The idea of dot size with the same needle configuration is so useful... Explains some of the struggles I've been having between my coil and direct drive rotary machine... Thank you so much
This make me think about stretching.. it may as well be the way you stretch the skin that gives you the smaller dot. I've noticed that when I don't stretch that much when using rotaries it gives me thicker lines. It may also be related to the direction of the stretch itself.
Hey guys - I love both of you! It’s me, Brett! You guys are both wizards and I’m humbled to meet and collect work from you both. Definitely learned a ton at the show. See you guys next year!
Very informative. Thanks for explaining the differences so well. Would love to see more content like this comparing and contrasting the differences in equipment and machine types of all kinds.
What about the throw distance of the machine and the effect of dot size? I like using machines with more throw length like 3.8-4.2mm. Does a shorter throw length affect the dot size?
I dont think it affects the dot size.. but just gives you more room to work with.. Ive only been using rotaries about a year or so and Im rather new on it. i use the Axys Fehu direct drive machines and I messaged the company about his setups and he explained it to me... I have the 3.5 machine and the 2.5 mm machine.. he said on the 3.5 its more for color work or packing solid fields.. the 2.5 is a more softer machine for black and grey and its faster which means the dots will be "closer" together at the same voltage than say the 3.5. I know on the 3.5 when i shading, or pack something in i adjust my tube tip to where I want the needle to come out. I rarely have it flush down at the tube tip and it seems to pack in quicker and shade faster than if I had the full 3.5 going. I dont do that as much on my 2.5 because the distance is so shallow as it is. I hope that made sense. But it is direct drive..no give so that might explain why color work takes a little longer than black and grey according to this video. But for straight up linework i typically like using my coils
David Nash I use the axys fehu as well with 4.0 mm of throw. It packs color pretty well and I can even line with it, but I’m thinking of getting a new machine. Inkjecta im thinking
Andrew Hanson Yes a 3.2 technically will leave a smaller dot than a 4.2 shorter throw will generally lead to a smoother less aggressive cycle or hit as well.
@@andrewhanson9251 oh cool! ive been using axys for about 6 months or so and I dig it.. I havent really sampled around with rotaries much but ive heard good things about inkjecta too :)
David Nash hey thats really interesting. Do you feel the shorter stroke gives you a smoother blend for black and grey ? I am thinking about buying a shorter stroke for my xion
I’ve been struggling with give and what I prefer since buying my swashdrive Vader it’s an amazing machine and feel like it’s improved my work. It’s got 20 give adjusting clicks. I’m way over thinking it all, somedays it works like a dream other days it feeling like things are taking way longer than they should compared to when I was using coils. I’ve gone from coils to direct drive pen to this machine and I’m questioning my whole career knowledge 😂
Quite interesting. I am looking to purchase a new machine. I currently have a Mast Tour Pro, and it's done quite well. But I've been looking at the Peak Nebula vs the Peak Azur Slider. Both are rotary. The slider comes with 3.5 stroke and 2 motors you can change out. While the Nebula is a direct drive with adjustable stroke from 0-4. Most of the work I am doing is black&gray. Not quite sure which I should go with. Does it really matter all that much? Once I'm comfortable with either I'm sure I'd be happy with whatever.
Great video series guys! 👌🏽👌🏽 One question: could you guys tell me which pen style rotary machine is the most powerful on the market right now? Need solid lines with needlesizes from 7rl to 11rs. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Awesome interview! For someone getting in doing SMP (head tattoo) do you feel machines w less ‘give’ ie direct dive are more suitable for shallow, small dot work? If so would greatly appreciate any equipment recommendation! Thanks!
Any thoughts on the CNC adjustable P6 vs the direct to drive Q2? The latter has a German motor akin to the Bishop and is positively reviewed bit don't know much about the former
I’m so confused after seeing this... I use maximin give to do light shadows. Direct to pac solid color or black.. but this man is telling us that give packs more color ???? Wtf
He is talking about the difference in machine power used in combination with give and coloring. If your rotary has more power and has "give" then it will pack a lot of color quickly. I think. If I'm interpreting your question correctly and assuming the correct info based on this informative video.
