various groups that can be added to the story or character) what is the problem?
Changing the one non white, straight, cis, male character and changing one of the many white, straight, cis, male characters are two very different things. One completely removes an entire group from being represented and the other doesn't.
Before I get started, I have to say that "You Flirty Rat" is maybe one of the best pun titles you've ever come up with, Bob
So let me get this straight: what makes it gross isn't that he's kissing a cockroach- you know, the most disgusting creature in the entire planet- but that he's kissing a cockroach that might also be male? Smh, people are ao weird.
Is that what Scumbug is? A Cockroach? I always thought they were a Stinkbug
It's really, really bizarre where some people's suspension of disbelief breaks down.
Naked mole rats are grosser.
Never underestimate the ability of internet bottom feeders to get upset over the dumbest thing possible.
@@selfbiased1860 I know, right? Reminds me of people whining about black dwarves on Rings Of Power on the "logic" of "but Middle-Earth is supposed to be prehistoric Europe." Because they can suspend disbelief about a fictional version of prehistoric Europe that contains elves, orcs, uru-khai, dragons, wraith, ents, talking trees, giant talking spiders and giant talking eagles, but not black people. 😄
Ironically, Splinter was more gay in the previous Rise series, in that after previous villain Draxum loses his powers and begins his redemption arc, he becomes the Turtles' second father figure, alongside Splinter. With the two occasionally acting like an old married couple. 😂
I was surprised the whole "anti woke" hate train skipped the blue beetle movie. Id much rather have it fly under the radar cause i got a whole theater to myself in one of my viewings
Honestly i doubt the grifter channels know much about history to pick up on the School of the Americas reference. Or any other anti-Imperialist references for the matter
some people bitched about George Lopez's character calling Batman a "fascist" in the trailer but once the actual movie came out the backlash seemed to vanish.
@benwasserman8223 true these peoples can't even be bothered to learn about the fictional worlds they pretend to care so much about
@jacksonteller3973 I remember that. So strange that imaginary people can't even have opinions on the fake world they live in without causing an uproar with the so called "free speech" crowd
It's because no one cares about the movie or at least not enough do. Remember, these pissants' traffic is utterly dependent on trashing the popular thing of the moment. Blue Beetle was nothing but a final vestige of the disgraced DCEU.
My answer to the question of "Why do they want to be the bad guy?" is simple: Money. That's where the money is and that's all they care about. If they can get clicks, views, ad revenue, donations, subscriptions, merch sales and more for being the worst version of themselves they can portray, it's done. Whether they actually believe anything they say is irrelevant, it's a message that either someone out there wants to hear and will support them for OR someone out there will use it to create their own content to call them out on it. And even if you do call them out on it - and I'm not saying not to - they STILL win because there will be people who go seek out the original content for context or just pure curiosity. Maybe there's an underlying agenda or a belief of some kind behind hateful content creation, but even if there is it doesn't actually matter to them because they can always just change directions on a dime. And even FOR a dime.
It's just about greed, period.
yeah I have to wonder if any of these people actually believe that stuff, I remember when Alex Jones got caught looking at trans porn.
Bigotry &/or greed.
Those go hand-in-hand.
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Good video, but the beeps in the cuts were super distracting with how often they happened. If you do this again, I would just prefer you do the cut without any noise
I second this. The bleeps are incredibly irritating.
3rd still a good video
Fourth. Couldn't keep watching.
I kind of like the beeps as a reference to his other work, but, yeah, I think on balance jump cut Bob would be just fine.
Yea. Great content, but the colour bars and double beep cut transition was anxiety inducing. I had trouble getting to the end of the video.
Sigh... one of the things that make watching these difficult is when Bob brings to light the flaws of people in the movie industry. Often, they'll be someone I've no idea who they are, but some times, like with Jackie, it makes me lose somthing. I have accepted this, and I know I'd rather be told the facts and feel bad than like and be ignorant of the flaws.
Keep up the good work Bob.
Bob is slightly wrong on this. Jackie Chan did not cut off his daughter because she was lesbian. Jackie Chan was never in his daughter's life in the first place because she is the result of an affair Chan had, cheating on the woman who is still his wife. He never acknowledged her in the first place. That interview the daughter gave was about how the family who raised her cut her off for being lesbian.
So, Jackie Chan is absolutely a piece of shit, just a different kind of piece of shit.
From what I can find it's not entirely true - it appears that Jackie Chan didn't disown his daughter because she is gay; he couldn't because he's never had any contact with her at all and effectively disowned her before she was even born, so kind of an arsehole, but for a different reason. As for his opinions on LGBTQ+ people, I couldn't find anything particularly informative either way.
@@angrypom yeah I heard that story was mostly tabloid nonsense.
Also, considering Jackie did grow up in mid 20th century China, it would be much more surprising if he were NOT culturally conservative. Even Hong Kong wasn't really what one would call "liberal."
@@edwardphilibin3151 very true, same deal with Michelle Rodriguez, given that she grew up in a Jehovas Witness(which isn't exactly a religion that's known for being progressive) family some of her statements haven't been surprising as that's probably exactly what she was taught for her whole life.
