Your comment doesn't make sense at all.... People need to think when bombarded with sudden heavy political questions on the street. Everyone would be startled by it. Secondly, the Jews were there long before the Romans or even the Arabs, so do your math who stole from whom here...
@@ClintEastwooodPS3 , No doubt both languages are Semitic languages like most of the languages in the Middle East. That doesn't change the fact that Jews are originated from Judea in Israel, and the Arabs are from Arabia... And no, they don't mean the same thing! The original word for Hebrew is "Ivri". The word Arab in Arabic is "Arabi" which literally means someone who's of Arabian origin...
@@VinnieG-exactly, so by the moment we then conquered the jewish by your logic we should be the last one who should have the right to claim it back ( we don't really want to claim anything back but is just the same thinking process you did)
What if the Roman want their land back today? Israeli: It doesn't make any sense. Palestinian: Then how could it make sense for Israel to claim that it's their land after 2000 years?
@@michaelhansen4300 If i convert do i also become a chosen one? Am i also entitled to a piece of land there if i say im circumcized? HAHHAHHAH braindead morons
"What if the Romans wanted their land back?" is a great question and here is a similar one for Americans: What if the indigenous people of America wanted their land back, and several major world powers supported them with funding and advanced weapons?
Romans were occupiers and not indigenous to Palestine/Israel. Same for Ottomans. But Ottomans were able to retain ownership of their land in many or most cases, even after leaving Palestine. A portion of the land transfer happened through purchase from Ottomans or others. An ottoman or Roman wouldn’t have any claim in such a case.
Not a good comparison to Israel though. All Americans of Native descent get equal rights here. They have the right to vote. They are fully equal in the eyes of the law, both bound and protected by the law, and furthermore, most Americans understand and acknowledge the massive injustice we did to them, and the tribes are recognized, have land, have received settlements for the US's failure to comply with our treaties, and they enjoy significant federal benefits. None of this can be said about the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza--and make no mistake, there is, and will be, only one state between the river and the sea--that is Israel, but 5 million of Israel's residents--non-Jewish--have no rights.
But don't they enjoy full rights as Australian citizens, with the right to vote? If not, then that too, would be a major injustice that needs to be fixed.@@jacintagay226
I would support that. cuz fuck the US. The issue with Israel is, the region bordering the east of the mediterrane sea is not the land where the Israelites were indigenous to. Israelites conquered that country just like the Romans conquered that country, because God told them it is the right thing to do. Their indigenous land of the Israelites is actually closer to the region of Iraq and Kuwait. Why they are not settled there anymore is something different to ask. I guess from the scriptures it could be, because they were arrogant pricks to polytheist people in that area and were kicked out.
Actually thought that guy was intending to be fair in his answer... he was tripping up... like most people he probably hasn't thought about these questions much, or at all... and it is challenging.... very challenging to face a lot of this...
No he had a very reasonable view. He was willing to compromise for peace if he could have basic assurance of safety. That's all we can expect from anyone. If Israel were ruled by people like him there would be a lot more progress towards peace and freedom.
That why Israel so afraid to Iran because iranian trying to make nuklir bom, other nation not afraid if Iran making nuk bom, because we don't steal other people land.
@@tedjohnson8319 white people from Europe, they are not jewish, they already mix for thousand year, the real jewish is jewish from middle east their face same like Arab, and not going anywhere, not based on your holy book, because everybody have their own holy book
@@entahhendrayana3145 they are not middle east... that word has an origin... by European. Hebrews were mistaken for Egyptians. Not the arabs there of today either
_"I would fight them!"_ _"So what is the difference from the Palestinian point of view?"_ _"It's the same.. I understood the comparison... that's left-wing propaganda!"_ It's like the dude had a sudden stroke of cognitive dissonance mid-sentence.
Israelis never thought it's their "right" to take the land back...israelis fought hard to get the land back in only defensive wars that were started against them. If anything the question should literally be turned upside down towards palestinians and ask them why they think land that was once there's should just be given back to them? Wars happen, it's not pretty, people conquer, Israel won. There was no "it's our right so therefore it's ours". Nah...there were always Jews there, more Jews came in from all around the world legally in the British empire times. And in 1948 all the arab countries tried to destroy them, and Israel won. I don't understand how people can be mad at that. People are just mad that Jews succeeded in coming back to their land.
@@gshap1258 'People are just mad that Jews succeeded in coming back to their land.' No, people are disgusted that a nation clinging to memories of genocide hides their own collective abuses behind the world's sympathy for that genocide, and that, overall, Israelis have the same attitude toward Palestinians that Americans had against Indians 100 years ago.
@@tonyedwards6073 We aren't clinging to memories of genocide at all. We are a strong and successful nation that promotes freedom of sexuality, religion, women's rights and democracy in the middle east. Palestinian israelis have the best life any Arab can have on this earth and they'll tell you that first handed.
@@tonyedwards6073 Except you're wrong cus we kept most the palestinians hear to stay while america killed off most the Indians. Palestinians are literally 25% of Israeli citizens. You have no place to talk.
@@gshap1258 _"Israelis never thought it's their right to take the land back"_ You are commenting under a video where Israelis are interviewed saying exactly that. You even end your own comment with: _"Jews succeeded in coming back to their land."_ Maybe consider the proper context, and collect your thoughts before going off to hasbara story-time.
SHLM & HaB (peace & love). The Name of the Creator is Hayah asher Hayah, as what He told Mose (Exodus 3:14), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is a curse to the G-o-d name (Isaiah 65:11-12), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. All followers of the Messiah are to do the 7 appointed times (Leviticus 23), but no more animal sacrifices, following the Crucifixion of the Messiah. We are now of the order of MLK TSDQ (King, righteous), to Whom ABRaHM tithed. Ask the Messiah to be your personal Savior. He is the Atoning Offering for mankind for the remission of sin ( 1 John 2:1-2). He said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). If you believe the Messiah died on the cross, & Resurrected three days later (presenting Himself as First Fruits to the Father), please ask Him to be your Savior. He is the ONLY way to Everlasting Life.
@@justarandompally SHLM & HaB (peace & love). The Name of the Creator is Hayah asher Hayah, as what He told Mose (Exodus 3:14), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is a curse to the G-o-d name (Isaiah 65:11-12), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. All followers of the Messiah are to do the 7 appointed times (Leviticus 23), but no more animal sacrifices, following the Crucifixion of the Messiah. We are now of the order of MLK TSDQ (King, righteous), to Whom ABRaHM tithed. Ask the Messiah to be your personal Savior. He is the Atoning Offering for mankind for the remission of sin ( 1 John 2:1-2). He said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). If you believe the Messiah died on the cross, & Resurrected three days later (presenting Himself as First Fruits to the Father), please ask Him to be your Savior. He is the ONLY way to Everlasting Life.
@@ginarios9442 What? Lol. You realise whatever you tried to write is actually gibberish and not even remotely close to English, right? Even if you remove all the fanaticism
@@justarandompally "For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up, " said Hayah of hosts, "which leaves to them neither root nor branch (Malachi 4:1)." You are without excuse, as I gave you this and other warnings, but you chose to mock the Word of Hayah.
Totally false equivalence. Israel was the homeland of the Jewish People. It was just a province of a conquering Roman empire. Hardly the same at all! Israel is and has only ever been the single home of the Jewish People. There's no where else. There are 22 arab countries with a landmass of 13 million km2 compared to Israel's tiny 22 thousand km2.
@@gedaliaw Propaganda at it's highest. Just like the Nazis. If it was their only homeland, why were they migrating from Europe? Their natural homeland for 1000s of years. That was their homeland. Russia was their homeland. The Jewish, Muslim and Christian Palestinians lived in Palestine. You colonial thieves came in from Europe and took it by force.
@@gedaliaw people can't tell what they're looking at when they stand so close. Bottom line is modern Israel was born nearly a century ago, and its not going anywhere. No matter how much the international community whines about it, Israel will defend the Jewish people after 2000+ years of savagery through to Oct 7th. As for the Palestinians, once their leaders accept that fact, the long road to peace can truly begin. Look at Egypt, 40 years without conflict
At least that guy was being honest. I appreciate those who are straight up about it, instead of pretending to be woke liberal-minded folk who care about equality. He was correct - that family is being kicked out of their home regardless. If he doesn’t take it, it won’t go back to the Palestinian family, it will just be given to another Israeli settler.
@@MJW238 this is a stupid ass take LMAO. The right thing to do would be to stand up for the Palestinian family. this was dumb. You’re saying “Oh im gonna take your property forcefully BUT it’s okay cus I told you straight up tho so you can’t argue with me. Gtfo.”
@@GoogooX The Jewish people as understood today didn’t exist back then. Even genetically modern Jews are very distinct from ancient Israelites. And your argument is predicated on the belief that you have a right to land that you haven’t been on for thousands of years regardless of who else has been living there legitimately since then. I’m an American with German ancestry. If I go to Germany, find my ancestral hometown, and find out an immigrant family is living there, can I kick them out and claim their house for myself?
@@andyrihn1 You as an individual, no, you could never do that today. You as an US soldier after WW2, yes, you could have done that If the US won the war and claimed the land. This has happened so many times historically and shaped the world and it's boarders as we know them today. Also I want to point out that if you're going to use arguments about who was were first, you can't cut the timeline to fit your narrative.
@@andyrihn1 First, Jews lived in so called "Palestine" under the british mandate, along with arabs, it was in control of the british mandate, not arab palestinians. Second, according to your logic, if Israel hold the land for long enough then arabs will have no justification to taking it back again? Nobody claimed their houses, they could live under Israeli control, just like todays arabs living in Israel, they did not flee the country when arab nations declared war on Israel, and they got Israeli citizenship.
@@GoogooX Herodotus mentions Palestine in the 5th century BC. It makes all the sense in the world to call it Palestine; saying "so called" and putting quotations around it does not change that. As to your second point: Military historian Edgar O'Ballance writes: "Israeli vans with loudspeakers drove through the streets ordering all the inhabitants to evacuate immediately, and such as were reluctant to leave were forcibly ejected from their homes by the triumphant Israelis whose policy was now openly one of clearing out all the Arab civil population before them." David Ben-Gurion, Israels first prime minister (before he became prime minister, mind you) wrote the following to what was effectively the precursor to the IDF: "the cleansing of Palestine remained the prime objective of Plan Dalet." Cleansing. Somebody claimed their houses... Some 250 000 - 300 000 Palestinians fled from what is now Israel in 1948. According to Israeli intelligence themselves: "[...] 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population." SHAI wrote this. And I need to emphasise, again: the *cleansing* of Palestine remained the prime objective of Plan Dalet.
Israel would crease to exist. Israel is not self sustainable. Unlike the Palestinians, will they like to mock as people who have not changed... For several millennia... Isralis are not acclimated to dessert living.
I'm fascinated by the amount of shame these people haven thrown upon themselves by accepting to answer these questions without even noticing. I'm gonna watch this video again.
@@revertrevertz5438 yeah, jews surely conquered half the world, just like romans, greeks and mongolians (who conquered wast areas of steppe), it's totally the same...
The question itself is absurdly stupid. The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy, The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria, The Babylonians to Babylon, The Greeks to Greece, The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula, And the Bitish to Great Britain. The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland. There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel. But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign. And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire. Which makes all of them colonizers. The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world. And who all these different people colonized? The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
Many of these people who answered this question used a lot of mental gymnastics to convince themselves of their own right to be there, while simultaneously condemning others for the same action. This is called hypocrisy, people. The world is boiling over with it.
the world chooses to ignore history. If the Romans conquered the land from the Jews then it means that the Jews lived there way before 1948 and almost a millennia before Islam was even created.
The vast majority of countries are predicated on violence. How could you possibly think that is not the case? Arbitrary lines drawn from warfare, and if you think that only Europeans engaged in this than you have a very selective perception of history. Jews tried to be peaceful and not claim land through violence for thousands of years. Could you tell me how that worked out for them? Yes, not very well if you cast your mind back to the past millennia
Such feeble answers "Let's forget about the past" "We came and built stuff" Let me take your house, renovate it and claim it as mine now because "I built stuff"
Will they get back their land in Iran or all Arab countries from where they were expelled . If yes , then let it be . This migration wont work in one direction only
@@OP-el8qg of course we will let them go whee they came from here in Morocco a lot of Jews we living why did they leave ? Was it because of discrimination? Of poverty ? Of war ? No it was politics.
@@fodk7021 what make you think that anti - Zionist politics will stop once they return back to homeland . Isn't it the same politics which made them to go to Isreal . Jews are not safe in Canada or European countries now due to Islamisation of Europe and the inherent anti Jewish in Islam is making them unsafe , they have to migrate even from Europe . And you are assuring them they will be safe in Moraco , that assurance of safety is just empty words and nothing else , you even know that
@@fodk7021 thanks for accepting that Jewish are not safe due to current war . But was this war also the reason in older time even when Isreal as state didint exist , in Arabia during Mohammed time when when they were expelled from there
I tried to understand why the Israelis claimed the land. Many say that it is historical, that it was given / promised to them. Following this logic, if the Israelis are asked what they think if the Italians claim the land on which the Israelis live, then they no longer agree with their logic. What conclusion can we draw?
The fact that the Palestinians have been living there for so man many centuries and yet these mostly Europeans think they have more right to the land is so ridiculous. I’ve seen people Americans, British, Australians, polish who call themselves Israelis and people of the Middle East and it’s just so laughable. They have no connection to the Middle East other than moving there or their parents moving there!
Manifest Destiny never stopped going brrrrrr. It's just going brrrrrr under different labels, for different groups of racial supremacists, at different times.
Realistically, the answer would be that we would need to be consistent with our logic. So if your logic tree is the indigenous route, the Hebrews/Jews would be the rightful dwellers of the land being pushed out by the Romans. If your logic tree is might makes right and that the Romans owned the land because they had the strength to push out the Israelites, then Israelis would have the right to the land. I don’t see any logic that would give Romans/Italians the right to Israel over Israelis today.
@@King_Solomon_the_LibtartRealistically, Jews stole that land from Canaanites and Phoenician Greeks called as Philistines. So "let's go back in history" just doesn't prove anything for the Jewish claim because you are nothing but another invader. Also, the stupid martial law of "strong one is the rightful one" makes it that Russians have the right to invade Ukraine, or Nazis were rightful by committing Holocaust, why ? Because they were and are powerful ? The only reasonable choice back in 1947 was partitioning the land in a demographically correct way rather than giving 30% population Jewish 55% of total land. The only reasonable decision right now is all Kibbutzes created after 1967 to be dismantled, post-1967 occupied territories given back to Palestine and an independent state of Palestine to be created.
@@King_Solomon_the_Libtart Yes because your arbitrary construction of the past always favours yourself. We know this, you guys do this all the time. In someone else's book, you should be living under the ocean, for example. The real answer is that colonialist scum is going to colonize and use whatever vitriolic narrative they want to annihilate common sense. Colonizers pretend that REMOVING people from their homes, is somehow justifiably done to rehome people to what is rightfully theirs. You people always do this. You will never stop doing this. It is just unfortunate that you keep clinging to religions to further your causes. You guys did it with Christianity, and now you are doing it with Judaism. And you colonialists will keep clinging onto whatever narrative you can find or misappropriate, for your cause.
