Israelis: What if the Romans wanted their land back?
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As someone with Italian ancestry, I demand a passport in every country in the former Roman Empire. It’s my right. God says so.
Lmao
Welcome to Lebanon! The Italians left an enormous temple in Lebanon 2000 years ago, so come and inherit it.
😆😆
I support you
Your ancestors stole the land, it wasn't your ancestors home. Go argue with the British and Ottomans.
Yes, I'm from Italy and I want my land back!
Andres LeBon First of all, give us back the treasures of the Temple!
Ciao, I'm from Romania (ancient Roman province of Dacia), you can have us back any time, and I'm sure a lot people here would agree on this!
Andres LeBon it’s not money. Go learn history you ignorant
@@wyqtor Ciao, I'm not sure if a lot of people in Italy would agree with you 😁, but thanks. Anyway in these days is not so cool to be part of Italy.
Come and get it... I dare you!
First guy was having a panic attack, he knew he was exposing his own hypocrisy
The cognitive dissonance started kicking in fast.
Pilpul is amazing to see in action.
And the second one just arrogant.
Actually thought that guy was intending to be fair in his answer... he was tripping up... like most people he probably hasn't thought about these questions much, or at all... and it is challenging.... very challenging to face a lot of this...
No he had a very reasonable view. He was willing to compromise for peace if he could have basic assurance of safety. That's all we can expect from anyone. If Israel were ruled by people like him there would be a lot more progress towards peace and freedom.
"What if the Romans wanted their land back?" is a great question and here is a similar one for Americans: What if the indigenous people of America wanted their land back, and several major world powers supported them with funding and advanced weapons?
And being Australian. What if the Aboriginals want their land back?
Romans were occupiers and not indigenous to Palestine/Israel. Same for Ottomans. But Ottomans were able to retain ownership of their land in many or most cases, even after leaving Palestine. A portion of the land transfer happened through purchase from Ottomans or others. An ottoman or Roman wouldn’t have any claim in such a case.
Not a good comparison to Israel though. All Americans of Native descent get equal rights here. They have the right to vote. They are fully equal in the eyes of the law, both bound and protected by the law, and furthermore, most Americans understand and acknowledge the massive injustice we did to them, and the tribes are recognized, have land, have received settlements for the US's failure to comply with our treaties, and they enjoy significant federal benefits. None of this can be said about the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza--and make no mistake, there is, and will be, only one state between the river and the sea--that is Israel, but 5 million of Israel's residents--non-Jewish--have no rights.
But don't they enjoy full rights as Australian citizens, with the right to vote? If not, then that too, would be a major injustice that needs to be fixed.@@jacintagay226
I would support that. cuz fuck the US.
The issue with Israel is, the region bordering the east of the mediterrane sea is not the land where the Israelites were indigenous to. Israelites conquered that country just like the Romans conquered that country, because God told them it is the right thing to do.
Their indigenous land of the Israelites is actually closer to the region of Iraq and Kuwait. Why they are not settled there anymore is something different to ask. I guess from the scriptures it could be, because they were arrogant pricks to polytheist people in that area and were kicked out.
"God gave us this land"
No England did
well the british crown is also said to have its power from God
that's the Christian Anglican interpretation, but hey at least it's also Abrahamic
The next best thing.
What a simply and beautifully said sentence
Ignorant.. 3000 years afo
@ei-da? facts
Some Italians should start a social media campaign to get their land back. I would love to see this happen.
back from who? Didnt they originally take it from the Jews? So if anyone had the right to take it back its the Jews. lol what a funny comment
@@madcatter1 and jews take it from canaanites
@@fatimasaksouk literally how history works. Migrations and people conquering each other.
@@VinnieG-exactly, so by the moment we then conquered the jewish by your logic we should be the last one who should have the right to claim it back ( we don't really want to claim anything back but is just the same thinking process you did)
@@ciaoatutti307 that's precisely what the other side is trying to do...
I don't understand your point
I love how fast the first guy went from "that's ridiculous" to "it depends".
Another good question would be "what if America decides to stop funding and supporting Isreal how would that affect Isreal?"
They wouldn't have started this "war". It's all based on Netinyahu bragging he controls US.
In realtà l'America dipende dai soldi degli ebrei
won't happen though since American Jews got Capitol Hill by the balls
Israel would crease to exist. Israel is not self sustainable. Unlike the Palestinians, will they like to mock as people who have not changed... For several millennia... Isralis are not acclimated to dessert living.
What's Israel!
That's what people would say hundreds of years after America stopped supporting Israel!
“God promised us this land”
I didn’t know God was a estate agent.
With Habirus you lose.
That why Israel so afraid to Iran because iranian trying to make nuklir bom, other nation not afraid if Iran making nuk bom, because we don't steal other people land.
We are the Hebrew Israelites of the scriptures 12 tribes not jew-ish
@@tedjohnson8319 white people from Europe, they are not jewish, they already mix for thousand year, the real jewish is jewish from middle east their face same like Arab, and not going anywhere, not based on your holy book, because everybody have their own holy book
@@entahhendrayana3145 they are not middle east... that word has an origin... by European. Hebrews were mistaken for Egyptians. Not the arabs there of today either
What if the Roman want their land back today?
Israeli: It doesn't make any sense.
Palestinian: Then how could it make sense for Israel to claim that it's their land after 2000 years?
If you don't know nothing, best to keep trap shut
@@michaelhansen4300 Really? What's your excuse? God promised you this land?
@@michaelhansen4300 at least he know English better than you. If you don't know nothing is double negative.
@@michaelhansen4300 atleast he did made sense. Triple negative for u
@@michaelhansen4300 If i convert do i also become a chosen one? Am i also entitled to a piece of land there if i say im circumcized?
HAHHAHHAH braindead morons
As soon as his logic is applied to Israel, his argument changes completely.
Wow! This needs to be shared, because this is absolutely relevant right now more than ever.
Old argument of the colonisers of years gone by
I absolutely agree. It hurts me deeply that the U.S. and Gemocide Joe support this Palestinian Genocide, and I'm a Democrat. 😔
Totally false equivalence. Israel was the homeland of the Jewish People. It was just a province of a conquering Roman empire. Hardly the same at all! Israel is and has only ever been the single home of the Jewish People. There's no where else. There are 22 arab countries with a landmass of 13 million km2 compared to Israel's tiny 22 thousand km2.
@@gedaliaw Propaganda at it's highest. Just like the Nazis. If it was their only homeland, why were they migrating from Europe? Their natural homeland for 1000s of years. That was their homeland. Russia was their homeland.
The Jewish, Muslim and Christian Palestinians lived in Palestine. You colonial thieves came in from Europe and took it by force.
@@gedaliaw people can't tell what they're looking at when they stand so close. Bottom line is modern Israel was born nearly a century ago, and its not going anywhere. No matter how much the international community whines about it, Israel will defend the Jewish people after 2000+ years of savagery through to Oct 7th. As for the Palestinians, once their leaders accept that fact, the long road to peace can truly begin. Look at Egypt, 40 years without conflict
"If I don't steal your home, someone else is going to"- Settler to a Palestinian
The Brooklyn guy, right?
