It comes down to the question of if they actually believe what they are yelling - in that case they aren't tired, their self imagined righteousness motivates them - or if they just cynically say whatever they think will make them money. In that case they might be tired but just as anybody else they still go to work every day.
If there's anything I've learned from observing online discourse for the better part of my teens and adulthood, it's that nuance is the internet's least favorite N word.
In this day an age, expecting your viewers to infer the omitted "(but I see no way I could avoid bashing this one)" from the context, alas, means having too much faith in human intelligence. - note to myself: pretty sure that Aeschylus already observed the same, in his time.
Yeah, I constantly need to remind myself that what seems obvious is totally unfathomable to a shocking number of people. It's perfectly clear he also thinks it's a bad film even just from the clip Bob played, yet here we are. Is it a fear of intellectualism? A desire to express a deeper thought then "Movie bad"?! "No, make brain hurt to think. You must be talking down to me so now I'm angry." I feel this happens a lot.
Internet: "Your lack of outrage is outrageous! Your not calling this movie the worst thing ever is the WORST THING EVER! You, Internet reviewer, are the worst thing happening to movies. You, TH-camr, are ruining superhero movies! If you won't spend twenty minutes spitting venom, I WILL!!"
I'll be honest, Bob - the first video I saw from you came from my recommended. It was the PIXELS review. I was bowled over by the seethign rage and creative, disgusting descriptions of the rage, but it was also overwhelming. I did click on the channel, curious if there was a whole heap of such reviews, and randomly clicked on another video - and was surprised how thoughtful, intelligent, and non-profane it was. The popularity of the Pixels review no doubt led to you being recommended to me, but I would have never stuck around for more than that. I was your other, more nuanced, passionate and articulate content that made me a fan who ahs stuck with you all these years. You've given me so many wonderful films to watch, and entertained me countless hours. I love what you do, and love to hear you talk about what you love. Occasionally I do enjoy a nerd rage rant from you, like the incredibly well-done BVS seven parter, ha ah, but I'm glad Pixels type stuff was mostly a one-off. I don't care for gross stuff like the AVGN content. You're a gem, and I don't mean a 'good enough man', ha ha. A genuine gem.
plus he did actually see Ghostbusters 2016 and said he thought it was OK, but that happened on a podcast that not many people knew about it, I had a hell of a time actually finding it.
Also, he often makes (or at least made) videos with positive and passionate reviews talking about movies and stuff he likes and in an engaging and laidback way.
It's the Al Bundy Effect. If you create a character designed to mock simple people, all that happens is simple people cheer when they see someone like them on the screen.
When I first heard that Chris was getting blowback over this, I was confused because I found his take to be pretty sound and uncontroversial, but then I remembered something; people are very stupid sometimes.
I'm so out of the loop I didn't even know there was a controversy until this video popped up. I saw the video Chris did and enjoyed getting a bit more perspective on how the big movies get made and what can go wrong.
Yeah I wouldn't even know about the blowback if it weren't for this video. I appreciate MovieBob for looping us in. I'm also glad not to be exposed to the toxicity of that part of the internet (at least in this case). And yeah I watched Stuckman's review and thought it was really good. He is both insightful and has a quality of compassion that is too often lacking online.
I'll admit, many years ago I was in on the outrage youtube train of "laugh at me being angry about a thing" but then something happened, the people I was watching mellowed out, they did more positive things, they grew up and with that, so did I. I found more joy in honest conversations, celebrating the good while still laughing at the bad. And laughing at the bad is not the same as "watch me be angry at this thing because its bad." I wish more people would get their head out of their ass and not contribute to the torment nexus algorithm. Thank you, Bob, for being one of those people that doesn't succumb to the temptation of bashing for bashing's sake.
Times like this I'm reminded of a quote from Mark Kermode about satire, specifically failed attempts at satire - "There's a difference between comically deconstructing something and just standing around laughing at roadkill." He said that in a review of Pain and Gain, a movie he described as "grotesquely inappropriate" so take that for whatever it's worth, and he was talking specifically about filmmakers attempting darkly comedic satire - both ones he considered to be successful or failures, and by filmmakers he considered intelligent and ones he did not; he cites Paul Verhoeven's rationale behind the movie Showgirls as an example of a good filmmaker who by their own admission failed their own attempt at it even with the best of intentions. But my point is I think this applies to literary criticism as well as the thing being examined. All creatives have a goal in mind with what they are doing, even a basic one, but it is only the audience who gets to arbitrate if that was done successfully - critics at their best try to elucidate that in a clear, witty way that deepens our relationship with the text. Most of these 'reviewers', to use the term generously, do the exact opposite.
By "literary criticism" do mean critics themselves? Literary criticism regards books or "literature". In any case when criticism is itself being produced as pop performance art - and it's hard to argue it isn't - I agree that those pieces are themselves valid targets of critique.
@raggedcritical - 'literary' in this context applies to the type of critique, as in an essay or review published in a newspaper column, magazine, periodical, book, website etc, not to the medium it is critiquing, ie a book, so it still fits imho. Bob typically scripts his reviews and uses typical literary criticism techniques, as do many similar critics - you have beginning middle end structure, you summarise the work in question, highlight strengths and weaknesses, you make your concluding argument and maybe give it some sort of rating. This would be as distinct from a bunch of people in a studio or on camera or on a microphone or online on social media just chatting about the thing - that's not inherently bad, it's possible to still review something and to do a good job, but it's not the same thing, and I think giving those two styles equal weight is part of the problem.
Only tangentially related, but the dood wigging out over Parasite and Joker always makes me shake my head. What is a more important commentary on society than Joker? Parasite. The movie you clearly didn't watch that comments on broadly the same issues but does it a thousand times better.
I used to follow that guy, as he started fairly levelheaded. I bailed when he admitted in a livestream he was saying "anti-woke" BS for money. Did the same with ComicCast when it became obvious all that was coming was ragebait.
I actually recently watched a very nuanced comparison between 2019 Joker and Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, and there clearly is stuff to talk about with Joker even if Parasite "does the Joker's themes better". It's not supposed to be a contest. The funny thing is I believe you are only discounting Joker as a response to the absolute moronic far-right grifter bullshit lauding it as "the next big thing". In some way, I think you might have trapped yourself in their rhetoric, but in the opposite direction if you think Joker has *nothing* to talk about or nothing to say about society. Now, you might genuinely dislike Joker disregarding Parasite existing or that bullshit artist you mentioned saying "Joker is more important than Parasite". But if your response to that is not "both Joker and Parasite make good points about society, and this manchild doesn't seem interested in that at all", but instead it's "I hate this manchild's rhetoric of Joker being more important than Parasite, therefore Joker is actually *far less* important than Parasite", then you've fallen into the black and white binary trap Bob's been talking about in this video. The binary THEY created. tl;dr: Stop acting like 2019 Joker's themes have nothing to say at all about today's society, because it sounds only like a counter-reaction to the reactionary far right grifters, and it makes you a sucker to their rhetoric.
I personally thought Joker was offensively inoffensive. I felt no differently about it than I did stuff like The Last Jedi and Captain Marvel - competent at worst but ultimately just kind of there.
Remember the big sport thingy a couple weeks ago? The quote that best summed up rage-tube then was "Your anger about Taylor Swift says nothing about Taylor Swift herself, and instead says everything about the quality of human being you are." I feel like the same applies to rage-tube and their obsession with Stuckman.
I don't get it, years ago, Stuckmann *said* that as a filmmaker himself, he wasn't going to do overly negative reviews anymore. Nobody whined then, jeez,
My main issue is, half these people haven't a clue ABOUT the thing they're overly-angry about. SOOOO invested in this, but they don't even understand it. Like, "ZOMG! Comic books are woke? And they have GIIIIIRLS in them!? EEEEWW! NO! It's not WOKE! The comic books about a team of people born different and hated for it made in 1963 is about WHAT!? You mean to tell me the female Amazonian created by a vocal feminist doctor traveling to 'Man's World' and finding it fallen and in need of saving due to aggression who uses a canonical BDSM weapon to bring TRUTH from people is WOOOOKE!? WHAT!?" All that investment and anger to miss the point...tragic. Media literacy is gagging.
I saw that Stuckmann video and I went about my day. It did not occur to me to get mad at him over anything he said. I'll take that to mean I'm a functioning human being.
He went from an affable nerd demonstrating the viability of a back scabbard to just another opportunistic hate-mongering shouty beard-man. It's so heartbreaking.
@@grahamkristensen9301 I guess they do tend to romanticize a period made up of authoritarian regimes, all of whom serve even bigger authoritarian regimes.
I saw that Ghostbusters film. It was genuinely pretty good for the first half, then took a bit of a nosedive and became pretty haphazard to the point of forgettable. I don’t bring it up in conversation, but other people do and keep being surprised when I say I’ve both watched it and it was fine (strong first half, weak second). It honestly says more about how successful the film was that it keeps taking up space in people’s brains this many years later. There are mountains of films I’ve seen over the years that I can barely remember I’ve seen nor think about as much as a day or two later, let alone years late like this. Keep up the good work Bob. While I could use a similar description of your channel as you did for the other guy you mentioned (honestly already forgot his name); I unlike you don’t watch every movie or tv show because it’s not my job. I appreciate your videos because I’ll never have the time or even motivation to watch everything I’d enjoy.
I love Chris. I've been a fan of his for years, but upon meeting him twice and realizing how humble he is, I support him even more. I even backed his movie and bought both his books.
his "only saying nice things because now I am also a film maker" shtick is very bad, though. he should rather just stop talking about movies if he can't say what our eyes see.
