I've done extensive testing at 100 meters with my tikka t1x, tested over 35 different 22lr ammos and especially for 22lr the fouling is important. Some say shoot 3 fouling shots before groups, some say 1 round per inch of barrel. In my tests I only run a dry bore snake through the barrel when I switch ammo types, shoot 20 shots into the bank and shoot five 10 shot gropus. At least for my tikka, eley shoots by far the best for 100+, usually around 1 moa.
notice how the eley groups tightened up after the first group. like you said seasoning the bore when changing ammo is important although the jury is out on how many to season with.also many guns especially autos have first shot flyer syndrome.i had a Remington 597 that did this so I always fired a shot before group shooting or hunting
tiputipu777 There’s another factor. Eley and most match ammunition use a wax based lube. Most sporting ammunition use a grease lube that isn’t a good, but doesn’t dry out over time.
You're nuts man. Shoot 20 rounds of tenex into the dirt and you just literally wasted $10 and thats no joke. Why wouldn't you still just put them on paper?!?!?!?!
Pertaining to how some mention ruger isn't an accurate platform.. you can get cheap ruger american rimfires and even cheap savages for usually less than 500, model depending.. I have a ruger american rimfire in 22lr and 22wmr, ive shot alot out of my 22wmr with CCI ammo.. it literally tears the same hole at 25yds, and does the same at 50. My 22lr needs a scope, as my blind eyes dont shoot irons well. But I love the video!
You should always shoot a couple bullets prior to your test that's why you had flyers from the first 2 eley bullets. Pro shooters always shoot a couple off before starting
I love watching ammo testing especially on 22lr ammo. I hunt small game and my base ammo I hunt with is CCI stand velocity. It's cheap and accurate enough. Of course I am always looking for a more efficient type that won't break the bank but to answer your question if the shooter speeds up the shooting and show the results I don't mind. Good job by the way
Difference between ammo is consistency.. being precise is to be able to shoot a tight group almost regardless of accuracy.. whilst being precise and accurate youre almost sinking each shot into the same hole... match ammo is much more consistent in manufacturing and shooting, good rounds domt need to be zipping 1200-1300fps. You'll see alot of match rounds are shooting about 900-1100fps and they're heavier, usually 40gr minimum! The aguila makes 60gr match rounds that are deadly
Thanks for the video ,like you said depends on what your using it for ....i also look at the general cleanliness of the bullets,federal black seem to be nice & clean compared to some other bulk packs ,which is important for semi autos ,my ruger 10 22,my cz shadow 2 & my colt woodsman all love the black pack & start misfiring on the buckets specials of others
Weirdly, TH-cam removed my previous comment. I'm going to repost and just say that I completed a test with Edge and then found this video of yours. I came with similar results but using Aguila SupEx HV. Lets keep testing when we can get more ammo. :-)
Thanks for watching! I'm not sure what triggered our automated overloads there. I did enjoy your video though, good stuff! I'm glad to see our results were similar.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Oh, I haven' tought you will see this, and even answer. Nice to see you care about comments. Anyways, your video is pretty well built and the cuts are clean. Keep it up.
a match chamber is the same dimensions / less tolerance, it isn't a different specification, but obviously because of that of course a match chamber will give better results but that's with any *good, consistent* ammo, but one type of ammo can't be made for a match chamber but not a SAAMI chamber
Those first two Eley rounds should be discounted as fouling shots. Every rifle, rim or center fire, will sling the first two or three rounds when fired from a super clean bore.
...those aren't good groups @50 yards. My Ruger 10/22 Target Tactical will put 10 in a single 0.5" hole with the right ammo - cheap Eley but not Edge..plus the right torque on the stock bolt..