I think I can have a piece of land in many parts of the world just by following my ancestry haha... I am sure there is a holy book or scriptures of every single culture I belong to saying that they were the chosen children of their respective land.
That's why "colonialism" is a soft word that doesn't reflect the crimes that have occurred in recent history. Ancient civilizations united peoples from the same CULTURAL SPHERE, but there was no ethnic genocide (except perhaps the change in language replacement) and nor did they intend to dominate the entire world.
The question itself is absurdly stupid. The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy, The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria, The Babylonians to Babylon, The Greeks to Greece, The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula, And the Bitish to Great Britain. The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland. There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel. But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign. And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire. Which makes all of them colonizers. The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world. And who all these different people colonized? The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
The analogy is fallacious at so many levels and it's incredible there is no highly upvoted comment to explain the vast differences between the situations. Let's delve into the contrasts between "Romans" wanting their land back and Jews. 1. There has always been a Jewish presence in the land known today as Israel, in fact you can look at census data along the centuries much before the Zionist movement and you'll see that the Jewish population comprised a significant part of Jerusalem's population, as an example. There is no such modern-day "Roman" population that has lived here for centuries/millenia. 2. There has always been a religious/cultural connection to the land of Israel and specifically Zion, which appears in the Old Testament 152 times as a title of Jerusalem. As an example, the theme of Zion and Jerusalem runs through Jewish wedding rituals as a symbolic tie between the couple's new union and the history/destiny of the Jewish people. There is no such religious/cultural connection for the modern-day "Romans". 3. The goal of Zionism was to reestablish a Jewish nation in Palestine through legal settlement and international support for a Jewish homeland. This is different than a desire to militarily recolonize a lost province, which is more akin to Roman ambitions and the analogy being made. The governing body, then the British Mandate, made the Balfour declaration, for example, in support of this cause. It is also known that Jewish organizations bought land legally to settle in. 4. As an extension of point 3, there were many attempts at coming to a peaceful resolution and agreement with the Arab Palestinian population several times, such as the Peel Commission in 1936, 12 years before the independence of Israel and several years before the Holocaust, 1947 UN partition plan and many times later. So the intent of trying to peacefully resolve the dispute was attempted, once again much differently to modern-day Italians attempting to conquer Israel by force. 5. The illegal immigration that did happen under the British Mandate was mostly due to the Holocaust and Jewish people trying to save themselves. This was an enormous tragedy that cannot be compared to simply "wanting a land" on a whim. A lot of the immigration between the 40s-70s was also by 800,000 Jews that were ethnically cleansed from Arab states. So in summary, this analogy may seem logical to one-sided or ignorant people who don't know too much about the history of the region and the conflict, but falls apart upon quite basic analysis.
These people has been fed stories since generations ago. I mean, God’s Realtor Services came down and leased these lands in perpetuity? Plus they don’t struggle with the words, they struggle to justify their position.
@@raffyc66 but an other people treated as an ethnicity with origins in a certain region are welcome to go back to their lands (slaves after the US civil war) Edit: obviously two completely different situations, but nevertheless completely different reactions by the locals to the returning people.
a little analysis based on your own narrative. You cannot believe your story is more 'true' because ultimately, it's still just a story. The question remains, are you willing to sacrifice yourself and your family for your 'story'?
There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part. A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. Almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else, or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevidable mean perpetual war. Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right? What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
@@pebblepod30 Nice writing style mate! But it's all *Rubbish!* Israel is a lengthy project of colonial settlement. This project will never become legitimate just because of its length of occupation. As an example, the British colonialists were kicked out of India after 300 years of colonial rule. So the length of colonial occupation *does NOT legitimize a colonization in any way whatsoever!*
@@lahoreaskari2651 Hello Askari. Look I don' tagree with one of the assumptions in your argument, but are you able to have a respectful interaction (like I did) or are you someone who is committed to the destruction of Israel and you don' have an open mind on it? Because otherwise, there is no point in talking, and Palestine Israel will forever be in perpetual war. Yes, it is a correct analogy because Jews have been living in Palestine for at least two thousand years continually, including with a state. That isn't so for India & England. It is a historical fact that the Jews are indigenous to the region too. Also, if the English did as the Turks did, and kicked them out and made their indpendant state, yes it would be the same.
@@lahoreaskari2651 So will you also call for all land invaded by Muslims to be given back to Christians? Constantinople was a big one. Or every other country on earth (India one of hundreds, but not england because they didn't settle like in Australia or US)? Muslims invading India, Or England settling Australia. Notice how everyone else moved on, except the Palestinians? Same if my country was invaded, settled & we lost. Same thing. But I don't because I either use equal standards or I change my mind. Have you ever changed your mind on this? Hav eyou questioned what you were taught? I used to be pro Palestine/Anti Israel. Now I am neither, but I insist that acceptance of Israel's existance & no more Palestinian land for there to be peace. Peace can only happen with sacrificing going back to the past.
What offends me is that these people are smart, they know the history but they choose to ignore it, misdirect it or completely omit it. Maybe they think they can escape the history, maybe they are indoctrined to be this way.
The last guy said they took Israel in 1948 without any violence, paid for the land,… he’s smart, he must know that thousands were murdered and chased away.
They know they are wrong and don't want to admit it. It was precisely these types of double-faced actions that brought them to their doom in the past, according to the Torah.
The basic answer is that might-makes-right. Every single people has conquered their land. The arabs living in Egypt conquered their land. The Poles living in Poland conquered their land. The Turks living in Turkey conquered their land. The Australians living in Australia conquered their land. This is the truth of the world and it's the truth with Israel. Even the Italians could rationalize their conquest so they would simply have to be beaten. Were the jews wrong for taking the Levant? Maybe. But the jews can also rationalize it by saying that there was no country there, or that the UN gave them their country and they were simply defending themselves. You can rationalize everything with enough spin on your arguments, but it ultimately comes down to who has the bigger weapon, and many people in this video came to that conclusion.
I, as a descendant of the Greeks, Mamluks and Genoese, agree. I have more rights from different blood lines than Jews. I can prove it with a DNA test 😁✌
He said..." there was not much here when we came here" , the same the British Said when they took Australia from the indigenous peoples, same with Utah and New Mexico, shame.
That’s the exact language the British used when they colonised Australia. They deemed it ‘Terra Nullius’-“no-one’s land” because the Indigenous Australians didn’t build anything and the land was largely uncultivated.
can't get it in my head why it's so difficult for ppl to accept the atrocities "their" culture has done to others. ofc what europeans did in all of the americas was a major breach of human rights, same with what happened in asia and africa. it only makes you look like a serious ass and stupid if you try to deny that. even more so if you dare to critisize others for the same stuff. It's not like you have to accept this behaviour just bc some far, far ancestor of yours did the exact same shitty thing. It may also help you to realize how lucky you are to be part of a culture who exploited the rest of the world for hundreds of years and can now live a comfortable life thanks to that.
The first guy set a trap for himself and then was all over the place when he was asked a very simple question like :" wait a second, palestenians never accepted you coming here either! "
its a very easy question to answer. 1. it was legally given to them by the British who were the last to conquer it. 2. if we are going back in history, jews had an independent state before the Romans too.
The question itself is absurdly stupid. The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy, The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria, The Babylonians to Babylon, The Greeks to Greece, The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula, And the Bitish to Great Britain. The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland. There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel. But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign. And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire. Which makes all of them colonizers. The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world. And who all these different people colonized? The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
@@magnumopus1628 ya say even if the palestinians were there before 1948 which isnt true since the arabs werent the only ones living there, Jews were there too for all the years, but say the palestinians were there before the Jews in 1948, The Jews were there before them. So why do we only go back 70 years? Did history end once palestinians theoretically claimed the land? Why then did they only stat calling themselves that name in the late 1960's?
@@menachr its funny that everyone seems to forget that history went way back before only 70 years ago. Besides why cant anyone name a palestinian king or president who ruled "palestine"? When did they ever rule the land?
Actually the Romans ruled the region for over 600 years. The Byzantine Era began when Constantinople became the ruling seat of power and continued Roman rule for another 300 plus years. Though Rome was no longer the capital they still regarded themselves as Romans.
@HIghland Stop lying. Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years themselves even if they weren't called palestinianes. Jews werent even the first people of that land.
To be fair, all these people, this is what they've been told since childhood. They are clever enough to understand where the question goes. It's just hard to confront what they believe as rightous. Great interview!
@@robbb416 Everyone has bias, but not everyone is subjected to indoctrination. Remember that Israel has Service by Requirement; almost all Israelis serve in the military and go through boot camp. When everyone you know: your teachers, your politicians, your parents, all grow up in a society that considers all push back "Left Wing Propaganda" or "Muslim Propaganda", most people fall in line. When politicians who say the most milquetoast of takes (like Palestinians deserve Human Rights) end up assassinated, it puts a healthy fear of being the voice that stands out.
@@cf3714 i agree with everything your saying but every single debate i see online seems to forget that both sides are ideologically driven against eachother. Israel and Palestine both contribute to the conflict, the only reason everyone is supporting Palestine is because they are losing.
@@matthewbaptist2670 Well one side is engaging in Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing, and the other gets Bombed, Starved, and Dehumanized. Kinda easy to see why people who read up on the situation side with Palestine. You can make the argument that the Palestinians would do the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot, but even if that were true, what Israel is *currently* doing is still wrong.
@@cf3714 whats the alternative? They offer Palestine citizenship and asking them to assimilate. What is the ideal way you suggest they deal with the issue?
@@franklinQR You would have taken the land and trampled others even if there was no history of Jews living in Palestine and there was no book stating that some being has promised you this land if you had the power to do so. You wanted a state for Jews and liked the idea of taking Palestine because it made some of you be able to justify it for yourself and the British made it available for you. It doesn't matter that some people took land from some other people many many years ago, they did wrong and you did the same thing, killed and drove people away to take the land for yourself. Now people on both sides are loosing their lives and living in fear because of it. This history excuse is like someone killing another because his great grandfather killed his great grandfather.
It's because they're looking at the questioner's eyes. Maybe you should have a more intelligent critique instead of sounding like an emotional buffoon.
@@AtTheEast18Actually, many were not looking at the gentleman asking the questions. Again, there is a reason for that, especially when one is asked a hard question and is trying to do their best to word the response in a manner that doesn't seem sociopathic or genocidal. Sounds like you're triggered by the acknowledgement of that reality. Sounds like you're the ONLY buffoon. Go have a seat!
To the one who said to the Palestinians who want to return “look at the future and build where you are already” Why don’t you say that to thousands of Jewish people emigrating to Israel every year?
Hey dumb ass if you didn't know, israel is the one country that pushes for massive migration into Europe but not into israel, they infact believe to usher in biblical prophetic end time events and actively want christianity and the west destroyed to obtain this goal
@@Rokmononov He says it about a country who selectively allows/encourages people of a particular religion to immigrate. What other country on earth says that only people of a specific religion can be given citizenship. Not even the Islamic theocracies of the gulf provide citizenship to people based on religion. Israel is alone in this sense
@ཏྦཱལ་ག་པོ། my claim to the land? I make no claim to that land at all. As to black Jews though, thats a very American thing. There are a few old Jewish tribes still in Africa, but I don't know how inclined they are to leave their ancestral homelands to go to Palestine for nothing in particular.
@@emanrayan560 But don't worry. It won't be the Italians. It will be America. We will set the land free for all people who will live under the rule of law.
@@TheContinens What? Are you referring to citizens? Of course people break laws. The rule of law was not created because people are enlightened creatures shooting rainbows out of their asses. The rule of law is the righteous mechanism for a population to set it's societal standards and enforce them. Even religions have the rule of law principle. There is no other way for an advanced society to exist.
Theres a difference ancient romans already have Italy the jewish people didnt have any land and were a different group inside other countrys and were treated as such. They needed a place of their own and they chose this land because its where they have historic relation to, if they would have chosen any other land they wont belong in it. In israel their culture ties them to the land so it feels like home.
@@soldier6173 so it's fine to push someone else from their land and home I think both groups can live together without stealing someone else land and chase them from their homes.
@@yaseenmeyer8452 The jewish settlers didn't start the war, when they first arrived they bought lands from the locals to settle in or built their own settlements in the empty lands, only after Israel has been announced as a country and got the recognition as one from the rest of the world the Palestinian side decided they desrved more of the land or all and started a war against Israel with the help of ALL the neighboring country allies they had of the arab world, they lost and as a result also lost some lands (because thats how wars are won its not a kill deammatch and whoever reaches the death score first loses). Since then they haven't stopped attempting to recover this land by terror attacks or and daily rocket attacks on civilian citys close to the border (because of limited power, they wish to launch a rocket on a main large city like tel-aviv) and as a result pushs Israel to attack harder in an attempt to stop those attacks making the Palestinians usually lose even more land (fyi they have been offered peace deals but they declined those claiming all of the land belongs to them). The only ones keeping it going is them. (And I dont blame all the population I'm sure atleast some would agree to peace under reasonable terms to both sides but their current leaders are what we actually deal with which won't agree to peace if its not all the land) Sorry for the long essay lol
@@soldier6173 I'm fine with that but what we know you and I is that besides buying the land the settlers and the government is stealing the land. How does anyone feel if your home or land is stolen a person's home is their gem.
@@yaseenmeyer8452 As I said the land that was taken was taken because of war to weaken the enemy and to empower yourself, its simply war which as I said the Israelis didn't start.
Imagine someone knocks on your door and tells you he used to live there before you did and now you have to leave cause the place rightfully belongs to him.
@@nandarizki5475 Meaning based on family records as you stated .. they could prove that the land was in fact still theirs and has to be returned back or has to be paid for by current people who now own the land. That’s what AAs are asking for due to building an entire country for free. NAs because the land was completely stolen from them.
Alleh Baastraad - 7 2 howuris and rivier of alcoohool in jenna Machmad Baastraad - 1 1 wives, no children, peddophile, aiyesha proctitute, cameel pee drianker, buruk fly ing donnkiey rider..... Machmad also marryed his own son zayyad waife zayyanab... Kabba and asba al hajaar vagena stone zaam zaam cameil ureene drainkers Muuuutaah hallalla nikkah proctitues Comets and meteors are missles for iblisa? Sun sets in muddy spring of water and prostrates before alleh ?
@Qasim nonsense, islemic conquests resulted in devastation, which history book u are reading? many good empires and kings were replaced by oppressive jizuya collecting fat pos in all provinces....ever heard about the bloodiest invasions of indea and afrka and caucasus central asia ? oppressive wars by islemic dev ils ...
When muslim conqured jerusalem Uthman did not accept the invite to go to the sinogoge to pray as he feared that sinogouge would be turned into a mosqe but prayed in an open field where now stands a mosque. Unlike crusaders we did not kill jew or cristians nor evict them... Jews should learn from their historial their history...their religion golden age was in muslim land under muslim protection. Judaism now 70 percent secular or reformist(who are more cultural not believe in God many a time) How much fallen... Tsk tsk
"Palestinians didn't build this land, therefore it's mine". Well then, I guess it's time for me to stake my claim in a whole lotta empty US states. I think I'll start with Wyoming?