At least that guy was being honest.
I appreciate those who are straight up about it, instead of pretending to be woke liberal-minded folk who care about equality.
He was correct - that family is being kicked out of their home regardless. If he doesn’t take it, it won’t go back to the Palestinian family, it will just be given to another Israeli settler.
@@MJW238 this is a stupid ass take LMAO. The right thing to do would be to stand up for the Palestinian family. this was dumb.
You’re saying “Oh im gonna take your property forcefully BUT it’s okay cus I told you straight up tho so you can’t argue with me. Gtfo.”
@@jkicks755 “Idk your agenda” yes you do bc he made it very very clear to everyone who read his comment.
@@lolacookie453 you right. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt
The first guy in the interview, sound like a shoplifter who got caught, and is trying to explain that he was not stealing.
best comment ever lol
Tahuan Tinsuyo lmaoo
Your comment doesn't make sense at all.... People need to think when bombarded with sudden heavy political questions on the street. Everyone would be startled by it. Secondly, the Jews were there long before the Romans or even the Arabs, so do your math who stole from whom here...
@@GPBKM The terms arab and hebrew got the same root. It means literally the same.
@@ClintEastwooodPS3 , No doubt both languages are Semitic languages like most of the languages in the Middle East. That doesn't change the fact that Jews are originated from Judea in Israel, and the Arabs are from Arabia... And no, they don't mean the same thing! The original word for Hebrew is "Ivri". The word Arab in Arabic is "Arabi" which literally means someone who's of Arabian origin...
I identify as an Etruscan, and I demand the return of the entire Italian Peninsula to us.
I think I can have a piece of land in many parts of the world just by following my ancestry haha... I am sure there is a holy book or scriptures of every single culture I belong to saying that they were the chosen children of their respective land.
That's why "colonialism" is a soft word that doesn't reflect the crimes that have occurred in recent history. Ancient civilizations united peoples from the same CULTURAL SPHERE, but there was no ethnic genocide (except perhaps the change in language replacement) and nor did they intend to dominate the entire world.
What offends me is that these people are smart, they know the history but they choose to ignore it, misdirect it or completely omit it. Maybe they think they can escape the history, maybe they are indoctrined to be this way.
The last guy said they took Israel in 1948 without any violence, paid for the land,… he’s smart, he must know that thousands were murdered and chased away.
@@_filifjonkan4290Zionism is a mental illness that infects their society
They know they are wrong and don't want to admit it. It was precisely these types of double-faced actions that brought them to their doom in the past, according to the Torah.
The basic answer is that might-makes-right. Every single people has conquered their land. The arabs living in Egypt conquered their land. The Poles living in Poland conquered their land. The Turks living in Turkey conquered their land. The Australians living in Australia conquered their land.
This is the truth of the world and it's the truth with Israel. Even the Italians could rationalize their conquest so they would simply have to be beaten. Were the jews wrong for taking the Levant? Maybe. But the jews can also rationalize it by saying that there was no country there, or that the UN gave them their country and they were simply defending themselves. You can rationalize everything with enough spin on your arguments, but it ultimately comes down to who has the bigger weapon, and many people in this video came to that conclusion.
I identify as a Roman and I want my land back
I, as a descendant of the Greeks, Mamluks and Genoese, agree. I have more rights from different blood lines than Jews. I can prove it with a DNA test 😁✌
@user-ul9wy8fi9n Fun fact, DNA testing is banned in isr aHELL coz DNA testing will reveal that most isr aHELLis are European immigrants 😆
I identify as neanderthal and I want the earth back.
@@user-ul9wy8fi9n then you go to test lab with biggest database, you might be family from native indians too, so lots of land to grab back
I identify as Cleopatra 👸
I want Egypt back 🗿
I love how his argument that they created something better than what came before was literally the Romans justification for conquering 😅
South Africa used it as well, in the 1970s and 1980s, to justify their apartheid. Coincidence?
@@jlg4ever yeah, it's a good reason
Yeah, it's a good reason
every conqueror argument
The question itself is absurdly stupid.
The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy,
The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria,
The Babylonians to Babylon,
The Greeks to Greece,
The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula,
And the Bitish to Great Britain.
The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland.
There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel.
But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign.
And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire.
Which makes all of them colonizers.
The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world.
And who all these different people colonized?
The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
The first guy had his whole world rocked by that first question
Actually the Romans ruled the region for over 600 years. The Byzantine Era began when Constantinople became the ruling seat of power and continued Roman rule for another 300 plus years. Though Rome was no longer the capital they still regarded themselves as Romans.
The Kingdom of Israel and the later Kingdom of Judah, altogether lasted around 500 years. So the Romans actually ruled the land longer than the Jews.
@@chunhaylee
You know who ruled these lands even longer than the Romans? Ancient Egyptians and Assyrians ~3000 - 1500 BC.
And the Jewish Empire did not last beyond two kings haha
_"I would fight them!"_
_"So what is the difference from the Palestinian point of view?"_
_"It's the same.. I understood the comparison... that's left-wing propaganda!"_
It's like the dude had a sudden stroke of cognitive dissonance mid-sentence.
Israelis never thought it's their "right" to take the land back...israelis fought hard to get the land back in only defensive wars that were started against them. If anything the question should literally be turned upside down towards palestinians and ask them why they think land that was once there's should just be given back to them? Wars happen, it's not pretty, people conquer, Israel won. There was no "it's our right so therefore it's ours". Nah...there were always Jews there, more Jews came in from all around the world legally in the British empire times. And in 1948 all the arab countries tried to destroy them, and Israel won. I don't understand how people can be mad at that. People are just mad that Jews succeeded in coming back to their land.
@@gshap1258 'People are just mad that Jews succeeded in coming back to their land.'
No, people are disgusted that a nation clinging to memories of genocide hides their own collective abuses behind the world's sympathy for that genocide, and that, overall, Israelis have the same attitude toward Palestinians that Americans had against Indians 100 years ago.
@@tonyedwards6073 We aren't clinging to memories of genocide at all. We are a strong and successful nation that promotes freedom of sexuality, religion, women's rights and democracy in the middle east. Palestinian israelis have the best life any Arab can have on this earth and they'll tell you that first handed.
@@tonyedwards6073 Except you're wrong cus we kept most the palestinians hear to stay while america killed off most the Indians. Palestinians are literally 25% of Israeli citizens. You have no place to talk.
@@gshap1258 _"Israelis never thought it's their right to take the land back"_
You are commenting under a video where Israelis are interviewed saying exactly that.
You even end your own comment with:
_"Jews succeeded in coming back to their land."_
Maybe consider the proper context, and collect your thoughts before going off to hasbara story-time.
"There was nothing here before..."
Same mentality as the European colonizers who claimed there was nothing in the Americas before they arrived.
Completely different
@@ScouserLegend Nope.
That’s the exact language the British used when they colonised Australia. They deemed it ‘Terra Nullius’-“no-one’s land” because the Indigenous Australians didn’t build anything and the land was largely uncultivated.