It’s funny because Splinter wasn’t even gay. But I also think Splinter is hiding his true origins from the turtles.
But after Mr “FUCKING PRONOUNS!” Became a meme, I’d like to think we’re growing tired of rage bait guys looking for stuff to get mad about for clicks.
"But I also think Splinter is hiding his true origins from the turtles."
People kept saying this about Splinter's origin in the first Michael Bay movie. Like his origin was so stupid that they had to be more to it to be expanded on in the sequel. To me it's even less likely to be corrected here than in that series because they are not going to a Japanese character (or a character heavily steeped in Japanese culture) be voiced by Jackie Chan.
Guy at 9:34 "She's fat, she's gross looking..."
In other news, Irony is now dead.
Is it worse to be pretending?
There's no difference. As Kurt Vonnegut said in Mother Night "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be."
April O'Neill debate: "How am I supposed to masturbate over a realistically-proportioned female character with a skin tone I don't personally find attractive...?!?"
Splinter debate: "I'm so angry that sexual preferences other than my own exist that I scour geek news about nostalgia-cartoon movies which were made _specifically to pander to my demographic_ to find things to get angry about."
He kissed a cockroach! ... Ok.. The cockroach is also male ...ARRRGHGHGHGH. But yes, the fact they only had a surface understanding of the situation shows that they are just angry fake grifters for a very sad, very specific audience.
I’m grateful we have an honest to goodness tnmt adaptation that’s explicitly cartoony and weird and leans into the comedy with out a heavy focus on the foot clan. Not that other adaptions haven’t had their merits but this was really great.
It was great! it felt like a modern 90s cartoon.
People have been trying to adapt TMNT in that way since the early days of the 80s animated series. It never really works and if we're honest it didn't really work here, it's box office is shockingly low...not a measure of quality sure but suggests that this isn't what the general public want this property to be.
There's always been a small but vocal contingent that want TMNT to be a pure comedy but it's appeal has always been the action/adventure genre with an emphasis on martial arts. Now we've gotten the second TMNT movie in a row to this (and the second that flopped) can we start approaching this the way that has consistently worked for the franchise.
seeing how much you've grown as a critic, analyst, cultural interpreter, and even overall PERSON over the course of this channel's history has been a genuine treat.
Funnily enough, Scumbug *does* have a voice actor, because of course *somebody* has to be making those goofy monster sounds, and it *is* a dude: Alex Hirsch (probably best known as Grunkle Stan from Gravity Falls) 😂
"We don't mind interspecies relationships, so long as its not gay. On that note have you met my wife, Fluffy?"
9:30 I really don't think there's a sadder variation on this whole sad trend than when it's a bunch of guys sitting around whining about how a female character isn't hot enough for them. It's just so mindlessly entitled.
Entitled doesn't even begin to cover it.
The movie is made for kids, not 35-45 year old man-children that clutch their pearls and whine and bitch if a female character in a movie or show isn't their ideal.
Their ideal being typically white, busty, tall, thin, cool but not so cool that she doesn't need saving all the time and she'd better not become a heroine who saves the big strong manly man.
@@glenngriffon8032 Yes, but make a game involving wizards and the creator is guilty of wrongthink and watch the entitlement of a group of people who dox, harass, and send death and rape threats to people who play the game online, all while considering themselves "the good guys."
@@foristrothbert568, standing up to villains and "bad guys" doesn't, in turn, make someone the "bad guys." Bullying trans people is NOT something "good guys" do, so your little wizard game involved "bad guys" in its creation.
We *can* agree to disagree about meaningless things like Best Ice Cream Flavor, Best Musician/Band, or (just to connect back to the piece of media this video is related to) Favorite Ninja Turtle, buuuut, believing/suggesting that someone deserves to be treated with less dignity for aaaany of that person's *inherent* traits...well, that *is* bigotry. And it's something *nobody* should stand for or turn a blind eye to, nor is it a topic where a person is simply *entitled* to their opinion (See above examples of *non*-bigoted topics of disagreement).
@@glenngriffon8032 Funny enough, my ideal lady is a solid 5 foot, built like a gymnast detective, and saved her wizard not-boyfriend from an evil troll by using a chainsaw.
@@DetectiveLance Karrin Murphy is the best! Good Dresden files reference there.
9:30 "she not appealing to look at." Neither are you.
Also why does she need to be appealing? Why do they need to be attracted to an animated child? This is the she-ra reactionary nonsense all over again
Dude definitely has a tiny package.
I found her attractive, I think when those asshats say that what they actually mean is "we hate that she's black but we don't want to sound TOO outwardly racists so we'll just make shit up and say we hate her cause she's not attractive"
I suspect a lot of what is wrong with the world comes from people that never questions why they themselves do or feel things. In this particular circunstance, those guys found cartoon teenagers attractive when they where 13 so they assumed "attractive to me specifically" is a requirement that all cartoon teenagers should fullfill forever
@@Mario_Angel_Medina yeah that's just plain weird, as someone who's into rule 34 I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about being attracted to cartoon characters so long as you don't go crazy over it, but when you start attacking a movie for it and attacking the filmmakers for not catering just to your fetishes that's all kinds of messed up.