That argument really hurt to hear when he said that. People said the same thing in the US as an excuse to move forward with things like westward expansion, the trail of tears, genocide of native Americans, and many people even act like we don't exist anymore
Professor Eric Fromm, Jewish writer: "If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse." - Jewish Newsletter, Feb. 9, 1959
@@JohnJE123 From Noam Chomsky's Fateful Triangle (pg.91): "President Wilson's King-Crane Commission reported in 1919 that "the Zionists look forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine" and estimated that the latter - "nearly nine-tenths of the whole - are emphatically against the Zionist programme." The Commission warned that to subject them to this program "would be a gross violation of the principle of self-determination, and of the people's rights..." The Commission, while expressing "a deep sense of sympathy for the Jewish cause," recommended limitation of Jewish immigration and abandonment of the goal of a Jewish state." This conclusion, Chomsky notes, was disregarded by the great powers, including the U.S.
I love how they know why this question is being asked yet they still try to beat around the bush with a bunch of nonsense. This video deserves more attention. FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Its kind of a stupid question tho, as romans conquered israel, whereas the jews were native on the land and expelled Romans conquered the land, jewish did gradual inmigration (allowed by the british) and then the conflict started, is a very different situation
There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part. A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. Almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevitable mean perpetual war. Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right? What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
@@fede1324ee More likely them kosher deceptacon hex-nuts infiltraited and subverted the roman empire --- like they do anywhere that has forgotten history . So why would the (UN) holy roman empire (now the billionaire bankster pedophile preistclass rothschild secret Lucifarian devilopers cult) want to reposses what they already own ? Pesky unruly indigenous peoples are always in their way .
4:38 DOUBLE STANDARDS He say we take the land because they where some Jews living here THOUSANDS of years ago And then, He say let's forget what happens just 70 years ago and Palestinians can't take-back their land now !? Speechless!?!?!?
THANK YOU. As an Italian-American married to an Iranian, I've been asking this question since I was a teenager. I didn't find that anyone could answer it well, especially when you brought up the Canaanites.
They can come and try to take it if they want... also Jews were there before Romans... we have tried to make partition plans with Palestinians but they never agree 🤷♂️
I would answer the Romans that Israel was never their true state since they conquered it from the Jews ("Judah") and called it Palestine after their biggest enemy the Philistines, by the way the name means "invader" / "invaders". And to give a recent example, this is similar to the Nazis calling Israel the state of Hitler. In addition, since Roman rule over the State of Israel, it has only been under the control of other foreign empires, such as the Byzantines, the Ottomans, and the Berets. Then I would remind the "Romans" that the UN divided the country into Jewish and "Roman" but the Romans and their leaders refused and started a war on Israel in order to destroy and failed, and more than once, so called the day of the declaration of the two states (Jewish and Palestinian) "Nakba". Thus, the question in this video is completely wrong historically and factually
I don't see how the question makes any sense since there was already a Jewish state well before the Roman colonisation of the region. The Jewish Kingdom of Judah existed in the 8th century BC and is well attested by archeological records such as the Nimrud tablet, King Ahaz's Seal and the Khirbet Beit Lei inscription. Meanwhile the Roman province of Judea was established in the 1st century AD. Asking what if the Romans decided to reconquer Israel is like asking what if the Macedonians decided to reconquer Iran. The fact that people think this is some kind of gotcha question sadly just goes to demonstrate how woefully little most people know about ancient history, or just history in general.
@Abhishek Mhatre How about the part when he mentioned Canaanites ? Can you share some wisdom on that or you too selectively chose part of the history that suits the agenda ??
@@itamarbeeri3622 Salvation* can be found in no other name under Heaven other than THE NAME of Jesus THE CHRIST/BSHEM *YESHUA* HA MASHIACH. for HE alone IS THE ONLY WAY THE ONLY TRUTH and THE ONLY WAY to Eternal life and no one gets to HASHEM/GOD ecept through HIM. so i only ask all who are here if not already to please choose this day to trust in YESHUA HA MASHIACH that HE died in your place to make atonement for your sins that was seperating you from GOD so that by believing this and trusting in HIM that HE rose from the grave that you too by believing in HIM will one day rise from the dead and have eternal life and be saved from The Terrifying Wrath of HASHEM that is to come to all who reject YESHUA as THE MESSIAH of Israel and SAVIOR of The Whole World that HE rightly, truly IS. i ask please do this so that even today will be your *Day of Salvation*
I to the comments wanting to say the same thing. That Domino's delivery guy was calm and sensible in a way I rarely see anyone discuss this conflict. I hope he's doing well.
@@jmccann6735 because the average Arab or Palestinian is totally free of brainwashing ... You are living in a land of ideological possession confirmation bias and echo chamber
"We are strong." - Says the guy being pushed in a wheelchair. If that isn't the most perfect metaphor for Israel I don't know what is. Without U.S. military backing Israel could not exist.
well actually the USA never fought for israel. Do you know for whom the fought thou kuwait. Do you know where the USA is not having any navalbases nor military airports? yes in Israel! do you know where they have lots of them? in Quatar. Jordan, Irak, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Turkey. Do you know alongsite whom the USA fought in the middle east so far ? Kuwait, Saudi Arabi, UAE, Do you know alongsite whom they not fought with their own troops? Israel. So there is almost no country in the middleeast that is more capable of standing on its own. Israel has close ties to the US both economicaly first and foremost, but also in military industry. BUT unlike countries like Saudi Arabia or Irak, Israel is doin its own development own recruitment and Training. The current Iraki Army basically is 100 percent geared up with american vehicles and weapons. The Israelis are building their own tanks, rifles, Drones, using German Submarines, buying Us fighterjets, and buidling their own rocket defense. So saying israel would only exist because of the USA is straight out bullshit. Btw israel has Nuklear weapons just saying.
@@Mustafa2892 The USA is litteraly the strongest Military might on earth, Both the USA and Israel are agreeing that the USS Liberty incident was a cause of friendly fire. Sure you can make conspiracy theories all day long, if you want to.
First of all, borders are defined by post-war international agreements, and Israel was founded based on the decision of the most important international organization after the Second World War; this organization still exists today and its legitimacy is recognized by the large majority of the countries. Secondly, Romans were occupiers and not indigenous population like Jews, and btw, Jews being indigenous to this land is the major reason of the UN's above mentioned decision.
they are opportunists who came here over the years bro don't buy their bullshit that they are the same people who lived there 2000 years ago and were arabized /isalmized.
He talks about how Palestine doesn’t diversify quote they just destroy but how on earth can the build anything when you turn them into specks and close all access to the world for them tf
What about the Aboriginals, the Maori, the different Indian tribes in USA etc etc. Fact is that the Palestinian people lived for centuries in this land. They where kicked out in 1948, and this is still ongoing with the Israeli settlers occupying illegally land chasing away Palestinian people from their homes and their olive trees. Its beyond any discussion that the attack in October was brutal and criminal. Nothing can justify this. On the other hand, the world seems to forget about the Palestinian people and the fact that settlers are continuing to kick them out of their family homes. So maybe this act of violence was a cry for help, like an act of suicide which is also an ultimate cry for help.
Spot on. Exactly what oct 7th was. A last ditch effort to stop normalisation of ties between the Arabs and israel. Time will tell if it has worked. But the world’s citizens are certainly paying more attention then ever.
@@captainnutsack8151 yeah Jews. Palestinian jews. The Israelis state isn’t represented by native people. It’s jews from all over the world that come together and occupied
@@captainnutsack8151 religious prevalence of a specific time when it was home to some Jewish people amongst others, is a nonsense argument, to evict people who have been there in the centuries since.
@@justsomeguywithoutamustach9072 yes he is. Israel are the ones with a mandatory IDF service for everyone, that means every young adult is enlisted to fight, so go learn some facts.
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It's amazing those that say "They left. They don't have any right. We would fight" but then don't follow that that is the same answer Palestinians have.
What if romans conquer and get it back the land huh?? and then what if Greece wants it back from the romans, what if the Persian wants it back from the Greek, what if Eygyptian wants it back from the Persian, what if , if the Assyrian wants it back from the Eygypt... And what if, if the asyrian agree to not conquer the parts of areas... Then Israel and judah will be two big kingdom surrounded by damuscus kingdom, moab kingdom, edom kingdom and feww others in present day Israel and small parts of jordan.Syria lebanon and Eygypt... Therefore actually this is a stupid question.... The original Palestinian were never one big nation or tribe but rather it was made up of different ethnic Group the word Palestine in Hebrew "to invade" Ancient Hebrew called them Hitites, they were invader and never a major tribe in the region so called present day Israel..... Only after Arab(Muslim) invasion, there official language changed from syraic ( almost similar to aramaic) to Arabic... Present Palestinian were mix with Arabs majority of the Palestinian today has the blood of Arabs...
"You shall not covet your neighbour’s house" - Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), 1500 BC "If I don't steal your home, someone else gonna steal it" - Yaakob, A Jewish settler, 2021 AD
@trollnerd Don't know if you're trolling. There's also something as having moral standards and not doing something because it's an opportunity for you and others. This is exactly what's wrong with the world...
@trollnerd I never justified them liar, I just said many times what was the reason for those rockets... your arguments are weak. Stating a reason doesn't mean justifying that reason, dishonest ad hominem. I dear you to quote me where I did justify bombings!? And even when I did justify them, which I didn't, that still doesn't make it right to steal people's homes because others can. What's wrong with you? Taking my words out of context and deflecting the subject doesn't mean you are right, ... I'm pretty sure you're the person that would call Israel their bombing being self defense, hypocrite. And did you really use search engines to try and find dirt on me so you can use a tu quoque falacy? It's really telling how dishonest you are... How much does Netanyahu pay you to be his zionbot?
@trollnerd Hamas is an unintended consequence of Israeli occupation, brutality and apartheid. Israel should in fact blame itself for Hamas. Far right people like Arieh King, Naftali Bennett are the reasons why Hamas exists. Arieh King, deputy mayor of East Jerusalem, himself said in a sky news interview that he doesn't care about international law, instead putting all the blame on the Muslims as well as the Christians. In another clip he is seen taunting a Palestinian injured by a bullet. People like Arieh, Naftali and Netanyahu are a threat to human civilisation. While children die in Gaza, the far righters dance and celebrate in front of the western wall. Such a shame.
@trollnerd Not buying, stealing. If the Israelis actually buying the houses at market price of their high demand, I don't think any Palestinian would object to that and would just go live abroad with their money from selling their houses. But that's not the case.
What seems like an absurd question, turns out to be actually a good one. Not because the analogy is 100% the same, but just because it made the majority of the Israelis interview think and go "huh, yeah, why is that different?". I think regardless of the validity, this making people think, question the narrative and for a moment look at matters from another perspective, is positive.Well done.
Not everyone can debate this topic properly. The analogy is absolutely not the same. That's like saying "I killed the man and took his life" and be labeled a murderer but saying "I killed a man and took a life of a man after he raped my wife and children" totally changes the story and the outcome. Key word here is circumstance. The circumstance of Israel's creation is WW2 and the holocaust, political social and economic chaos. If Italy decides to conquer the Roman empire it would be... Literally uncalled for. Jews wanting a place to live where they won't be prosecuted for only being Jewish after years of genocide really sounds that obsurd and unacceptable? That is one reason why the analogy is wrong.
It is indeed not a perfect analogy and I doubt anyone would claim it is. It’s rather a moot point in my opinion. It goes without saying that it isn’t. What it does do is make one think and I think that is good.
I think you're missing the point, but that's fine. It can be a flawed question and still provide interesting answers, and make people think. And that it did. The analogy is flawed, but it needn't be perfect for people to be caught off guard and look at things from a different perspective.. If anything it can help bring people more together in stead of further apart. Surely none of us should be apposed to that. That's just my €0,02
I’m sorry too and I understand why it is. I hope you can move past it. When there are hopeful answers to infuriating questions, I know which ones I’m focussing on. This whole channel is filled with flawed questions that are scientifically imperfectly delivered. That’s not the point though. The value is in the answers. I believe it is doing a great service to not just this cause, but to humanity.
fun fact, in the 19th century some French politicians (among whom, Victor Hugo it saddens me to admit it) used that exact argument to justify French colonisation. The discourse was that France was part of the roman empire and the Roman empire was once in North Africa, so at the end of the day France taking Algeria was just them "RETURNING back to it". Victor Hugo used the analogy of Rome a lot, saying that France should be the new Rome casting the light of civilisation over Africa the same way Rome cast the light of civilisation over Mediterranean territories. It was actually a "progressist" stance on the left side of the political spectrum because other colonialist politicians on the right side of the political spectrum like French minister Jules Ferry believed in race theory and the superiority of the white race and believed it was the right of the superior races to subjugate inferior ones. Victor Hugo was being progressist by saying that there's no super "race" as all humans were created equal but there IS superior civilisations, that the Romans were superior to Berbers and that the French colonisation should be a "mission civilisatrice" = a civilizing mission, so the "Romans of today" (French) should go BACK to Berber territories to civilize Berberians. The apeal for the idea of French people being Roman descendants and going back to their old lands in Africa became popular with the release of the novel "Salambo" by french writer Gustave Flaubert which tells the story of a romance taking place in Cartagena at the time of the Roman Empire. With the popularity of the book came a curiosity and fascination for North Africa and Cartagena which was in what is now Tunisia, so the fandom of this book became very eager at the idea of "taking back" those places. I imagine that a lot of these fans wanted to go there for the same reasons that nowadays some people want to go to Korea to visit the setting of their favorite Korean TV series. And thinking that on top of that they had some sort of ancestral legitimacy to the land made them go full colonization supporters.
The question itself is absurdly stupid. The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy, The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria, The Babylonians to Babylon, The Greeks to Greece, The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula, And the Bitish to Great Britain. The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland. There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel. But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign. And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire. Which makes all of them colonizers. The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world. And who all these different people colonized? The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
"They have been busy destroying instead building" what kind of argument is that to justify a war objective? It's not like invading them would improve their situation
It's obviously a biased comment that guy made, however, as the last person said, the historical parallel doesn't work. The Jews didn't take Israel by force. Please read how the 1948 war started. And, don't get me wrong, I understand, in part, why that violence bursted, but, nonetheless, the jews were not the instigators, they needed a land at a moment were they were being dangerously persecuted in many countries. Of course, religion plays a role in the incendiary nature of the conflict but historically, they did not instigate the violence. There were many problems with the creation of Israel, and most of them were not Israel faults, or palestinians' for that matter (try Britain or/and the UN, but mostly Britain).
Also, it's ignoring the fact that when you're living in an open-air prison where 90% of water is not safe for human consumption....that's not exactly an ideal environment for tech start-ups.
Yeah it’s a propaganda bias answer. Imagine your people build just for Israel to bomb it. That’s exactly why Palestinians aren’t building anything because they are wasting their resources building something the Israel military is just going to bomb down and destroy.
@@straysheep5312 I wouldn't say that's the reason because they DO build, but it certainly does play a role in the priorities they have. But, yeah, definitely propaganda bias.
@HIghland Ibrahim born in iraq , traveled to Palestine have a baby issac whom have jacob ( israel ) then him and his sons left to Egypt, how that makes him the owner of the land .