@@TheOldFatDadGoober ...find Hank Ellis's long term chrono data on Rimfire Central. I've posted a picture. 1 in maybe 10 ammo types will shoot 5 subMoA but it's more like 1 in 30 will do 5+ @50 yards
Interesting, unfortunately, wind and the human element are wild cards making the results a bit short of conclusive. If we ran a double-blind test could we pick out one brand or the other? Maybe and maybe not? Regards
Thanks for watching! The neat thing about this test is that the wind and the human element are the same for each type of ammo. I'm the only shooter in both tests, so that takes the human element out. The test was done back to back in the same time period, location, and environment, so that takes those factors out. The only benefit to a double blind test would be if you think that knowing what kind of ammo is in the gun would effect my shooting ability. Which is not out if the realm of possibility. I'm probably not going to go to such lengths at this time.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Try my double-blind test. (shoot several groups not knowing what ammo you are firing.) If you are correct you should be able to identify every group. I'm an old "gallery" shooter, bet you can't do it? Regards
@@1Skeptik1 I think that would actually be a good idea for a video. Maybe throw a bunch of different types of ammo out there and shoot them without knowing and see what kind of results I get.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Cool - It would be interesting. Note: I see guys trying to evaluate .22 ammo. in variable cross wind at 100 yd., IMHO: nearly impossible as a 10 mph breeze with std. velocity = nearly a 5" drift and wind changes shot to shot. Worse case scenarion a 10 mph crossswind that changes form left to right. Not likely in a few minutes but possible. I'm not suggesting all ammo is equal rather pointing out it is very difficult to evaluate. Good luck!
I know this is 3 years old..however eley edge is NOT the most expensive round not even close. Not even close even with eley. Match is better quality..and tenex at the top.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I was lucky enough to come across some eley edge and I bought 3 bricks. When this shipment is gone eley edge is gone with them. I haven't even shot it yet so idk if rhe barrel even likes it but worse case I have ammo that will eventually be impossible to get.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Nope, just the opposite: "Precision" means all the shots in a precise group - could all be 5 inches up and to the 5 inches left of the bulls eye, in a very tight 1 inch group. "Accurate" means they are all grouped around the exact place you want it to be (the bulls eye); but they could be in the right place, but not in a good tight group (say within 3 inches of the bulls eye), so that would not be "precise". What everyone is the shots to be in the bulls eye (accurate) and in a tight group (precise). It's also possible to be NOT accurate and NOT precise.... (me most of the time)
@@James28R Hey, li'l Jimmy. Your comment is precise....just not very accurate. You're probably the kinda guy that always gets to the same hunting place; but it's just the wrong one. That's called missing.... in hunting, as well as life.
Liked it, i tend to use .22 long in pistols (Walther & Ruger) so if you do a similar comparison down the track i would be curious to see the results. Love your work, keep it up brother.
The federal 36gr looks exactly like CCI mini mags hp 36gr!! If they are I will be getting some of them... Im assuming you bought the federal black pack..?
Thanks for watching! They do look very similar, same company too.... interesting. This is the Federal black pack and I would highly recommend it. I might go buy a few more if they are still in stock.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Thanks brother I always watch your videos because I love shooting 22lr.. I have to many 22 firearms.. LOL! I swear I think you may have gotten mini mags instead of the federal champion 36gr with the very shallow hp... very interesting indeed...hmm🤔! Thank You very much for the video and God Bless!👍👍✌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Well here in California we have to pay $60 in store and do the mail in rebate for $20. So in the end we pay $40 for 1,600 rounds, still a sweet deal.
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I just cried a little remembering 2018 ammo prices.
Thanks for watching! Me too 😢
I've done extensive testing at 100 meters with my tikka t1x, tested over 35 different 22lr ammos and especially for 22lr the fouling is important. Some say shoot 3 fouling shots before groups, some say 1 round per inch of barrel. In my tests I only run a dry bore snake through the barrel when I switch ammo types, shoot 20 shots into the bank and shoot five 10 shot gropus. At least for my tikka, eley shoots by far the best for 100+, usually around 1 moa.
Thanks for watching! I've heard about the importance of fouling, but never tested it myself. Might be a good subject for a future video.
notice how the eley groups tightened up after the first group. like you said seasoning the bore when changing ammo is important although the jury is out on how many to season with.also many guns especially autos have first shot flyer syndrome.i had a Remington 597 that did this so I always fired a shot before group shooting or hunting
tiputipu777 There’s another factor. Eley and most match ammunition use a wax based lube. Most sporting ammunition use a grease lube that isn’t a good, but doesn’t dry out over time.
You're nuts man. Shoot 20 rounds of tenex into the dirt and you just literally wasted $10 and thats no joke. Why wouldn't you still just put them on paper?!?!?!?!
