Yep! Cata might be the first "classic" I try. I only played the end of Cata back in 2010 or so, this and MoP is the only revisits I'll consider as a retail PvPer :)
@@krisumusic Playing sod rn and classic pvp just doesn't hit the same. World pvp is 9/10 times unbalanced one shots and unfair fights and with the new incursions added it seems the devs just want to get players into the phase endgame so they can beta test the new raids. Very excited for cata pvp, the class design as well as mop were just absolute peak for pvp. So much fun abilities added that made arena feel way more fresh and decisive compared to wrath.
@@Demonsouls1993 it really wasnt that bad until WoD where they removed so many iconic abilities from the game for no reason or just put some into talent tiers for some classes that really should've just remained baseline. MoP's talent system was essentially the same as Cata cuz almost everything that were in Cata trees were made basekit by that point, so the tier talent system only evened it out a bit in a sort of cookie-cutter style of sorts. It was necessary. It didn't ruin pvp at all lol. Might not be the same dopamine release as seeing a whole tree of different options and making different flexible builds, but MoP pvp is pretty widely loved & missed these days for other reasons and Cata Classic is essentially the MoP classic waiting room, because both expansions are quite similar with class designs and A LOT of people are playing it and enjoying again. You'd be truly surprised. Tbh many would say the ppl who hated Cata & MoP pvp was simply just cuz of skill issues, and it's not that far-fetched.
cata/mop are the goat pvp expansions looking forward to being able to play to win from coordinated setups & cc - additionally, its also nice that multiple playstyles are viable in this xpac.
I don't understand this title at all. It is somehow implying that PvP in Cataclysm was BAD but not as BAD as people think it was. PvP in Cataclysm was arguably the best it's ever been, and any negative critisicm that the expansion had received in the past had nothing to do with PvP.
I would disagree and most of the people playing at that time would have disagreed as well. Some of it may have been rose tinted glasses for bc/wrath I’m sure, but there was 100% a genuine feeling from the pvp player base at the time, that pvp in Cata was worse than the previous expansions. If you were active during that time and played with people that played during bc/cata, you would hear it from them. Cata and WoD pvp were generally not looked at favorably at the time, or looking back. People did generally love PvP gearing in WoD though.
@@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb If "nOsTaLgIa" is the only argument you have then don't even bother replying my friend. Always the weakest and laziest argument for everything.
ret paladins are probably the best off-healer with their word of glory crits healing 75% of someones health feral dream team supreme though. cant forget pyro/ignite/living bomb combustion spread on an entire enemy team. or frost dk Simulacrum getting wings, iceblock, seal of truth/light. cataclysm and pandaria are the best pvp expansions and make it easy for people like us with busy careers to get home and pvp at full potential with minimum grind
I just remembered the last two seasons of Cata were pretty balanced EXCEPT the bozos allowed legendary weapons in arenas which unbalanced it all over again.
Do you guys think you will reuse any of the old guides from original cata ? Like when it first released on retail. Or is everything going to be redone ?
Bro..what's the best spec for pala in Cataclysm, Holy or Retry? I like both, but based on, you know, retry being a good dps or holy being a good healer, which one it's the most useful in pvp?
The catchup system in cata was as good as live. The only downside is you only get like 100 pts a win or something to that effect when you finally do hit 85 and need to cap 25k conquest
I know it is an old video. Im not that big of a fan of Arena to tactical, i do like Bg´s in general more. How does the gearing work? in regards to bg´s dont need BIS but i also dont want rolled.
I mean, if you don't need to be the best of the best, any class/spec will get the job done. I love 2h Frost for PVP. Unholy is overall better, but why mess around with pet managment when Obliterate go brrrrr. BM still has some applications, even though I'd say the are more underrated for PVE dungeons since you bring Bloodlust if there are no shaman or mages in the group. Spirit beasts will give you some healing in BG's and if you want to focus on healers you always have devilsaurs.