Just for people commenting about "todays Italians" - ancient Roman empire was not Italians ! Many migrations happened after, 14 Emperors were Ilyrians (today's Croatians - Dalmatia and Albanians), also soldiers were from different areas of Empire as well. Anyone who knows but of Italians and their war history will know there is no material Empire soldiers
@@hansfrankfurter2903 I think he was talking about the possibility of "jews claming back their land which they were banished from in Iraq, Syria, Tunisia etc.." indeed 70 years ago.. Not 2000 🤷♂️
@@hansfrankfurter2903 I think you misunderstood. He brought up a statute of limitations in reference to jews claiming land, because their ancestors were supposedly living there some thousand years ago. He's saying that by that logic people from different backgrounds could claim land all over the world. So it doesn't really makes sense and people should try to have a good life where they are now.
That would likely be because it's a dumb question. The Romans didn't lose their land. All of the ethnic peoples that were in the Roman homeland and its various vassal states are still there and have been there this whole time except the Jews. Much confusion has been caused by the Roman citizenship given to soldiers in the Roman army who were not ethnically Italian (the general term for Romans today, although many Tuscans are technically Etruscan whom Rome overthrew) but wherever they chose to settle, their descendants are still there. So the Romans didn't lose their home land, only their power over other people's homelands. Why would they want it back?
Rae Daily Who doesn't want power, right? It's not a dumb question at all. Europe is now predominantly Christian, and generally speaking, when people speak of the Roman Empire, they immediately think of europe, hence the question. You can never rule out the possibility of a Christian uprising that demands back the land they once ruled (which is the Jewish glasshouse argument). You weren't able to answer the question at all, let alone ridicule it. The question is still plausible.
Ibno Zizou you're so right. It's amazing how baldfacedly hypocritical and contradictory people can get and expect you not to say anything. This is very much like Game of Thrones.
Ibno Zizou Except that whites never claimed to have been there 3000 years ago. They just conquered a land, fought, won and built a country. There was no USA when the settlers arrived, no infrastructure. The Amerindians were a number of tribes and they currently enjoy all sorts of rights.
Ihsahn Åkerfeldt Actually.. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to America stole that idea from the Iroquois league. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured. Not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans. You should also take into consideration that most of the tribes of North America became extinct due to the diseases and warfare the Europeans brought with them. Indians today are still treated like garbagge, especially when they try to protect any sacred mountain or location and private security companies are hired to set trained dogs loose on them, while the government doesn't do shit to stop destroying the envoirment. Yes Indians enjoy the right to be mauled by dogs for defending nature and their culture.
Try to find the mental gymnastics here, point it out & quote it: I see it as a matter of Equality of Ethics VS Palestinain Excpetionalism, though I don't agree with a lot of the reasoning used: There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part. A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. The truth is, almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then after a fight & a loss, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else, or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevidable mean perpetual war, isn't it? Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right? What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
@@pebblepod30 Please Look up Any Anti Zionist Jews and How they want a free Palestine and Why. They will tell you more than any person in the comments or anything they will show you here.
@@pebblepod30 They are supposed to live in exile untill the return of the messiah and the building of the 3rd temple and only then they will be allowed to create the Kingdom of Israel
that delivery guy in 4:49 saying "look at what you have now " is ridiculous .... imagine if the guy interviewing told him can i have your phone? and the guy said sure here you go.... then the interviewer says ok this is my phone now and you should forget about the past and create something new with what you have now.
its a very easy question to answer. 1. it was legally given to them by the British who were the last to conquer it. 2. if we are going back in history, jews had an independent state before the Romans too.
@@whome6415 the Germans already had a country and land in the 30's they weren't exercising self-determination they were exercising extermination and world domination. Israel did not have to conquer the land with a war, they did have to defend it through war though.
@@rhianimal19 At this point Israel state is too powerful and has so many allies it can't be erased. Palestine should aim for a sovereign state with full power over what remains of their land.
Wow wow wait a minute I’m Mongolian and I want my land back! I mean I want the world back🤣 by the way my country is literally on top of Byzantine and Roman architecture and ruins. You can have your wedding in one of the underground aqueducts today!
Second dude was legit. You could tell he had some compassion for their plight but also wasn't trying to politic his way around the answer. Everything he said was straight to the point.
Tbh, I agreed with him 100%. I mean, should my husband's family go back to Iran and try to kick the people out who must live in their home now? It leads to permanent war, this kind of thinking.
i agree with him 90% i dont agree with him on the 10% because the palestanian dont have to give their land or some of their land back to them. if they did it, it will be because they are good people. But it will never be a "must"
idk why but i always have this idea to just divide the land like how they divide germany back then, with the capital also divided eventho its located more to the other side
italians : "we want our lands back" israelian : "no you cant, we have boundaries now" palestines : "no you cant take our land, we have boundaries now" israelians : "it was our land"
there was never an independent state of Palestine. who's the "our" all those that stayed in the land in 48 got Israeli citizenship. and the rest were offered their own land multiple times. the UN legally recognized the state of israel in 48.
The question itself is absurdly stupid. The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy, The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria, The Babylonians to Babylon, The Greeks to Greece, The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula, And the Bitish to Great Britain. The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland. There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel. But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign. And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire. Which makes all of them colonizers. The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world. And who all these different people colonized? The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
As someone with Italian ancestry, I demand a passport in every country in the former Roman Empire. It’s my right. God says so.
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Welcome to Lebanon! The Italians left an enormous temple in Lebanon 2000 years ago, so come and inherit it.
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I support you
Your ancestors stole the land, it wasn't your ancestors home. Go argue with the British and Ottomans.
The first guy in the interview, sound like a shoplifter who got caught, and is trying to explain that he was not stealing.
best comment ever lol
Tahuan Tinsuyo lmaoo
Your comment doesn't make sense at all.... People need to think when bombarded with sudden heavy political questions on the street. Everyone would be startled by it. Secondly, the Jews were there long before the Romans or even the Arabs, so do your math who stole from whom here...
@@GPBKM The terms arab and hebrew got the same root. It means literally the same.
@@ClintEastwooodPS3 , No doubt both languages are Semitic languages like most of the languages in the Middle East. That doesn't change the fact that Jews are originated from Judea in Israel, and the Arabs are from Arabia... And no, they don't mean the same thing! The original word for Hebrew is "Ivri". The word Arab in Arabic is "Arabi" which literally means someone who's of Arabian origin...
Some Italians should start a social media campaign to get their land back. I would love to see this happen.
back from who? Didnt they originally take it from the Jews? So if anyone had the right to take it back its the Jews. lol what a funny comment
@@madcatter1 and jews take it from canaanites
@@fatimasaksouk literally how history works. Migrations and people conquering each other.
@@VinnieG-exactly, so by the moment we then conquered the jewish by your logic we should be the last one who should have the right to claim it back ( we don't really want to claim anything back but is just the same thinking process you did)
@@ciaoatutti307 that's precisely what the other side is trying to do...
I don't understand your point
I love how fast the first guy went from "that's ridiculous" to "it depends".
Yes, I'm from Italy and I want my land back!
Andres LeBon First of all, give us back the treasures of the Temple!
Ciao, I'm from Romania (ancient Roman province of Dacia), you can have us back any time, and I'm sure a lot people here would agree on this!
Andres LeBon it’s not money. Go learn history you ignorant
@@wyqtor Ciao, I'm not sure if a lot of people in Italy would agree with you 😁, but thanks. Anyway in these days is not so cool to be part of Italy.
Come and get it... I dare you!
What if the Roman want their land back today?
Israeli: It doesn't make any sense.
Palestinian: Then how could it make sense for Israel to claim that it's their land after 2000 years?
If you don't know nothing, best to keep trap shut
@@michaelhansen4300 Really? What's your excuse? God promised you this land?
@@michaelhansen4300 at least he know English better than you. If you don't know nothing is double negative.
@@michaelhansen4300 atleast he did made sense. Triple negative for u
@@michaelhansen4300 If i convert do i also become a chosen one? Am i also entitled to a piece of land there if i say im circumcized?
HAHHAHHAH braindead morons
"What if the Romans wanted their land back?" is a great question and here is a similar one for Americans: What if the indigenous people of America wanted their land back, and several major world powers supported them with funding and advanced weapons?
And being Australian. What if the Aboriginals want their land back?
Romans were occupiers and not indigenous to Palestine/Israel. Same for Ottomans. But Ottomans were able to retain ownership of their land in many or most cases, even after leaving Palestine. A portion of the land transfer happened through purchase from Ottomans or others. An ottoman or Roman wouldn’t have any claim in such a case.
Not a good comparison to Israel though. All Americans of Native descent get equal rights here. They have the right to vote. They are fully equal in the eyes of the law, both bound and protected by the law, and furthermore, most Americans understand and acknowledge the massive injustice we did to them, and the tribes are recognized, have land, have received settlements for the US's failure to comply with our treaties, and they enjoy significant federal benefits. None of this can be said about the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza--and make no mistake, there is, and will be, only one state between the river and the sea--that is Israel, but 5 million of Israel's residents--non-Jewish--have no rights.
But don't they enjoy full rights as Australian citizens, with the right to vote? If not, then that too, would be a major injustice that needs to be fixed.@@jacintagay226
I would support that. cuz fuck the US.
The issue with Israel is, the region bordering the east of the mediterrane sea is not the land where the Israelites were indigenous to. Israelites conquered that country just like the Romans conquered that country, because God told them it is the right thing to do.
Their indigenous land of the Israelites is actually closer to the region of Iraq and Kuwait. Why they are not settled there anymore is something different to ask. I guess from the scriptures it could be, because they were arrogant pricks to polytheist people in that area and were kicked out.
First guy was having a panic attack, he knew he was exposing his own hypocrisy
The cognitive dissonance started kicking in fast.
Pilpul is amazing to see in action.
And the second one just arrogant.
Actually thought that guy was intending to be fair in his answer... he was tripping up... like most people he probably hasn't thought about these questions much, or at all... and it is challenging.... very challenging to face a lot of this...
No he had a very reasonable view. He was willing to compromise for peace if he could have basic assurance of safety. That's all we can expect from anyone. If Israel were ruled by people like him there would be a lot more progress towards peace and freedom.
“God promised us this land”
I didn’t know God was a estate agent.
With Habirus you lose.
That why Israel so afraid to Iran because iranian trying to make nuklir bom, other nation not afraid if Iran making nuk bom, because we don't steal other people land.
We are the Hebrew Israelites of the scriptures 12 tribes not jew-ish
@@tedjohnson8319 white people from Europe, they are not jewish, they already mix for thousand year, the real jewish is jewish from middle east their face same like Arab, and not going anywhere, not based on your holy book, because everybody have their own holy book
@@entahhendrayana3145 they are not middle east... that word has an origin... by European. Hebrews were mistaken for Egyptians. Not the arabs there of today either
_"I would fight them!"_
_"So what is the difference from the Palestinian point of view?"_
_"It's the same.. I understood the comparison... that's left-wing propaganda!"_
It's like the dude had a sudden stroke of cognitive dissonance mid-sentence.
Israelis never thought it's their "right" to take the land back...israelis fought hard to get the land back in only defensive wars that were started against them. If anything the question should literally be turned upside down towards palestinians and ask them why they think land that was once there's should just be given back to them? Wars happen, it's not pretty, people conquer, Israel won. There was no "it's our right so therefore it's ours". Nah...there were always Jews there, more Jews came in from all around the world legally in the British empire times. And in 1948 all the arab countries tried to destroy them, and Israel won. I don't understand how people can be mad at that. People are just mad that Jews succeeded in coming back to their land.
@@gshap1258 'People are just mad that Jews succeeded in coming back to their land.'
No, people are disgusted that a nation clinging to memories of genocide hides their own collective abuses behind the world's sympathy for that genocide, and that, overall, Israelis have the same attitude toward Palestinians that Americans had against Indians 100 years ago.
@@tonyedwards6073 We aren't clinging to memories of genocide at all. We are a strong and successful nation that promotes freedom of sexuality, religion, women's rights and democracy in the middle east. Palestinian israelis have the best life any Arab can have on this earth and they'll tell you that first handed.
@@tonyedwards6073 Except you're wrong cus we kept most the palestinians hear to stay while america killed off most the Indians. Palestinians are literally 25% of Israeli citizens. You have no place to talk.
@@gshap1258 _"Israelis never thought it's their right to take the land back"_
You are commenting under a video where Israelis are interviewed saying exactly that.
You even end your own comment with:
_"Jews succeeded in coming back to their land."_
Maybe consider the proper context, and collect your thoughts before going off to hasbara story-time.
This first guy is something else...Can see how he struggles with his thought. He just got caught lying to himself and tries to walk out.
I think he's also just struggling with speaking English
SHLM & HaB (peace & love). The Name of the Creator is Hayah asher Hayah, as what He told Mose (Exodus 3:14), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is a curse to the G-o-d name (Isaiah 65:11-12), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. All followers of the Messiah are to do the 7 appointed times (Leviticus 23), but no more animal sacrifices, following the Crucifixion of the Messiah. We are now of the order of MLK TSDQ (King, righteous), to Whom ABRaHM tithed. Ask the Messiah to be your personal Savior. He is the Atoning Offering for mankind for the remission of sin ( 1 John 2:1-2). He said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). If you believe the Messiah died on the cross, & Resurrected three days later (presenting Himself as First Fruits to the Father), please ask Him to be your Savior. He is the ONLY way to Everlasting Life.
@@justarandompally SHLM & HaB (peace & love). The Name of the Creator is Hayah asher Hayah, as what He told Mose (Exodus 3:14), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is a curse to the G-o-d name (Isaiah 65:11-12), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. All followers of the Messiah are to do the 7 appointed times (Leviticus 23), but no more animal sacrifices, following the Crucifixion of the Messiah. We are now of the order of MLK TSDQ (King, righteous), to Whom ABRaHM tithed. Ask the Messiah to be your personal Savior. He is the Atoning Offering for mankind for the remission of sin ( 1 John 2:1-2). He said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). If you believe the Messiah died on the cross, & Resurrected three days later (presenting Himself as First Fruits to the Father), please ask Him to be your Savior. He is the ONLY way to Everlasting Life.
@@ginarios9442 What? Lol. You realise whatever you tried to write is actually gibberish and not even remotely close to English, right? Even if you remove all the fanaticism
@@justarandompally "For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up, " said Hayah of hosts, "which leaves to them neither root nor branch (Malachi 4:1)." You are without excuse, as I gave you this and other warnings, but you chose to mock the Word of Hayah.
Wow! This needs to be shared, because this is absolutely relevant right now more than ever.
Old argument of the colonisers of years gone by
I absolutely agree. It hurts me deeply that the U.S. and Gemocide Joe support this Palestinian Genocide, and I'm a Democrat. 😔
Totally false equivalence. Israel was the homeland of the Jewish People. It was just a province of a conquering Roman empire. Hardly the same at all! Israel is and has only ever been the single home of the Jewish People. There's no where else. There are 22 arab countries with a landmass of 13 million km2 compared to Israel's tiny 22 thousand km2.
@@gedaliaw Propaganda at it's highest. Just like the Nazis. If it was their only homeland, why were they migrating from Europe? Their natural homeland for 1000s of years. That was their homeland. Russia was their homeland.