@@RawbeardX Except there is a difference between 'talk about flaws in a movie' and 'just kicking people when they're down.' And clearly he got the point across in his video. He said he wasn't gonna talk about the movie because it was bad and people shouldn't see it. Anything after that is just beating a dead horse.
@@RawbeardX It's an industry none of us truly know. As much as film dominates my life, I have never been involved in film production. I never had a passion project made or a studio hire, nothing. Chris has seen the industry and has friends who work in it. If he doesn't want to dump all over movies but instead talk about films he truly cares about, I don't see an issue. He's not involved in the Keyboard War, he's just telling his fans to see good movies and support good movies. Non-issue, a Nothing Burger if you will.
@@RawbeardXWhy is it a problem that he only discusses things he enjoys? Why do you need your negative opinion on something validated and repeated back to you? Are you afraid of independent thinking? Do you need to be part of an in-group?
That “opportunist” clip will never cease to amaze me. The idea that you’d be offended that someone would attempt to be into something you enjoy…like dude you’re an ethereal virgin. There is no bigger loser energy.
8:53 - Glad you brought this up. James' response to all the fuss this non-review got was...nothing. He didn't refer to it afterwards or anything. And within a couple of weeks everyone except me and Bob forgot it ever happened. This is what Stuckmann should do. Wait until the mob moves to the next thing.
This is my problem with Star Wars now. I have legit criticisms and I even didn't like Aksoka (well the overall story parts of it were very good) but in order to have a discussion I had to defend it against the relentless tide of negativity. You can't have a discussion, everything is polarized. Even saying that something is flawed gets hijacked.
I liked that series but I already thought the writing was the weakest aspect of The Mandalorian even before Season 3, which I dropped two episodes in because there was nothing new.
I'm in the same boat. I've loved Star Wars for three decades now, but I can't bring myself to go anywhere near discussion spaces anymore because of how toxic it is. I even agree (in principle) with some of the "mainstream" opinions, but the very act of expressing my agreement sounds utterly exhausting.
Honestly I think modern Star wars is fine, but I feel like I always have to qualify it and like a lot of Star wars stuff just kinda falls in the middle of the road in quality (same thing with marvel right now honestly) and the stuff I think is legitimately bad (the prequels) has been propped up by a really good TV show and I feel like people conflate the two cause they're connected. Even the people who like the prequels usually qualify it cause they grew up with or have a deeper connection to it than I do. It's all very frustrating cause some of the discourse is legitimate and some of it is "omg wimen are taking over" cause a lot of movies are adding strong female characters.
I dipped my toes in the “pretend to be angry for the lols” review of a shark movie couple years back. It was so so tiring I can’t imagine how miserable it must be to pretend this anger.
How dare Chris Stuckman! How could he possibly decide to look at bad movies from a new angle as opposed to just bashing them over and over again for easy views! It's like the Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have completely destroyed film criticism for an entire generation!
@@christopherb501 CinemaSins does it for the lolz. If you look at their very early videos, they were far more critical of actual plot holes than now. These days, they sin everything from cliches to too many logos. Their fans demand ever higher and higher sin counts (one only has to look at the F&F franchise for proof of that) in exchange for high viewings. I can't fault them for that, because they aren't really movie critics. Critical Drinker on the other hand....
I have to say, Mr. Chipman, this is the most autobiographical Big Picture you've put out yet. You use Mr. Stuckman as a way to talk of how our own Gen X is realizing we're no longer part of the zeitgeist. I was reminded today that a former Facebook analyst talked of how engaging strong emotions like anger drove their algorithm. TH-cam has used theirs to drive us ALL off the cliff.
I feel like YT has just become a massive outlier on the Internet at best and a hotbed for bigotry at worst. Look at how much skepticism there was towards Barbie compared to how highly anticipated it was otherwise.
@@LinkMarioSamus TH-cam also has lots of positive and very great informative and cool content though and that is the stuff that mostly shows up in my algorithm/ feed 🍻
I believe you once said Bob, that if a movie made the popcorn taste a little better, then that’s enough. That’s been a nice way to ground myself and not get too upset after watching a movie, like say ‘The Marvels’ that hoped would be great but wasn’t. Did I enjoy my time? Kinda. Do I regret having watched it? No. Okay then, it’s fine. Art is hard, making movies is not easy, the fact Marvel and Disney did so well for so long is kinda miraculous. Also, I continue to enjoy ‘Really That Bad’ because of a truly nuanced and in depth way you explored why BVS:DoJ was bad. I actually learned a lot about how to examine a film and my own option on it from that series.
What truly infuriates me is when a "woke" move is legitimately middling/bad and it makes all the nut jobs point and say "called it", even though the reasons they're mad about are not the reasons a movie isn't great. They don't even have to be bad movies, even just a "meh it was OK" level movie makes them feel justified in the end and it becomes hard for actual adults to talk about movies without these idiots either chiming in or getting justification from it
Like seriously, I feel shitty about my life but I think hear those guys and have to think: I'm apparently doing pretty good because I have other things to think about, unlike that idiot shouting about women
Allow me to quote a cynical arsehole here who's actually funny. "So thanks to all these scumbags of the internet, middle aged men shouting about shit that doesn't really matter. For reminding us that whatever we do in life, we'll always be better than they are.
Agreed! Honestly, I was having a crappy week that week so it gave me the escapist fun movies were always supposed to be. I had my fun,went on with my life and watched confused as people acted like it was the worst thing ever. Gotta love the 2020s.
Hey Bob A really long time ago you were in a contest on this website called ScrewAttack, And you had some pretty stiff competition including fully animated features. But I voted for you! I voted for you back then, for the same reason I listen to you now, you can articulately describe your exact feeling towards something, And it's always clear you put enough thought into it. Not just since TH-cam, but newspapers and the news in general, people have always been more attracted to negativity than positivity. Thanks for being something like an Alka-Seltzer and bringing a little pH balance to the whole affair
In their terms... bastion of not having women in prominent roles, lgbt people in prominent roles, black people... at all really, etc. @@graysontowler136
13:54 Right there with you about The Marvels. It was an entertaining 1 hour and 45 minutes. It delivered what I expected after seeing the trailers; a farce-inspired superhero movie, with some good performances, good chemistry between the leads, and a bunch of laughs and/or chuckles. The Marvels kept doing what the MCU has basically been doing since the start: Picking a genre (in this case farce), combining it with superheroes and seeing what works. As you say; it's fine. A solid 7/10.
I thought the same. Thought it maybe would have worked better as a part of a Ms Marvel season 2 from the central "location swapping" gimmick alone, which feels a lot more "Arrowverse mid-season crossover" than something that belongs in a capital-M Movie. I did love the bit where they visit the musical planet and she changes her uniform into a ball gown because she's a princess there. I would have liked to see a lot more of that, showing how she'd been keeping the peace and building relationships on other worlds - but I guess that would have been more "Captain Marvel 2" than anything and that wasn't the movie that Marvel wanted to make.
Same, but that's probably because I can watch TF out of a terrible movie if it's not boring or doesn't try to hard to be entertaining to the point where it turns into 90 minutes of 'lol look at how Wacky we are. Isn't this just SO wacky ' 🤪🤪
I felt the same way. Fun cast, decent beats, loved the cats and the singing planet. I had a good time and the fact aht it was some kind of new metric for badness just annoyed me more than anything in or around the movie.
I feel the James Rolfe thing was also because he started hanging out with JonTron at the time for some god awful reason, it kinda gave the impression this was a far-right turn into "the character I played is now the actual personI am"
Personally, I doubt that. James has always been careful to not let his work get too political one way or the other. I highly doubt Jontron would be much of an influence there one way or the other.
// "The Internet is furious because one of TH-cam's biggest movie critics talked about the business of movies and hard work of filmmaking instead of following the crowd for another tedious target-of-the-week "beatdown" of a bad movie." Pretty much my exact thought when I saw the Outrage Media engine spin up around Stuckmann's critique of the movie industry. The myriad of videos that came out in response struck me as based initially in a cynical attempt to cash in a disingenuous and incomplete reading of Stuckmann's video essay, which basically just used discourse of Madame Web as a segue into talking about the movie industry. He did use a thumbnail of Madame Web as well...... the total effect of this plus his early mention of the movie, that was probably just for the algorithm, who everyone must pay heed of if they intend to make a living on social media. But anyone who actually watched the whole video essay KNOWS it's not him sidestepping the movie, so much as pointing towards the system that predictably created yet another dumpster fire of a movie.
"By choosing not to do easy bullshit anti-woke bait or even just 'haha, bad movie is bad' content bait and still succeed, he's putting a spotlight on how tacky, empty, Follow the Leader phony this 'last honest man truth spewing' schtick really is, and how lazy the discourse machine they serve is". That sums it up.
There's nothing like doing it yourself to make you understand the struggle of creatives. It's why I bristle whenever online idiots talk up how everyone is doing writing wrong. They're usually the folks who hire me as ghostwriter to turn their word vomit into an actual script.
But on the other hand, have you considered the point of view of his critics, "waah waah waah, he didn't say the girl movie is woke and bad, so I'm gonna flood my diapers over it"? It's a subtle and nuanced take.
Our Bob who art in TH-cam, give us today our daily dose of much-needed perspective. Forgive us our pointless nerd rage, as we forgive those who have raged against us. Lead us not into the alt right, but deliver us from bullshit. In Bob We Trust.
