I am intersex. I was born female and incorrectly assigned male at the time of my birth following surgery to fix me. I have been trying to find information for me, which helps me better understand who I am and what the bible says about my existence. Until this video, I believed that I shouldn't exist based on no mention of people like me in the bible. Its still a grey area open to debate. I've faced a lot of ridicule, hate and discrimination because of who I am and what I look like. I got part of the internal structures of a female, all of her endocrine system and appearance traits. Then to top that off, I got some facial hair not a lot, I grew to 6'2" and have 1 part of male anatomy that doesn't function. I was also born without cells necessary for reproduction, effectively ending my family, I have cried for years over not being able to create my own mini-me, and it feels like my worldy worth is less because of the inability. Many people say you can adopt, but its not the same thing, losing that part of you that can be there from day one. Its been a huge struggle trying to locate solid information that isn't biased one way or the other. I made a choice to follow the female path of life some 35 years ago and I finalized it a few years ago after a false diagnosis for cancer in what the urologist claimed was a testis, and later thru reports was determined to be an ovotestis. I was given a life sentence of HRT to replace lost estradiol that I no longer made. It was just easier to be a woman than to try and act like a man. I live as me with no further surgeries other than a gonadectomy and the oophorectomy. I have few desires for a partner, and I still wonder if I'm seen as gay whether I select a man or woman for a life partner.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no debate. You have the Y ? Then you are a guy. In your case, I presume you don't have Y chromosome so you are female.
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I need this guy to look at the study that says that people who think that they are opposite of what God has made them have heavy mental issues. There is a chemical imbalance in their minds that operates on a very low frequency. A frequency that the devil dwells in. With that said, God still loves you and is literally begging for your repentance before you get caught up in the wrath that He'll be bringing soon.
I'm glad that you and I both believe in God's love. However, scientifically what you are saying makes no sense at all (chemicals don't operate on frequencies, for a start). If you have a specific study in mind, please provide a link, and we can look at what it actually says.
@@BibleandHomosexuality science doesnt over rule what God has set fourth. Science is simply man's system of inquiry. Which is often wrong and revised. Nothing more nothing less. There isnt a specific article that will explain how everything living and dead, seen and unseen operates on a frequency. Instead, there are tons of books and holistic doctors that are happy to educate along with a quick internet search.
Sure at least there is one foot in God's Kingdom for those who places the other foot the world. You know holistic doctors spent decades studying what they know. Ask The Holy Spirit for clarity. In fact Nickola Tesla was the first to learn that everything that man sees and doesnt see operates in frequencies. I'll stick to God's Word (The Bible) which is absolute. Not science. Doesnt God say man on man is an abomination. Let's not take heed to only bits of The Bible that we are comfortable with but do a spiritual cleansing by take The Bible as absolute and nothing else. God Speed.
Thank you so much for sharing this. As a Non-binary, Transgender person with a very strong faith, I have had to work hard to figure out what God thinks about it. You expressed so much of it very well in this video. In the end, God Loves us... and that's all that really matters. In Matthew he said our greatest purpose is to 1) Love God 2) Love each other, and how do we do that? By loving others the way we love ourselves... if we can't love ourselves the way we are, then how can we love others? God loves me as I am, and I can love others because God loves me.
@키ᄐ Jesus died for you! He loves you SOOO much. He would not send you anywhere but! "I go to prepare a place for you" and "today you will be with me in paradise!" th-cam.com/video/degC0mpj36o/w-d-xo.html
Yes in the end, Jesus is messiah and we need to realize we are all sinners in need of a savior. As long as you have a heart filled with love and do good unto others, acknowledge and have a daily relationship with Jesus, that's all you need to be saved. I feel like some of these people interpret the Bible poorly or draw lines where none should be drawn and that is a dangerous mindset
@@IHIuddy saved from damnation but redeemed into salvation by faith. This is the dispensation of grace. It's called grace because Jesus is that grace that saves us. Before He died we didn't have grace. We had to earn salvation by works
Thank you for sharing your perspectives on this. Even as a trans person of faith who's already been out and transitioning for a few years, I still have a hard time fulling committing to the idea that I am "right" in God's eyes about being trans and transitioning. I have so much evidence from throughout my life that I am trans, but it's hard to discern whether or not my internal pushback is actually the Holy Spirit or the seemingly ubiquitous narrative that is accepted among most Christians that transgender people are wrong in God's eyes.
Thank you for your feedback. The narrative might be a lot less ubiquitous than you imagine. I know of many ministers who support trans rights and a couple who are themselves transgender.
How can God make you in a wrong body. Jesus died to set the free from problems. Acting like you are something you are not and altering your body doesn't solve anything. It's only temporal and carnal. The holy spirit wants you to have a good relationship with christ and grow in his image not in what you desperately feel you are which you aren't
I'm confused by your stance and proposal. I'm trying to understand you, but. Firstly as far as I'm aware the bible is not for man to justify his behaviour to God, it is a history of his people and perfect RULES on which they and ultimately we should live by and what happens should we disobey. The bible is specific about homosexuality and even cross dressing. Yahawah gave us a reason why for male and female to come together (to reproduce) otherwise there is no reason as it leads NOWHERE, you would be deceiving yourself, and who is the greatest deceiver? Now, if you are saying it is because of biological or physiological reasons a man feels inside like a woman and is therefore attracted to another man. to what end is this? if you are fully a man of God and not half in and half out, you would understand the physiological nature how God created us with choice. I've been hearing about this biological argument for years, looking for the "gay gene" it has never been found, and just like the evolution THEORY which again has always been just a theory, has now become mainstream fact. Now, if your choice is to have a same sex relationship, it is your choice, just like if I want to be a liar or disobedient to Gods word, it is my choice. That is down to where I want my soul rest. I'm not surprised at your secular approach, as most church leaders are leaning that way. It would be best not to include the bible into you secular belief system. If I were to go by your stance as a man of God, you have made Yahawah almost null and void, you really do not believe in the power of Yahawah to cure or to make communion with our Lord, what are you for? You are supposed to have a higher level and understanding of Yahawah, a man able to reflect Yahawah will to men, to heal and lead to righteousness. Who is your God? The bible/Yahawah word is not cryptic when it comes to this subject, you are making it so. No man is perfection least of all myself. The difference is I would never use the bible to justify my actions.
Thank you for commenting. But you are using the Bible to justify your actions, not least in making your comments (and think I should be using it too). We both think the Bible is important. But we interpret it differently. For example, I think the Bible is more than 'perfect rules', and I think that the New Testament shows us that all of them are fulfilled so long as we love God and our neighbour (this, surely, is a key part of Paul's argument in Galatians). I disagree with your interpretation of what scripture says about creation of male and female. I think you are ignoring the reason given in scripture, which is that it was not good for the human to be alone. And I disagree with you about what we can know from science (which is a searching for truth, so should be respected by all). None of this is anything to do with whether or not I believe in the power of God, and I don't understand why you think you have any idea at all of my attitudes on this.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I do use the bible to justify my actions, aren't we supposed to? If you think the word of God is not perfection, put the holy bible down, don't refer to it. Difference in "interpretation" came about when the catholic church appeased the pagans and corrupted Yahawah word. Saying there is a difference in interpretation is a lie. The truth is the truth. Yahawah had one standard for union, not two, not three...It is between a man and a woman, that is the meaning of not alone, Adam had the animals, he was not alone. Leviticus 18:20 and what Paul says? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. There is no ambiguity. I can quote many passages from the bible where Yahawah had only one standard for man to live by, which you should know. Science is a new religion it is based on hypothesises and theories and has always been used by the practices of the occult and deniers of our Lord. You cannot worship two gods. P.S. your attitude is written all over your video.
I'm glad you confirm you do use the Bible to justify your actions - in your first comment you explicitly said you didn't do that. You appear to be saying that there is only one interpretation of the Bible which is true (which happens to be yours). Respectfully, I disagree (and can point to a large number of issues where Christians disagree about how to interpret the Bible). I deal with the passages you quote in my other videos; I invite you to watch those if you wish to know how I would respond to you on these particular matters. I utterly disagree with you about science and think it shameful when people denigrate the minds that God gave us by suggesting we should not search for truth about God's creation. I do not consider such an attitude an authentic part of the mainstream Christian tradition. In particular, you are insulting and slurring many people in linking science with the occult. In the video, I certainly reveal my attitude to what I consider incorrect and pastorally dangerous interpretations of the Bible. Perhaps you have confused this with my attitude towards the Bible.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Sorry let me make myself clear. Justify what Yahawah deems right, not justify what I deem to be right, and that is the crux of the matter. OK, lets talk about interpretation. NO WHERE in the bible or Gods word does he reference speaking to same sex couples, it is always to heterosexual. Genesis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife and they shall become one flesh". That is Gods standard. Going by "interpretation" does God mean partner? only if you have an agenda! Are you still saying coupled with how Yahawah communicated with man the word of Yahawah is still open for interpretation on this matter? Romans 1:26-28 "For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their woman exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with woman and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to debased mind to do what ought not to be done". You see there is nothing new under the sun. Now some people would try to justify being a christian and participating in that act to say, the interpretation is not against consensual same sex relationship, but no where is this in the bible either explicitly or implicitly sanction by Yahawah. As for science th-cam.com/video/ymXw40TvHZo/w-d-xo.html cern opening ceremony.
This video was made 2 years ago, and I am lucky to be coming across it now. Thank you for making this video. I attend a private Christian academy as a trans and gay person, and I've been reading the code of conduct all night, with numerous verses from the Bible explaining how I deserve to die. Honestly, people of the church can be very invalidating, and this is coming from a Christian. I really appreciate how you put time and effort into debunking things that are not relevant to today's society. Watching this made me feel at peace, and it made me feel like I can truly still be loved by God.
Whatever do pants and dresses have to do with gender identity? They're cultural markers and are fluid. Being a man isn't about wearing macho attire. Being a woman isn't about dressing up like a drag queen. In fact, "human" qualities (kindness, compassion, strength, wisdom, love) override so-called "gender" differences.
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Thank you so much for this video. Really. As a transgender woman who loves Jesus, but always has struggled with shame and feeling faulty due to my societal controversial journey I'm living. It can be quite hard and though on the inside at times. Thank you for calming my heart. I wish I saw this 4 years ago.
Thank you for this very clear presentation. This issue does not affect me personally, but I have been troubled by negative perceptions of TI people in Christianity, without really understanding it. This has helped my cognitive understanding to catch up with my discerning.
Thank you for making this video, I’m a transgender Christian in a transphobic and homophobic household. Hopefully they’ll listen to what you have to say and allow me to live life as who I’m supposed to be :3
@@jonedward3208 Listen you religious nut God made me intersex. I was born female inside and some strange male bits outside. I am a Australian when I was 11 my mother took for an operation in London to make me all female because my body was going into female puberty. I am happily married to Bruce I can get pregnant. So to say God made a mistake who knows. We live a different life to normal people. I was bullied by the boys and taunted by the girls as a child. You have no IDEA! Ashleigh 😢
NICE!!!❤😊 This video was especially insightful for me being a Trinitarian believing Transwoman myself. I loved the part where you refuted the argument that our identity must be in line with our body using scripture. 😁😁❤❤ I am also reminded of how CS Lewis talked about the Shadowlands in the Chronicles of Narnia series. Isn't our physycal bodies representations or shadows of our spiritual existence and not vice-versa? Now you mentioned how scripture teaches about the treasure in our bodies of clay, I am thinking along those lines as well. Definitely need to buy your book sometime! 😊😊❤❤❤
I’m a Christian who has been really trying to grapple with what my perspective ought to be on transgender issues. At one point in time, it wasn’t something I really had to think about much mostly because the transgender conversation was still mostly considered fringe and so I just accepted whatever the most prevalent Christian perspectives on the issue were. Since then, transgender rights have come to the forefront of discourse and I have many transgender people in my life including my best friend who I love very much. It has forced me to really begin to meditate deeply on the issue and the arguments against it from a biblical perspective. I haven’t fully landed anywhere yet, but I repeatedly am struck by what seems like an inherent weakness in the arguments from the anti-transgender Christian perspective. I keep thinking about the references to Eunuchs throughout the Bible, and I can’t help but feeling/wondering that it seems that Eunuchs could have been considered (even by the Biblical authors) to be something like a third gender. They certainly and specifically had unique gender roles which were prevalently understood by the society’s they existed in. I know it’s not a perfect comparison, but in thinking about these things and trying to discern what the Bible (or at least the cultural context in which some of the Bible was written in) might have to say about gender roles outside of man/woman, the Eunuch’s seem to be the closest comparison I can think of.
ANDREW, DON'T BE DECEIVED, GOD CREATED TWO GENDER PERIOD! OTHER GENDERS ARE MAN-MADE AND A CHOICE OF PERSON. THE BIBLE IS CLEAR IN LEVITICUS, ROMANS, 1 CORINTHIANS 11, JUDGE, AND DEUTERONOMY THAT GOD DOES ALLOW BODY MUTILATION, AND WHOEVER PRACTISES THIS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
@@Dboi1157 hi! I am curious what is your understanding of people born intersex with ambiguous genitalia? Doctors will usually perform genital surgery on these individuals to artificially assign them a gender as babies after their birth.
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
Thank you for sharing this video. I found this when I needed it most. For so long I have fought a battel in my head. Where every cell in my body screams I am a girl while my body shows different and the bible seems to imply that I'm an abomination. So then the biblical war in my head starts. The pain this has caused over the years. There has been vary little true happiness in my life. I have gotten real good at putting on the fake face everyone expects of me. If this was only a choice I made, I'd chose to be normal. No one in there right or left mind would chose to live like this.
Addicts also feel unhappy. That doesn't mean the Bible tells us to condone and affirm addicts in their addiction. It may be hard, but you need to try to get past it. Things like this can be difficult, but that's what happens in life, and the cost of being a Christian is high. You need to be willing to accept that cost. Don't be discouraged, you can always be forgiven if you repent. Luke 9:23 says "And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me." If you think transgenderism isn't a sin, you should read into Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Corinthians 11:14-15.
@@victorkifyak6858 Victor, Sometimes its in the details of what you do not know. Since has proven 2 things that explain it better. 1). The human body starts to form long before the brain starts to be built in the mothers womb. Putting that in layman's terms. Some times the brain develops differently then the body. This could bring abought the body of man and yet having the brain that is wired as a female. Since has recently discovered that people who are transgender have brains that are structured just like that of the gender they identified with, while there body's are different from the gender they identify with. Yes a mans brain is built or structured differently from that of a woman's brain. Knowing this you should come to realize that being transgender is a birth defect. I ask you, would God condemn someone for a birth defect? I to like to quote scripture, take a good long look at what the Bible calls an "Eunuch". See Isaiah 56 3-7 . Pay closes attention to 4 - 6. --> Isaiah 56:4-7 4 For this is what the LORD says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant- 5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will endure forever. Note how God sets the Eunuch as separate from "sons and daughters". God said: " to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters ". He said better then son's and daughters. So he is affirming that an Eunuch is not a man nor a women. God is also affirming the struggles we transgender Christians face. Dear Christian brother, it is not a choice, but how a person is born. More proof can be found at: Matthew 19:12 (ESV) "For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.” Look at what Jesus said in the last sentence: " Let the one who is able to receive this receive it ". Hear Jesus is indicating that it is not an easy thing to receive. Jesus also confirms that some are Born as an eunuch. Please brother in Christ, look up these scriptures I have quoted, so you may read them your self and that you may believe the good word. Remember first and foremost Jesus is in the forgiving business. Secondly I ask you to give serious thought and put your self in this scenario, What would you feel like if you where born with a the body of a girl but with the exact mind / soul you ( as Victor) have or are now? Would not every cell in your body scream out that something is wrong? Would you ever be comfortable in your own (girls) skin? Be honest with your self. Or if you woke up and found that you (Victor) now was in a women's body, but you still had the brain and or soul of Victor? How would you feel? Just thinking a bought it should make your skin crawl. Yet we transgender folks go through this every day every minuet and every second of our lives. If it where just a choice, I would chose to be normal rather then go through the living hell I have had to endure all my life. If you could truly comprehend it, You would understand that no one would ever chose this for them selves. No more would someone chose being transgender then chose to have a cleft pallet or any other number of birth defects. Victor, May the good Lord walk with you and bless you always. Amen.
Being transgender is a choice. You can't get around it. Granted, often it is difficult for people to get past things they're drawn to, but it doesn't make it good. As for the verses you mentioned about eunuchs, eunuchs are not some "third gender". God is saying that He will give them a title greater than son or daughter. He's not saying He will take away the title they have and make them a completely different gender. It's not about gender in this verse. He's saying that the eunuch will have a title to be happier about than just being called a son or daughter. God cares for how you serve Him. That's my interpretation. You mentioned Matthew 19:12 very out of context. If you actually read the rest of passage before that verse, you see this is relating to divorce. Jesus says here that people who can receive the idea of being unmarried should receive it. This isn't about some third gender. Jesus actually says in that very same passage earlier, very clearly, that "the Creator 'made them male and female'" and He makes it very clear that there is a distinction between them and mentions those distinctions and different roles. Eunuchs aren't some third gender. They are very clearly men who have been castrated. God made humans male and female, and there weren't some other genders made that we don't know about. I understand that many people suffer from things like gender dysphoria, but you need to turn from it. To try to validate transgenderism is to try to invalidate the reality that God has made clear. God made humans male and female. Tell me, why do you think a man become a woman? If a man can become a woman, what is a woman? Can an adult who identifies as a baby be a baby? Can a car actually be a shoe? See, transgenderism attempts to confuse the reality the God has created. If you think anyone can be a woman, how do you define a woman? If you say that anyone can be something as long as they identify as that thing, then how do you define that thing? If you think self perception rules over reality, then what is reality? If someone identified as a house, who would you be to deny them with the transgender view? God has made a clear reality. We are in no place to deny this reality. I know it's hard for some people, especially today, to accept that and to turn away from these ideas, but there are difficult things in life. Some people are addicts, and I sympathize, but I know what they're doing is wrong.
Thank you for making this video as it needs to be addressed. People like you are helping make a difference in the world. As for the negative hate responses I have read, they are the reason I am having such a hard time with the Bible. I try to see the love that the Bible preaches and then I hear people condemning so much and talk so bad to others, especially those suffering from things they can't help. This is why we are so divided and I hope someday the peace and love the Bible promises will come to light.
Hi James. People will be people. They are not God, though they feel compelled to speak on their behalf. God can speak for themselves. We are not called to look at people. We are called to look on Jesus. That's why he came - to show us the way. No matter what others say, make Jesus your focus.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. Perhaps if you first accept the truth that a sin is a sin (no matter how you feel about it), and that men are not women, then you will find the love you are looking for. We are all sinners. No one deserves God's love, but He gave it anyway. Jesus paid the price of our sins so we can focus on love instead. And how we love God? By following his commandments. Sure, we will still sin along the way. But always we can re-affirm our love for Jesus (as He did for Peter) and try again.
In puberty my chest kept switching between male/female. My calmness comes from taking my estrogen for transition. My mind is not racing at full speed without stopping.
"Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like." James 1:23-24 Be careful that you don't live the life god has blessed you with as the false prophet god has warned us of Dr. Jonathan Tallon. His hand is against those who see false visions and speak their minds over his will. "The fear of the lord is the beginning of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction." Proverbs 1:7... You should remember that.
Hi Gigi, thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, I don't find it particularly helpful, because it is a general point that we can all agree on. We are trying to discern what God is saying through the Word. If you have specific points where you believe my argument is incorrect, please share them.
Thank you for engaging directly, Gigi - it is appreciated. Let's accept your argument that intersex and trans-genderism are the results of the fall (though I am less clear what you mean by sin in our physical bodies leading to imperfections, unless you are referring to original sin). This would also be true of all imperfections - for example, poor eye-sight, or illnesses. The question then comes, what do we do next? With other 'imperfections' (to stay with your terms and your argument) we try to treat them. If I have poor eyesight, I can wear glasses or have laser surgery. If I have an illness, I take a medicine. And we work out from scientific evidence what gives the best results. So we have a group of people who experience a mismatch between their physical bodies and expression of gender and their innate sense of gender identity. Using your own arguments, we would want to treat them to help them. There are two options. Either to change the innate sense of gender so that it matches the physical body and expected gender expression, or to change the physical body and/or expression to match their innate sense of identity. In principle, I don't see why one should be preferred over the other. Saying that 'God is the one who "assigns" gender' doesn't help us, because you have already argued that the world is not how God originally intended. And if God assigns gender, then God assigns both innate sense of identity and physical body. Why privilege the body over the spirit? And in practice, efforts to change sense of gender identity fail. In contrast, efforts to bring gender identity and physical body/expression into line by changing the latter are far more successful. Of those who do transition, the regret rate is less than 2% (I believe in fact close to 1%) - this is far lower than for most forms of surgery. So in principle there is no reason not to change the body rather than the gender identity, and in practice it is far more successful. The situation for those who are intersex is different again - if they are happy with their chosen/given gender identity, or to identify as neither/both, I don't see the issue, if you think that this is a result of living in a fallen world. Your thought experiment with Adam is interesting, but we could broaden it to other choices. What if Adam had said 'well God, I can't do that because I wish to be celibate'? We cannot use Adam's choice to say that all other choices or experiences are wrong. You say that feelings change all the time. But we are not talking about a passing emotion here, but a deep sense of identity (that is partly genetic in origin). I may get angry or sad or happy, but I have never doubted my identity as male since as far back as I can remember. I suspect your experience is also true - that you have never doubted your identity. A small percentage of people also have a similarly constant sense of their identity - only it fails to match their physical bodies. I hope this gives you a greater understanding of where I am coming from. Once again, thank you for taking the time to set down your detailed response to the video.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Well, the problem is you believe there are only two options. I believe there is only one option. It's not by your own might, it's not by your own power, it's by his spirit. The bible tells us "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."- Romans 12:2 Only God can heal people of this mental illness. You say "in practice, efforts to change sense of gender identity fail." Well, this is because It will not and cannot change via human efforts. You have to believe in the power of the holy spirit to deliver these individuals. In addition, studies show that those with gender dysphoria are still 20 times more likely to commit suicide than the general population, which suggests that there is an underlying issue with their mental health. You say "And if God assigns gender, then God assigns both innate sense of identity and physical body. Why privilege the body over the spirit?" God assigns sex it is their "choice" whether or not they want to follow the sex god has given them. You also said " We cannot use Adam's choice to say that all other choices or experiences are wrong"....Yes we can because God gave him a direct instruction, and when God tells you to do something I'd suggest you follow what he says. "A small percentage of people also have a similarly constant sense of their identity - only it fails to match their physical bodies." Well again, it doesn't matter how you feel, "God created male and female" only a fool listens to his own mind and feelings over God's word just as you have done in the creation of this video. It's difficult to watch a so-called "reverend" try to tell God's children that God's words are "really poor arguments." Thanks for taking time to reply, but your points are not based on his word. you haven't even quoted one scripture to justify your claims.
Hi Gigi, thanks for engaging further. You believe that there is only one option. I still believe there are further options, which don't contradict God's word. You say only God can heal people. This is true, but easily used as a cop-out. We don't say this about other conditions. We don't say to someone who has broken a leg 'only God can heal you'. We don't say it about schizophrenia, or depression. We don't say it about heart disease. I am short-sighted, so I wear glasses. Saying 'only God can heal' when we have interventions that can help is, I believe, reading scripture profoundly wrongly. It is similar to James 2:14-17 - thoughts and prayers are good, but empty if not backed by practical help that can be offered. You are right about the high suicide rate amongst those with gender dysphoria. This makes it all the more critical to ensure that we deal with this in the most loving way. Denying treatment that has the best outcomes is not loving. You say God assigns 'sex', but surely God also assigns our sense of identity? Otherwise we are cutting God out from a part of our lives, and diminishing God. If our sense of identity is not important, only our physical bodies, then our identity in Christ is just a 'feeling'. I do not believe that such an approach is Biblical. In the New Testament, our identity in Christ is the thing of supreme value, irrespective of our physical bodies. This is the argument that Paul is making in both Romans and Galatians, where others were trying to argue that the status of the physical body (circumcised or not) was key. You are right that God gave Adam a direct instruction. It was to 'go forth and multiply'. By your logic, everyone who doesn't marry AND have children is sinning. This is not the Christian understanding over the last two thousand years. The direct instruction was given to Adam, not to us. People who are celibate or childless are not, through virtue of that, sinners. Again, I would point out that some identities are deep rooted, and to downplay them as 'feelings' is to ignore part of God's creation. For the record, I have never told people that God's words 'are really poor arguments'. I have said this about how some people have interpreted scripture. And I am happy to stand by that. Thank you once again for your engagement.
Hello everyone! I’m a transgender man (female to male) and I have a question to ask. I read the comments and most of you are okay with transitioning and transgender people whether it’s trans-nonbinary or trans-binary. But if someone who is transphobic comes up to you and starts being nasty and potentially calling you slurs, how should you react? Asking for a friend!
Hi, it is never easy when other people are offensive. The response depends on so many factors. Jesus said to 'turn the other cheek', but he also entered the temple area and turned over the money-changers' tables. Sometimes offensive stuff needs challenging. I wish you wisdom in discerning the most loving, just response in each case.
@@BibleandHomosexuality By His cleansing the temple we learn how the religion of the Lord should be respected and not dishonored by the desires of men.be seperated...... by turning the other cheek meaning do not retaliate when someone wrongs you
Hi Segtha. Yes, the contexts are different - which is why context is so important in deciding how we should respond. Please also note that challenging is not the same as retaliating. It is often right to challenge inappropriate comments as soon as they are made. But that is not retaliation, but pointing out injustice or wrong-doing. Jesus reacted in different ways at different times, and I am suggesting we need to do the same, using God's wisdom in our discernment.
I am against all things lgbtq, so, unless I have to engage with one at work, I just avoid them. I would NEVER initiate an argument or be nasty. That would be very rude.
