Stumbled into this video and watched, my grandfather was a locomotive mechanic for Chicago Northwest Railroad. Just wanted to say after reading comments what thoughtful and polite comments are posted by your community. I am 55 and am a musclecar buff and guitar collector, and nearly every video on youtube in these subjects is filled with criticism, name-calling, and so on. Interesting to see the maturity level contrasted!
I was on that excursion in the last car (the Silver Solarium dome car) and while it was an amazing trip, we did receive quite a jolt and drinks spilled, each time it "slipped." The car host almost lost an entire tray of food he was carrying, but did an excellent job of holding on. It was a trip of a lifetime, and the situation on the wye just added to the uniqueness of the experience.
@@viktordubowskii695 The last car is jolted the most, as the slack comes out of each car as the train accelerates, each car receiving a slightly higher jolt that the one in front of it.
@@viktordubowskii695 like said in the other comment, the reason slack action happens is due to the space between couplers and the drawbar spring. As the locomotive starts to move, one car at a time takes up the slack. If it is a long train, the locomotive could be doing at least 15-20 by the time the last car finally starts to move. Going from 0 to 15 in less than a second is a violent experience. Men riding in the caboose on freight trains had to prepare for it and make sure no loose objects were around.
@@Island_Line_Rail_Productions I can confirm that the last car, The Guard's Van in my case, was often snapped like a whip-cracker when the engine driver had to accelerate from standing. As the auto-couplers took over from screw coupling between wagons it became less dangerous but on one memorable occasion I was 'snapped' five feet through the air and hit the glass window of my van's door. Yeah, I got a four inch chuck of glass embedded into the right shoulder blade which I could not pull out left handed. I dumped the air brakes and even when the fireman tried he was unable to remove the offending article. " You have ruined your uniform shirt, Stevo", he remarked. Sooo, Control had to send a taxi a hundred miles to return me to the nearest aid post. " Don't bleed all over my seats," advised the compassionate taxi driver when he arrived. We had a couple of cold beers from his emergency kit on the way back to town. At the bush hospital, a lovely young nurse laid me face down on a gurney, jumped onto my back and put her knee into m, ma, muh, my spine so as to better gain the advantage. Something popped besides my eyeballs. A few sutures later and we all laughed about the size of the shard. All good. The other nurse on duty had called my wife to come to the hospital . All bewildered, The Good Wife appeared then was right confused when she took possession of my body. " They told me that you had been mauled in the groin by a huge wild dog, a dingo, " she said. Note, she also worked at this bush hospital and her workmates were a wild bunch.
Technology used to be that way because there was a lot of pride in a product back then. Today, technology is as bland, cheap looking, and thrown together as possible. Look at how ugly cars are today as compared to the past. It is no wonder there is a push to make autonomous cars. Modern cars inspire falling asleep behind the wheel.
As a young boy my father started taking me to rail museums and for steam train rides, I have been fascinated by 'living machinery', anything powered by steam ever since. At 78 years, I organised a ride along for him,in the driver's cab, via a few contacts. Half an hour later he exited the cab, with his hands shaking, saying it was the highlight of his life! Nice to know that the day I was born runs second place to a steam train ride. 👍
Wonderful video. Brings back fond memories of riding a steam powered train back in the 50's as a very young boy, with my Grandmother, on the B&O railroad in South Western Ohio. I'll never forget the sights, smells and sounds of that train.
There is nothing like a steam engine... The sound, the smell, even the creaks at idle, if any mechanical device ever seemed alive- Steam engines are it. 😃👍
When they did this in a daily basis, they would use the cylinder draincocks to reduce power immediately when the wheels began to slip. The main control would remain in its optimum setting during this.
I was amazed at how big this engine is. When I saw these “little men” climb down from the cab and stand next to the steps it blew my mind. Not knowing too much about steam engines I thought at first it didn’t have the power to pull the train and then the wheel slip showed me the real story. Great video and a learning experience for me. Would a modern diesel have wheel slip as well?
Diesels tend to spread the tractive effort out over more wheels, on this steamer only the 8 drive wheels are applying power, on the 3 or 4 multiple units that would be required to lug the same train using diesel all the wheels would be driven so the horsepower per wheel is less and tractive effort is higher. Not to say diesels don't slip it's just much less likely
@@Александрб-г1щ2л Diesels also have a traction motor for each axle, and they are not coupled together. So when one slips it doesn't cause all the others to slip. Diesels had immensely higher starting tractive effort than steam locos did even early on. It took a steam engine like 611 to get to speed before they could realize their horsepower. Which then showed they were unbeatable until the diesels started getting higher horsepower across the band.
They do slip especially on wet, snowy, icy, or black rail, black rail being when the leaves fall on the track and make it almost impossible to find braking or power traction
A majestic machine and beautiful sight.... It's almost like a living breathing being.. I watched this very engine pulling passenger cars along the N&W Railroad in southern West Virginia during in the 1950's. We called them stream-liners.
One of the most beautiful trains I've ever seen, from the locomotive to the end coach. Nicely put together, seemingly using coaches and livery from bygone years in one sufficiently long train. The steam locomotive was a gracious sight too, with every steam and smoke spout spewing from top and sides like steam locos are want to do
I opened the caption & said “wow”. My husband asked what I was looking at. Showed him this beautiful beautiful monster. His reaction! (& he’s not as crazy about trains as I am) - wow! I’d love to see her but Covid’s putting a stop to travel. Your wonderful video is tremendously appreciated.
My grandfather, A J Harless, was a conductor on the Powhatan Arrow for many, many years. The J engine you see here was one of the steam engines which pulled that passenger train from Norfolk to Cincinnati. As a small child, I would ride this train from my home in Kenova, WV to Portsmouth, Ohio where my grandparents lived. I remember these engines well and when they switched from steam to diesel, an era ended.
2019, I am 73 and grew up in Rockford Illinois. In the early 1950's, there were still many steam trains on the Rock Island Iine. It was something to see. Rockford was a rail hub and most of my family worked on or for one line or another.
Reminds me of when I was a kid and we would go to the train station to take a trip and the lingering smells in the air would be a mixture of steam, diesel, grease and scorched steel. Loved that smell.😍👍
WOW now this engineer knows what he's doing he didn't just let the wheels slip like alot of engineers do it's nice to see that this engineer knew how to control the locomotive!!!!