would like to know if we can currently save 75k honor to go towards honor gear in cata or is it getting erased? also, whats the first set of gear can we get with honor? blood thirsty? trying ot find out more info when cata releases what i need to farm
you can save it but it wont be enough for cap. youll need like 2k arena points and full honor cap iirc. its also like 346 badges of triumph+frost for justice points cap. you can convert those to honor as well for like a 25% loss iirc
@@wladynoszhighlights5989 even just farming PvP gear takes forever though in wrath/TBC. Arena 5 set takes 2 weeks for every piece if you’re a average or below average player. Then add in weapons and rating requirements, you’re looking at 2 months give or take a few weeks. It’s a grind for sure if that’s still the case
In the latter seasons you say pve gear gets stronger in PVP..... I never raid so i'm wondering how much i'll be at a loss using only pvp gear? as an affliction warlock? for 2v2 and 3v3?
not really a massive loss because in general skill will always trump gear. that being said, the legendary items for rogue and mage make them literal god tier in another league, but in the final analysis you will be fine just using pvp gear.
Not a loss at all, I only run PVP gear which I got for free from BG’s and it’s god mode. I’m consistently top 5 in every bg with just PvP gear. Never ran a single raid in my life.
Any xpac where you have to PvE for the BiS PvP gear sucks. I guess it's fine if you're a loser that just sits home all day but some people want to log on for an hour or two, crush arenas and log off. Reasons why the PvP community across all xpacs in wow is extremely low.
Cata is the best pvp addon, i’ve started playing in tbc and even wotlk is not as good as cata, its the time when all the things you can do in the game had impact and perfect balance between grinding and getting something too easy. Same applies to arena and basically to each aspect in the game imo. So hyped for cata release
@@wladynoszhighlights5989 i never said that WotLK was any good/better :D I liked that every spell in WotLK had impact, but thats it. Cata is what caused WoW to break with the classic-gameplay and there were some good and bad design-decisions, yet since I started in Cata, thats one of my favorite xpacs anyway - despite not being the best IMO MoP was peak gameplay, where you could play almost every spec with new fun designs, before abilities got pruned
Do you think you can get an elite set items in 2s rating in a cata classic? In the past, I heard it could only be obtained through 3s and 5s and rated battleground. Will Blizzard patch this? I only play 2s so I'm worried I won't get the elite set items.
Don't worry about micro cc, they made sure they didn't inconvenient you with really short cc instead they made sure you will always enjoy the game while waiting for silences to finish, don't stress because if a silence finishes and you managed to not use your major defensives to not die through it you will always be sure to get at least another 2-3 more silences followed up! What your class doesn't have a silence? All good you can enchant it on your gear. If your trying to play a game that you can't actually play then cata is your best bet. I love the cc aspect of the game and as someone that started in Shadowlands the so called worst expansion when DF started I hated the way the game became so I decided to go back to classic because apparently that is when it was all about cc? Nope that is all a load of crap, I thought maybe I was just super bad but then I got to be the one with all the gear early and I realized very quickly that the reason all the pro's and the great arena players are so good is because when you know you have the best gear and can destroy everything in sight the game finally slows down and you can actually seee what is going on because your not focused on your HP bar the entire game. If your unemployed and have nothing going on and willing to get ahead of the curve then cata is 100% the game for you, you will see all the pro's and so called best players leave cata after the first season because that is when they can no longer just use their awesome teams of friends and endless partners to help them get ahead of the pack because skill won't matter and the game is all about who has no life and willing to truly give their entire life up just to be able to have fun in pvp. Welcome to Cata guys, have fun and all the best
MY PEAK ARENA RATE WAS IN CATA MY HIGHEST POTENTIAL I HIT 2.7 WITH 2 CLASSES IN 3's, it was INSANELY GOOD TO PVP IN CATA AND MOP WAS ALSO GOOD THOUGH , GREAT PVP EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT CLASS DESIGN SKILLS IT WAS ABOUT SETUP AND BRAIN FUNCTION , CLASSES ALSO DID DAMAGE OUTSIDE OF COOLDOWNS YOU DIDNT RELY ONLY ON YOUR BURST CD's
There truly will not be enough demand for this. Such a large chunk of good classic players have either quit after their initial nostalgia kick or have moved on to SoD. I have attempted to play WotLK the last few weeks and it's just spanish speaking players who are absolute dumpster fires when it comes to ability
Asking about arenas and RBGs specifically. You can play w/e you want in normal battle grounds and still feel you can make and impact. I’ve been stressing out on what class to play cuz i’m a ret main but with the over population of paladins its been impossible for me to find a guild/arena team
@@antos5329 You won't get invited to much. RBG's they will want an ele shaman. Enhance is just a really bad feral druid in Cata. Feral druid brings instant clones and semi ranged interrupt with way more survivability.