The Jewish, Muslim and Christian Palestinians lived in Palestine. You colonial thieves came in from Europe and took it by force.
@@gedaliaw people can't tell what they're looking at when they stand so close. Bottom line is modern Israel was born nearly a century ago, and its not going anywhere. No matter how much the international community whines about it, Israel will defend the Jewish people after 2000+ years of savagery through to Oct 7th. As for the Palestinians, once their leaders accept that fact, the long road to peace can truly begin. Look at Egypt, 40 years without conflict
The first guy is the perfect example of the phrase “beating around the bush”.
Seems like this one to me
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His eyes were twitching. He knows there’s something wrong 😏
I love how he keeps saying "if that's what [the palestinians] want" as if they have not wanted this since '48.
He literally said they want to be invaded
Speaking a foreign language like you know how to do, "Tiger" 🐅... Raaarrr.
"If I don't steal your home, someone else is going to"- Settler to a Palestinian
The Brooklyn guy, right?
At least that guy was being honest.
I appreciate those who are straight up about it, instead of pretending to be woke liberal-minded folk who care about equality.
He was correct - that family is being kicked out of their home regardless. If he doesn’t take it, it won’t go back to the Palestinian family, it will just be given to another Israeli settler.
@@MJW238 this is a stupid ass take LMAO. The right thing to do would be to stand up for the Palestinian family. this was dumb.
You’re saying “Oh im gonna take your property forcefully BUT it’s okay cus I told you straight up tho so you can’t argue with me. Gtfo.”
@@Kojeeh “Idk your agenda” yes you do bc he made it very very clear to everyone who read his comment.
@@lolacookie453 you right. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt
The instant shame in their eyes and being hesitant while answering the question, understanding where it was ultimately going, says it all
Jews lived in this land before the Romans, so this agrument is actually in favor of Israel
@@GoogooX The Jewish people as understood today didn’t exist back then. Even genetically modern Jews are very distinct from ancient Israelites. And your argument is predicated on the belief that you have a right to land that you haven’t been on for thousands of years regardless of who else has been living there legitimately since then. I’m an American with German ancestry. If I go to Germany, find my ancestral hometown, and find out an immigrant family is living there, can I kick them out and claim their house for myself?
@@andyrihn1 You as an individual, no, you could never do that today. You as an US soldier after WW2, yes, you could have done that If the US won the war and claimed the land. This has happened so many times historically and shaped the world and it's boarders as we know them today. Also I want to point out that if you're going to use arguments about who was were first, you can't cut the timeline to fit your narrative.
@@andyrihn1 First, Jews lived in so called "Palestine" under the british mandate, along with arabs, it was in control of the british mandate, not arab palestinians. Second, according to your logic, if Israel hold the land for long enough then arabs will have no justification to taking it back again? Nobody claimed their houses, they could live under Israeli control, just like todays arabs living in Israel, they did not flee the country when arab nations declared war on Israel, and they got Israeli citizenship.
@@GoogooX Herodotus mentions Palestine in the 5th century BC. It makes all the sense in the world to call it Palestine; saying "so called" and putting quotations around it does not change that.
As to your second point: Military historian Edgar O'Ballance writes: "Israeli vans with loudspeakers drove through the streets ordering all the inhabitants to evacuate immediately, and such as were reluctant to leave were forcibly ejected from their homes by the triumphant Israelis whose policy was now openly one of clearing out all the Arab civil population before them."
David Ben-Gurion, Israels first prime minister (before he became prime minister, mind you) wrote the following to what was effectively the precursor to the IDF: "the cleansing of Palestine
remained the prime objective of Plan Dalet." Cleansing. Somebody claimed their houses... Some 250 000 - 300 000 Palestinians fled from what is now Israel in 1948. According to Israeli intelligence themselves: "[...] 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population." SHAI wrote this.
And I need to emphasise, again: the *cleansing* of Palestine
remained the prime objective of Plan Dalet.
Another good question would be "what if America decides to stop funding and supporting Isreal how would that affect Isreal?"
They wouldn't have started this "war". It's all based on Netinyahu bragging he controls US.
In realtà l'America dipende dai soldi degli ebrei
won't happen though since American Jews got Capitol Hill by the balls
Israel would crease to exist. Israel is not self sustainable. Unlike the Palestinians, will they like to mock as people who have not changed... For several millennia... Isralis are not acclimated to dessert living.
What's Israel!
That's what people would say hundreds of years after America stopped supporting Israel!
I'm fascinated by the amount of shame these people haven thrown upon themselves by accepting to answer these questions without even noticing. I'm gonna watch this video again.
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LMAO
Romans weren't persecuted for 2000 years forcing them into a situation where they needed their own state to defend themselves
Hi! I'm Alexander's descendent, I'd like to have half the world under my leadership please.
Thank you for understanding and have a nice day.
Oh shet!
I’m a dependent of Ghengis Khan, you and I need to have a long talk my friend.
I am descendent dinosaur we brother isnt?😂
@@aldimahmuda 😂
@@revertrevertz5438 yeah, jews surely conquered half the world, just like romans, greeks and mongolians (who conquered wast areas of steppe), it's totally the same...
I love how his argument that they created something better than what came before was literally the Romans justification for conquering 😅
South Africa used it as well, in the 1970s and 1980s, to justify their apartheid. Coincidence?
@@jlg4ever yeah, it's a good reason
Yeah, it's a good reason
every conqueror argument
The question itself is absurdly stupid.
The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy,
The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria,
The Babylonians to Babylon,
The Greeks to Greece,
The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula,
And the Bitish to Great Britain.
The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland.
There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel.
But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign.
And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire.
Which makes all of them colonizers.
The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world.
And who all these different people colonized?
The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
As soon as his logic is applied to Israel, his argument changes completely.
Many of these people who answered this question used a lot of mental gymnastics to convince themselves of their own right to be there, while simultaneously condemning others for the same action. This is called hypocrisy, people. The world is boiling over with it.
the world chooses to ignore history. If the Romans conquered the land from the Jews then it means that the Jews lived there way before 1948 and almost a millennia before Islam was even created.
@@madcatter1 🤣
@@punkleruckus I see you agree with me
The vast majority of countries are predicated on violence. How could you possibly think that is not the case? Arbitrary lines drawn from warfare, and if you think that only Europeans engaged in this than you have a very selective perception of history. Jews tried to be peaceful and not claim land through violence for thousands of years. Could you tell me how that worked out for them? Yes, not very well if you cast your mind back to the past millennia
Yeah,
Such feeble answers
"Let's forget about the past"
"We came and built stuff"
Let me take your house, renovate it and claim it as mine now because "I built stuff"
Will they get back their land in Iran or all Arab countries from where they were expelled .
If yes , then let it be .
This migration wont work in one direction only
@@OP-el8qg of course we will let them go whee they came from here in Morocco a lot of Jews we living why did they leave ? Was it because of discrimination? Of poverty ? Of war ? No it was politics.
@@fodk7021 what make you think that anti - Zionist politics will stop once they return back to homeland .
Isn't it the same politics which made them to go to Isreal .
Jews are not safe in Canada or European countries now due to Islamisation of Europe and the inherent anti Jewish in Islam is making them unsafe , they have to migrate even from Europe .
And you are assuring them they will be safe in Moraco , that assurance of safety is just empty words and nothing else , you even know that
@@OP-el8qg well they were living here in peace now that they started a war I don't think they will be safe anywhere even in their actual land.
@@fodk7021 thanks for accepting that Jewish are not safe due to current war .
But was this war also the reason in older time even when Isreal as state didint exist , in Arabia during Mohammed time when when they were expelled from there
I tried to understand why the Israelis claimed the land. Many say that it is historical, that it was given / promised to them. Following this logic, if the Israelis are asked what they think if the Italians claim the land on which the Israelis live, then they no longer agree with their logic. What conclusion can we draw?
The fact that the Palestinians have been living there for so man many centuries and yet these mostly Europeans think they have more right to the land is so ridiculous.
I’ve seen people Americans, British, Australians, polish who call themselves Israelis and people of the Middle East and it’s just so laughable. They have no connection to the Middle East other than moving there or their parents moving there!
Manifest Destiny never stopped going brrrrrr.
It's just going brrrrrr under different labels, for different groups of racial supremacists, at different times.
Realistically, the answer would be that we would need to be consistent with our logic.
So if your logic tree is the indigenous route, the Hebrews/Jews would be the rightful dwellers of the land being pushed out by the Romans.
If your logic tree is might makes right and that the Romans owned the land because they had the strength to push out the Israelites, then Israelis would have the right to the land.
I don’t see any logic that would give Romans/Italians the right to Israel over Israelis today.
@@King_Solomon_the_LibtartRealistically, Jews stole that land from Canaanites and Phoenician Greeks called as Philistines. So "let's go back in history" just doesn't prove anything for the Jewish claim because you are nothing but another invader. Also, the stupid martial law of "strong one is the rightful one" makes it that Russians have the right to invade Ukraine, or Nazis were rightful by committing Holocaust, why ? Because they were and are powerful ?
The only reasonable choice back in 1947 was partitioning the land in a demographically correct way rather than giving 30% population Jewish 55% of total land.
The only reasonable decision right now is all Kibbutzes created after 1967 to be dismantled, post-1967 occupied territories given back to Palestine and an independent state of Palestine to be created.
@@King_Solomon_the_Libtart Yes because your arbitrary construction of the past always favours yourself. We know this, you guys do this all the time. In someone else's book, you should be living under the ocean, for example.
The real answer is that colonialist scum is going to colonize and use whatever vitriolic narrative they want to annihilate common sense. Colonizers pretend that REMOVING people from their homes, is somehow justifiably done to rehome people to what is rightfully theirs. You people always do this. You will never stop doing this. It is just unfortunate that you keep clinging to religions to further your causes. You guys did it with Christianity, and now you are doing it with Judaism. And you colonialists will keep clinging onto whatever narrative you can find or misappropriate, for your cause.
I identify as an Etruscan, and I demand the return of the entire Italian Peninsula to us.
I think I can have a piece of land in many parts of the world just by following my ancestry haha... I am sure there is a holy book or scriptures of every single culture I belong to saying that they were the chosen children of their respective land.
That's why "colonialism" is a soft word that doesn't reflect the crimes that have occurred in recent history. Ancient civilizations united peoples from the same CULTURAL SPHERE, but there was no ethnic genocide (except perhaps the change in language replacement) and nor did they intend to dominate the entire world.
He started stuttering when the tables were turned… pretty much shows his allegiance to ignorance
the propaganda and brainwashing is unreal in that country
The question itself is absurdly stupid.
The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy,
The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria,
The Babylonians to Babylon,
The Greeks to Greece,
The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula,
And the Bitish to Great Britain.
The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland.
There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel.
But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign.
And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire.
Which makes all of them colonizers.
The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world.
And who all these different people colonized?
The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
The analogy is fallacious at so many levels and it's incredible there is no highly upvoted comment to explain the vast differences between the situations.
Let's delve into the contrasts between "Romans" wanting their land back and Jews.
1. There has always been a Jewish presence in the land known today as Israel, in fact you can look at census data along the centuries much before the Zionist movement and you'll see that the Jewish population comprised a significant part of Jerusalem's population, as an example. There is no such modern-day "Roman" population that has lived here for centuries/millenia.
2. There has always been a religious/cultural connection to the land of Israel and specifically Zion, which appears in the Old Testament 152 times as a title of Jerusalem. As an example, the theme of Zion and Jerusalem runs through Jewish wedding rituals as a symbolic tie between the couple's new union and the history/destiny of the Jewish people. There is no such religious/cultural connection for the modern-day "Romans".
3. The goal of Zionism was to reestablish a Jewish nation in Palestine through legal settlement and international support for a Jewish homeland. This is different than a desire to militarily recolonize a lost province, which is more akin to Roman ambitions and the analogy being made. The governing body, then the British Mandate, made the Balfour declaration, for example, in support of this cause. It is also known that Jewish organizations bought land legally to settle in.
4. As an extension of point 3, there were many attempts at coming to a peaceful resolution and agreement with the Arab Palestinian population several times, such as the Peel Commission in 1936, 12 years before the independence of Israel and several years before the Holocaust, 1947 UN partition plan and many times later. So the intent of trying to peacefully resolve the dispute was attempted, once again much differently to modern-day Italians attempting to conquer Israel by force.
5. The illegal immigration that did happen under the British Mandate was mostly due to the Holocaust and Jewish people trying to save themselves. This was an enormous tragedy that cannot be compared to simply "wanting a land" on a whim. A lot of the immigration between the 40s-70s was also by 800,000 Jews that were ethnically cleansed from Arab states.
So in summary, this analogy may seem logical to one-sided or ignorant people who don't know too much about the history of the region and the conflict, but falls apart upon quite basic analysis.
1. Clearly these ppl have been fed a story since childhood
2. They struggle with the words and eyes; when truth seems hard to accept
These people has been fed stories since generations ago.
I mean, God’s Realtor Services came down and leased these lands in perpetuity?
Plus they don’t struggle with the words, they struggle to justify their position.
Reminds me of north koreans
@@raffyc66 but an other people treated as an ethnicity with origins in a certain region are welcome to go back to their lands (slaves after the US civil war)
Edit: obviously two completely different situations, but nevertheless completely different reactions by the locals to the returning people.
Same here in Ireland, up north. Its sad.
a little analysis based on your own narrative. You cannot believe your story is more 'true' because ultimately, it's still just a story. The question remains, are you willing to sacrifice yourself and your family for your 'story'?
“I would fight them”
In the back of his head : oh fuck, isn’t that what the Palestinians are doing? Now I have to cover up my shit 😅
lmfao IKR
There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part.
A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. Almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else, or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevidable mean perpetual war.
Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right?
What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
@@pebblepod30 Nice writing style mate! But it's all *Rubbish!*
Israel is a lengthy project of colonial settlement. This project will never become legitimate just because of its length of occupation.
As an example, the British colonialists were kicked out of India after 300 years of colonial rule. So the length of colonial occupation *does NOT legitimize a colonization in any way whatsoever!*
@@lahoreaskari2651
Hello Askari. Look I don' tagree with one of the assumptions in your argument, but are you able to have a respectful interaction (like I did) or are you someone who is committed to the destruction of Israel and you don' have an open mind on it? Because otherwise, there is no point in talking, and Palestine Israel will forever be in perpetual war.
Yes, it is a correct analogy because Jews have been living in Palestine for at least two thousand years continually, including with a state. That isn't so for India & England. It is a historical fact that the Jews are indigenous to the region too.
Also, if the English did as the Turks did, and kicked them out and made their indpendant state, yes it would be the same.
@@lahoreaskari2651
So will you also call for all land invaded by Muslims to be given back to Christians?
Constantinople was a big one.
Or every other country on earth (India one of hundreds, but not england because they didn't settle like in Australia or US)?
Muslims invading India, Or England settling Australia.
Notice how everyone else moved on, except the Palestinians? Same if my country was invaded, settled & we lost.
Same thing.
But I don't because I either use equal standards or I change my mind.
Have you ever changed your mind on this? Hav eyou questioned what you were taught? I used to be pro Palestine/Anti Israel.