@@misfit4373 But it is by far the longest string of a modern excursion train pulled by a steam engine unassisted that I've ever seen. So many excursion trains have very few cars, and even then have a diesel helping.
I remember seeing these same steam engines in West Virginia when I was 7 years old! So glad to have seen these fine old trains still in actual use, because it wasn't long after that that most engines had been converted over to Diesel.
@@ecoRfan yeah how dare he try and say those tenders were cars! What was he thinking?! Btw I counted 48 tenders and 3 firms. Clearly you need corrective lenses
I suspect that the 'Dislikes' for this video are from people who genuinely don't understand what's happening. I don't mean that as an insult; it's just that steam engines are a completely alien form of life (sic) to most people today. Back when these gorgeous beasts were state-of-the-art, everybody understood what it took to be an engine driver. In today's fly-by-wire, autonomous-driving world, if your vehicle requires any kind of skilled input, people probably conclude that there's something wrong with it! Coping with a 'living' machine is beyond the experience of most TH-cam viewers; I think that's why this great video has some 'Dislikes'. Ignore 'em. Full-steam ahead!
You are to be highly commended! Aside from the spectacularly restored, brutishly mighty loco, all the restored vista-domes from many different famous lines across the nation. The mail car was exquisite. The 'cherry on top' of this delicious concoction was the observation car bringing up the rear! Too young to remember steam, but rode in the Vista-Domes on the Empire Builder weekly from Central to Western Washington in the '70s. Sitting up stairs with a drink from the bar-car, I listened to music on headphones and watched the unmolested beauty of the lofty Washington Cascade mountains on often sunny afternoons! This brought it all back. Thank you!
When I was a kid in the 1950s in Joplin, MO, we'd take our bicycles down to the tracks to watch the MKT roll by. I could see about two miles down a straight stretch of track. I NEVER tired of hearing that train. The horrible longing in it's diesel horn, way down the line, was more than I can stand to this day! Great video.
If you have never been close to one, heard one go by, or ridden on one, GET THERE !!!!!!!!!! My Grand dad was a conductor on the Wellsville, Addison, & Galeton Line in north central PA ( original part of the B & S railroad) to which he spent most of his life). When I was small in the early fifties we used to walk to the train yard and he would let us climb aboard, visit the roundtable and throw coal into the boiler's . I remember him cursing the first Diesel they had gotten. They are still all around this country ( north ,south, east ,west or central). Get on one!!!!!!! Go for a ride. Nothing will impress you more!
thank you for that video i was a train spotter in UK in the 1950s and loved steam all my life i was gripping the chair arms hoping the engineer would make it ( engine driver in English) the second and third time i watched it i could admire the skill of the crew and the beautiful locomotive Greetings America from a Brit in Bulgaria
@@Wingnut353 100 mph was more common than you might think. The Milwaukee Road diamonds at the crossing of the Elgin, Joliet and Eastern at Rondout, IL had a speed restriction- “Slow to 100 mph”
@@HeavyTanker-vx4oq If you are referring to the modern era i guarantee they never pulled anything this long and 100% unassisted by a diesel locomotive like this one
Yah, 18 heavy steel passenger cars is just overwhelmingly incredible. 12 would be hard to pull. I was expecting a diesel assistance as a pusher at the back but none!
Steam is a fantastic old beast and that is a tremendous load it is pulling from a standing start. You can't beat the sights and sounds especially the whistles.
i stood right at the front of this wile it was being worked on at the museam in Spencer NC. great being a volunteer there. doug is a great engineer, all the volunteers are friendly and you get up close and personal with the equipment
Did I count 21 vehicles behind the second (water?) tender? That was extremely impressive. And a remarkably clean start. An observer told his mate that it had stalled. That’s bollox. It simply stopped on a dead-centre. It can happen. It’s something that drivers have to be wary of. The train was on a curve, and the locomotive shifted it incredibly well. Actually, I’d give the crew 10/10! Another thing; sometimes locomotive boilers are de-rated as to their maximum permitted (blow-off) pressures, and working pressures. The safety valves are set to “pop” at lower pressures. This reduces the starting tractive efforts. From the tiny slips, I’d guess that the loco was working at its maximum adhesion weight. Also, I loved the Baker Valve Gear! We never used it in any of the British Railways. We did use Stephenson’s link motion, but it requires more maintenance and was used more in other parts of Europe. A pity, because it imparts Variable Lead, and can be set up to be stronger at starting and on banks. Sadly, poppet valves were never widely used in UK.
Amazing! What a great show from the N&W 611! This is one of the best steam train videos that I've seen on TH-cam! I bet the SP 4449 or the SP&S 700 could do this. The sound of the 611 is pure music!
At the age of 14 I began collecting the bits and pieces that were later to be incorporated into my massively ambitious layout, condensing the 125 miles of the transcontinental railroad from Arcade Creek to Reno into a series of it's more scenic and significant locales, set in the 1950's -- Roseville, the Clark Tunnel and fruit orchards below Newcastle, Cape Horn, Emigrant Gap, the canyon of the South Yuba, Donner Pass and Lake, Truckee River canyon, ending in Sparks. Fifty five years later the plans are still simmering, and may make it onto paper within the decade. The hardware is someplace. Every time I see something like this, the residual embers of my teenage enthusiasm flare up, although completion of the project is starting to look like a longshot. It still amazes me just how much the iconic designs of the railroads can still grab your soul. Especially this era with it's Art Deco designs. I bet Amtrak would do considerably better if it's fleet were constructed with modern innerds, with classic period exterior design.
Awe inspiring! I was on the edge of my seat willing that engine along. Reminded me of the "I know I can!" train. Also, great to see so many panoramic view carriages, especially the Zephyr one at the end. Kudos from the UK!
I've seen this train several times, as it used to stop across from my shop to pick up passengers while doing excursions for the Ohio state fair years ago. It is a beast, and it is beautiful. It also has a true steam engine horn that you will never forget. Much better than the Mallard, which sounds like a duck being strangled.