@@jonbartolo8067 Exactly.
can't get it in my head why it's so difficult for ppl to accept the atrocities "their" culture has done to others. ofc what europeans did in all of the americas was a major breach of human rights, same with what happened in asia and africa. it only makes you look like a serious ass and stupid if you try to deny that. even more so if you dare to critisize others for the same stuff. It's not like you have to accept this behaviour just bc some far, far ancestor of yours did the exact same shitty thing. It may also help you to realize how lucky you are to be part of a culture who exploited the rest of the world for hundreds of years and can now live a comfortable life thanks to that.
imagine you invited a troubled person into your house and helped them , then they started to chase you out of your own house and killed your family, when your fight back, everyone calls you the terrorist.. that's the situation right now in Palestine....
He said..." there was not much here when we came here" , the same the British Said when they took Australia from the indigenous peoples, same with Utah and New Mexico, shame.
This first guy is something else...Can see how he struggles with his thought. He just got caught lying to himself and tries to walk out.
I think he's also just struggling with speaking English
SHLM & HaB (peace & love). The Name of the Creator is Hayah asher Hayah, as what He told Mose (Exodus 3:14), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is a curse to the G-o-d name (Isaiah 65:11-12), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. All followers of the Messiah are to do the 7 appointed times (Leviticus 23), but no more animal sacrifices, following the Crucifixion of the Messiah. We are now of the order of MLK TSDQ (King, righteous), to Whom ABRaHM tithed. Ask the Messiah to be your personal Savior. He is the Atoning Offering for mankind for the remission of sin ( 1 John 2:1-2). He said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). If you believe the Messiah died on the cross, & Resurrected three days later (presenting Himself as First Fruits to the Father), please ask Him to be your Savior. He is the ONLY way to Everlasting Life.
@@justarandompally SHLM & HaB (peace & love). The Name of the Creator is Hayah asher Hayah, as what He told Mose (Exodus 3:14), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is a curse to the G-o-d name (Isaiah 65:11-12), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. All followers of the Messiah are to do the 7 appointed times (Leviticus 23), but no more animal sacrifices, following the Crucifixion of the Messiah. We are now of the order of MLK TSDQ (King, righteous), to Whom ABRaHM tithed. Ask the Messiah to be your personal Savior. He is the Atoning Offering for mankind for the remission of sin ( 1 John 2:1-2). He said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). If you believe the Messiah died on the cross, & Resurrected three days later (presenting Himself as First Fruits to the Father), please ask Him to be your Savior. He is the ONLY way to Everlasting Life.
@@ginarios9442 What? Lol. You realise whatever you tried to write is actually gibberish and not even remotely close to English, right? Even if you remove all the fanaticism
@@justarandompally "For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up, " said Hayah of hosts, "which leaves to them neither root nor branch (Malachi 4:1)." You are without excuse, as I gave you this and other warnings, but you chose to mock the Word of Hayah.
The first guy is the perfect example of the phrase “beating around the bush”.
Seems like this one to me
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His eyes were twitching. He knows there’s something wrong 😏
I love how he keeps saying "if that's what [the palestinians] want" as if they have not wanted this since '48.
He literally said they want to be invaded
Speaking a foreign language like you know how to do, "Tiger" 🐅... Raaarrr.
The second guy is everything. Peace, love and acceptance.. that's all we need.
eh i found him to be a bit insensitive. he basically told the palestinians to take a chill pill
Imagine someone knocks on your door and tells you he used to live there before you did and now you have to leave cause the place rightfully belongs to him.
Israel : i want our land back
World : ok
Italian : *has entered the chat
Mongol : *has entered the chat
I can hear the Skype's pop up chat in my ears.
*the Seljuks have entered the chat
😂💔
Ottoman empire has entered the chat
XD
Basically, we are thieves but don’t dare call us that 😂😂
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Comets and meteors are missles for iblisa?
Sun sets in muddy spring of water and prostrates before alleh ?
@Qasim nonsense, islemic conquests resulted in devastation, which history book u are reading? many good empires and kings were replaced by oppressive jizuya collecting fat pos in all provinces....ever heard about the bloodiest invasions of indea and afrka and caucasus central asia ? oppressive wars by islemic dev ils ...
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@Joe Kangeroo wow that's some colonizer mind set it's scary af
When muslim conqured jerusalem
Uthman did not accept the invite to go to the sinogoge to pray as he feared that sinogouge would be turned into a mosqe but prayed in an open field where now stands a mosque.
Unlike crusaders we did not kill jew or cristians nor evict them...
Jews should learn from their historial their history...their religion golden age was in muslim land under muslim protection.
Judaism now 70 percent secular or reformist(who are more cultural not believe in God many a time)
How much fallen... Tsk tsk
fun fact, in the 19th century some French politicians (among whom, Victor Hugo it saddens me to admit it) used that exact argument to justify French colonisation. The discourse was that France was part of the roman empire and the Roman empire was once in North Africa, so at the end of the day France taking Algeria was just them "RETURNING back to it". Victor Hugo used the analogy of Rome a lot, saying that France should be the new Rome casting the light of civilisation over Africa the same way Rome cast the light of civilisation over Mediterranean territories. It was actually a "progressist" stance on the left side of the political spectrum because other colonialist politicians on the right side of the political spectrum like French minister Jules Ferry believed in race theory and the superiority of the white race and believed it was the right of the superior races to subjugate inferior ones. Victor Hugo was being progressist by saying that there's no super "race" as all humans were created equal but there IS superior civilisations, that the Romans were superior to Berbers and that the French colonisation should be a "mission civilisatrice" = a civilizing mission, so the "Romans of today" (French) should go BACK to Berber territories to civilize Berberians.
The apeal for the idea of French people being Roman descendants and going back to their old lands in Africa became popular with the release of the novel "Salambo" by french writer Gustave Flaubert which tells the story of a romance taking place in Cartagena at the time of the Roman Empire. With the popularity of the book came a curiosity and fascination for North Africa and Cartagena which was in what is now Tunisia, so the fandom of this book became very eager at the idea of "taking back" those places.
I imagine that a lot of these fans wanted to go there for the same reasons that nowadays some people want to go to Korea to visit the setting of their favorite Korean TV series. And thinking that on top of that they had some sort of ancestral legitimacy to the land made them go full colonization supporters.
And what's wrong with that? France improved water sanitation in North Africa. Anticolonialism is evil, civilizations always spread.
Explain how any of this is immoral. And why Algerians decided to move right back to France to enjoy their standard of life.
This video it's 5 years ago, and the topic has been relevant since decades ago and still some people thinks all started on October 7 2023
“I would fight them”
In the back of his head : oh fuck, isn’t that what the Palestinians are doing? Now I have to cover up my shit 😅
lmfao IKR
There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part.
A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. Almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else, or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevidable mean perpetual war.
Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right?
What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
@@pebblepod30 Nice writing style mate! But it's all *Rubbish!*
Israel is a lengthy project of colonial settlement. This project will never become legitimate just because of its length of occupation.