Now I am neither, but I insist that acceptance of Israel's existance & no more Palestinian land for there to be peace.
Peace can only happen with sacrificing going back to the past.
What offends me is that these people are smart, they know the history but they choose to ignore it, misdirect it or completely omit it. Maybe they think they can escape the history, maybe they are indoctrined to be this way.
The last guy said they took Israel in 1948 without any violence, paid for the land,… he’s smart, he must know that thousands were murdered and chased away.
@@_filifjonkan4290Zionism is a mental illness that infects their society
They know they are wrong and don't want to admit it. It was precisely these types of double-faced actions that brought them to their doom in the past, according to the Torah.
The basic answer is that might-makes-right. Every single people has conquered their land. The arabs living in Egypt conquered their land. The Poles living in Poland conquered their land. The Turks living in Turkey conquered their land. The Australians living in Australia conquered their land.
This is the truth of the world and it's the truth with Israel. Even the Italians could rationalize their conquest so they would simply have to be beaten. Were the jews wrong for taking the Levant? Maybe. But the jews can also rationalize it by saying that there was no country there, or that the UN gave them their country and they were simply defending themselves. You can rationalize everything with enough spin on your arguments, but it ultimately comes down to who has the bigger weapon, and many people in this video came to that conclusion.
I identify as a Roman and I want my land back
I, as a descendant of the Greeks, Mamluks and Genoese, agree. I have more rights from different blood lines than Jews. I can prove it with a DNA test 😁✌
@user-ul9wy8fi9n Fun fact, DNA testing is banned in isr aHELL coz DNA testing will reveal that most isr aHELLis are European immigrants 😆
I identify as neanderthal and I want the earth back.
@@Ταυρικήσιδηρίτις then you go to test lab with biggest database, you might be family from native indians too, so lots of land to grab back
I identify as Cleopatra 👸
I want Egypt back 🗿
"God gave us this land"
No England did
well the british crown is also said to have its power from God
that's the Christian Anglican interpretation, but hey at least it's also Abrahamic
The next best thing.
What a simply and beautifully said sentence
Ignorant.. 3000 years afo
@ei-da? facts
Their mouth can't say the truth their eyes can't see the reality their hearts have no mercy
True
Give Pakistan back to India and send all their Muslims back to where, Mecca?
palestin,israel n india belomg to dinosour..so get out from their
@@healruqya4277 lmao hahahaha
You can see their eyes shaking whenever they want to lie.
He said..." there was not much here when we came here" , the same the British Said when they took Australia from the indigenous peoples, same with Utah and New Mexico, shame.
"There was nothing here before..."
Same mentality as the European colonizers who claimed there was nothing in the Americas before they arrived.
Completely different
@@ScouserLegend Nope.
That’s the exact language the British used when they colonised Australia. They deemed it ‘Terra Nullius’-“no-one’s land” because the Indigenous Australians didn’t build anything and the land was largely uncultivated.
@@jonbartolo8067 Exactly.
can't get it in my head why it's so difficult for ppl to accept the atrocities "their" culture has done to others. ofc what europeans did in all of the americas was a major breach of human rights, same with what happened in asia and africa. it only makes you look like a serious ass and stupid if you try to deny that. even more so if you dare to critisize others for the same stuff. It's not like you have to accept this behaviour just bc some far, far ancestor of yours did the exact same shitty thing. It may also help you to realize how lucky you are to be part of a culture who exploited the rest of the world for hundreds of years and can now live a comfortable life thanks to that.
The first guy set a trap for himself and then was all over the place when he was asked a very simple question like :" wait a second, palestenians never accepted you coming here either! "
its a very easy question to answer. 1. it was legally given to them by the British who were the last to conquer it. 2. if we are going back in history, jews had an independent state before the Romans too.
The question itself is absurdly stupid.
The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy,
The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria,
The Babylonians to Babylon,
The Greeks to Greece,
The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula,
And the Bitish to Great Britain.
The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland.
There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel.
But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign.
And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire.
Which makes all of them colonizers.
The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world.
And who all these different people colonized?
The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
@@magnumopus1628 ya say even if the palestinians were there before 1948 which isnt true since the arabs werent the only ones living there, Jews were there too for all the years, but say the palestinians were there before the Jews in 1948, The Jews were there before them. So why do we only go back 70 years? Did history end once palestinians theoretically claimed the land? Why then did they only stat calling themselves that name in the late 1960's?
@@menachr its funny that everyone seems to forget that history went way back before only 70 years ago. Besides why cant anyone name a palestinian king or president who ruled "palestine"? When did they ever rule the land?
What if the Iranians/PERSIANS wanted their land back??? Oh boy.
Ciaron Smith hahaha peace to all of Middle East, some of Asia and some of Europe
What if the Mongols wanted their land back? Oh shit
Or the mongolians
What if the Aryans wanted their ancestral land back... unimaginable. Ends all questions and answers all conflicts.
Or the ottomans 😂
Actually the Romans ruled the region for over 600 years. The Byzantine Era began when Constantinople became the ruling seat of power and continued Roman rule for another 300 plus years. Though Rome was no longer the capital they still regarded themselves as Romans.
The Kingdom of Israel and the later Kingdom of Judah, altogether lasted around 500 years. So the Romans actually ruled the land longer than the Jews.
@@chunhaylee
You know who ruled these lands even longer than the Romans? Ancient Egyptians and Assyrians ~3000 - 1500 BC.
And the Jewish Empire did not last beyond two kings haha
My brain cells shivered up and vanished as the first guy kept talking
😂😂😂😂 same
@HIghland the f u talking about they have no right
@HIghland and Yasser Arafat ❤️ defending them is heroic
@HIghland why are you copy pasting this comment everywhere?
@HIghland omg lollll u know nothinnnng
Trying to put a straight face when deep down they know its full of denial...
@HIghland
There were people in Palestine before Jews. The Jews weren’t the first to live there.
@HIghland stop copy pasting
@HIghland lmao. I don't know you people start inventing your own history😂😂
@HIghland Stop lying. Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years themselves even if they weren't called palestinianes. Jews werent even the first people of that land.
@HIghland what in the world are you living in
To be fair, all these people, this is what they've been told since childhood. They are clever enough to understand where the question goes. It's just hard to confront what they believe as rightous. Great interview!
That's not an excuse. Everyone is brainwashed to a certain degree but you grow and educate yourself with an open mind and open heart.
@@robbb416 Everyone has bias, but not everyone is subjected to indoctrination. Remember that Israel has Service by Requirement; almost all Israelis serve in the military and go through boot camp. When everyone you know: your teachers, your politicians, your parents, all grow up in a society that considers all push back "Left Wing Propaganda" or "Muslim Propaganda", most people fall in line. When politicians who say the most milquetoast of takes (like Palestinians deserve Human Rights) end up assassinated, it puts a healthy fear of being the voice that stands out.
@@cf3714 i agree with everything your saying but every single debate i see online seems to forget that both sides are ideologically driven against eachother. Israel and Palestine both contribute to the conflict, the only reason everyone is supporting Palestine is because they are losing.
@@matthewbaptist2670 Well one side is engaging in Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing, and the other gets Bombed, Starved, and Dehumanized. Kinda easy to see why people who read up on the situation side with Palestine.
You can make the argument that the Palestinians would do the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot, but even if that were true, what Israel is *currently* doing is still wrong.
@@cf3714 whats the alternative? They offer Palestine citizenship and asking them to assimilate. What is the ideal way you suggest they deal with the issue?
To make this right, Israel needs to give the land back to the Palestinians and allow the Palestinians to vote.
A lot of them can't look straight into the camera to give their responses becuase they know no matter how its worded- what is occurring is just theft.
@@franklinQR and isreal means greedy in latin....
@@franklinQR You would have taken the land and trampled others even if there was no history of Jews living in Palestine and there was no book stating that some being has promised you this land if you had the power to do so. You wanted a state for Jews and liked the idea of taking Palestine because it made some of you be able to justify it for yourself and the British made it available for you. It doesn't matter that some people took land from some other people many many years ago, they did wrong and you did the same thing, killed and drove people away to take the land for yourself. Now people on both sides are loosing their lives and living in fear because of it. This history excuse is like someone killing another because his great grandfather killed his great grandfather.
It's because they're looking at the questioner's eyes. Maybe you should have a more intelligent critique instead of sounding like an emotional buffoon.
@@AtTheEast18Actually, many were not looking at the gentleman asking the questions. Again, there is a reason for that, especially when one is asked a hard question and is trying to do their best to word the response in a manner that doesn't seem sociopathic or genocidal. Sounds like you're triggered by the acknowledgement of that reality. Sounds like you're the ONLY buffoon. Go have a seat!
it's not theft it's rubbery and massacre.
I think some of them left their common senses in their homeland.
They should go back to claim it!
Nice
Yea man, it is sad that no matter how intellectual and educated someone is, he still can be blinded by his own ideology
Lol 😆
@HIghland I think you think history is a joke.
Their god promised them a land not a common sense. 😂
To the one who said to the Palestinians who want to return “look at the future and build where you are already”
Why don’t you say that to thousands of Jewish people emigrating to Israel every year?
No shit.
Hey dumb ass if you didn't know, israel is the one country that pushes for massive migration into Europe but not into israel, they infact believe to usher in biblical prophetic end time events and actively want christianity and the west destroyed to obtain this goal
@@Rokmononov He says it about a country who selectively allows/encourages people of a particular religion to immigrate. What other country on earth says that only people of a specific religion can be given citizenship. Not even the Islamic theocracies of the gulf provide citizenship to people based on religion. Israel is alone in this sense
Or tell them (Israelis) to go back to their native countries in Europe and rebuild there...
@ཏྦཱལ་ག་པོ། my claim to the land? I make no claim to that land at all. As to black Jews though, thats a very American thing. There are a few old Jewish tribes still in Africa, but I don't know how inclined they are to leave their ancestral homelands to go to Palestine for nothing in particular.
The second guy is everything. Peace, love and acceptance.. that's all we need.
eh i found him to be a bit insensitive. he basically told the palestinians to take a chill pill
"if I don't steal your house, someone else is going to steal it"- Yaqub, Israeli settler, 2021
it wasnt worded well...
Can't wait to try that argument if l ever get pulled over driving someone else's car that was reported stolen just a couple of nights earlier.
@@tmak4699 lol I think it was worded well by that Israeli settler since he came from the US🤔
No way was his name actually Yaqub xD
Maybe his name is Jacob
"Better the Italians than the Palestinians"
"Why?"
"I want to live in Italy"
🤣🤣🤣
I am begging u take theeeem
@@emanrayan560 You misunderstand. He is saying he would happily live in Italian occupied promised land.
@@emanrayan560 But don't worry. It won't be the Italians. It will be America. We will set the land free for all people who will live under the rule of law.
@@adamappell1212 the rule of law isn’t even followed in the US. -.-
@@TheContinens What? Are you referring to citizens? Of course people break laws. The rule of law was not created because people are enlightened creatures shooting rainbows out of their asses. The rule of law is the righteous mechanism for a population to set it's societal standards and enforce them. Even religions have the rule of law principle. There is no other way for an advanced society to exist.
I cant stop laughing at seeing all of them stumble over there words lmao. Just own it haha.
Theres a difference ancient romans already have Italy the jewish people didnt have any land and were a different group inside other countrys and were treated as such. They needed a place of their own and they chose this land because its where they have historic relation to, if they would have chosen any other land they wont belong in it. In israel their culture ties them to the land so it feels like home.
@@soldier6173 so it's fine to push someone else from their land and home I think both groups can live together without stealing someone else land and chase them from their homes.
@@yaseenmeyer8452 The jewish settlers didn't start the war, when they first arrived they bought lands from the locals to settle in or built their own settlements in the empty lands, only after Israel has been announced as a country and got the recognition as one from the rest of the world the Palestinian side decided they desrved more of the land or all and started a war against Israel with the help of ALL the neighboring country allies they had of the arab world, they lost and as a result also lost some lands (because thats how wars are won its not a kill deammatch and whoever reaches the death score first loses). Since then they haven't stopped attempting to recover this land by terror attacks or and daily rocket attacks on civilian citys close to the border (because of limited power, they wish to launch a rocket on a main large city like tel-aviv) and as a result pushs Israel to attack harder in an attempt to stop those attacks making the Palestinians usually lose even more land (fyi they have been offered peace deals but they declined those claiming all of the land belongs to them).
The only ones keeping it going is them. (And I dont blame all the population I'm sure atleast some would agree to peace under reasonable terms to both sides but their current leaders are what we actually deal with which won't agree to peace if its not all the land)
Sorry for the long essay lol
@@soldier6173 I'm fine with that but what we know you and I is that besides buying the land the settlers and the government is stealing the land. How does anyone feel if your home or land is stolen a person's home is their gem.
@@yaseenmeyer8452 As I said the land that was taken was taken because of war to weaken the enemy and to empower yourself, its simply war which as I said the Israelis didn't start.
Imagine someone knocks on your door and tells you he used to live there before you did and now you have to leave cause the place rightfully belongs to him.
just imagine if some stranger come to your house and tell you to leave coz that house belong to his ancestor a millenia ago based on his family record
Yeah, America would lose 98% of it's population.
The word your looking for is reparations ...
@@Nia979 meaning?
@@nandarizki5475 Meaning based on family records as you stated .. they could prove that the land was in fact still theirs and has to be returned back or has to be paid for by current people who now own the land. That’s what AAs are asking for due to building an entire country for free. NAs because the land was completely stolen from them.
@@Nia979 what prove and who release that prove?
fascinating!
hol up
Jesus(PBUH)!
According to prophecy in the end of the time, Jesus will fight Jews' God (Wrong mesiah) in future. Have best luck !
@@StaryzHelios according to the Spelling Bee, you failed.
Hello Isa
Basically, we are thieves but don’t dare call us that 😂😂
Alleh Baastraad - 7 2 howuris and rivier of alcoohool in jenna
Machmad Baastraad - 1 1 wives, no children, peddophile, aiyesha proctitute, cameel pee drianker, buruk fly ing donnkiey rider.....
Machmad also marryed his own son zayyad waife zayyanab...
Kabba and asba al hajaar vagena stone
zaam zaam cameil ureene drainkers
Muuuutaah hallalla nikkah proctitues
Comets and meteors are missles for iblisa?
Sun sets in muddy spring of water and prostrates before alleh ?
@Qasim nonsense, islemic conquests resulted in devastation, which history book u are reading? many good empires and kings were replaced by oppressive jizuya collecting fat pos in all provinces....ever heard about the bloodiest invasions of indea and afrka and caucasus central asia ? oppressive wars by islemic dev ils ...
@@redblueyellowprimarycolors1801 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Joe Kangeroo wow that's some colonizer mind set it's scary af
When muslim conqured jerusalem
Uthman did not accept the invite to go to the sinogoge to pray as he feared that sinogouge would be turned into a mosqe but prayed in an open field where now stands a mosque.
Unlike crusaders we did not kill jew or cristians nor evict them...
Jews should learn from their historial their history...their religion golden age was in muslim land under muslim protection.
Judaism now 70 percent secular or reformist(who are more cultural not believe in God many a time)
How much fallen... Tsk tsk
The first guy had his whole world rocked by that first question
"Palestinians didn't build this land, therefore it's mine".