I used to catch a steam train to school in 1960. We had to run down a hill avoiding red ants by the thousand and the odd red bellied black snake (think of a power cable with the wires exposed and the power on). It was a daily adventure in steam!
Ive said this before elsewhere. This is an incredibly "modern" looking steam loco. It looks like something that was built in the 21st century. Fabulous.
My uncle had the misfortune to have been at the throttle of the 611 through the Great Dismal Swamp when ballast gave way and she lost the track. At least that's the way he told it. It was sad regardless of the circumstances; 611 is a work of art and an engineering marvel.
When I was a youngster(in the 1950’s we would go watch the trains at Horseshoe Curve near Altoona, Pennsylvania! It is was and still is a great place to watch trains. I live in Olathe, KS now, and there are lots of trains that go through this town. In fact, as I write this I can hear a train whistle
what-an-engine, wooooah there shes an absolute beast! those observation cars are also off the hook, especially the rear one with the rear light mounted in a finial, very very nice design touch.
Now that is driving by the seat of your pants. Wheel spin is inevitable with solid axles on this kind of radius, but the Engineer held it back just right.
In this corner we have one of the grand passenger locomotives the NS 958 alongside its partner in crime, the Engineer. And in the other corner we have the Norfolk Southern double header with its partner, the CEO of Norfolk himself! Let's put these giants to the test! *3 hours later* And the winner for all 10 sections iiiiiiiiiiiissssssssss................... THE NS 958!!!!!!!!! Anyone surprised? Well you shouldn't be. (A monster of an engine + an amazing driver = unbeatable RAW POWER! >:D)
That old 611 carried me in my childhood many a time from Norfolk to Roanoke for summers with my Blue Ridge family. God, how I loved those train rides back and forth every year !
HEY IDIOT!!!!! I have been involved with excursions since way back in Graham Claytor days and as a kid spent many hours in the cabs of 722, 630, and 4501. One thing I know about Southern RR/NS steam program is.... IT KEEPS IT ALL NS. Even that Berk from C&O aka CSX suddenly became SR, so dont go tryin to push my buttons or you might just come off looking like a dumbass. MEANTIME, over the past 20 years its amazing how many classic trains from the streamliner era have been resotered and THAT IS WHERE MY REMARK WAS HEADING. Dont let my channel fool you. That is just one of several registered and trademarked channels I have and did not realize that was the one I commented from.
That is more correct than you may suppose at the moment. Consider as we speak the following things are in full blown development: 1) a C&O mallet (1309) is being restored into operation 2) A BigBoy is half way restored into operation 3) The T-1 Trust has obtained the only extended distance Pennsy tender in existence and is a perfect match for the T1 class. This is a million dollar + savings and move ahead towards that project end as well as them being in posession of Baldwin drawings for that class for construction. 4) Over in Nashville, former NC&StL 576 is almost out of that perpetual cemetary as a major park revamping is planned and that engine is in their way + the restoration group is also the group that operates the Nashville commuter rail so shops and all are now available. This engine may be moved out of park as early as next easter. OMG, a legendary STRIPE aka "glidder" may live and breath fire once again!!!! 5) NS has had so much positive feedback from its steam program that it has realized DUHH> this is not about profit, its all PUBLIC RELATIONS. They are examining several of their former locomotive shops to determine which one gives them the best and cheapest answer for a steam locomotive facility similar to UP Wyomming. Shops in consideration are Atlanta (In old Pittsburg area south of downtown). Chattanooga (which gives them the added bonus of Tennessee Valley Railroad Society access, help, and facilities. There may be others, but Southern and NW were always frugal in that they could maximize effect for every dollar invested. NS also has enough retired facilities around to reopen and dedicate to steam with little cost towards this end.I am hopeful it will be Atlanta and then I can basically camp out there. After all, on cold nights, the fire will keep me warm.
If any NS "brass" are listening---here in Atlanta GA when I was young, the "Special" was run EVERY year, in Spring and Fall. They called it the "Dogwood" Special in Spring (I think) and the "Autumn Leaves" Special in the fall, and it was a steam engine with a few passenger cars (don't remember how many) that picked up passengers in Atlanta, GA, and took them up to Chattanooga, TN, and then back, for a one-day "sightseeing" tour. First they stopped doing the Spring run, then a few years later they stopped the Fall as well. I had thought that NS simply didn't do this at all anymore--but then found that this is now an exclusive delight ONLY for the NS leadership, CEO's, etc., and their families. I would just like to ask you to PLEASE consider Mr. and Mrs. John Q Public again, and make these wonderful one-of-a-kind rides available again! I had always planned to do this "someday", but by the time I was out on my own and had the money to pay the ticket price--you had stopped doing this. I ask you to PLEASE consider at least bringing back the "Autumn Leaves Special" again!
I rode a multiple Y train (passenger, ex.Mine Cargo train) It was in the Blue Mtns of Australia, well outside Sydney. The Y's were used for climbing a high bluff in a short forward distance. THANK YOU, Mr OLIVER STREET for your explanations answering Jazz and Blues.
A bit more detail concerning the nature of this excursion is in order here. What is the NS 958? Why is this the 3rd & final attempt? What is the Poe wye? What is the difficulty involved in accomplishing "pulling the Poe wye"? Lots of background missing here in explaining why I should watch this video that I should enjoy learning.
Well the significance is this... 100 tons of steel having the balls to pull 600 tons of steel ! ... that's like a 10 year old boy throwing a full grown sumo wrestler around ! On 3 " wet sanding rails ... it's really impressive
Poe is a place name. A wye is used to reverse direction. A loop could be used to reverse direction but it would encircle a large parcel of land. A wye is track shaped like the letter Y with a switch at the fork. It will help for this video to think of it as an upside down letter Y. The two angled sections are connected to the main line with two more switches. A train backs into a wye from the mainline until it clears the switches and entirely in the un-forked stem of the Y. The switches are then thrown and the train exits the wye going forward onto the main line. After it clears the switches, the main line switch is returned to its normal mainline through position. Some trolley and streetcar end-of-line wyes were configured with spring switches that could be traversed safely at low speed without being switched. [IIRC the horse drawn street cars at Disneyland and Disney World had a reversing loop with a spring switch. ] And why back in, forward out? It’s so the engineer can see when he has cleared the switches when entering the wye.
