I honestly think that the best way to resolve this issue regarding the new uppercut and diferent results in diferent types of gel is to do the Paul Harrell meat target test. It will tell us how effective this ammo is in real world. 👍👍
@@BUZZKILLJRJR - BINGO!!! This was my thought exacly. Back in the mid~t0~late 70's tehe ("original") Stingers were jacked. I remember articles in teh magazines of the day (G & A, Amer. Rifleman) not looking favorably upon the jacket in a .22 round. Ahhhh.... the good old days!
my often-carried handgun is a ruger sr22. i have put 20,000 rounds through my two. my go-to ammo is cci minimag. at 30’ i bounce soda cans all day. ten reliable rounds into a fast 3” group should get me out of any trouble that im likely to face. no need for gimmicky ammo.
@@mitchprever4632 i purchased mine in 2012 and 2014 respectively. 12 years of ownership is about 1400/rounds per year. i often shoot 300-400 rounds/session.
This was not designed for the Revolver too much loss in Velocity between the cylinder forcing cone and short barrel you should try the LCP 2.5 " and a 10 /22 in a rifle the effect is very surprising. 😊Good review.I have every other round punch, uppercut,punch ,upper cut.
A couple of problems. First is the lack of reliability of. 22lr out of auto pistols,especially pocket pistols. Second is Dutch Loading through a pistol and again,especially a pocket pistol. If you must use .22lr,a revolver is the way to go. If recoil is a factor,a 9mm +p carbine is vastly superior to a rimfire rifle.
For up close and personal I think the agula sniper sub sonic may be the way to go. The weight is going to allow the powder to do its job in a short barrel better.
Seems strange that CCI who makes some of the best quality 22 rimfires actually missed the boat with their uppercut. Give the uppercut a hipervelocity loading and it will be a success.
Exactly... can't believe they designed a round that looks almost identical to the stinger, and with actual real brass coating .. and, made it 950 feet per second. They already have that in the subsonic line.
The 32gr weight of the bullet at 950fps might not be enough Oooph to operate suppressed .22LR pistols and rifles… 40gr at 1000 fps out of a 4” would be better. There is a Need for jacketed .22 for AR15 conversion kits, or anything with a gas port. Also 1/7 twist of modern AR barrels dont like soft unjacketed lead bullets. The old 1/12 had no problem with it. Jacketed would be great for suppressors… atomized lead buildup is heck to clean… and toxic.
If you look at the box it states these cartridges are designed for use in SEMI-AUTO PISTOLS ! I know many people think a pistol is any handgun. This is wrong,a pistol is a handgun where by the cartridge is inserted directly into the barrel! The chamber of a pistol is part of the barrel. A single shot with a short barrel is a pistol,a semiautomatic handgun is a pistol & a derringer is a pistol BUT a revolver is NOT a pistol. Now both a pistol & a revolver are both handguns. The reason these cartridges are for use in pistols & NOT in any handgun is because fired in a revolver to much pressure is lost between the cylinder/chamber & barrel even if your revolver has a 8” barrel the pressure is lost before it gets to the barrel in a revolver! This is why there was so much unburned powder around the entrance hole in the clay when the revolver was fired point blank into it but not so much with a pistol where the powder will get a more complete burn,higher pressure & velocity = better bullet preformance! Assuming the pistol used falls in the 2.5”-4” barrel length as stated on the box. Not a true test of the cartridge!
TOFD G. Always a good, informative and interesting ammo comparison. Seems like it should be a good round but maybe nothing super special. Thanks for your work and for sharing. Take care.
Thanks for the video! In that study "An alternative look at handgun stopping power" the 22LR has proven to be used more in defense situations than the 380 ACP and 357. I think it's that gun that people keep the sock drawer for any contingency. Nice video as always!! 👍
Used more often doesn't mean used successfully. Yes a .22lr can kill, for sure, but a lot of luck and a massive amount of skill and being extremely calm under pressure is involved in that.
@@northpointaxe6167 I get what you're saying, yeah. In terms of immediately stopping a threat, .22LR is less effective than other calibers like 9mm, .40, or .357. Typically, you'd want to use more powerful calibers than .22LR for a self-defense situation. But for some folks, whether due to advanced age, arthritis, or circumstances (having the gun with you), .22LR is what they can handle. Yeah, .22LR can be lethal. The study I mentioned shows that .22LR kills as much as .357 and more than 9mm or .38 SPL (in terms of cases in that specific study). This is probably due to a few factors, like ease and speed of aiming in multiple shots (due to the lower recoil of .22LR), greater familiarity of the defender with .22LR from more use, whether it's plinking or because of the lower cost of ammo. And the reverse is also true. For example, 9mm, .38, and .40 have lower fatality rates than .22LR (in that study). We can speculate that this is because defenders have less training with those caliber (higher cost, fewer visits to the shooting range...). I think .380 is the ideal caliber for those people, but if an elderly person has a good .22LR gun at home, current ammo will get the job done." Anyway, I really like the 380, for example you can buy a Ruger LCP 'MAX' with 10 rounds for about $390 at Cabela's or a Walther PD380 for $415 at Bud's Gun Shop. 👍
For .22 lr close distance shooting, power is admittedly at the forefront of interest. Go out 30 - 40 yards and accuracy is the main interest. No amount of power makes up for missing by inches/centimeters.
HP stands for ‘Hollow Point’ and JHP stands for ‘Jacketed Hollow Point” when it comes to describing the configuration of a bullet and/or what type of bullet is loaded in the ammunition a consumer might be considering for a purchase. HP tells you that there is a cavity in the tip of the bullet, possibly lead and unjacketed, which facilitates expansion of the diameter of the projectile upon impact. JHP further defines and clarifies that the hollow point bullet is ‘copper-jacketed’ allowing for a higher velocity because of the copper jacket which eliminates ‘leading’ the bore with lead particles. Both the HP and JHP bullets are designed to expand upon impact precluding overpenetration, injuring innocent bystanders and transferring all or the kinetic energy of the bullet into the surrounding tissue for a higher probability of a one-shot stop. Lead HP bullets work just as well as JHP projectiles as long as the lead has a high enough content of antimony and tin. If the lead is too ‘soft’, the metal will shed material along the lands and grooves of the barrel adversely affecting accuracy.