@@Levelity thats so unfortunate although I do have a feral druid I used to love my enh shaman back in the days was thinkin about going back but thinking lock or rogue now
@@andrecardoso6941 i dont think you understood the comment LOL, in other words this was the pinnacle of pvp for wow. Do you have reading comprehension issues or something or are you just that bone dry that you done understand analogies?
Dont really understand why people all of a sudden hate cataclysm pvp while I vividly remember it being regarded as the best pvp the game ever had, even into the next few expansions (lol MOP everything broken)?. Now its cool for the same players in the 26-2700 + bracket in cata to all of a sudden hate it. Even some streamers (hydra), will admit it was some of the best performance they ever had and experiences yet hate it?? I dont get it lol
I still remember 2 blood DKs teamed up and hit 2400 in arena...... warrior need a physical shield in their bag and binds it to a macro so to use pivotal abilities..... mage is stupid: deep frozen and biu biu biu~, enemy dies.
@@flavioromano8754 who didn't? mage in cata was completely OP: frost ring without casting, 3 shields, magic steal cost only 3% mana without CD, legendary staff,no worry about running out mana, easy but savage burst......🥱🥱🥱
I was playing private servers only before cata, it was my first retail experience... And it was so much worse than private wotlk that i came back for them untill wod
Problem with classic PvP is that the meta is completely figured out from day one. So every game is just meta comp Vs meta comp and no creativity or variety... No one wants to pop lay that - just look at wotlk PvP - completely dead.
Yeah, this makes me consider whether I even want to play Cata. Investing in S9 doesn't seem sensible if I have to prepare for S10 PvE to play by the rules of rng Gods to be viable on paper in PvP. I stuck through with WotLK. I'm glad I did but I won't do it again. The only saving grace if I were to change my mind is that I have 2 lvls 80s and they're both Ferail Druids.
@@donkeymule2 I can tryhard and fool around without sacrificing one for the other. And gearing up a lower Feral next to main Feral helps understand the class a bit better, too. Feeling the weakness of not having top tier gear makes you try other ways to get the kill or survive.
I save you time to understand PVP in cata. Go "Feral Druid/ Combat Rogue/ Unholy DK/ Retry Paladin/ MM Hunter/Frost Mage" or just dont play PVP at all. Theese are literally S tier and all other specs are down in B tier there's no need for "A" tier thats how overpowered theese specs are over all other in Cataclysm. :)
@@justinb8297 Your right Sub Rogues* my mistake, and Firemages also, they have literally all CC benefits of Frost Mage... Like... when their all specs can do well in PVP why warrior must have nerfed fury?
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tanks are great in cata pvp
i bet they gonna nerf snapshotting they allready did that for dk's
cata and mop is PEAK pvp imo
Yep! Cata might be the first "classic" I try. I only played the end of Cata back in 2010 or so, this and MoP is the only revisits I'll consider as a retail PvPer :)
im rly looking forward to playing mop pvp again@@krisumusic
Damn right, ppl keep shitting on these expacs yet these 2 are the only ones i'm excited about
You have no idea how bad I cant wait to play afflic loc in MoP lol. Was so fun.
@@krisumusic Playing sod rn and classic pvp just doesn't hit the same. World pvp is 9/10 times unbalanced one shots and unfair fights and with the new incursions added it seems the devs just want to get players into the phase endgame so they can beta test the new raids.
Very excited for cata pvp, the class design as well as mop were just absolute peak for pvp. So much fun abilities added that made arena feel way more fresh and decisive compared to wrath.
We really didn't know how good we had it with Cata/MoP
mop pvp wasnt that great and its due to the stupid talent revamp that nobody asked for
@@Demonsouls1993 it really wasnt that bad until WoD where they removed so many iconic abilities from the game for no reason or just put some into talent tiers for some classes that really should've just remained baseline.