I must admit that I want to believe this video is the right approach. I do. I used to be a part of this community in middle school because I wanted to make myself special. I wanted to claim labels in order to crown myself with importance. God has thankfully guided me away from this. Sometimes I still do wish I could return. But that would mean putting my own desires for a truth that would fit how I feel above the perfect will of God for my life. At the end of the day, anything that you feel inside is determined by the Bible to be corrupt, because our hearts are corrupt and full of sin. If the heart is deceitful, then it must be checked against what the Bible says, not the other way around. And who is the clay to tell the potter how he is to be made? I appreciate your calm and rational reasoning in the comments, as I do honor and respect your opinion. There is nowhere in the Bible that allows for the brutal harassment of transgender and LGBTQ+ people that is seen in daily life. God gave us all the free will to do as we wish. It is uncomfortable for me to say this. I sympathize with those who have encountered dysphoria. I understand hating your body and not feeling happy. But only God’s love can fill that void. Changing yourself will only lead to more pain. I leave this comment, believer to believer, simply because I cannot sit idly and watch the Bible be used in such a way to justify personal wishes and desires, and not in a way that reveals the will of God. Love and prayers
Thank you for your engagement. I appreciate your search for the truth and heart for the Bible. But you don't actually say why you think the Bible says that being transgender is wrong, or where the reasoning in the video was faulty.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I suppose you have a point there. I don't have a specific answer to what I think you're looking for right now, but I will look into it and see if I can find a conclusion. If I don't respond here again... i probably just forgot (I'm very busy with school and college applications right now).
@@jonedward3208 Hello. Is this for one of us in particular? Did you capitalise 'men' in the last one to make it seem only one gender was saved -- I tended to assume it was used there to mean 'people' - a great encouragement to us all.
No, it's not. No, I hope this video does not show up in anyone's feed or search results because this video is full of bs. Try searching for "Debunking Myths about the Biology of Sex" coz that is the truth. As for the Bible, just search on what the Pope had to say. Don't rely on that heretic in the video.
Thank you, this is the best video I've seen. People point to certain scriptures but they don't realize that the Bible never actually said being Trans is a sin. It might be what I considered an affliction more than sin because the corruption have sin has corrupted our DNA. These people can't help how they feel
@@BibleandHomosexuality just trying to do God's work the best I'm capable of doing. Love and forgiveness and teaching Jesus mercy and understanding. Jesus wants no one going to Hell.
So this is basically saying that it’s okay to reject God’s choice and decide on our own free will to sin and reject ourselves as who God made us to be? It’s said that everything is pre planned by God, where you will be born, what gender you will be born as, who’ll be your parents, what will be your height etc I’m curious, someone explain.
Hi Savage Bunny, I think you need to watch the video a few more times, as you appear to have completely misunderstood what I said. In regard to your second point, I was born with a predisposition to short sight. Should I avoid wearing glasses? Some people are born with congenital heart problems; is surgery to correct this disobeying God?
@@BibleandHomosexuality surgery used to treat diseases such as the one you mentioned is completely different than surgery used to enhance beauty, confidence or to change your gender that’s rejecting God’s choice for you. That’s also feeding our own fleshly worldly desires or obsessions cause it’s not spiritual correct me if I’m wrong.
Hi, you say it is completely different, but don't explain why. Either 'everything is pre-planned by God' and, to use your argument, you shouldn't change anything (including what you call diseases), or the issue is much more complex. And if you are happy addressing diseases/disorders, then gender dysphoria would come under this category.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Gender dysphoria is a man-made sociological/psychological issue that has spawned from the trans movement and is completely unrelated to incorrect vision or a congenital heart defect. How do we know it's a social issue? Because there is documented evidence of the increase of this dysphoria in some schools, where over the span of a few years the qty of kids identifying as trans has skyrocketed. Also, for vision deficiencies, the optometrist can diagnose that from the patient reading an eye chart. And for a heart defect - not a word from the patient is required. To diagnose these gender issues must be discussed, and at great length. You and I both wear glasses - assuming you don't have any significant eye maladies, you or I can get a 15-min diagnosis from an optometrist and have new corrective lenses within a few weeks, perhaps same-day. So it's not the same ballpark because it's not even the same sport. Please stop twisting the Bible to justify these man-made perversions into something that God would approve of.
Hello, I'm transgender who's about to start transitioning (Male to female ) and I'm new to Christianity (technically trying to return to it) and I've been told that being trans is a bad thing and that gave me the impression that god didnt want me a well as it made me start asking questions that I never had found an answer to which led me to this video. I want to thank you for sharing this, since it had made my day. Also keep up the good work and have a nice day. P.s you got another subscriber 😀
God loves you, but sin is still sin. We all walk in sin under God, but He still loves us. He wants us to turn from our sin. Trangenderism is a sin. Read Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Corinthians 11:14-15. It may be hard to turn from your desires, but addicts also have a hard time turning from their desires. That doesn't make their addiction. Don't be discouraged, God still loves you and wants you to turn from your sin. You need to trust in Him and repent, though.
All sins are forgiven by God if you truly seek Him and repent. In order for people to repent, however, they have to realize they are sinning. Who's going to repent of something they don't know is a sin? It's part of turning people to Jesus. I'm not going to tell people that they're fine how they are just to avoid hurting their feelings or avoiding making them scared. Proverbs 9:10 says “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” We need to fear the Lord and realize our need to turn from our sins. God hates all sin. Trusting in Jesus, having faith in Him, and repenting leads to forgiveness. As for what you said about putting myself in the other's shoes, I know I can't feel what gender dysphoric people feel, but I know that they need to turn from sin nonetheless. I don't know what it's like being a slaveholder, but I know that slavery is sinful. I don't know what it's like to be a murderer, but I know murder is sinful. I don't know what it's like being a homosexual, but I know that the Bible explicitly states multiple times that homosexuality is wrong. I know it can be hard for people to turn from sin, but it's what we're called to do. It's not an easy thing, but we can't just live in sin because it's hard to turn from it. There are alcoholics, and it may be very difficult for them to stop drinking so much. It's important that we acknowledge the sin and try to turn from it, looking to God and for help from others.
Of course God is loving. God loves us unconditionally. But God also hates sin, and there needs to be justice. God wants us to turn from our sin because He loves us. To turn from our sin, we need to know of our sin and the punishment for it. Also, I hear people who want to argue for transgenderism referencing eunuchs a lot. Eunuchs were just men who have been castrated. As for intersex people, that's just an exception that I also hear people referring to a lot about this topic. Intersex people are very different from transgender people. In this fallen world we live in, there are people born with defects, like with intersex people. This is a legitimate case where it can be difficult to identify the gender. Transgender people, however, are people who are clearly one gender and choose to be a different gender. Genesis 1:27 says "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." God made humans male and female. There's clearly a distinction between them, otherwise this difference wouldn't be mentioned. What was that distinction? What is a man, and what is a woman? Many people today would seem to argue that the distinction was based on perception, but that doesn't make sense. What perception did these two people have? God made the distinction before they had self perception or any kind of consciousness. Also, if it was based on self perception, then that suggests that it matters what the person identifies as. So transgender supporters might say a man can be a woman if he identifies as a woman. But wait, what is he identifying as? Well, a woman. But if a man can be a woman, then what really is a woman? With the transgender logic, someone could say a couch is a woman, or that a fridge could be a woman. After all, the idea suggests that self perception defines what a woman is. How can anybody really define what a woman is with that logic? It goes against the truth that God put in place.
Ok, but what is a man? What are you identifying as? Gos created humans male and female. There are no other genders mentioned ever in the Bible. That would've been something important to include. We can conclude from that that there are only two genders, and then some exceptions in the fallen world we live in today with intersex people. But no other genders were mentioned. And back to what I was asking: what are you identifying as? What does it mean to be a man? There might be women who generally have more masculine tendencies, and men who might have generally more feminine tendencies. They're still the gender they were born as. You're gender is based on the DNA, chromosomes, and body parts in your body that you were born with. If you want to suggest it isn't, then please let me know what you think it's based on. Is it self perception? In that case, again, we can say a man is anything. One person might determine that it's a shoe. One person might say it's a food company. There's a reality that God put in place that we can't defy. If someone identified as a person who doesn't have any arms when in fact he does have arms, would you affirm him and say he doesn't have arms? I would hope not, because you know the truth. There's a reality. He does have arms, despite what he says. He might actually want to cut his arms off in order to follow with that perception, like people trying to transition today, but I would hope you wouldn't try to justify that. An adult can say they're a baby, but they're still an adult. Also, being gay and transgender is in fact a choice. Some sins might be harder to get past than others, but we still need to turn from them. We can't just go against the reality God created. Look into the Bible, there are some clear verses that say homosexuality is a sin. I understand some people have things like gender dysphoria or feelings of homosexuality. There are also people who have more violent tendencies. I wouldn't justify them being violent based on the idea that that's just how they are. I'd want to encourage them to improve and to turn away from those tendencies. There are people who have depression. I wouldn't want to leave them be based on an idea that that's how they are. I'd want to help them through it. Likewise with homosexuals and transgender people. Just because you have tendencies toward sin and feel comfortable with it, you're not justified in engaging in it. You have to repent and rely on God, genuinely trying to turn from your sins despite how drawn to them you may feel.
I'm quite small in age and the explanation was kind of hard for me to comprehend. I would like to ask if it is actually okay to be transgender? I love christ as I was raised with christ. But i fear my parents will be disgusted by me
Hi Honey_dew_moon14, thanks for the question. I do think it's OK to be transgender. You say that you are 'quite small in age' - deciding whether or not you are transgender is an important decision, and not one to face alone. If you really think that your parents won't understand or help, and that it wouldn't be safe to tell them, then try to contact a supportive organisation that can help you begin to explore your gender identity.
@@sorazer1822 seek truth with your whole heart and you will find it. I'm not trans or anything but right now I'm questioning weather it really is right or not. Pray for wisdom. Also pray that God would give me wisdom as well.
Dont ask him ask God. If you want to know God,read your bible.God are the bible. Test all believes of men,against the bible. The believes of men are meaningless,because we all will stand before God an not before men.
It’s hard to get my family, who (for clarity) condemn the idea that trans people exist, to watch this. They don’t want to believe that I am a trans woman because of their faith and the fact that I didn’t show signs of presenting as female as a child which in my opinion isn’t really fair. They won’t let me see a therapist, they won’t let me hang out with my friends who are a mix of gay men, trans women and cis women and they won’t even acknowledge that I spoke to them about me being trans and are trying to gaslight themselves into thinking I never said I was trans. It’s so frustrating.
Hi, this issue isn't directly addressing your point, as your point doesn't address the issue of people being transgender. You appear to be talking about cross-dressing, which is a different issue completely. The issue here is determining which gender a person is.
Hello sir, I live in a very progressive yet very christian family and currently I am a roman catholic struggling with religion. I extremely appreciate your content and hope I don't overwhelm you with questions. 1- What about crossdressing? I'd like to understand your opinion on this. I can't wrap my head around how God would think of people that dress purposefully as the opposite gender, although identifying as their assigned gender, as an abomination. 2- What about hell? I've seen people making the analogy "you can choose to go 60mph on a 50mph, however, know that you will get ticket - same with hell" but the difference is a ticket is a minor annoyance while hell is eternal suffering. I think it is right to people to face the consequences of their actions, but what if a person repents whilst in hell? 3- What if a person is good but atheist? Why would they go to hell since they've not caused any harm to anyone, they were simply non-believers, shouldn't they go to heaven, realize their ignorance and accept Him as their saviour? 4- What about the verses talking about how tattoos, mixing animal breeds an wearing clothes from different materials are wrong? Thank you, reverend, I wish you a wonderful and blessed life.
Hi, thanks for the kind comments about my content. Briefly: 1. I don't think cross-dressing is wrong. 2. There are many different possible understandings of hell within Christian tradition. For example, St. Isaac the Syrian argued that hell was the pain of realising how much you were loved by God, and was not eternal. St Gregory of Nyssa speculated that even the devil would one day be brought to repentance and holiness. 3. I trust God to be gracious. 4. See my video on Leviticus th-cam.com/video/6nSPznp2ToU/w-d-xo.html - no, I don't think having tattoos etc is wrong. Christians are not called to obey the individual commands of the Torah (the first five books of the Bible), but are called to love God and love their neighbour. If you do that, you fulfil the law. Hope this helps.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Thank you SO, SO much for this. I've started to realized that we are often dismissed as "false christians" for our different interpretations of the Bible, why do you think that is? I have only a few final questions, I am deeply sorry if i'm being perhaps a little annoying, please let me know if so. 1- Could you elaborate on question 3? 2- What about abortion? Why is it wrong to not bring a baby into the world if they would be faced with having, say, a poor, underage and/or unloving family because they were "not intended"? 3- What about sex before marriage and divorce? I've always interpreted marriage as a simbolic representation of love and trust, which are both things a couple can have before marriage. A marriage without love and trust simply isn't a marriage anymore, so why would we keep two people who don't love each other from splitting their ways? 4- How, exactly, do we love God? I don't really understand how that would work and how we'd be able to truly love Him. Once again, thank you!
Hi funny moments, you are asking some big questions, and I'm afraid I don't think I'll have room in comments to answer them properly. Perhaps the most important question is no. 4 - how do we love God? First, we need to recognise that even more important is that God loves us, so anything we do is a response to that love, not a prerequisite for that love. Secondly, we show that love by loving those around us ('whoever loves a brother or sister lives in the light' 1 John 1:10). This is difficult (which is why we need God's grace) but is at the heart of our faith. Hope this helps.
Sorry sir, someone has not given you enough information... the scriptures has more than enough about both topics... hope this helps... enjoy your scripture study... and thank you for posting and doing you best with what you had.... Genesis 1:26-27, 5:1-2, Numbers 11:12, Job 21:24, Isaiah 49:23, 60:16, 66:11, Daniel 2:32, Matthew 19:11-12, Luke 18:13, John 13:25, 21:20, Revelation 1:13, 15:6 and are best read in the original text... ABBA help us all and be blessed... Lord love you for helping...
Hi, I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Some of your verses refer to Genesis 1, where God makes male and female. The others seem mostly to pick out verses where the word chest/breast is used. I am unsure how you think this is relevant to the topic of people who are transgender.
@@BibleandHomosexuality That verse is misread by most because it is taken out of context and at times also not taking into account the original text and or reading of the scripture here... God is both male and female not male or female... There the man, 'the hā·’ā·ḏām', of verse 26-27 and of chapter 5:1-2 also know as Adam and Eve... are not he is male, she is female, both as the text says 'male and female created HE them'... They were as, God is, intersexed... both male and female... not one or the other... meaning all possibilities for gender and sex variation and verity are retained in such... The other verses, passages and chapters of the bible when read in their original text and context, rather than translator bias... which is most unfortunate.. hinders the seeing of that and have had to false doctrine about many things... not sex and gender only...
Thank you for putting together this video, I really hope this would talk some sense into some hardcore religious people who are against transgender people like myself. I also hope that this video will help my dad accept me as his daughter rather than his son...
Thanks for commenting, Marian. I'm sorry that you've had your identity attacked in this way. I hope that the video is helpful should you ever be on the receiving end again.
Maybe you can accept that your dad raised you as a boy. And he identifies you as a son. And he identifies himself as a man and a dad. Or does the respect only have to go one way.
Hi Christopher, CaptSmokey6 never suggested that his father should stop identifying himself as a father and a man, and I'm sure would agree that his father raised him as a boy. Nor did he suggest that he disrespects his father.
@@jonedward3208 Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
The man in this video tries to blur the line between transgender and intersex to cause confusion. "Is gender confusion wrong?" Maybe a better question should be where does gender confusion come from? It does not come from God because God is not the author of confusion.
Hi, thanks for your comment - sorry if you found it confusing. As I say in the video, any 'confusion' already exists with the mismatch between someone's assigned sex and their own gender identity. Transitioning is a way of bringing these into line with each - reducing confusion. I am not sure it is relevant to this argument to ask where the 'confusion' comes from (though I agree with you that God is not the author of confusion).
Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. We need to seek our Creator to understand our identity in Christ, not in our sex or gender. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
Hi oil flask, thanks for commenting. In the video I explain that, if the issue is gender confusion, then it makes as much sense to get the body to fit with the gender identity as it does to try to make the gender identity fit the body (in fact, the latter empirically appears to be much harder and much more likely to lead to lasting psychological damage). Gender transition is a way of reducing 'confusion'.
I’m transgender but my make friends thinks I’m weird and so do my parents and idk what to do I just wanna be a girl and my parents are forcing me to be a boy
7:02 You state a study about twins, that there's a 20-30% chance the 2nd identical twin will also transition (a statistic) while admitting the cause is unknown. Frat-twins are at 2-3% for 2nd transitioning, which does suggest that due to 50% shared DNA, the decrease to 2-3% is from a biological factor because shared DNA decreased. BUT - if it's a biological factor - the identical transition rate would seem like it should be MUCH higher than 20-30%. I would conclude from this study that gender identity is NOT biological in nature. You say the physical brain structure is less conclusive for gender identity - but the brain structure is the sole 'mental' component (in the womb) that could drive gender identity, as the fetus has no consciousness of 'self'. In addition, you do not mention the ages at which the twins transition, but it's safe to assume none of them are below the age of 5. In the 1st 5 years of life the body, brain and personality are developing in response to a tremendous amount of environmental influence - so to attribute the gender identity issues of the twins in this study to pre-birth conditions seems quite ludicrous. If they transition above age 5, with every passing year they are exposed to a significant amount of societal inputs into their identity. This seems to be a case of finding the best data to support a conclusion, and pointing it toward that conclusion, rather than seeing what the data actually points toward.
Hi Furyfantoo, thanks for engaging. Let me explain better. As you say, for heterozygous (fraternal) twins only 2-3% have both transitioning. They share 50% of their genes. For identical twins, where one transitions, there's a 20-30% chance of the other also transitioning. They share 100% of their genes. You say that if it's a biological factor, then the transition rate should be much higher. But, as we know, in practice whether people transition depends also on their environment. For example, I would expect fewer people to transition in Florida after recent legal changes. This doesn't mean that they don't have gender dysphoria; just that a hostile social environment is going to make it harder/more dangerous to transition. Now imagine separated twins. One grows up in California; one in Florida. We would expect the one in California to be more likely to transition because of the different social environment. Even in 'friendly' environments, there are many factors that make it difficult to transition, including cost, healthcare and hostility from sections of society. So it is relatively easy to imagine why one twin may delay or choose not to transition where their sibling does decide to. Also, the studies take a snapshot in time; we do not know if in future years the sibling who hasn't transitioned will then transition. Given this, a figure of 20-30% of both identical twins transitioning is what we might reasonably expect if there were a large genetic component to gender dysphoria. Your second point argues that much development happens in the first five years of life before transition, so why attribute gender identity issues to pre-birth causes. The reason is the comparison with heterozygous twins. They provide a control group. In each case, the children will be brought up with similar environment, including social context, parenting style, etc. Yet despite this, the siblings who share genes are far, far more likely to both transition than those where the genes aren't shared. The main difference is genetic, so it makes sense to attribute the change in likelihood of both transitioning to genetic causes. If the heterozygous twins also had a figure near 20-30%, you might have a point. But they don't, the figure is an order of magnitude lower. This type of comparison between identical and fraternal twins is commonly used in psychology to investigate all sorts of phenomena as a way of seeing whether a genetic component is significant. In other words, this is pretty conclusive evidence that gender dysphoria has a large genetic component. You also mention physical brain structure, and expect this to be a better indicator. However there is already a great overlap between the range of brain structures typical for females and males. In addition, physical brain structure does not tell you much about what is actually going on in the brain (in the same way that looking at the outside of a computer chip can't tell you much about what has been programmed on it). Hope this helps explain why gender dysphoria has a large biological (and specifically genetic) component to it.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Firstly, this is not intended as a criticism of you, and I also can only comment on the study(s) as presented in the video. This format does not readily allow for point-by-point debate, but I see flaws in logic. Your initial commentary on these studies (in the video) is using correlational data to presume causation (a fundamental fallacy) compounded by ignoring environmental factors (a confounding variable). Yes, it is common to use twins in studies in the belief that the environment is comparable and reduces that variable (that's the best we can hope for in sociological studies, anyway). But in your current rebuttal, you are suggesting if the twins are in split environments, that environmental factors would have suppressed the transgendering of one of them, and therefore the correlation should actually be higher. The data is the data - you cannot make assumptions that modify the data, and then presume those assumptions only increase support in the data! One could argue that it's the opposite: suppose they are in the same geological environment yet one twin hangs around with GID people and the other plays football and basketball instead (take a guess which one transitions?). And so for any study worth its salt, using twins to have a control group would *require* them to be in the same environment to minimize confounding variables; either they haven't accounted for that, and consequently reduced validity, or they have, and the 20-30% transition rate is then not significant. To reiterate - there is absolutely no valid basis to make the assumption that changing the confounding variable in a 'favorable' way would increase the correlation and therefore bolster a causation conclusion that can't be made in the first place. I mentioned brain structure only because you did. Pre-birth brain structure is perhaps the ONLY factor not affected by environment, and yet the studies state that brain structure shows NO significant correlation. The 20-30% correlation of transition for identical twins - let's put this in layman's language. If 1 transitions, the vast majority of the time the 2nd one doesn't. If we insist to make the fallacy of causation out of correlation, the % needs to be much greater than 50-50. These studies show it would be a safer bet for red/black in roulette. For your conclusion that identicals are significant vs fraternals - yes, it's a significant increase, 20-30% vs 2-3%. But - there's another variable deeper there: identical twins are always the same gender, and can readily be believed to be very 'tight' and spending most of their time together. Frat-twins can be different gender, and could be less likely to spend time together as they are more like 'plain' siblings than identicals are. If the studies are stipulating to use only same-sex fraternals in order to reduce that variable, then they are making the fallacy of composition across the whole population of fraternals. And now this: Data from the UK's Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) in 2016 blows biological factors out of the water. The stats for kids referred to Health Services for transitioning: 969 under-18s had been referred in the UK in 2015-16, including nearly 200 aged 12 or under. This compares to just 94 in 2009-2010.
Hi, thanks for the continued engagement - it's appreciated. However, I have to disagree with your analysis. This is why. First, the point about differing environments was to show that we shouldn't expect a figure close to 100% similarity between twins for transitioning, even if gender dysphoria was completely accounted for solely by genetics. This is because not everyone who experiences dysphoria will transition, and the likelihood of them transitioning is subject to multiple environmental factors. Your example makes this point very well: if one twin had friends supportive of transitioning, and one twin had a circle of friends who were hostile, we would not be surprised if the twins reacted differently from each other, even if both had gender dysphoria. Second, at the end you make a point about an increase in referrals in the UK from 2010 to 2016, and suggest that means that it cannot be biological. This is a fallacy. Greater awareness of the possibility and greater acceptance in society would mean more people who have gender dysphoria taking steps to transition earlier in life. A historical comparison is the percent of people who identify as left-handed. This is also biological in cause, yet saw a large increase from 2% of the population in 1860 to currently about 12% of the population. This change is because in 1860 being left-handed was seen as wrong, and children punished if they displayed signs of being left-handed. Remove this stigma, and you get more people prepared to identify as left-handed. Third, your main point is that 20-30% is less than fifty-fifty, using the example of red-black in roulette. But this is the wrong comparison. In the general population, transitioning is rare (0.5% according to the latest UK census). Or, about 1 in 200 people. If transitioning were random, then if one twin transitioned, we would expect the other twin to transition only 1 in 200 cases. We find it higher in fraternal twins: about 1 in 40 pairs of twins. (Similar to the odds of getting zero in roulette). But with identical twins, about 1 in 4 pairs have both transitioning. Imagine playing roulette, betting on zero, and it coming up every fourth roll of the wheel. You'd think the table was rigged, that this was exceptional. Similarly, the figure of 20-30% is exceptional: it is not chance, and it is significantly different by an order of magnitude even from fraternal twins. That is why I said (and feel free to check with any social scientist or psychologist about this type of data) that these figures indicate a strong genetic component.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Responses are inserted/indented below quoted paragraphs from your most recent reply. At some point such a broad discussion won't be sustainable, we are already way into TLDR zone for anyone but you and me. "First, the point about differing environments was to show that we shouldn't expect a figure close to 100% similarity between twins for transitioning, even if gender dysphoria was completely accounted for solely by genetics. This is because not everyone who experiences dysphoria will transition, and the likelihood of them transitioning is subject to multiple environmental factors. Your example makes this point very well: if one twin had friends supportive of transitioning, and one twin had a circle of friends who were hostile, we would not be surprised if the twins reacted differently from each other, even if both had gender dysphoria. " I wouldn't have the expectation that it would be near 100%, but logic suggests if there's a biological factor, their identical genes should put transitioning at least 50%, right? From the data presented in the video, I could make this statement that would be totally accurate - 'When 1 of an identical twin set transitions, usually/most times/generally the other one doesn't.' (any of those words is accurate) Whilst there is potential that both twins feel GID (correlating to a genetic marker), the data you referenced focused on manifesting into transition, so I will as well. "Second, at the end you make a point about an increase in referrals in the UK from 2010 to 2016, and suggest that means that it cannot be biological. This is a fallacy. Greater awareness of the possibility and greater acceptance in society would mean more people who have gender dysphoria taking steps to transition earlier in life." A historical comparison is the percent of people who identify as left-handed. This is also biological in cause, yet saw a large increase from 2% of the population in 1860 to currently about 12% of the population. This change is because in 1860 being left-handed was seen as wrong, and children punished if they displayed signs of being left-handed. Remove this stigma, and you get more people prepared to identify as left-handed."