I saw more weird outrage about the turtles being black teenagers from New York than Splinter being gay. Good to see that there's part of the internet chucklefucks I'm unaware of
There is so much chucklefuckery these days.
I wasn't aware of either controversy.
Don't forget the contingent of weirdos who were upset that April (a pubescent teenager in this version!) wasn't fuckable enough!
These turtles or RISE?
The Turtles are black teenagers?
I remember seeing an interview where Kevin Eastman said he wanted every iteration of Ninja Turtles to be completely different. So the character history argument doesnt even hold up. It could of been George Takei playing a rat in a rainbow thong and still been true to the artists vision.
Jeez...
I knew about Cube, but Chan, too?
Also: "Why do you want to be the bad guy?"
Just... wow.
from what I gather Chan was never in his daughter's life to begin with, had nothing to do with her being gay, her being the product of an affair he had that tarnished his image is why he's not reached out to her.
Please make your COVID PSA a stand alone vid so we can blast it on social media. Please.
I like when the guy says the new April isn't appealing to look at, then scrolls past an action figure of old April whose proportions are so fucked she barely looks like a human being.
It felt like saying the quiet bit out loud when it comes to female character designs
Every montage Bob does of TH-cam "commentators" is the single worst group of human beings I've ever seen or heard. I mean, each time, it tops itself.
I've infiltrated one of the big commentators (not mentioned here),& every time they bring up their anti-transness I shudder inside.
@@esimonsays14Let me guys, they have the voice of a girl. For some reason all those people have. Which is fine but don't be a misogynistic because of it.
@@1IGG Oh absolutely not. I secretly hate them quite a lot, & I haven't been to their "show" in quite awhile.
Same, and then i think of all the fans those guys have that think and act just like that too! Always makes me a little sick
@@kailebdv I feel more funny then sick, as everytime I doubt myself I remember that those pathetic losers exists and that no matter what i'll never be as bad as them.
out of character? He has never had a partner in any previous iteration that I have seen. He could have been gay the whole time, but wow what a stupid concern this is all is.
*Pushes up glasses* 2012 splinter was shown to have a wife and had a daughter with her, loved her enough to be distraught over her.
@@themanofmovies8104I was actually wondering if he’d ever been shown with any romantic interests at all at any point. Haven’t really kept up with the franchise over the decades but I always got the impression that kind of thing just wasn’t on his radar, at least not post-mutation.
@@Truzyxx well it was when he was pre mutated so, yeah thats a valid interpretation
@@themanofmovies8104 Ok, you win this time! I missed that. :) He is still pretty sexless in most of the iterations.
@@GamesNTech fair enough
The nice call out of the other reviewers was, *chef's kiss*
I love that clip of that guy screaming about the joker so much
I hope he got caught on Jan. 6.
His name is Robert Storms, who started off okay before going incel for the money. Not speculation on my part, BTW, as he flat-out admitted it in a livestream. I dropped his channel right after that.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Man, that is straight up pathetic, & that's all folks.
It's funny.
While waiting for episode drops from Ashoka, I recently finished a binge of all the Star Wars shows and series I'd fallen behind on, mostly for work or life related issues. Rebels, Bad Batch, The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Obi-Wan, etc. And now, having caught up completely and having a full top down view of the post Disney purchase Star Wars, I legit found myself asking a similar question. What, exactly, has been the big deal?
Yeah, taken as the whole the Sequel trilogy has some flaws and is kind of disjointed. Yeah, Obi-Wan feels a little gratuitous. And yeah, I still think Solo would have faired better as a Lando movie and Leia's corvette shouldn't have been physically present at the Battle of Skariff in Rogue One. But the rest? The rest was fun. Was entertaining. Was weird and wonderful and moving and exciting and fun and...well, everything I've loved about Star Wars since I was drawing X-Wings and TIE fighters in kindergarten.
What, exactly, was there in all of it that has some folks so bent out of shape or crying "RUINED FOREVER!!!1!" that isn't either so trivial its easy to overlook or wasn't also a "problem" when Lucas did it? I'm literally as old as the franchise itself and been a fan of it as long as I've been alive. And I not only love the hell out of a lot of the new stuff, I wish we had it when I was growing up. Hell, I'm writing this waiting for the latest episode for Ashoka to release and honestly looking forward to it. Yet as I do you've got folks on social media ragging on a series that isn't even finished it for what can only be described as the stupidest or reasons and acting like it's mere existence is blight on humanity. Meanwhile, I'm still grinning like an idiot over that Rancor vs War Droid fight in Book of Boba Fett that looked like something straight out of a King Kong movie and clawing at the walls waiting for the next season of Bad Batch.
