I feel like a lot of these interactions might be viewed as bugs, but I actually think these weird inter-ability interactions actually add a lot of depth of mastery to a class that rewards players for learning them and dedicating time towards really understanding a class, in a way that doesn't really exist anymore.
I don't have the time i used to grind levels or figure out my UI /addons. Looking forward to getting your UI "hack" when i finally hit max level and gear enough to play arena. Hopefully MOP won't be out by then haha
What i find so crazy is if you compare Arms Warrior, he got a Shieldwall thats pretty weak 40% you can die tru from hard Burst Classes .. You can use a Glyph it gives 60% Dmg Reduce but on a freaking 7 Minute Cooldown!! Just 7 Minute wtf xD!!! Then you compare it to Ret Pally he got Bubble, Bop, Word of Glory Heals for 100k, Shieldwall and on top of that he got another Shieldwall in "Sacredshield" that proccs every 60 Seconds and he can use a Oneshot Macro where he puts every single Spell and Dps Increase in 1 single Macro and Hits People for 20-30k Verdicts if not more. Now check out Arms Warrior back in S9 Og they nerfd him made it so you cant pop everything in one Macro because supposedly it is to Op to do that but at the same Time Ferals,Rets etc they can !!! iI mean its so obvious that back then someone was hating on Warriors .. Thats just one of the Things that totaly unfair and Broken and shows how some Classes got wayyyy more Things to survive to cc and to do massive Burst then others do and thats simply Broken you cant change my Mind on that sorry..
@@andrew_velaine Yeah its super wierd it just makes no Sense it looks realy forced and like a Hitjob back in Og Cata in Todays Time where everyone is way better those Nerfs dont Fit the Time anymore i think mabey back then alot of Warrios where playing and Priests Shaman idk where super scared and panicked against Tsg so they nerfd him but in Todays Time everyone knows how to Counter that Stuff easy ..
Not being able to death/sac with shields up is working as intended. If the backlash hit from death would break the shield, it breaks the CC. This is why people put /cancelaura xshield for all their shield effects into their death and hand of sac macros
Thats totally bs. CC that breaks on dmg will, break on every dmg (except for DB or RoF from Mages, which you can't death for some fkn reason). Doenst matter If the dmg is absorbed or not. Your thought is false, because in reverse that would mean, for instance, If you are polyed or sapped with a shield on and somebody would do 1 autohit on you (so the shield doenst break) the CC wouldnt break either, but it does. So stop telling flase things to the people out there
@@Freakshowon "for instance, If you are polyed or sapped with a shield on and somebody would do 1 autohit on you (so the shield doenst break) the CC wouldnt break either, but it does" it is not supposed to. I don't question the existence of bugs, but if you claim something works to the contrary of the known intended functionality, post proof. I believe half of this misinformation is the result of applying retail logic to classic functionality, but i'll allow classic is not 1:1 to the og client at all so the most useful information is the intended og functionality and reproducible evidence on live servers.
@@TemporalMatador Proof is in every high rated priest PvP movie that exists out there, my own 15 years of xp (with some Breaks inbetween ofc) and if you ask every single priest in his/her stream, you will get the same answer like mine. Every guide, every tips movie, every "secret interaction of mechanics", all of them NEVER mentioned or told you to cancelaura Powerword: Shield when you deathing.
it is with all these bugs... 1) disappearing spells during arena (like Chains of Ice is gone from your spellbook midfight) 2) Harmony broken (at 20% it gives ~16% bonus healing only, wtf) 3) UI bugs 4) some talents proc out of nothing (daybreak can proc from autoattacks?? kekw? and ele shamans get lava burst off cd randomly even without fire shock active) 5) I havent played a lot on other classes but it is what I've experienced and heard of people I play with aswell fuck Cata quality
I've had situations where warrior stun was impossible to be cast right after the charge, because it requires battle stance, despite the fact that charge itself also does require battle stance and i clearly am in battle stance. Specifically for 2-3 sec after charge though, which is very annoying cuz thats about the only way other than fear to actually hit that stun on a rogue.