As an example, the British colonialists were kicked out of India after 300 years of colonial rule. So the length of colonial occupation *does NOT legitimize a colonization in any way whatsoever!*
@@lahoreaskari2651
Hello Askari. Look I don' tagree with one of the assumptions in your argument, but are you able to have a respectful interaction (like I did) or are you someone who is committed to the destruction of Israel and you don' have an open mind on it? Because otherwise, there is no point in talking, and Palestine Israel will forever be in perpetual war.
Yes, it is a correct analogy because Jews have been living in Palestine for at least two thousand years continually, including with a state. That isn't so for India & England. It is a historical fact that the Jews are indigenous to the region too.
Also, if the English did as the Turks did, and kicked them out and made their indpendant state, yes it would be the same.
@@lahoreaskari2651
So will you also call for all land invaded by Muslims to be given back to Christians?
Constantinople was a big one.
Or every other country on earth (India one of hundreds, but not england because they didn't settle like in Australia or US)?
Muslims invading India, Or England settling Australia.
Notice how everyone else moved on, except the Palestinians? Same if my country was invaded, settled & we lost.
Same thing.
But I don't because I either use equal standards or I change my mind.
Have you ever changed your mind on this? Hav eyou questioned what you were taught? I used to be pro Palestine/Anti Israel.
Now I am neither, but I insist that acceptance of Israel's existance & no more Palestinian land for there to be peace.
Peace can only happen with sacrificing going back to the past.
I tried to understand why the Israelis claimed the land. Many say that it is historical, that it was given / promised to them. Following this logic, if the Israelis are asked what they think if the Italians claim the land on which the Israelis live, then they no longer agree with their logic. What conclusion can we draw?
The fact that the Palestinians have been living there for so man many centuries and yet these mostly Europeans think they have more right to the land is so ridiculous.
I’ve seen people Americans, British, Australians, polish who call themselves Israelis and people of the Middle East and it’s just so laughable. They have no connection to the Middle East other than moving there or their parents moving there!
Manifest Destiny never stopped going brrrrrr.
It's just going brrrrrr under different labels, for different groups of racial supremacists, at different times.
Realistically, the answer would be that we would need to be consistent with our logic.
So if your logic tree is the indigenous route, the Hebrews/Jews would be the rightful dwellers of the land being pushed out by the Romans.
If your logic tree is might makes right and that the Romans owned the land because they had the strength to push out the Israelites, then Israelis would have the right to the land.
I don’t see any logic that would give Romans/Italians the right to Israel over Israelis today.
@@King_Solomon_the_LibtartRealistically, Jews stole that land from Canaanites and Phoenician Greeks called as Philistines. So "let's go back in history" just doesn't prove anything for the Jewish claim because you are nothing but another invader. Also, the stupid martial law of "strong one is the rightful one" makes it that Russians have the right to invade Ukraine, or Nazis were rightful by committing Holocaust, why ? Because they were and are powerful ?
The only reasonable choice back in 1947 was partitioning the land in a demographically correct way rather than giving 30% population Jewish 55% of total land.
The only reasonable decision right now is all Kibbutzes created after 1967 to be dismantled, post-1967 occupied territories given back to Palestine and an independent state of Palestine to be created.
@@King_Solomon_the_Libtart Yes because your arbitrary construction of the past always favours yourself. We know this, you guys do this all the time. In someone else's book, you should be living under the ocean, for example.
The real answer is that colonialist scum is going to colonize and use whatever vitriolic narrative they want to annihilate common sense. Colonizers pretend that REMOVING people from their homes, is somehow justifiably done to rehome people to what is rightfully theirs. You people always do this. You will never stop doing this. It is just unfortunate that you keep clinging to religions to further your causes. You guys did it with Christianity, and now you are doing it with Judaism. And you colonialists will keep clinging onto whatever narrative you can find or misappropriate, for your cause.
As a Norwegian and Viking, I demand Scotland and England. How dare they brexit!
You might have a chance with Orkney tbf
"It depends on if the people who are being conquered want that" 🤔
The instant shame in their eyes and being hesitant while answering the question, understanding where it was ultimately going, says it all
Jews lived in this land before the Romans, so this agrument is actually in favor of Israel
@@iGoogooX The Jewish people as understood today didn’t exist back then. Even genetically modern Jews are very distinct from ancient Israelites. And your argument is predicated on the belief that you have a right to land that you haven’t been on for thousands of years regardless of who else has been living there legitimately since then. I’m an American with German ancestry. If I go to Germany, find my ancestral hometown, and find out an immigrant family is living there, can I kick them out and claim their house for myself?
@@andyrihn1 You as an individual, no, you could never do that today. You as an US soldier after WW2, yes, you could have done that If the US won the war and claimed the land. This has happened so many times historically and shaped the world and it's boarders as we know them today. Also I want to point out that if you're going to use arguments about who was were first, you can't cut the timeline to fit your narrative.
@@andyrihn1 First, Jews lived in so called "Palestine" under the british mandate, along with arabs, it was in control of the british mandate, not arab palestinians. Second, according to your logic, if Israel hold the land for long enough then arabs will have no justification to taking it back again? Nobody claimed their houses, they could live under Israeli control, just like todays arabs living in Israel, they did not flee the country when arab nations declared war on Israel, and they got Israeli citizenship.
@@iGoogooX Herodotus mentions Palestine in the 5th century BC. It makes all the sense in the world to call it Palestine; saying "so called" and putting quotations around it does not change that.
As to your second point: Military historian Edgar O'Ballance writes: "Israeli vans with loudspeakers drove through the streets ordering all the inhabitants to evacuate immediately, and such as were reluctant to leave were forcibly ejected from their homes by the triumphant Israelis whose policy was now openly one of clearing out all the Arab civil population before them."
David Ben-Gurion, Israels first prime minister (before he became prime minister, mind you) wrote the following to what was effectively the precursor to the IDF: "the cleansing of Palestine
remained the prime objective of Plan Dalet." Cleansing. Somebody claimed their houses... Some 250 000 - 300 000 Palestinians fled from what is now Israel in 1948. According to Israeli intelligence themselves: "[...] 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population." SHAI wrote this.
And I need to emphasise, again: the *cleansing* of Palestine
remained the prime objective of Plan Dalet.
Hi! I'm Alexander's descendent, I'd like to have half the world under my leadership please.
Thank you for understanding and have a nice day.
Oh shet!
I’m a dependent of Ghengis Khan, you and I need to have a long talk my friend.
I am descendent dinosaur we brother isnt?😂
@@aldimahmuda 😂
@@revertrevertz5438 yeah, jews surely conquered half the world, just like romans, greeks and mongolians (who conquered wast areas of steppe), it's totally the same...
I like the first guy - you can hear his voice falter, the tremor indicates he has a conscience and can see the ludicrousness of his argument.
Lol, the second guy literally says, " we came from all over the world, we have a claim everywhere in the world."
Listen to his answer again. He's making the point that it would be ludicrous for them to make claims all over the world. We have to accept that Israelis and Palestinians live there now, there's no undoing that, so they need to learn to live together.
"Better the Italians than the Palestinians"
"Why?"
"I want to live in Italy"
🤣🤣🤣
I am begging u take theeeem
@@emanrayan560 You misunderstand. He is saying he would happily live in Italian occupied promised land.