Here's my question: what the hell could Stuckmann say that everyone hasn't already said? At best, it would've been a variation of "Madame Web is bad" because that's the general consensus.
My guess, and it's not something I could back with data or anything but coming from personal observation, is that it's not about insight or actual criticism; what set them off was refusing to participate in a "Daily Hate" required by this sort of audience. (An audience led and guided by folks who use "1984" as a playbook instead of a cautionary tale.)
I heard of Ben Affleck telling this story...somewhere and it got reported: He once kinda trashed a movie (which movie is irrelevant). Not to harsh but not good. This was after he himself had taken up being a director. He then attended a dinner party at Paul T. Anderson's house. Anderson pulls him aside. He says "Ben, you can't be out here attacking your fellow directors. Sometimes all we got is each other. You gotta support them. You don't have to say nice things, but you can't be saying bad things." Look, I have never heard of Stuckman until this video, but this strikes a similar tone. You want to stick by the people in your community, cool. No comment is fine. Bob wants to do that later, cool, that's his prerogative.
Very gratified that my two go-to critics agree on this. Since I’m just genuinely sad they messed up the first extended spider people thing. And it’s basically like Dakota said I’d it’s 4 beautiful spider women. I wanted to love this so much. I cannot hate it now.
BOB IS A FUCKING OASIS IN A DESERT OF BULLSHT! Thank you for being intelligent and measured. One of the few in a sea of angry man crap. Keep doing this Bob. Big love to you.
As you mentioned - I've seen well meaning people bash Stuckmann which has made me even more confused about this whole thing, I feel lke I'm going crazy.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I thought it was perfectly fine though it would've done better if Sony hadn't tried to cut out all of its ties to the Amazing Spiderman universe.
I'm a greatly looking forward to his new series, but does anyone know what happened to Bob's Really That Good series? Has that more or less wrapped up?
I don't watch a lot of movie discourse, just Bob, Chris, and occasionally Jeremy Jahns and Dan Murrell, so I didn't realize Chris' video had ignited the shit storm that it has, and it feels good to see Bob on the right side of it.
I happened to find your channel because of the Nintendo Power farewell video right before you posted the Pixels review. I shared it with so many friends, and we all generally agreed with it. But I stuck around here because your reviews are so honest. You praise the good as much as you tear apart the bad, and it's a shame that all these other reviewers (who really are just copying you) didn't follow in your more balanced approach. As for Chris, I've always respected him as a creator. He's honest, fair, and generally thinks through his opinions. The big irony in that is that if he loved a movie, I would likely hate it, and if he reviewed it badly, I generally liked it. Lol. The only reason I eventually unsubscribed to his channel was just a lack of interest in new movies. You're the only reviewer I still watch regularly.
I tell ya, a few years ago I stopped watching CinemaSins and people raging, and swapped to CinemaWins and people gushing about what they love...and it's just so much more enjoyable a time.
Respectfully we as an audience trust specific movie reviewers because we align mostly with their taste and they take the time to honestly report on films good and bad. It's up to the audience afterwards to decide if we want to dedicate an hour and a half to 2 hours of our life watching an mediocre/bad film. I respect not wanting to pile on to a dumpster fire of a film. But I've had movies I've decided I wasn't going to watch. And after your review I gave it a chance and enjoyed myself and that's why audiences want you to review bad movies honestly. If you find something redeeming or even find certain great moments in an otherwise awful film maybe we wanna see those too.
That's why I liked Ebert's comments on films having to do with sex. Dude worked with Russ Meyer. He knew his stuff when it came to smut.@@christopherb501
There are a lot of popular critics who don't do negative reviews. Like, I don't think Patrick Willems has ever done one. Stuckman's sin was calling attention to it, which made people who revel in it feel judged. It's like the equivalent of being a vegan.
I really enjoyed The Marvels, flawed as it was, and when I first realized that Madame Web was a Spider-Women movie I was genuinely excited. I immediately knew what two comic stories it drew most of its inspiration from, and I figured, even if it wasn't good, it at least wouldn't be boring. I ended up not seeing it, because I'm no longer convinced that Sony didn't manage to make such a wacky-seeming concept actually unenjoyable. So there goes my only chance to see Mattie Franklin in something new and worthwhile, I guess? Well, I assume I'll watch it sooner or later, but I wish the Sony suits could just stop doing whatever it is they're doing with all these not-Spidey projects.
I don't feel like ever watching Madame Web. So I won't. That was the end of it for me. I saw some info about it, I went "not watching this crap", I moved on. I haven't thought about it much since. I can't fathom being angry for more than a day or two about that movie (or really, any movie). A week or two if I am REALLY invested and then REALLY disappointed (are there people invested in frickin' Madam Web? C'mon.) And yet. The Internet, to quote "Hellraiser", has such sights to show me.
Like, he clearly didn't like the film but didn't want to rethread what everyone else was saying, and instead focus on the issues that are important to him! The internet is so trash, ugh!
Nicely said, Bob. I made a video once where I basically admonished the people who were sending Rian Johnson death threats after The Last Jedi. As a response, in my comments, I got death threats. Not sure what else I was expecting.😒
@@johnathonhaney8291 Yeah, half of me was like…”There’s no way people could actually stoop this low, is there?” And turns out that yup, there was a way. Thankfully they’re the exception rather than the rule!
People are actually mad someone didn't bother joining in the tearing apart of a dead horse and instead took the opportunity to talk about how absolutely fucked the Hollywood system of movie production has become? ....Why? Near everyone across the internet seemingly agrees that that's a fact at this point.
This little "controversy" only goes to show how broken YT movie commentary is. God forbid someone with a platform use that platform for something other than tediously screeching about how much "woke hollywood" is ruining the world, or trashing the latest pop culture target.
Listen between the shrieks and you can hear the actual song they're singing. A whole generation has grown up while they weren't looking, one that will outnumber us Gen Xers as much as the Boomers once did. So they become obnoxiously, stupidly repugnant to the point where no one will miss them when they go.
This whole internet echo chamber of middle-aged men who act like the whole world is concerned about the performance of movies/shows that are aimed at 12 year olds is hilarious.
And pathetic. It reminds me of what Warren Ellis said about comics being a young man's game and if you stayed too long, you'd see Krusty The Klown staring back at you in the mirror.
@@mabusestestament My question: sells to who and for how long? Gen Z strikes me as not giving that much of a shit on any of this and their numbers are going to dwarf older generations soon enough.
I tend to approach stuff like this with something akin to the macguffin test. Quick recap of the macguffin test: can you exchange "the thing everyone is looking for" into "a big bag of gold" and change nothing else and end with the same result? If yes, then you have a macguffin and it ultimately doesnt actually matter on any measurable metric. Tangentially related: can you exchange ONE trait on a character that you like to an equivalent trait you don't like (or vise-versa exchange ONE trait you don't like for one you do like) and change NOTHING else, do you still have the same opinion? If not, then what you love or hate isnt that character, but that trait, and should probably reevaluate your priorities. Using Madame Web as a jumping off point since we're already here: would these critics care half as much if this was Senor Web saving three young boys? All of the writing, effects, cinematography, etc being exactly identical other than the gender of the lead characters. I will give the caveat that this isnt necessarily applicable in all circumstances, but is a broadly applicable tool that I like to employ as part of my own critical thinking exercises. This can also apply to other aspects beyond just characters. Also, "failing" this test isnt necessarily always a bad thing. Sometimes being able to identify a trait you do generate undue bias for is just helping your own self-discovery (so long as you can maturely move forward taking ownership for that bias).
At this point sony doesn't care about making good movies as long they still have the Spider-man movie rights. And it seems sony rather lose money than lose the rights to Spider-man. Sony probably rushed their movies since they are worried about the expiration date. They are desperate to keep Spider-man they are so desperate they will make any characters from the Spider-man comics to get their own movie like the upcoming flim El Muerto.
Basically, that's it, which is honestly, card-carryingly stupid. What good are those rights doing you if the films you pump out are costing you money? WB got a billion dollar box office out of Joker and Aquaman yet none of that could cover for the other failures on that same ledger. You have to wonder how much longer Sony the parent company is going to put with Sony Pictures making these kinds of sucker bets.
Maybe my opinion is weird but I don't consider you a movie reviewer, I consider you a "Movie Educator". I found your show years ago and I continue to watch it because you show me stuff that I didn't know. Whether it's an old movie that I've never heard of, Schlocktober, an opinion that I hadn't thought of or just affirmation for the movies that I like, "Really That Good". Thank You, Good Luck and carry on.
As a point of reference, I used to watch "Siskel and Ebert". I agreed mostly with Ebert but respected both their opinions and still missed them greatly.
Meanwhile, Star Wars fans: "It's like poetry. It rhymes." Maybe I was just naive, but I was kind of shocked to see Prequel Hate 2.0 over the sequels, as though no one remembered what an embarrassing farce it was the first time around. Especially since there are plenty of Millennials who liked the prequels all along, and took shit for it from angry Xers, before the prequels finally (mostly) came to be accepted. Seeing them turn around and do the exact same thing to Z and Alpha fans of the sequels was just... disheartening.
@indianaCurtis For real! They need to get those film rights back ASAP! The idiots at Sony just keep prolonging the inevitable, rather than focusing on properties that they actually own!
@@jordanloux3883i mean we gotta wait for the Supreme Court (they never will) to break Disney back up into independent companies for the parks, animation, star wars, marvel, pixar, etc etc Because yeah, real problematic monopoly.
You do know Disney was behind the Spider-Man in the MCU deal breaking down right? This Sony hate is real tiresome, especially given they’re like the only major studio not reliant on expensive tentpoles.