Pertaining to how some mention ruger isn't an accurate platform.. you can get cheap ruger american rimfires and even cheap savages for usually less than 500, model depending.. I have a ruger american rimfire in 22lr and 22wmr, ive shot alot out of my 22wmr with CCI ammo.. it literally tears the same hole at 25yds, and does the same at 50. My 22lr needs a scope, as my blind eyes dont shoot irons well. But I love the video!
Thanks for watching!
You should always shoot a couple bullets prior to your test that's why you had flyers from the first 2 eley bullets. Pro shooters always shoot a couple off before starting
Thanks for watching! I've heard this before. I'm not sure how entertaining it is to watch someone shoot groups, but if like to test this one day.
I love watching ammo testing especially on 22lr ammo. I hunt small game and my base ammo I hunt with is CCI stand velocity. It's cheap and accurate enough. Of course I am always looking for a more efficient type that won't break the bank but to answer your question if the shooter speeds up the shooting and show the results I don't mind. Good job by the way
Consistency is the difference.
Thanks for watching!
Difference between ammo is consistency.. being precise is to be able to shoot a tight group almost regardless of accuracy.. whilst being precise and accurate youre almost sinking each shot into the same hole... match ammo is much more consistent in manufacturing and shooting, good rounds domt need to be zipping 1200-1300fps. You'll see alot of match rounds are shooting about 900-1100fps and they're heavier, usually 40gr minimum! The aguila makes 60gr match rounds that are deadly
Thanks for the video ,like you said depends on what your using it for ....i also look at the general cleanliness of the bullets,federal black seem to be nice & clean compared to some other bulk packs ,which is important for semi autos ,my ruger 10 22,my cz shadow 2 & my colt woodsman all love the black pack & start misfiring on the buckets specials of others
Thanks for watching!
Weirdly, TH-cam removed my previous comment. I'm going to repost and just say that I completed a test with Edge and then found this video of yours. I came with similar results but using Aguila SupEx HV. Lets keep testing when we can get more ammo. :-)
Thanks for watching! I'm not sure what triggered our automated overloads there. I did enjoy your video though, good stuff! I'm glad to see our results were similar.
Where I live the cheapest 22lr ammo is about 60 HUF which is around 0.2$. And they are not even good :'(
Thanks for watching! It's a sad state of affairs everywhere!
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Oh, I haven' tought you will see this, and even answer. Nice to see you care about comments. Anyways, your video is pretty well built and the cuts are clean. Keep it up.
@@valentine9430 One of the benefits of having a small channel is that I can talk with everyone!
Get the best barrel you can afford for your 10-22 and it won't matter much on the ammo. If you can't hit game with the first shot you got problems!
Thanks for watching! I've definitely got problems sometimes then! Those darn squirrels are tiny fast moving targets!
Thanks for the comparison.
Thanks for watching!
Eley is designed for guns with a match chamber. Using it in a gun with a standard SAAMI sporting chamber won’t show what it can actually do.
Thanks for watching!
a match chamber is the same dimensions / less tolerance, it isn't a different specification, but obviously because of that of course a match chamber will give better results but that's with any *good, consistent* ammo, but one type of ammo can't be made for a match chamber but not a SAAMI chamber
Thanks for your review.
Thanks for watching!
Those first two Eley rounds should be discounted as fouling shots. Every rifle, rim or center fire, will sling the first two or three rounds when fired from a super clean bore.
Thanks for watching! Eley seems to shoot really well except for the first shot or two. You're probably right that it needs some fouling.
...those aren't good groups @50 yards. My Ruger 10/22 Target Tactical will put 10 in a single 0.5" hole with the right ammo - cheap Eley but not Edge..plus the right torque on the stock bolt..
Thanks for watching! That's some good shooting.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober ...find Hank Ellis's long term chrono data on Rimfire Central. I've posted a picture. 1 in maybe 10 ammo types will shoot 5 subMoA but it's more like 1 in 30 will do 5+ @50 yards
Enjoy your video's, good info
Thanks for watching!
Interesting, unfortunately, wind and the human element are wild cards making the results a bit short of conclusive. If we ran a double-blind test could we pick out one brand or the other? Maybe and maybe not? Regards
Thanks for watching! The neat thing about this test is that the wind and the human element are the same for each type of ammo.
I'm the only shooter in both tests, so that takes the human element out.
The test was done back to back in the same time period, location, and environment, so that takes those factors out.