There has been FMJ .22LR before… 80 yrs ago, used by uncle Sam in WW2 and later for Machine gun training, and other uses, and there was a tracer version as well, I got to shoot the tracer version as a little kid in the 1960’s. More recently, a couple of SHOT shows ago, Cutting Edge Bullets introduced a Jacketed .22LR… but I haven’t seen a peep from them since.
The whole concept baffles me. I presume it is about the same price as 22WMR? Also. The 22lr as a self defence round (and yes. It can do duty as that, or as a backup gun) is NOT plagued by over penetration. So a JHP bullet is a waste of money. In winter, with a lot of clothing to go through, it may even be a significantly worse choice than a regular 36/40 grain lead bullet.
Correct. In WWII coper jacketed 22 rimfire was produced for use in the High Standard HDMS silenced pistols and some silenced 22 rifles. The reason was to comply with The Hague Convention against soft point and expanding ammunition.
The 22LR FMJ M24 dates to 1944 when the Army lawyers suggested that there might be a possible violation of the Conventions if the standard 22 LR commercial cartridges were used. It was called the T 42 until 1945 when the designation M24 was adopted
they used to make full metal jacketed bullets for the high standard pistols in .22lr in world war 2 for oss agents and pilots as a small game hunting cartridge since using expanding ammo against enemy personal is prohibited under the geneva convention
The cylinder gap on the revolver will always lower the velocity of a round. Put the same round, one in a revolver and one in a semi-auto (or bolt gun) with the same barrel length and chrono them and you will see just how much slower and less power the round has from the revolver because of the loss through the cylinder gap.
Not the first. I’m a cartridge collector. I have a .22 long rifle FMJ from the 60’s. It was manufactured for survival rifles for aircrew in Vietnam. In order to not violate international law, it had to be FMJ. They were available in limited quantities to the public. That is how I bought mine.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober btw, as you probably know, there were many survival guns for air crews in Vietnam. Some single shot. Some bolt action. Some semi-auto such as the AR-7. Some were almost forgotten, such as the Bushmaster ARM pistol that shot 5.56x45 NATO and was sold commercially after the war, like the AR-7. But nobody picked up commercial manufacture of FMJ .22 ammo until now, as far as I know. Good video!
It is important to shoot into something other than clay. Ideally one needs a hydrodynamic media simulating human tissue. Also if one wants to increase performance one might want to look at some other high stress high strain compounds that offer lubricity under the given velocity and terminal hydrodynamic ballistics make a significant difference in performance. Then there is the bullet material performance under those hydrodynamic conditions. For a defensive round one would like the projectiles to contribute all the energy into the target. Even when one looks at body armor, if all the energy and shock gets delivered there will be damage without any penetration. Ofcourse it can be stopped but regardless the energy must be absorbed and dissipated. Kinetic Energy is Equal to one half of the projectile mass times the Velocity squared. Regardless of the laws of Man the laws of Physics will be obeyed.
Interesting... very different from results others got in ballistic gel. Might be that the greater resistance of the clay helps the bullet expand better. CCI warns that the rounds do not perform well in revolvers. As someone explained, a jacketed bullet takes more energy than a lead round to engage the rifling. The cylinder gap allows a lot of gas loss, making it harder to engage the rifling. That probably has a lot to do with the unburned powder.
Couple of things to remember. When you measure the barrel length on a revolver of any kind you're measuring only the barrel of the firearm. Adjust for that when you are doing a video. It does make a difference. Unless there's a uniquely wide Barrel cylinder Gap that exceeds about 2 and 1/2 thousandths. It usually does not affect velocity enough to be an issue. Especially in rounds like a 9mm where the pressure curve is almost instantaneous. I have even seen revolvers with the same overall length of barrel and chamber, actually produce higher velocities out of some revolvers. Maybe because the bullet is already going fairly fast when it engages rifling. I have been studying wound ballistics along with a lot of other things involving pistols since 1970 when I started teaching people to shoot. One thing I found early on, especially in the 1980s when the Illinois State Police first started using a 9 mm 115 grain hollow point running out at about 1275 or faster out of their pistols, was that they did get a lot of fragmentation. But it didn't seem to stop the bullet from being able to be a first shot fight stopper that rivaled the 357 magnum, at least with people who can actually hit with their shooting at. I believe the numbers they were getting were within about 2% of the 357 Magnum 125 grain hollow point. And that the 357 Magnum gets with all shootings that were being studied at the time at least according to Evan Marshall. That was the only 9 mm round capable of that kind of performance performance until the more recent Lehigh defense 124 grain Speer Gold Dot hollow point plus P plus. Running out at almost 1300 ft per second or even greater in a few examples, once in a while it would fragment, but that original federal law enforcement round of 115 grains still stops people in real life even though people still complain that it fragments. Fragmenting is not a bad thing when you're trying to stop somebody. It actually does more damage that way in a lot of cases. Remember that your purpose when you're defending yourself is to do enough damage to convince them to stop attacking you. It doesn't matter whether the bullet falls apart or not. As long as those pieces are still moving at some velocity, it may very well still be getting the job done.
The CCI Uppercut is a big flop because it does not do what it is advertised to do - expand when fired from a 2-3" handgun. CCI should have just enlarged the Stinger's hollow point because it has plenty of velocity to expand. Call it Stinger Defense. No need to design a jacketed bullet. They screwed up royally by releasing this ammo without testing it.
CCI makes a .22lr round called Velocitor that is copper jacketed and I forget if it’s hollow point or not but they’re spicy and accurate, not long in the case like Stingers. Not easy to find. Worth buying if you do find tho. Fast and accurate rarely come in same package, with .22lr anyway. I shoot CCI Standards and Norma Tac 22 mostly and the Velocitor just hits high from their POI. Christensen Ranger 22 likes Velocitors, a lot, and I have an old Mossberg, Model 187 maybe, the one with flip down hooded front sight options and longer barrel. It’s accurate AF and much quieter with faster Ammo like Velocitors. They’re loud but if you keep a mag of them on you they work great on surprising Coyote encounters, much better than lobbing standard velocity stuff at them. I like the Tyson/Glass Joe reference. My Grandpa loved playing the original Nintendo when one got left at his house. Thanks.
Thanks for watching! I was a big fan of Super Punch Out too. Check out my video on Velocitors, one of my favorite rounds: th-cam.com/video/PrHnSbNHfTQ/w-d-xo.html They are not jacketed though, just copper wash/plating.
The revolver has a Barrel-Cylinder Gap that allows some Pressure to be released out , resulting in a Lower Velocity than a Comparable Semi-Auto. That is the Case for ALL Revolvers, in ALL Calibers.