Well then, I guess it's time for me to stake my claim in a whole lotta empty US states. I think I'll start with Wyoming?
Alaska is empty too
@@hahaFunny-d8x
Alaska?
BTW, I'm a mosquito repellent lotion salesman. Call me when you need my product.
I’ll be at your service my king, Wyoming is yours
It really worked this way at some point, less so the US but a lot in Australia.
That argument really hurt to hear when he said that. People said the same thing in the US as an excuse to move forward with things like westward expansion, the trail of tears, genocide of native Americans, and many people even act like we don't exist anymore
Professor Eric Fromm, Jewish writer: "If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse." - Jewish Newsletter, Feb. 9, 1959
Which is why the Jews didn't embrace Zionism until the rise of fascism. It proved necessary.
@bob smith Jews were not exactly just “affected by a dictatorship” you realize?
@@JohnJE123 From Noam Chomsky's Fateful Triangle (pg.91): "President Wilson's King-Crane Commission reported in 1919 that "the Zionists look forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine" and estimated that the latter - "nearly nine-tenths of the whole - are emphatically against the Zionist programme." The Commission warned that to subject them to this program "would be a gross violation of the principle of self-determination, and of the people's rights..." The Commission, while expressing "a deep sense of sympathy for the Jewish cause," recommended limitation of Jewish immigration and abandonment of the goal of a Jewish state." This conclusion, Chomsky notes, was disregarded by the great powers, including the U.S.
As an African I'm deeply offended, although not surprised by this quotation.
#Disgusting
@bob smith Show me how your community is persecuted in your diaspora, in practically every corner of the world, then we'll talk.
I love how they know why this question is being asked yet they still try to beat around the bush with a bunch of nonsense. This video deserves more attention. FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Its kind of a stupid question tho, as romans conquered israel, whereas the jews were native on the land and expelled
Romans conquered the land, jewish did gradual inmigration (allowed by the british) and then the conflict started, is a very different situation
@Ararune well, palestine was in fact under british rule before 1948. When they left jews were already living there rightfully as inmigrants
There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part.
A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. Almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevitable mean perpetual war.
Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right?
What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
@@fede1324ee
More likely them kosher deceptacon hex-nuts infiltraited and subverted the roman empire --- like they do anywhere that has forgotten history .
So why would the (UN) holy roman empire (now the billionaire bankster pedophile preistclass rothschild secret Lucifarian devilopers cult) want to reposses what they already own ?
Pesky unruly indigenous peoples are always in their way .
@Ararune
That's just how crafty canaanites roll ...
4:38
DOUBLE STANDARDS
He say we take the land because they where some Jews living here THOUSANDS of years ago
And then,
He say let's forget what happens just 70 years ago and Palestinians can't take-back their land now !?
Speechless!?!?!?
THANK YOU. As an Italian-American married to an Iranian, I've been asking this question since I was a teenager. I didn't find that anyone could answer it well, especially when you brought up the Canaanites.
They can come and try to take it if they want... also Jews were there before Romans... we have tried to make partition plans with Palestinians but they never agree 🤷♂️
I would answer the Romans that Israel was never their true state since they conquered it from the Jews ("Judah") and called it Palestine after their biggest enemy the Philistines, by the way the name means "invader" / "invaders". And to give a recent example, this is similar to the Nazis calling Israel the state of Hitler. In addition, since Roman rule over the State of Israel, it has only been under the control of other foreign empires, such as the Byzantines, the Ottomans, and the Berets. Then I would remind the "Romans" that the UN divided the country into Jewish and "Roman" but the Romans and their leaders refused and started a war on Israel in order to destroy and failed, and more than once, so called the day of the declaration of the two states (Jewish and Palestinian) "Nakba". Thus, the question in this video is completely wrong historically and factually
I don't see how the question makes any sense since there was already a Jewish state well before the Roman colonisation of the region. The Jewish Kingdom of Judah existed in the 8th century BC and is well attested by archeological records such as the Nimrud tablet, King Ahaz's Seal and the Khirbet Beit Lei inscription. Meanwhile the Roman province of Judea was established in the 1st century AD.
Asking what if the Romans decided to reconquer Israel is like asking what if the Macedonians decided to reconquer Iran. The fact that people think this is some kind of gotcha question sadly just goes to demonstrate how woefully little most people know about ancient history, or just history in general.
Love from another Iranian , married to an Indian 🤘😍
@Abhishek Mhatre
How about the part when he mentioned Canaanites ? Can you share some wisdom on that or you too selectively chose part of the history that suits the agenda ??
I'm from the Netherlands and I want New York back! #newamsterdamforever
@Shafigh Khalili I don't know if y'all got enough left to fill it but go on
New Amsterdam*
As an American I support the Dutchmans claim to New York. In fact you can take New Jersey too!
I am from spain and I want the Netherlands back!
As a native new yorker take it in blood lol
I like the second guy, it is ironic that he is a dominos delivery driver, yet speaks by far with the most sense.
He is also in Med school
Just happen to know him
Why is it important what he does for work???
@@GPBKM cuz people jump around saying "i studied history and literature" then they go on spitting nonesense
@@itamarbeeri3622 Salvation* can be found in no other name under Heaven other than THE NAME of Jesus THE CHRIST/BSHEM *YESHUA* HA MASHIACH. for HE alone IS THE ONLY WAY THE ONLY TRUTH and THE ONLY WAY to Eternal life and no one gets to HASHEM/GOD ecept through HIM. so i only ask all who are here if not already to please choose this day to trust in YESHUA HA MASHIACH that HE died in your place to make atonement for your sins that was seperating you from GOD so that by believing this and trusting in HIM that HE rose from the grave that you too by believing in HIM will one day rise from the dead and have eternal life and be saved from The Terrifying Wrath of HASHEM that is to come to all who reject YESHUA as THE MESSIAH of Israel and SAVIOR of The Whole World that HE rightly, truly IS. i ask please do this so that even today will be your *Day of Salvation*
amazing format. would you consider working with people in other areas to spread the unfiltered style. for example ukraine/donbas.
The Domino’s delivery person has more sense than everyone else, if I reconquer Judea I will make him governor.
I to the comments wanting to say the same thing. That Domino's delivery guy was calm and sensible in a way I rarely see anyone discuss this conflict. I hope he's doing well.
More time to think, more time to reason and evaluate what truly matters.
Dont you mean "when" instead of if
@@alirazi9198 at this point it is a big "if" as my backlog of potential conquests is very big.
Beautifully said. Kudos to people like him.
Strange country where a delivery guy is the most reasonable human being.
not indoctrinated by the same extend as the others perhaps?..
You'll find the same in America, believe me
@@jmccann6735 because the average Arab or Palestinian is totally free of brainwashing ...
You are living in a land of ideological possession confirmation bias and echo chamber
This alternate universe is wild.. I don't want to stay.
Why? In your mind are "delivery guys" not capable of rational thought? Elitist
"We are strong." - Says the guy being pushed in a wheelchair.
If that isn't the most perfect metaphor for Israel I don't know what is.
Without U.S. military backing Israel could not exist.
So irony right. Feel so arrogant while on wheelchair
Yes, but Zionists hold the US by their financial balls.
well actually the USA never fought for israel. Do you know for whom the fought thou kuwait. Do you know where the USA is not having any navalbases nor military airports? yes in Israel! do you know where they have lots of them? in Quatar. Jordan, Irak, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Turkey.
Do you know alongsite whom the USA fought in the middle east so far ? Kuwait, Saudi Arabi, UAE,
Do you know alongsite whom they not fought with their own troops? Israel.
So there is almost no country in the middleeast that is more capable of standing on its own.
Israel has close ties to the US both economicaly first and foremost, but also in military industry.
BUT unlike countries like Saudi Arabia or Irak, Israel is doin its own development own recruitment and Training. The current Iraki Army basically is 100 percent geared up with american vehicles and weapons.
The Israelis are building their own tanks, rifles, Drones, using German Submarines, buying Us fighterjets, and buidling their own rocket defense.
So saying israel would only exist because of the USA is straight out bullshit.
Btw israel has Nuklear weapons just saying.
Us aid is forced on us not a choice. If they can get away with murdering us naval officers they can do anything to usa. Google uss liberty
@@Mustafa2892 The USA is litteraly the strongest Military might on earth, Both the USA and Israel are agreeing that the USS Liberty incident was a cause of friendly fire. Sure you can make conspiracy theories all day long, if you want to.
A therapist specialized in cognitive dissonance would become a billionaire in that place
domino pizza guy was the only human being in this video
Yeah im surprised, he's well versed in the history and have a good grasp of reality. He do be livin'
No he was ill informed and ignorant. He just came across well.
Yeah sadly its very rare to see a human being in Israel....
Dinosaurs want their land back.
The world: oh shet
They were there first GOD GAVE THEM THE LAND. millions of years ago.
@@jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897 no cap only facts
@@jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897 exactly and hating on them is just anti dinotic.
@@evangelesong6319 hahahahah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@evangelesong6319 🤣🤣🤣
Hippocracy feels guilty after watching this video bcz it failed to came near to their levels !
Hypocrisy* agreed.
First of all, borders are defined by post-war international agreements, and Israel was founded based on the decision of the most important international organization after the Second World War; this organization still exists today and its legitimacy is recognized by the large majority of the countries. Secondly, Romans were occupiers and not indigenous population like Jews, and btw, Jews being indigenous to this land is the major reason of the UN's above mentioned decision.
That first guy just blatantly contradicted himself and now he's trying to justify it.
Lol 😂
We can take our land back but italians ?? How dare they talk about this !?? Its our land !!
5:30 There was nothing when `we' came here. (Besides a few hundred thousand people and their villages and institutions and orchards...).
they are opportunists who came here over the years bro
don't buy their bullshit that they are the same people who lived there 2000 years ago and were arabized /isalmized.
@@doravraham2398 that’s a stretch.
80 % + of palestinians were here for a long time
classic colonizer rationale
@@59DGO59 not even from the start of the islamic era.
I guess the millions of refugees across the borders and around the globe are imaginary.
He talks about how Palestine doesn’t diversify quote they just destroy but how on earth can the build anything when you turn them into specks and close all access to the world for them tf
Yes agree..there restricted all movement..resource..that their frutifull land...how can they develop as county.
Ask yourself, why does Israel restrict access?
What about the Aboriginals, the Maori, the different Indian tribes in USA etc etc. Fact is that the Palestinian people lived for centuries in this land. They where kicked out in 1948, and this is still ongoing with the Israeli settlers occupying illegally land chasing away Palestinian people from their homes and their olive trees. Its beyond any discussion that the attack in October was brutal and criminal. Nothing can justify this. On the other hand, the world seems to forget about the Palestinian people and the fact that settlers are continuing to kick them out of their family homes. So maybe this act of violence was a cry for help, like an act of suicide which is also an ultimate cry for help.
Spot on. Exactly what oct 7th was. A last ditch effort to stop normalisation of ties between the Arabs and israel. Time will tell if it has worked. But the world’s citizens are certainly paying more attention then ever.
Some serious discourse from the Domino's guy on break. Respect.
the only one actually saying something
Him and the guy who said “yes, I’d like to live in Italy”
A few good ones
Yes he was super chill
Bruh. was HIGH ..!!!
Ok
These are real people. This isn’t a parody or a script. It’s quite profound.
Jews were in Israel before the Romans
@@captainnutsack8151 yeah Jews. Palestinian jews. The Israelis state isn’t represented by native people. It’s jews from all over the world that come together and occupied
@@captainnutsack8151 canaanites were there first
@@captainnutsack8151 should we all go back to land borders of 3800 years ago? Or is it just that 1 religion out of 4000+ ?
@@captainnutsack8151 religious prevalence of a specific time when it was home to some Jewish people amongst others, is a nonsense argument, to evict people who have been there in the centuries since.
"We will throw them out."
Yes, that's exactly your attitude.
Yeah fam let's promote baby killing. I mean Israel
@@sebo12345 Arabs prefer to hire kids into armies instead
@@yoshypl9901 dude get a life
@@sebo12345 he’s not wrong 😬
@@justsomeguywithoutamustach9072 yes he is. Israel are the ones with a mandatory IDF service for everyone, that means every young adult is enlisted to fight, so go learn some facts.
It's amazing those that say "They left. They don't have any right. We would fight" but then don't follow that that is the same answer Palestinians have.
Ask them more questions to make them more confused 🤣
Infact this guy is a Jew
So no matter how hard-push he is doing on the Jews in this video, there is limit, I doubt that*.
What if romans conquer and get it back the land huh?? and then what if Greece wants it back from the romans, what if the Persian wants it back from the Greek, what if Eygyptian wants it back from the Persian, what if , if the Assyrian wants it back from the Eygypt... And what if, if the asyrian agree to not conquer the parts of areas... Then Israel and judah will be two big kingdom surrounded by damuscus kingdom, moab kingdom, edom kingdom and feww others in present day Israel and small parts of jordan.Syria lebanon and Eygypt...
Therefore actually this is a stupid question....
The original Palestinian were never one big nation or tribe but rather it was made up of different ethnic Group the word Palestine in Hebrew "to invade" Ancient Hebrew called them Hitites, they were invader and never a major tribe in the region so called present day Israel..... Only after Arab(Muslim) invasion, there official language changed from syraic ( almost similar to aramaic) to Arabic... Present Palestinian were mix with Arabs majority of the Palestinian today has the blood of Arabs...
@@Merlin_Chhana4 so would you say where are you from > ?
@@ahmedikawika2204 😄😄..I'm from India..
@@Merlin_Chhana4 as always indians want to join the racists team against Muslims for sure
"You shall not covet your neighbour’s house" - Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), 1500 BC
"If I don't steal your home, someone else gonna steal it" - Yaakob, A Jewish settler, 2021 AD
@trollnerd Don't know if you're trolling. There's also something as having moral standards and not doing something because it's an opportunity for you and others. This is exactly what's wrong with the world...
@trollnerd I never justified them liar, I just said many times what was the reason for those rockets... your arguments are weak. Stating a reason doesn't mean justifying that reason, dishonest ad hominem. I dear you to quote me where I did justify bombings!? And even when I did justify them, which I didn't, that still doesn't make it right to steal people's homes because others can. What's wrong with you? Taking my words out of context and deflecting the subject doesn't mean you are right, ... I'm pretty sure you're the person that would call Israel their bombing being self defense, hypocrite. And did you really use search engines to try and find dirt on me so you can use a tu quoque falacy? It's really telling how dishonest you are... How much does Netanyahu pay you to be his zionbot?
:tumbleweed:
@trollnerd Hamas is an unintended consequence of Israeli occupation, brutality and apartheid. Israel should in fact blame itself for Hamas. Far right people like Arieh King, Naftali Bennett are the reasons why Hamas exists. Arieh King, deputy mayor of East Jerusalem, himself said in a sky news interview that he doesn't care about international law, instead putting all the blame on the Muslims as well as the Christians. In another clip he is seen taunting a Palestinian injured by a bullet. People like Arieh, Naftali and Netanyahu are a threat to human civilisation. While children die in Gaza, the far righters dance and celebrate in front of the western wall. Such a shame.