MoP's talent system was essentially the same as Cata cuz almost everything that were in Cata trees were made basekit by that point, so the tier talent system only evened it out a bit in a sort of cookie-cutter style of sorts. It was necessary. It didn't ruin pvp at all lol. Might not be the same dopamine release as seeing a whole tree of different options and making different flexible builds, but MoP pvp is pretty widely loved & missed these days for other reasons and Cata Classic is essentially the MoP classic waiting room, because both expansions are quite similar with class designs and A LOT of people are playing it and enjoying again. You'd be truly surprised. Tbh many would say the ppl who hated Cata & MoP pvp was simply just cuz of skill issues, and it's not that far-fetched.
@@Demonsouls1993 I didnt play mop but Ive alwys heard great things about its pvp
The first playable PvP expansion has arrived
whats so good about it mate, just curious wanne try i think
@@mattifreshfan9111 Classes get more capabilities (like rogue healing) and take more skill to play optimally.
its a significant upgrade but got damn the dispell meta is bonkers
@@docterfreeze2918you mean rogues are overly overpowered and can out heal the damage? lol
@@artm5583 dealing less damage than 3% of their max hp every 3 seconds is a skill issue
cata/mop are the goat pvp expansions
looking forward to being able to play to win from coordinated setups & cc - additionally, its also nice that multiple playstyles are viable in this xpac.
I don't understand this title at all. It is somehow implying that PvP in Cataclysm was BAD but not as BAD as people think it was. PvP in Cataclysm was arguably the best it's ever been, and any negative critisicm that the expansion had received in the past had nothing to do with PvP.
I started in cata. I only pvp'd. They did something right or I wouldn't have kept playing
I would disagree and most of the people playing at that time would have disagreed as well. Some of it may have been rose tinted glasses for bc/wrath I’m sure, but there was 100% a genuine feeling from the pvp player base at the time, that pvp in Cata was worse than the previous expansions. If you were active during that time and played with people that played during bc/cata, you would hear it from them. Cata and WoD pvp were generally not looked at favorably at the time, or looking back. People did generally love PvP gearing in WoD though.
It was the best, only people complaining were the classic zombie andys that wanna press 2 buttons
Nostalgia got y’all falsifying memories
@@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb If "nOsTaLgIa" is the only argument you have then don't even bother replying my friend. Always the weakest and laziest argument for everything.
no waaaay, I am in the video too! 🤯😎
Vamos meytrix. Juguemos clasic una d elas mejores exp de pvp
You put in work for info on older xpacs bro u da goat lol
ret paladins are probably the best off-healer with their word of glory crits healing 75% of someones health
feral dream team supreme though. cant forget pyro/ignite/living bomb combustion spread on an entire enemy team. or frost dk Simulacrum getting wings, iceblock, seal of truth/light.
cataclysm and pandaria are the best pvp expansions and make it easy for people like us with busy careers to get home and pvp at full potential with minimum grind
I think cata and mop are the two best pvp expansions all time.
Great video by the way!
I agree with mop atleast
i reckon blizz should go back to snapshotting in retail it would make large scale pvp alot less of a lag fest and its a great form of skill expression
i want cata so much !
PVP for life!
In terms of not spamming retail gameplay and tons of random crap on the screen cata is HUGE W for me, can't wait to have a normal pvp again
I just remembered the last two seasons of Cata were pretty balanced EXCEPT the bozos allowed legendary weapons in arenas which unbalanced it all over again.
Legendary daggers sucked. PvE trinkets were what made it annoying. At least it wasn't as bad as Wrath's PvE items.
@@dongy762yeah, hate that I have to get half to 75% full raid bis to be geared for PvP
Legendary daggers weren't even that OP in PvP.
Do you guys think you will reuse any of the old guides from original cata ? Like when it first released on retail. Or is everything going to be redone ?
Everything will be re-done but might possibly include old guides if they are still relevant.
@@skillcappedwowpvpsweet bring back the Talbadar shadow priest guides plzzz
@@skillcappedwowpvp please bring back some of the old Tosan videos, those were top notch in every way.