The size of this engine is pretty difficult to appreciate, we can only look at the men in their bright yellow vests to get a sense of have massive this puppy really is. The colors remind me of many of the vintage steamers I've seen in films made in the U.K. The black or very dark green colors of those British and Scottish engines really look beautiful. Doesn't the train engine in Harry Potter films look much like the one in this video? I'm pleased that so many of the beautiful art deco cars have been preserved.
If I'm not mistaken, the engine in Harry Potter is also a real locomotive, "Castle Hall" is its name. Every so often it gets redressed into its harry potter paint and pulls the hogwarts express for real as an excursion train. I've stood beside N&W 611 and had pictures taken. The drive wheels alone are taller than me, and I'm 6 feet tall.
I thought about the size while watching the vid! At 1:27 there's one man standing on the ground, then a height from the top of his head to where the feet of the guy in the cab, then a couple feet more above his head. So I looked it up, height 16'2", roughly the 2nd floor ceiling level of a 2 story house. Monster massive, almost a million # with the tender, water, fuel. There's an FB group I follow, Machinist Museum, that has pics of lathes that cut WWII naval gun barrels. A man standing on the bed of the machine is absolutely dwarfed. Love that old monster machinery! :)
It's difficult to imagine any modern form of conveyance ever matching the timeless beauty and elegance of these great machines.
Man's greatest creation; a living, breathing machine that has no equal for sheer magnificence....
It probably changed the world more than any other invention besides the wheel.
I believe the Saturn-V’s rocket engines would dispute this assertion.
@@ivorjawa Nah. That changed space more then the world. Hahaha
I agree. The complexity of a steam locomotive is beyond comprehension!
@@indridcold8433 Other than the pump perhaps
The era when people still really cared about each other, wrote and posted letters to each other. Working for the railway was quite prestigious
Stumbled into this video and watched, my grandfather was a locomotive mechanic for Chicago Northwest Railroad. Just wanted to say after reading comments what thoughtful and polite comments are posted by your community. I am 55 and am a musclecar buff and guitar collector, and nearly every video on youtube in these subjects is filled with criticism, name-calling, and so on. Interesting to see the maturity level contrasted!
Nice. My grandfather was a locomotive mechanic on the Milwaukee road. Beautiful machines.
Just absolutely fantastic in every way. Thanks so much for Not adding music to a stellar video.
Music,, the engine is the music :)
@@user-dv1xe1uh7m yes, hope everyone appreciated that
I was on that excursion in the last car (the Silver Solarium dome car) and while it was an amazing trip, we did receive quite a jolt and drinks spilled, each time it "slipped." The car host almost lost an entire tray of food he was carrying, but did an excellent job of holding on. It was a trip of a lifetime, and the situation on the wye just added to the uniqueness of the experience.
You would think being on the last car, you would be shielded from the jolting, because you have all the other cars absorbing the inertia.
@@viktordubowskii695 The last car is jolted the most, as the slack comes out of each car as the train accelerates, each car receiving a slightly higher jolt that the one in front of it.
@@viktordubowskii695 like said in the other comment, the reason slack action happens is due to the space between couplers and the drawbar spring. As the locomotive starts to move, one car at a time takes up the slack. If it is a long train, the locomotive could be doing at least 15-20 by the time the last car finally starts to move. Going from 0 to 15 in less than a second is a violent experience. Men riding in the caboose on freight trains had to prepare for it and make sure no loose objects were around.
@@Island_Line_Rail_Productions I can confirm that the last car, The Guard's Van in my case, was often snapped like a whip-cracker when the engine driver had to accelerate from standing. As the auto-couplers took over from screw coupling between wagons it became less dangerous but on one memorable occasion I was 'snapped' five feet through the air and hit the glass window of my van's door. Yeah, I got a four inch chuck of glass embedded into the right shoulder blade which I could not pull out left handed. I dumped the air brakes and even when the fireman tried he was unable to remove the offending article. " You have ruined your uniform shirt, Stevo", he remarked. Sooo, Control had to send a taxi a hundred miles to return me to the nearest aid post. " Don't bleed all over my seats," advised the compassionate taxi driver when he arrived. We had a couple of cold beers from his emergency kit on the way back to town. At the bush hospital, a lovely young nurse laid me face down on a gurney, jumped onto my back and put her knee into m, ma, muh, my spine so as to better gain the advantage. Something popped besides my eyeballs. A few sutures later and we all laughed about the size of the shard. All good. The other nurse on duty had called my wife to come to the hospital . All bewildered, The Good Wife appeared then was right confused when she took possession of my body. " They told me that you had been mauled in the groin by a huge wild dog, a dingo, " she said. Note, she also worked at this bush hospital and her workmates were a wild bunch.
@@StevenCampbell1955 That's a wonderful story, thanks for sharing it! I hope the recovery went smoothly
Such a gorgeous locomotive! It's a functional piece of art!
Well for me, it is art, as I have a painting of this loco in my room.
Technology used to be that way because there was a lot of pride in a product back then. Today, technology is as bland, cheap looking, and thrown together as possible. Look at how ugly cars are today as compared to the past. It is no wonder there is a push to make autonomous cars. Modern cars inspire falling asleep behind the wheel.
One of the best 👏🏼 👏🏼
Agree 100% - I say this about the Concorde also.
As a young boy my father started taking me to rail museums and for steam train rides, I have been fascinated by 'living machinery', anything powered by steam ever since. At 78 years, I organised a ride along for him,in the driver's cab, via a few contacts. Half an hour later he exited the cab, with his hands shaking, saying it was the highlight of his life! Nice to know that the day I was born runs second place to a steam train ride. 👍
Wonderful video. Brings back fond memories of riding a steam powered train back in the 50's as a very young boy, with my Grandmother, on the B&O railroad in South Western Ohio. I'll never forget the sights, smells and sounds of that train.
I’m building and N scale B&o model railway and a Chesapeake and Ohio diorama this Christmas.
There is nothing like a steam engine... The sound, the smell, even the creaks at idle, if any mechanical device ever seemed alive- Steam engines are it. 😃👍
Steam is in a Class of it's own....This is Raw Horse Power from a Burning Hell on Wheels.