12:08 "The downfall" really 🤨. Also, props for bringing up that thing about James Rolf I had forgotten about that as well as when Richard Roper got attacked for disliking that same film 🤔. Another mention could go to when Patrick H Williams did a video on plot holes, and this whole boondoggle reminded me of that 🤔.
I've been in the TH-cam Prefers To Push Negative Content Because It Drives More Engagement camp for a while now. It's why I've stopped following some reviewers (and actively avoid others). It's a little harder to do on Facebook, so there I adopt the "oh really, why" approach with 'haters' and encourage them to clearly say just what it is about, say, the new Doctor Who they don't like. No implications or just calling it 'woke', I want them to actually spell it out. Weirdly enough, most of them just don't have the guts to be fully honest about their opinions. Or they tell me to 'do my own research'.
Thank you! As others have said, at first I was completely confused by the backlash Chris’ video got before realizing most of the channels lashing back were ones who frequently had Madame Web “reviews” with warped thumbnails of actresses faces and some variety of the words “Sony’s Woke Failure” printed alongside. Chris never argued that Madame Web was a good movie & I can almost guarantee that there aren’t any videos where someone reviews the movie & claims it’s good because it stars an all female cast of heroes. I consider myself a woke progressive & have no problem saying the movie was dreadful & not worth the time or effort anyone put into it. But the populous of anti-woke rage machines on YT, as you suggested, live according to the delusion that anyone not as furious as them about their self-invented nightmares of a harmful “woke agenda” destroying culture is an enemy & so a reviewer like Chris not only choosing not to take their stance but to openly not lay the blame for the film at the hands of the actresses involved or the writer but instead solely at the feet of the executive engine that deliberately chooses to churn out product first & art last made him their “enemy”. It’s the absolute most pathetic way to engage with media.
I have to admit I hadn't noticed that Stuckman had made that Madame Web video. It looks like I have a video to watch now, and supportive comments to place.
Wait - people are hating on Stuckman for this video!? I saw it, it was well reasoned and something more that the 2583rd video review jus bashing the movie. He doesn't even do regular reviews of new releases anymore! This is why I'm glad I've abandoned Xitter - I didn't even know there was a "backlash" until now. I also suspect it is mostly astroturf backlash from a lot of misogynistic content churners looking for easy clicks. Stay great Chris!
Truth is Mr. Chipman should probably abandon the dead bird himself, sooner being better. It's so toxic, it makes TH-cam look like a well-regulated platform of ironclad ethics.
8:30 I never understood the “Japan is our last bastion” mindset. Did they seriously forget just how many girly looking effeminate men there were in 90s anime?
It's the last bastion because they don't understand Japanese culture. They're able to be outsiders and not have to really wrestle with what most of this art says about Japanese culture and their relationship with politics/gender/sexuality/etc. Also they're more free to cherry pick shit without getting called out.
The problem is with the people. Hate and anger get views. There's one channel that did "10 reasons NOT to move to this state" and eventually did all 50 states. Along the way he also did "10 reasons TO move to this state" and did most of the states, but he admitted the negative videos had more views and it wasn't worth his time to do the positive videos. It's too bad because my homestate was one of the few he hadn't yet done. I'm not sure a positive TH-cam channel can make it anymore or if it ever really had a chance.
Yeah it’s unfortunate how our attention works like that. I think there are solutions that would make the internet better and be good for our mental health but they’d probably require much stricter restrictions than most would be comfortable with. The next best thing is to just encourage people to not engage with stuff like that as much as the things they really love. That’s part of why I love the “really that good” series Bob did.
So what? The obvious question then is "does it really matter how many people watch your video?" Like when offering any goods or services, what matters is how many people need it, not whether you can saturate a market with it regardless.
yeah I do find myself gravitating more towards negative stuff, but only genuinely negative stuff where it's made clear the people reviewing it aren't faking it for rage and reviews, like Nostalgia Critic's review of Patch Adams, he legitimately hated that piece of shit and as someone who was forced to watch that shitfest in high school that review really resonated with me. None of that fake outrage stuff from alt-reich trolls is remotely appealing to me.
First time watching and new subscriber: I was both shocked and pleasantly surprised by the level of maturity expressed in a TH-cam video. Well said and say it again louder for the people in the back.
Welcome aboard...you should look over the Really That Bad trilogy he referenced in this video. Anger aside, it was a balanced and fair-minded dissection of WB's worst mistake as a studio.
The most interesting discussion around Madame Web is exactly how many of these bad SPUMC films Sony can release before they realise that they need to be good movies to stand a chance of making money
Yeah while rage can be entertaining every now and then if it justifies it. Chris take seemed more anti big corporation and pro artist but i can sort of see how people easily misunderstood his point. Still when i saw people call him a corporate shill got saying he didnt want to review it did kind of surprise me till i read more.
I've been saying for decades the exact same thing. "Eh, I guess that Movie/show/album/whatever was okay. I guess." is dead. It's either raping your childhood with it's dong of devilishness or the best thing to ever grace the silver screen. Evar. Moderation is dead.
I think your take on the Marvel's is right on. Probably because I watched WandaVision and Ms Marvel and the stories all culminated in the movie. Maybe because it was just a good movie. They cannot all have the im0act of Endgame. It took over ten years of good movies leading up to a movie for it to be great.
Gonna quote Moviebob a few weeks ago on this internet nerd outrage: "Aren't you tired!?"
Anger gets them out of bed.
@@nerag7459 Anger pays the bills (since there is no way these losers are ever getting real jobs after the crap they've said online)
Bro, I've been exhausted on this shit since at LEAST the pandemic. No relief in sight either.
It comes down to the question of if they actually believe what they are yelling - in that case they aren't tired, their self imagined righteousness motivates them - or if they just cynically say whatever they think will make them money. In that case they might be tired but just as anybody else they still go to work every day.
No not really.
If there's anything I've learned from observing online discourse for the better part of my teens and adulthood, it's that nuance is the internet's least favorite N word.
Good one.
Wauw! The fact that you're super right about this makes me sad.
Yup
Sharp joke, and I liked it.
Bob, I want to genuinely, sincerely thank you for being there to remind me that it isn’t just me that sees it.
"I don't want to bash movies so I'm not going to say anything about this film" is a review in and of itself.
Nooo… that involve being smart enough to read between the lines.
@@keychainere ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards."
In this day an age, expecting your viewers to infer the omitted "(but I see no way I could avoid bashing this one)" from the context, alas, means having too much faith in human intelligence.
- note to myself: pretty sure that Aeschylus already observed the same, in his time.
Yeah, I constantly need to remind myself that what seems obvious is totally unfathomable to a shocking number of people. It's perfectly clear he also thinks it's a bad film even just from the clip Bob played, yet here we are.
Is it a fear of intellectualism? A desire to express a deeper thought then "Movie bad"?! "No, make brain hurt to think. You must be talking down to me so now I'm angry." I feel this happens a lot.
Internet: "Your lack of outrage is outrageous! Your not calling this movie the worst thing ever is the WORST THING EVER! You, Internet reviewer, are the worst thing happening to movies. You, TH-camr, are ruining superhero movies!
If you won't spend twenty minutes spitting venom, I WILL!!"
The appropriate response to such: "fuck off and get therapy."
Channel Awesome and Something Awful has ruined media criticism.
@@kap1618 As Mr. Chipman himself would argue, you could include Cinema Sins on that list.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
I'll be honest, Bob - the first video I saw from you came from my recommended. It was the PIXELS review. I was bowled over by the seethign rage and creative, disgusting descriptions of the rage, but it was also overwhelming. I did click on the channel, curious if there was a whole heap of such reviews, and randomly clicked on another video - and was surprised how thoughtful, intelligent, and non-profane it was. The popularity of the Pixels review no doubt led to you being recommended to me, but I would have never stuck around for more than that. I was your other, more nuanced, passionate and articulate content that made me a fan who ahs stuck with you all these years. You've given me so many wonderful films to watch, and entertained me countless hours. I love what you do, and love to hear you talk about what you love. Occasionally I do enjoy a nerd rage rant from you, like the incredibly well-done BVS seven parter, ha ah, but I'm glad Pixels type stuff was mostly a one-off. I don't care for gross stuff like the AVGN content.
You're a gem, and I don't mean a 'good enough man', ha ha. A genuine gem.
One thing about James Rolfe that does not get pointed out enough is that his "seething manchild" act is just that: an act.
Yeah he's like the most chill dooder ever honestly haha.
plus he did actually see Ghostbusters 2016 and said he thought it was OK, but that happened on a podcast that not many people knew about it, I had a hell of a time actually finding it.
Exactly. Too many people watched him & instead of understanding that it was an act decided instead to make his act their lifestyle & pseudo-religion.
Also, he often makes (or at least made) videos with positive and passionate reviews talking about movies and stuff he likes and in an engaging and laidback way.
It's the Al Bundy Effect. If you create a character designed to mock simple people, all that happens is simple people cheer when they see someone like them on the screen.
When I first heard that Chris was getting blowback over this, I was confused because I found his take to be pretty sound and uncontroversial, but then I remembered something; people are very stupid sometimes.
That's what it all boils down to, yes. Good summary.
That's probably people's problem, it's uncontroversial.
sometimes...most times.
I'm so out of the loop I didn't even know there was a controversy until this video popped up. I saw the video Chris did and enjoyed getting a bit more perspective on how the big movies get made and what can go wrong.