But you hit the nail on the head and openly articulated something that's been cooking in the back of my mind for a while. Given how virulent, vicious, intense and in a lot of cases petty so much of the "criticism" levelled against...well, just about any geek or nerd properly has been from the...less than enlightened corners of the fandoms and internet has been, what exactly did any of those folks ever actually LIKE about the various properties or franchises in the first place? And if, by your estimation, recent incarnations are failing to do it for you anymore, why are you still here?
It becomes more and more evident that so many of these "critiques" have absolutely nothing to do with the actual quality or content of the show, movie, or franchise in question and seem to be more a reflection of the viewer's own hang-ups, dysfunction and personality problems. And it's both sobering and depressing to see so many others giving them headspace and credence.
It makes them money.
To understand this, I think we need to make a distinction between the major voices of this movement and the people who repeat/retweet/etc those opinions.
The "thought leaders" of this are people who do it to make money. Some of them may be true believers. But many of them are people who are doing it to make money. They have these takes because they're courting an audience that is hungry for these takes. And they got stuck with this audience *because* they would give them these takes.
This causes them to both radicalize their audience and are radicalized *by* their audience. Each time a new piece of "woke" media comes out, they are required to have a harder take than the last one. And this turns off any potential audience who don't want that, so their only fans are the worst people.
If you are an outrage merchant, if your job is to sell people on the idea that *something* is wrong in society... what else can you do? You have outrage to sell, and you can't keep selling the same outrage. It has to be *more* outrageous.
As for the followers, I believe a lot of them have a degree of internet brain poisoning. I encountered this myself with The Last Jedi.
I like this movie. I enjoyed watching it. It has some *significant* flaws, but it's engaging in various places and has an ending I absolutely adore.
But I can't watch it anymore. Why? Because when I do, I have the opinions of a thousand assholes rattling around in my brain nit-picking every Goddamn scene. I remember what it was like to watch the film unspoiled by their thoughts, but that's in the past now. These people have functionally made me incapable of enjoying a thing that I find enjoyable.
Now, consider someone who maybe didn't find TLJ to be as enjoyable. Maybe it didn't click with that person, or the cons simply outweighed the pros. Overall, they might consider it subpar absent any other people's opinions.
Now, add in the essentially inescapable cacophony of negativity around the film. What would happen to that persons' opinions about the film? Well, a merely subpar film now becomes *RUINED FOREVER!*
And now, that person starts wanting some answers as to *why* this thing they'd been waiting for for 2 years was not just subpar, but completely terrible. And boy, do those "thought leaders" have some reasons as to why this happened. I mean sure, those reasons sound a bit silly and some are even vaguely bigoted. But they are reasons, and nobody else can explain it.
That's one way people start down this path: the internet takes average or sub-par media and makes you feel like it's the worst film you've ever seen.
As for why they're still here? That's obvious: they feel entitled to have their tastes catered to.
They feel like Star Wars must be exactly what *they* want it to be. At all times. In the minds of many long-time fans, they are the ones who *built* the Star Wars franchise. They are the ones who *deserve* to have new media made for them. So if Star Wars isn't doing it for them, then clearly something is wrong with Star Wars.
I've never understood the criticism either. Whether its Star Wars, Star Trek, X-Men, or any other geek property, its politics are inherently left leaning. Its baked into the premises. I've never understood what Right Wingers like about any of it outside of incidental shit thats not core to the media.
@@frankm.2850 And that is, perhaps, the most toxic and poisonous effect of all this. That it makes some of us start to hate the things we do enjoy. Not necessarily because of any inherent flaws or problems with the media itself. As alluded to earlier, I am well aware that the Sequels, and even Star Wars in general for that matter, are not and never will be perfect. And in most regards I can overlook those hiccups and stumbles in favor of where it does things well or right.
TLJ is, thematically and narratively, perhaps the strongest of the three films. Yeah, Canto Bight (though a pretty good sequence unto itself making the "hive of scum and villainy" be a glitzy, sleezy Vegas knock off rather than a seedy backwater port) feels a little superfluous and the set up for it could have been better. But having an old, grizzled Luke forced to finally face what actually occurred between him and Ben? Told Rashomon style till he practically has to have the truth beaten out of him? Because all these years he's been blaming himself for his own moment of weakness and screw up? Yeah, that's some of the best character and story work Star Wars has done in a long time (in the movies at least) and it still hits me hard. As does his confronting Kylo in the end yeah, that final shot? The kid pulling the broom to him with the force? What a great coda. Drives home the overall point of the film. That things are bad, the heroes of the past either can't or won't save us, and it's up to us no matter who we are to stand up to face them.
Yet the dominating voices "criticizing" the film squawk about Rey being a "Mary Sue" or how Disney "Ruined Luke" or how much Rose "sucks" or a dozen and one other banal, empty headed BS reasons to crap on the film that...actually have nothing to do with the film itself.
It's why, for the sake of my own sanity and enjoyment, I do everything I can to tune out anyone who uses any variation on "woke", "Kathleen Kennedy" or "continuity/canon" as their criticism. To me, it's the tip off that not only were they never actually "fans" in the first place. But they are using Star Wars (or any geek/nerd property for that matter) as the whipping boy for their own personality problems and issues with the world.