@@emanrayan560 But don't worry. It won't be the Italians. It will be America. We will set the land free for all people who will live under the rule of law.
@@adamappell1212 the rule of law isn’t even followed in the US. -.-
@@TheContinens What? Are you referring to citizens? Of course people break laws. The rule of law was not created because people are enlightened creatures shooting rainbows out of their asses. The rule of law is the righteous mechanism for a population to set it's societal standards and enforce them. Even religions have the rule of law principle. There is no other way for an advanced society to exist.
Many of these people who answered this question used a lot of mental gymnastics to convince themselves of their own right to be there, while simultaneously condemning others for the same action. This is called hypocrisy, people. The world is boiling over with it.
the world chooses to ignore history. If the Romans conquered the land from the Jews then it means that the Jews lived there way before 1948 and almost a millennia before Islam was even created.
@@madcatter1 🤣
@@punkleruckus I see you agree with me
The vast majority of countries are predicated on violence. How could you possibly think that is not the case? Arbitrary lines drawn from warfare, and if you think that only Europeans engaged in this than you have a very selective perception of history. Jews tried to be peaceful and not claim land through violence for thousands of years. Could you tell me how that worked out for them? Yes, not very well if you cast your mind back to the past millennia
Yeah,
Their audacity and arrogance are unbearable
“It doesn’t make sense in any modern reality” oh you say? That’s what we have been saying!
Such feeble answers
"Let's forget about the past"
"We came and built stuff"
Let me take your house, renovate it and claim it as mine now because "I built stuff"
Will they get back their land in Iran or all Arab countries from where they were expelled .
If yes , then let it be .
This migration wont work in one direction only
@@OP-el8qg of course we will let them go whee they came from here in Morocco a lot of Jews we living why did they leave ? Was it because of discrimination? Of poverty ? Of war ? No it was politics.
@@fodk7021 what make you think that anti - Zionist politics will stop once they return back to homeland .
Isn't it the same politics which made them to go to Isreal .
Jews are not safe in Canada or European countries now due to Islamisation of Europe and the inherent anti Jewish in Islam is making them unsafe , they have to migrate even from Europe .
And you are assuring them they will be safe in Moraco , that assurance of safety is just empty words and nothing else , you even know that
@@OP-el8qg well they were living here in peace now that they started a war I don't think they will be safe anywhere even in their actual land.
@@fodk7021 thanks for accepting that Jewish are not safe due to current war .
But was this war also the reason in older time even when Isreal as state didint exist , in Arabia during Mohammed time when when they were expelled from there
He started stuttering when the tables were turned… pretty much shows his allegiance to ignorance
the propaganda and brainwashing is unreal in that country
The question itself is absurdly stupid.
The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy,
The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria,
The Babylonians to Babylon,
The Greeks to Greece,
The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula,
And the Bitish to Great Britain.
The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland.
There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel.
But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign.
And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire.
Which makes all of them colonizers.
The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world.
And who all these different people colonized?
The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
The analogy is fallacious at so many levels and it's incredible there is no highly upvoted comment to explain the vast differences between the situations.
Let's delve into the contrasts between "Romans" wanting their land back and Jews.
1. There has always been a Jewish presence in the land known today as Israel, in fact you can look at census data along the centuries much before the Zionist movement and you'll see that the Jewish population comprised a significant part of Jerusalem's population, as an example. There is no such modern-day "Roman" population that has lived here for centuries/millenia.
2. There has always been a religious/cultural connection to the land of Israel and specifically Zion, which appears in the Old Testament 152 times as a title of Jerusalem. As an example, the theme of Zion and Jerusalem runs through Jewish wedding rituals as a symbolic tie between the couple's new union and the history/destiny of the Jewish people. There is no such religious/cultural connection for the modern-day "Romans".
3. The goal of Zionism was to reestablish a Jewish nation in Palestine through legal settlement and international support for a Jewish homeland. This is different than a desire to militarily recolonize a lost province, which is more akin to Roman ambitions and the analogy being made. The governing body, then the British Mandate, made the Balfour declaration, for example, in support of this cause. It is also known that Jewish organizations bought land legally to settle in.
4. As an extension of point 3, there were many attempts at coming to a peaceful resolution and agreement with the Arab Palestinian population several times, such as the Peel Commission in 1936, 12 years before the independence of Israel and several years before the Holocaust, 1947 UN partition plan and many times later. So the intent of trying to peacefully resolve the dispute was attempted, once again much differently to modern-day Italians attempting to conquer Israel by force.
5. The illegal immigration that did happen under the British Mandate was mostly due to the Holocaust and Jewish people trying to save themselves. This was an enormous tragedy that cannot be compared to simply "wanting a land" on a whim. A lot of the immigration between the 40s-70s was also by 800,000 Jews that were ethnically cleansed from Arab states.
So in summary, this analogy may seem logical to one-sided or ignorant people who don't know too much about the history of the region and the conflict, but falls apart upon quite basic analysis.
@corye well done ... your work is blessed
It appears the smartest man in the Middle East is a pizza delivery guy for Domino's pizza. Bravo to him! I hope that now, six years later, he is doing well.
1. Clearly these ppl have been fed a story since childhood
2. They struggle with the words and eyes; when truth seems hard to accept
These people has been fed stories since generations ago.
I mean, God’s Realtor Services came down and leased these lands in perpetuity?
Plus they don’t struggle with the words, they struggle to justify their position.
Reminds me of north koreans
@@raffyc66 but an other people treated as an ethnicity with origins in a certain region are welcome to go back to their lands (slaves after the US civil war)
Edit: obviously two completely different situations, but nevertheless completely different reactions by the locals to the returning people.
Same here in Ireland, up north. Its sad.
a little analysis based on your own narrative. You cannot believe your story is more 'true' because ultimately, it's still just a story. The question remains, are you willing to sacrifice yourself and your family for your 'story'?
Their mouth can't say the truth their eyes can't see the reality their hearts have no mercy
True
Give Pakistan back to India and send all their Muslims back to where, Mecca?
palestin,israel n india belomg to dinosour..so get out from their
@@healruqya4277 lmao hahahaha
You can see their eyes shaking whenever they want to lie.
What if the Canaanites, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans all wanted their land back?
THAT was a GREAT question!
What if the Iranians/PERSIANS wanted their land back??? Oh boy.
Ciaron Smith hahaha peace to all of Middle East, some of Asia and some of Europe
What if the Mongols wanted their land back? Oh shit
Or the mongolians
What if the Aryans wanted their ancestral land back... unimaginable. Ends all questions and answers all conflicts.
Or the ottomans 😂
Trying to put a straight face when deep down they know its full of denial...
@HIghland
There were people in Palestine before Jews. The Jews weren’t the first to live there.
@HIghland stop copy pasting
@HIghland lmao. I don't know you people start inventing your own history😂😂
@HIghland Stop lying. Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years themselves even if they weren't called palestinianes. Jews werent even the first people of that land.
@HIghland what in the world are you living in
4:38
DOUBLE STANDARDS
He say we take the land because they where some Jews living here THOUSANDS of years ago
And then,
He say let's forget what happens just 70 years ago and Palestinians can't take-back their land now !?