@@skillcappedwowpvp any idea on timeline for these releases?
I wish they bring Tol Barad back as Epic Battleground.
I do too simply so I'm less likely to get put in Wintergrasp.
Cata pvp is the best pvp ever and no one can tell me otherwise
Agreed
100%
MoP was better. Everyone was broken, it was glorious.
The glory days of WoW PVP, playing Cata Feral looks so fun now!
2:08 name of the font, please!
Prototype
Bro..what's the best spec for pala in Cataclysm, Holy or Retry? I like both, but based on, you know, retry being a good dps or holy being a good healer, which one it's the most useful in pvp?
Really depends on the type of gameplay you want. I remember holy paly being a really good healer in arena though
Did you get conquest for winning a game rather than each week? I also hope you can catch up on alts later in the season
each week
The catchup system in cata was as good as live. The only downside is you only get like 100 pts a win or something to that effect when you finally do hit 85 and need to cap 25k conquest
I know it is an old video.
Im not that big of a fan of Arena to tactical, i do like Bg´s in general more.
How does the gearing work? in regards to bg´s dont need BIS but i also dont want rolled.
CATA PVP IS GOATED
is arena Personal rating where I can queue up with whoever I want like in retail or do I have to form a team etc?
Yes, its personal rating
What about BM Hunter? No comeback? :-(
I mean, if you don't need to be the best of the best, any class/spec will get the job done.
I love 2h Frost for PVP. Unholy is overall better, but why mess around with pet managment when Obliterate go brrrrr.
BM still has some applications, even though I'd say the are more underrated for PVE dungeons since you bring Bloodlust if there are no shaman or mages in the group. Spirit beasts will give you some healing in BG's and if you want to focus on healers you always have devilsaurs.
What classes would you say pair best with an unh dk and MM hunt in 2s? Thanks!
rogue
Arms Warrior is goated in Cata tbh.
video starts 1:53
hey, I'm a new player in WOW Classic and I want to focus on pvp, it looks like it will be difficult to learn it, but I hope I can handle it!
would like to know if we can currently save 75k honor to go towards honor gear in cata or is it getting erased? also, whats the first set of gear can we get with honor? blood thirsty? trying ot find out more info when cata releases what i need to farm
you can save it but it wont be enough for cap. youll need like 2k arena points and full honor cap iirc. its also like 346 badges of triumph+frost for justice points cap. you can convert those to honor as well for like a 25% loss iirc
@@Qatch1140 how you convert justice to honor?
Is gearing easier? Or does it take 2 months to get arena gear current season
It's the same as wrath, so yes. 2 months. Lol and a struggle bus til then.
@@pressm4n looks like cata is back off the menu boys
@@breadmanfun Its a bit faster since more PvP gear is bis instead of all PvE heroic raids
@@wladynoszhighlights5989 even just farming PvP gear takes forever though in wrath/TBC. Arena 5 set takes 2 weeks for every piece if you’re a average or below average player. Then add in weapons and rating requirements, you’re looking at 2 months give or take a few weeks. It’s a grind for sure if that’s still the case
@@breadmanfunthis guy is clueless . Gearing is way better than wrath
In the latter seasons you say pve gear gets stronger in PVP..... I never raid so i'm wondering how much i'll be at a loss using only pvp gear? as an affliction warlock? for 2v2 and 3v3?
not really a massive loss because in general skill will always trump gear. that being said, the legendary items for rogue and mage make them literal god tier in another league, but in the final analysis you will be fine just using pvp gear.
Not a loss at all, I only run PVP gear which I got for free from BG’s and it’s god mode. I’m consistently top 5 in every bg with just PvP gear. Never ran a single raid in my life.
Pumped for cata. Let’s go!
Any xpac where you have to PvE for the BiS PvP gear sucks.
I guess it's fine if you're a loser that just sits home all day but some people want to log on for an hour or two, crush arenas and log off. Reasons why the PvP community across all xpacs in wow is extremely low.
This 100%, hated it back then…and have zero reason to subject myself to that garbage now. No thanks!
But on the same coin. Any gear that is locked behind rating is the same principle, nerds who sit home all day doing 1000s of arenas.