The left-handedness is a good rebuttal, and I will admit it has logical validity to explain the rise. I am far from an expert, but from my readings stigma-removal seems to be applied as the SOLE explanation for the increase in LH population. But as it cannot PROVE the increase in LH, it certainly cannot prove the increase in GID! If it cannot prove for GID, it certainly cannot disprove/exclude the social contagion aspect of other theories of GID. Yet from commentary I've read, people are trying to make that very exclusion. Regardless, if the stigma-removal explanation is true, we should reasonably expect to see large bursts (similar to teh UK data) in many places worldwide, in regions/communities that are supportive. But have we? Also, to my understanding, the 'correction' of LH was only applied to handwriting, not to other activity (feel free to correct me with data if I'm wrong), so the criteria applied to whether someone is categorized as LH or RH puts a variable into what that 'LH increase' data explicitly represents. Furthermore, the twin birth rate rose 76 percent from 1980 through 2009, from 18.9 to 33.3 per 1,000 births (a basic Google statistic). It is interesting to see another example of a biological increase, yet I doubt there is an attempt to attribute that to removal of a stigma. (yes, I understand LH has an sociological factor, but it is a biologic characteristic all the same) "Third, your main point is that 20-30% is less than fifty-fifty, using the example of red-black in roulette. But this is the wrong comparison. In the general population, transitioning is rare (0.5% according to the latest UK census). Or, about 1 in 200 people. If transitioning were random, then if one twin transitioned, we would expect the other twin to transition only 1 in 200 cases. We find it higher in fraternal twins: about 1 in 40 pairs of twins. (Similar to the odds of getting zero in roulette). But with identical twins, about 1 in 4 pairs have both transitioning. Imagine playing roulette, betting on zero, and it coming up every fourth roll of the wheel. You'd think the table was rigged, that this was exceptional. Similarly, the figure of 20-30% is exceptional: it is not chance, and it is significantly different by an order of magnitude even from fraternal twins. " I haven't explained my roulette comparison clearly or it's been misinterpreted. My meaning was that if a person knows an identical twin is transitioning, and must guess on the other twin, even with the proposed biological factors involved that 'enhance' the liklihood, the odds of guessing correctly are still worse than red/black at roulette (which is the best odds in that game, a game of sheer chance). Another problem: population size. Transitioning is rare at .5%, quick Googling shows 3% of population is a twin (generic 2009 data) - that's quite a narrowing. The union of those sets is super-tiny! Smaller population sizes always have risk of skewed data leading to incorrect conclusions (and again, there's the correlation-causation fallacy). Some questions I have on the twins in this (or other studies), because there is a large risk of the fallacy of composition: How are the twins 'gathered'? (pool generation) How are they selected to participate? (acceptance/rejection by either the participats or the study) Are different-gender twins included, or only same-gender? (if same gender, that's a sample-selection bias error, and if different gender, those bring in a confounding variable vs the identical twins) What is communicated to the potential participants as to the purpose of the study? (knowledge of the purpose can bias the population) What is the data collection process to the selected participants? (participant bias to report/not-report true facts) For either type of twins, but especialy the identicals - is one dominant over the other? For the 20-30% results - are those across the entire population, or just those in the study? (relates back to super-tiny union of sets) I am not expecting you to have the answers nor research them, but just to contemplate that there is much potential for composition error, bias in the participant sample, and the data they then collect. As transitioning is HIPA data, IMO it would be difficult to accurately ascertain such data without contact directly from the individuals, and collecting data from people is always more susceptible to bias. "That is why I said (and feel free to check with any social scientist or psychologist about this type of data) that these figures indicate a strong genetic component." In the majority of cases where 1 twin transitions, the other does not. I do not disagree that there seems to be an increase in correlation in the data, or that it's not a significant one. My contention is that drawing causation from such studies is invalid, but even if one uses those conclusions, with all the proposed 'clues' to guide the guess, the odds are you will not guess correctly.
I appreciate your assertions on the matter. You brought up some great points. However, I am still not convinced. The Bible EXPLICITLY warns against acts of homosexuality, none of which you mentioned in your video. Take Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Or Deuteronomy 22:5: "“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God." These are just two examples. What say you on this?
Hi Vince, thanks for commenting. I do not know why you are mentioning homosexuality - this is a separate issue from being transgender (and one I deal with at length in my other videos, including addressing Leviticus). You mention Deuteronomy - I deal with this in the associated website page.
@@BibleandHomosexuality You seem to go to extreme ends by refuting numerous parts of the Bible to fit your views. Are you certain you are interpreting this correctly, even though most of the Christian world would strongly disagree?
Hi Vince, I do not know what you mean by 'extreme ends' or that I am 'refuting' parts of the Bible. The methods of interpretation I am using are standard (including within evangelicalism).
@@BibleandHomosexuality The Bible prohibits changing your gender in any way, shape or form. It says that in black and white. How do you define "standard" interpretation?
Please do not just post verses without your interpretation. I have a video on Romans that covers the verses in question thoroughly (and they are not to do with people who are transgender in any case). On the linked website, I go in more detail about Deuteronomy 22:5. I hope you find these resources helpful.
This is too funny. You have not listed one single Scripture that condones any of this. Just scientific theory. Nice to have a face to put on one of Satan's sheep. And for those with so called strong faith I'm a boy trapt in a girl's body or vice versa you just claimed God made a mistake.
Hi Gordon, thanks for engaging, though I'd rather you didn't insult fellow Christians by calling them 'Satan's sheep'. You're right that this video, in comparison to my others, has less scriptural content. But that is because it is examining the claims often made that being transgender is against the Bible. And those claims have minimal use of the Bible. You're right that there is no single scripture that explicitly condones being transgender, just as there is no single scripture that explicitly condemns being transgender. Put simply, the Bible doesn't address this directly. On 'God doesn't make mistakes' - I address this directly in the video. Perhaps watch it again?
The bible does address it. Flat out says man shall not wear woman's clothes and woman shall not wear man's clothes. Not to mention go forth and multiple. A guy who thinks he's a woman can't multiply. He's doesn't have the organs that are god given to do so. I don't know which new version of the bible everyone is reading but the long James version which is still said to be the closest translation of the the real Bible has alot to say on the matter. As for calling "fellow" christians Satan's sheep well I'm sorry but I call a duck a duck if they truly believe in there hearts that the bible condones what they do. That is Satan's work. They are jumping fully into Satan's deciete.
Hi Gordon, I address this verse in the linked website page; you can find it here: www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people/ The verse you mention is, if relevant at all, only relevant to tranvestism, not people who are transgender (and there are further issues regarding this as well). You are begging the question if you start off by defining being transgender as 'a guy who thinks he's a woman' rather than 'a woman seeking to align her expression and biology with her gender'. You say 'he' doesn't have the organs that are God given to do so. But she does have the identity that is God given to do so (and definitions based on organs always come unstuck; does a hysterectomy mean someone stops being a woman?). Also, now I am confused. Am I a sheep or a duck?
@@BibleandHomosexuality Of course the Bible doesn't explicitly mention transgendering - it's a concept borne out of a society that is turning its back on God with every generation. Puberty blockers, cutting genitalia off (circumcision is minor in comparison), fake boobs - none of that was even a concept back then. The Bible doesn't mention p*o*r*n, but any faithful person knows it's not approved based on other Biblical teachings. All of your argument seems to be that a person's identity, which is mis-matched to the body, should rule the day - but that identity is very much formed by a variety of social mechanisms, external to biology.
A topic that always intrigued me was the demonization of LGBTQs. I often heared that demons are the reason for being queer and that bad parent figures or sexual trauma are "door-opener" for those "confusions". In my opinion it is very hard to counter argument against this, because those are claims without any biblical explanations nor facts. In science there is no correlation between beeing queer and sexual trauma. How would you argument in this topic? Do you have any thoughts?
God didn't not make an mistake with your gender:For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
I'm afraid this argument (God did not make a mistake) doesn't hold up. It's more of a slogan than an argument. Our sense of gender (identity) is also formed in the womb. To use body and soul language, why are you privileging the body over the soul? Did God make a mistake with people's gender identity, but only got the physical body right? And what about the physical bodies where there are mistakes or limitations. Are we meant just to put up with them? Should I stop wearing glasses because these are the eyes God has given me, and 'God does not make a mistake'? Sorry if this comes across as blunt, but this argument is often trotted out and it makes little sense when examined more than cursorily.
If it was my words: I really dont care what people do,but as an Christian I follow Jesus, and Jesus truth. I dont follow men or their beliefs. As an preacher you should only preach Gods word,because you will lead his sheeps astray. If you add or abstract to Gods words,you are an false prophet.
Your title: The bible and homosexuality,need to be according the Bible and not your own believes. If you have an problem with my opinion,then you have an problem with Gods words. Because whom am I to judge as an sinner myself? But as an follower it's my duty to preach Gods words.Its only the grace of God that saved me and not my good deeds. I love you and that why I am telling you,you are on the wrong path,preaching the words believes.
Hi, you haven't explained anywhere why being transgender is sinful. You mention sexual immorality, but we are not even talking about sex or sexuality here (those are separate, distinct topics covered in different videos). You also say that the channel needs to be 'according to the Bible', but haven't explained anywhere where I have deviated from the Bible, according to your understanding. You keep on making these accusations against me, but fail to engage with the actual Bible at all. Oh, and you haven't actually addressed the argument I put forward in my earlier reply to you.
Hi, I have a question. Not specifically on this video but on another topic. Polyamory specifically. I can’t really find much on it and I would really like your opinion on it.
The one thing I would disagree is that the Bible does mention Intersex and Transgender . Eunuchs are given a different name than male, they are called Saris. A male is called Zachar. So there's a difference. And that is whether they are born Eunuchs or are made Eunuchs (trans). And according to Isaiah 56 verses 3-5 these eunuchs are said to be given a special memorial and a name that is better than sons and daughters. "Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people." And let not any eunuch complain, "I am only a dry tree." For this is what the LORD says: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant- to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off." Isaiah 56:3-5 Also, according to the Torah and other ancient Jewish texts, there are no fewer than 6 different genders identified. Which is fascinating because modern medical science agrees with their findings.
Thank you for your reply, Joseph. I agree that there is much in the Bible about people who are eunuchs, and that this material can be relevant to people who are transgender. But there is not quite a 1:1 correspondence, and teasing out the similarities and differences is important. In this video, I was primarily showing that those who argue against people who are transgender are doing so without any basis in the Bible. Hope this helps.
@@BibleandHomosexuality right, thank you. I think it does have a pretty good similarity, because if a person is born eunuch then they are intersex, but if they are made one for whatever reason then they are transgender, correct? And the language to describe is different too when describing male: Zachar, and eunuch: Saris. Not to mention the different genders in the Talmud and Mishna
I have always thought that I was forsaken by God and born condemned. Dispite this I always had a deep faith in God and prayed that I could figure a way out of being transgender so I could get into God's grace.
Same here (sort of). I'm gay. And I accept that God does not like it when I lust over other men. I can't control myself many times, but I know God still loves me and He's happy that I keep trying to stay on the right path for Him. And every time I have fallen to sin, I know I can confidently return to Him, apologize and re-affirm my love for Him. Remember Peter, the guy who denied Jesus 3x? When Jesus met him after resurrection, He did not scold him, snub him nor wait for him to apologize. Jesus merely asked him to re-affirm his love. Similarly, do not let your guilt stop you from returning to God. In fact, be happy that you feel guilt because it means your heart is in the right place. You love God, and it saddens your heart when you know you have offended Him. Always return and re-affirm your love. Jesus said He throws a party in heaven whenever you're back. ♥ Don't listen to that guy in the video though. He's among those rebels against the Church.
There is no single definition of intersex, so the prevalence varies depending on how it is defined. On tighter definitions, about 0.05% (about 1 in 2,000 people). On broader definitions, about 1.7% (about 1 in 60 people).
@@BibleandHomosexuality Either more confusing or just to much variety. Now we just have to look for the dominating factor in every case, & on & on till the break of dawn.
It is true that God makes no mistakes , but the sinful fall of Adam and the introduction of sin in the world perverted the genetic code and minds of man. Men long , all to often, to cheat on their wives which fulfills the biological function. We however need to control these urges to the glory of God. Trust him for salvation which is the goal and not what the world says you should do. Rest in him. You are loved , but still must obey. This goes for “ trans” Christians as well.
Hi. Thank you for this information. I have a friend who identifies as being trans and wanted to learn more about it to help me preach to them (him/her). I think I'm beginning to find clarity on this issue. We need to use early Judaism as an example in order to sort through this problem of whether it's the mind that decides the gender or the physical appearance. The Bible says that a man cannot lay with another man. The Bible says a man shall not wear a woman's garments. All of these laws deal with the PHYSICAL appearance of the person. I think it's safe to say that people were trying to be trans 4,000 years ago. And what happened to them? They were stoned for it or burned up in Sodom and Gomorrah. So my conclusion so far is that our gender is determined by what our private area looks like. If a man tries to lay with a "trans woman", God will consider that immoral because the "trans woman" doesn't have a female private part. I do not hate "trans" or people who are attracted to the same gender. The Bible teaches us to love everyone. However, this is my conviction. I'm confident in declaring it as a sin. I encourage everyone to try to change my mind if you think I'm mistaken. I know that it must be really hard to have to live in a body you don't think should be yours, but that's the body/gender God gave you. I apologize for how stressed you feel. But even so, take comfort in that when you get to heaven God will give you a GLORIFIED body. You will be REMADE perfectly into the gender you were supposed to be. Walk by the Spirit, and you will not satisfy the desires of your "flesh". We are only here for a short time. Please be patient and "persevere" in the faith and work out your salvation with "fear and trembling". The risk of chasing your "preference" is too great, my friends. God loves you and knows your struggle. Take care.
I am glad that you want us to love everyone. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But I disagree with how you are interpreting scripture. For a start, you seem to be confusing sexuality and gender (eg, 'the Bible says a man cannot lay with another man'; that Sodom has anything at all do with people who are transgender). Secondly, the Bible does not define what a man or a woman is. You seem to say it is what 'our private area looks like' - so if someone medically transitions, this changes in appearance. In any case, by your logic, you would be happy for someone to transition if they then had a relationship with someone of the same gender (eg cis man and trans man). But in any case, some people who transition do not seek a relationship with anyone. I could say more, but to sum up I do not think you have thought this through carefully enough.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Sorry, my friend, I'm not confused. All the men in Israel had to be circumcised. This means everyone with a male private part is considered to be a man. How they feel on the inside is irrelevant. No offense. Nowhere in the Bible did it say that if a man puts on a women's garments an appeal to gender identity must first be made. No, you will be stoned outright because the body dictates gender, not the heart of man which is "deceitful and wicked". People who medically transition are considered to be Eunuchs. Jesus doesn't say Eunuchs are women. He STILL considered them as men, men who cannot procreate. The private part you had when you were born is your gender forever. If someone changed your private area as a baby and you did not know it, that's a separate and more complicated issue--but I'm sure the confusion can be resolved easily enough. Also, all women have periods. Men do not get periods. If you can give birth to a baby, you are a woman. If you develop the male fluids in your body to impregnate a woman, you are a man. Simple as that. I know you want to give transgender people comfort, but you're doing it in the wrong way. My friend, -insert your first name here-, when you see God on judgment day, you will have to give answer to Him for all the false and true teachings you've preached. I cannot in good conscience support someone's choice of gender identity. I hope that you will continue to think about this deeper and remember that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. My flesh really loves to lust for anime girls. Does that mean I change the clear meaning of God's word so that I can satisfy myself to fictional women? No. I need to submit my flesh to the will of God. It's difficult, but that's how life is right now. I'm sorry. If you have new arguments to present, you can continue debating me. If not, I hope you have a blessed life. One last thing though: Life being difficult and stressful is the very reason why I tell people having children is a selfish deed. This world is evil and God plans to destroy it and make a new one. So why force more people into this world to suffer? Illogical. I never asked to be here. I did not give my consent. Thank you for listening. Take care. And no, I do not support abortion. That is murder.
@Drewskey Do you wish to be some unsignificant troll, or engage with the matter, and the text, and what people's thoughts and perspectives are? In the first case, it's your loss, really. And eventhough I do not believe in a sentient or even counscious creator, I can think of no truly benevolent God who wouldn't want you to remain humble, curious, open-minded, and ready to think and bring things under a new light: in a word, to learn as you can from the world they would have given you. So if there were to really be a loving God out there, I'd say it's their loss too, that you'd rather take Pride in a book than allow yourself to grow as a person and a believer. In the second case, please tell me, in the most loving and respecting way you can find to verbalize your ideas: what exactly, "is just not true", and what does that mean?
@Drewskey Ok. There is a rule in the Bible saying "if a man lies with another man, then punishment." Who says that to whom, in what context, and for what reasons? Are these rules from God, or the tribes of Israel? Are they for all, or for this people? Are we really supposed to hold all rules from leviticus, from "no killing" to "no mixing linen and cotton in your clothes", as sacred, or is it part of the point of the Bible that human societies mix the word of their divinities with such trivial considerations? Is it stated why it is a sin? Why it should be considered a sin? Is it, as it is in the new testament, the voice of an apostle, who is a mere human and known sinner (specifically, the one who denied Christ three times on the day of his death, if I am not mistaken) - in other words, faillible? What do you make of all that? Did you even ever consider these things and, once again, *engaged with the text* you think holds transcendent truths? To be honest, when I hear believers talk like that, I feel like they simply accepted that their church, congregation, family and loved ones' understanding of the text MUST be the correct one, and did not even bother to double-check, and question everything they thought they knew. Now, one very simple thing. This video does not mention homosexuality. In fact, eventhough it is more frequent for transgender people to be homosexuals or bi than it is in the general population, the rate of asexuals is also higher. While this might sound very abstract to you, and you might be quick to conclude that it's just some BS and wave it away, you happen to be talking to such a person: a transgender woman who does not have sex with people, and as such, is not a homosexual. Hate is simple and vain. Love is complex and rewarding.
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
Hi Keli, thanks for stopping by, but it would help if you could be more specific. Which particular parts of the argument do you believe are wrong, and why?
Just one precision : some transgender people don't want necessaraly to align their biological sex on their gender identity, they just want to use the good pronouns and dress as they feel good
Spiritual, Mental, Physical and Social are the four important beings in every individual being. Transgender relates with the mind (mental)how they identify with the sex they should be. Intersex is the physical (body) and how they are made and identify with the sex they should be. Bible is just controversial material published by man... not by "God" it's just a way to keep a man sane and for power, control and greed. Being spiritual is way more natural.. so my fellow thy neighbors live by the laws of nature!
@@davidbiddle8583 I understand not why you continue to post negative and positive varients of the same phrase. People writing here already know what they are, and readers can reach conclusions just fine. Is it a label of some sort?
Like your explanation but I did have a question on the mind. I get this question a lot on Romans 12:2 "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your (mind), that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. They tell me that it's a purifying process by renewing your mind to fit the body. I agree to a point but my question is, are the mind and brain the same? In scripture I believe they are different, the mind is your being, your soul, who you will be in heaven. Heaven also fascinates me, why did Jesus say there will be no sex (gender) in heaven? It's like God is saying i'm putting an end to this gender issue in heaven.
Ross, you appear to be happy to judge transgender people as not being worthy of God's kingdom. I'd just point out the warnings in scripture about judging others and acting as stumbling blocks are severe.
@@BibleandHomosexuality May your words be accountable on that day in front of the angels. This is a warning. '...I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.' - Galatians 5:21
It is easy to trade verses: 'If any of you put a stumbling block before one of these little ones who believe in me, it would be better for you if a great millstone were hung around your neck and you were thrown into the sea.' Mark 9:42. But you haven't actually engaged with the Bible. You haven't explained why the arguments presented are wrong. All you have done is assert your opinions. I don't think this helps either of us, or anyone reading these comments. Why not engage directly with the points made in the video?
Proverbs 3 v 5-6 trusting the Lord with all your heart and lean not on you own understanding commit ALL our ways to God and He shall direct our paths This is extremely difficult after 35 years of Evangelical radical extreme theology. All I can say That God gives us all revelation and to trust him. When my daughter came out asTransgender 2017 MTF 17 years. I was out there to prove the medical profession how wrong there were, but now I completely trust that Transgender is real / Pansexual orientation. I'm my daughter's number 1 ally. Im now wanting to take this message out to all faith denominations, schools and organisations. Im an Advocate for Mermaidgenderuk who supports parents of transgender children who are the leading charity in this field. God defiantly makes no mistake, he made everyone in his image and beautiful. Being transgender are also his creation we all belong to him in many shapes, race, colour orientation and Gender. I nearly lost my daughter 3 x because of Gender Dysphoria and now I see her well and thriving excelling as a musician; she is an awesome drummer, to see her Aspire to full fill all her dreams.
2 நீங்கள் இந்தப் பிரபஞ்சத்திற்கு ஒத்த வேஷந்தரியாமல், தேவனுடைய நன்மையும் பிரியமும் பரிபூரணமுமானசித்தம் இன்னதென்று பகுத்தறியத்தக்கதாக, உங்கள் மனம் புதிதாகிறதினாலே மறுரூபமாகுங்கள். ரோமர் 12:2
The way I see it, do whatever you want. If there is a God and he doesn't like it and he sees it as sin than you will answer to him. Just as i will answer to him for my sins. As long as you don't try and force your opinions on me I won't try and force mine on you.
I think is a much rather list opinion for so many people, but I do strongly resonate with it. As someone who struggles with dysphoria, the desire to transition is there inside, so ai figured if I did end up doing it and iit is the cuts something ai will have to accept and answer for in the future.
The Bible actually does talk about transgenderism. Mattew 8:17 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: “He took up our infirmities and bore our diseases.”[a]
Well now I feel happy and in place I feel like I don't have to be afraid of being myself I'm glad god loves me for this But how do. Tell my parents I'm trans and abrosexual? Like they're catholic but my parents would never understand They would say it's gross or something and I don't know what to do. I feel alone because of it. What do I do?
Hi, I'm glad you found the video helpful. I'm afraid it's difficult for me to give advice about your situation, as this requires knowing your context and the people involved well. Perhaps there are some advice organisations that might enable you to explore your options in discussing this with your parents?
This is super useful, thank you very much! You do an excellent job of explaining transgender and intersex issues and vocabulary, I really appreciate it! Though I suggest in the future you shy away from using the term “transgenderism” - it implies being trans is an ideology, and many trans people do not appreciate the term.
Hi Jane, thank you so much for this helpful comment. When I filmed the video, I used the term as I had come across it in many of the scientific journal articles I read around the subject. However, as you point out, it is often used outside these contexts in a problematic way, and I am trying to avoid using the term from now on. Glad you liked the video.
If I may add no where in the Torah, Holy Bible / New Testament, or the Quran can I find where God said to discriminate against anyone. So where do people get the idea that their faith grants them that right to do so?
@@BibleandHomosexuality Yeah, I apologize, I poorly worded myself. It really just hurts to see someone misleading people against God's will. How we "think of ourselves" can't compare to what God thinks of us. He crafted you in perfection, in the image of himself, God. If he so states "I know every single hair on your head" Don't you think his intention is greater than our own? You show the wonderful news of God's word, he created us, intentionally so we would man and women become one. (Matthew 19:4-5) (Genesis 1:27-28) (Genesis 2 18,24) (Mark 10: 5-9) (Matthew 1:27-28) Live in God's fruit, celebrating his wonderful blessing about your body, his love nad the fact you where chosen. Don't rely on our Impure Flesh's desire. As he remain the same today as he was back at the time of creating us. What makes you think God would change his view when God never made the mistakes we, Humans stood for? What you're doing is what Satan did to Jesus in the desert; He used a piece of the scripture against Jesus, 3 times even, till The Devil realized twisting God's word is just as worthless as himself. (Matthew 4) Remember, God's words aren't a piece or a verse. but the completeness of the bible, you can't take out pieces of the scripture that back up a point without listening to what else he mentions about it. It's not in our power to fill in and shape the words to benefit ourselves. Sure, God never mentions "Transgenders" in the Bible, but he does for the same reason he never brings up how climate change affects the earth, it wasn't a concern for the people who needed repentance. The thing is, though he time after time has proven prophecies that happen today, he never mentioned this specific concern about "Transgenders" because God has already overwhelmingly clarified the right fruit, and what desires are of our sinful flesh. When you mention "it applies to the vast majority" I assume you're referring to pieces like the old testament where every made role isn't of standard today, and that is so the Israelites could prepare themselves for the coming of Christ. but though it's not directly to us today, it's still a reminder that we can't go a single day without Jesus, he should be the center of our life. "Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." (1 Corinthians 6:18-20) "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light." (1 Peter 2:9) How come we're this ungrateful that we want to rubbish, change and inflict what God blessed us with? Yes, God did also bless us with free will, but that also means we're free to follow him, or also follow our own path, but we have to also take responsibility for our own actions along that. His word doesn't change, what has been said will remain, and he is without sin, unlike us. You state yourself as a none LGBTQI+ person, though you lead people to it. I don't know if you have strengthened your relationship with Jesus since the making of this video, but since you still think this is the angle people should view the bible from, you seem to still have a lot to ask God, Trust me, just ask him, and he shall answer you. Yes, God forgives our sins, and yes, he loves us so dearly he even give his only son as an offer for the sins of the world, but that doesn't mean we can continue living in our sinful comfort, it's time for us to truly live in Jesus, it's time for us to become Godly for his will. When the day of judgment comes, do you really tell him the actions you made were of his image and will? do you think God's forgiveness will wipe off all the dust when we keep on falling into the same pit? Dispyte how little we deserve it, Yes, he does forgive us, but there is no reason to ask for forgiveness if the willingness of repentance isn't at heart. and if we aren't at right with God, how can we expect him to be at right with us? "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) I'll be praying for you, steadfast in Jesus only. May God bless and preserve you, Jonathan.