Is it true that you have to use a bigger liner for a rotary than you would a coil? I was told that I'd I use a 3rl on a coil then I should use a 5rs on a rotary for the same line weight is that true?
Worldwide tattoo came out with radical lux tattoo pen. Debating on the Motor: A - 12V Faulhaber 2607 & 10000 RPM (Operating Voltage: 6V to 12V) Wondering what your thoughts are on this specific pen. It's really new but would like your insight if i may.
Will you guys comment about Lacenano machine? I was so happy to see it in this video because I've been using it for 2 years now and would love to know "science" behind it. Nice video, love technique ep !
I have a fk irons spektra edge and i find it difficult to pack solid black unless i had the voltage higher, like in the 9,10 range. Is that to be expected?
sweaty sweaty cheeses Not really. Just a little give should pack well. but you may have the stroke fully open. I think it is 4 or 4.2 mm . So shorten it a bit and you will see better saturation at lower volts. The voltage equals speed and if you can’t saturate good without running it faster it may be because of the cycle time of the longer stroke. It’s a great machine but I think they should make changeable cams as the adjustable one makes it too hard for artists to find what they like.
Did he ever take apart a RotaryWorks machines? Recently bought one to replace my first unreliable no name coils and I'd love to know more about my machine, to know my tool, so I can use it better. Much appreciated ✌
Which one? They have direct drives, new crank cam machine, slimline which is kind of cam/slider machine with no give, springer has give, then they have pen machine.
Minifusel Not theirs but most Rotaries are easy to identify and break down and fall into simple categories so DM me pics of what you’ve got to @typ.art on Instagram and I can help. Although most look different on the outside the principles are basic and standard to one another.
I'm a little confused here inkjecta for example that things way better than let's say a xion but the jectas a DD with no give and the xion has adjustable give and personally it sucks balls for packing
@@typallotta756 hope too /cause i believe dragonafly rotaries worth mentioned ..i have one long time now tested in thousands of work hours literally .exeptional machinery ..now i did modified for catridges and its really nice , and trustworthy machine.personally iam a coil fan ...but each style needs its own equipment yes ? its a liittle tiring to see all this trend about equipment.........- 24 years ago we did everything with 2-3 machines and its was ok also .. ii believe industry evolves in the expense of the pioniring and no new tattoo artist takes the time ,through trial and error to find out technical info about needles , machinery , pigments etc ..i really enjoyed the video cause iam allways learning and there is allways room for evolution and new knowledge ..so i have two requests my friend ..1- make one video in depth analysis about diferrent type of mchines (direct , give , or no give machines and why ) 2 -dragonfly machines pro cons and why did these machines survived in market through the war of marketing .. great job thoygh ..about the explainetaion ..iam using a lot of your videos (hope this is ok )for my students .. thanks for the repply and for the oppertunity to ask for this favour . thank you
If anyone is still commenting on this I wanna get some opinions.... eccentric wheel or direct drive for lining???let's say 3.5mm to 4mm stroke.your answer and explanation if possible.hopefully I'll get some answers
Old video. Fun fact. Exo, flux, flux max, critical torque, wand liner, packer, Sol nova, unlimited, inkjecta nano, all have versions of same old 2610 Faulhaber motor
Great points and tips in this video. Now i under why my buddy at work is scared to do shading cause all he uses are direct drive tattoo machines like the Spektra. He uses Cheyenne HAWK PEN for color packing. He has been making good lines but afraid to shade. As an apprentice he yet has not used a coil machine.
Educational, but I feel this information needs to be less free to the public, and made available to professionals only.. which is very challenging on TH-cam. Too many specifics. You need to create a seminar system like Seth Ciferri's Machine Machine, and prevent "trade secrets" from becoming public knowledge. My two cents.
Paul Carlson Thanks for your feedback Paul. I am discussing rotary types and how I see them. These are my opinions on how they work. No trade secrets here, just common sense. Wait, who gave the public professional tattoo equipment in the first place?🤔The pot is now up to 4 cents.