Same thing.
everyone i respect that plays pvp around me cant wait for cata, i cant wait for cata. its going to be awesome.
everyone that plays actual pvp and is respectable plays retail
retail is so trash is not even funny come on now@@purplehaze9532
@@purplehaze9532 Some people prefer older expansions, but retail rn isnt as bad as bfa or SL in terms of balance
@@purplehaze9532so laynerz,avizura, mirlol, gekku , chan and albraiky aren’t respectable you mean?
@@kevinneparidze3973 why you talking about private servers players? And Chan plays a lot of retail he's even winning all the tournaments on retail.
how did thundergodx move his arena frames like that?
Timings?
Cata is the best pvp addon, i’ve started playing in tbc and even wotlk is not as good as cata, its the time when all the things you can do in the game had impact and perfect balance between grinding and getting something too easy. Same applies to arena and basically to each aspect in the game imo. So hyped for cata release
rogues having a heal, a strong one on top of that, as well as other non-hybrids is what broke the game
@@hulkhogan9704 warrior-pala in wotlk already was broken, in cata at least more things were broken so not every second gamer abuses war or pala
@@wladynoszhighlights5989 i never said that WotLK was any good/better :D
I liked that every spell in WotLK had impact, but thats it. Cata is what caused WoW to break with the classic-gameplay and there were some good and bad design-decisions, yet since I started in Cata, thats one of my favorite xpacs anyway - despite not being the best
IMO MoP was peak gameplay, where you could play almost every spec with new fun designs, before abilities got pruned
Cata first 2 patches were PEAK wow gaming.
@@hulkhogan9704 yes MOP was good. Even players without skill could succeed in MOP.
Do you think you can get an elite set items in 2s rating in a cata classic? In the past, I heard it could only be obtained through 3s and 5s and rated battleground. Will Blizzard patch this? I only play 2s so I'm worried I won't get the elite set items.
On retail cata it was obtainable in 2s.
Cata and mop pvp just felt so satisfying for some reason.
Don't worry about micro cc, they made sure they didn't inconvenient you with really short cc instead they made sure you will always enjoy the game while waiting for silences to finish, don't stress because if a silence finishes and you managed to not use your major defensives to not die through it you will always be sure to get at least another 2-3 more silences followed up! What your class doesn't have a silence? All good you can enchant it on your gear. If your trying to play a game that you can't actually play then cata is your best bet. I love the cc aspect of the game and as someone that started in Shadowlands the so called worst expansion when DF started I hated the way the game became so I decided to go back to classic because apparently that is when it was all about cc? Nope that is all a load of crap, I thought maybe I was just super bad but then I got to be the one with all the gear early and I realized very quickly that the reason all the pro's and the great arena players are so good is because when you know you have the best gear and can destroy everything in sight the game finally slows down and you can actually seee what is going on because your not focused on your HP bar the entire game. If your unemployed and have nothing going on and willing to get ahead of the curve then cata is 100% the game for you, you will see all the pro's and so called best players leave cata after the first season because that is when they can no longer just use their awesome teams of friends and endless partners to help them get ahead of the pack because skill won't matter and the game is all about who has no life and willing to truly give their entire life up just to be able to have fun in pvp. Welcome to Cata guys, have fun and all the best
I disagree with rdudu being worst healer...rdru might be bad in 1st season...but on late seasons when he gets haste it s incredible op
I started playing in Cata I still think it’s the best!
dont druids lose powershifting in cata? why does not video talk about this?
Cata and Mop best exp for PVP
Vid starts @ 1:50
How didnt u mention rogues as the strongest class in cata pvp? Are u serious?)
You think 6 bg wins for a piece is a grind??????
For modern-day zoomers That's an eternity. Do you know how many tick tock videos they could have watched in that time?
A nice breath of fresh air?
I heard I need tons of hours on bgs, do PvE till season 11 and lvl a caster to feel viable in Cata 😅
How was cata lvling compared to wotlk?
Faster, questing was a lot more linear and less spread out, made it feel smoother imo, lots more heirlooms you can equip too
Less challanging and more boring. But better quests :)
Was a mage at cataclysm era ill run a mage again and again :)
Were you fire or frost, how was it to get r1 compared to wrath, did you face lots of counter comps?