It’s PLATED, not jacketed. But , that’s not bad. It’s just a slightly thicker plating than the Stinger, and intended to expand less and penetrate better/deeper. It does that. However, the Aguila 40gr Inteceptor is equally fast, but 25% heavier for greater kinetic AND momentum energy. And besides, they cost roughly half as much… Guess which I use?
You should repeat your experiment using rifles with different barrel lengths. Uppercut looks like a good bullet, but I wonder if any shorter pistol barrel will make that bullet expand to its full potential? Also, your holding things in your hands and shaking them in front of the camera makes it difficult to see them and makes me sea sick. R, Steve
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Hello, you and your video held my interest. A jacketed .22lr round interests me. Several things influence how a bullet opens up. Speed seems to be the most important factor. Solid mediums like wood prevent hollow points from opening up. Do you know of Paul Harrell? He has used several folded up fleece blankets to catch bullets after they have penetrated the test medium. If you haven't heard of him check out his channel, Paul Harrell (specifically his meat target demonstrations). Paul is very ill. There is a fundraiser for him and his family. You'd look good in a Paul Harrell T shirt. Respectfully, Steve...behind enemy lines.
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this ammo was that it would be better suited for use in a cmmg.22 conversion for the ar-15. The round shouldn’t put any lead fouling in your gas system and should be a lot cleaner of a round.
Cool. Interesting round. I wonder how it performs out of a rifle (always recognizing that's not its design intent). Much more useful in self-defense terms: Compare to CCI Stinger! The Stinger has for a couple of decades been my own preferred choice for my 3" .22 revolver.
Looks great needs more velocity though and a better burning powder going back to the punch it spends its powder more efficiently but who cares we have two definite options for 22 am not biased what works works I like the full jacket though but that may be a downfall without velocity
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I carry a 22 for a bunch of reasons I am not going to burden myself with concealed carry holsters and the myth that a 22 isn’t enough is just that especially since you will never likely have to use it it’s cheap to run and fits in my back pocket so I am not the super elite tactical 40 rounds of ammunition and gun in my waist guy I train with rifles so just having a nice high velocity hole puncher is great for me but I don’t judge I do service rifle matches and idpa and that is where my marksmanship is focused in the public I am more about evasion with my hole puncher so that is what works for me I am glad people are making an effort too make defense related reliable rounds for those of us that would rather not carry a gun if it involves jamming something in my pants and being in comfortable. Keep up the good work
I prefer the heavier grain. CCI mini mag 40 gr RN is what I carry. It’s accurate and runs flawless n my Walther. Golden bullet is a good rd also. Oldies but goodies the high tech new ones hasn’t got nothing on them if any it’s very little. Punch is about the only one. Great penetration most of the time not much expansion but with a 22 it’s about penetration anyway.
Well now I know what to use if I am defending myself against one of Gumby or Pokey's evil clay cousins. But what kind of expansion will I get with ballistic gel, or even a water jug or large water balloon?
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By looking at the (dence) clay entry wound, wound channel and penetration you can't tell me a 22lr isn't good for self defense. Is it the greatest, of course not but those who say that it's a useless round are nuts!
Thanks for watching! I don't think he's guilty of any deception. It's good to have many people testing the ammo though. More data is always more better.
It would be interesting to see how a high velocity hollow point compares in the clay. I'm sorry if you have already done this as I am new to your channel
Thanks for watching! That's a good point. I should have shot one. I'll make sure to do that next video. The clay is usually not as exciting as the dog food and coconuts so I neglected it this time.
Is the dog food test accurate? The second can shot clearly had the bullet exit in the seam of the can. That is why the can had more damage above and below the exit hole. The can seam is the weakest portion of the can. Interesting test though. Phil
Vista owns both Federal and CCI. This is subsonic and I see that as its only benefit when used suppressed. Otherwise Fed punch or stingers are better. They had to do something to get the jacket on there and the only choice is by shedding weight.
You can take a Stinger round, enlarge the hollow point with a small drill bit and test it on a water jug. It will expand if the hole is big enough. The trick is not to go crazy with the drill to make sure the round still feeds reliably.
@@terrywadsworth5645 External hearing protection legally owned via tax stamp. I'll take not being deaf over a longer court case. You are right about the velocity.
Uppercut is a disappointment.. Have seen a video thru a 16" barrel into 10 0/0 gel. Maybe good for predators and pests. Think I will stick with Stingers.. Thank you for the video..
I saw a video earlier today that showed 3 shots through a 3.6 in barrel through denim with t shirt and gel, through just t shirt and gel and just gel and none of the three had any expansion. I'll wait and see if cci will make improvements before I try it.
“Worlds first jacketed .22LR” Actually no. I’ve read the US military had jacketed .22 LR ammo in WW2 for limited use in the high standard suppressed pistol. I think they were even a thing for a bit after the war although it’s unclear if this is surplus commercial or made up (assuming it happened at all).
Should have got the sig 322. If you load the mags perfectly it runs flawlessly.Yes loading the mags slow and meticulously is a pain in the ace!!! but I did know that going in. I love the stingers but when I shoot those it causes leading on the end of the barrel which is a little weird and annoying but actually they say not to run stingers in my gun anyway. be safe!!!
@@allenperry2921 The Sig was my other choice. But it's my wife's piece and the TX22 fit her perfectly and she loves the sights. It shoots crappy bulk Wilcat Winchester without one bit of trouble. So far, it's been near flawless with everything else, but best of all...Velocitors.
Seem like the punch is still the front runner for deformation penetration and velocity but who knows in a 22 now there are 2 good options now federal needs to jacket the punch now there is competition they just may
To be fair, I prefer larger calibers and heavier for diameter bullets. I normally carry a .38 Special revolver and 158 SWC HP lead bullets. (I used to prefer a .45 ACP 230 grain bullet - Federal Hydra Shok - but with age that tends to hurt my hands more.) Clay is not the ultimate testing media for gunshot wounds. One of the reasons clay is not used in those governmental (police, FB1, and all that sort) agencies. However, when testing several bullets or loads, clay can be uniform in viscosity and resistance to penetration, but is only meaningful in comparison. Ballistic gel is much more indicative, but is expensive; so that's a drawback. The range of the impact is also rather odd. in self defense, 'closer' is more likely than 'far'; but near contact wounds are not all that universal.