Hi Flamecat, thanks for the apology - it is appreciated. Also, thank you for your prayers. I am puzzled why you think that transgender people should simply accept their physical bodies as they are, whereas in other areas we are happy for people to change their bodies (for example, laser eye surgery; hearing implants; heart valves; artificial hips). Clearly, there are some situations where we do not accept the physical body with which we were born (congenital heart conditions, for example) and intervene. You haven't explained why this cannot apply to people who are transgender. You also do not explain why, if God crafts us in perfection, this should not apply to our innate sense of gender (which is partly biological, remember). You call it the 'flesh's desire', but why label it this way? Surely it is more 'fleshly' to rely solely on the physical flesh? You say, 'flee from sexual immorality', but this is not concerned with sexual immorality. It is concerned with gender. The two are separate issues. What would you say to someone (for example) who was transgender and had chosen to be celibate? In what way do people who are transgender come into the list you quote from 1 Corinthians? They aren't in this list. In short, you assume that there is some sinful sexual desire of the flesh, when the issue is not to do with sexual desire, and there is no good Biblical reason to call the desire sinful or fleshly. I agree with much of what you say regarding God and Jesus. But I strongly disagree that being transgender is sinful, and strongly disagree that you can find that in the Bible, rather than people trying to read it into the Bible. I would also add a Biblical principle: good trees produce good fruit; bad trees bad fruit. Trying to convert people out of being transgender leads to much poorer mental health and a much higher risk of suicide. If it's the right thing to do, how come it is so damaging to some of the most vulnerable people? That is not the gospel I know.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Hello, Jonathan. As I hope you're aware; I wasn't apologizing because what I'm saying isn't corresponding to the scripture, I apologized because, once again, I worded myself poorly. Though it is true that both those circumstances you reflect on are related to surgery. Surgery is on the one hand a wonderful discovery and gift from God, however, just because something is a blessing it doesn't mean it can't and won't get misused. There's also a distinct difference between physically needing surgery, and mentally thinking that you need one. Unlike reflecting on what is written, you test God by filling in the gaps with your own opinion. Despite all the highlights of the scripture you choose to devalue, you still rely on the words that aren't mentioned. it's not in the knowledge of man, but by the blood of the holy spirit, we can become one with Jesus. I'm not saying that transferring your gender will result in hell, but hypothetically might. It is important to realize that he never mentions Transgenders as directly wrong, but never as right, why even stand on thin ice at that point? When the steady ground is on the bible, and the Bible is guaranteed to his will. Sure, you can continue defending the words that never was spoken by God, but never dismay by the words that speak to you through the bible. | "So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." (Matthew 12:36) | "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me" (John 15:4) | "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." (Hebrews 13:8) | I advise you; to spend time with Jesus, and ask him, who offered his life for you, is this really the path to him. "If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you." (John 15:7) "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out."(Romans 7:18) | It's not our doing, of achieving a transaction that will cure the mental health, but relying on him who saved me from such doom, that we can find life and peace. Therefore rely on Jesus, the only one capable of carrying out the right doing. ("For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace." (Romans 8:6)) | "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14) | Don't choose to live in the flesh, your body, nor the worldly things, but it is only the Lord that has power, it is only the Lord that is worth keeping in your heart. After all, we won't be carrying on our bodies into heaven, why do you then think modifying it would glorify God? | "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world-the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life-is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever." (1 John 2:15-17) And you seem to devalue the power Jesus really has. You say "Trying to convert people out of being transgender leads to much poorer mental health and a much higher risk of su!c#de" | I'm gonna be honest with you, I've been struggling with deep depression for more than half my life. I labeled myself as Christian, grew up in a Christian family, read the word, and went to church occasionally in need, though I thought I lived according to God's will, I never truly let Jesus abide in me. I prioritized other things above reading his word at times, I felt so comfortable in my living, I began taking my own paths without realizing where it led me, I started getting worldly desires, got jealous of what others had, and wanted that expensive car when the current one already was a blessing to have. I even went as far that I, believe it or not, began feeling the desire of changing my gender, I truly left the grip on Jesus in my heart, though I read the bible at times and stuck to his word. It wasn't till I began feeling the consequences that I realized where I where in life, I deleted all contacts, I hated myself and I was on the edge of ending my l!fe, where I asked God, why did you choose me? and his response was: I don't want 50% of you, I don't want 90% of you, but I want all of you. | Despite how little I deserved it, despite where I stood in life, my sins were forgiven. I laid every struggle aside, every anxiety, every fear, all depression, and pain, and confessed my faith; I give my life to Jesus only. The moment I confessed that, I felt like Jesus embraced me, the love, the warmth, the true life and peace I felt was just supernatural like I'd been in chains all along, but finally broke through. The tears that fell were the purest of happiness. I was freed from my depression, I was freed from my anxiety, and I was freed from living after my sinful desires and confusion. Never going back. Every heartbeat I glorify God in Jesus's name. Amen.
Thank you for sharing your story - I appreciate it. And I am truly glad that God has given you peace. But I also know the stories of others. And these stories include people who transitioned and found peace with God - the same depth and type of peace, the same radical complete self-giving to God, that you found. And I am truly glad that God gave them peace too.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Well someone must've hacked your channel just to do it? I directed a friend to this video and he searched. Our conversation doesn't show up.
FYI - Anyone can hit 'report' on a comment and YT will review it (so they say, anyway). So YT may have deleted it if it violated TOS or community guidelines.
Doesn't the Bible in 1 Corinthians 6:9 state that men should not be feminine? Thus messing up the idea of transgenderism? And also when it comes to gender expression, etc. that our bodies are not our own, and that we are called to glorify God in our bodies and minds, I.E identity (1 Cor. 6:19-20). To me that implies that gender is not something that should be careless floundered based off of our feelings. Yes, you should accept and love these people who have gender confusion, just like you would with anyone else, but affirming and celebrating it does not seem the right way to go. I'm not saying that I know everything - I'm a 15 year old kid; of course I don't - and I'm not trying to say that he's completely wrong, but, the way I see it, what he's saying and the bible aren't in complete congruence. I am not a hater, I just think that there is more than what he's laying out from the Bible, and that it's not in total alignment.
Hi Benjamin, thanks for the thoughtful comments and questions. Your first point is about men not being 'feminine'. This is one way (but not the only way) of translating malakos. However, what this meant in biblical times is not what we might mean by feminine today (which makes using this word as a translation problematic). The word malakos carries connotations of moral weakness, including sexual promiscuity (of any kind). This is within a broader culture where women were seen as inferior to men. This is vastly different from today trying to attribute various characteristics on the basis of gender. Also, the concern is therefore not with gender confusion, but moral weakness. A further point here is that, in any case, we are not talking about men being feminine, but whether a person is truly a man or woman in the first place. People who transition often express it as becoming finally who they truly are. A transwoman is not a man being feminine, but a woman. You also rightly say that our bodies are not our own, and that we are called to glorify God in our bodies and minds. However, this is not in relation to gender identity, but in relation to sinful sexual practices (in particular, men using prostitutes). We glorify God with our bodies and minds when we love God and love our neighbour. To use this as an argument against transitioning seems to be using the text away from Paul's own concern. I also agree that gender is not something that should be 'careless floundered based off of our feelings'. Those whom I know who have transitioned have been the complete opposite of careless or floundering. It has been a decision taken after years (often decades) of working through and living with the incongruence between their innate identity as one gender (which is permanent, and at least partly biological, rather than being just a 'feeling') and their physical bodies. The people who have thought most deeply and seriously about issues around transitioning are those who transition. I hope this helps, and thank you once again for your questions and the manner in which you asked them.
@@BibleandHomosexuality probably the part where you don’t follow the Bible. And I will say to them, I never knew you. You are a false teacher. Please repent.
Hi Chase and Peter. You don't provide any arguments at all. You just assert that I'm wrong. That's easy to do. But it would be helpful if you bothered to engage with actual arguments.
Hi, I certainly do read more of the Bible, and always seek to know the truth. This is why it is a shame you simply call the video idiotic, without engaging with it at all. If you think it is wrong, do the other readers of the comments a favour and explain why my interpretation is wrong. They will be wanting to know why, and I am always willing to learn.
@@BibleandHomosexuality none of the few scriptures used actually had anything to do specifically with the issue discussed in the video. Basically just out of context interpreted into a straw man argument. The Bible is not to be taken so lightly.
Hi B&B Studios, I agree that the scriptures used do not specifically deal with transition or people who are transgender. That is because there are no scriptures that specifically deal with transition or people who are transgender. I hope that was clear in the video.
No we don't. It is all false information. This video is one big pile of bullsh*t.. Penis = Male ; Vagina = Female. If you were born with a penis, then you are a MAN. And you will ALWAYS be a man REGARDLESS what you feel or do to your body.
Here's what the Bible says about transgender Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear a man's garment nor shall a man where a woman's cloak whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God
‘In the day in which they were created Elohim created them male & female in his own image and he blest them & call’d THEIR name ‘Adam’ (Bereshith ch 5:1-2) No Havvah (‘gabby, talkative’ aka Eve) in the 1st creation myths of the Jews -male & female were created ‘together’ in Elohim’s own image -suggesting that the god of the Jews was in some way hermaphroditic - having traits of both genders (i.e. self-generating)… (‘Behold David, a man after mine own heart’ saith YHWH) / now David was a murderer (Uriah), an adulterer (Bath-Shebiti) & clearly had homosexual relations with Prince Jonathan if you read the unpointed paleoHebrew of 1 Sam 20:30 which deals with ‘the confusion of your perverted mother’s nakedness’ & verses like ‘now the soul of David was KNITTED with the soul of Jonathan’ then the paean by David at Jonathan’s funeral (‘Jonathan my brother-in-law! My love for you was a great mystery to me-far surpassing the love of any female !’ (2 Sam 1:29ff) As for ‘YHWH not making mistakes’ why on earth did he create ‘males’ with perfectly form’d female suckling nipples ? LoL !!!
If you look a channel that is supposed to bring clarity to the Bible, but in fact argues against the scripture - you’re encountering evil and the work such. Be careful.
It's very easy to accuse other people of arguing against scripture. If you think I have done that, please be precise, and show where and how I have gone wrong. This way, if you are right, both I and other people can benefit.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Precision is an interesting challenge. To be precise, your video is lacking exactly what it says to be quoting and discussing - the Word of God. Scripture. That would be the precise problem I have. The title of this video is "What does the Bible say about transgender people." You quoted nothing of the Bible in response. I believe your argument is that there is nothing to quote. The bible says nothing of intersex individuals or transgender. So you have nothing to quote. Here is the crucial point of dangerous apostatic thought and influence. The heading of this video should be simple. "I feel the Bible says nothing about transgender or intersex individuals." Yet, that thought does quite encompass the precise problem with the video. Perhaps the title would then be too long, but it should say "I feel the Bible says nothing about transgender or intersex individuals, and this is why I think theories based in the Bible are wrong." Once again, that would not be quite enough, since you believe the Bible says nothing concerning your topic and do not reference the Word of God in any manner we would again have to add on to the title. "I feel the Bible says nothing about transgender or intersex individuals, and this is why I think theories based in the Bible are wrong without quoting the Bible, and only quoting data trends in the secular world." I hope that brings the precise problem to the light. It would be nice that if you feel Christianity in the majority is wrong in the interpretation of scripture, then use the scripture. You are commanded to via 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." The first sign of an apostate is an individual abandoning scripture and clinging to anything and everything outside of such. Hence, my comment and warning to any who watches your work. On the other hand, I believe that the Bible does have an immense amount of building blocks, scripture, and information to help us navigate such difficulties - even if it is not clear. John 10:35 Matthew 19 Genesis 1:27 Genesis 2:18 Genesis 1:23-24 Matthew 16:24 Romans 12:2 Ephesians 4:17-18 Leviticus 18:22 Romans 1:26-27 Deuteronomy 22:5 1 Corinthians 11:14-15 1 Timothy 6:19 I hope this further reply finds you well.
Hi Ty, and thanks for such a complete response - it is appreciated. You are right in that I do not think any verse in the Bible addresses people who are transgender directly. However, the video is mostly a response to those who claim that it does. The lack of biblical material in my response is mainly because there is so little biblical material in the attacks on transgender individuals. So perhaps a more precise title would be: why 'biblical' arguments against people who are transgender are incredibly poor and not very biblical. At least I highlight this in my introduction. To accuse me of abandoning scripture is therefore wide of the mark - I just think it is being misused badly in this debate. I agree that the Bible has an immense amount that is relevant indirectly. You mention a variety of verses - I'll comment on them. John 10:35 - this refers to scripture not being annulled. I'd agree. My issue is not with scripture. Matthew 19 - this refers back to Genesis, which I do tackle in the video (and actually mention that Matthew refers back to it, as does Mark, which you could also have included). Genesis 1:23-24, 27, 2:18 - I deal with the references to Genesis in the video. Matthew 16:24 - is about us needing to deny ourselves and take up the cross. But why are you applying it to people who are transgender? You wouldn't apply it to people who are short-sighted, and need glasses, that they need to deny their glasses and take up the cross. Or insulin to a diabetic. Self-denial is about sin and selfishness, and you can only apply that to people who are transgender if you have already decided on other grounds that it is wrong. Otherwise, it's just a circular argument with no validity. Romans 12:2 is about not conforming to the world and being transformed. Again, to apply this to people who are transgender is an entirely circular argument. Ephesians 4:17-18 - is about no longer living as gentiles in the darkness of their understanding. Once again, this is only relevant if you have already made your mind up that being transgender is wrong. All three of the above are basically saying: 'I think being transgender is sinful. These verses saying being sinful is bad. Therefore these verses are talking about being transgender'. But the whole point is to discern whether being transgender is sinful or blessed by God. Lev. 18:22 & Roman 1:26-27 - these verses are about sexual practices. They are irrelevant to people who are transgender. Deuteronomy 22:5 is about women not wearing men's apparel and vice versa. I don't mention this in the video, but I do in the associated page on the website, and link to various journal articles. But in any case, being transgender is not about women dressing as men or vice versa. By saying it is, you've just denied that people can be transgender, which is the very point we are to discern. 1 Cor 11:14-15 is about men not having long hair. I mention this passage also on the website. But again, it is not dealing with the issue of being transgender, similar to the Deuteronomy passage. 1 Tim 6:19 is about rich people should be storing up their wealth in heaven rather than earth. I fully agree, but am non-plussed as to how it is directly relevant. To summarise: your biblical material either refers to passages that I do mention in the video (Genesis); or are passages saying in a variety of forms that Christians shouldn't sin (which doesn't address the issue at all); or are about sexual practices (which isn't the issue); or are about gender roles (which is different from being transgender). I hope you can see why my (fairly brief) video stayed with Genesis and didn't consider these other verses. Hope this helps, and thanks once again for engaging.
@@BibleandHomosexuality First, I would like to agree with you. There is a "more precise title" that can be used for your video. It should be used to avoid the mislabeling of your video. Will you be changing it? Your video presents scripture, a mild amendment that I will concede to in my original response. In fact, out of 12 minutes and 48 seconds of video, you display scripture for less than one minute and devote the rest of your time to divert thought away from the Word. That is heretical. Your title states "what does the bible say", when it is more about your view - not justifying God's view. You press the thoughts of sinful man first, then try to align God second. Second, I appreciate you addressing each of the scriptures that I gave you. That took a fair amount of time, but little effort in that most of the scriptures I provided you don't feel are necessary or do not apply. Either way, thank you. That shows patience, understanding, and willingness. However, you have completely confused me. In your response, you stated, " I do not think any verse in the Bible addresses people who are transgender directly." Later, you said, "I agree that the Bible has an immense amount that is relevant indirectly." My confusion does not lie in the exact words that you said versus the video. It is rooted in the idea that you believe the Bible does have something to say indirectly - and you willfully chose to only give scripture less than one minute in your video and not address any of it. The purpose seems to be a mislabeled video with an intention to entice viewers to watch a video about your theories of gender. Not a video of a dissection of scripture and how it is being interpreted. Further, you completely neglected scripture in the brief twelve minutes. In the neglection, by viewing other commenters, you have tainted the understanding of many aspects of the Bible. This is not a dangerous game that is being played for the sake of views on TH-cam. This is, as I said before, is an intentional and willful abandonment of what the Word of God says. Apostacy.
Hi Ty, as I said, the video was addressing the arguments that often claim to be biblical or biblically based against being transgender. The fact that I end up not addressing the Bible directly a lot is embarrassing - but not for me. It shows the paucity of actual Biblical foundations to the attacks. So this is about the Bible and being transgender - because it addresses arguments that claim to be Biblically based against being transgender. I hope this helps. As you say, there is much is the Bible that is of value indirectly, but I try to keep my videos to around 10-15 minutes maximum. Given enough spare time, I will be producing more videos - including ones, hopefully, showing how there is Biblical support for the acceptance of people who identify as LGBTQI+. But I can't address everything at once!
Im a cisgendered male who likes to express him self in very feminine and girly ways. I love pink, i love watching all the girly stuff on netflix and i wear some articles of female clothing. Do you consider this to be sinful? Yes or no and explain why.
I read the website because it's faster than watching the full video, so forgive me if this Bible verse wasn't mentioned: Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God. Now, you can (and I would) lump this in with shellfish and mixed fabrics, so it doesn't apply. But it may need to be discussed in that context. Do you like bacon? Cheeseburgers? Ever work on a Sunday? Wear blended fabrics? OK then wear whatever makes you most comfortable.
Thank you so much for this. I'm currently a 13 year old trans male, and this video was so helpful to me. We need more people like you in this world. God bless you.
I stumbled on your video by accident. I'm so glad I did. I have been looking for months. I have entered the name homosexuality and Christianity and had not found you before. Thank you for this video.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I did. My son came out to us 2018. I spent a year talking with my pastor end brothers and sisters in the church about Gideon's transition. It response was very discouraging. There was well intentioned bigotry, just kidding, my friends would have denied it was bigotry. And it was painful. We had a painful break with the church and the denomination. I have been researching this topic since my son came out. I found a lot of good material out there including your videos. Have you written on this topic beyond your website and TH-cam channel? Thank you again
I haven't written anything yet beyond the website and TH-cam channel, but I am planning on putting this material into a short book, to make it available in another format.
The issue is how do we discern which God has chosen. Which of the various markers of gender (genetic, chromosomal, hormonal, internal features, external features, brain structure, sense of identity, gender assigned at birth) are the right or important ones?
4:00 Erm, Hi brother, can you clarify your position on Gen 1 and 2, it seems clear in the english that God dors address Marriage (He says quite clearly and unambiguously that a male will leave his father and mother and be cleaved to his wife and they will become one flesh Gen) also Gen 1 says be fruitful and multiply. This is a command, not a suggestion, which means that your claim is false for thos point. Youabre correct ot doesnt address transgenderism and I think that is because it was neither relevant not a thing back then. Sin does corrupt the world as shown in later chapters, but we must be on guard against the corruption. At the ens of the day I was born with Dyspraxia, but I dont affirm the weaknesses it brings, but rather fight with Gods strength to resist the sins that come from it (a lazy attitude, processing issues that lead to sins, but are not sin themselves, other issues such as my compulsive nature and so on). It is a daily fight and so is homosexuality, God does indeed love you, so much so thatbhe died for your sin. But he is clear. Sin will go punished and we must treat the words lf Jesus seriously, he says he is God (God is unchanging and this if Jesus is God, he must have known the OT and so ifnit was wrong would surely have said so, yet he did not destroy, but fulfil the law (Died for all sin, that those who submit to him would be cleansed from the punishment and so would not suffer it) That does not give us a free pass ri sin though! Id be interested to know your thoughts @bibleandhomosexuality
Hi, I have a video on Genesis which you might find helpful; it is here: th-cam.com/video/F4ljKuxHAJ4/w-d-xo.html I agree that we have no free pass in regard to sin. I disagree that homosexuality is a sin. Not loving God and not loving our neighbours as ourselves constitute sin. Hope this helps.
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
I dont like what you are saying,because its against God. You cant preach the gospel of the word and the gospel of the bible in the same breath. I you said according you it's okay to be homosexual or Transgender than that's your opinion, but it's not according God.Its blasphemy against the bible.So its blasphemy against God.
Thank you- very clear interpretations, easy to understand. I also believe that it is important for us to get to the real point of what the Bible is trying to tell us. Just as Jesus continually broke the Sabbath to heal the sick and minister to the poor, he was continuously telling us that the rules are not the most important part of following him. Fighting poverty, greed, and the exclusion and separation of people from community and from God were what he came to do. I think it's very interesting that God did not give the people of Israel commandments or rules to follow for generations... He gave them to protect his people until we could have the covering of Jesus, and I believe Jesus when he said... Mark 2: 27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
Thank you for this Jonathan, your reasoning and explanation of history and scripture are very helpful. I'm a Transwoman having recently completed surgery, and a trustee for a charity that supports older LGBT+ people to be socially included. I shall pass your channel details on to our members. From a personal standpoint, I studied the bible with a well-known door-to-door organisation that encouraged me to reason on the scriptures. The key point that I got from this study was Jesus' words "I give you a new command Love God, and Love your neighbour as yourself".
It bothers me to hear people say that Christians should accept transgender people because we are told to love others. What's loving about letting people continue in their sin? I think of the analogy of a blind person running toward the edge of a cliff. Is it loving to cheer them on? No! You'd want to stop them and keep them from running off. That's loving. If you think transgenderism isn't a sin, I suggest reading Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Corinthians 11:14-15.
Hi Victor, thank you for your concern. However, Deut. 22:5 and 1 Cor. 11 do not address people who are transgender. Therefore the Bible does not address the issue of whether or not being transgender is sinful. There is another debate about how relevant it is to people who cross-dress, but that is another issue. What is at debate here is how we decide on someone's gender when there are different factors that are involved that are at variance with each other. These factors include our innate sense of gender identity, which has a large biological (genetic) component. The Bible does not address this issue directly at all (which is not surprising because there are many issues that the Bible does not address directly, such as smoking, IVF, transplants to name just a few). In such cases, where the Bible does not directly address the issue, the (Biblically mandated) practice is to apply the principle of what is most loving. Given that denial of their innate gender (eg through attempts at gender conversion) have demonstrably damaging effects with much higher rates of poor mental health and suicide, the most loving thing is to support people who are transgender. Hope this helps.
An interesting interpretation, but I don't think that Deuteronomy 22:5 is simply about cross dressing. Also, we can't just change reality, which God made, to please ourselves. An addict can't just say that they think their addiction is okay and have it be so. Sin is sin, and it's unfortunate that people feel pulled toward sin for their own pleasure (or, as you might say, self identity), but that doesn't justify the sin. We need to follow God to be Christians. We need to repent of our sins. There are also verses against homosexuality that could be used to speak against transgenderism. To think that you were born the wrong gender is, I think, to say God made a mistake in making you. Psalm 139:13 says "You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother's womb." God did not make a mistake.
I'd also like to add to this. Jeremiah 17:9 says "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?". Proverbs 14:12 says "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death." If somebody is born as a male, he is a male. He can't do something to change that. I can't say I'm a paper and become a paper. You can do what you can, but you can't change the reality of it because you believe it. And from these verses, we see that we can easily be tricked by what our hearts want. I sympathize with people with gender dysphoria in the same way I sympathize with addicts. I feel sorry for them and their pain, but I recognize that what they're doing is sinful and don't justify it because it makes them feel good.
ok first let me explain- there are two genders male and female. that's it nothing more so when somebody says I'm male and I love males they have something wrong with them because God makes no mistake. because think about it this way God made you and you are born but a few years later you feel like your not yourself and are attracted to the same gender you are. why would God make you like that if he loves you? that's where you have to question yourself. you see I do not support the pride belief because I am very respectful to god. it says in the bible that you may not be in the pride family go check yourself if you don't believe me. so I do not mean to disrespectful to the pride belief but I must say that there is no such thing as another gender or something that will make you LGBTQ because again God made us female or male and if you doubt that I think it's best to see a therapist.
Hi, and thanks for the comment. I address the question about whether God 'makes mistakes' in the video. I also address other parts of the Bible in my other videos, explaining why I disagree with how you are interpreting the Bible. Hope this helps.
Why do you assume that because my gender is female, that I am attracted to males? Transsexual does not equal homosexual. In fact, transsexual has nothing at all to do with who you are attracted to or who you want to be sexually intimate with.
@@tabithamartin4092 i am not talking about that, I am talking about my belief. lets just say I am very religious and I love god with all my heart If you want to be like that then go ahead im saying that I think its wrong since a lot of people assume that they are LGBTQ its mostly people just follow from what people do.
@@sofiathe_th I can't speak for people being glbq, only those who are T. Because the T people are not the same. Trans does not equal gay. Trans does not mean homosexual. Being Trans has nothing to do at all with being straight or gay. And NO ONE who is Trans, WANTS to be Trans. You also don't "choose" to be Trans. You just are, you are born that way. The only choice you have is what to do about it. You can't say that there are only 2 genders anymore than you can say that there are only 2 sexes. Yes, sex and gender are NOT synonymous... and, if God created intersexed people, why not the transgendered? Why not the transsexual? Also, from a biological standpoint, a man's brain and a woman's brain differ in size and structure. It has been found out through a series of postmortem examinations that a transsexuals physical brain is sized and structured to that of they gender rather than their sex. This is for both pre hormone treatment transsexuals as well as ones who have undergone hormone treatments. This will inevitably place transsexuality firmly into the category of a less visually obvious form of intersexuality. Why would God do such a thing to a person if He loves him/her? Why are babies born blind, deaf, or with birth defects? God has a reason. Just because WE can't comprehend, does not mean that he does not have a reason or a plan.
Only criticism. I would recommend not using the term transgenderism since it has been weaponized by the right to dehumanize trans people. Instead of referring to trans people as a woman born in a mans body or vice versa Transgenderism abstracts all trans people as a concept or ideology people can choose to adopt. Trans is not a choice, you cannot force cis people to be trans, or cure trans people they are not broken. Trans people are people, human beings not an ideology.
Hi, and thanks for the comment. You raise an important point. I was in two minds when I made the video about including the term 'transgenderism' for these reasons. In the end, I included it for two reasons: first, because it started out as a neutral term; and secondly because I was rebutting videos which did use this term (and people may also have been searching in TH-cam or Google under this term). This is also the reason, though, why the title refers to transgender people rather than transgenderism, because it is people and their lives that we are addressing, and not, as you say, ideas or concepts. I am still not sure whether I made the right decision - and were I to remake it I would seriously consider changing this aspect. Thanks once again.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I dont judge,but speak according Gods word,not my own. Yes God will judges us. You will be standing before God and me also,that why its important to know Gods words and not the believes of man.
I don't know about this. The Deuteronomy specifically says that it is an "abomination". I don't know how to feel about it. I mean, it's on the same page as the part that says you should stone your rebellious son to death so it feels a little hard to take seriously. But at the same time, most of the Law isn't really specified as "sinful" and rather as rules for how society must act. However it goes out of it's way to say that "crossdressing" specifically is abominable, that it's more than just bad societal practice, it is detestable to God. The word abomination is very commonly used with various other highly corrupted behaviours, like intercourse with one's daughter, child sacrifice, etc... And in the New Testament they several times say things like that the "sexually immoral shall not inherit God's kingdom" which can be assumed to be those who have done abominable things..? And I feel like saying "well they were referring to the pagan rituals they used to perform" is a bit of a shaky argument. We don't really know that for sure. I'm not trying to argue against LGBT here, FYI. I'm asking questions because I want to find the truth and I wanna take all arguments in account
Hi, I address Deuteronomy on the website. You can find a link here: www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people/ Here's the excerpt: In the video, I do not consider in detail any one verse from the Bible - that is because I do not consider that any verses in the Bible directly address transgender people. However, there are some verses that are pointed to, so here is a quick response to each. Deuteronomy 22:5 - A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God. It is first worth noting that this verse could only be relevant if you assume that a trans-man is ‘really’ a woman or vice versa. But this is precisely what is at stake: how do we decide whether someone is a man or a woman, when biology and identity don’t match? It is an example of the type of verse used to condemn ‘gender confusion’, which isn’t an appropriate criticism of those who are transgender. (This also applies to such passages as 1 Corinthians 11:2-16.) Secondly, it is actually far from clear what the context of this verse is. For example, many of the cultures surrounding ancient Israel had religious practices that included the pagan priests who cross-dressed. Thus cross-dressing becomes a symbol of idolatry. Whatever the original context, it is highly unlikely that the writer or original audience had people who are transgender in mind. This article deals with the issues more closely: Vedeler, H. T. (2008). Reconstructing Meaning in Deuteronomy 22:5: Gender, Society, and Transvestitism in Israel and the Ancient near East. Journal of Biblical Literature, 127(3), 459-476. doi:10.2307/25610133 Hope this helps.