The idea of dot size with the same needle configuration is so useful... Explains some of the struggles I've been having between my coil and direct drive rotary machine... Thank you so much
Thanks for watching
It’s a real pleasure to share my excitement about machines and how I see them. Thanks Hugo.
You just gave me a whole new perspective, thank you for sharing!!
This make me think about stretching.. it may as well be the way you stretch the skin that gives you the smaller dot. I've noticed that when I don't stretch that much when using rotaries it gives me thicker lines. It may also be related to the direction of the stretch itself.
Thanks for doing this sorta stuff guys!
This industry has always been so weirdly secretive. This sort of stuff is great for everyone!
i loved every minute of this video! very informative and im glad there is someone here on youtube like you making this content
Thanks for the support
Thank you!
I liked the part when you can hear the camera man breathing
OzzyMarz ha!
i know it is kinda off topic but do anyone know a good site to watch new tv shows online ?
best and most informative tattoo machine related video on youtube...i personally like direct drive
Oh yes!! This episode is really awesome. Been dying to know more about this topic exactly. You rule Jake
Thank you!
Sean Gardner Thank you Sean. Glad you liked it.
Hey guys - I love both of you! It’s me, Brett! You guys are both wizards and I’m humbled to meet and collect work from you both. Definitely learned a ton at the show. See you guys next year!
Arcana of the Fool Lol, Much appreciated Brett. You have a bright future friend and thanks so much for the compliments!
Very informative. Thanks for explaining the differences so well. Would love to see more content like this comparing and contrasting the differences in equipment and machine types of all kinds.
Would really love to see you guys do a review on the Axys Valhalla!
Please do i am excited to hear.
Would love to hear your opinion on Swashdrive machines, thanks Jake!
What about the throw distance of the machine and the effect of dot size?
I like using machines with more throw length like 3.8-4.2mm. Does a shorter throw length affect the dot size?
I dont think it affects the dot size.. but just gives you more room to work with.. Ive only been using rotaries about a year or so and Im rather new on it. i use the Axys Fehu direct drive machines and I messaged the company about his setups and he explained it to me... I have the 3.5 machine and the 2.5 mm machine.. he said on the 3.5 its more for color work or packing solid fields.. the 2.5 is a more softer machine for black and grey and its faster which means the dots will be "closer" together at the same voltage than say the 3.5. I know on the 3.5 when i shading, or pack something in i adjust my tube tip to where I want the needle to come out. I rarely have it flush down at the tube tip and it seems to pack in quicker and shade faster than if I had the full 3.5 going. I dont do that as much on my 2.5 because the distance is so shallow as it is. I hope that made sense. But it is direct drive..no give so that might explain why color work takes a little longer than black and grey according to this video. But for straight up linework i typically like using my coils
David Nash I use the axys fehu as well with 4.0 mm of throw. It packs color pretty well and I can even line with it, but I’m thinking of getting a new machine. Inkjecta im thinking
Andrew Hanson Yes a 3.2 technically will leave a smaller dot than a 4.2 shorter throw will generally lead to a smoother less aggressive cycle or hit as well.
@@andrewhanson9251 oh cool! ive been using axys for about 6 months or so and I dig it.. I havent really sampled around with rotaries much but ive heard good things about inkjecta too :)
David Nash hey thats really interesting. Do you feel the shorter stroke gives you a smoother blend for black and grey ? I am thinking about buying a shorter stroke for my xion
I’ve been struggling with give and what I prefer since buying my swashdrive Vader it’s an amazing machine and feel like it’s improved my work. It’s got 20 give adjusting clicks. I’m way over thinking it all, somedays it works like a dream other days it feeling like things are taking way longer than they should compared to when I was using coils. I’ve gone from coils to direct drive pen to this machine and I’m questioning my whole career knowledge 😂
Beautifully put man👌🏼
Quite interesting. I am looking to purchase a new machine. I currently have a Mast Tour Pro, and it's done quite well. But I've been looking at the Peak Nebula vs the Peak Azur Slider. Both are rotary. The slider comes with 3.5 stroke and 2 motors you can change out. While the Nebula is a direct drive with adjustable stroke from 0-4. Most of the work I am doing is black&gray. Not quite sure which I should go with. Does it really matter all that much? Once I'm comfortable with either I'm sure I'd be happy with whatever.