Especially the diesel ones.
steam is the real OG
That's why I love self driving electric cars with no driver or passengers! :-D
ScoutCrafter it's actually breathing........
When they did this in a daily basis, they would use the cylinder draincocks to reduce power immediately when the wheels began to slip. The main control would remain in its optimum setting during this.
Use some of the sand which they release in front of the wheels to improve braking
Drain cocks were open you can see the steam blowing out of the cylinders.
How can you not be, a train lover? That was gorgeous. Thank you, for sharing this video.
I was amazed at how big this engine is. When I saw these “little men” climb down from the cab and stand next to the steps it blew my mind. Not knowing too much about steam engines I thought at first it didn’t have the power to pull the train and then the wheel slip showed me the real story. Great video and a learning experience for me. Would a modern diesel have wheel slip as well?
Diesels tend to spread the tractive effort out over more wheels, on this steamer only the 8 drive wheels are applying power, on the 3 or 4 multiple units that would be required to lug the same train using diesel all the wheels would be driven so the horsepower per wheel is less and tractive effort is higher.
Not to say diesels don't slip it's just much less likely
@@Александрб-г1щ2л Diesels also have a traction motor for each axle, and they are not coupled together. So when one slips it doesn't cause all the others to slip. Diesels had immensely higher starting tractive effort than steam locos did even early on. It took a steam engine like 611 to get to speed before they could realize their horsepower. Which then showed they were unbeatable until the diesels started getting higher horsepower across the band.
A modern diesel could pull that with one traction motor.
They do slip especially on wet, snowy, icy, or black rail, black rail being when the leaves fall on the track and make it almost impossible to find braking or power traction
@@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975 lol you wish
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A majestic machine and beautiful sight.... It's almost like a living breathing being.. I watched this very engine pulling passenger cars along the N&W Railroad in southern West Virginia during in the 1950's. We called them stream-liners.
One of the most beautiful trains I've ever seen, from the locomotive to the end coach. Nicely put together, seemingly using coaches and livery from bygone years in one sufficiently long train. The steam locomotive was a gracious sight too, with every steam and smoke spout spewing from top and sides like steam locos are want to do
What a great touch that engineer showed us. During the initial pull, he kept the drivers within a couple of ounces from loosing traction. Great job!
Absolutely right, that takes some concentration to hold it steady until it picks up momentum!
I opened the caption & said “wow”. My husband asked what I was looking at. Showed him this beautiful beautiful monster. His reaction! (& he’s not as crazy about trains as I am) - wow! I’d love to see her but Covid’s putting a stop to travel. Your wonderful video is tremendously appreciated.
My grandfather, A J Harless, was a conductor on the Powhatan Arrow for many, many years. The J engine you see here was one of the steam engines which pulled that passenger train from Norfolk to Cincinnati. As a small child, I would ride this train from my home in Kenova, WV to Portsmouth, Ohio where my grandparents lived. I remember these engines well and when they switched from steam to diesel, an era ended.
2019, I am 73 and grew up in Rockford Illinois. In the early 1950's, there were still many steam trains on the Rock Island Iine. It was something to see. Rockford was a rail hub and most of my family worked on or for one line or another.
Good to still have you with us , May you live long to tell us great stories...
I grew up in Sterling Illinois. Still remember the steam locomotives moving scrap cars at the steel mill. Rock Island line and Northwestern
@@MrBusta-zj1ec Still here in 2021. LOL
Reminds me of when I was a kid and we would go to the train station to take a trip and the lingering smells in the air would be a mixture of steam, diesel, grease and scorched steel. Loved that smell.😍👍
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The power of steam is brilliance. That power at deadslow. Then the control of the enigeer is enormous. Beautifull. Thanks for keeping them on track.
Beautiful engine. Great understanding of transmission/coupling from the cab through to the wheels too.
What a magnificent machine the 611 truly is... glad I got to see her live and in person!
What an impressive machine, love it, the steam the sound . I live in the UK and I have never seen a steam engine as big as that one.
Henry Jurkiewicz 611 j class steam locomotive
watching that brief wheelspin.... my goodness the amount of power those engines produce... truly a magnificent machine
The Art Deco era is so simple, sleek and sophisticated in design. True beauty in everything created.
WOW now this engineer knows what he's doing he didn't just let the wheels slip like alot of engineers do it's nice to see that this engineer knew how to control the locomotive!!!!
yeah the video is about the slippery trails alot of people think its because of the weight of the wagons xD
There is one at 6:31, but ya not a lot
6:31 OH DANG THATS SOME WHEELSLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@misfit4373 But it is by far the longest string of a modern excursion train pulled by a steam engine unassisted that I've ever seen. So many excursion trains have very few cars, and even then have a diesel helping.
Such a beauty and so much old school power! My favorite locomotive of them all.
I remember seeing these same steam engines in West Virginia when I was 7 years old!
So glad to have seen these fine old trains still in actual use, because it wasn't long after that that most engines had been converted over to Diesel.
Wow, that steam engine was pulling a lot more cars than even a regular diesel passanger engine do normally. Respect for steam power!
What a gorgeous locomotive, a gentle touch need to haul that train around a curve.
Thanks for posting
Impressive collection of vintage rail cars topped off by the California Zephyr!
22 total cars follow the 611 in this video.
@@thomast8539 I counted 20 plus the auxiliary tender. I don't count the regular tender either.
@@ecoRfan yeah how dare he try and say those tenders were cars! What was he thinking?! Btw I counted 48 tenders and 3 firms. Clearly you need corrective lenses
The most beautiful locomotive in existence. She is a beast. And the best sounding whistle. Love it!
I suspect that the 'Dislikes' for this video are from people who genuinely don't understand what's happening. I don't mean that as an insult; it's just that steam engines are a completely alien form of life (sic) to most people today. Back when these gorgeous beasts were state-of-the-art, everybody understood what it took to be an engine driver.
In today's fly-by-wire, autonomous-driving world, if your vehicle requires any kind of skilled input, people probably conclude that there's something wrong with it! Coping with a 'living' machine is beyond the experience of most TH-cam viewers; I think that's why this great video has some 'Dislikes'.