What a wonderful hermeneutic of truth and love. In particular, to hear you identify some of our poor interpretations of the Bible as "sub-Christian"...and to call us to something greater...wow!
I am intersex. I was born female and incorrectly assigned male at the time of my birth following surgery to fix me. I have been trying to find information for me, which helps me better understand who I am and what the bible says about my existence. Until this video, I believed that I shouldn't exist based on no mention of people like me in the bible. Its still a grey area open to debate.
I've faced a lot of ridicule, hate and discrimination because of who I am and what I look like. I got part of the internal structures of a female, all of her endocrine system and appearance traits. Then to top that off, I got some facial hair not a lot, I grew to 6'2" and have 1 part of male anatomy that doesn't function. I was also born without cells necessary for reproduction, effectively ending my family, I have cried for years over not being able to create my own mini-me, and it feels like my worldy worth is less because of the inability.
Many people say you can adopt, but its not the same thing, losing that part of you that can be there from day one. Its been a huge struggle trying to locate solid information that isn't biased one way or the other. I made a choice to follow the female path of life some 35 years ago and I finalized it a few years ago after a false diagnosis for cancer in what the urologist claimed was a testis, and later thru reports was determined to be an ovotestis. I was given a life sentence of HRT to replace lost estradiol that I no longer made. It was just easier to be a woman than to try and act like a man. I live as me with no further surgeries other than a gonadectomy and the oophorectomy. I have few desires for a partner, and I still wonder if I'm seen as gay whether I select a man or woman for a life partner.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no debate.
You have the Y ? Then you are a guy. In your case, I presume you don't have Y chromosome so you are female.
Just a heads up. To also keep in mind of the fact humans have six common kayrotypes, that includes xy and xx. But there are many more even outsidethe six commonones. So chromosomesare a bit difficult if you'retryingto say to aline with chromosomes. When someonecan be xxx, xxy, etc@trixiec4880
I came to Christ after transition. I am actually just a Eunuch, and I have never been happier to remove that distraction from my life.
God does not make mistakes. He made all of us differently for a reason.
I agree - God created a diverse universe, and us as diverse people.
I need this guy to look at the study that says that people who think that they are opposite of what God has made them have heavy mental issues. There is a chemical imbalance in their minds that operates on a very low frequency. A frequency that the devil dwells in. With that said, God still loves you and is literally begging for your repentance before you get caught up in the wrath that He'll be bringing soon.
I'm glad that you and I both believe in God's love. However, scientifically what you are saying makes no sense at all (chemicals don't operate on frequencies, for a start). If you have a specific study in mind, please provide a link, and we can look at what it actually says.
@@BibleandHomosexuality science doesnt over rule what God has set fourth. Science is simply man's system of inquiry. Which is often wrong and revised. Nothing more nothing less. There isnt a specific article that will explain how everything living and dead, seen and unseen operates on a frequency. Instead, there are tons of books and holistic doctors that are happy to educate along with a quick internet search.
I'll take my peer reviewed science and years spent studying at an academic level over a 'holistic' doctor and a quick internet search.
Sure at least there is one foot in God's Kingdom for those who places the other foot the world. You know holistic doctors spent decades studying what they know. Ask The Holy Spirit for clarity. In fact Nickola Tesla was the first to learn that everything that man sees and doesnt see operates in frequencies. I'll stick to God's Word (The Bible) which is absolute. Not science. Doesnt God say man on man is an abomination. Let's not take heed to only bits of The Bible that we are comfortable with but do a spiritual cleansing by take The Bible as absolute and nothing else. God Speed.
@@God_Driven Amen, brother. Masterfully said.
Thank you so much for sharing this. As a Non-binary, Transgender person with a very strong faith, I have had to work hard to figure out what God thinks about it. You expressed so much of it very well in this video. In the end, God Loves us... and that's all that really matters. In Matthew he said our greatest purpose is to 1) Love God 2) Love each other, and how do we do that? By loving others the way we love ourselves... if we can't love ourselves the way we are, then how can we love others? God loves me as I am, and I can love others because God loves me.
Thanks for your feedback - appreciated. As you say, the heart of the Christian message is quite simple and is focused on being loved and loving.
@키ᄐ Jesus died for you! He loves you SOOO much. He would not send you anywhere but! "I go to prepare a place for you" and "today you will be with me in paradise!"
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@@NobodyxImportant saved you from what?
Yes in the end, Jesus is messiah and we need to realize we are all sinners in need of a savior. As long as you have a heart filled with love and do good unto others, acknowledge and have a daily relationship with Jesus, that's all you need to be saved. I feel like some of these people interpret the Bible poorly or draw lines where none should be drawn and that is a dangerous mindset
@@IHIuddy saved from damnation but redeemed into salvation by faith. This is the dispensation of grace. It's called grace because Jesus is that grace that saves us. Before He died we didn't have grace. We had to earn salvation by works
Thank you for sharing your perspectives on this. Even as a trans person of faith who's already been out and transitioning for a few years, I still have a hard time fulling committing to the idea that I am "right" in God's eyes about being trans and transitioning. I have so much evidence from throughout my life that I am trans, but it's hard to discern whether or not my internal pushback is actually the Holy Spirit or the seemingly ubiquitous narrative that is accepted among most Christians that transgender people are wrong in God's eyes.
Thank you for your feedback. The narrative might be a lot less ubiquitous than you imagine. I know of many ministers who support trans rights and a couple who are themselves transgender.
How can God make you in a wrong body. Jesus died to set the free from problems. Acting like you are something you are not and altering your body doesn't solve anything. It's only temporal and carnal. The holy spirit wants you to have a good relationship with christ and grow in his image not in what you desperately feel you are which you aren't
@@toyosioyejobi309 so god didn't make me trans but he did make me wanna kill myself no matter how much i try to love myself? dumb shit
Leviticus:18
Doesn’t it say don’t love a man as a man and don’t love a woman as a woman but as trans or gay aren’t you doing that
@@lyvieee161 that is Satan telling you it is ok to kill yourself not God
I'm confused by your stance and proposal. I'm trying to understand you, but. Firstly as far as I'm aware the bible is not for man to justify his behaviour to God, it is a history of his people and perfect RULES on which they and ultimately we should live by and what happens should we disobey. The bible is specific about homosexuality and even cross dressing. Yahawah gave us a reason why for male and female to come together (to reproduce) otherwise there is no reason as it leads NOWHERE, you would be deceiving yourself, and who is the greatest deceiver? Now, if you are saying it is because of biological or physiological reasons a man feels inside like a woman and is therefore attracted to another man. to what end is this? if you are fully a man of God and not half in and half out, you would understand the physiological nature how God created us with choice. I've been hearing about this biological argument for years, looking for the "gay gene" it has never been found, and just like the evolution THEORY which again has always been just a theory, has now become mainstream fact. Now, if your choice is to have a same sex relationship, it is your choice, just like if I want to be a liar or disobedient to Gods word, it is my choice. That is down to where I want my soul rest. I'm not surprised at your secular approach, as most church leaders are leaning that way. It would be best not to include the bible into you secular belief system. If I were to go by your stance as a man of God, you have made Yahawah almost null and void, you really do not believe in the power of Yahawah to cure or to make communion with our Lord, what are you for? You are supposed to have a higher level and understanding of Yahawah, a man able to reflect Yahawah will to men, to heal and lead to righteousness. Who is your God? The bible/Yahawah word is not cryptic when it comes to this subject, you are making it so. No man is perfection least of all myself. The difference is I would never use the bible to justify my actions.
Thank you for commenting. But you are using the Bible to justify your actions, not least in making your comments (and think I should be using it too). We both think the Bible is important. But we interpret it differently.
For example, I think the Bible is more than 'perfect rules', and I think that the New Testament shows us that all of them are fulfilled so long as we love God and our neighbour (this, surely, is a key part of Paul's argument in Galatians).
I disagree with your interpretation of what scripture says about creation of male and female. I think you are ignoring the reason given in scripture, which is that it was not good for the human to be alone.
And I disagree with you about what we can know from science (which is a searching for truth, so should be respected by all).
None of this is anything to do with whether or not I believe in the power of God, and I don't understand why you think you have any idea at all of my attitudes on this.
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I do use the bible to justify my actions, aren't we supposed to? If you think the word of God is not perfection, put the holy bible down, don't refer to it. Difference in "interpretation" came about when the catholic church appeased the pagans and corrupted Yahawah word. Saying there is a difference in interpretation is a lie. The truth is the truth. Yahawah had one standard for union, not two, not three...It is between a man and a woman, that is the meaning of not alone, Adam had the animals, he was not alone. Leviticus 18:20 and what Paul says? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. There is no ambiguity. I can quote many passages from the bible where Yahawah had only one standard for man to live by, which you should know.
Science is a new religion it is based on hypothesises and theories and has always been used by the practices of the occult and deniers of our Lord. You cannot worship two gods. P.S. your attitude is written all over your video.
I'm glad you confirm you do use the Bible to justify your actions - in your first comment you explicitly said you didn't do that.
You appear to be saying that there is only one interpretation of the Bible which is true (which happens to be yours). Respectfully, I disagree (and can point to a large number of issues where Christians disagree about how to interpret the Bible).
I deal with the passages you quote in my other videos; I invite you to watch those if you wish to know how I would respond to you on these particular matters.
I utterly disagree with you about science and think it shameful when people denigrate the minds that God gave us by suggesting we should not search for truth about God's creation. I do not consider such an attitude an authentic part of the mainstream Christian tradition. In particular, you are insulting and slurring many people in linking science with the occult.
In the video, I certainly reveal my attitude to what I consider incorrect and pastorally dangerous interpretations of the Bible. Perhaps you have confused this with my attitude towards the Bible.
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Sorry let me make myself clear. Justify what Yahawah deems right, not justify what I deem to be right, and that is the crux of the matter. OK, lets talk about interpretation. NO WHERE in the bible or Gods word does he reference speaking to same sex couples, it is always to heterosexual. Genesis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife and they shall become one flesh". That is Gods standard. Going by "interpretation" does God mean partner? only if you have an agenda! Are you still saying coupled with how Yahawah communicated with man the word of Yahawah is still open for interpretation on this matter? Romans 1:26-28 "For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their woman exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with woman and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to debased mind to do what ought not to be done". You see there is nothing new under the sun. Now some people would try to justify being a christian and participating in that act to say, the interpretation is not against consensual same sex relationship, but no where is this in the bible either explicitly or implicitly sanction by Yahawah.
As for science th-cam.com/video/ymXw40TvHZo/w-d-xo.html
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You'll be glad to know that I have videos that address the passages you refer to.
This video was made 2 years ago, and I am lucky to be coming across it now. Thank you for making this video. I attend a private Christian academy as a trans and gay person, and I've been reading the code of conduct all night, with numerous verses from the Bible explaining how I deserve to die. Honestly, people of the church can be very invalidating, and this is coming from a Christian. I really appreciate how you put time and effort into debunking things that are not relevant to today's society. Watching this made me feel at peace, and it made me feel like I can truly still be loved by God.
Jesus loves you! Never let yourself doubt that ❤
Hi Vivianne, glad that you've found it helpful. It's why I made the videos.
You are SOOO loved by God. Blessings.
Hm I thought it would tell you there's no god my bad
This is either very wrong, or we're watching a man try to make sense of something very complicated. I understand the latter and hope that's the case.
Wow! compelling argument Hitch! you might be onto something!
@@hasekfan2450 Cute
Whatever do pants and dresses have to do with gender identity? They're cultural markers and are fluid. Being a man isn't about wearing macho attire. Being a woman isn't about dressing up like a drag queen. In fact, "human" qualities (kindness, compassion, strength, wisdom, love) override so-called "gender" differences.
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Thank you so much for this video. Really. As a transgender woman who loves Jesus, but always has struggled with shame and feeling faulty due to my societal controversial journey I'm living. It can be quite hard and though on the inside at times. Thank you for calming my heart. I wish I saw this 4 years ago.
Really glad to hear that you've found it helpful. Thanks for the feedback.
Thank you for this very clear presentation. This issue does not affect me personally, but I have been troubled by negative perceptions of TI people in Christianity, without really understanding it. This has helped my cognitive understanding to catch up with my discerning.
Glad it's been helpful - thanks for the feedback
How about Romans 1 ; 18 : 29 pls define this reading for me
Hi Shirley, it's not really to do with transgender people, but I do have a video on the channel on Romans 1. Hope you find it helpful.
Thank you for making this video, I’m a transgender Christian in a transphobic and homophobic household. Hopefully they’ll listen to what you have to say and allow me to live life as who I’m supposed to be :3
Hi, thanks for the comment - I hope this video helps.
If you still have a penis youre a cross dresser
@@StormyOne1 Trans women are women regardless of their genitalia. Trans men are men regardless of their genitalia.
@@StormyOne1 the point you were making?
@@Uncle_Ignis you will always be the sex God made you so if you ask people to call you what your not they won't
I'm intersex a friend told me God doesn't make mistakes . That doesn't make sense. Bruce is my husband and I am his wife. Ashleigh 💖
@@jonedward3208 Listen you religious nut God made me intersex. I was born female inside and some strange male bits outside. I am a Australian when I was 11 my mother took for an operation in London to make me all female because my body was going into female puberty. I am happily married to Bruce I can get pregnant. So to say God made a mistake who knows. We live a different life to normal people. I was bullied by the boys and taunted by the girls as a child. You have no IDEA!
Ashleigh 😢
NICE!!!❤😊 This video was especially insightful for me being a Trinitarian believing Transwoman myself. I loved the part where you refuted the argument that our identity must be in line with our body using scripture. 😁😁❤❤
I am also reminded of how CS Lewis talked about the Shadowlands in the Chronicles of Narnia series. Isn't our physycal bodies representations or shadows of our spiritual existence and not vice-versa? Now you mentioned how scripture teaches about the treasure in our bodies of clay, I am thinking along those lines as well. Definitely need to buy your book sometime! 😊😊❤❤❤
You’re so valid! (Coming from a genderfluid transmasc myself!) God bless you! ❤
I’m a Christian who has been really trying to grapple with what my perspective ought to be on transgender issues. At one point in time, it wasn’t something I really had to think about much mostly because the transgender conversation was still mostly considered fringe and so I just accepted whatever the most prevalent Christian perspectives on the issue were. Since then, transgender rights have come to the forefront of discourse and I have many transgender people in my life including my best friend who I love very much. It has forced me to really begin to meditate deeply on the issue and the arguments against it from a biblical perspective. I haven’t fully landed anywhere yet, but I repeatedly am struck by what seems like an inherent weakness in the arguments from the anti-transgender Christian perspective. I keep thinking about the references to Eunuchs throughout the Bible, and I can’t help but feeling/wondering that it seems that Eunuchs could have been considered (even by the Biblical authors) to be something like a third gender. They certainly and specifically had unique gender roles which were prevalently understood by the society’s they existed in. I know it’s not a perfect comparison, but in thinking about these things and trying to discern what the Bible (or at least the cultural context in which some of the Bible was written in) might have to say about gender roles outside of man/woman, the Eunuch’s seem to be the closest comparison I can think of.
ANDREW, DON'T BE DECEIVED, GOD CREATED TWO GENDER PERIOD! OTHER GENDERS ARE MAN-MADE AND A CHOICE OF PERSON. THE BIBLE IS CLEAR IN LEVITICUS, ROMANS, 1 CORINTHIANS 11, JUDGE, AND DEUTERONOMY THAT GOD DOES ALLOW BODY MUTILATION, AND WHOEVER PRACTISES THIS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
@@Dboi1157 hi! I am curious what is your understanding of people born intersex with ambiguous genitalia? Doctors will usually perform genital surgery on these individuals to artificially assign them a gender as babies after their birth.
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
@@D4MI0N Which varies from culture to culture and from time to time.
Ive always believed lgbtq are not faking or Choosing this..they ARE born this way..thank you for helping educate the cis community..
Jesus says a man can’t enter the Kingdom of God unless he’s born again
Thank you for sharing this video. I found this when I needed it most. For so long I have fought a battel in my head. Where every cell in my body screams I am a girl while my body shows different and the bible seems to imply that I'm an abomination. So then the biblical war in my head starts. The pain this has caused over the years. There has been vary little true happiness in my life. I have gotten real good at putting on the fake face everyone expects of me. If this was only a choice I made, I'd chose to be normal. No one in there right or left mind would chose to live like this.
Hi - I am glad you found this helpful. I hope you do find true happiness.
Addicts also feel unhappy. That doesn't mean the Bible tells us to condone and affirm addicts in their addiction. It may be hard, but you need to try to get past it. Things like this can be difficult, but that's what happens in life, and the cost of being a Christian is high. You need to be willing to accept that cost. Don't be discouraged, you can always be forgiven if you repent.
Luke 9:23 says "And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me."
If you think transgenderism isn't a sin, you should read into Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Corinthians 11:14-15.
@@victorkifyak6858 Victor, Sometimes its in the details of what you do not know. Since has proven 2 things that explain it better. 1). The human body starts to form long before the brain starts to be built in the mothers womb. Putting that in layman's terms. Some times the brain develops differently then the body. This could bring abought the body of man and yet having the brain that is wired as a female. Since has recently discovered that people who are transgender have brains that are structured just like that of the gender they identified with, while there body's are different from the gender they identify with. Yes a mans brain is built or structured differently from that of a woman's brain. Knowing this you should come to realize that being transgender is a birth defect. I ask you, would God condemn someone for a birth defect? I to like to quote scripture, take a good long look at what the Bible calls an "Eunuch". See Isaiah 56 3-7 . Pay closes attention to 4 - 6. --> Isaiah 56:4-7 4 For this is what the LORD says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant- 5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will endure forever. Note how God sets the Eunuch as separate from "sons and daughters". God said: " to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters ". He said better then son's and daughters. So he is affirming that an Eunuch is not a man nor a women. God is also affirming the struggles we transgender Christians face. Dear Christian brother, it is not a choice, but how a person is born. More proof can be found at: Matthew 19:12 (ESV) "For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.” Look at what Jesus said in the last sentence: " Let the one who is able to receive this receive it ". Hear Jesus is indicating that it is not an easy thing to receive. Jesus also confirms that some are Born as an eunuch. Please brother in Christ, look up these scriptures I have quoted, so you may read them your self and that you may believe the good word. Remember first and foremost Jesus is in the forgiving business. Secondly I ask you to give serious thought and put your self in this scenario, What would you feel like if you where born with a the body of a girl but with the exact mind / soul you ( as Victor) have or are now? Would not every cell in your body scream out that something is wrong? Would you ever be comfortable in your own (girls) skin? Be honest with your self. Or if you woke up and found that you (Victor) now was in a women's body, but you still had the brain and or soul of Victor? How would you feel? Just thinking a bought it should make your skin crawl. Yet we transgender folks go through this every day every minuet and every second of our lives. If it where just a choice, I would chose to be normal rather then go through the living hell I have had to endure all my life. If you could truly comprehend it, You would understand that no one would ever chose this for them selves. No more would someone chose being transgender then chose to have a cleft pallet or any other number of birth defects. Victor, May the good Lord walk with you and bless you always. Amen.
Being transgender is a choice. You can't get around it. Granted, often it is difficult for people to get past things they're drawn to, but it doesn't make it good.
As for the verses you mentioned about eunuchs, eunuchs are not some "third gender". God is saying that He will give them a title greater than son or daughter. He's not saying He will take away the title they have and make them a completely different gender. It's not about gender in this verse. He's saying that the eunuch will have a title to be happier about than just being called a son or daughter. God cares for how you serve Him. That's my interpretation.
You mentioned Matthew 19:12 very out of context. If you actually read the rest of passage before that verse, you see this is relating to divorce. Jesus says here that people who can receive the idea of being unmarried should receive it. This isn't about some third gender. Jesus actually says in that very same passage earlier, very clearly, that "the Creator 'made them male and female'" and He makes it very clear that there is a distinction between them and mentions those distinctions and different roles.
Eunuchs aren't some third gender. They are very clearly men who have been castrated. God made humans male and female, and there weren't some other genders made that we don't know about.
I understand that many people suffer from things like gender dysphoria, but you need to turn from it. To try to validate transgenderism is to try to invalidate the reality that God has made clear. God made humans male and female. Tell me, why do you think a man become a woman? If a man can become a woman, what is a woman? Can an adult who identifies as a baby be a baby? Can a car actually be a shoe? See, transgenderism attempts to confuse the reality the God has created.
If you think anyone can be a woman, how do you define a woman? If you say that anyone can be something as long as they identify as that thing, then how do you define that thing? If you think self perception rules over reality, then what is reality? If someone identified as a house, who would you be to deny them with the transgender view?
God has made a clear reality. We are in no place to deny this reality. I know it's hard for some people, especially today, to accept that and to turn away from these ideas, but there are difficult things in life. Some people are addicts, and I sympathize, but I know what they're doing is wrong.
We are all sinners. Don't make it worse by going against God's design.
He made you man. Live with it.
Thank you for making this video as it needs to be addressed. People like you are helping make a difference in the world. As for the negative hate responses I have read, they are the reason I am having such a hard time with the Bible. I try to see the love that the Bible preaches and then I hear people condemning so much and talk so bad to others, especially those suffering from things they can't help. This is why we are so divided and I hope someday the peace and love the Bible promises will come to light.
Thanks for the kind feedback; it's appreciated.
Hi James. People will be people. They are not God, though they feel compelled to speak on their behalf. God can speak for themselves. We are not called to look at people. We are called to look on Jesus. That's why he came - to show us the way. No matter what others say, make Jesus your focus.
A difference is right also known ass not Gods plan the devils plan
Why did God give us stupid ass people free will look at what we did wit Gods plan
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
Perhaps if you first accept the truth that a sin is a sin (no matter how you feel about it), and that men are not women, then you will find the love you are looking for. We are all sinners. No one deserves God's love, but He gave it anyway. Jesus paid the price of our sins so we can focus on love instead. And how we love God? By following his commandments. Sure, we will still sin along the way. But always we can re-affirm our love for Jesus (as He did for Peter) and try again.
In puberty my chest kept switching between male/female. My calmness comes from taking my estrogen for transition. My mind is not racing at full speed without stopping.
"Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like." James 1:23-24 Be careful that you don't live the life god has blessed you with as the false prophet god has warned us of Dr. Jonathan Tallon. His hand is against those who see false visions and speak their minds over his will. "The fear of the lord is the beginning of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction." Proverbs 1:7... You should remember that.
Hi Gigi, thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, I don't find it particularly helpful, because it is a general point that we can all agree on. We are trying to discern what God is saying through the Word. If you have specific points where you believe my argument is incorrect, please share them.
Thank you for engaging directly, Gigi - it is appreciated.
Let's accept your argument that intersex and trans-genderism are the results of the fall (though I am less clear what you mean by sin in our physical bodies leading to imperfections, unless you are referring to original sin). This would also be true of all imperfections - for example, poor eye-sight, or illnesses. The question then comes, what do we do next?
With other 'imperfections' (to stay with your terms and your argument) we try to treat them. If I have poor eyesight, I can wear glasses or have laser surgery. If I have an illness, I take a medicine. And we work out from scientific evidence what gives the best results.
So we have a group of people who experience a mismatch between their physical bodies and expression of gender and their innate sense of gender identity. Using your own arguments, we would want to treat them to help them. There are two options. Either to change the innate sense of gender so that it matches the physical body and expected gender expression, or to change the physical body and/or expression to match their innate sense of identity.
In principle, I don't see why one should be preferred over the other. Saying that 'God is the one who "assigns" gender' doesn't help us, because you have already argued that the world is not how God originally intended. And if God assigns gender, then God assigns both innate sense of identity and physical body. Why privilege the body over the spirit?
And in practice, efforts to change sense of gender identity fail. In contrast, efforts to bring gender identity and physical body/expression into line by changing the latter are far more successful. Of those who do transition, the regret rate is less than 2% (I believe in fact close to 1%) - this is far lower than for most forms of surgery.
So in principle there is no reason not to change the body rather than the gender identity, and in practice it is far more successful.
The situation for those who are intersex is different again - if they are happy with their chosen/given gender identity, or to identify as neither/both, I don't see the issue, if you think that this is a result of living in a fallen world.
Your thought experiment with Adam is interesting, but we could broaden it to other choices. What if Adam had said 'well God, I can't do that because I wish to be celibate'? We cannot use Adam's choice to say that all other choices or experiences are wrong.
You say that feelings change all the time. But we are not talking about a passing emotion here, but a deep sense of identity (that is partly genetic in origin). I may get angry or sad or happy, but I have never doubted my identity as male since as far back as I can remember. I suspect your experience is also true - that you have never doubted your identity. A small percentage of people also have a similarly constant sense of their identity - only it fails to match their physical bodies.
I hope this gives you a greater understanding of where I am coming from. Once again, thank you for taking the time to set down your detailed response to the video.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Well, the problem is you believe there are only two options. I believe there is only one option. It's not by your own might, it's not by your own power, it's by his spirit. The bible tells us "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."- Romans 12:2 Only God can heal people of this mental illness.
You say "in practice, efforts to change sense of gender identity fail." Well, this is because It will not and cannot change via human efforts. You have to believe in the power of the holy spirit to deliver these individuals. In addition, studies show that those with gender dysphoria are still 20 times more likely to commit suicide than the general population, which suggests that there is an underlying issue with their mental health.
You say "And if God assigns gender, then God assigns both innate sense of identity and physical body. Why privilege the body over the spirit?" God assigns sex it is their "choice" whether or not they want to follow the sex god has given them.