Very interesting insight. Even tho i knew some stuff about rotarys i never thought about the bigger dots from give machines. Totally makes sense.
Great video series guys! 👌🏽👌🏽
One question: could you guys tell me which pen style rotary machine is the most powerful on the market right now? Need solid lines with needlesizes from 7rl to 11rs. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
So am I correct in saying that putting the setting so it has a hard give makes it more like a direct drive machine?
Awesome interview! For someone getting in doing SMP (head tattoo) do you feel machines w less ‘give’ ie direct dive are more suitable for shallow, small dot work? If so would greatly appreciate any equipment recommendation! Thanks!
can you make a review about dragofly vs other rotaries ?please guys //great takl however .
Awesome! thank you so much for this clip! All my doubts about direct drive and the type of rotary that I need have been cleared!
ADR31416 Glad this helped. Thanks for watching.
Why you didn't mention HM or
Vald Bald machines?
Any thoughts on the CNC adjustable P6 vs the direct to drive Q2? The latter has a German motor akin to the Bishop and is positively reviewed bit don't know much about the former
What machine would you recommend for just solid line work
I’m so confused after seeing this... I use maximin give to do light shadows. Direct to pac solid color or black.. but this man is telling us that give packs more color ???? Wtf
Pe Painville u not the only one
He is talking about the difference in machine power used in combination with give and coloring. If your rotary has more power and has "give" then it will pack a lot of color quickly.
I think. If I'm interpreting your question correctly and assuming the correct info based on this informative video.
Could you put a small magnum needle on a bishop V6 3.5mm?
I'm considering buying an inkjecta for packing color. Am I crazy? Or am I looking at the wrong machine
GOLD!!! well explained!
Great interview. Would love to see a part 2 discussion about his opinions on several different machines
Thanks. Keep watching. The next episode drops next Monday
James Miner Thanks James! Looking forward to it.
I'm looking for a machine for linework (I like to use 11RL or 9RS for lines) and dotwork. Any recommendations? :)
Hello fireside. Does the Cheyenne Pen have give? Love what youdo
Abigail.Siwan.Cansdale Van der leek No it does not.
Is it true that you have to use a bigger liner for a rotary than you would a coil? I was told that I'd I use a 3rl on a coil then I should use a 5rs on a rotary for the same line weight is that true?
Really interesting. If I understand, for exemple to have good crispy lines it’s better or easier to use a give machine than a directdrive machine!
Worldwide tattoo came out with radical lux tattoo pen.
Debating on the Motor: A - 12V Faulhaber 2607 & 10000 RPM (Operating Voltage: 6V to 12V)
Wondering what your thoughts are on this specific pen. It's really new but would like your insight if i may.
@Ty Pallotta been a fan for a minute man just curious about this pen since its too new in my opinion. Love the videos by the way.
Will you guys comment about Lacenano machine? I was so happy to see it in this video because I've been using it for 2 years now and would love to know "science" behind it. Nice video, love technique ep !
I have a fk irons spektra edge and i find it difficult to pack solid black unless i had the voltage higher, like in the 9,10 range. Is that to be expected?
that's also due to hand speed.
I have no issues. Set it at half the give and it packs smooth.
sweaty sweaty cheeses Not really. Just a little give should pack well. but you may have the stroke fully open. I think it is 4 or 4.2 mm . So shorten it a bit and you will see better saturation at lower volts. The voltage equals speed and if you can’t saturate good without running it faster it may be because of the cycle time of the longer stroke. It’s a great machine but I think they should make changeable cams as the adjustable one makes it too hard for artists to find what they like.
@@typallotta756 Thanks I will try it out!
Very interesting. Looking forward to more info on this stuff!
Is this vid'd part 2 out ?
this video was very useful and educative for me, massive thanks!
How’s the Give compare on the Cheyenne pen machines?