The back against the wall doesn't work in arena for shred...my 2s partner is a feral druid and he laughs every time someone tries this and hes still able to shred
@@neutraltwin77 we know that, @faithnomoar was saying he laughs at people putting there back against a wall like its pointless and I'm saying its not because you can still parry and dodge if you face your opponent.
the angle you cut off for putting your back to a wall is 180 degrees at most. the angle for being considered "behind" a target is larger, so to truly be immune to backstabs you need to be backed into a corner
Sorry, noob who doesn't follow all the latest updates. s4 ends in three weeks? Will that mean we won't be able to do arenas for a period until s5 comes out? will their be an s5?
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Feral druids in Cata are so broken 😅
And rogues not?😂😂😂
@@florinbadescu9711it takes no skill to play feral or ret pally in cata. Rogue does, and a lot.
@Elmoreno115 I'm talking about class as broken that means op class not talking about skills.And I play cata on whitemane for long time
@Elmoreno115 Also ur wrong search on Google about feral it s hard to master ur passive is not an easy class
I also quitet cata just because of ferals
I feel like a lot of these interactions might be viewed as bugs, but I actually think these weird inter-ability interactions actually add a lot of depth of mastery to a class that rewards players for learning them and dedicating time towards really understanding a class, in a way that doesn't really exist anymore.
Its almost like it never should've been changed. Fuck retail pvp.
Retail PvP is far better than this lol
@@andrecardoso6941 quit after showlands. Bfa and shadowlands had shit class design and bad pvp
I don't have the time i used to grind levels or figure out my UI /addons. Looking forward to getting your UI "hack" when i finally hit max level and gear enough to play arena. Hopefully MOP won't be out by then haha
Don’t pay for their ui, I’ll send you a ui 😂
@@Genuinely_Vague Bro can I have it too?
@@Genuinely_Vague send it my dude
Brother hit me @@Genuinely_Vague
What i find so crazy is if you compare Arms Warrior, he got a Shieldwall thats pretty weak 40% you can die tru from hard Burst Classes .. You can use a Glyph it gives 60% Dmg Reduce but on a freaking 7 Minute Cooldown!! Just 7 Minute wtf xD!!! Then you compare it to Ret Pally he got Bubble, Bop, Word of Glory Heals for 100k, Shieldwall and on top of that he got another Shieldwall in "Sacredshield" that proccs every 60 Seconds and he can use a Oneshot Macro where he puts every single Spell and Dps Increase in 1 single Macro and Hits People for 20-30k Verdicts if not more. Now check out Arms Warrior back in S9 Og they nerfd him made it so you cant pop everything in one Macro because supposedly it is to Op to do that but at the same Time Ferals,Rets etc they can !!! iI mean its so obvious that back then someone was hating on Warriors .. Thats just one of the Things that totaly unfair and Broken and shows how some Classes got wayyyy more Things to survive to cc and to do massive Burst then others do and thats simply Broken you cant change my Mind on that sorry..
warriors suck hard in 3s, sadly, no defensive but 5 minute cooldowns and that are either shit or melee-oriented
@@andrew_velaine Yeah its super wierd it just makes no Sense it looks realy forced and like a Hitjob back in Og Cata in Todays Time where everyone is way better those Nerfs dont Fit the Time anymore i think mabey back then alot of Warrios where playing and Priests Shaman idk where super scared and panicked against Tsg so they nerfd him but in Todays Time everyone knows how to Counter that Stuff easy ..
@@Herogames2022 Warrior is great in this season, guess you havent played kitty cleave...
@@wardelswijk How does it come that nearly no Warrior is in Top 50 Rankings and its the only Class thats lower then any other Class ??
Not being able to death/sac with shields up is working as intended. If the backlash hit from death would break the shield, it breaks the CC. This is why people put /cancelaura xshield for all their shield effects into their death and hand of sac macros
except it works with shield up sometimes so how is that working as intended lol
Thats totally bs. CC that breaks on dmg will, break on every dmg (except for DB or RoF from Mages, which you can't death for some fkn reason). Doenst matter If the dmg is absorbed or not.
Your thought is false, because in reverse that would mean, for instance, If you are polyed or sapped with a shield on and somebody would do 1 autohit on you (so the shield doenst break) the CC wouldnt break either, but it does. So stop telling flase things to the people out there
Its not true. Even without shield up SWD sometimes does not break CC.