You also said " We cannot use Adam's choice to say that all other choices or experiences are wrong"....Yes we can because God gave him a direct instruction, and when God tells you to do something I'd suggest you follow what he says.
"A small percentage of people also have a similarly constant sense of their identity - only it fails to match their physical bodies." Well again, it doesn't matter how you feel, "God created male and female" only a fool listens to his own mind and feelings over God's word just as you have done in the creation of this video. It's difficult to watch a so-called "reverend" try to tell God's children that God's words are "really poor arguments."
Thanks for taking time to reply, but your points are not based on his word. you haven't even quoted one scripture to justify your claims.
Hi Gigi, thanks for engaging further.
You believe that there is only one option. I still believe there are further options, which don't contradict God's word. You say only God can heal people. This is true, but easily used as a cop-out. We don't say this about other conditions. We don't say to someone who has broken a leg 'only God can heal you'. We don't say it about schizophrenia, or depression. We don't say it about heart disease. I am short-sighted, so I wear glasses. Saying 'only God can heal' when we have interventions that can help is, I believe, reading scripture profoundly wrongly. It is similar to James 2:14-17 - thoughts and prayers are good, but empty if not backed by practical help that can be offered.
You are right about the high suicide rate amongst those with gender dysphoria. This makes it all the more critical to ensure that we deal with this in the most loving way. Denying treatment that has the best outcomes is not loving.
You say God assigns 'sex', but surely God also assigns our sense of identity? Otherwise we are cutting God out from a part of our lives, and diminishing God. If our sense of identity is not important, only our physical bodies, then our identity in Christ is just a 'feeling'. I do not believe that such an approach is Biblical. In the New Testament, our identity in Christ is the thing of supreme value, irrespective of our physical bodies. This is the argument that Paul is making in both Romans and Galatians, where others were trying to argue that the status of the physical body (circumcised or not) was key.
You are right that God gave Adam a direct instruction. It was to 'go forth and multiply'. By your logic, everyone who doesn't marry AND have children is sinning. This is not the Christian understanding over the last two thousand years. The direct instruction was given to Adam, not to us. People who are celibate or childless are not, through virtue of that, sinners.
Again, I would point out that some identities are deep rooted, and to downplay them as 'feelings' is to ignore part of God's creation.
For the record, I have never told people that God's words 'are really poor arguments'. I have said this about how some people have interpreted scripture. And I am happy to stand by that.
Thank you once again for your engagement.
I think God didn't make a mistake he just wanted more people in the world by letting the first people have kids
Dont think,read your bible,so you wont be blind to the truth. Because all will stand before Gods judgement and not before any men
Hello everyone! I’m a transgender man (female to male) and I have a question to ask. I read the comments and most of you are okay with transitioning and transgender people whether it’s trans-nonbinary or trans-binary. But if someone who is transphobic comes up to you and starts being nasty and potentially calling you slurs, how should you react? Asking for a friend!
Hi, it is never easy when other people are offensive. The response depends on so many factors. Jesus said to 'turn the other cheek', but he also entered the temple area and turned over the money-changers' tables. Sometimes offensive stuff needs challenging. I wish you wisdom in discerning the most loving, just response in each case.
@@BibleandHomosexuality In turning the other cheek and turning the tables the contexts are different..
@@BibleandHomosexuality By His cleansing the temple we learn how the religion of the Lord should be respected and not dishonored by the desires of men.be seperated...... by turning the other cheek meaning do not retaliate when someone wrongs you
Hi Segtha. Yes, the contexts are different - which is why context is so important in deciding how we should respond. Please also note that challenging is not the same as retaliating. It is often right to challenge inappropriate comments as soon as they are made. But that is not retaliation, but pointing out injustice or wrong-doing. Jesus reacted in different ways at different times, and I am suggesting we need to do the same, using God's wisdom in our discernment.
I am against all things lgbtq, so, unless I have to engage with one at work, I just avoid them. I would NEVER initiate an argument or be nasty. That would be very rude.
I must admit that I want to believe this video is the right approach. I do. I used to be a part of this community in middle school because I wanted to make myself special. I wanted to claim labels in order to crown myself with importance. God has thankfully guided me away from this. Sometimes I still do wish I could return. But that would mean putting my own desires for a truth that would fit how I feel above the perfect will of God for my life. At the end of the day, anything that you feel inside is determined by the Bible to be corrupt, because our hearts are corrupt and full of sin. If the heart is deceitful, then it must be checked against what the Bible says, not the other way around. And who is the clay to tell the potter how he is to be made? I appreciate your calm and rational reasoning in the comments, as I do honor and respect your opinion. There is nowhere in the Bible that allows for the brutal harassment of transgender and LGBTQ+ people that is seen in daily life. God gave us all the free will to do as we wish. It is uncomfortable for me to say this. I sympathize with those who have encountered dysphoria. I understand hating your body and not feeling happy. But only God’s love can fill that void. Changing yourself will only lead to more pain. I leave this comment, believer to believer, simply because I cannot sit idly and watch the Bible be used in such a way to justify personal wishes and desires, and not in a way that reveals the will of God.
Love and prayers
Thank you for your engagement. I appreciate your search for the truth and heart for the Bible. But you don't actually say why you think the Bible says that being transgender is wrong, or where the reasoning in the video was faulty.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I suppose you have a point there. I don't have a specific answer to what I think you're looking for right now, but I will look into it and see if I can find a conclusion. If I don't respond here again... i probably just forgot (I'm very busy with school and college applications right now).
A good video to find! I hope it gets some more attention, cos it's a patient, well-reasoned look at the topic. Thanks for putting this together.
Thanks for the feedback - appreciated!
@@davidbiddle8583 Well it's good to have something to work on.
@@jonedward3208 Hello. Is this for one of us in particular? Did you capitalise 'men' in the last one to make it seem only one gender was saved -- I tended to assume it was used there to mean 'people' - a great encouragement to us all.
No, it's not. No, I hope this video does not show up in anyone's feed or search results because this video is full of bs.
Try searching for "Debunking Myths about the Biology of Sex" coz that is the truth.
As for the Bible, just search on what the Pope had to say. Don't rely on that heretic in the video.
Thank you, this is the best video I've seen. People point to certain scriptures but they don't realize that the Bible never actually said being Trans is a sin. It might be what I considered an affliction more than sin because the corruption have sin has corrupted our DNA. These people can't help how they feel
Hi Jacob, thanks for the compliment. I'm not sure that I'd use the language of affliction, but I appreciate your concern and caring approach.
@@BibleandHomosexuality just trying to do God's work the best I'm capable of doing. Love and forgiveness and teaching Jesus mercy and understanding. Jesus wants no one going to Hell.
we are trans not defective.
This video has been helpful to my limited knowledge of transgender people.
So this is basically saying that it’s okay to reject God’s choice and decide on our own free will to sin and reject ourselves as who God made us to be?
It’s said that everything is pre planned by God, where you will be born, what gender you will be born as, who’ll be your parents, what will be your height etc
I’m curious, someone explain.
Hi Savage Bunny, I think you need to watch the video a few more times, as you appear to have completely misunderstood what I said. In regard to your second point, I was born with a predisposition to short sight. Should I avoid wearing glasses? Some people are born with congenital heart problems; is surgery to correct this disobeying God?
@@BibleandHomosexuality surgery used to treat diseases such as the one you mentioned is completely different than surgery used to enhance beauty, confidence or to change your gender that’s rejecting God’s choice for you.
That’s also feeding our own fleshly worldly desires or obsessions cause it’s not spiritual correct me if I’m wrong.
Hi, you say it is completely different, but don't explain why. Either 'everything is pre-planned by God' and, to use your argument, you shouldn't change anything (including what you call diseases), or the issue is much more complex. And if you are happy addressing diseases/disorders, then gender dysphoria would come under this category.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Gender dysphoria is a man-made sociological/psychological issue that has spawned from the trans movement and is completely unrelated to incorrect vision or a congenital heart defect. How do we know it's a social issue? Because there is documented evidence of the increase of this dysphoria in some schools, where over the span of a few years the qty of kids identifying as trans has skyrocketed. Also, for vision deficiencies, the optometrist can diagnose that from the patient reading an eye chart. And for a heart defect - not a word from the patient is required. To diagnose these gender issues must be discussed, and at great length.
You and I both wear glasses - assuming you don't have any significant eye maladies, you or I can get a 15-min diagnosis from an optometrist and have new corrective lenses within a few weeks, perhaps same-day. So it's not the same ballpark because it's not even the same sport.
Please stop twisting the Bible to justify these man-made perversions into something that God would approve of.
Hello, I'm transgender who's about to start transitioning (Male to female ) and I'm new to Christianity (technically trying to return to it) and I've been told that being trans is a bad thing and that gave me the impression that god didnt want me a well as it made me start asking questions that I never had found an answer to which led me to this video. I want to thank you for sharing this, since it had made my day. Also keep up the good work and have a nice day.
P.s you got another subscriber 😀
Hi Haylee, really glad you've found it helpful! Thanks for the feedback.
God loves you, but sin is still sin. We all walk in sin under God, but He still loves us. He wants us to turn from our sin. Trangenderism is a sin. Read Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Corinthians 11:14-15. It may be hard to turn from your desires, but addicts also have a hard time turning from their desires. That doesn't make their addiction. Don't be discouraged, God still loves you and wants you to turn from your sin. You need to trust in Him and repent, though.
All sins are forgiven by God if you truly seek Him and repent. In order for people to repent, however, they have to realize they are sinning. Who's going to repent of something they don't know is a sin? It's part of turning people to Jesus. I'm not going to tell people that they're fine how they are just to avoid hurting their feelings or avoiding making them scared. Proverbs 9:10 says “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” We need to fear the Lord and realize our need to turn from our sins. God hates all sin. Trusting in Jesus, having faith in Him, and repenting leads to forgiveness.
As for what you said about putting myself in the other's shoes, I know I can't feel what gender dysphoric people feel, but I know that they need to turn from sin nonetheless. I don't know what it's like being a slaveholder, but I know that slavery is sinful. I don't know what it's like to be a murderer, but I know murder is sinful. I don't know what it's like being a homosexual, but I know that the Bible explicitly states multiple times that homosexuality is wrong. I know it can be hard for people to turn from sin, but it's what we're called to do. It's not an easy thing, but we can't just live in sin because it's hard to turn from it. There are alcoholics, and it may be very difficult for them to stop drinking so much. It's important that we acknowledge the sin and try to turn from it, looking to God and for help from others.
Of course God is loving. God loves us unconditionally. But God also hates sin, and there needs to be justice. God wants us to turn from our sin because He loves us. To turn from our sin, we need to know of our sin and the punishment for it.
Also, I hear people who want to argue for transgenderism referencing eunuchs a lot. Eunuchs were just men who have been castrated. As for intersex people, that's just an exception that I also hear people referring to a lot about this topic. Intersex people are very different from transgender people. In this fallen world we live in, there are people born with defects, like with intersex people. This is a legitimate case where it can be difficult to identify the gender. Transgender people, however, are people who are clearly one gender and choose to be a different gender. Genesis 1:27 says "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." God made humans male and female. There's clearly a distinction between them, otherwise this difference wouldn't be mentioned. What was that distinction? What is a man, and what is a woman? Many people today would seem to argue that the distinction was based on perception, but that doesn't make sense. What perception did these two people have? God made the distinction before they had self perception or any kind of consciousness. Also, if it was based on self perception, then that suggests that it matters what the person identifies as. So transgender supporters might say a man can be a woman if he identifies as a woman. But wait, what is he identifying as? Well, a woman. But if a man can be a woman, then what really is a woman? With the transgender logic, someone could say a couch is a woman, or that a fridge could be a woman. After all, the idea suggests that self perception defines what a woman is. How can anybody really define what a woman is with that logic? It goes against the truth that God put in place.
Ok, but what is a man? What are you identifying as? Gos created humans male and female. There are no other genders mentioned ever in the Bible. That would've been something important to include. We can conclude from that that there are only two genders, and then some exceptions in the fallen world we live in today with intersex people. But no other genders were mentioned. And back to what I was asking: what are you identifying as? What does it mean to be a man? There might be women who generally have more masculine tendencies, and men who might have generally more feminine tendencies. They're still the gender they were born as. You're gender is based on the DNA, chromosomes, and body parts in your body that you were born with. If you want to suggest it isn't, then please let me know what you think it's based on. Is it self perception? In that case, again, we can say a man is anything. One person might determine that it's a shoe. One person might say it's a food company. There's a reality that God put in place that we can't defy. If someone identified as a person who doesn't have any arms when in fact he does have arms, would you affirm him and say he doesn't have arms? I would hope not, because you know the truth. There's a reality. He does have arms, despite what he says. He might actually want to cut his arms off in order to follow with that perception, like people trying to transition today, but I would hope you wouldn't try to justify that. An adult can say they're a baby, but they're still an adult.
Also, being gay and transgender is in fact a choice. Some sins might be harder to get past than others, but we still need to turn from them. We can't just go against the reality God created. Look into the Bible, there are some clear verses that say homosexuality is a sin. I understand some people have things like gender dysphoria or feelings of homosexuality. There are also people who have more violent tendencies. I wouldn't justify them being violent based on the idea that that's just how they are. I'd want to encourage them to improve and to turn away from those tendencies. There are people who have depression. I wouldn't want to leave them be based on an idea that that's how they are. I'd want to help them through it. Likewise with homosexuals and transgender people. Just because you have tendencies toward sin and feel comfortable with it, you're not justified in engaging in it. You have to repent and rely on God, genuinely trying to turn from your sins despite how drawn to them you may feel.
I'm quite small in age and the explanation was kind of hard for me to comprehend. I would like to ask if it is actually okay to be transgender? I love christ as I was raised with christ. But i fear my parents will be disgusted by me
Hi Honey_dew_moon14, thanks for the question. I do think it's OK to be transgender.
You say that you are 'quite small in age' - deciding whether or not you are transgender is an important decision, and not one to face alone. If you really think that your parents won't understand or help, and that it wouldn't be safe to tell them, then try to contact a supportive organisation that can help you begin to explore your gender identity.
@@BibleandHomosexuality thank you i am actually reaching out for help in my journey thank you :)
@@sorazer1822 seek truth with your whole heart and you will find it. I'm not trans or anything but right now I'm questioning weather it really is right or not. Pray for wisdom. Also pray that God would give me wisdom as well.
Dont ask him ask God. If you want to know God,read your bible.God are the bible. Test all believes of men,against the bible. The believes of men are meaningless,because we all will stand before God an not before men.
It’s hard to get my family, who (for clarity) condemn the idea that trans people exist, to watch this. They don’t want to believe that I am a trans woman because of their faith and the fact that I didn’t show signs of presenting as female as a child which in my opinion isn’t really fair. They won’t let me see a therapist, they won’t let me hang out with my friends who are a mix of gay men, trans women and cis women and they won’t even acknowledge that I spoke to them about me being trans and are trying to gaslight themselves into thinking I never said I was trans. It’s so frustrating.
God made two genders one for the other. God didn’t even want man to wear things that pertained to the opposite sex.
Hi, this issue isn't directly addressing your point, as your point doesn't address the issue of people being transgender. You appear to be talking about cross-dressing, which is a different issue completely. The issue here is determining which gender a person is.
God determines your sex,gender.Not an person.
Hello sir, I live in a very progressive yet very christian family and currently I am a roman catholic struggling with religion. I extremely appreciate your content and hope I don't overwhelm you with questions.
1- What about crossdressing? I'd like to understand your opinion on this. I can't wrap my head around how God would think of people that dress purposefully as the opposite gender, although identifying as their assigned gender, as an abomination.
2- What about hell? I've seen people making the analogy "you can choose to go 60mph on a 50mph, however, know that you will get ticket - same with hell" but the difference is a ticket is a minor annoyance while hell is eternal suffering. I think it is right to people to face the consequences of their actions, but what if a person repents whilst in hell?
3- What if a person is good but atheist? Why would they go to hell since they've not caused any harm to anyone, they were simply non-believers, shouldn't they go to heaven, realize their ignorance and accept Him as their saviour?
4- What about the verses talking about how tattoos, mixing animal breeds an wearing clothes from different materials are wrong?
Thank you, reverend, I wish you a wonderful and blessed life.
Hi, thanks for the kind comments about my content. Briefly:
1. I don't think cross-dressing is wrong.
2. There are many different possible understandings of hell within Christian tradition. For example, St. Isaac the Syrian argued that hell was the pain of realising how much you were loved by God, and was not eternal. St Gregory of Nyssa speculated that even the devil would one day be brought to repentance and holiness.
3. I trust God to be gracious.
4. See my video on Leviticus th-cam.com/video/6nSPznp2ToU/w-d-xo.html - no, I don't think having tattoos etc is wrong. Christians are not called to obey the individual commands of the Torah (the first five books of the Bible), but are called to love God and love their neighbour. If you do that, you fulfil the law.
Hope this helps.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Thank you SO, SO much for this.
I've started to realized that we are often dismissed as "false christians" for our different interpretations of the Bible, why do you think that is?
I have only a few final questions, I am deeply sorry if i'm being perhaps a little annoying, please let me know if so.
1- Could you elaborate on question 3?
2- What about abortion? Why is it wrong to not bring a baby into the world if they would be faced with having, say, a poor, underage and/or unloving family because they were "not intended"?
3- What about sex before marriage and divorce? I've always interpreted marriage as a simbolic representation of love and trust, which are both things a couple can have before marriage. A marriage without love and trust simply isn't a marriage anymore, so why would we keep two people who don't love each other from splitting their ways?
4- How, exactly, do we love God? I don't really understand how that would work and how we'd be able to truly love Him.
Once again, thank you!
Hi funny moments, you are asking some big questions, and I'm afraid I don't think I'll have room in comments to answer them properly. Perhaps the most important question is no. 4 - how do we love God? First, we need to recognise that even more important is that God loves us, so anything we do is a response to that love, not a prerequisite for that love. Secondly, we show that love by loving those around us ('whoever loves a brother or sister lives in the light' 1 John 1:10). This is difficult (which is why we need God's grace) but is at the heart of our faith. Hope this helps.
Thank you so much. I appreciate your help.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Will people stand before your judgement or before Gods? What you think are not according Gods bible.
Yesterday, I got my pre-surgery consultation, now I found this awesome video. As a Trans Christian, I always knew God made me with a purpose.
Sorry sir, someone has not given you enough information... the scriptures has more than enough about both topics... hope this helps... enjoy your scripture study... and thank you for posting and doing you best with what you had.... Genesis 1:26-27, 5:1-2, Numbers 11:12, Job 21:24, Isaiah 49:23, 60:16, 66:11, Daniel 2:32, Matthew 19:11-12, Luke 18:13, John 13:25, 21:20, Revelation 1:13, 15:6 and are best read in the original text... ABBA help us all and be blessed... Lord love you for helping...
Hi, I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Some of your verses refer to Genesis 1, where God makes male and female. The others seem mostly to pick out verses where the word chest/breast is used. I am unsure how you think this is relevant to the topic of people who are transgender.
@@BibleandHomosexuality That verse is misread by most because it is taken out of context and at times also not taking into account the original text and or reading of the scripture here... God is both male and female not male or female... There the man, 'the hā·’ā·ḏām', of verse 26-27 and of chapter 5:1-2 also know as Adam and Eve... are not he is male, she is female, both as the text says 'male and female created HE them'... They were as, God is, intersexed... both male and female... not one or the other... meaning all possibilities for gender and sex variation and verity are retained in such... The other verses, passages and chapters of the bible when read in their original text and context, rather than translator bias... which is most unfortunate.. hinders the seeing of that and have had to false doctrine about many things... not sex and gender only...
If Satan can make you question who you are, you’ll never know whose you are
Satan was created by Christianity to control y'all.
Amen.
Thank you for putting together this video, I really hope this would talk some sense into some hardcore religious people who are against transgender people like myself. I also hope that this video will help my dad accept me as his daughter rather than his son...
Thank you for your kind words. I am sorry that you have difficulties with your father - and I hope this video may help a little.
Thanks for commenting, Marian. I'm sorry that you've had your identity attacked in this way. I hope that the video is helpful should you ever be on the receiving end again.
Maybe you can accept that your dad raised you as a boy. And he identifies you as a son. And he identifies himself as a man and a dad. Or does the respect only have to go one way.
Hi Christopher, CaptSmokey6 never suggested that his father should stop identifying himself as a father and a man, and I'm sure would agree that his father raised him as a boy. Nor did he suggest that he disrespects his father.
Thank you so much, Praise the Lord you just have make my day!
You're welcome!
@@jonedward3208 Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
The man in this video tries to blur the line between transgender and intersex to cause confusion.
"Is gender confusion wrong?"
Maybe a better question should be where does gender confusion come from?
It does not come from God because God is not the author of confusion.
Hi, thanks for your comment - sorry if you found it confusing. As I say in the video, any 'confusion' already exists with the mismatch between someone's assigned sex and their own gender identity. Transitioning is a way of bringing these into line with each - reducing confusion.
I am not sure it is relevant to this argument to ask where the 'confusion' comes from (though I agree with you that God is not the author of confusion).
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
We need to seek our Creator to understand our identity in Christ, not in our sex or gender.
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
Hi oil flask, thanks for commenting. In the video I explain that, if the issue is gender confusion, then it makes as much sense to get the body to fit with the gender identity as it does to try to make the gender identity fit the body (in fact, the latter empirically appears to be much harder and much more likely to lead to lasting psychological damage). Gender transition is a way of reducing 'confusion'.
I’m transgender but my make friends thinks I’m weird and so do my parents and idk what to do I just wanna be a girl and my parents are forcing me to be a boy
Hi Miles, I can't offer specific advice, but I hope you find help including professional advice to help you through this.
7:02 You state a study about twins, that there's a 20-30% chance the 2nd identical twin will also transition (a statistic) while admitting the cause is unknown. Frat-twins are at 2-3% for 2nd transitioning, which does suggest that due to 50% shared DNA, the decrease to 2-3% is from a biological factor because shared DNA decreased. BUT - if it's a biological factor - the identical transition rate would seem like it should be MUCH higher than 20-30%. I would conclude from this study that gender identity is NOT biological in nature. You say the physical brain structure is less conclusive for gender identity - but the brain structure is the sole 'mental' component (in the womb) that could drive gender identity, as the fetus has no consciousness of 'self'.
In addition, you do not mention the ages at which the twins transition, but it's safe to assume none of them are below the age of 5. In the 1st 5 years of life the body, brain and personality are developing in response to a tremendous amount of environmental influence - so to attribute the gender identity issues of the twins in this study to pre-birth conditions seems quite ludicrous. If they transition above age 5, with every passing year they are exposed to a significant amount of societal inputs into their identity.
This seems to be a case of finding the best data to support a conclusion, and pointing it toward that conclusion, rather than seeing what the data actually points toward.
Hi Furyfantoo, thanks for engaging. Let me explain better.
As you say, for heterozygous (fraternal) twins only 2-3% have both transitioning. They share 50% of their genes. For identical twins, where one transitions, there's a 20-30% chance of the other also transitioning. They share 100% of their genes.
You say that if it's a biological factor, then the transition rate should be much higher. But, as we know, in practice whether people transition depends also on their environment. For example, I would expect fewer people to transition in Florida after recent legal changes. This doesn't mean that they don't have gender dysphoria; just that a hostile social environment is going to make it harder/more dangerous to transition. Now imagine separated twins. One grows up in California; one in Florida. We would expect the one in California to be more likely to transition because of the different social environment.
Even in 'friendly' environments, there are many factors that make it difficult to transition, including cost, healthcare and hostility from sections of society. So it is relatively easy to imagine why one twin may delay or choose not to transition where their sibling does decide to. Also, the studies take a snapshot in time; we do not know if in future years the sibling who hasn't transitioned will then transition.
Given this, a figure of 20-30% of both identical twins transitioning is what we might reasonably expect if there were a large genetic component to gender dysphoria.
Your second point argues that much development happens in the first five years of life before transition, so why attribute gender identity issues to pre-birth causes.
The reason is the comparison with heterozygous twins. They provide a control group. In each case, the children will be brought up with similar environment, including social context, parenting style, etc. Yet despite this, the siblings who share genes are far, far more likely to both transition than those where the genes aren't shared. The main difference is genetic, so it makes sense to attribute the change in likelihood of both transitioning to genetic causes. If the heterozygous twins also had a figure near 20-30%, you might have a point. But they don't, the figure is an order of magnitude lower.
This type of comparison between identical and fraternal twins is commonly used in psychology to investigate all sorts of phenomena as a way of seeing whether a genetic component is significant.
In other words, this is pretty conclusive evidence that gender dysphoria has a large genetic component.
You also mention physical brain structure, and expect this to be a better indicator. However there is already a great overlap between the range of brain structures typical for females and males. In addition, physical brain structure does not tell you much about what is actually going on in the brain (in the same way that looking at the outside of a computer chip can't tell you much about what has been programmed on it).
Hope this helps explain why gender dysphoria has a large biological (and specifically genetic) component to it.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Firstly, this is not intended as a criticism of you, and I also can only comment on the study(s) as presented in the video. This format does not readily allow for point-by-point debate, but I see flaws in logic.
Your initial commentary on these studies (in the video) is using correlational data to presume causation (a fundamental fallacy) compounded by ignoring environmental factors (a confounding variable). Yes, it is common to use twins in studies in the belief that the environment is comparable and reduces that variable (that's the best we can hope for in sociological studies, anyway).
But in your current rebuttal, you are suggesting if the twins are in split environments, that environmental factors would have suppressed the transgendering of one of them, and therefore the correlation should actually be higher. The data is the data - you cannot make assumptions that modify the data, and then presume those assumptions only increase support in the data! One could argue that it's the opposite: suppose they are in the same geological environment yet one twin hangs around with GID people and the other plays football and basketball instead (take a guess which one transitions?).
And so for any study worth its salt, using twins to have a control group would *require* them to be in the same environment to minimize confounding variables; either they haven't accounted for that, and consequently reduced validity, or they have, and the 20-30% transition rate is then not significant.
To reiterate - there is absolutely no valid basis to make the assumption that changing the confounding variable in a 'favorable' way would increase the correlation and therefore bolster a causation conclusion that can't be made in the first place.
I mentioned brain structure only because you did. Pre-birth brain structure is perhaps the ONLY factor not affected by environment, and yet the studies state that brain structure shows NO significant correlation.