Ignore 'em. Full-steam ahead!
Steam begins caused much less pollution than oil machines, cars, busses, boats etc.
They transported most of The war materials to the ports in wwii. I think some saw 1 million miles.
@@petitonton The trouble with the ole' steamers is that they run on coal...but I'm pretty sure they can be made to run on charcoal just as well...
You are to be highly commended! Aside from the spectacularly restored, brutishly mighty loco, all the restored vista-domes from many different famous lines across the nation. The mail car was exquisite. The 'cherry on top' of this delicious concoction was the observation car bringing up the rear! Too young to remember steam, but rode in the Vista-Domes on the Empire Builder weekly from Central to Western Washington in the '70s. Sitting up stairs with a drink from the bar-car, I listened to music on headphones and watched the unmolested beauty of the lofty Washington Cascade mountains on often sunny afternoons! This brought it all back. Thank you!
the people who built these steam engines took pride in their work, The craftmanship is magnificent!
Awe inspiring machine. 611 comes to my town periodically. It’s great to see it and hear it.
When I was a kid in the 1950s in Joplin, MO, we'd take our bicycles down to the tracks to watch the MKT roll by. I could see about two miles down a straight stretch of track. I NEVER tired of hearing that train. The horrible longing in it's diesel horn, way down the line, was more than I can stand to this day! Great video.
If you have never been close to one, heard one go by, or ridden on one, GET THERE !!!!!!!!!! My Grand dad was a conductor on the Wellsville, Addison, & Galeton Line in north central PA ( original part of the B & S railroad) to which he spent most of his life). When I was small in the early fifties we used to walk to the train yard and he would let us climb aboard, visit the roundtable and throw coal into the boiler's . I remember him cursing the first Diesel they had gotten. They are still all around this country ( north ,south, east ,west or central). Get on one!!!!!!! Go for a ride. Nothing will impress you more!
What an awesome video!! A great show of strength and throttle control. Thank you for the post!
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Was waiting for something to slip worse or break. What a dice roll!
Bruce Nitroxpro
‘88
Now I understand the expression, huffing and puffing
Absolutely wonderful, total control of this engine, no wheel slip......
thank you for that video i was a train spotter in UK in the 1950s and loved steam all my life i was gripping the chair arms hoping the engineer would make it ( engine driver in English) the second and third time i watched it i could admire the skill of the crew and the beautiful locomotive Greetings America from a Brit in Bulgaria
I can't believe how many coaches that old girl was pulling! Very impressive!
Stephen Thomas hell J-Classes pulled more then this back in the day and did over 100MPH doing it
@@HeavyTanker-vx4oq Not typically... 100mph is was rarely ran in the USA even due to speed limits in most areas.
@@Wingnut353 100 mph was more common than you might think. The Milwaukee Road diamonds at the crossing of the Elgin, Joliet and Eastern at Rondout, IL had a speed restriction- “Slow to 100 mph”
@@duffmiver2636 Either side of this sign: Now that must have been an impressive place to spend the day.
@@HeavyTanker-vx4oq If you are referring to the modern era i guarantee they never pulled anything this long and 100% unassisted by a diesel locomotive like this one
That many cars on an Amtrak train would require three engines. Good throttle control from the engineer.
That is, if Amtrak could keep it on the tracks. Ouch!
Can't blame Amtrak for the noodle track they are forced to utilise.
Yah, 18 heavy steel passenger cars is just overwhelmingly incredible. 12 would be
hard to pull. I was expecting a diesel assistance as a pusher at the back but none!
It would take 9 diesels at least. Maybe 10.
@@ackmino obviously you dont know much about trains. It would take 1 diesel engine to pull this, and more.
Ole Betsy is moving on now! What a great video, love thease old majestic trains!
Maybe silly but I found myself tearing up when I saw that the old girl had done it! Good man on the throttle.
This is an old post, but I'm doing the same thing. I remember riding behind the 611 in the early 80's. Truly a perfect blending of beauty and power.
It could have been a woman?
@@romeo9017 What?
Stephen Charles - doubtful
6:31 OH DANG THATS SOME WHEELSLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steam is a fantastic old beast and that is a tremendous load it is pulling from a standing start. You can't beat the sights and sounds especially the whistles.
Dang, what a beautiful engine! Thanks for posting.
Our digital age is amazing...but I am always blown away by original tech! How engineers even thought this stuff out is amazing to me!
I know nothing of trains, but this machine in my own humble opinion is a piece of true railroad history. Stream lined! Smooth/Lovely if you will!
i stood right at the front of this wile it was being worked on at the museam in Spencer NC. great being a volunteer there. doug is a great engineer, all the volunteers are friendly and you get up close and personal with the equipment
What a magnificent locomotive
Very impressive! Such a diversity of passenger cars and so many! No wonder there was a bit of a struggle.
Just beautiful to see, a lovely time that went on by much to quickly
Did I count 21 vehicles behind the second (water?) tender? That was extremely impressive. And a remarkably clean start. An observer told his mate that it had stalled. That’s bollox. It simply stopped on a dead-centre. It can happen. It’s something that drivers have to be wary of. The train was on a curve, and the locomotive shifted it incredibly well. Actually, I’d give the crew 10/10! Another thing; sometimes locomotive boilers are de-rated as to their maximum permitted (blow-off) pressures, and working pressures. The safety valves are set to “pop” at lower pressures. This reduces the starting tractive efforts. From the tiny slips, I’d guess that the loco was working at its maximum adhesion weight. Also, I loved the Baker Valve Gear! We never used it in any of the British Railways. We did use Stephenson’s link motion, but it requires more maintenance and was used more in other parts of Europe. A pity, because it imparts Variable Lead, and can be set up to be stronger at starting and on banks. Sadly, poppet valves were never widely used in UK.
Superb steam loco! Great camera work. Very nice video. Greetings from Italy. Ciao, Stefano
I got tired from just watching this! Amazing work! That engine was pulling an amazing number of cars!
Amazing! What a great show from the N&W 611! This is one of the best steam train videos that I've seen on TH-cam! I bet the SP 4449 or the SP&S 700 could do this. The sound of the 611 is pure music!