(relative to the no give bishop and the fk irons with give)
Did he ever take apart a RotaryWorks machines? Recently bought one to replace my first unreliable no name coils and I'd love to know more about my machine, to know my tool, so I can use it better. Much appreciated ✌
Which one? They have direct drives, new crank cam machine, slimline which is kind of cam/slider machine with no give, springer has give, then they have pen machine.
Not sure but I'll ask him to jump on this thread and answer if so
Minifusel Not theirs but most Rotaries are easy to identify and break down and fall into simple categories so DM me pics of what you’ve got to @typ.art on Instagram and I can help. Although most look different on the outside the principles are basic and standard to one another.
@@typallotta756 Will do, just saw your replay. Really appreciate it, man :)
@@rickrandom6734 I got the Mk2 Slimline (Black Ali with 4.2mm stroke) :)
great video & good info! thanks guys, keep it up
I'm a little confused here inkjecta for example that things way better than let's say a xion but the jectas a DD with no give and the xion has adjustable give and personally it sucks balls for packing
Yes it is very interesting to hear your thoughts, views and comments.
Incredible interview
Thank you
David Fields Thanks David.
WHAT ABOUT DRAGONFLY ROTARIES?
i ll be glad to hear your opinion
CM_TATTOOS Hope to add them as well.
@@typallotta756 hope too /cause i believe dragonafly rotaries worth mentioned ..i have one long time now tested in thousands of work hours literally .exeptional machinery ..now i did modified for catridges and its really nice , and trustworthy machine.personally iam a coil fan ...but each style needs its own equipment yes ?
its a liittle tiring to see all this trend about equipment.........- 24 years ago we did everything with 2-3 machines and its was ok also ..
ii believe industry evolves in the expense of the pioniring and no new tattoo artist takes the time ,through trial and error to find out technical info about needles , machinery , pigments etc ..i really enjoyed the video cause iam allways learning and there is allways room for evolution and new knowledge ..so i have two requests my friend ..1- make one video in depth analysis about diferrent type of mchines (direct , give , or no give machines and why )
2 -dragonfly machines pro cons and why did these machines survived in market through the war of marketing ..
great job thoygh ..about the explainetaion ..iam using a lot of your videos (hope this is ok )for my students ..
thanks for the repply and for the oppertunity to ask for this favour .
thank you
@@typallotta756 thanks i ll wait .have a great day
This was awesome man👌🏽
Thanks!
Tony Maldonado thanks Tony.
Great info. Thanks
If anyone is still commenting on this I wanna get some opinions.... eccentric wheel or direct drive for lining???let's say 3.5mm to 4mm stroke.your answer and explanation if possible.hopefully I'll get some answers
Old video. Fun fact. Exo, flux, flux max, critical torque, wand liner, packer, Sol nova, unlimited, inkjecta nano, all have versions of same old 2610 Faulhaber motor
Great content brother keep up he good wrk
Great video thanks
Great points and tips in this video. Now i under why my buddy at work is scared to do shading cause all he uses are direct drive tattoo machines like the Spektra. He uses Cheyenne HAWK PEN for color packing. He has been making good lines but afraid to shade. As an apprentice he yet has not used a coil machine.
thanks !!
the bishop machines have built in give in their motors.
🤯
Michael McGough Lol Million.
Never rest the tube tip on the skin that's called riding the tube and is a big no no
duncan kent That’s a matter of both opinion and equally divided at that. All depends on who mentored you and how they were taught.
Educational, but I feel this information needs to be less free to the public, and made available to professionals only.. which is very challenging on TH-cam. Too many specifics. You need to create a seminar system like Seth Ciferri's Machine Machine, and prevent "trade secrets" from becoming public knowledge. My two cents.
Paul Carlson Thanks for your feedback Paul. I am discussing rotary types and how I see them. These are my opinions on how they work. No trade secrets here, just common sense. Wait, who gave the public professional tattoo equipment in the first place?🤔The pot is now up to 4 cents.
I wonder if mechanics feel the same way about all of your car fix videos Paul.
Crickets