Thanks for watching! I've been using clay for years, so it's a comparative medium for me. I shoot point blank because my aim is bad. And it lets me see how much powder is wasted.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Okay. Your reasoning clarifies the matter. As long as others understand and do not attempt to compare clay with gel. (Or apples with oranges.)
In other words it is a stinger, (which has always had a plated jacket) with a faster burning powder for shorter barrels. Years ago I was forced to use a Tiny NAA revolver for self defense and the stingers did indeed open and took out the bottom third of the BG's Heart. It is very hard for a hp slug to open when hitting a hard / stiff target such as the clay is here due to the coldness. This does not in any way act the same as flesh. The test is flawed in this case, not necessarily the actual bullet in all likelihood. we will not know without a proper test. KnifeMaker/Retired after 47+ years in the Shop.
Nothing,copper is still far softer than the steel used in firearm barrels. Generally damage done to firearm barrel’s whether in a handgun or rifle is done by the extreme heat caused when the powder is ignited.
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Going to do some testing of my own; different level from most. Will that copper jacket remove lead fouling better than mercury ? Back 50 years ago was how we used to do it.
Not the world's first. The first jacketed 22 rimfire was produced during WWII for use in the High Standard HDMS silenced pistols and some silenced 22 rifles. The reason was to comply with The Hague Convention against soft point and expanding ammunition.
Remington makes a hollow point long rifel that has a copper jacket or short jacket i no by experience becouse the doc. had to cut the jacket out of me and the lead went through
Wish something a bit more innovative would happen with 22LR. But, I feel like this CCI load is a big of a hit-n-miss scenario. What is it doing that is more significant to other 22LR on the market? So far the Punch seems to be the penetration champ, which for as lowly as 22LR is in a lot of cases, is the most important factor with thicker/threatening targets. Seems if weight is increased above about 29-32 gr, the case capacity just cannot support significant velocities in general, for shorter barrels. It's all a balance of minutia and small fry factors with 22LR, there just isn't much powder space or bullet weight to work with.
The only time I’ve seen these junk rounds expand properly is when the guy they sponsor tested um …IMO 22lr hollow points are pointless at least in handguns
I honestly think that the best way to resolve this issue regarding the new uppercut and diferent results in diferent types of gel is to do the Paul Harrell meat target test. It will tell us how effective this ammo is in real world. 👍👍
Thanks for watching! That's a good idea.
I shot copper coated/washed/jacketed 22lr 40 years ago. Used to get it at Montgomery wards.
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Same here !
These CCI were sold in Germany in the 80s.
Exactly the older Stingers have these back when I was a kid
We had something similar in Australia in the 80's. They were called Winchester XXX
@@BUZZKILLJRJR - BINGO!!! This was my thought exacly. Back in the mid~t0~late 70's tehe ("original") Stingers were jacked. I remember articles in teh magazines of the day (G & A, Amer. Rifleman) not looking favorably upon the jacket in a .22 round.
Ahhhh.... the good old days!
So, in my opinion the uppercut is still expanding good. I don't think that the bad guy is going to complain about the expansion.
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my often-carried handgun is a ruger sr22. i have put 20,000 rounds through my two. my go-to ammo is cci minimag. at 30’ i bounce soda cans all day. ten reliable rounds into a fast 3” group should get me out of any trouble that im likely to face. no need for gimmicky ammo.
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20,000 rounds?...hmm
@@mitchprever4632 i purchased mine in 2012 and 2014 respectively. 12 years of ownership is about 1400/rounds per year. i often shoot 300-400 rounds/session.
Do you run the hollow point mini mags or fmj?
@@shady80s22 whichever cci minimag is cheaper and/or available.
This round is not terrible but it seems that the stingers are better for the job.
Thanks for watching! I think there are definitely other good options.
This was not designed for the Revolver too much loss in Velocity between the cylinder forcing cone and short barrel you should try the LCP 2.5 " and a 10 /22 in a rifle the effect is very surprising. 😊Good review.I have every other round punch, uppercut,punch ,upper cut.
Thanks for watching! The revolver really didn't work out.
The Uppercut has been tested in pistols with 4" barrels and it still failed to expand.
YOU CAN USE MY LCP IF YOU WANT TO @@TheOldFatDadGoober
A couple of problems. First is the lack of reliability of. 22lr out of auto pistols,especially pocket pistols. Second is Dutch Loading through a pistol and again,especially a pocket pistol. If you must use .22lr,a revolver is the way to go. If recoil is a factor,a 9mm +p carbine is vastly superior to a rimfire rifle.
Close but no cigar. Its back to the drawing board, CCI. Thanks for the vid.
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Stinger....no equals to it.
For up close and personal I think the agula sniper sub sonic may be the way to go. The weight is going to allow the powder to do its job in a short barrel better.
Thanks for watching! Interesting point.
Seems strange that CCI who makes some of the best quality 22 rimfires actually missed the boat with their uppercut.
Give the uppercut a hipervelocity loading and it will be a success.
Thanks for watching! I agree, could use some extra juice.
Exactly... can't believe they designed a round that looks almost identical to the stinger, and with actual real brass coating .. and, made it 950 feet per second. They already have that in the subsonic line.
I think the actual copper slowed the projectile down, regular stingers go faster with copper wash and not even pistol optimized powder
@@WayStedYou I don't think it has to do with the copper
The 32gr weight of the bullet at 950fps might not be enough
Oooph to operate suppressed .22LR pistols and rifles… 40gr at 1000 fps out of a 4” would be better.
There is a Need for jacketed .22 for AR15 conversion kits, or anything with a gas port.
Also 1/7 twist of modern AR barrels dont like soft unjacketed lead bullets. The old 1/12 had no problem with it. Jacketed would be great for suppressors… atomized lead buildup is heck to clean… and toxic.
Been shooting 22lr win Power Points for thirty years which is a copper jacketed hollow point. High velocity 1280 fps.
Thanks for watching! Didn't realize they had a copper jacket! Can you link them for me?
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Not jacketed, basic copper wash coating, but a damn good round either way.
They aren’t a copper jacket bullet. They are a copper wash bullet. Very different.