Quick reminder that April is supposed to be 15 in this movie, so she’s just a little kid, so stop sexualizing her, please. No, she doesn’t need to be “hot” because she’s freaking 15 years old, kids are just kids.
Bob, I completely love your work and the amount of insanity you have to face to produce these videos. I really cannot fathom how can anyone be upset about the possibility of a cartoon rat being gay
Never underestimate the Right's ability to get bent out of shape about the dumbest, most inconsequential bullshit.
@@frankm.2850 behold "FUCKING PRONOUNS!"
@@frankm.2850like microaggressions, misgendering, and cultural appropriation?
I think the one that gets me the most is the "Splinter has always been a father/mentor figure." Because neither of those roles require someone to be straight.
Like, what even is the argument here?
That's really just a very succinct question that should be posed to SOOOO many people. Why so you want to be the bad guy?
I kinda knew that Jackie Chan was a bad father, but the thing with his daughter, that’s a new one.
from what I heard he didn't abandon her for being gay, he was never in her life from the beginning, that whole "gay" thing seems like a tabloid story with about as much credibility as the Daily Mail or the New York Post. So Chan is guilty of being a deadbeat dad which ain't great but he's not a bigot that we know of at least.
Never underestimate the internet’s ability to blow up a minor mistake and misunderstanding.
Never underestimate Hollywood's ability to make all their movies into ESG 'blaxploitation' garbage just to wear us down.
It's obvious that these guys, commenting on the "attractiveness" of an animated character, is top tier oblivious. I know they are just so impressed by their "hot take" and that they are really "sticking it" to the movie creators and it's just sad. Like not even funny sad. It's that sad where you are really concerned for their wellbeing and are wondering if a wellness checkup is required.
"I'm mad because you made a version of the cartoon character that I want to poke un-pokeable in my incel-ular opinion."
I think you hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that these people are complaining about a 16 year old girl not being sexy enough. That's disgustingly creepy.
I find her sexy and I think they are trying to cover for their own racism. I've seen how people on sites like Paheal talk about this sort of thing and it's usually rooted in bigotry, just look at comments of pictures of the Velma from the new show and you'll see.
So you want us to settle for women who look like Lizzo from now on?
@@Launchpad05 Lizzo is attractive I fail to see what the problem is, BTW you haven't earned the right to name yourself after a cartoon character who is a way better person then you'll ever be loser catch u next tuesday.
@@Launchpad05 Isn't April a miner in the movie? Why do you want to sexualize teens?
@@A.B.-ub9un Why do you want to uglify already establish characters? So you can get an ESG score?
Im sorry, how can you watch a movie that was THAT FUN and had without a doubt some of the best fight scenes Ive seen since .... well into the Spiderverse.
The "no diggity" fight montage was without a doubt the coolest thing I have ever seen onscreen.
How can you walk away from that and be sour because of a 10 second gag and "this 16 year old is unfuckable!".
The silver lining about this sort of controversy is it reveals who isn't worth listening to
Well, wasn't it obvious before?
@@1IGG Only if you're aware of those people to begin with.
@@jimballard1186 Some like Shadiversity were doing pretty standard content before suddenly changing into trash (not watched that channel since he got surgery)
Thank goodness I didn't know about this controversy until now
I missed this “controversy” entirely. Thank god for that.
same
I both love and hate taht "What is more important to our culture than the joker" clip remains relevant all these years later.
Edit: Also, that they're reheating the leftovers of the Rise of the TMNT "outrage" over Black April, after the co-creator came out and confessed that April was ALWAYS biracial, that just wasn't important enough to their identity to make it into early adaptations is kinda funny? Though. Look, I'm not faulting anyone for cartoon crushes. Every generation has a couple cartoon characters that awoke something in a LOT of people. Late 80s/early 90s, you could do worse.
That their first cartoon crush (which, I should remind you, is from a 20 minute toy commercial for CHILDREN) no longer being sexy as a PERSONAL ASSAULT well into adulthood? That's kinda worrying. That's the old 4chan "how am I supposed to fap to this" joke without any of the original irony. That the outrage over them "censoring" her for the recent beatem up kept using pervy fanart to try and prove their point instead of real screenshots (which also played out with Space Jam 2, thinking on it) shows that they're not alone here, but it's a brave man in his 40s that comes out and enthusiastically declares that a cartoon character is still a major part of their fantasy life. Maybe your dream girl being fictional takes some of the sting out of being an incel.
I think Joker is a damn good movie and Bob is wrong about it but good lord asshats like that totally miss the point about why it's a good movie to begin with. I get off to cartoon characters and I find April attractive, I think those losers are racist and are using the "she's unattractive" excuse to try and cover their asses.
The noise effect whenever you cut was the worst idea. Nobody does this for good reason.
You mean the rainbow screen sound from old TVs?
What effect? I watch these in the background while like working or something so I barely notice lol
@@Gator159 the jump cuts
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Dammit, now I keep noticing it lol
@@Gator159 It's a little weird that there are multiple comments on the sound effect today, when it's been around for quite a while now.