The 20-30% correlation of transition for identical twins - let's put this in layman's language. If 1 transitions, the vast majority of the time the 2nd one doesn't. If we insist to make the fallacy of causation out of correlation, the % needs to be much greater than 50-50. These studies show it would be a safer bet for red/black in roulette.
For your conclusion that identicals are significant vs fraternals - yes, it's a significant increase, 20-30% vs 2-3%. But - there's another variable deeper there: identical twins are always the same gender, and can readily be believed to be very 'tight' and spending most of their time together. Frat-twins can be different gender, and could be less likely to spend time together as they are more like 'plain' siblings than identicals are. If the studies are stipulating to use only same-sex fraternals in order to reduce that variable, then they are making the fallacy of composition across the whole population of fraternals.
And now this:
Data from the UK's Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) in 2016 blows biological factors out of the water. The stats for kids referred to Health Services for transitioning: 969 under-18s had been referred in the UK in 2015-16, including nearly 200 aged 12 or under. This compares to just 94 in 2009-2010.
Hi, thanks for the continued engagement - it's appreciated. However, I have to disagree with your analysis. This is why.
First, the point about differing environments was to show that we shouldn't expect a figure close to 100% similarity between twins for transitioning, even if gender dysphoria was completely accounted for solely by genetics. This is because not everyone who experiences dysphoria will transition, and the likelihood of them transitioning is subject to multiple environmental factors. Your example makes this point very well: if one twin had friends supportive of transitioning, and one twin had a circle of friends who were hostile, we would not be surprised if the twins reacted differently from each other, even if both had gender dysphoria.
Second, at the end you make a point about an increase in referrals in the UK from 2010 to 2016, and suggest that means that it cannot be biological. This is a fallacy. Greater awareness of the possibility and greater acceptance in society would mean more people who have gender dysphoria taking steps to transition earlier in life.
A historical comparison is the percent of people who identify as left-handed. This is also biological in cause, yet saw a large increase from 2% of the population in 1860 to currently about 12% of the population. This change is because in 1860 being left-handed was seen as wrong, and children punished if they displayed signs of being left-handed. Remove this stigma, and you get more people prepared to identify as left-handed.
Third, your main point is that 20-30% is less than fifty-fifty, using the example of red-black in roulette.
But this is the wrong comparison. In the general population, transitioning is rare (0.5% according to the latest UK census). Or, about 1 in 200 people.
If transitioning were random, then if one twin transitioned, we would expect the other twin to transition only 1 in 200 cases. We find it higher in fraternal twins: about 1 in 40 pairs of twins. (Similar to the odds of getting zero in roulette).
But with identical twins, about 1 in 4 pairs have both transitioning. Imagine playing roulette, betting on zero, and it coming up every fourth roll of the wheel. You'd think the table was rigged, that this was exceptional. Similarly, the figure of 20-30% is exceptional: it is not chance, and it is significantly different by an order of magnitude even from fraternal twins.
That is why I said (and feel free to check with any social scientist or psychologist about this type of data) that these figures indicate a strong genetic component.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Responses are inserted/indented below quoted paragraphs from your most recent reply. At some point such a broad discussion won't be sustainable, we are already way into TLDR zone for anyone but you and me.
"First, the point about differing environments was to show that we shouldn't expect a figure close to 100% similarity between twins for transitioning, even if gender dysphoria was completely accounted for solely by genetics. This is because not everyone who experiences dysphoria will transition, and the likelihood of them transitioning is subject to multiple environmental factors. Your example makes this point very well: if one twin had friends supportive of transitioning, and one twin had a circle of friends who were hostile, we would not be surprised if the twins reacted differently from each other, even if both had gender dysphoria. "
I wouldn't have the expectation that it would be near 100%, but logic suggests if there's a biological factor, their identical genes should put transitioning at least 50%, right? From the data presented in the video, I could make this statement that would be totally accurate - 'When 1 of an identical twin set transitions, usually/most times/generally the other one doesn't.' (any of those words is accurate) Whilst there is potential that both twins feel GID (correlating to a genetic marker), the data you referenced focused on manifesting into transition, so I will as well.
"Second, at the end you make a point about an increase in referrals in the UK from 2010 to 2016, and suggest that means that it cannot be biological. This is a fallacy. Greater awareness of the possibility and greater acceptance in society would mean more people who have gender dysphoria taking steps to transition earlier in life."
A historical comparison is the percent of people who identify as left-handed. This is also biological in cause, yet saw a large increase from 2% of the population in 1860 to currently about 12% of the population. This change is because in 1860 being left-handed was seen as wrong, and children punished if they displayed signs of being left-handed. Remove this stigma, and you get more people prepared to identify as left-handed."
The left-handedness is a good rebuttal, and I will admit it has logical validity to explain the rise. I am far from an expert, but from my readings stigma-removal seems to be applied as the SOLE explanation for the increase in LH population. But as it cannot PROVE the increase in LH, it certainly cannot prove the increase in GID! If it cannot prove for GID, it certainly cannot disprove/exclude the social contagion aspect of other theories of GID. Yet from commentary I've read, people are trying to make that very exclusion. Regardless, if the stigma-removal explanation is true, we should reasonably expect to see large bursts (similar to teh UK data) in many places worldwide, in regions/communities that are supportive. But have we? Also, to my understanding, the 'correction' of LH was only applied to handwriting, not to other activity (feel free to correct me with data if I'm wrong), so the criteria applied to whether someone is categorized as LH or RH puts a variable into what that 'LH increase' data explicitly represents.
Furthermore, the twin birth rate rose 76 percent from 1980 through 2009, from 18.9 to 33.3 per 1,000 births (a basic Google statistic). It is interesting to see another example of a biological increase, yet I doubt there is an attempt to attribute that to removal of a stigma. (yes, I understand LH has an sociological factor, but it is a biologic characteristic all the same)
"Third, your main point is that 20-30% is less than fifty-fifty, using the example of red-black in roulette.
But this is the wrong comparison. In the general population, transitioning is rare (0.5% according to the latest UK census). Or, about 1 in 200 people.
If transitioning were random, then if one twin transitioned, we would expect the other twin to transition only 1 in 200 cases. We find it higher in fraternal twins: about 1 in 40 pairs of twins. (Similar to the odds of getting zero in roulette).
But with identical twins, about 1 in 4 pairs have both transitioning. Imagine playing roulette, betting on zero, and it coming up every fourth roll of the wheel. You'd think the table was rigged, that this was exceptional. Similarly, the figure of 20-30% is exceptional: it is not chance, and it is significantly different by an order of magnitude even from fraternal twins. "
I haven't explained my roulette comparison clearly or it's been misinterpreted. My meaning was that if a person knows an identical twin is transitioning, and must guess on the other twin, even with the proposed biological factors involved that 'enhance' the liklihood, the odds of guessing correctly are still worse than red/black at roulette (which is the best odds in that game, a game of sheer chance).
Another problem: population size.
Transitioning is rare at .5%, quick Googling shows 3% of population is a twin (generic 2009 data) - that's quite a narrowing. The union of those sets is super-tiny! Smaller population sizes always have risk of skewed data leading to incorrect conclusions (and again, there's the correlation-causation fallacy).
Some questions I have on the twins in this (or other studies), because there is a large risk of the fallacy of composition:
How are the twins 'gathered'? (pool generation)
How are they selected to participate? (acceptance/rejection by either the participats or the study)
Are different-gender twins included, or only same-gender? (if same gender, that's a sample-selection bias error, and if different gender, those bring in a confounding variable vs the identical twins)
What is communicated to the potential participants as to the purpose of the study? (knowledge of the purpose can bias the population)
What is the data collection process to the selected participants? (participant bias to report/not-report true facts)
For either type of twins, but especialy the identicals - is one dominant over the other?
For the 20-30% results - are those across the entire population, or just those in the study? (relates back to super-tiny union of sets)
I am not expecting you to have the answers nor research them, but just to contemplate that there is much potential for composition error, bias in the participant sample, and the data they then collect. As transitioning is HIPA data, IMO it would be difficult to accurately ascertain such data without contact directly from the individuals, and collecting data from people is always more susceptible to bias.
"That is why I said (and feel free to check with any social scientist or psychologist about this type of data) that these figures indicate a strong genetic component."
In the majority of cases where 1 twin transitions, the other does not. I do not disagree that there seems to be an increase in correlation in the data, or that it's not a significant one. My contention is that drawing causation from such studies is invalid, but even if one uses those conclusions, with all the proposed 'clues' to guide the guess, the odds are you will not guess correctly.
I appreciate your assertions on the matter. You brought up some great points. However, I am still not convinced. The Bible EXPLICITLY warns against acts of homosexuality, none of which you mentioned in your video. Take Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Or Deuteronomy 22:5: "“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God." These are just two examples. What say you on this?
Hi Vince, thanks for commenting. I do not know why you are mentioning homosexuality - this is a separate issue from being transgender (and one I deal with at length in my other videos, including addressing Leviticus).
You mention Deuteronomy - I deal with this in the associated website page.
@@BibleandHomosexuality You seem to go to extreme ends by refuting numerous parts of the Bible to fit your views. Are you certain you are interpreting this correctly, even though most of the Christian world would strongly disagree?
Hi Vince, I do not know what you mean by 'extreme ends' or that I am 'refuting' parts of the Bible. The methods of interpretation I am using are standard (including within evangelicalism).
@@BibleandHomosexuality The Bible prohibits changing your gender in any way, shape or form. It says that in black and white. How do you define "standard" interpretation?
Hi Vince, the Bible does not mention at all, to my knowledge, changing your gender.
Romans 1: 16 and down. AND
Deuteronomy 22:5
The Word of God is Blessed!
Please do not just post verses without your interpretation. I have a video on Romans that covers the verses in question thoroughly (and they are not to do with people who are transgender in any case). On the linked website, I go in more detail about Deuteronomy 22:5. I hope you find these resources helpful.
@@BibleandHomosexuality 2 Pet 1:20 “No prophecy of Scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.”
This is too funny. You have not listed one single Scripture that condones any of this. Just scientific theory. Nice to have a face to put on one of Satan's sheep. And for those with so called strong faith I'm a boy trapt in a girl's body or vice versa you just claimed God made a mistake.
Hi Gordon, thanks for engaging, though I'd rather you didn't insult fellow Christians by calling them 'Satan's sheep'. You're right that this video, in comparison to my others, has less scriptural content. But that is because it is examining the claims often made that being transgender is against the Bible. And those claims have minimal use of the Bible. You're right that there is no single scripture that explicitly condones being transgender, just as there is no single scripture that explicitly condemns being transgender. Put simply, the Bible doesn't address this directly. On 'God doesn't make mistakes' - I address this directly in the video. Perhaps watch it again?
The bible does address it. Flat out says man shall not wear woman's clothes and woman shall not wear man's clothes. Not to mention go forth and multiple. A guy who thinks he's a woman can't multiply. He's doesn't have the organs that are god given to do so. I don't know which new version of the bible everyone is reading but the long James version which is still said to be the closest translation of the the real Bible has alot to say on the matter. As for calling "fellow" christians Satan's sheep well I'm sorry but I call a duck a duck if they truly believe in there hearts that the bible condones what they do. That is Satan's work. They are jumping fully into Satan's deciete.
Hi Gordon, I address this verse in the linked website page; you can find it here: www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people/
The verse you mention is, if relevant at all, only relevant to tranvestism, not people who are transgender (and there are further issues regarding this as well). You are begging the question if you start off by defining being transgender as 'a guy who thinks he's a woman' rather than 'a woman seeking to align her expression and biology with her gender'. You say 'he' doesn't have the organs that are God given to do so. But she does have the identity that is God given to do so (and definitions based on organs always come unstuck; does a hysterectomy mean someone stops being a woman?).
Also, now I am confused. Am I a sheep or a duck?
@@BibleandHomosexuality Of course the Bible doesn't explicitly mention transgendering - it's a concept borne out of a society that is turning its back on God with every generation. Puberty blockers, cutting genitalia off (circumcision is minor in comparison), fake boobs - none of that was even a concept back then. The Bible doesn't mention p*o*r*n, but any faithful person knows it's not approved based on other Biblical teachings. All of your argument seems to be that a person's identity, which is mis-matched to the body, should rule the day - but that identity is very much formed by a variety of social mechanisms, external to biology.
A topic that always intrigued me was the demonization of LGBTQs. I often heared that demons are the reason for being queer and that bad parent figures or sexual trauma are "door-opener" for those "confusions". In my opinion it is very hard to counter argument against this, because those are claims without any biblical explanations nor facts. In science there is no correlation between beeing queer and sexual trauma. How would you argument in this topic? Do you have any thoughts?
It's difficult to argue when there's just claims without evidence. Sometimes I ask them to back up their claims with evidence.
God didn't not make an mistake with your gender:For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
I'm afraid this argument (God did not make a mistake) doesn't hold up. It's more of a slogan than an argument. Our sense of gender (identity) is also formed in the womb. To use body and soul language, why are you privileging the body over the soul? Did God make a mistake with people's gender identity, but only got the physical body right? And what about the physical bodies where there are mistakes or limitations. Are we meant just to put up with them? Should I stop wearing glasses because these are the eyes God has given me, and 'God does not make a mistake'? Sorry if this comes across as blunt, but this argument is often trotted out and it makes little sense when examined more than cursorily.
@@BibleandHomosexuality wearing glasses are not an sin,but being sexual immortal against Gods words are.
If it was my words: I really dont care what people do,but as an Christian I follow Jesus, and Jesus truth. I dont follow men or their beliefs. As an preacher you should only preach Gods word,because you will lead his sheeps astray. If you add or abstract to Gods words,you are an false prophet.
Your title: The bible and homosexuality,need to be according the Bible and not your own believes. If you have an problem with my opinion,then you have an problem with Gods words. Because whom am I to judge as an sinner myself? But as an follower it's my duty to preach Gods words.Its only the grace of God that saved me and not my good deeds. I love you and that why I am telling you,you are on the wrong path,preaching the words believes.
Hi, you haven't explained anywhere why being transgender is sinful. You mention sexual immorality, but we are not even talking about sex or sexuality here (those are separate, distinct topics covered in different videos). You also say that the channel needs to be 'according to the Bible', but haven't explained anywhere where I have deviated from the Bible, according to your understanding. You keep on making these accusations against me, but fail to engage with the actual Bible at all. Oh, and you haven't actually addressed the argument I put forward in my earlier reply to you.
Hi, I have a question. Not specifically on this video but on another topic. Polyamory specifically. I can’t really find much on it and I would really like your opinion on it.
My apologies, but I haven't looked closely at this issue.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Perfectly fine! Thank you for responding!
The one thing I would disagree is that the Bible does mention Intersex and Transgender
. Eunuchs are given a different name than male, they are called Saris. A male is called Zachar. So there's a difference. And that is whether they are born Eunuchs or are made Eunuchs (trans). And according to Isaiah 56 verses 3-5 these eunuchs are said to be given a special memorial and a name that is better than sons and daughters.
"Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people." And let not any eunuch complain, "I am only a dry tree."
For this is what the LORD says: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant-
to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off."
Isaiah 56:3-5
Also, according to the Torah and other ancient Jewish texts, there are no fewer than 6 different genders identified. Which is fascinating because modern medical science agrees with their findings.
Thank you for your reply, Joseph. I agree that there is much in the Bible about people who are eunuchs, and that this material can be relevant to people who are transgender. But there is not quite a 1:1 correspondence, and teasing out the similarities and differences is important. In this video, I was primarily showing that those who argue against people who are transgender are doing so without any basis in the Bible. Hope this helps.
@@BibleandHomosexuality right, thank you. I think it does have a pretty good similarity, because if a person is born eunuch then they are intersex, but if they are made one for whatever reason then they are transgender, correct? And the language to describe is different too when describing male: Zachar, and eunuch: Saris. Not to mention the different genders in the Talmud and Mishna
I have always thought that I was forsaken by God and born condemned. Dispite this I always had a deep faith in God and prayed that I could figure a way out of being transgender so I could get into God's grace.
I hope this helps. There are many people who are transgender and Christian (and some transgender priests/ministers).
Same here (sort of). I'm gay. And I accept that God does not like it when I lust over other men. I can't control myself many times, but I know God still loves me and He's happy that I keep trying to stay on the right path for Him. And every time I have fallen to sin, I know I can confidently return to Him, apologize and re-affirm my love for Him. Remember Peter, the guy who denied Jesus 3x? When Jesus met him after resurrection, He did not scold him, snub him nor wait for him to apologize. Jesus merely asked him to re-affirm his love. Similarly, do not let your guilt stop you from returning to God. In fact, be happy that you feel guilt because it means your heart is in the right place. You love God, and it saddens your heart when you know you have offended Him. Always return and re-affirm your love. Jesus said He throws a party in heaven whenever you're back. ♥
Don't listen to that guy in the video though. He's among those rebels against the Church.
6:03 , on a scale of one to ten, how common is this?
There is no single definition of intersex, so the prevalence varies depending on how it is defined. On tighter definitions, about 0.05% (about 1 in 2,000 people). On broader definitions, about 1.7% (about 1 in 60 people).
@@BibleandHomosexuality Either more confusing or just to much variety. Now we just have to look for the dominating factor in every case, & on & on till the break of dawn.
It is true that God makes no mistakes , but the sinful fall of Adam and the introduction of sin in the world perverted the genetic code and minds of man. Men long , all to often, to cheat on their wives which fulfills the biological function. We however need to control these urges to the glory of God. Trust him for salvation which is the goal and not what the world says you should do. Rest in him. You are loved , but still must obey. This goes for “ trans” Christians as well.
Hi. Thank you for this information. I have a friend who identifies as being trans and wanted to learn more about it to help me preach to them (him/her).
I think I'm beginning to find clarity on this issue.
We need to use early Judaism as an example in order to sort through this problem of whether it's the mind that decides the gender or the physical appearance.
The Bible says that a man cannot lay with another man.
The Bible says a man shall not wear a woman's garments.
All of these laws deal with the PHYSICAL appearance of the person.
I think it's safe to say that people were trying to be trans 4,000 years ago. And what happened to them? They were stoned for it or burned up in Sodom and Gomorrah.
So my conclusion so far is that our gender is determined by what our private area looks like. If a man tries to lay with a "trans woman", God will consider that immoral because the "trans woman" doesn't have a female private part.
I do not hate "trans" or people who are attracted to the same gender. The Bible teaches us to love everyone.
However, this is my conviction. I'm confident in declaring it as a sin.
I encourage everyone to try to change my mind if you think I'm mistaken.
I know that it must be really hard to have to live in a body you don't think should be yours, but that's the body/gender God gave you.
I apologize for how stressed you feel. But even so, take comfort in that when you get to heaven God will give you a GLORIFIED body. You will be REMADE perfectly into the gender you were supposed to be.
Walk by the Spirit, and you will not satisfy the desires of your "flesh".
We are only here for a short time. Please be patient and "persevere" in the faith and work out your salvation with "fear and trembling". The risk of chasing your "preference" is too great, my friends.
God loves you and knows your struggle. Take care.
I am glad that you want us to love everyone. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But I disagree with how you are interpreting scripture. For a start, you seem to be confusing sexuality and gender (eg, 'the Bible says a man cannot lay with another man'; that Sodom has anything at all do with people who are transgender). Secondly, the Bible does not define what a man or a woman is. You seem to say it is what 'our private area looks like' - so if someone medically transitions, this changes in appearance. In any case, by your logic, you would be happy for someone to transition if they then had a relationship with someone of the same gender (eg cis man and trans man). But in any case, some people who transition do not seek a relationship with anyone. I could say more, but to sum up I do not think you have thought this through carefully enough.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Sorry, my friend, I'm not confused.
All the men in Israel had to be circumcised. This means everyone with a male private part is considered to be a man. How they feel on the inside is irrelevant. No offense. Nowhere in the Bible did it say that if a man puts on a women's garments an appeal to gender identity must first be made. No, you will be stoned outright because the body dictates gender, not the heart of man which is "deceitful and wicked".
People who medically transition are considered to be Eunuchs. Jesus doesn't say Eunuchs are women. He STILL considered them as men, men who cannot procreate.
The private part you had when you were born is your gender forever.
If someone changed your private area as a baby and you did not know it, that's a separate and more complicated issue--but I'm sure the confusion can be resolved easily enough.
Also, all women have periods. Men do not get periods. If you can give birth to a baby, you are a woman. If you develop the male fluids in your body to impregnate a woman, you are a man. Simple as that.
I know you want to give transgender people comfort, but you're doing it in the wrong way.
My friend, -insert your first name here-, when you see God on judgment day, you will have to give answer to Him for all the false and true teachings you've preached.
I cannot in good conscience support someone's choice of gender identity. I hope that you will continue to think about this deeper and remember that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
My flesh really loves to lust for anime girls. Does that mean I change the clear meaning of God's word so that I can satisfy myself to fictional women? No. I need to submit my flesh to the will of God. It's difficult, but that's how life is right now. I'm sorry. If you have new arguments to present, you can continue debating me. If not, I hope you have a blessed life.
One last thing though: Life being difficult and stressful is the very reason why I tell people having children is a selfish deed. This world is evil and God plans to destroy it and make a new one. So why force more people into this world to suffer? Illogical. I never asked to be here. I did not give my consent. Thank you for listening. Take care. And no, I do not support abortion. That is murder.
Super helpful thanks for this!
Glad it was helpful - thanks for the feedback. It's appreciated!
When they come to my church, I find another church.
No worries.
While I am no christian myself, I think this video can do radical good for my sisters and brothers who are, or evolve in a religious environment.
Hi Izelle Ts, many thanks for the kind words.
@Drewskey Do you wish to be some unsignificant troll, or engage with the matter, and the text, and what people's thoughts and perspectives are?
In the first case, it's your loss, really. And eventhough I do not believe in a sentient or even counscious creator, I can think of no truly benevolent God who wouldn't want you to remain humble, curious, open-minded, and ready to think and bring things under a new light: in a word, to learn as you can from the world they would have given you. So if there were to really be a loving God out there, I'd say it's their loss too, that you'd rather take Pride in a book than allow yourself to grow as a person and a believer.
In the second case, please tell me, in the most loving and respecting way you can find to verbalize your ideas: what exactly, "is just not true", and what does that mean?
@Drewskey Ok. There is a rule in the Bible saying "if a man lies with another man, then punishment."
Who says that to whom, in what context, and for what reasons? Are these rules from God, or the tribes of Israel? Are they for all, or for this people? Are we really supposed to hold all rules from leviticus, from "no killing" to "no mixing linen and cotton in your clothes", as sacred, or is it part of the point of the Bible that human societies mix the word of their divinities with such trivial considerations?
Is it stated why it is a sin? Why it should be considered a sin?
Is it, as it is in the new testament, the voice of an apostle, who is a mere human and known sinner (specifically, the one who denied Christ three times on the day of his death, if I am not mistaken) - in other words, faillible?
What do you make of all that? Did you even ever consider these things and, once again, *engaged with the text* you think holds transcendent truths? To be honest, when I hear believers talk like that, I feel like they simply accepted that their church, congregation, family and loved ones' understanding of the text MUST be the correct one, and did not even bother to double-check, and question everything they thought they knew.
Now, one very simple thing. This video does not mention homosexuality. In fact, eventhough it is more frequent for transgender people to be homosexuals or bi than it is in the general population, the rate of asexuals is also higher. While this might sound very abstract to you, and you might be quick to conclude that it's just some BS and wave it away, you happen to be talking to such a person: a transgender woman who does not have sex with people, and as such, is not a homosexual.
Hate is simple and vain. Love is complex and rewarding.
@Drewstar Love is its own reward.
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
See the associated website page where I deal with this.
This is a wrong interpretation of Gods word.
Hi Keli, thanks for stopping by, but it would help if you could be more specific. Which particular parts of the argument do you believe are wrong, and why?
Just one precision : some transgender people don't want necessaraly to align their biological sex on their gender identity, they just want to use the good pronouns and dress as they feel good
Hi Camille, thanks for this. You're right - not everyone who transitions will medically transition.
Spiritual, Mental, Physical and Social are the four important beings in every individual being. Transgender relates with the mind (mental)how they identify with the sex they should be. Intersex is the physical (body) and how they are made and identify with the sex they should be. Bible is just controversial material published by man... not by "God" it's just a way to keep a man sane and for power, control and greed. Being spiritual is way more natural.. so my fellow thy neighbors live by the laws of nature!
@@davidbiddle8583 Im not religious.. I am spiritual
@@davidbiddle8583 I understand not why you continue to post negative and positive varients of the same phrase. People writing here already know what they are, and readers can reach conclusions just fine. Is it a label of some sort?
Like your explanation but I did have a question on the mind. I get this question a lot on Romans 12:2 "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your (mind), that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. They tell me that it's a purifying process by renewing your mind to fit the body. I agree to a point but my question is, are the mind and brain the same? In scripture I believe they are different, the mind is your being, your soul, who you will be in heaven.
Heaven also fascinates me, why did Jesus say there will be no sex (gender) in heaven? It's like God is saying i'm putting an end to this gender issue in heaven.
Ross, you appear to be happy to judge transgender people as not being worthy of God's kingdom. I'd just point out the warnings in scripture about judging others and acting as stumbling blocks are severe.
@@BibleandHomosexuality May your words be accountable on that day in front of the angels. This is a warning. '...I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.' - Galatians 5:21
It is easy to trade verses: 'If any of you put a stumbling block before one of these little ones who believe in me, it would be better for you if a great millstone were hung around your neck and you were thrown into the sea.' Mark 9:42.
But you haven't actually engaged with the Bible. You haven't explained why the arguments presented are wrong. All you have done is assert your opinions. I don't think this helps either of us, or anyone reading these comments. Why not engage directly with the points made in the video?
Proverbs 3 v 5-6 trusting the Lord with all your heart and lean not on you own understanding commit ALL our ways to God and He shall direct our paths This is extremely difficult after 35 years of Evangelical radical extreme theology. All I can say That God gives us all revelation and to trust him. When my daughter came out asTransgender 2017 MTF 17 years. I was out there to prove the medical profession how wrong there were, but now I completely trust that Transgender is real / Pansexual orientation. I'm my daughter's number 1 ally. Im now wanting to take this message out to all faith denominations, schools and organisations.