If you look at the box it states these cartridges are designed for use in SEMI-AUTO PISTOLS ! I know many people think a pistol is any handgun. This is wrong,a pistol is a handgun where by the cartridge is inserted directly into the barrel! The chamber of a pistol is part of the barrel. A single shot with a short barrel is a pistol,a semiautomatic handgun is a pistol & a derringer is a pistol BUT a revolver is NOT a pistol. Now both a pistol & a revolver are both handguns. The reason these cartridges are for use in pistols & NOT in any handgun is because fired in a revolver to much pressure is lost between the cylinder/chamber & barrel even if your revolver has a 8” barrel the pressure is lost before it gets to the barrel in a revolver! This is why there was so much unburned powder around the entrance hole in the clay when the revolver was fired point blank into it but not so much with a pistol where the powder will get a more complete burn,higher pressure & velocity = better bullet preformance! Assuming the pistol used falls in the 2.5”-4” barrel length as stated on the box. Not a true test of the cartridge!
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TOFD G. Always a good, informative and interesting ammo comparison. Seems like it should be a good round but maybe nothing super special. Thanks for your work and for sharing. Take care.
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Thanks for the video! In that study "An alternative look at handgun stopping power" the 22LR has proven to be used more in defense situations than the 380 ACP and 357. I think it's that gun that people keep the sock drawer for any contingency. Nice video as always!! 👍
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Used more often doesn't mean used successfully.
Yes a .22lr can kill, for sure, but a lot of luck and a massive amount of skill and being extremely calm under pressure is involved in that.
@@northpointaxe6167 I get what you're saying, yeah. In terms of immediately stopping a threat, .22LR is less effective than other calibers like 9mm, .40, or .357. Typically, you'd want to use more powerful calibers than .22LR for a self-defense situation. But for some folks, whether due to advanced age, arthritis, or circumstances (having the gun with you), .22LR is what they can handle. Yeah, .22LR can be lethal. The study I mentioned shows that .22LR kills as much as .357 and more than 9mm or .38 SPL (in terms of cases in that specific study). This is probably due to a few factors, like ease and speed of aiming in multiple shots (due to the lower recoil of .22LR), greater familiarity of the defender with .22LR from more use, whether it's plinking or because of the lower cost of ammo.
And the reverse is also true. For example, 9mm, .38, and .40 have lower fatality rates than .22LR (in that study). We can speculate that this is because defenders have less training with those caliber (higher cost, fewer visits to the shooting range...). I think .380 is the ideal caliber for those people, but if an elderly person has a good .22LR gun at home, current ammo will get the job done."
Anyway, I really like the 380, for example you can buy a Ruger LCP 'MAX' with 10 rounds for about $390 at Cabela's or a Walther PD380 for $415 at Bud's Gun Shop. 👍
Anyone who owns firearms probably has a 22 lr plus a shotgun.
it seems you think 'popularity' is the same as 'effective'. "Used more" should not be mistaken for "worked better".
According to several other tests, the round is trash.
Thanks for watching! You said it, but I'm not gonna argue.
Tools has tested and tested this stuff. Junk in my opinion.
@@B0N3ZNP3WZ That's the main one I was talking about.
@@B0N3ZNP3WZ I'll check his test out. Similar results?
That’s what I’m seeing too😎👍🏽
Friendly tip: Treat your cylinder notches like arrows to determinate rotation direction. Never have to cycle 5 times to fire 1 round ever again.
Thanks for watching! Good tip.
That was the first real expansion ive seen in a 22lr bullet . Great job CCI .
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Categorically untrue. Watch Paul Harrell videos he shows the 22 expanding from pistols all the time real world conditions
I dig your energy and sincerely hope you able to grow your channel and get some nice equipment someday soon!
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agreed, i have used the old meat target and it definately does give GREAT feedback.
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I've used stingerjust about run out with 40 years before they kicked back up love them .
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For .22 lr close distance shooting, power is admittedly at the forefront of interest. Go out 30 - 40 yards and accuracy is the main interest. No amount of power makes up for missing by inches/centimeters.
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HP stands for ‘Hollow Point’ and JHP stands for ‘Jacketed Hollow Point” when it comes to describing the configuration of a bullet and/or what type of bullet is loaded in the ammunition a consumer might be considering for a purchase.
HP tells you that there is a cavity in the tip of the bullet, possibly lead and unjacketed, which facilitates expansion of the diameter of the projectile upon impact. JHP further defines and clarifies that the hollow point bullet is ‘copper-jacketed’ allowing for a higher velocity because of the copper jacket which eliminates ‘leading’ the bore with lead particles.
Both the HP and JHP bullets are designed to expand upon impact precluding overpenetration, injuring innocent bystanders and transferring all or the kinetic energy of the bullet into the surrounding tissue for a higher probability of a one-shot stop.
Lead HP bullets work just as well as JHP projectiles as long as the lead has a high enough content of antimony and tin.
If the lead is too ‘soft’, the metal will shed material along the lands and grooves of the barrel adversely affecting accuracy.
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There has been FMJ .22LR before… 80 yrs ago, used by uncle Sam in WW2 and later for Machine gun training, and other uses, and there was a tracer version as well, I got to shoot the tracer version as a little kid in the 1960’s.
More recently, a couple of SHOT shows ago, Cutting Edge Bullets introduced a Jacketed .22LR… but I haven’t seen a peep from them since.
Thanks for watching! I've been looking for a cutting edge round too. Hopefully one day soon.
The whole concept baffles me. I presume it is about the same price as 22WMR?
Also. The 22lr as a self defence round (and yes. It can do duty as that, or as a backup gun) is NOT plagued by over penetration. So a JHP bullet is a waste of money. In winter, with a lot of clothing to go through, it may even be a significantly worse choice than a regular 36/40 grain lead bullet.
Correct. In WWII coper jacketed 22 rimfire was produced for use in the High Standard HDMS silenced pistols and some silenced 22 rifles. The reason was to comply with The Hague Convention against soft point and expanding ammunition.
The 22LR FMJ M24 dates to 1944 when the Army lawyers suggested that there might be a possible violation of the Conventions if the standard 22 LR commercial cartridges were used. It was called the T 42 until 1945 when the designation M24 was adopted
Thanks for watching! Maybe this is the first civilian jacketed 22LR...
they used to make full metal jacketed bullets for the high standard pistols in .22lr in world war 2 for oss agents and pilots as a small game hunting cartridge since using expanding ammo against enemy personal is prohibited under the geneva convention
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The cylinder gap on the revolver will always lower the velocity of a round. Put the same round, one in a revolver and one in a semi-auto (or bolt gun) with the same barrel length and chrono them and you will see just how much slower and less power the round has from the revolver because of the loss through the cylinder gap.