@trollnerd Not buying, stealing. If the Israelis actually buying the houses at market price of their high demand, I don't think any Palestinian would object to that and would just go live abroad with their money from selling their houses. But that's not the case.
What seems like an absurd question, turns out to be actually a good one.
Not because the analogy is 100% the same, but just because it made the majority of the Israelis interview think and go "huh, yeah, why is that different?". I think regardless of the validity, this making people think, question the narrative and for a moment look at matters from another perspective, is positive.Well done.
Yeah dude they were getting nervous lmaooo
Not everyone can debate this topic properly.
The analogy is absolutely not the same.
That's like saying "I killed the man and took his life" and be labeled a murderer but saying "I killed a man and took a life of a man after he raped my wife and children" totally changes the story and the outcome.
Key word here is circumstance. The circumstance of Israel's creation is WW2 and the holocaust, political social and economic chaos.
If Italy decides to conquer the Roman empire it would be... Literally uncalled for.
Jews wanting a place to live where they won't be prosecuted for only being Jewish after years of genocide really sounds that obsurd and unacceptable?
That is one reason why the analogy is wrong.
It is indeed not a perfect analogy and I doubt anyone would claim it is. It’s rather a moot point in my opinion. It goes without saying that it isn’t. What it does do is make one think and I think that is good.
I think you're missing the point, but that's fine. It can be a flawed question and still provide interesting answers, and make people think. And that it did.
The analogy is flawed, but it needn't be perfect for people to be caught off guard and look at things from a different perspective..
If anything it can help bring people more together in stead of further apart. Surely none of us should be apposed to that. That's just my €0,02
I’m sorry too and I understand why it is. I hope you can move past it. When there are hopeful answers to infuriating questions, I know which ones I’m focussing on.
This whole channel is filled with flawed questions that are scientifically imperfectly delivered. That’s not the point though. The value is in the answers. I believe it is doing a great service to not just this cause, but to humanity.
fun fact, in the 19th century some French politicians (among whom, Victor Hugo it saddens me to admit it) used that exact argument to justify French colonisation. The discourse was that France was part of the roman empire and the Roman empire was once in North Africa, so at the end of the day France taking Algeria was just them "RETURNING back to it". Victor Hugo used the analogy of Rome a lot, saying that France should be the new Rome casting the light of civilisation over Africa the same way Rome cast the light of civilisation over Mediterranean territories. It was actually a "progressist" stance on the left side of the political spectrum because other colonialist politicians on the right side of the political spectrum like French minister Jules Ferry believed in race theory and the superiority of the white race and believed it was the right of the superior races to subjugate inferior ones. Victor Hugo was being progressist by saying that there's no super "race" as all humans were created equal but there IS superior civilisations, that the Romans were superior to Berbers and that the French colonisation should be a "mission civilisatrice" = a civilizing mission, so the "Romans of today" (French) should go BACK to Berber territories to civilize Berberians.
The apeal for the idea of French people being Roman descendants and going back to their old lands in Africa became popular with the release of the novel "Salambo" by french writer Gustave Flaubert which tells the story of a romance taking place in Cartagena at the time of the Roman Empire. With the popularity of the book came a curiosity and fascination for North Africa and Cartagena which was in what is now Tunisia, so the fandom of this book became very eager at the idea of "taking back" those places.
I imagine that a lot of these fans wanted to go there for the same reasons that nowadays some people want to go to Korea to visit the setting of their favorite Korean TV series. And thinking that on top of that they had some sort of ancestral legitimacy to the land made them go full colonization supporters.
And what's wrong with that? France improved water sanitation in North Africa. Anticolonialism is evil, civilizations always spread.
Explain how any of this is immoral. And why Algerians decided to move right back to France to enjoy their standard of life.
You can see him having his "are we the baddies?" Moment in his head.
Great Mitchell & Webb reference.
LOL
Attack on titan paradox ,
you are the real enemey moment :)
The question itself is absurdly stupid.
The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy,
The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria,
The Babylonians to Babylon,
The Greeks to Greece,
The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula,
And the Bitish to Great Britain.
The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland.
There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel.
But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign.
And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire.
Which makes all of them colonizers.
The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world.
And who all these different people colonized?
The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
@magnumopus1628 what about the canaanites and amalekytes that are of Arab tribes ?
U know the ones who's babies u smashed against rocks ?
"They have been busy destroying instead building" what kind of argument is that to justify a war objective? It's not like invading them would improve their situation
It's obviously a biased comment that guy made, however, as the last person said, the historical parallel doesn't work. The Jews didn't take Israel by force. Please read how the 1948 war started. And, don't get me wrong, I understand, in part, why that violence bursted, but, nonetheless, the jews were not the instigators, they needed a land at a moment were they were being dangerously persecuted in many countries. Of course, religion plays a role in the incendiary nature of the conflict but historically, they did not instigate the violence. There were many problems with the creation of Israel, and most of them were not Israel faults, or palestinians' for that matter (try Britain or/and the UN, but mostly Britain).
Also, it's ignoring the fact that when you're living in an open-air prison where 90% of water is not safe for human consumption....that's not exactly an ideal environment for tech start-ups.
Yeah it’s a propaganda bias answer. Imagine your people build just for Israel to bomb it. That’s exactly why Palestinians aren’t building anything because they are wasting their resources building something the Israel military is just going to bomb down and destroy.
@@straysheep5312 I wouldn't say that's the reason because they DO build, but it certainly does play a role in the priorities they have. But, yeah, definitely propaganda bias.
it's not like US tax money goes to palestine but to israel helping them build their own stuff.
The first guy face when Palestine issue being brought up 🤣🤣. He was like " Oh shit, I shouldn't said that. Now, I need to cover my shit back."
@HIghland Tell that to Canaanites. They still exist in Lebanon. You should give that land to them if we're going by YOUR logic 🤣.
@@zer0ix956 yeah i want my land back ngl😔🤝
@Highland Really? I am LOL
@HIghland Arafat isn't a terrorist he is what we call " a resistance leader " of course against the Israeli occupation
@HIghland Ibrahim born in iraq , traveled to Palestine have a baby issac whom have jacob ( israel ) then him and his sons left to Egypt, how that makes him the owner of the land .
Just for people commenting about "todays Italians" - ancient Roman empire was not Italians ! Many migrations happened after, 14 Emperors were Ilyrians (today's Croatians - Dalmatia and Albanians), also soldiers were from different areas of Empire as well.
Anyone who knows but of Italians and their war history will know there is no material Empire soldiers
The best answer so far, " I want Italy to conquer because I want to live in Italy" Ahahahahahha/ Bro why dont you immigrate there?
@Ararune I know. It was a pun response. :P
Domino's guy is my kind of chill dude, bless his life
Yeah he sounded like a cool guy, but at the end the dissonance was still there. Statute of limitations for 70s years but not for 2000 years lol
@@hansfrankfurter2903 I think he was talking about the possibility of "jews claming back their land which they were banished from in Iraq, Syria, Tunisia etc.." indeed 70 years ago.. Not 2000 🤷♂️
@@hansfrankfurter2903 I think you misunderstood. He brought up a statute of limitations in reference to jews claiming land, because their ancestors were supposedly living there some thousand years ago. He's saying that by that logic people from different backgrounds could claim land all over the world. So it doesn't really makes sense and people should try to have a good life where they are now.
@@amitromano3 nah he was being asked about Palestinian refugees from 1948.
@@Art_Vandelay_Industries the way I heard it , it was about Palestinians refugees from 1948
First guy couldn't just answer the question lol
2balls1man indeed he started talking shit it's funny how they all justify their thing
That would likely be because it's a dumb question. The Romans didn't lose their land. All of the ethnic peoples that were in the Roman homeland and its various vassal states are still there and have been there this whole time except the Jews. Much confusion has been caused by the Roman citizenship given to soldiers in the Roman army who were not ethnically Italian (the general term for Romans today, although many Tuscans are technically Etruscan whom Rome overthrew) but wherever they chose to settle, their descendants are still there. So the Romans didn't lose their home land, only their power over other people's homelands. Why would they want it back?
Jerry Carr III I know we are the true Yisrael. They know as well.......
Too many people don't really think about these kind of stuff.
Rae Daily Who doesn't want power, right?
It's not a dumb question at all. Europe is now predominantly Christian, and generally speaking, when people speak of the Roman Empire, they immediately think of europe, hence the question. You can never rule out the possibility of a Christian uprising that demands back the land they once ruled (which is the Jewish glasshouse argument).
You weren't able to answer the question at all, let alone ridicule it.
The question is still plausible.
You do not occupy anyone's land. If even they are poor or uneducated. Nothing justifies occupation. Time to leave that land 🙂
Their faces when he says it.
They know it's true.
Ibno Zizou you're so right. It's amazing how baldfacedly hypocritical and contradictory people can get and expect you not to say anything.
This is very much like Game of Thrones.
Ibno Zizou Except that whites never claimed to have been there 3000 years ago. They just conquered a land, fought, won and built a country. There was no USA when the settlers arrived, no infrastructure. The Amerindians were a number of tribes and they currently enjoy all sorts of rights.
you probably never studied the maximum extensions of roman empire...
Ihsahn Åkerfeldt Actually.. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to America stole that idea from the Iroquois league. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured. Not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans. You should also take into consideration that most of the tribes of North America became extinct due to the diseases and warfare the Europeans brought with them. Indians today are still treated like garbagge, especially when they try to protect any sacred mountain or location and private security companies are hired to set trained dogs loose on them, while the government doesn't do shit to stop destroying the envoirment. Yes Indians enjoy the right to be mauled by dogs for defending nature and their culture.
"Let them come, I will fight them"
Most Israeli answer to this question lmao.
The Mental Gymnastics Taking Place 🤸
Try to find the mental gymnastics here, point it out & quote it:
I see it as a matter of Equality of Ethics VS Palestinain Excpetionalism, though I don't agree with a lot of the reasoning used:
There was nothing wrong with Palestinians or anyone else trying to get independence or protect their country, it is the hanging on forever to the past & commitment to the destruction of the Other is the "Palestinian Exceptionalism" part.
A fundamental problem is Palestinian Exceptionalism imo. The truth is, almost all countries on earth were conquered at some point, yet people moved on & chose peace, except for Palestinians. If Romans would come back in time & re-conquer it, then after a fight & a loss, then they too should soon accept defeat & move on the same as everyone else, or seek independence without destruction of the new Roman state. Better than seeking the Destruction of Israel & perpetual war as Palestinians do today, & are taught to by their culture - which inevidable mean perpetual war, isn't it?
Would you demand Muslims give Istanbul(Constantinople) back to the Christians? Or course not, right?
What is the difference with Palestinian Exceptionalism?
What do you think?
@@pebblepod30 Please Look up Any Anti Zionist Jews and How they want a free Palestine and Why. They will tell you more than any person in the comments or anything they will show you here.
@@pebblepod30 God's Not A Real Estate Agent
@@pebblepod30 They are supposed to live in exile untill the return of the messiah and the building of the 3rd temple and only then they will be allowed to create the Kingdom of Israel
that delivery guy in 4:49 saying "look at what you have now " is ridiculous .... imagine if the guy interviewing told him can i have your phone? and the guy said sure here you go.... then the interviewer says ok this is my phone now and you should forget about the past and create something new with what you have now.
"I want to live in Italy" :D Best ever.
Italians or Romans
Quick go to Israel now！ Claim.your ancestral land
I have a feeling that guy had been day driving! Haha
Seemed like a sharp dude actually.
They all look guilty as sin when they realise the context of the question then struggle to hide it ...smh
its a very easy question to answer. 1. it was legally given to them by the British who were the last to conquer it. 2. if we are going back in history, jews had an independent state before the Romans too.
@@menachr LEGALLY by British. Nice point.
The Germans practiced self determination. Jews "Well that's different, we have a book that says the land is ours"
@@whome6415 the Germans already had a country and land in the 30's they weren't exercising self-determination they were exercising extermination and world domination. Israel did not have to conquer the land with a war, they did have to defend it through war though.
@@menachr The idea that other people could tell Germany which lands they were entitled seems remarkably similar.
First guy be like : we should divide the land on the basis of population.
Alright then go ahead give half of the world to Indian's and chinese.
He meant the people groups living in that land should decide who rules them.
Yo that was hilarious 🤣😂
@@alfrredd He forgot to mention the part where they genocide the other group first, so no one is left to share the land with....
AmeriKKKans be all like, wait, if we have to share the land, who will live on the reservations without running water or power?
@@rhianimal19 At this point Israel state is too powerful and has so many allies it can't be erased. Palestine should aim for a sovereign state with full power over what remains of their land.
As a Roman, I want the land of our Grands back.
Wow wow wait a minute I’m Mongolian and I want my land back! I mean I want the world back🤣 by the way my country is literally on top of Byzantine and Roman architecture and ruins. You can have your wedding in one of the underground aqueducts today!
Mongol lose in MAJAPAHIT Indonesia
@@syaifulramadhan5812 nope
Second dude was legit. You could tell he had some compassion for their plight but also wasn't trying to politic his way around the answer. Everything he said was straight to the point.
Tbh, I agreed with him 100%.
I mean, should my husband's family go back to Iran and try to kick the people out who must live in their home now? It leads to permanent war, this kind of thinking.
i agree with him 90%
i dont agree with him on the 10% because the palestanian dont have to give their land or some of their land back to them.
if they did it, it will be because they are good people. But it will never be a "must"
idk why but i always have this idea to just divide the land like how they divide germany back then, with the capital also divided eventho its located more to the other side
@@rigjuice5022 never.
@@rigjuice5022 well i mean last time germany was divided hitler and their citizens lost their minds and started 2 world wars lol.
italians : "we want our lands back"
israelian : "no you cant, we have boundaries now"
palestines : "no you cant take our land, we have boundaries now"
israelians : "it was our land"
*Laughs in Terminus and his immoveable boundaries* Unless you're Trajan, then he can flip Terminus the bird until Hadrian popped along.
the funny thing is arabs were there too
there was never an independent state of Palestine. who's the "our" all those that stayed in the land in 48 got Israeli citizenship. and the rest were offered their own land multiple times. the UN legally recognized the state of israel in 48.
The question itself is absurdly stupid.
The Romans were indigenous to Rome and relatevly to Italy,
The Assyrians were indigenous to Assyria,
The Babylonians to Babylon,
The Greeks to Greece,
The Muslims to the Arabian Peninsula,
And the Bitish to Great Britain.
The jews are the only ones that did not import a foreing culture with the intent of assimilate this land to their homeland. There is no other homeland.
There never was a Jewish Empire, there never were Jewish colonies outside the Kingdom Of Israel.
But the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and British all came here as a people with a culture, religion, customs, food, language etc. that were all foreign.
And they all came with the specific intent to annex as much territories as possible to their Empire.
Which makes all of them colonizers.
The Ottomans were colonizers of minds and their primary focus was to forcefully convert everyone and arabize the entire world.
And who all these different people colonized?
The Hebrews. The only indigenous people of them all.
@@magnumopus1628 go learn about kingdom of khazar or khazari (sorry i forgot the name)
I like the first guy - you can hear his voice falter, the tremor indicates he has a conscience and can see the ludicrousness of his argument.