At the age of 14 I began collecting the bits and pieces that were later to be incorporated into my massively ambitious layout, condensing the 125 miles of the transcontinental railroad from Arcade Creek to Reno into a series of it's more scenic and significant locales, set in the 1950's -- Roseville, the Clark Tunnel and fruit orchards below Newcastle, Cape Horn, Emigrant Gap, the canyon of the South Yuba, Donner Pass and Lake, Truckee River canyon, ending in Sparks. Fifty five years later the plans are still simmering, and may make it onto paper within the decade. The hardware is someplace.
Every time I see something like this, the residual embers of my teenage enthusiasm flare up, although completion of the project is starting to look like a longshot. It still amazes me just how much the iconic designs of the railroads can still grab your soul. Especially this era with it's Art Deco designs. I bet Amtrak would do considerably better if it's fleet were constructed with modern innerds, with classic period exterior design.
That's a big engine
funny seeing you here...
Big yes, but there's bigger ones
Yeah, Look at the 2 workers walking along side it.
That machine is nearly 25 tall. Jeez.
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I rode the J 611 and Powhatan Arrow from Birmingham to Chattanooga and back in the mid 80’s.
Beautiful engine. Massive.
A truly majestic steam locomotive. God I adore these amazing machines!
Awe inspiring! I was on the edge of my seat willing that engine along. Reminded me of the "I know I can!" train. Also, great to see so many panoramic view carriages, especially the Zephyr one at the end. Kudos from the UK!
That is one of the most beautiful trains I`ve ever seen! Wow, sexy!!!
and now you shall marry her lol
Im guessing you have not seen the mallard 4468 the fastest steam loco in the world 126mph
I've seen this train several times, as it used to stop across from my shop to pick up passengers while doing excursions for the Ohio state fair years ago. It is a beast, and it is beautiful. It also has a true steam engine horn that you will never forget. Much better than the Mallard, which sounds like a duck being strangled.
@@XxMRJDNo7xX SP 4449 at 70 MPH+ is faster! No comparison! I've ridden behind 4449 at full tilt! It's insane!
844 is a better lookin northern type
Wow! Magnificent!!!!! Kudos to the restorers, and the brave operators! !!!!
Incredible adjustments by the Engineer to get that many passenger cars moving!
Don’t think I’ve ever seen a steamer that grabbed my heart so much. Was routing for her all the way 😍 Winderful!!
One of the most beautiful locomotives ever.
What an exquisite design...the lines are amazing it looks as powerful as it is. Glad to see it triumph against gravity! Well done!
I used to catch a steam train to school in 1960. We had to run down a hill avoiding red ants by the thousand and the odd red bellied black snake (think of a power cable with the wires exposed and the power on). It was a daily adventure in steam!
Ive said this before elsewhere. This is an incredibly "modern" looking steam loco. It looks like something that was built in the 21st century. Fabulous.
Brilliant piece of driving
That is the most beautiful train I've ever seen!
My uncle had the misfortune to have been at the throttle of the 611 through the Great Dismal Swamp when ballast gave way and she lost the track. At least that's the way he told it. It was sad regardless of the circumstances; 611 is a work of art and an engineering marvel.
So thankful they have preserved and restored these beautiful machines.Great footage!
That SOUND!!!! The Steam engine puff... awww it's soooo delicious! :)
That's with the valves on full travel
The slowly increasing speed of the ejection from the stack was almost like the old lady was celebrating, ‘I got this’.
When I was a youngster(in the 1950’s we would go watch the trains at Horseshoe Curve near Altoona, Pennsylvania! It is was and still is a great place to watch trains. I live in Olathe, KS now, and there are lots of trains that go through this town. In fact, as I write this I can hear a train whistle
In my opinion the most beautiful train engine ever made.
Man I was bearing down with the old girl at her hardest effort. What a sweetie!
what-an-engine, wooooah there shes an absolute beast! those observation cars are also off the hook, especially the rear one with the rear light mounted in a finial, very very nice design touch.
Such a beautiful machine!
Beautiful....from an Era long ago ....Beautiful Engine and all the nice cars in line ..
Now that is driving by the seat of your pants. Wheel spin is inevitable with solid axles on this kind of radius, but the Engineer held it back just right.
Agreed, that driver did well to catch the wheelspin
...and a lot of sand...
In this corner we have one of the grand passenger locomotives the NS 958 alongside its partner in crime, the Engineer.
And in the other corner we have the Norfolk Southern double header with its partner, the CEO of Norfolk himself!
Let's put these giants to the test! *3 hours later*
And the winner for all 10 sections iiiiiiiiiiiissssssssss...................
THE NS 958!!!!!!!!! Anyone surprised? Well you shouldn't be. (A monster of an engine + an amazing driver = unbeatable RAW POWER! >:D)
Nick Carter Here a video of an idiot that should have gotten his a** fired!!!! th-cam.com/video/Ft2RD9c_T34/w-d-xo.html
Nah, this is wheel grinding to get rid of flat spots.
That old 611 carried me in my childhood many a time from Norfolk to Roanoke for summers with my Blue Ridge family. God, how I loved those train rides back and forth every year !
How about that all star cast of coaches? OMG, it was freakin time warp.
Totally Fem Metal Channel duh it's a excursion for crying out loud.
HEY IDIOT!!!!! I have been involved with excursions since way back in Graham Claytor days and as a kid spent many hours in the cabs of 722, 630, and 4501. One thing I know about Southern RR/NS steam program is....
IT KEEPS IT ALL NS.
Even that Berk from C&O aka CSX suddenly became SR, so dont go tryin to push my buttons or you might just come off looking like a dumbass.
MEANTIME, over the past 20 years its amazing how many classic trains from the streamliner era have been resotered and THAT IS WHERE MY REMARK WAS HEADING. Dont let my channel fool you. That is just one of several registered and trademarked channels I have and did not realize that was the one I commented from.
THE STEAM ENGINES SHALL RISE AGAIN!
*1 day later*
THE STEAM ENGINES HAVE RISEN AGAIN!