Speechless!?!?!?
Great video!!! And exactly what f'ing right did the British have to decide that for the Jews and Palestinians??? So, as an "American", I say, the Native Americans have the right to get their land back which was stolen from them...and for that matter, the British have the "right" to the east coast of the U.S. since it was "theirs" before ours...but wait, then, the Native Americans would have a claim against the U.K...and while we are on the subject, Mexico has the right to Texas, and all the other land that was stolen from them...hmmm, interesting question...
A lot of them can't look straight into the camera to give their responses becuase they know no matter how its worded- what is occurring is just theft.
@@franklinQR and isreal means greedy in latin....
@@franklinQR You would have taken the land and trampled others even if there was no history of Jews living in Palestine and there was no book stating that some being has promised you this land if you had the power to do so. You wanted a state for Jews and liked the idea of taking Palestine because it made some of you be able to justify it for yourself and the British made it available for you. It doesn't matter that some people took land from some other people many many years ago, they did wrong and you did the same thing, killed and drove people away to take the land for yourself. Now people on both sides are loosing their lives and living in fear because of it. This history excuse is like someone killing another because his great grandfather killed his great grandfather.
It's because they're looking at the questioner's eyes. Maybe you should have a more intelligent critique instead of sounding like an emotional buffoon.
@@AtTheEast18Actually, many were not looking at the gentleman asking the questions. Again, there is a reason for that, especially when one is asked a hard question and is trying to do their best to word the response in a manner that doesn't seem sociopathic or genocidal. Sounds like you're triggered by the acknowledgement of that reality. Sounds like you're the ONLY buffoon. Go have a seat!
it's not theft it's rubbery and massacre.
To the one who said to the Palestinians who want to return “look at the future and build where you are already”
Why don’t you say that to thousands of Jewish people emigrating to Israel every year?
No shit.
Hey dumb ass if you didn't know, israel is the one country that pushes for massive migration into Europe but not into israel, they infact believe to usher in biblical prophetic end time events and actively want christianity and the west destroyed to obtain this goal
@@Rokmononov He says it about a country who selectively allows/encourages people of a particular religion to immigrate. What other country on earth says that only people of a specific religion can be given citizenship. Not even the Islamic theocracies of the gulf provide citizenship to people based on religion. Israel is alone in this sense
Or tell them (Israelis) to go back to their native countries in Europe and rebuild there...
@ཏྦཱལ་ག་པོ། my claim to the land? I make no claim to that land at all. As to black Jews though, thats a very American thing. There are a few old Jewish tribes still in Africa, but I don't know how inclined they are to leave their ancestral homelands to go to Palestine for nothing in particular.
As a Roman, I want the land of our Grands back.
As a muslim I want Spain back because it was our country
That is not happening.
I'm fascinated by the amount of shame these people haven thrown upon themselves by accepting to answer these questions without even noticing. I'm gonna watch this video again.
😂😂
LMAO
Romans weren't persecuted for 2000 years forcing them into a situation where they needed their own state to defend themselves
"if I don't steal your house, someone else is going to steal it"- Yaqub, Israeli settler, 2021
it wasnt worded well...
Can't wait to try that argument if l ever get pulled over driving someone else's car that was reported stolen just a couple of nights earlier.
@@tmak4699 lol I think it was worded well by that Israeli settler since he came from the US🤔
No way was his name actually Yaqub xD
Maybe his name is Jacob
The first guy got so flustered he stopped being able to speak a full sentence lolol
Professor Eric Fromm, Jewish writer: "If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse." - Jewish Newsletter, Feb. 9, 1959
Which is why the Jews didn't embrace Zionism until the rise of fascism. It proved necessary.
@bob smith Jews were not exactly just “affected by a dictatorship” you realize?
@@JohnJE123 From Noam Chomsky's Fateful Triangle (pg.91): "President Wilson's King-Crane Commission reported in 1919 that "the Zionists look forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine" and estimated that the latter - "nearly nine-tenths of the whole - are emphatically against the Zionist programme." The Commission warned that to subject them to this program "would be a gross violation of the principle of self-determination, and of the people's rights..." The Commission, while expressing "a deep sense of sympathy for the Jewish cause," recommended limitation of Jewish immigration and abandonment of the goal of a Jewish state." This conclusion, Chomsky notes, was disregarded by the great powers, including the U.S.
As an African I'm deeply offended, although not surprised by this quotation.
#Disgusting
@bob smith Show me how your community is persecuted in your diaspora, in practically every corner of the world, then we'll talk.
I'm from the Netherlands and I want New York back! #newamsterdamforever
@Shafigh Khalili I don't know if y'all got enough left to fill it but go on
New Amsterdam*
As an American I support the Dutchmans claim to New York. In fact you can take New Jersey too!
I am from spain and I want the Netherlands back!
As a native new yorker take it in blood lol
Why don't we go back to how the land was after the Great Flood during Noah?
Love ur work this is amazing.❤❤❤
I think some of them left their common senses in their homeland.
They should go back to claim it!
Nice
Yea man, it is sad that no matter how intellectual and educated someone is, he still can be blinded by his own ideology
Lol 😆
@HIghland I think you think history is a joke.
Their god promised them a land not a common sense. 😂
The first guy set a trap for himself and then was all over the place when he was asked a very simple question like :" wait a second, palestenians never accepted you coming here either! "
its a very easy question to answer. 1. it was legally given to them by the British who were the last to conquer it. 2. if we are going back in history, jews had an independent state before the Romans too.
The question itself is absurdly stupid.
The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy,
The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria,
The Babylonians to Babylon,
The Greeks to Greece,
The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula,
And the Bitish to Great Britain.
The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland.
There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel.
But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign.
And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire.
Which makes all of them colonizers.
The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world.
And who all these different people colonized?
The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
@@magnumopus1628 ya say even if the palestinians were there before 1948 which isnt true since the arabs werent the only ones living there, Jews were there too for all the years, but say the palestinians were there before the Jews in 1948, The Jews were there before them. So why do we only go back 70 years? Did history end once palestinians theoretically claimed the land? Why then did they only stat calling themselves that name in the late 1960's?
@@menachr its funny that everyone seems to forget that history went way back before only 70 years ago. Besides why cant anyone name a palestinian king or president who ruled "palestine"? When did they ever rule the land?
My god I got second hand embarrassment watching that first guy stutter in cognitive dissonance lmao 😂 bruh show this shit to Netanyahu and his people 😂😂😂
In a secular West, when the term "gods promise" is used. Understand that it's just for convenience.
"We are strong." - Says the guy being pushed in a wheelchair.
If that isn't the most perfect metaphor for Israel I don't know what is.
Without U.S. military backing Israel could not exist.
So irony right. Feel so arrogant while on wheelchair
Yes, but Zionists hold the US by their financial balls.
well actually the USA never fought for israel. Do you know for whom the fought thou kuwait. Do you know where the USA is not having any navalbases nor military airports? yes in Israel! do you know where they have lots of them? in Quatar. Jordan, Irak, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Turkey.