@@kevinneparidze3973 Fire is the best spec in Cata but if you play 2s frost might be better.
Hating cata is a classic example of herd/sheep mentality.
Yes. 100000%
Why is it bad ? Durr it sucks
MY PEAK ARENA RATE WAS IN CATA MY HIGHEST POTENTIAL I HIT 2.7 WITH 2 CLASSES IN 3's, it was INSANELY GOOD TO PVP IN CATA AND MOP WAS ALSO GOOD THOUGH , GREAT PVP EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT CLASS DESIGN SKILLS IT WAS ABOUT SETUP AND BRAIN FUNCTION , CLASSES ALSO DID DAMAGE OUTSIDE OF COOLDOWNS YOU DIDNT RELY ONLY ON YOUR BURST CD's
Only problem with MOP was the amount of instant CC that was in the game. RBGs were painful to play.
Gdkp again 🎉🎉
I liked cata PvP
wotlk classic has shown that Cata wasn't the downfall of WoW
legion was
How broken u want ferals to be > blizzard: yes!
There truly will not be enough demand for this. Such a large chunk of good classic players have either quit after their initial nostalgia kick or have moved on to SoD. I have attempted to play WotLK the last few weeks and it's just spanish speaking players who are absolute dumpster fires when it comes to ability
PvP has once again made itself the selling point of WoW in Cataclysm. Not interested in Pve. PvP only boys !
Ferals are best ? u kidding back in day only feral comp that worked was jungle maybe Sp feral but nothing is storger than Dk Ret or Rogue Lock
Cata/MoP PvP is just waaaaaay to good to miss.
this is why first season of cata pvp is awesome and then it progressively turns to garbage with the more raid gear that is released
Anyone think enh sham gonna make a comeback in cata? Every guide i’ve seen puts them like being so weak…
Asking about arenas and RBGs specifically. You can play w/e you want in normal battle grounds and still feel you can make and impact. I’ve been stressing out on what class to play cuz i’m a ret main but with the over population of paladins its been impossible for me to find a guild/arena team
@@antos5329 You won't get invited to much. RBG's they will want an ele shaman. Enhance is just a really bad feral druid in Cata. Feral druid brings instant clones and semi ranged interrupt with way more survivability.
@@Levelity thats so unfortunate although I do have a feral druid I used to love my enh shaman back in the days was thinkin about going back but thinking lock or rogue now
We need a cataclysm addons/ file update the one u did for retail was r1 always use it and never looked back since need one for cata plz!!!!
middle ground between a total time wasting game and totally casual borefest
why you still talking about vanilla, tbc and wrath? This video is about Cata.
@@andrecardoso6941 i dont think you understood the comment LOL, in other words this was the pinnacle of pvp for wow. Do you have reading comprehension issues or something or are you just that bone dry that you done understand analogies?
I am waiting for this❤❤
U all better reroll human for that racial ability and x2 pve trinkets. Gonna be so fun to see 90% alli pop 😅
Yeah sometimes it's just better to leave the past in the past
I dont see that raid on the list
Cata pvp hype
Is this that much worse than what we have now ? i dont think so. Reforging was amazing btw.
But right now you Can craft gear and get exactly the stats you want. Retail pvp is honestly in a great spot this current moment
@@iPanicyt it is but most people who complain are classic Andys and retail is way too advanced for them to comprehend.
@@iPanicyt except for the class design being so awful it's not even worth playing, even considering how easy to access it is.
It's not bad. Pretty sure the consensus in the PvP community is that Cata and MoP reign supreme.
You sound like my assistant at Forza Horizon! :D
Gimme my favorite voice over back.
This one sounds fine, to the old one was iconic, right like Cata pvp
Oh and snapshot, I even forgot the moment when they decided to make the game more brainless and got rid of this mechanic for some reason
BEST xpack for areans!
I will forever hate cataclysm for giving paladins fucking combo points
Cata PvP is the best of all
6:29 looks like clutter to me
MOP remove rating from gear, pve gear from bgs and my fav class rogue and hunter where very strong, that my fav classic exp i'm waiting to play again.