That is more correct than you may suppose at the moment. Consider as we speak the following things are in full blown development:
1) a C&O mallet (1309) is being restored into operation
2) A BigBoy is half way restored into operation
3) The T-1 Trust has obtained the only extended distance Pennsy tender in existence and is a perfect match for the T1 class. This is a million dollar + savings and move ahead towards that project end as well as them being in posession of Baldwin drawings for that class for construction.
4) Over in Nashville, former NC&StL 576 is almost out of that perpetual cemetary as a major park revamping is planned and that engine is in their way + the restoration group is also the group that operates the Nashville commuter rail so shops and all are now available. This engine may be moved out of park as early as next easter. OMG, a legendary STRIPE aka "glidder" may live and breath fire once again!!!!
5) NS has had so much positive feedback from its steam program that it has realized DUHH> this is not about profit, its all PUBLIC RELATIONS.
They are examining several of their former locomotive shops to determine which one gives them the best and cheapest answer for a steam locomotive facility similar to UP Wyomming.
Shops in consideration are Atlanta (In old Pittsburg area south of downtown). Chattanooga (which gives them the added bonus of Tennessee Valley Railroad Society access, help, and facilities.
There may be others, but Southern and NW were always frugal in that they could maximize effect for every dollar invested. NS also has enough retired facilities around to reopen and dedicate to steam with little cost towards this end.I am hopeful it will be Atlanta and then I can basically camp out there. After all, on cold nights, the fire will keep me warm.
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I watched 611 at this same location in 1982, at speed on the way east. Thanks for posting the more recent event.
Love the art-deco styling of these trains
If any NS "brass" are listening---here in Atlanta GA when I was young, the "Special" was run EVERY year, in Spring and Fall. They called it the "Dogwood" Special in Spring (I think) and the "Autumn Leaves" Special in the fall, and it was a steam engine with a few passenger cars (don't remember how many) that picked up passengers in Atlanta, GA, and took them up to Chattanooga, TN, and then back, for a one-day "sightseeing" tour. First they stopped doing the Spring run, then a few years later they stopped the Fall as well. I had thought that NS simply didn't do this at all anymore--but then found that this is now an exclusive delight ONLY for the NS leadership, CEO's, etc., and their families. I would just like to ask you to PLEASE consider Mr. and Mrs. John Q Public again, and make these wonderful one-of-a-kind rides available again! I had always planned to do this "someday", but by the time I was out on my own and had the money to pay the ticket price--you had stopped doing this. I ask you to PLEASE consider at least bringing back the "Autumn Leaves Special" again!
I loved the fact that that kid was waving. At that age, I'm sure I would've been doing the same thing.
I lived beside the tracks, and did every other day.
Joseph Maxwell m’8
I rode a multiple Y train (passenger, ex.Mine Cargo train) It was in the Blue Mtns of Australia, well outside Sydney. The Y's were used for climbing a high bluff in a short forward distance.
THANK YOU, Mr OLIVER STREET for your explanations answering Jazz and Blues.
A bit more detail concerning the nature of this excursion is in order here. What is the NS 958? Why is this the 3rd & final attempt? What is the Poe wye? What is the difficulty involved in accomplishing "pulling the Poe wye"? Lots of background missing here in explaining why I should watch this video that I should enjoy learning.
Why did the train have to stop and backup? Why not traverse the wye at speed? Lots here that the uninitiated would enjoy knowing.
Jazz and Blues Cultural Heritage 5
What is the 'Poe wye', and what is meant by 'pulling it'?
Well the significance is this... 100 tons of steel having the balls to pull 600 tons of steel ! ... that's like a 10 year old boy throwing a full grown sumo wrestler around ! On 3 " wet sanding rails ... it's really impressive
Poe is a place name. A wye is used to reverse direction. A loop could be used to reverse direction but it would encircle a large parcel of land. A wye is track shaped like the letter Y with a switch at the fork. It will help for this video to think of it as an upside down letter Y. The two angled sections are connected to the main line with two more switches. A train backs into a wye from the mainline until it clears the switches and entirely in the un-forked stem of the Y. The switches are then thrown and the train exits the wye going forward onto the main line. After it clears the switches, the main line switch is returned to its normal mainline through position. Some trolley and streetcar end-of-line wyes were configured with spring switches that could be traversed safely at low speed without being switched. [IIRC the horse drawn street cars at Disneyland and Disney World had a reversing loop with a spring switch. ] And why back in, forward out? It’s so the engineer can see when he has cleared the switches when entering the wye.
Rode behind 611 from Birmingham to Chattanooga, back in the 90's, and enjoyed every minute of it. 611 is a elegant lady.
That sound is absolute music. I found myself poised listening to the Engineer balancing the throttle on the verge of wheel slip.
Magnifique.... L'Amérique des années 50... Tout le glamour d'un continent sublime et d'un Peuple travailleur et libre....
Great footage, a real bit of drama! Good to see the crew beat the bastard in the end.
Thats a lot of cars! The power of this fine piece of machinery is remarkable! Its a shame we haven't kept more around
The size of this engine is pretty difficult to appreciate, we can only look at the men in their bright yellow vests to get a sense of have massive this puppy really is. The colors remind me of many of the vintage steamers I've seen in films made in the U.K. The black or very dark green colors of those British and Scottish engines really look beautiful. Doesn't the train engine in Harry Potter films look much like the one in this video? I'm pleased that so many of the beautiful art deco cars have been preserved.
If I'm not mistaken, the engine in Harry Potter is also a real locomotive, "Castle Hall" is its name. Every so often it gets redressed into its harry potter paint and pulls the hogwarts express for real as an excursion train.
I've stood beside N&W 611 and had pictures taken. The drive wheels alone are taller than me, and I'm 6 feet tall.
I thought about the size while watching the vid! At 1:27 there's one man standing on the ground, then a height from the top of his head to where the feet of the guy in the cab, then a couple feet more above his head. So I looked it up, height 16'2", roughly the 2nd floor ceiling level of a 2 story house. Monster massive, almost a million # with the tender, water, fuel. There's an FB group I follow, Machinist Museum, that has pics of lathes that cut WWII naval gun barrels. A man standing on the bed of the machine is absolutely dwarfed. Love that old monster machinery! :)
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A living breathing magnificent piece of engineering designed and built by man.