Yeah I wouldn't even know about the blowback if it weren't for this video. I appreciate MovieBob for looping us in. I'm also glad not to be exposed to the toxicity of that part of the internet (at least in this case). And yeah I watched Stuckman's review and thought it was really good. He is both insightful and has a quality of compassion that is too often lacking online.
I'll admit, many years ago I was in on the outrage youtube train of "laugh at me being angry about a thing" but then something happened, the people I was watching mellowed out, they did more positive things, they grew up and with that, so did I. I found more joy in honest conversations, celebrating the good while still laughing at the bad. And laughing at the bad is not the same as "watch me be angry at this thing because its bad." I wish more people would get their head out of their ass and not contribute to the torment nexus algorithm.
Thank you, Bob, for being one of those people that doesn't succumb to the temptation of bashing for bashing's sake.
Times like this I'm reminded of a quote from Mark Kermode about satire, specifically failed attempts at satire - "There's a difference between comically deconstructing something and just standing around laughing at roadkill." He said that in a review of Pain and Gain, a movie he described as "grotesquely inappropriate" so take that for whatever it's worth, and he was talking specifically about filmmakers attempting darkly comedic satire - both ones he considered to be successful or failures, and by filmmakers he considered intelligent and ones he did not; he cites Paul Verhoeven's rationale behind the movie Showgirls as an example of a good filmmaker who by their own admission failed their own attempt at it even with the best of intentions.
But my point is I think this applies to literary criticism as well as the thing being examined. All creatives have a goal in mind with what they are doing, even a basic one, but it is only the audience who gets to arbitrate if that was done successfully - critics at their best try to elucidate that in a clear, witty way that deepens our relationship with the text. Most of these 'reviewers', to use the term generously, do the exact opposite.
Pain and Gain is a damn good movie he was dead fucking wrong there.
@jacksonteller3973 - pretty sure that wasn't the point I was making, but if that's what you wanna take a way from it, fine.
By "literary criticism" do mean critics themselves? Literary criticism regards books or "literature". In any case when criticism is itself being produced as pop performance art - and it's hard to argue it isn't - I agree that those pieces are themselves valid targets of critique.
@raggedcritical - 'literary' in this context applies to the type of critique, as in an essay or review published in a newspaper column, magazine, periodical, book, website etc, not to the medium it is critiquing, ie a book, so it still fits imho. Bob typically scripts his reviews and uses typical literary criticism techniques, as do many similar critics - you have beginning middle end structure, you summarise the work in question, highlight strengths and weaknesses, you make your concluding argument and maybe give it some sort of rating. This would be as distinct from a bunch of people in a studio or on camera or on a microphone or online on social media just chatting about the thing - that's not inherently bad, it's possible to still review something and to do a good job, but it's not the same thing, and I think giving those two styles equal weight is part of the problem.
Only tangentially related, but the dood wigging out over Parasite and Joker always makes me shake my head. What is a more important commentary on society than Joker? Parasite. The movie you clearly didn't watch that comments on broadly the same issues but does it a thousand times better.
I used to follow that guy, as he started fairly levelheaded. I bailed when he admitted in a livestream he was saying "anti-woke" BS for money. Did the same with ComicCast when it became obvious all that was coming was ragebait.
I actually recently watched a very nuanced comparison between 2019 Joker and Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, and there clearly is stuff to talk about with Joker even if Parasite "does the Joker's themes better". It's not supposed to be a contest.
The funny thing is I believe you are only discounting Joker as a response to the absolute moronic far-right grifter bullshit lauding it as "the next big thing". In some way, I think you might have trapped yourself in their rhetoric, but in the opposite direction if you think Joker has *nothing* to talk about or nothing to say about society.
Now, you might genuinely dislike Joker disregarding Parasite existing or that bullshit artist you mentioned saying "Joker is more important than Parasite". But if your response to that is not "both Joker and Parasite make good points about society, and this manchild doesn't seem interested in that at all", but instead it's "I hate this manchild's rhetoric of Joker being more important than Parasite, therefore Joker is actually *far less* important than Parasite", then you've fallen into the black and white binary trap Bob's been talking about in this video. The binary THEY created.
tl;dr: Stop acting like 2019 Joker's themes have nothing to say at all about today's society, because it sounds only like a counter-reaction to the reactionary far right grifters, and it makes you a sucker to their rhetoric.
I personally thought Joker was offensively inoffensive. I felt no differently about it than I did stuff like The Last Jedi and Captain Marvel - competent at worst but ultimately just kind of there.
@@LinkMarioSamus not me as someone with mental health issues it really spoke to me.
Both movies are overrated imo.
"It's like if ai generated your boyfriend's perfect movie." Holy hel, what a brilliantly scathing takedown. That's incredible
Remember the big sport thingy a couple weeks ago? The quote that best summed up rage-tube then was "Your anger about Taylor Swift says nothing about Taylor Swift herself, and instead says everything about the quality of human being you are." I feel like the same applies to rage-tube and their obsession with Stuckman.
Kind of feeling like geek media is going full Star Wars dark side, getting intoxicated with the power of hate & rage, only to lose themselves.
I don't get it, years ago, Stuckmann *said* that as a filmmaker himself, he wasn't going to do overly negative reviews anymore. Nobody whined then, jeez,
Probably because people didn't care about Stuckmann until he got wrapped up in the latest alt-right punching bag
Trump happened and the grifters found an easy audience to boost them.
Everything's perpetually in a void with these people; you can make a thousand such announcements, and STILL people will conveniently miss them.
This is the comment i look for! I salute you 🫡
Well he had those “hilariosity” reviews for a while though.
My main issue is, half these people haven't a clue ABOUT the thing they're overly-angry about. SOOOO invested in this, but they don't even understand it. Like, "ZOMG! Comic books are woke? And they have GIIIIIRLS in them!? EEEEWW! NO! It's not WOKE! The comic books about a team of people born different and hated for it made in 1963 is about WHAT!? You mean to tell me the female Amazonian created by a vocal feminist doctor traveling to 'Man's World' and finding it fallen and in need of saving due to aggression who uses a canonical BDSM weapon to bring TRUTH from people is WOOOOKE!? WHAT!?"
All that investment and anger to miss the point...tragic.
Media literacy is gagging.
I saw that Stuckmann video and I went about my day. It did not occur to me to get mad at him over anything he said. I'll take that to mean I'm a functioning human being.
Man
Everytime I see what Shad has devolved into makes me sad
His initial videos about midieval construction stuff was interesting to me.
He went from an affable nerd demonstrating the viability of a back scabbard to just another opportunistic hate-mongering shouty beard-man. It's so heartbreaking.
@@BlueInkAlchemy Don't forget his extremely cringy crusade for the "artistic merit" of AI generated images.
The medieval history nerd to quasi-fascist pipeline is a short one.
@@grahamkristensen9301 I guess they do tend to romanticize a period made up of authoritarian regimes, all of whom serve even bigger authoritarian regimes.
@@RoonMianWhich is particularly funny when considering his brother has been one of the biggest art youtubers for ages now.
I saw that Ghostbusters film. It was genuinely pretty good for the first half, then took a bit of a nosedive and became pretty haphazard to the point of forgettable. I don’t bring it up in conversation, but other people do and keep being surprised when I say I’ve both watched it and it was fine (strong first half, weak second).
It honestly says more about how successful the film was that it keeps taking up space in people’s brains this many years later. There are mountains of films I’ve seen over the years that I can barely remember I’ve seen nor think about as much as a day or two later, let alone years late like this.
Keep up the good work Bob. While I could use a similar description of your channel as you did for the other guy you mentioned (honestly already forgot his name); I unlike you don’t watch every movie or tv show because it’s not my job. I appreciate your videos because I’ll never have the time or even motivation to watch everything I’d enjoy.
I love Chris. I've been a fan of his for years, but upon meeting him twice and realizing how humble he is, I support him even more. I even backed his movie and bought both his books.
his "only saying nice things because now I am also a film maker" shtick is very bad, though. he should rather just stop talking about movies if he can't say what our eyes see.
@@RawbeardX Except there is a difference between 'talk about flaws in a movie' and 'just kicking people when they're down.'
And clearly he got the point across in his video. He said he wasn't gonna talk about the movie because it was bad and people shouldn't see it. Anything after that is just beating a dead horse.
@@RawbeardX It's an industry none of us truly know. As much as film dominates my life, I have never been involved in film production. I never had a passion project made or a studio hire, nothing. Chris has seen the industry and has friends who work in it. If he doesn't want to dump all over movies but instead talk about films he truly cares about, I don't see an issue. He's not involved in the Keyboard War, he's just telling his fans to see good movies and support good movies. Non-issue, a Nothing Burger if you will.
@@RawbeardX Nobody owes you silence just because you don't like what they say. Man, the entitlement...
@@RawbeardXWhy is it a problem that he only discusses things he enjoys? Why do you need your negative opinion on something validated and repeated back to you? Are you afraid of independent thinking? Do you need to be part of an in-group?
That “opportunist” clip will never cease to amaze me. The idea that you’d be offended that someone would attempt to be into something you enjoy…like dude you’re an ethereal virgin. There is no bigger loser energy.
The forced it sucks/it rules dichotomy is a perfect summary of the current moment in criticism. Thanks for another good Big Picture.
10:33 How they completely misunderstood that very obvious scene is still beyond me. Love the grinds my gears bit!
Performative culture is the absolute ruination of modern discourse. Gawd, I'm so sick of the f'n loudmouths!
8:53 - Glad you brought this up. James' response to all the fuss this non-review got was...nothing. He didn't refer to it afterwards or anything. And within a couple of weeks everyone except me and Bob forgot it ever happened.