"You flirty rat" is a solid pun (pun? idk)
Yeah, I think so too, a variant on the old "you dirty rat" gag.
Solidarity with unions everywhere! Power to the people!
11:50 Seriously, Mr. Chipman, you NEED to make a short of this COVID PSA.
I thought this was going to be about Jackie Chan specifically, who voices Splinter in this movie. Then again, maybe I'm one of the few people who knew about his estranged daughter.
Edit: 14:17 - OH HEY, there it is! Yeah, Jackie Chan is estranged from his daughter because she's a lesbian.
Well that's sad and disappointing.
Is it established that he is estranged because she's a lesbian? This may just be someone trying to muddy the waters, but I heard someone say that he is estranged because the daughter was the result of an affair he had with a model whom he then didn't want to pay child support to, and only did reluctantly, because the result of the affair was a muddying of his wholesome image, and that he has basically NEVER tried to talk to the daughter or be a part of her life.
So essentially, still bad father, but the reasons he's bad were established WAY before she was aware of her sexuality, so not TECHNICALLY homophobic? Or were there outright statements from him that he's denouncing her for the lesbianness?
@@goranisacson2502 Either way, he supports his home country's power structure, so _chances_ are he's not on the up-and-up. The CCP are heavily homophobic too, btw.
@@goranisacson2502 I'm actually not sure.
@@goranisacson2502 She has said so, yes. Unless you want to claim the woman saying he left her homeless because of his homophobia is not actually his daughter or is lying about events or something.
18:46 I never made that connection consciously, wow. As a kid I didn’t know how Al’s characterization AND look mirrored real neck beard weirdos… and this was back before the internet was an omnipresent part of our lives. Now look how depressingly people fall into that exact pattern.
At least Al actually seemed like a decent guy who cared about preserving stuff and keeping it in good condition, you look at these other assholes like Diversity in Comics that buy comics they hate just to destroy them on a livestream and it's like "Dude, not only did you give money to the people you hate, you gave them free publicity and probably turned more people onto their comic" whoops.
It's well known that facts don't matter to those people that are hateful and angry over things that don't really matter. Hell they do those videos to certain kind of audience that wants they biases confirmed and be lied to because they find lies easier to handle than truth.
Most of them have incredibly low ambiguity intolerance. They will feel actual, physical discomfort from facts that bother them or challenge their binary views of the world. *It's why they are fashy in the first place*.
True and especially these morons forget that they change the shredder origin in the 2003 version of an alien then a demon and yet they didn’t call it woke morons like thinking critical and other horrible people forget the many incarnations of the tmnt like 2003,2012 and rise which has a black April and yet these so call fans don’t care they just want to make horrible outrage contact and to spew out lies screw these so call fans they are just bigoted simple as that.
Just a little feedback, the constant beep noise when you cut is hella annoying, it's not needed.
and might potentially cause seizures for people prone to epilepsy.
I appreciate that Bob continues to cast an unflinching spotlight on the dumbest people in the galaxy.
While your take downs of The Internet getting uptight or at least faking it for clicks is always a good watch, you're channel is literally my only exposure to their performative awfulness.
I get some from Hannah Reloaded and a bit from when Jammidodger and OneTopic react to stuff. These are about the only filters I can stomach it thru; no idea how anybody watches uncut.
Consider yourself blessed.
Yeah, same.
same here i'd never willing watch that stuff if you paid me. whenever Bob shows clips or audio from them I mute the video so I don't have to hear their childish screeching.
Bob, I hate that high-pitched trill sound when you do the test pattern. We don't need it. It's very annoying especially when it happens multiple times a minute.
not to mention it could potentially cause issues with people with epilepsy.
No, no, they do not remember how basic story structure works. Many of them never even had it figured out in the before times.
Hi,
I'm an unimportant, utterly unknown indie UE dev. For nearly 2 years I've fact-checked name brand gamers & reviewers. In those 2 years they lied, ignored evidence & distort almost every story they cover. Trust me, I know how that sounds. I wish it was exaggeration. But gaming discourse really is that broken. See its common for these people to say... “These devs are lazy, their game is unfinished & costs to much.” Offering no proof, technical knowledge or insider information. These statements are literally baseless. So one day I just asked “What are you basing that on”?
Not only did a grown ass man lose his shit in his comment section. He cranked out a 20 minute video, which didn't address anything. Discussions of movies, games, books, comics, tv are toxic. These discussions are lead by very popular people like the person I described. These people benefit from pissing their audience off. MovieBob thank for presenting a calm, rational & nuanced take. An all to rare viewpoint in recent years.
Take care, and have a good one
NOTE: Now, this being the internet. Whenever I say something like this, somebody always thinks i'm taking about journalists or kids. I'm not. I promise, your favorite gaming youtuber is 10x worse. Should you be one of those people. I... am... not... on... your side. I'm not on anyone's side, cause that's dumb. But let's just say I was taking "sides". I still wouldn't be backing that nonsense. I don't care about anything other than accurate information in gaming, full stop.