@@Freakshowon "for instance, If you are polyed or sapped with a shield on and somebody would do 1 autohit on you (so the shield doenst break) the CC wouldnt break either, but it does" it is not supposed to. I don't question the existence of bugs, but if you claim something works to the contrary of the known intended functionality, post proof. I believe half of this misinformation is the result of applying retail logic to classic functionality, but i'll allow classic is not 1:1 to the og client at all so the most useful information is the intended og functionality and reproducible evidence on live servers.
@@TemporalMatador Proof is in every high rated priest PvP movie that exists out there, my own 15 years of xp (with some Breaks inbetween ofc) and if you ask every single priest in his/her stream, you will get the same answer like mine.
Every guide, every tips movie, every "secret interaction of mechanics", all of them NEVER mentioned or told you to cancelaura Powerword: Shield when you deathing.
what does impact dr with?
Charge stun and that stun you get from hitting stoneclaw totem.
Priceless video! ty
it is with all these bugs...
1) disappearing spells during arena (like Chains of Ice is gone from your spellbook midfight)
2) Harmony broken (at 20% it gives ~16% bonus healing only, wtf)
3) UI bugs
4) some talents proc out of nothing (daybreak can proc from autoattacks?? kekw? and ele shamans get lava burst off cd randomly even without fire shock active)
5) I havent played a lot on other classes but it is what I've experienced and heard of people I play with aswell
fuck Cata quality
I've had situations where warrior stun was impossible to be cast right after the charge, because it requires battle stance, despite the fact that charge itself also does require battle stance and i clearly am in battle stance. Specifically for 2-3 sec after charge though, which is very annoying cuz thats about the only way other than fear to actually hit that stun on a rogue.
The back against the wall doesn't work in arena for shred...my 2s partner is a feral druid and he laughs every time someone tries this and hes still able to shred
True but we can still parry and dodge you when facing you therefore lowering your chances to hit
@@LuckeyGamingTv you can't parry a move that requires a back
@@neutraltwin77 we know that, @faithnomoar was saying he laughs at people putting there back against a wall like its pointless and I'm saying its not because you can still parry and dodge if you face your opponent.
@@LuckeyGamingTv we know that, and I'm just saying yout cant parry shred, cuz it requires the back.
the angle you cut off for putting your back to a wall is 180 degrees at most. the angle for being considered "behind" a target is larger, so to truly be immune to backstabs you need to be backed into a corner
Cant find a team anyways, a this point might just uninstall unfortunately. I thought after 10 years i could arena again, i guess not. 2k xp fire mage
Use the dungeon finder tool, you can queue with players from any realm, people are always playing
So retail PvP is dead? Play Classic?
cant be more dead than cata atm xD
I learned more about retail then cata in this video lol
How? A lot of stuff talked in this video isn't even on retail.
@@andrecardoso6941 i knew almost all of the info but had no idea retail cyclone was dispellable
THE GOAT THIS VIDEO
Is this Shobek commentating? sounds like him
no it doesnt lmao, it is not shobek
dont spread wrong informations tho
Which one was wrong?
@@Reality-Distortion 6:24 is the only wrong one i noticed, im a holy pala and can 100% bubble cyclone
@@i_daniel0141 What? I watched a pala stream just yesterday and he couldn't bubble cyclone.
Shhh don’t ruin my IMMERSION
Give us MOP already
Seems like a bugged needlessly complex dumpsterfire that cataclysm classic is.
And yet arenas in cats has been 100% funner than last 2 seasons of dragon flight.
Exactly. Having an absolute blast in cata arenas
Cata freaking sucks
cata pvp blows
someone actually cares for cata when s4 ends in 3 weeks?
Who ask?
You usually stop thinking the world revolves around you around the age of 10 if your parents did their job properly
Sorry, noob who doesn't follow all the latest updates. s4 ends in three weeks? Will that mean we won't be able to do arenas for a period until s5 comes out? will their be an s5?
Its actually the opposite, who actually care about garabage retail pvp ? Cata is better all around & way more active right now.
That just means more people playing cata because there will be NO retail arena