This is what Stuckmann should do. Wait until the mob moves to the next thing.
So my takeaway from this is....we need more episodes of Really That Good.
This is my problem with Star Wars now. I have legit criticisms and I even didn't like Aksoka (well the overall story parts of it were very good) but in order to have a discussion I had to defend it against the relentless tide of negativity. You can't have a discussion, everything is polarized. Even saying that something is flawed gets hijacked.
Just fyi.. That says more about you. (The company you keep)
@@mindlander oh you mean on the internet where any old asshole with an opinion can chime in? even when its not wanted? get real
I liked that series but I already thought the writing was the weakest aspect of The Mandalorian even before Season 3, which I dropped two episodes in because there was nothing new.
I'm in the same boat. I've loved Star Wars for three decades now, but I can't bring myself to go anywhere near discussion spaces anymore because of how toxic it is. I even agree (in principle) with some of the "mainstream" opinions, but the very act of expressing my agreement sounds utterly exhausting.
Honestly I think modern Star wars is fine, but I feel like I always have to qualify it and like a lot of Star wars stuff just kinda falls in the middle of the road in quality (same thing with marvel right now honestly) and the stuff I think is legitimately bad (the prequels) has been propped up by a really good TV show and I feel like people conflate the two cause they're connected. Even the people who like the prequels usually qualify it cause they grew up with or have a deeper connection to it than I do. It's all very frustrating cause some of the discourse is legitimate and some of it is "omg wimen are taking over" cause a lot of movies are adding strong female characters.
I dipped my toes in the “pretend to be angry for the lols” review of a shark movie couple years back. It was so so tiring I can’t imagine how miserable it must be to pretend this anger.
I think people getting angry at Stuckmann for not feeding the rage machine is the best indication that he's absolutely right than I could ask for
How dare Chris Stuckman! How could he possibly decide to look at bad movies from a new angle as opposed to just bashing them over and over again for easy views! It's like the Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic have completely destroyed film criticism for an entire generation!
Don't forget CinemaSins
@@christopherb501 Them too
Chris Stuckmann is just contradicting himself with every sentence that comes out of his mouth.
@@christopherb501 CinemaSins does it for the lolz. If you look at their very early videos, they were far more critical of actual plot holes than now. These days, they sin everything from cliches to too many logos. Their fans demand ever higher and higher sin counts (one only has to look at the F&F franchise for proof of that) in exchange for high viewings. I can't fault them for that, because they aren't really movie critics. Critical Drinker on the other hand....
@@Carlos-ln8fd no he's not nazi troll
I appreciate Bob lowkey pointing out that he helped birth this genre
FD in the house.✌🏾
I have to say, Mr. Chipman, this is the most autobiographical Big Picture you've put out yet. You use Mr. Stuckman as a way to talk of how our own Gen X is realizing we're no longer part of the zeitgeist.
I was reminded today that a former Facebook analyst talked of how engaging strong emotions like anger drove their algorithm. TH-cam has used theirs to drive us ALL off the cliff.
haHA! its destroying civilization
@@SgtKaneGunlock No, just the parts we online Gen Xers decided to camp in. As Mr. Chipman says often, this is anything but the real world.
I feel like YT has just become a massive outlier on the Internet at best and a hotbed for bigotry at worst. Look at how much skepticism there was towards Barbie compared to how highly anticipated it was otherwise.
@@LinkMarioSamus To name one example of far too many.
@@LinkMarioSamus
TH-cam also has lots of positive and very great informative and cool content though and that is the stuff that mostly shows up in my algorithm/ feed 🍻
I believe you once said Bob, that if a movie made the popcorn taste a little better, then that’s enough. That’s been a nice way to ground myself and not get too upset after watching a movie, like say ‘The Marvels’ that hoped would be great but wasn’t. Did I enjoy my time? Kinda. Do I regret having watched it? No. Okay then, it’s fine. Art is hard, making movies is not easy, the fact Marvel and Disney did so well for so long is kinda miraculous.
Also, I continue to enjoy ‘Really That Bad’ because of a truly nuanced and in depth way you explored why BVS:DoJ was bad. I actually learned a lot about how to examine a film and my own option on it from that series.
What truly infuriates me is when a "woke" move is legitimately middling/bad and it makes all the nut jobs point and say "called it", even though the reasons they're mad about are not the reasons a movie isn't great. They don't even have to be bad movies, even just a "meh it was OK" level movie makes them feel justified in the end and it becomes hard for actual adults to talk about movies without these idiots either chiming in or getting justification from it
Wow... wow those guys losing their shit... I gotta be honest, that was a great self-esteem booster.
Like seriously, I feel shitty about my life but I think hear those guys and have to think: I'm apparently doing pretty good because I have other things to think about, unlike that idiot shouting about women
For certain...whatever our life choices, they were infinitely better than those of the rage pushers.
Ever feeling bad? Not good enough? Worthless? Lol you wont after you see these pos lol
Allow me to quote a cynical arsehole here who's actually funny. "So thanks to all these scumbags of the internet, middle aged men shouting about shit that doesn't really matter. For reminding us that whatever we do in life, we'll always be better than they are.
Bob hitting the nail on the head once again. Whenever someone asks my why I steer clear of "fandoms" I point them to several of these videos.
What does this even mean?
@@mindlander Exactly what it said...those videos are a horrid look into the minds of said "fandoms". None of what is there is healthy.
*"fanaticisms"
13:56 I think the marvels was a fine movie. Not perfect, but not garbage. A fine watchable Marvel movie. No where near the worst in the MCU.
Agreed! Honestly, I was having a crappy week that week so it gave me the escapist fun movies were always supposed to be. I had my fun,went on with my life and watched confused as people acted like it was the worst thing ever. Gotta love the 2020s.
Hey Bob
A really long time ago you were in a contest on this website called ScrewAttack, And you had some pretty stiff competition including fully animated features.
But I voted for you! I voted for you back then, for the same reason I listen to you now, you can articulately describe your exact feeling towards something, And it's always clear you put enough thought into it.
Not just since TH-cam, but newspapers and the news in general, people have always been more attracted to negativity than positivity.
Thanks for being something like an Alka-Seltzer and bringing a little pH balance to the whole affair
Ooh, This Movie Exists sounds like an all purpose Schlocktober and I’m here for that!
"Japan, our last bastion" Yuck.
I have noticed a lot of far right comments on youtube have anime avatars
Last bastion of what? I’d try to figure it out for myself, but I figured I’d ask in case you felt like saving me from a dip into a toxic swamp…
@@graysontowler136 Last bastion of "anti-woke" basically...which, if you know Japanese culture and/or media on the deep level, is hilarious.
Yeah, they love the superficial idea of a monoethnic and strictly hierarchal society.@@HolyAlric
In their terms... bastion of not having women in prominent roles, lgbt people in prominent roles, black people... at all really, etc. @@graysontowler136
13:54 Right there with you about The Marvels. It was an entertaining 1 hour and 45 minutes. It delivered what I expected after seeing the trailers; a farce-inspired superhero movie, with some good performances, good chemistry between the leads, and a bunch of laughs and/or chuckles.
The Marvels kept doing what the MCU has basically been doing since the start: Picking a genre (in this case farce), combining it with superheroes and seeing what works. As you say; it's fine. A solid 7/10.
I thought the same. Thought it maybe would have worked better as a part of a Ms Marvel season 2 from the central "location swapping" gimmick alone, which feels a lot more "Arrowverse mid-season crossover" than something that belongs in a capital-M Movie.
I did love the bit where they visit the musical planet and she changes her uniform into a ball gown because she's a princess there. I would have liked to see a lot more of that, showing how she'd been keeping the peace and building relationships on other worlds - but I guess that would have been more "Captain Marvel 2" than anything and that wasn't the movie that Marvel wanted to make.
Same, but that's probably because I can watch TF out of a terrible movie if it's not boring or doesn't try to hard to be entertaining to the point where it turns into 90 minutes of 'lol look at how Wacky we are. Isn't this just SO wacky ' 🤪🤪
I felt the same way. Fun cast, decent beats, loved the cats and the singing planet. I had a good time and the fact aht it was some kind of new metric for badness just annoyed me more than anything in or around the movie.
I feel the James Rolfe thing was also because he started hanging out with JonTron at the time for some god awful reason, it kinda gave the impression this was a far-right turn into "the character I played is now the actual personI am"
Personally, I doubt that. James has always been careful to not let his work get too political one way or the other. I highly doubt Jontron would be much of an influence there one way or the other.
// "The Internet is furious because one of TH-cam's biggest movie critics talked about the business of movies and hard work of filmmaking instead of following the crowd for another tedious target-of-the-week "beatdown" of a bad movie."
Pretty much my exact thought when I saw the Outrage Media engine spin up around Stuckmann's critique of the movie industry.
The myriad of videos that came out in response struck me as based initially in a cynical attempt to cash in a disingenuous and incomplete reading of Stuckmann's video essay, which basically just used discourse of Madame Web as a segue into talking about the movie industry.
He did use a thumbnail of Madame Web as well...... the total effect of this plus his early mention of the movie, that was probably just for the algorithm, who everyone must pay heed of if they intend to make a living on social media.
But anyone who actually watched the whole video essay KNOWS it's not him sidestepping the movie, so much as pointing towards the system that predictably created yet another dumpster fire of a movie.