I'm glad you roasted Raz0rfist here. He's always bugged me, but I couldn't put together why for the longest time.
I have been a TMNT fan since the 80s, and I don't remember them ever doing much with Splinter's sexuality, outside of making him part of a love triangle with shredder before he came to America and became a rat in the 80s cartoon. So why do people care now?
Because Splinter is a father figure. Father figures can't be gay! They're the cornerstone of the Patriarchy! Teaching kids that is possible to be gay AND a dad will destroy the traditional family! 😂😂😂
... I mean, gatekeeping Right-Wing nerds probably lie about caring about the sexuality of fictional characters, but that would be their alleged justification
The high pace beeps are abit grading
Oh god, the beeps every time you cut are intolerable.
yeah and I could see them causing issues with people with epilepsy, surprised Bob didn't consider that at all, I could definitely see his friend Laura Kate Dale taking issue with it.
Mikey: Is Scumbug our new mom?
His siblings: 😮
Yes, I am tired too Bob
I didn't care for Mutant Madness, but I thought it was a good movie that just wasn't for me.
This is easily one of the dumbest controversies I've ever heard of... *sigh*
Worse part. Dude said he learned from a tweet. Stop right there. That's not how journalism works. Even William Randolph Hearst would've tried harder than that.
I think you have to talk about this, because you are literally the only person who can. Don't shy away from it. Speak. You have to set a good example where other men fail horribly.
You are more nerd, more smart, more everything than these tedious losers.
That was a _big_ mic drop at the end there, Bob. I've loved "Toy Story 2" for years and never fully understood why Al was treated as a villain apart from him stealing Woody til that moment. Thank you for opening my eyes as you've done many times before. Also, never knew that about Jackie Chan. That fucking _sucks..._
Also a bit of a hypocrite, given that one movie he basically cosplayed as Chun-Li.
@@christopherb501 Which movie was this? I haven't seen any Jackie Chan movies in a long time, and I don't remember that one.
@@KevinTheTimeGeek86 city hunter I think...
That Chan story actually isn't true, at least not the way Bob presents it-yes Chan did abandon his daughter but not for being gay-he was never in her life to begin with, so the worst he's guilty of is being a deadbeat dad, which ain't great but it's sure as shit an improvement over being a bigot, we don't know if he has a problem with gay people or not, that whole thing was invented by the tabloids who don't actually care about his daughter at all.
apparently he was never in his daughter's life to begin with so her being gay had nothing to do with it, he's just an ordinary deadbeat dead not a bigot.@@christopherb501
I was honestly asking the same question. How can people claim to love something they can’t stop attacking? Things made for children, no less. How sad and empty do you have to be? It’s more sad and embarrassing than funny.
not just things made for kids either.
@@jadedheartsz
No matter the thing, it’s embarrassing.
@@daelen.cclark indeed
5:53 - 7:18 Sigh...you know, as an elder Gen Xer, I sometimes am really down about my choices and where I wound up. Then I look at THESE morons, who have to be in my age bracket and I suddenly feel a lot less bad.
same here, I regret some stuff I did but I can at least take consolation that I NEVER came close to going as far off the deep end as those losers did.
April refers to Scumbug as a “cockroach lady” in the movie itself.
Basic facts just don't count any more. Gotta love this stupid world of ours.
Why do they keep staying mad about it, Bob?
Simple.
*They're not mad about the Turtles*.
They're not mad about Star Wars, or Trek, or D&D, or whatever nerd culture war bullshit they picked up this week.
They're mad politically.
Some undoubtedly were mad fans at one point, then got radicalized. Some saw the money and now this is their job and I don't need to quote Upton Sinclair on how it's hard to change the mind of someone paid to believe something. Some were always disingenuous actors, 4chan fascists or whatever else.
But as long as nerd culture allows for people like to be viewed first and foremost as angry nerds and not first an foremost as angry, deliberate, dangerous fascists who are using nerd culture as a Trojan horse for their actual hate and bigotry, they will keep getting away with it.
I simply don't care how many of them will insist otherwise. Because, if this wasn't fundamentally about identity and/or partisan politics, they would talk about stuff they love too. They wouldn't all be in lockstep about the latest culture war grievance. They wouldn't be repeating the same talking points. When it was debunked they'd actually be happy about it ("Yay, so Splinter wasn't queer!") They wouldn't adjust their volume and their persistence on topics based on what was trending.
It doesn't matter in their individual cases when it became about their politics. Now, it just is.
See Harlan Ellison's essay "Xenogenesis" for the pre-Internet version of all this. This kind of BS has been stewing for a REAL long time.
if it makes you feel any better Ice Cube did recently make fun of Elon Musk online.
I appreciate having your voice balancing out some of the online outrage machine.
The beeps and test cards were distracting.
More Bob! Yay!
Creepy and stupid controversy around another fun movie? Aww,c'mon!
actually, this reminds me how Spider-Verse handles "I love you" better. Because that bit came off as authentic. Here it's a gross out joke.
I hadn't heard a thing about this until this video. Which actually makes me feel pretty good, it means I've sheltered myself from a lot of the toxicity on this platform.
same here, for once a controversy completely passed me by and i'm grateful.