Dont really understand why people all of a sudden hate cataclysm pvp while I vividly remember it being regarded as the best pvp the game ever had, even into the next few expansions (lol MOP everything broken)?.
Now its cool for the same players in the 26-2700 + bracket in cata to all of a sudden hate it. Even some streamers (hydra), will admit it was some of the best performance they ever had and experiences yet hate it?? I dont get it lol
I mean hydra said multiple times that cata pvp was shit
Hydra is a washed up SoD player who cares what he thinks
@@AlleviateWoW He's been dominating pvp since pvp existed. His opinion is 100 times more valuable than some random dude in a TH-cam comment
@@AlleviateWoW it's called an example my guy. Do you have any value to add?
Ok.but.why
@@oui2826 I just asked him on his stream like 2 days ago calm down
The world wasn’t redesigned from the ground up.
I still remember 2 blood DKs teamed up and hit 2400 in arena......
warrior need a physical shield in their bag and binds it to a macro so to use pivotal abilities.....
mage is stupid: deep frozen and biu biu biu~, enemy dies.
Sounds like someone who died a lot to mages in pvp.
@@flavioromano8754 who didn't? mage in cata was completely OP: frost ring without casting, 3 shields, magic steal cost only 3% mana without CD, legendary staff,no worry about running out mana, easy but savage burst......🥱🥱🥱
Sounds like you are really awful at pvp.
@@andrecardoso6941 well, is there anything not true in my word? I'm just stating the fact, Cata pvp IS broken
Play sub rogue,boomie,uhdk or mage thats all tou need to know😂
no
Is that why all the pros say wotlk PvP is some of the best feeling PvP ever? I’ve legit seen videos of Venruki, xaryu, pikaboo etc. stating this.
haha that's why none of them even plays wrath lmao
I was playing private servers only before cata, it was my first retail experience... And it was so much worse than private wotlk that i came back for them untill wod
Same here. I couldnt enjoy it for some reasons
lol until WOD. How's Cata worse than wotlk please do explain.
Private servers were goated bro i was on those too
This PVE stuff on arena is so digusting, sad to hear about this.
best xpac
Problem with classic PvP is that the meta is completely figured out from day one. So every game is just meta comp Vs meta comp and no creativity or variety...
No one wants to pop lay that - just look at wotlk PvP - completely dead.
Using a private server to with custom balancing in your videos 😂
so... you need pve gear? :s
Monks pandas and demons killed the game
Too bad S10 and S11 will be unplayable due to mandatory PvE.
Yeah, this makes me consider whether I even want to play Cata. Investing in S9 doesn't seem sensible if I have to prepare for S10 PvE to play by the rules of rng Gods to be viable on paper in PvP. I stuck through with WotLK. I'm glad I did but I won't do it again. The only saving grace if I were to change my mind is that I have 2 lvls 80s and they're both Ferail Druids.
@@HHalcyonwhy would you have 2 of the same class? Kind of curious here I also have a feral
@@donkeymule2 I can tryhard and fool around without sacrificing one for the other. And gearing up a lower Feral next to main Feral helps understand the class a bit better, too. Feeling the weakness of not having top tier gear makes you try other ways to get the kill or survive.
@@HHalcyon ok that makes a lot of sense never knew people did that on wow
PVE to PvP? All on a temporary asset? No thnx
ONE SHOT MACRO
Thanks for reminding me why I stopped playing during Cata...
cause you had no skill?
was it too good for u? was it too much for u?
Noice
PvP 😂? Servers are all now same faction … bg pvp imo just gets boring afterwards…
I save you time to understand PVP in cata. Go "Feral Druid/ Combat Rogue/ Unholy DK/ Retry Paladin/ MM Hunter/Frost Mage" or just dont play PVP at all. Theese are literally S tier and all other specs are down in B tier there's no need for "A" tier thats how overpowered theese specs are over all other in Cataclysm. :)
*sub rogue not combat ROFL. Just wait till they get legendary daggers and also fire mages are completely broken.
@@justinb8297 Your right Sub Rogues* my mistake, and Firemages also, they have literally all CC benefits of Frost Mage... Like... when their all specs can do well in PVP why warrior must have nerfed fury?