"By choosing not to do easy bullshit anti-woke bait or even just 'haha, bad movie is bad' content bait and still succeed, he's putting a spotlight on how tacky, empty, Follow the Leader phony this 'last honest man truth spewing' schtick really is, and how lazy the discourse machine they serve is".
That sums it up.
Chris addresses the greater problem beyond the movie, this is good stuff.
Him being a filmmaker has changed his pov on movies
There's nothing like doing it yourself to make you understand the struggle of creatives. It's why I bristle whenever online idiots talk up how everyone is doing writing wrong. They're usually the folks who hire me as ghostwriter to turn their word vomit into an actual script.
But on the other hand, have you considered the point of view of his critics, "waah waah waah, he didn't say the girl movie is woke and bad, so I'm gonna flood my diapers over it"? It's a subtle and nuanced take.
Our Bob who art in TH-cam, give us today our daily dose of much-needed perspective. Forgive us our pointless nerd rage, as we forgive those who have raged against us. Lead us not into the alt right, but deliver us from bullshit. In Bob We Trust.
Here's my question: what the hell could Stuckmann say that everyone hasn't already said?
At best, it would've been a variation of "Madame Web is bad" because that's the general consensus.
My guess, and it's not something I could back with data or anything but coming from personal observation, is that it's not about insight or actual criticism; what set them off was refusing to participate in a "Daily Hate" required by this sort of audience. (An audience led and guided by folks who use "1984" as a playbook instead of a cautionary tale.)
@@AntonPNym B-b-bingo! How can you be considered one of the cult by such a refusal?
I heard of Ben Affleck telling this story...somewhere and it got reported: He once kinda trashed a movie (which movie is irrelevant). Not to harsh but not good. This was after he himself had taken up being a director. He then attended a dinner party at Paul T. Anderson's house. Anderson pulls him aside. He says "Ben, you can't be out here attacking your fellow directors. Sometimes all we got is each other. You gotta support them. You don't have to say nice things, but you can't be saying bad things."
Look, I have never heard of Stuckman until this video, but this strikes a similar tone. You want to stick by the people in your community, cool. No comment is fine. Bob wants to do that later, cool, that's his prerogative.
Very gratified that my two go-to critics agree on this. Since I’m just genuinely sad they messed up the first extended spider people thing. And it’s basically like Dakota said I’d it’s 4 beautiful spider women. I wanted to love this so much. I cannot hate it now.
BOB IS A FUCKING OASIS IN A DESERT OF BULLSHT! Thank you for being intelligent and measured. One of the few in a sea of angry man crap.
Keep doing this Bob. Big love to you.
As you mentioned - I've seen well meaning people bash Stuckmann which has made me even more confused about this whole thing, I feel lke I'm going crazy.
The thing is Madame Web should have been a license to print money. I mean Charlie's Angels meets Spider-Man should be a lay up.
Not when Sony does it.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I thought it was perfectly fine though it would've done better if Sony hadn't tried to cut out all of its ties to the Amazing Spiderman universe.
@@jadedheartsz You just supplied a "why" to my "what".
quiet troll@@johnathonhaney8291
I have both never heard of Chris Stuckman or any of this drama. I'm so glad I don't swim in that part of the internet.
Stuckman does good work
Looking forward to the new series, but for a split second that music got me SO excited for a Really That Good return.
I was a bit bummed about that too. I was hoping we'd get a RTG for Raiders of the Lost Ark last year. But this will be fun.
Yeah I miss those videos. It’s what got me to know Moviebob in the first place.
The new series is not dissimilar. Think of it as "Really That Decent".
So this is just something practicing “if you can’t say nothing nice, don’t say anything at all?”
Thanks for this video. I was starting to think I was going crazy trying to get why everyone was treating Stuckman the way they were.
I'm a greatly looking forward to his new series, but does anyone know what happened to Bob's Really That Good series? Has that more or less wrapped up?
RTG: Spider-Man may well be his magnum opus. I wish he’d do more of them.
I don't watch a lot of movie discourse, just Bob, Chris, and occasionally Jeremy Jahns and Dan Murrell, so I didn't realize Chris' video had ignited the shit storm that it has, and it feels good to see Bob on the right side of it.
I happened to find your channel because of the Nintendo Power farewell video right before you posted the Pixels review. I shared it with so many friends, and we all generally agreed with it. But I stuck around here because your reviews are so honest. You praise the good as much as you tear apart the bad, and it's a shame that all these other reviewers (who really are just copying you) didn't follow in your more balanced approach.
As for Chris, I've always respected him as a creator. He's honest, fair, and generally thinks through his opinions. The big irony in that is that if he loved a movie, I would likely hate it, and if he reviewed it badly, I generally liked it. Lol. The only reason I eventually unsubscribed to his channel was just a lack of interest in new movies. You're the only reviewer I still watch regularly.
I tell ya, a few years ago I stopped watching CinemaSins and people raging, and swapped to CinemaWins and people gushing about what they love...and it's just so much more enjoyable a time.
Respectfully we as an audience trust specific movie reviewers because we align mostly with their taste and they take the time to honestly report on films good and bad. It's up to the audience afterwards to decide if we want to dedicate an hour and a half to 2 hours of our life watching an mediocre/bad film. I respect not wanting to pile on to a dumpster fire of a film. But I've had movies I've decided I wasn't going to watch. And after your review I gave it a chance and enjoyed myself and that's why audiences want you to review bad movies honestly. If you find something redeeming or even find certain great moments in an otherwise awful film maybe we wanna see those too.
WELL SAID BOB. Perfectly sums the entire thing surrounding Rage Farmers and the Stuckmann thing.
Reminder that Roger Ebert was a failed filmmaker
I didn’t know that. Thanks for informing us
@@MegamiShin Made the spiritual sequel Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.
That's why I liked Ebert's comments on films having to do with sex.
Dude worked with Russ Meyer. He knew his stuff when it came to smut.@@christopherb501
Hey! Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is AWESOME!
He got more films made than you. You're a failed...??
There are a lot of popular critics who don't do negative reviews. Like, I don't think Patrick Willems has ever done one. Stuckman's sin was calling attention to it, which made people who revel in it feel judged. It's like the equivalent of being a vegan.
I really enjoyed The Marvels, flawed as it was, and when I first realized that Madame Web was a Spider-Women movie I was genuinely excited. I immediately knew what two comic stories it drew most of its inspiration from, and I figured, even if it wasn't good, it at least wouldn't be boring.
I ended up not seeing it, because I'm no longer convinced that Sony didn't manage to make such a wacky-seeming concept actually unenjoyable. So there goes my only chance to see Mattie Franklin in something new and worthwhile, I guess?
Well, I assume I'll watch it sooner or later, but I wish the Sony suits could just stop doing whatever it is they're doing with all these not-Spidey projects.
Awesome video. Honestly, if Chris's video did nothing else, it helped point out the people who should be ignored on this platform.
I don't feel like ever watching Madame Web. So I won't. That was the end of it for me. I saw some info about it, I went "not watching this crap", I moved on. I haven't thought about it much since.
I can't fathom being angry for more than a day or two about that movie (or really, any movie). A week or two if I am REALLY invested and then REALLY disappointed (are there people invested in frickin' Madam Web? C'mon.)
And yet. The Internet, to quote "Hellraiser", has such sights to show me.
To quote Hellraiser's creator, "Imagination has no limits." These aging dudebros therefore possess plenty of the latter.
im glad too have you here Bob
Like, he clearly didn't like the film but didn't want to rethread what everyone else was saying, and instead focus on the issues that are important to him! The internet is so trash, ugh!
Nicely said, Bob.
I made a video once where I basically admonished the people who were sending Rian Johnson death threats after The Last Jedi.
As a response, in my comments, I got death threats.
Not sure what else I was expecting.😒
Just a guess...more sanity than you received? I made that same mistake myself in comment sections like this a few too many times.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Yeah, half of me was like…”There’s no way people could actually stoop this low, is there?”
And turns out that yup, there was a way.
Thankfully they’re the exception rather than the rule!
People are actually mad someone didn't bother joining in the tearing apart of a dead horse and instead took the opportunity to talk about how absolutely fucked the Hollywood system of movie production has become? ....Why? Near everyone across the internet seemingly agrees that that's a fact at this point.
This little "controversy" only goes to show how broken YT movie commentary is. God forbid someone with a platform use that platform for something other than tediously screeching about how much "woke hollywood" is ruining the world, or trashing the latest pop culture target.
Listen between the shrieks and you can hear the actual song they're singing. A whole generation has grown up while they weren't looking, one that will outnumber us Gen Xers as much as the Boomers once did. So they become obnoxiously, stupidly repugnant to the point where no one will miss them when they go.
This whole internet echo chamber of middle-aged men who act like the whole world is concerned about the performance of movies/shows that are aimed at 12 year olds is hilarious.
And pathetic. It reminds me of what Warren Ellis said about comics being a young man's game and if you stayed too long, you'd see Krusty The Klown staring back at you in the mirror.
It’s their business model. Rage bait is what sells these days, not just with movie reviewers.
@@mabusestestament My question: sells to who and for how long? Gen Z strikes me as not giving that much of a shit on any of this and their numbers are going to dwarf older generations soon enough.
"This Movie Exists" ... I remember Movie Bob talking about that. I can't wait to see it.
I tend to approach stuff like this with something akin to the macguffin test.
Quick recap of the macguffin test: can you exchange "the thing everyone is looking for" into "a big bag of gold" and change nothing else and end with the same result? If yes, then you have a macguffin and it ultimately doesnt actually matter on any measurable metric.