I was one of those angry nerds for about 5 minutes about organic webshooters in the Raimi Spider-man movie, then I got over it. On a more fun note than internet a-holes hate a thing. It seemed to me they emulated the fighting style of Jackie Chan films for Splinter and the Turtles. Fighting by way of dodging and using whatever is laying about as weapons, etc.
I think the rumor was that Scumbug was supposed to be male, but once the controversy started the executives changed the characters gender to make it “calm the confusion”.
That doesnt make sense. The controversy would mean that they'd have to rerecord and reanimate the scenes where they're calling her a she. They probably put "himself" on the poster because the voice is Alex Hersch
HOORAY FOR THE PSA! I love this running gag/ but not really a running gag to pieces! I really do. 🤠
i'm sick of it myself, we get it COVID is still around Bob is preaching to the choir at this point.
The reason why these kind of videos gets made is very simple: hate gets a lot more attention than thoughtful arguments. It takes time to analyze a movie and try to interpret what it's saying. It's a lot easier to say "this effing sucks!"
As a former viewer - it’s vice-signaling. They’re the bigger, meaner, older brother who remembers when everything was cool way back then. It’s edgy and provocative for a while… until it gets old.
Hey Bob can we get the Covid-19 insert as it’s own video so I can just send it to people during online arguments? It’s very good.
I hope the original TMNT toy line comes back.
Those were great action figures
The bleep and rainbow screen jump cuts during your on screen face sections are very distracting.
Just jump cut if you need to jump cut please.
This is the most hilarious cr*p I've ever heard! It's not a problem that the cartoon rat is having a relationship with a big bug - as long as that bug isn't male!!
I pray to all the Eldritch gods no aliens ever discover our planet. I'd die of shame.
Gotta love the bigot "fanboys" flipping out about April and Master Splinter, when the dude who created the franchise says not only is he cool with it, but he likes it and never wanted the different versions to be remotely similar in the first place!
"Why do you want to be the bad guy?" I've been wondering this for years about Star Wars fans who in real life seem to openly support fascist ideals. It's like wait? Did you always route for the Empire, but still like the movies even though they were the evil side and lost?
Dammit Bob, I know they provide context, but those clips from, Angry, Angry People destroy braincells. I need those!
"Professional trivium payer-attention-toer"
Slap that on some merch, jack. I'd buy a t-shirt that said that.
To quote Peter Griffin "Oh my god, who the hell cares?"
Like, really? This "angry because woke" bull crap needs to stop. It's so immature and pointless.
Who cares if the anthropomorphic rat ninja Master is gay? Who cares that a new video game allows you to choose your pronouns? Who cares? Let people enjoy what they enjoy.
But, I guess that's too much to ask of people who are chronically online and need their personal viewpoints affirmed.😮💨
This crowd is seeing the bottom coming up on their little grift. Sure, I expect several will be folded into whatever neo-fascist infrastructure develops as recruiters in the next few years. But their pond is shrinking and not all will survive the downsizing.
I cannot understand how people can conflate sexual preference for politics.
Oh, you sweet summer child...that one's been political for quite a few centuries now. And that one's ALWAYS about control.
@@johnathonhaney8291 and it makes no sense, which is why I can't understand it. I didn't say I don't know the history of it, just that the idea, in and of itself, is too fucking stupid to identify with. Bless your heart.
A version of this that didn't beep with every single edit would be so much better.
Times like this I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing Twitter made itself into a gated community. On one hand, I don't have to hear or think about stupid "controversies" like this. On the other, the echo chamber must be so much worse now.
All reports I hear back confirm that assessment of the SM platform formerly known as Twitter.
I miss a time when a video game could have a black protagonist without the cries of "wokism".
Honestly I've not been a TMNT fan for like thirty years, but this bullshit has me seriously considering going to see the movie in theaters.
It's a lot of fun really. Its not Spiderverse level but its really good.
It was an amazing movie !
And some chats I was in had people going crazy over the Splinter thing, you can tell they didn't see the movie but saw someone's review and assumptions attached.
somehow i managed to totally missed that controversy and i'm glad.
@@jadedheartszI totally, too.
At this point I only hear about these wild fan reactions because people with larger platforms frustratedly react to them...
My life isn't amazing but I am happy that I knew nothing about any of this until now.
I'm sorry you can't go back there anymore.
@@RoonMian I'm sorry too. I will do my best to go back to ignoring it like I do most stuff like this. If a weird gate keeper screeches in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it even make a noise?
This is....what? I thought this was gonna be a funny video about people complaining the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles acted too much like teenagers. But it's Splinter and his bug love interest gag sub plot?
Like the live action. Hate the beeps.
Good takes all round as always Bob. Keep it up. Please.
"Aren't you tired?"
Like you have no idea Bob... oh, you wrre asking the reactionary idiots.
Side note I've been watching you for years and I used to not like you because of that early stuff. I'm glad you've changed. Everyone should be as introspective and reexamine themselves.