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Not the first. I’m a cartridge collector. I have a .22 long rifle FMJ from the 60’s. It was manufactured for survival rifles for aircrew in Vietnam. In order to not violate international law, it had to be FMJ. They were available in limited quantities to the public. That is how I bought mine.
Thanks for watching! Maybe this is the first jacketed 22LR made for the civilian market?
@@TheOldFatDadGoober As far as I know, as a cartridge collector, it is.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober btw, as you probably know, there were many survival guns for air crews in Vietnam. Some single shot. Some bolt action. Some semi-auto such as the AR-7. Some were almost forgotten, such as the Bushmaster ARM pistol that shot 5.56x45 NATO and was sold commercially after the war, like the AR-7. But nobody picked up commercial manufacture of FMJ .22 ammo until now, as far as I know. Good video!
@@keithweiss7899 Federal champion 32gn and aguila supermaximum among others... are those not copper jackets?
Nice I am glad desert paved the way with the punch it’s all good now other manufacturers are going to make self defense specific .22 rounds
Me too.
It is important to shoot into something other than clay. Ideally one needs a hydrodynamic media simulating human tissue. Also if one wants to increase performance one might want to look at some other high stress high strain compounds that offer lubricity under the given velocity and terminal hydrodynamic ballistics make a significant difference in performance. Then there is the bullet material performance under those hydrodynamic conditions. For a defensive round one would like the projectiles to contribute all the energy into the target. Even when one looks at body armor, if all the energy and shock gets delivered there will be damage without any penetration. Ofcourse it can be stopped but regardless the energy must be absorbed and dissipated. Kinetic Energy is Equal to one half of the projectile mass times the Velocity squared. Regardless of the laws of Man the laws of Physics will be obeyed.
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American Eagle by Federal. .22 Long Rifle, 38 grain copper plated HP (hollow point). It has been around for years and a good reliable round
Thanks for watching! Copper plated is not the same as jacketed.
Great testing. Thanks
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Back in the day that used to be called CCI stinger but now they change the name to hook you into buying a new round that is built with cheap powder.
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Interesting... very different from results others got in ballistic gel. Might be that the greater resistance of the clay helps the bullet expand better.
CCI warns that the rounds do not perform well in revolvers. As someone explained, a jacketed bullet takes more energy than a lead round to engage the rifling. The cylinder gap allows a lot of gas loss, making it harder to engage the rifling. That probably has a lot to do with the unburned powder.
Thanks for watching! Yes the clay is much denser than gel.
Couple of things to remember. When you measure the barrel length on a revolver of any kind you're measuring only the barrel of the firearm. Adjust for that when you are doing a video. It does make a difference. Unless there's a uniquely wide Barrel cylinder Gap that exceeds about 2 and 1/2 thousandths. It usually does not affect velocity enough to be an issue. Especially in rounds like a 9mm where the pressure curve is almost instantaneous. I have even seen revolvers with the same overall length of barrel and chamber, actually produce higher velocities out of some revolvers. Maybe because the bullet is already going fairly fast when it engages rifling.
I have been studying wound ballistics along with a lot of other things involving pistols since 1970 when I started teaching people to shoot. One thing I found early on, especially in the 1980s when the Illinois State Police first started using a 9 mm 115 grain hollow point running out at about 1275 or faster out of their pistols, was that they did get a lot of fragmentation. But it didn't seem to stop the bullet from being able to be a first shot fight stopper that rivaled the 357 magnum, at least with people who can actually hit with their shooting at. I believe the numbers they were getting were within about 2% of the 357 Magnum 125 grain hollow point. And that the 357 Magnum gets with all shootings that were being studied at the time at least according to Evan Marshall. That was the only 9 mm round capable of that kind of performance performance until the more recent Lehigh defense 124 grain Speer Gold Dot hollow point plus P plus. Running out at almost 1300 ft per second or even greater in a few examples, once in a while it would fragment, but that original federal law enforcement round of 115 grains still stops people in real life even though people still complain that it fragments. Fragmenting is not a bad thing when you're trying to stop somebody. It actually does more damage that way in a lot of cases. Remember that your purpose when you're defending yourself is to do enough damage to convince them to stop attacking you. It doesn't matter whether the bullet falls apart or not. As long as those pieces are still moving at some velocity, it may very well still be getting the job done.
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The CCI Uppercut is a big flop because it does not do what it is advertised to do - expand when fired from a 2-3" handgun. CCI should have just enlarged the Stinger's hollow point because it has plenty of velocity to expand. Call it Stinger Defense. No need to design a jacketed bullet. They screwed up royally by releasing this ammo without testing it.
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Federal Punch is a copper jacketed 22LR. About 150 fps faster. I believe they were the first.
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Fed Punch is not copper jacketed. Fed says it is nickel plated.
Good to see you posting videos again.
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CCI makes a .22lr round called Velocitor that is copper jacketed and I forget if it’s hollow point or not but they’re spicy and accurate, not long in the case like Stingers. Not easy to find. Worth buying if you do find tho. Fast and accurate rarely come in same package, with .22lr anyway. I shoot CCI Standards and Norma Tac 22 mostly and the Velocitor just hits high from their POI. Christensen Ranger 22 likes Velocitors, a lot, and I have an old Mossberg, Model 187 maybe, the one with flip down hooded front sight options and longer barrel. It’s accurate AF and much quieter with faster Ammo like Velocitors. They’re loud but if you keep a mag of them on you they work great on surprising Coyote encounters, much better than lobbing standard velocity stuff at them. I like the Tyson/Glass Joe reference. My Grandpa loved playing the original Nintendo when one got left at his house. Thanks.
Thanks for watching! I was a big fan of Super Punch Out too. Check out my video on Velocitors, one of my favorite rounds:
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They are not jacketed though, just copper wash/plating.
Velocitors are my favourite 22LR round. They are copper washed, not copper jacketed.
CCI already had the 30 grain .22 Speer Gold Dot bullet that they load the .22 WMR with fir pistols. Why not use what they already had?
Thanks for watching! Great question. Also why didn't they load it hotter?
The revolver has a Barrel-Cylinder Gap that allows some Pressure to be released out , resulting in a Lower Velocity than a Comparable Semi-Auto. That is the Case for ALL Revolvers, in ALL Calibers.
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Well you are not the only one that had upper-cut issues. I am disappointed with it. Good thing it's hard to find.
Thanks for watching! Still brand new. Maybe they will do some tweaking and make it better before a wider release.