Tangentially related: can you exchange ONE trait on a character that you like to an equivalent trait you don't like (or vise-versa exchange ONE trait you don't like for one you do like) and change NOTHING else, do you still have the same opinion? If not, then what you love or hate isnt that character, but that trait, and should probably reevaluate your priorities.
Using Madame Web as a jumping off point since we're already here: would these critics care half as much if this was Senor Web saving three young boys? All of the writing, effects, cinematography, etc being exactly identical other than the gender of the lead characters.
I will give the caveat that this isnt necessarily applicable in all circumstances, but is a broadly applicable tool that I like to employ as part of my own critical thinking exercises.
This can also apply to other aspects beyond just characters. Also, "failing" this test isnt necessarily always a bad thing. Sometimes being able to identify a trait you do generate undue bias for is just helping your own self-discovery (so long as you can maturely move forward taking ownership for that bias).
Hmm, I wasn't familiar with this at all. I like the concept.
At this point sony doesn't care about making good movies as long they still have the Spider-man movie rights. And it seems sony rather lose money than lose the rights to Spider-man. Sony probably rushed their movies since they are worried about the expiration date. They are desperate to keep Spider-man they are so desperate they will make any characters from the Spider-man comics to get their own movie like the upcoming flim El Muerto.
Basically, that's it, which is honestly, card-carryingly stupid. What good are those rights doing you if the films you pump out are costing you money?
WB got a billion dollar box office out of Joker and Aquaman yet none of that could cover for the other failures on that same ledger. You have to wonder how much longer Sony the parent company is going to put with Sony Pictures making these kinds of sucker bets.
Maybe my opinion is weird
but I don't consider you a movie reviewer,
I consider you a "Movie Educator".
I found your show years ago
and I continue to watch it because
you show me stuff that I didn't know.
Whether it's an old movie that I've never heard of, Schlocktober,
an opinion that I hadn't thought of
or just affirmation for the movies that I like, "Really That Good".
Thank You,
Good Luck
and
carry on.
As a point of reference,
I used to watch "Siskel and Ebert".
I agreed mostly with Ebert but respected both their opinions
and still missed them greatly.
Meanwhile, Star Wars fans: "It's like poetry. It rhymes."
Maybe I was just naive, but I was kind of shocked to see Prequel Hate 2.0 over the sequels, as though no one remembered what an embarrassing farce it was the first time around. Especially since there are plenty of Millennials who liked the prequels all along, and took shit for it from angry Xers, before the prequels finally (mostly) came to be accepted. Seeing them turn around and do the exact same thing to Z and Alpha fans of the sequels was just... disheartening.
I'm calling it now; 10 or 20 years, there'll be tons of fans and defenders of the sequels.
@@seamusburke639 Pretty easy guess...hell, I look for it to happen in 10.
😂 Disney needs to write a blank check out to Sony and tell them to get lost!
@indianaCurtis
For real! They need to get those film rights back ASAP! The idiots at Sony just keep prolonging the inevitable, rather than focusing on properties that they actually own!
Because that's what we need: A media monopoly!
Im pretty sure they tried at one point lmao
Ditto Xbox wanting to pay Nintendo to make Game Pass available on Switch
@@jordanloux3883i mean we gotta wait for the Supreme Court (they never will) to break Disney back up into independent companies for the parks, animation, star wars, marvel, pixar, etc etc
Because yeah, real problematic monopoly.
You do know Disney was behind the Spider-Man in the MCU deal breaking down right? This Sony hate is real tiresome, especially given they’re like the only major studio not reliant on expensive tentpoles.
12:08 "The downfall" really 🤨. Also, props for bringing up that thing about James Rolf I had forgotten about that as well as when Richard Roper got attacked for disliking that same film 🤔.
Another mention could go to when Patrick H Williams did a video on plot holes, and this whole boondoggle reminded me of that 🤔.
Thank you Bob. Someone finally treats Chris fair. I can't believe people are actually mad at him.
I've been in the TH-cam Prefers To Push Negative Content Because It Drives More Engagement camp for a while now. It's why I've stopped following some reviewers (and actively avoid others). It's a little harder to do on Facebook, so there I adopt the "oh really, why" approach with 'haters' and encourage them to clearly say just what it is about, say, the new Doctor Who they don't like. No implications or just calling it 'woke', I want them to actually spell it out.
Weirdly enough, most of them just don't have the guts to be fully honest about their opinions. Or they tell me to 'do my own research'.
I wonder if they can do a documentary on the making of Madame Webb and if that would interest me like a Fan4stick documentary would interest me.
I also miss being able to say a movie is ok
YAY!!!! Trust the Bob.
Every outrage reaction to Chris' fair criticism is a self report for media illiteracy.
“I demand you be outraged by this!”
"And we demand you begone..." --Thundarr
Thank you! As others have said, at first I was completely confused by the backlash Chris’ video got before realizing most of the channels lashing back were ones who frequently had Madame Web “reviews” with warped thumbnails of actresses faces and some variety of the words “Sony’s Woke Failure” printed alongside. Chris never argued that Madame Web was a good movie & I can almost guarantee that there aren’t any videos where someone reviews the movie & claims it’s good because it stars an all female cast of heroes. I consider myself a woke progressive & have no problem saying the movie was dreadful & not worth the time or effort anyone put into it. But the populous of anti-woke rage machines on YT, as you suggested, live according to the delusion that anyone not as furious as them about their self-invented nightmares of a harmful “woke agenda” destroying culture is an enemy & so a reviewer like Chris not only choosing not to take their stance but to openly not lay the blame for the film at the hands of the actresses involved or the writer but instead solely at the feet of the executive engine that deliberately chooses to churn out product first & art last made him their “enemy”. It’s the absolute most pathetic way to engage with media.
I have to admit I hadn't noticed that Stuckman had made that Madame Web video. It looks like I have a video to watch now, and supportive comments to place.
Wait - people are hating on Stuckman for this video!? I saw it, it was well reasoned and something more that the 2583rd video review jus bashing the movie. He doesn't even do regular reviews of new releases anymore! This is why I'm glad I've abandoned Xitter - I didn't even know there was a "backlash" until now. I also suspect it is mostly astroturf backlash from a lot of misogynistic content churners looking for easy clicks. Stay great Chris!
Truth is Mr. Chipman should probably abandon the dead bird himself, sooner being better. It's so toxic, it makes TH-cam look like a well-regulated platform of ironclad ethics.
I am shocked, SHOCKED to find that Stuckman didn't want to be redundant by reviewing the movie itself.
8:30 I never understood the “Japan is our last bastion” mindset. Did they seriously forget just how many girly looking effeminate men there were in 90s anime?
It's the last bastion because they don't understand Japanese culture. They're able to be outsiders and not have to really wrestle with what most of this art says about Japanese culture and their relationship with politics/gender/sexuality/etc. Also they're more free to cherry pick shit without getting called out.
The problem is with the people. Hate and anger get views. There's one channel that did "10 reasons NOT to move to this state" and eventually did all 50 states. Along the way he also did "10 reasons TO move to this state" and did most of the states, but he admitted the negative videos had more views and it wasn't worth his time to do the positive videos. It's too bad because my homestate was one of the few he hadn't yet done.
I'm not sure a positive TH-cam channel can make it anymore or if it ever really had a chance.
Ok doomer.
Yeah it’s unfortunate how our attention works like that. I think there are solutions that would make the internet better and be good for our mental health but they’d probably require much stricter restrictions than most would be comfortable with. The next best thing is to just encourage people to not engage with stuff like that as much as the things they really love. That’s part of why I love the “really that good” series Bob did.
So what? The obvious question then is "does it really matter how many people watch your video?" Like when offering any goods or services, what matters is how many people need it, not whether you can saturate a market with it regardless.
yeah I do find myself gravitating more towards negative stuff, but only genuinely negative stuff where it's made clear the people reviewing it aren't faking it for rage and reviews, like Nostalgia Critic's review of Patch Adams, he legitimately hated that piece of shit and as someone who was forced to watch that shitfest in high school that review really resonated with me. None of that fake outrage stuff from alt-reich trolls is remotely appealing to me.
First time watching and new subscriber: I was both shocked and pleasantly surprised by the level of maturity expressed in a TH-cam video. Well said and say it again louder for the people in the back.
Welcome aboard...you should look over the Really That Bad trilogy he referenced in this video. Anger aside, it was a balanced and fair-minded dissection of WB's worst mistake as a studio.
The most interesting discussion around Madame Web is exactly how many of these bad SPUMC films Sony can release before they realise that they need to be good movies to stand a chance of making money
If Kraven and Venom 3 do marginally better, then Sony will not learn their lesson and continue to make bad decisions/movies.
Yeah while rage can be entertaining every now and then if it justifies it. Chris take seemed more anti big corporation and pro artist but i can sort of see how people easily misunderstood his point. Still when i saw people call him a corporate shill got saying he didnt want to review it did kind of surprise me till i read more.
I've been saying for decades the exact same thing. "Eh, I guess that Movie/show/album/whatever was okay. I guess." is dead. It's either raping your childhood with it's dong of devilishness or the best thing to ever grace the silver screen. Evar.
Moderation is dead.
Got my hopes up and broke my heart with that music, Bob. Not that I mind, but I won't pretend I don't miss Really That Good.
I think your take on the Marvel's is right on. Probably because I watched WandaVision and Ms Marvel and the stories all culminated in the movie. Maybe because it was just a good movie. They cannot all have the im0act of Endgame. It took over ten years of good movies leading up to a movie for it to be great.
Location shooting for what???
Locations