The only benefit to a double blind test would be if you think that knowing what kind of ammo is in the gun would effect my shooting ability. Which is not out if the realm of possibility. I'm probably not going to go to such lengths at this time.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Try my double-blind test. (shoot several groups not knowing what ammo you are firing.) If you are correct you should be able to identify every group. I'm an old "gallery" shooter, bet you can't do it? Regards
@@1Skeptik1 I think that would actually be a good idea for a video. Maybe throw a bunch of different types of ammo out there and shoot them without knowing and see what kind of results I get.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Cool - It would be interesting. Note: I see guys trying to evaluate .22 ammo. in variable cross wind at 100 yd., IMHO: nearly impossible as a 10 mph breeze with std. velocity = nearly a 5" drift and wind changes shot to shot. Worse case scenarion a 10 mph crossswind that changes form left to right. Not likely in a few minutes but possible. I'm not suggesting all ammo is equal rather pointing out it is very difficult to evaluate. Good luck!
Wrong platform Ruger's are not precision arms
Thanks for watching! Ruger is as much precision as this old fat dad can get!
@@TheOldFatDadGoober nothing wrong with that so long as you're having fun
I know this is 3 years old..however eley edge is NOT the most expensive round not even close. Not even close even with eley. Match is better quality..and tenex at the top.
Thanks for watching! Has it been 3 years already? New video on Monday will feature the mentioned high dollar ammo.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I was lucky enough to come across some eley edge and I bought 3 bricks. When this shipment is gone eley edge is gone with them. I haven't even shot it yet so idk if rhe barrel even likes it but worse case I have ammo that will eventually be impossible to get.
@@ngirardo86 Nice score, 3 bricks should last a while.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I'm probably going to order a few more bricks just because.
So your barrel doesn't like copper bullets?
Thanks for watching! That is definitely a possibility. Minimags seem to work pretty well though.
Nice comparison. However, you should learn the difference in “accuracy” and “precision”.
Thanks for watching! I know accuracy is the same as consistency...precision means hitting what you're aiming for?
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Nope, just the opposite: "Precision" means all the shots in a precise group - could all be 5 inches up and to the 5 inches left of the bulls eye, in a very tight 1 inch group. "Accurate" means they are all grouped around the exact place you want it to be (the bulls eye); but they could be in the right place, but not in a good tight group (say within 3 inches of the bulls eye), so that would not be "precise". What everyone is the shots to be in the bulls eye (accurate) and in a tight group (precise). It's also possible to be NOT accurate and NOT precise.... (me most of the time)
@@bobcary7562 jesus who gives a fuck. get a life
@@James28R Hey, li'l Jimmy. Your comment is precise....just not very accurate. You're probably the kinda guy that always gets to the same hunting place; but it's just the wrong one. That's called missing.... in hunting, as well as life.
Liked it, i tend to use .22 long in pistols (Walther & Ruger) so if you do a similar comparison down the track i would be curious to see the results.
Love your work, keep it up brother.
Thanks for watching! Just to be clear, you are interested in an ammo accuracy test with pistols?
That would be great if possible, @@TheOldFatDadGoober
@@kurisushimei Wife and kids got me hustling for the Holidays, but I'll definitely try to make something happen in the next few weeks.
The federal 36gr looks exactly like CCI mini mags hp 36gr!! If they are I will be getting some of them... Im assuming you bought the federal black pack..?
Thanks for watching! They do look very similar, same company too.... interesting. This is the Federal black pack and I would highly recommend it. I might go buy a few more if they are still in stock.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Thanks brother I always watch your videos because I love shooting 22lr.. I have to many 22 firearms.. LOL! I swear I think you may have gotten mini mags instead of the federal champion 36gr with the very shallow hp... very interesting indeed...hmm🤔! Thank You very much for the video and God Bless!👍👍✌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Don’t shoot glass . Please .
Thanks for watching! I won't shoot any more glass just for you.
Good video. I got those federals for 2.5 cents a round here in communist california. Such a great deal.
Thanks for watching! I'm pretty happy with my purchase too, think I might grab another this weekend.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Well here in California we have to pay $60 in store and do the mail in rebate for $20. So in the end we pay $40 for 1,600 rounds, still a sweet deal.
nice...probably better results with longer barrel
Thanks for watching!