Do you know alongsite whom the USA fought in the middle east so far ? Kuwait, Saudi Arabi, UAE,
Do you know alongsite whom they not fought with their own troops? Israel.
So there is almost no country in the middleeast that is more capable of standing on its own.
Israel has close ties to the US both economicaly first and foremost, but also in military industry.
BUT unlike countries like Saudi Arabia or Irak, Israel is doin its own development own recruitment and Training. The current Iraki Army basically is 100 percent geared up with american vehicles and weapons.
The Israelis are building their own tanks, rifles, Drones, using German Submarines, buying Us fighterjets, and buidling their own rocket defense.
So saying israel would only exist because of the USA is straight out bullshit.
Btw israel has Nuklear weapons just saying.
Us aid is forced on us not a choice. If they can get away with murdering us naval officers they can do anything to usa. Google uss liberty
@@Mustafa2892 The USA is litteraly the strongest Military might on earth, Both the USA and Israel are agreeing that the USS Liberty incident was a cause of friendly fire. Sure you can make conspiracy theories all day long, if you want to.
People will justify literally anything to fit their misdeeds. Illogical and evil.
@@eidenmc Israel has murdered innocent people in the thousands, waaaayy more than what Hammas has lol Many of us are done with the fact that our country sends Israel so much foreign aid, I say it's time to stop supporting that little welfare murderous place
It isn't illogical or evil now to move on today, in many, many things in life you can't go back to the past without a lot of new evil, isn't that the truth in your own life & many social issues?
Do you really want to live in a world where we all would hang on to the past & try to go back to the past, no matter the war that results?
There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part.
A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. Almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else, or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevidable mean perpetual war.
Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right?
What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
Likewise, if you steal a house from me, and then your grandchild is born in it, would I teach my grandchild to seek your destruction & destroy you to get "their" house back? Or better to just live in peace & forgive ME for teaching my grandchild that?
Which one is a better outcome for the next generation? A commitment to going back to the past & destruction & war, or excepting that their grandfather lost, and living in peace instead?
Which one would you teach your grandchild?
@@eidenmc where's your proof for so called "human shields"?
@@eidenmc you must be either american, israelite, or indian. You assumed you know so much what's going on with what the western media potrays.
The amount of delusional thoughts to deflect any accountability is out of this world
This is the beauty of asking a hypothetical question. Hypocrisy is a great educator, if only we would learn from it.
"Palestinians didn't build this land, therefore it's mine".
Well then, I guess it's time for me to stake my claim in a whole lotta empty US states. I think I'll start with Wyoming?
Alaska is empty too
@@sumerrana6805
Alaska?
BTW, I'm a mosquito repellent lotion salesman. Call me when you need my product.
I’ll be at your service my king, Wyoming is yours
It really worked this way at some point, less so the US but a lot in Australia.
You can try if you want. But no one will recognize your state because you have no power. And if you did manage to gain enough power to gain recognition, then the US military would come and fuck you up for attempting to colonize their sovereign land. And guess what, if you somehow beat the US military and they failed to retake the territory, then you would have your own country! Because on a global scale, tehre are no "land ownership" laws. Land can only be conquered or controlled.
I love how they know why this question is being asked yet they still try to beat around the bush with a bunch of nonsense. This video deserves more attention. FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Its kind of a stupid question tho, as romans conquered israel, whereas the jews were native on the land and expelled
Romans conquered the land, jewish did gradual inmigration (allowed by the british) and then the conflict started, is a very different situation
@Ararune well, palestine was in fact under british rule before 1948. When they left jews were already living there rightfully as inmigrants
There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part.
A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. Almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevitable mean perpetual war.
Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right?
What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
@@fede1324ee
More likely them kosher deceptacon hex-nuts infiltraited and subverted the roman empire --- like they do anywhere that has forgotten history .
So why would the (UN) holy roman empire (now the billionaire bankster pedophile preistclass rothschild secret Lucifarian devilopers cult) want to reposses what they already own ?
Pesky unruly indigenous peoples are always in their way .
@Ararune
That's just how crafty canaanites roll ...
Thanks for keeping it real. No propagand, no bs. Real people, real views. No matter if their right or wrong good or bad .
Asking Israelis loaded questions that necessitate acknowledgment of their actions, Brilliant.
My brain cells shivered up and vanished as the first guy kept talking
😂😂😂😂 same
@HIghland the f u talking about they have no right
@HIghland and Yasser Arafat ❤️ defending them is heroic
@HIghland why are you copy pasting this comment everywhere?
@HIghland omg lollll u know nothinnnng
just imagine if some stranger come to your house and tell you to leave coz that house belong to his ancestor a millenia ago based on his family record
Yeah, America would lose 98% of it's population.
The word your looking for is reparations ...
@@Nia979 meaning?
@@nandarizki5475 Meaning based on family records as you stated .. they could prove that the land was in fact still theirs and has to be returned back or has to be paid for by current people who now own the land. That’s what AAs are asking for due to building an entire country for free. NAs because the land was completely stolen from them.
@@Nia979 what prove and who release that prove?
6:09 Guy in glasses: If you dont develop high tech, you deserve to be expelled and die.
Arab: what if I don't want high tech? Im happy with my life!
Guy in glasses: Yes you do!!! Die!!!!
When you figure out your country is just “manifest destiny” with extra fine print
I'm from Ireland.
Our history teaches us of the 800 years of oppression that my ancestors were subjected to, it's not nice.
Because of that knowledge, I understand the torment Palestinian's face every day, people don't just start shooting rockets over a wall because they want to start violence. They are woefully outnumbered and they know that.
They do it because they are been treated as sub-human, locked in a prison by an oppressor.
If I lived on the west bank right now, I would be doing the same thing. Everyone has the right to live their lives, would you fight for your freedom too?
I am Irish too. land belongs to Jews as Jews build Temple Mount where King Solomon Temple was , 700 years plus Dome Of rock was built on top of Temple Mount, That proves Jews were there first before the Muslim. Israel offered land up to 70 % to Palestinians 7 times over the course of history but Palestinians refused it as they want 100% of the land. Are they too stupid to see the hard fact in Jerusalem ? Palestinians will have to accept to share the land with Jews whether they liked it or not.
I do think the Palestinians are oppressed in some ways, and I have criticisms of Israel. But I also think it is very difficult for people to imagine that other cultures don't share the same core values as theirs. You see rockets and think they must be a sign of oppression, what else could they be? But what oppression led to 9/11? What occupation led to the atrocities of ISIS? What oppression led to the expulsion of almost all Jews from Muslim countries?
It is hard to imagine that a different culture, with different values, would choose rockets over establishing a country. But the Palestinians had several opportunities to establish a country, and they refused. And when Israel left the Gaza Strip, the number of rockets only increased.
@@amitophir
9/11 was an act of terrorism, of course.
Isis 'somehow' gained a lot of popularity and men right after the US dissolved Iraq's army during their violent, unlawful and unjustified war
The expulsion of Jews, while unjustifiable, only happened after 1947 when the Arabs in said countries felt empathy for the Palestinians that were also expulsed from their home (in a very violent manner (Deir Yassin), AND for some illegally).