It's probably designed to work in any small auto. I've seen feeding problems with the pt22 with lead rounds that this one should work.
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how about checking the punch vs. the cci stinger. i am curious to see the difference. i would also like to see what the uppercut will do from a rifle.
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Thanks for the interesting and fun video.
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If someone told you 2 inches is a lot. They just trying to be Nice with you😂.
Looking forward to see the rifle test!
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It’s PLATED, not jacketed. But , that’s not bad. It’s just a slightly thicker plating than the Stinger, and intended to expand less and penetrate better/deeper. It does that.
However, the Aguila 40gr Inteceptor is equally fast, but 25% heavier for greater kinetic AND momentum energy. And besides, they cost roughly half as much…
Guess which I use?
Thanks for watching! I'm pretty sure this is a truly jacketed round, not plated. I also love the Interceptor.
Honestly the heritage rough rider is the most underrated revolver ever!
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You should repeat your experiment using rifles with different barrel lengths. Uppercut looks like a good bullet, but I wonder if any shorter pistol barrel will make that bullet expand to its full potential? Also, your holding things in your hands and shaking them in front of the camera makes it difficult to see them and makes me sea sick. R, Steve
Thanks for watching! I'll try rifles and keeping things still next video.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Hello, you and your video held my interest. A jacketed .22lr round interests me. Several things influence how a bullet opens up. Speed seems to be the most important factor. Solid mediums like wood prevent hollow points from opening up. Do you know of Paul Harrell? He has used several folded up fleece blankets to catch bullets after they have penetrated the test medium. If you haven't heard of him check out his channel, Paul Harrell (specifically his meat target demonstrations). Paul is very ill. There is a fundraiser for him and his family. You'd look good in a Paul Harrell T shirt. Respectfully, Steve...behind enemy lines.
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this ammo was that it would be better suited for use in a cmmg.22 conversion for the ar-15. The round shouldn’t put any lead fouling in your gas system and should be a lot cleaner of a round.
Thanks for watching! Good point. I think that the primer and powder for rimfire rounds are also responsible for the gunk.
Great video.
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Cool. Interesting round.
I wonder how it performs out of a rifle (always recognizing that's not its design intent).
Much more useful in self-defense terms: Compare to CCI Stinger!
The Stinger has for a couple of decades been my own preferred choice for my 3" .22 revolver.
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I would like to see what my Heritage, 4-1/2 barrel 22 mag would do. The Viper rounds are 36 grain and full metal jacket
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Looks great needs more velocity though and a better burning powder going back to the punch it spends its powder more efficiently but who cares we have two definite options for 22 am not biased what works works I like the full jacket though but that may be a downfall without velocity
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@@TheOldFatDadGoober I carry a 22 for a bunch of reasons I am not going to burden myself with concealed carry holsters and the myth that a 22 isn’t enough is just that especially since you will never likely have to use it it’s cheap to run and fits in my back pocket so I am not the super elite tactical 40 rounds of ammunition and gun in my waist guy I train with rifles so just having a nice high velocity hole puncher is great for me but I don’t judge I do service rifle matches and idpa and that is where my marksmanship is focused in the public I am more about evasion with my hole puncher so that is what works for me I am glad people are making an effort too make defense related reliable rounds for those of us that would rather not carry a gun if it involves jamming something in my pants and being in comfortable. Keep up the good work
For a bullet to expand, it has to reach a minimum velocity on impact. If not no expansion.
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I prefer the heavier grain. CCI mini mag 40 gr RN is what I carry. It’s accurate and runs flawless n my Walther. Golden bullet is a good rd also. Oldies but goodies the high tech new ones hasn’t got nothing on them if any it’s very little. Punch is about the only one. Great penetration most of the time not much expansion but with a 22 it’s about penetration anyway.
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Only expands in water out of a rifle
Not enough velocity to expand in gel out of short barrel
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Well now I know what to use if I am defending myself against one of Gumby or Pokey's evil clay cousins. But what kind of expansion will I get with ballistic gel, or even a water jug or large water balloon?
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I'd be absolutely shocked to find out that you're not in Canada or from Canada.
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What about comparing to the Winchester silver tips ?
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Maybe it would be out of a rifle or in 22mag, good experiment though and thanks for bringing us along
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By looking at the (dence) clay entry wound, wound channel and penetration you can't tell me a 22lr isn't good for self defense.
Is it the greatest, of course not but those who say that it's a useless round are nuts!
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Clay sucks as a tissue simulant.
I shot CCI minimag years ago, I believe they were also jackted
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I was prepped to type TIGER UPPERCUT and then... the coconut happened. And then the dog food can...
oh well. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching! Man, I played way too much street fighter back in the day.
I know it’s designed for pistols but, how does it do from a rifle?
Thanks for watching! Great question, I'll make a video soon on it.
Looks like 22plinkster needs to fess up about how he got the results that he did
Thanks for watching! I don't think he's guilty of any deception. It's good to have many people testing the ammo though. More data is always more better.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober22plinster gets paid by CCI.
It would be interesting to see how a high velocity hollow point compares in the clay. I'm sorry if you have already done this as I am new to your channel
Thanks for watching! That's a good point. I should have shot one. I'll make sure to do that next video. The clay is usually not as exciting as the dog food and coconuts so I neglected it this time.
I think with 22’s all you want is speed !
Thanks for watching! I agree, speed is a big factor.
Is the dog food test accurate? The second can shot clearly had the bullet exit in the seam of the can. That is why the can had more damage above and below the exit hole. The can seam is the weakest portion of the can. Interesting test though. Phil
Thanks for watching! The seam is an overlapped area of metal so it might even be stronger.
Vista owns both Federal and CCI. This is subsonic and I see that as its only benefit when used suppressed. Otherwise Fed punch or stingers are better. They had to do something to get the jacket on there and the only choice is by shedding weight.
Thanks for watching! I would have liked a thicker jacket and more velocity.
You can take a Stinger round, enlarge the hollow point with a small drill bit and test it on a water jug. It will expand if the hole is big enough. The trick is not to go crazy with the drill to make sure the round still feeds reliably.
Most any .22lr will be subsonic out of a short barrel. Plus,how do you explain to the cops the use of a suppressor?
@@terrywadsworth5645 External hearing protection legally owned via tax stamp. I'll take not being deaf over a longer court case. You are right about the velocity.
So what about shooting a long RIFLE through a rifle(s): say a single shot long barrel and a Ruger 1022?