Lol...9/11 : 5 dancing israelis, isis : exist after USA destroy iraq because of fake wmd accusation, afghanistan got destroyed caused of USA and nato
And what is more shocked is all those invasion comes from the same mastermind which is satanyahu!! He clearly says in media and some video leaked, "9/11 is good news to us", " believe me US should use its army to destroy sadam and iraq" the same thing he said about afghanistan when these satan got asked with usa politician @@amitophir
domino pizza guy was the only human being in this video
Yeah im surprised, he's well versed in the history and have a good grasp of reality. He do be livin'
No he was ill informed and ignorant. He just came across well.
Yeah sadly its very rare to see a human being in Israel....
What about the Aboriginals, the Maori, the different Indian tribes in USA etc etc. Fact is that the Palestinian people lived for centuries in this land. They where kicked out in 1948, and this is still ongoing with the Israeli settlers occupying illegally land chasing away Palestinian people from their homes and their olive trees. Its beyond any discussion that the attack in October was brutal and criminal. Nothing can justify this. On the other hand, the world seems to forget about the Palestinian people and the fact that settlers are continuing to kick them out of their family homes. So maybe this act of violence was a cry for help, like an act of suicide which is also an ultimate cry for help.
Spot on. Exactly what oct 7th was. A last ditch effort to stop normalisation of ties between the Arabs and israel. Time will tell if it has worked. But the world’s citizens are certainly paying more attention then ever.
I'm Italian and I think its a great idea! We'll all get along and have a great big pizza party. 🍕🎉
He talks about how Palestine doesn’t diversify quote they just destroy but how on earth can the build anything when you turn them into specks and close all access to the world for them tf
Yes agree..there restricted all movement..resource..that their frutifull land...how can they develop as county.
Ask yourself, why does Israel restrict access?
"You shall not covet your neighbour’s house" - Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), 1500 BC
"If I don't steal your home, someone else gonna steal it" - Yaakob, A Jewish settler, 2021 AD
I mean...dudes not wrong. Are people purposely lacking brain cells on this? What he's saying is that if he didn't buy that house someone else would have, so basically you're accosting a dude for legally purchasing a property instead of getting mad at the system that allowed him to do it.
@@trollnerd Don't know if you're trolling. There's also something as having moral standards and not doing something because it's an opportunity for you and others. This is exactly what's wrong with the world...
@@BlissetEris your ilk lost their right to claim the moral high ground when you started justifying Hamas firing rockets at Tel Aviv and Beersheba in response to something happening in Jerusalem
@@trollnerd I never justified them liar, I just said many times what was the reason for those rockets... your arguments are weak. Stating a reason doesn't mean justifying that reason, dishonest ad hominem. I dear you to quote me where I did justify bombings!? And even when I did justify them, which I didn't, that still doesn't make it right to steal people's homes because others can. What's wrong with you? Taking my words out of context and deflecting the subject doesn't mean you are right, ... I'm pretty sure you're the person that would call Israel their bombing being self defense, hypocrite. And did you really use search engines to try and find dirt on me so you can use a tu quoque falacy? It's really telling how dishonest you are... How much does Netanyahu pay you to be his zionbot?
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What a fair question from a fair man!
It's actually a good question to many nations. For example, after WW2 Poland annexed German territories, some of which were Germanic for over 700 years. But Stalin wanted to get some territories from Poland (parts of Ukraine and Lithuania) and in return, he 'offered' Eastern German Provinces and colonies to Poland. It created the greatest ethnic cleansing and migrations in Europe since WW2. Scattered families and suppressed or destroyed what was left. Poles still believe the annexed territory like Upper Silesia is Polish in any sense. Well, it is not - it is German in its core, just belonging to Poland for 78 years. But how much pain it inflicts, it's crazy and unfair.
To be fair, all these people, this is what they've been told since childhood. They are clever enough to understand where the question goes. It's just hard to confront what they believe as rightous. Great interview!
That's not an excuse. Everyone is brainwashed to a certain degree but you grow and educate yourself with an open mind and open heart.
@@robbb416 Everyone has bias, but not everyone is subjected to indoctrination. Remember that Israel has Service by Requirement; almost all Israelis serve in the military and go through boot camp. When everyone you know: your teachers, your politicians, your parents, all grow up in a society that considers all push back "Left Wing Propaganda" or "Muslim Propaganda", most people fall in line. When politicians who say the most milquetoast of takes (like Palestinians deserve Human Rights) end up assassinated, it puts a healthy fear of being the voice that stands out.
@@cf3714 i agree with everything your saying but every single debate i see online seems to forget that both sides are ideologically driven against eachother. Israel and Palestine both contribute to the conflict, the only reason everyone is supporting Palestine is because they are losing.
@@matthewbaptist2670 Well one side is engaging in Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing, and the other gets Bombed, Starved, and Dehumanized. Kinda easy to see why people who read up on the situation side with Palestine.
You can make the argument that the Palestinians would do the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot, but even if that were true, what Israel is *currently* doing is still wrong.
@@cf3714 whats the alternative? They offer Palestine citizenship and asking them to assimilate. What is the ideal way you suggest they deal with the issue?
That first guy just blatantly contradicted himself and now he's trying to justify it.
Lol 😂
We can take our land back but italians ?? How dare they talk about this !?? Its our land !!
It's worth noting that on the question about Canaanite claims to the land, both Jews and Palestinians are understood to be descended from them. So technically, both Jews and Palestinians have historical claims to the land of Israel-Palestine.
the arab jews not the Immigrants that came from Europe
The guy who says there should be certain timelines on when Palestinians can move back into their land, thinking 1948 was too long ago... really deep thinker, that one.
Dinosaurs want their land back.
The world: oh shet
They were there first GOD GAVE THEM THE LAND. millions of years ago.
@@jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897 no cap only facts
@@jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897 exactly and hating on them is just anti dinotic.
@@evangelesong6319 hahahahah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@evangelesong6319 🤣🤣🤣
Strange country where a delivery guy is the most reasonable human being.
not indoctrinated by the same extend as the others perhaps?..
You'll find the same in America, believe me
@@jmccann6735 because the average Arab or Palestinian is totally free of brainwashing ...
You are living in a land of ideological possession confirmation bias and echo chamber
This alternate universe is wild.. I don't want to stay.
Why? In your mind are "delivery guys" not capable of rational thought? Elitist
"You need a statute of limiations" says the guy making a claim over land his ancestors supposedly lived on 2,000 years ago.
that delivery guy in 4:49 saying "look at what you have now " is ridiculous .... imagine if the guy interviewing told him can i have your phone? and the guy said sure here you go.... then the interviewer says ok this is my phone now and you should forget about the past and create something new with what you have now.
"We will throw them out."
Yes, that's exactly your attitude.
Yeah fam let's promote baby killing. I mean Israel
@@sebo12345 Arabs prefer to hire kids into armies instead
@@yoshypl9901 dude get a life
@@sebo12345 he’s not wrong 😬
@@justsomeguywithoutamustach9072 yes he is. Israel are the ones with a mandatory IDF service for everyone, that means every young adult is enlisted to fight, so go learn some facts.