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It looks like a slightly different version of the Stingers
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Uppercut is a disappointment.. Have seen a video thru a 16" barrel into 10 0/0 gel. Maybe good for predators and pests. Think I will stick with Stingers.. Thank you for the video..
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The longer case is a No Go for the match grade chamber in my favorite 52B. It would be great for revolvers!
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So if you can't shoot it in a Revolver and it doesn't fit in a match grade chamber - what did they intend it for???@@TheOldFatDadGoober
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@@TalonID They run good in my Calico M950 .... (All others dont) Maybe they made them for me ?! lol
I saw a video earlier today that showed 3 shots through a 3.6 in barrel through denim with t shirt and gel, through just t shirt and gel and just gel and none of the three had any expansion. I'll wait and see if cci will make improvements before I try it.
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“Worlds first jacketed .22LR” Actually no.
I’ve read the US military had jacketed .22 LR ammo in WW2 for limited use in the high standard suppressed pistol.
I think they were even a thing for a bit after the war although it’s unclear if this is surplus commercial or made up (assuming it happened at all).
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If it's got a Stinger casing, which jams about 5% of the time on my Taurus TX22.
NO SALE.
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Should have got the sig 322. If you load the mags perfectly it runs flawlessly.Yes loading the mags slow and meticulously is a pain in the ace!!! but I did know that going in. I love the stingers but when I shoot those it causes leading on the end of the barrel which is a little weird and annoying but actually they say not to run stingers in my gun anyway. be safe!!!
@@allenperry2921 The Sig was my other choice. But it's my wife's piece and the TX22 fit her perfectly and she loves the sights. It shoots crappy bulk Wilcat Winchester without one bit of trouble. So far, it's been near flawless with everything else, but best of all...Velocitors.
@@islanddon865don’t worry you made the right choice!!👌🏼
Seem like the punch is still the front runner for deformation penetration and velocity but who knows in a 22 now there are 2 good options now federal needs to jacket the punch now there is competition they just may
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Interesting,
You have a semi. that perhaps stubs itself ? Purposely , manufactured w/ lower speeds to prevent over penetration .
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Thank you for sharing this video.
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You want the petals to cut additional flesh in a defensive round. Try it out of a Ruger 10/22 rifle
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I thought all of cci 22 were jacketed, hmm, learn something new every day
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Dang. Finally see a jacketed .22LR and it's not anything to write home about presently. That sucks.
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They are making these rounds a
again I used cci stingers in the 1980s they are new only to a youngster .
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Probably make a super nice squirrel round! I think I’d stick with Federal Punch in a bad situation?
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That seems like it would be a better rifle round I think maybe.
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To be fair, I prefer larger calibers and heavier for diameter bullets. I normally carry a .38 Special revolver and 158 SWC HP lead bullets. (I used to prefer a .45 ACP 230 grain bullet - Federal Hydra Shok - but with age that tends to hurt my hands more.)
Clay is not the ultimate testing media for gunshot wounds. One of the reasons clay is not used in those governmental (police, FB1, and all that sort) agencies. However, when testing several bullets or loads, clay can be uniform in viscosity and resistance to penetration, but is only meaningful in comparison. Ballistic gel is much more indicative, but is expensive; so that's a drawback.
The range of the impact is also rather odd. in self defense, 'closer' is more likely than 'far'; but near contact wounds are not all that universal.
Thanks for watching! I've been using clay for years, so it's a comparative medium for me. I shoot point blank because my aim is bad. And it lets me see how much powder is wasted.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Okay. Your reasoning clarifies the matter. As long as others understand and do not attempt to compare clay with gel. (Or apples with oranges.)
Thank you.
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Love the cci stingers..anyone ever compared these two?
Thanks for watching! Not yet, but good idea.
In other words it is a stinger, (which has always had a plated jacket) with a faster burning powder for shorter barrels.
Years ago I was forced to use a Tiny NAA revolver for self defense and the stingers did indeed open and took out the bottom third of the BG's Heart.
It is very hard for a hp slug to open when hitting a hard / stiff target such as the clay is here due to the coldness. This does not in any way act the same as flesh. The test is flawed in this case, not necessarily the actual bullet in all likelihood. we will not know without a proper test.
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I wonder what this jacketed bullet will do to barrels that are designed to work with lead bullets....
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Nothing,copper is still far softer than the steel used in firearm barrels. Generally damage done to firearm barrel’s whether in a handgun or rifle is done by the extreme heat caused when the powder is ignited.
O.K. the upper cut is not as good as advertised, but I am still 99% happy with CCI products! Also I will buy a box or two before they are extinct.
Thanks for watching! Might be a collectors item soon! I'm going to use up mine.
honestly if they can get that kinda burn speed out of a rimfire i wanna know the powder they are using i'd buy it for 357 snubbies
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Going to do some testing of my own; different level from most. Will that copper jacket remove lead fouling better than mercury ? Back 50 years ago was how we used to do it.
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Not the world's first. The first jacketed 22 rimfire was produced during WWII for use in the High Standard HDMS silenced pistols and some silenced 22 rifles. The reason was to comply with The Hague Convention against soft point and expanding ammunition.
Thanks for watching! Interesting! Maybe I should rephrase it as first civilian jacketed 22LR.
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experience becouse the doc. had to cut the jacket out of me and the lead went through
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CCI stingers ripped the burl on my Remington 597 I don’t use them anymore
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Wish something a bit more innovative would happen with 22LR. But, I feel like this CCI load is a big of a hit-n-miss scenario. What is it doing that is more significant to other 22LR on the market? So far the Punch seems to be the penetration champ, which for as lowly as 22LR is in a lot of cases, is the most important factor with thicker/threatening targets. Seems if weight is increased above about 29-32 gr, the case capacity just cannot support significant velocities in general, for shorter barrels. It's all a balance of minutia and small fry factors with 22LR, there just isn't much powder space or bullet weight to work with.
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I'm just looking for info, my favorite part of the video is when you said, "I'm going to stop talking."
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The only time I’ve seen these junk rounds expand properly is when the guy they sponsor tested um …IMO 22lr hollow points are pointless at least in handguns
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I would like to see what you get if you fired the Uppercut out of a 6" barrel.
Thanks for watching! I don't have a 6" unfortunately.
If you don't mind some easy reloading, check out cutting edge bullets. They make a true copper 22LR bullet
Thanks for watching! I've been wanting to try some of those. I'm hoping a company will load some at some point.