Im an Advocate for Mermaidgenderuk who supports parents of transgender children who are the leading charity in this field. God defiantly makes no mistake, he made everyone in his image and beautiful. Being transgender are also his creation we all belong to him in many shapes, race, colour orientation and Gender. I nearly lost my daughter 3 x because of Gender Dysphoria and now I see her well and thriving excelling as a musician; she is an awesome drummer, to see her Aspire to full fill all her dreams.
2 நீங்கள் இந்தப் பிரபஞ்சத்திற்கு ஒத்த வேஷந்தரியாமல், தேவனுடைய நன்மையும் பிரியமும் பரிபூரணமுமானசித்தம் இன்னதென்று பகுத்தறியத்தக்கதாக, உங்கள் மனம் புதிதாகிறதினாலே மறுரூபமாகுங்கள்.
ரோமர் 12:2
Is he trying to say that the Bible does not refer to everyone? Of course the Bible refer every and anyone
The way I see it, do whatever you want. If there is a God and he doesn't like it and he sees it as sin than you will answer to him. Just as i will answer to him for my sins. As long as you don't try and force your opinions on me I won't try and force mine on you.
I think is a much rather list opinion for so many people, but I do strongly resonate with it.
As someone who struggles with dysphoria, the desire to transition is there inside, so ai figured if I did end up doing it and iit is the cuts something ai will have to accept and answer for in the future.
The Bible actually does talk about transgenderism.
Mattew 8:17
17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: “He took up our infirmities and bore our diseases.”[a]
Well now I feel happy and in place
I feel like I don't have to be afraid of being myself
I'm glad god loves me for this
But how do. Tell my parents I'm trans and abrosexual?
Like they're catholic but my parents would never understand
They would say it's gross or something and I don't know what to do. I feel alone because of it.
What do I do?
Hi, I'm glad you found the video helpful.
I'm afraid it's difficult for me to give advice about your situation, as this requires knowing your context and the people involved well. Perhaps there are some advice organisations that might enable you to explore your options in discussing this with your parents?
This is super useful, thank you very much! You do an excellent job of explaining transgender and intersex issues and vocabulary, I really appreciate it!
Though I suggest in the future you shy away from using the term “transgenderism” - it implies being trans is an ideology, and many trans people do not appreciate the term.
Hi Jane, thank you so much for this helpful comment. When I filmed the video, I used the term as I had come across it in many of the scientific journal articles I read around the subject. However, as you point out, it is often used outside these contexts in a problematic way, and I am trying to avoid using the term from now on. Glad you liked the video.
@@BibleandHomosexuality yeah no problem. Scientific journals do tend to use terms the larger populace doesn’t, it’s a shame in many ways
If I may add no where in the Torah, Holy Bible / New Testament, or the Quran can I find where God said to discriminate against anyone. So where do people get the idea that their faith grants them that right to do so?
A prime example of a man refusing repentance by comfort in the flesh.
A prime example of someone assuming the worst of someone else and judging them. As it happens, I am not a person who is LGBTQI+.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Yeah, I apologize, I poorly worded myself. It really just hurts to see someone misleading people against God's will.
How we "think of ourselves" can't compare to what God thinks of us. He crafted you in perfection, in the image of himself, God. If he so states "I know every single hair on your head" Don't you think his intention is greater than our own?
You show the wonderful news of God's word, he created us, intentionally so we would man and women become one. (Matthew 19:4-5) (Genesis 1:27-28) (Genesis 2 18,24) (Mark 10: 5-9) (Matthew 1:27-28)
Live in God's fruit, celebrating his wonderful blessing about your body, his love nad the fact you where chosen. Don't rely on our Impure Flesh's desire. As he remain the same today as he was back at the time of creating us. What makes you think God would change his view when God never made the mistakes we, Humans stood for?
What you're doing is what Satan did to Jesus in the desert;
He used a piece of the scripture against Jesus, 3 times even, till The Devil realized twisting God's word is just as worthless as himself.
(Matthew 4)
Remember, God's words aren't a piece or a verse. but the completeness of the bible, you can't take out pieces of the scripture that back up a point without listening to what else he mentions about it. It's not in our power to fill in and shape the words to benefit ourselves.
Sure, God never mentions "Transgenders" in the Bible, but he does for the same reason he never brings up how climate change affects the earth, it wasn't a concern for the people who needed repentance. The thing is, though he time after time has proven prophecies that happen today, he never mentioned this specific concern about "Transgenders" because God has already overwhelmingly clarified the right fruit, and what desires are of our sinful flesh. When you mention "it applies to the vast majority" I assume you're referring to pieces like the old testament where every made role isn't of standard today, and that is so the Israelites could prepare themselves for the coming of Christ. but though it's not directly to us today, it's still a reminder that we can't go a single day without Jesus, he should be the center of our life.
"Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."
(1 Corinthians 6:18-20)
"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light." (1 Peter 2:9)
How come we're this ungrateful that we want to rubbish, change and inflict what God blessed us with? Yes, God did also bless us with free will, but that also means we're free to follow him, or also follow our own path, but we have to also take responsibility for our own actions along that.
His word doesn't change, what has been said will remain, and he is without sin, unlike us.
You state yourself as a none LGBTQI+ person, though you lead people to it. I don't know if you have strengthened your relationship with Jesus since the making of this video, but since you still think this is the angle people should view the bible from, you seem to still have a lot to ask God, Trust me, just ask him, and he shall answer you.
Yes, God forgives our sins, and yes, he loves us so dearly he even give his only son as an offer for the sins of the world, but that doesn't mean we can continue living in our sinful comfort, it's time for us to truly live in Jesus, it's time for us to become Godly for his will. When the day of judgment comes, do you really tell him the actions you made were of his image and will? do you think God's forgiveness will wipe off all the dust when we keep on falling into the same pit? Dispyte how little we deserve it, Yes, he does forgive us, but there is no reason to ask for forgiveness if the willingness of repentance isn't at heart. and if we aren't at right with God, how can we expect him to be at right with us?
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
I'll be praying for you, steadfast in Jesus only. May God bless and preserve you, Jonathan.
Hi Flamecat, thanks for the apology - it is appreciated. Also, thank you for your prayers.
I am puzzled why you think that transgender people should simply accept their physical bodies as they are, whereas in other areas we are happy for people to change their bodies (for example, laser eye surgery; hearing implants; heart valves; artificial hips). Clearly, there are some situations where we do not accept the physical body with which we were born (congenital heart conditions, for example) and intervene. You haven't explained why this cannot apply to people who are transgender.
You also do not explain why, if God crafts us in perfection, this should not apply to our innate sense of gender (which is partly biological, remember).
You call it the 'flesh's desire', but why label it this way? Surely it is more 'fleshly' to rely solely on the physical flesh?
You say, 'flee from sexual immorality', but this is not concerned with sexual immorality. It is concerned with gender. The two are separate issues. What would you say to someone (for example) who was transgender and had chosen to be celibate?
In what way do people who are transgender come into the list you quote from 1 Corinthians? They aren't in this list.
In short, you assume that there is some sinful sexual desire of the flesh, when the issue is not to do with sexual desire, and there is no good Biblical reason to call the desire sinful or fleshly.
I agree with much of what you say regarding God and Jesus. But I strongly disagree that being transgender is sinful, and strongly disagree that you can find that in the Bible, rather than people trying to read it into the Bible.
I would also add a Biblical principle: good trees produce good fruit; bad trees bad fruit. Trying to convert people out of being transgender leads to much poorer mental health and a much higher risk of suicide. If it's the right thing to do, how come it is so damaging to some of the most vulnerable people? That is not the gospel I know.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Hello, Jonathan.
As I hope you're aware; I wasn't apologizing because what I'm saying isn't corresponding to the scripture, I apologized because, once again, I worded myself poorly.
Though it is true that both those circumstances you reflect on are related to surgery. Surgery is on the one hand a wonderful discovery and gift from God, however, just because something is a blessing it doesn't mean it can't and won't get misused. There's also a distinct difference between physically needing surgery, and mentally thinking that you need one. Unlike reflecting on what is written, you test God by filling in the gaps with your own opinion. Despite all the highlights of the scripture you choose to devalue, you still rely on the words that aren't mentioned. it's not in the knowledge of man, but by the blood of the holy spirit, we can become one with Jesus.
I'm not saying that transferring your gender will result in hell, but hypothetically might. It is important to realize that he never mentions Transgenders as directly wrong, but never as right, why even stand on thin ice at that point? When the steady ground is on the bible, and the Bible is guaranteed to his will. Sure, you can continue defending the words that never was spoken by God, but never dismay by the words that speak to you through the bible.
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"So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." (Matthew 12:36)
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"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me" (John 15:4)
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"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." (Hebrews 13:8)
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I advise you; to spend time with Jesus, and ask him, who offered his life for you, is this really the path to him.
"If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you." (John 15:7)
"For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out."(Romans 7:18)
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It's not our doing, of achieving a transaction that will cure the mental health, but relying on him who saved me from such doom, that we can find life and peace. Therefore rely on Jesus, the only one capable of carrying out the right doing. ("For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace." (Romans 8:6))
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"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)
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Don't choose to live in the flesh, your body, nor the worldly things, but it is only the Lord that has power, it is only the Lord that is worth keeping in your heart. After all, we won't be carrying on our bodies into heaven, why do you then think modifying it would glorify God?
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"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world-the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life-is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever." (1 John 2:15-17)
And you seem to devalue the power Jesus really has. You say "Trying to convert people out of being transgender leads to much poorer mental health and a much higher risk of su!c#de"
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I'm gonna be honest with you, I've been struggling with deep depression for more than half my life. I labeled myself as Christian, grew up in a Christian family, read the word, and went to church occasionally in need, though I thought I lived according to God's will, I never truly let Jesus abide in me. I prioritized other things above reading his word at times, I felt so comfortable in my living, I began taking my own paths without realizing where it led me, I started getting worldly desires, got jealous of what others had, and wanted that expensive car when the current one already was a blessing to have. I even went as far that I, believe it or not, began feeling the desire of changing my gender, I truly left the grip on Jesus in my heart, though I read the bible at times and stuck to his word. It wasn't till I began feeling the consequences that I realized where I where in life, I deleted all contacts, I hated myself and I was on the edge of ending my l!fe, where I asked God, why did you choose me? and his response was: I don't want 50% of you, I don't want 90% of you, but I want all of you.
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Despite how little I deserved it, despite where I stood in life, my sins were forgiven. I laid every struggle aside, every anxiety, every fear, all depression, and pain, and confessed my faith; I give my life to Jesus only. The moment I confessed that, I felt like Jesus embraced me, the love, the warmth, the true life and peace I felt was just supernatural like I'd been in chains all along, but finally broke through. The tears that fell were the purest of happiness. I was freed from my depression, I was freed from my anxiety, and I was freed from living after my sinful desires and confusion. Never going back. Every heartbeat I glorify God in Jesus's name. Amen.
Thank you for sharing your story - I appreciate it. And I am truly glad that God has given you peace.
But I also know the stories of others. And these stories include people who transitioned and found peace with God - the same depth and type of peace, the same radical complete self-giving to God, that you found.
And I am truly glad that God gave them peace too.
BTW, I know you deleted my comments (which refuted your video). Why'd you do that?
Hi Vic, I have not deleted any of your comments. I usually only delete comments if they are outright offensive.
@@BibleandHomosexuality Well someone must've hacked your channel just to do it? I directed a friend to this video and he searched. Our conversation doesn't show up.
I have no idea why your friend can't see your comments. I haven't deleted them, or asked TH-cam to act in any way.
FYI - Anyone can hit 'report' on a comment and YT will review it (so they say, anyway). So YT may have deleted it if it violated TOS or community guidelines.
I came to Christ truly after transitioning
My uncle says I ll burn burn burn yet, he commits two of the worst sins against us. Born male you will stay male. Or I will not love you no more.
Doesn't the Bible in 1 Corinthians 6:9 state that men should not be feminine? Thus messing up the idea of transgenderism? And also when it comes to gender expression, etc. that our bodies are not our own, and that we are called to glorify God in our bodies and minds, I.E identity (1 Cor. 6:19-20). To me that implies that gender is not something that should be careless floundered based off of our feelings. Yes, you should accept and love these people who have gender confusion, just like you would with anyone else, but affirming and celebrating it does not seem the right way to go. I'm not saying that I know everything - I'm a 15 year old kid; of course I don't - and I'm not trying to say that he's completely wrong, but, the way I see it, what he's saying and the bible aren't in complete congruence. I am not a hater, I just think that there is more than what he's laying out from the Bible, and that it's not in total alignment.
Hi Benjamin, thanks for the thoughtful comments and questions. Your first point is about men not being 'feminine'. This is one way (but not the only way) of translating malakos. However, what this meant in biblical times is not what we might mean by feminine today (which makes using this word as a translation problematic). The word malakos carries connotations of moral weakness, including sexual promiscuity (of any kind). This is within a broader culture where women were seen as inferior to men. This is vastly different from today trying to attribute various characteristics on the basis of gender. Also, the concern is therefore not with gender confusion, but moral weakness.
A further point here is that, in any case, we are not talking about men being feminine, but whether a person is truly a man or woman in the first place. People who transition often express it as becoming finally who they truly are. A transwoman is not a man being feminine, but a woman.
You also rightly say that our bodies are not our own, and that we are called to glorify God in our bodies and minds. However, this is not in relation to gender identity, but in relation to sinful sexual practices (in particular, men using prostitutes). We glorify God with our bodies and minds when we love God and love our neighbour. To use this as an argument against transitioning seems to be using the text away from Paul's own concern.
I also agree that gender is not something that should be 'careless floundered based off of our feelings'. Those whom I know who have transitioned have been the complete opposite of careless or floundering. It has been a decision taken after years (often decades) of working through and living with the incongruence between their innate identity as one gender (which is permanent, and at least partly biological, rather than being just a 'feeling') and their physical bodies. The people who have thought most deeply and seriously about issues around transitioning are those who transition.
I hope this helps, and thank you once again for your questions and the manner in which you asked them.
OMG... now I understand the massive turmoil (and worse) a Trans person must endure, being raised to follow the 'Bible'.
Gen ♥️
Thanks!
Regardless of gender or attraction are all Christians avoiding lust and uncommitted sex??
Thank you. Loved it. I have always believed exactly what you said but unfortunately this won't sway the American Evangelicals. It should but it won't.
Thanks for your kind words.
Decieve the people, you doing a great job. Collect views guy
Hi, you clearly think I'm wrong. It would be helpful if you could indicate precisely which parts of the arguments you disagree with.
@@BibleandHomosexuality probably the part where you don’t follow the Bible.
And I will say to them, I never knew you.
You are a false teacher. Please repent.
@@BibleandHomosexuality not I but God that is where you are falling short
Hi Chase and Peter. You don't provide any arguments at all. You just assert that I'm wrong. That's easy to do. But it would be helpful if you bothered to engage with actual arguments.
I hope you read more of the Bible and know the truth ❤️
Yes. Cause this video is idiotic
@@Somtejesstudiosagreed
Hi, I certainly do read more of the Bible, and always seek to know the truth. This is why it is a shame you simply call the video idiotic, without engaging with it at all. If you think it is wrong, do the other readers of the comments a favour and explain why my interpretation is wrong. They will be wanting to know why, and I am always willing to learn.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I certainly want to help you and give me some time
@@randell07 i think he deleted my comment lol. I told him something now it gone
God bless you for the love you have shown. This is God’s love in action!
Thanks for the kind words - appreciated.
@@BibleandHomosexuality none of the few scriptures used actually had anything to do specifically with the issue discussed in the video. Basically just out of context interpreted into a straw man argument. The Bible is not to be taken so lightly.
Hi B&B Studios, I agree that the scriptures used do not specifically deal with transition or people who are transgender. That is because there are no scriptures that specifically deal with transition or people who are transgender. I hope that was clear in the video.
We need to get videos like these out to the public
Thank you! Please do share the video with those you think would find it helpful.
absolutely
No we don't. It is all false information. This video is one big pile of bullsh*t..
Penis = Male ; Vagina = Female.
If you were born with a penis, then you are a MAN. And you will ALWAYS be a man REGARDLESS what you feel or do to your body.
Here's what the Bible says about transgender
Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear a man's garment nor shall a man where a woman's cloak whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God
That’s it , false preachers are on the rise creating confusion among people...
All for some ordinary fake love for each other
Hi Noah, I address these verses in the accompanying website. Link is in the description.
missed the whole point of the video
‘In the day in which they were created Elohim created them male & female in his own image and he blest them & call’d THEIR name ‘Adam’ (Bereshith ch 5:1-2)
No Havvah (‘gabby, talkative’ aka Eve) in the 1st creation myths of the Jews -male & female were created ‘together’ in Elohim’s own image -suggesting that the god of the Jews was in some way hermaphroditic - having traits of both genders (i.e. self-generating)…
(‘Behold David, a man after mine own heart’ saith YHWH) / now David was a murderer (Uriah), an adulterer (Bath-Shebiti) & clearly had homosexual relations with Prince Jonathan if you read the unpointed paleoHebrew of 1 Sam 20:30 which deals with ‘the confusion of your perverted mother’s nakedness’ & verses like ‘now the soul of David was KNITTED with the soul of Jonathan’ then the paean by David at Jonathan’s funeral (‘Jonathan my brother-in-law! My love for you was a great mystery to me-far surpassing the love of any female !’ (2 Sam 1:29ff)
As for ‘YHWH not making mistakes’ why on earth did he create ‘males’ with perfectly form’d female suckling nipples ? LoL !!!
If you look a channel that is supposed to bring clarity to the Bible, but in fact argues against the scripture - you’re encountering evil and the work such. Be careful.
It's very easy to accuse other people of arguing against scripture. If you think I have done that, please be precise, and show where and how I have gone wrong. This way, if you are right, both I and other people can benefit.
@@BibleandHomosexuality
Precision is an interesting challenge. To be precise, your video is lacking exactly what it says to be quoting and discussing - the Word of God. Scripture. That would be the precise problem I have. The title of this video is "What does the Bible say about transgender people." You quoted nothing of the Bible in response.
I believe your argument is that there is nothing to quote. The bible says nothing of intersex individuals or transgender. So you have nothing to quote. Here is the crucial point of dangerous apostatic thought and influence.
The heading of this video should be simple. "I feel the Bible says nothing about transgender or intersex individuals." Yet, that thought does quite encompass the precise problem with the video. Perhaps the title would then be too long, but it should say "I feel the Bible says nothing about transgender or intersex individuals, and this is why I think theories based in the Bible are wrong." Once again, that would not be quite enough, since you believe the Bible says nothing concerning your topic and do not reference the Word of God in any manner we would again have to add on to the title. "I feel the Bible says nothing about transgender or intersex individuals, and this is why I think theories based in the Bible are wrong without quoting the Bible, and only quoting data trends in the secular world."
I hope that brings the precise problem to the light. It would be nice that if you feel Christianity in the majority is wrong in the interpretation of scripture, then use the scripture. You are commanded to via 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." The first sign of an apostate is an individual abandoning scripture and clinging to anything and everything outside of such. Hence, my comment and warning to any who watches your work.
On the other hand, I believe that the Bible does have an immense amount of building blocks, scripture, and information to help us navigate such difficulties - even if it is not clear.
John 10:35
Matthew 19
Genesis 1:27
Genesis 2:18
Genesis 1:23-24
Matthew 16:24
Romans 12:2
Ephesians 4:17-18
Leviticus 18:22
Romans 1:26-27
Deuteronomy 22:5
1 Corinthians 11:14-15
1 Timothy 6:19
I hope this further reply finds you well.
Hi Ty, and thanks for such a complete response - it is appreciated.
You are right in that I do not think any verse in the Bible addresses people who are transgender directly. However, the video is mostly a response to those who claim that it does. The lack of biblical material in my response is mainly because there is so little biblical material in the attacks on transgender individuals.
So perhaps a more precise title would be: why 'biblical' arguments against people who are transgender are incredibly poor and not very biblical. At least I highlight this in my introduction.
To accuse me of abandoning scripture is therefore wide of the mark - I just think it is being misused badly in this debate.
I agree that the Bible has an immense amount that is relevant indirectly. You mention a variety of verses - I'll comment on them.
John 10:35 - this refers to scripture not being annulled. I'd agree. My issue is not with scripture.
Matthew 19 - this refers back to Genesis, which I do tackle in the video (and actually mention that Matthew refers back to it, as does Mark, which you could also have included).
Genesis 1:23-24, 27, 2:18 - I deal with the references to Genesis in the video.
Matthew 16:24 - is about us needing to deny ourselves and take up the cross. But why are you applying it to people who are transgender? You wouldn't apply it to people who are short-sighted, and need glasses, that they need to deny their glasses and take up the cross. Or insulin to a diabetic. Self-denial is about sin and selfishness, and you can only apply that to people who are transgender if you have already decided on other grounds that it is wrong. Otherwise, it's just a circular argument with no validity.
Romans 12:2 is about not conforming to the world and being transformed. Again, to apply this to people who are transgender is an entirely circular argument.
Ephesians 4:17-18 - is about no longer living as gentiles in the darkness of their understanding. Once again, this is only relevant if you have already made your mind up that being transgender is wrong.
All three of the above are basically saying: 'I think being transgender is sinful. These verses saying being sinful is bad. Therefore these verses are talking about being transgender'. But the whole point is to discern whether being transgender is sinful or blessed by God.
Lev. 18:22 & Roman 1:26-27 - these verses are about sexual practices. They are irrelevant to people who are transgender.
Deuteronomy 22:5 is about women not wearing men's apparel and vice versa. I don't mention this in the video, but I do in the associated page on the website, and link to various journal articles. But in any case, being transgender is not about women dressing as men or vice versa. By saying it is, you've just denied that people can be transgender, which is the very point we are to discern.
1 Cor 11:14-15 is about men not having long hair. I mention this passage also on the website. But again, it is not dealing with the issue of being transgender, similar to the Deuteronomy passage.
1 Tim 6:19 is about rich people should be storing up their wealth in heaven rather than earth. I fully agree, but am non-plussed as to how it is directly relevant.
To summarise: your biblical material either refers to passages that I do mention in the video (Genesis); or are passages saying in a variety of forms that Christians shouldn't sin (which doesn't address the issue at all); or are about sexual practices (which isn't the issue); or are about gender roles (which is different from being transgender).
I hope you can see why my (fairly brief) video stayed with Genesis and didn't consider these other verses.
Hope this helps, and thanks once again for engaging.
@@BibleandHomosexuality
First, I would like to agree with you. There is a "more precise title" that can be used for your video. It should be used to avoid the mislabeling of your video. Will you be changing it?
Your video presents scripture, a mild amendment that I will concede to in my original response. In fact, out of 12 minutes and 48 seconds of video, you display scripture for less than one minute and devote the rest of your time to divert thought away from the Word. That is heretical. Your title states "what does the bible say", when it is more about your view - not justifying God's view. You press the thoughts of sinful man first, then try to align God second.
Second, I appreciate you addressing each of the scriptures that I gave you. That took a fair amount of time, but little effort in that most of the scriptures I provided you don't feel are necessary or do not apply. Either way, thank you. That shows patience, understanding, and willingness. However, you have completely confused me. In your response, you stated, " I do not think any verse in the Bible addresses people who are transgender directly." Later, you said, "I agree that the Bible has an immense amount that is relevant indirectly." My confusion does not lie in the exact words that you said versus the video. It is rooted in the idea that you believe the Bible does have something to say indirectly - and you willfully chose to only give scripture less than one minute in your video and not address any of it.
The purpose seems to be a mislabeled video with an intention to entice viewers to watch a video about your theories of gender. Not a video of a dissection of scripture and how it is being interpreted.
Further, you completely neglected scripture in the brief twelve minutes. In the neglection, by viewing other commenters, you have tainted the understanding of many aspects of the Bible.
This is not a dangerous game that is being played for the sake of views on TH-cam. This is, as I said before, is an intentional and willful abandonment of what the Word of God says. Apostacy.
Hi Ty, as I said, the video was addressing the arguments that often claim to be biblical or biblically based against being transgender. The fact that I end up not addressing the Bible directly a lot is embarrassing - but not for me. It shows the paucity of actual Biblical foundations to the attacks. So this is about the Bible and being transgender - because it addresses arguments that claim to be Biblically based against being transgender. I hope this helps.
As you say, there is much is the Bible that is of value indirectly, but I try to keep my videos to around 10-15 minutes maximum. Given enough spare time, I will be producing more videos - including ones, hopefully, showing how there is Biblical support for the acceptance of people who identify as LGBTQI+.
But I can't address everything at once!
2:55 WRONG... not Gender, 'Sex'.
Im a cisgendered male who likes to express him self in very feminine and girly ways. I love pink, i love watching all the girly stuff on netflix and i wear some articles of female clothing. Do you consider this to be sinful? Yes or no and explain why.
I read the website because it's faster than watching the full video, so forgive me if this Bible verse wasn't mentioned: Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God. Now, you can (and I would) lump this in with shellfish and mixed fabrics, so it doesn't apply. But it may need to be discussed in that context. Do you like bacon? Cheeseburgers? Ever work on a Sunday? Wear blended fabrics? OK then wear whatever makes you most comfortable.
Hi, thanks for the comment. I address this verse on the website page in its own section, as one of the resources. I hope you find it helpful.
Thank you so much for this. I'm currently a 13 year old trans male, and this video was so helpful to me. We need more people like you in this world. God bless you.
Hi Zach, glad if you found it helpful. I appreciate the feedback. Take care.
Zach.. your gender is purely biological.. if you have a vagina then you're a female..
God blessed you to become a woman..
I stumbled on your video by accident. I'm so glad I did. I have been looking for months. I have entered the name homosexuality and Christianity and had not found you before. Thank you for this video.
Glad you found it helpful!
@@BibleandHomosexuality I did. My son came out to us 2018. I spent a year talking with my pastor end brothers and sisters in the church about Gideon's transition. It response was very discouraging. There was well intentioned bigotry, just kidding, my friends would have denied it was bigotry. And it was painful. We had a painful break with the church and the denomination. I have been researching this topic since my son came out. I found a lot of good material out there including your videos. Have you written on this topic beyond your website and TH-cam channel? Thank you again
I haven't written anything yet beyond the website and TH-cam channel, but I am planning on putting this material into a short book, to make it available in another format.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I think many people would find that of great interest and to be very helpful.
Why are you not sharing the bible as it is written? You're leading these people astray.
Please be specific where I do not share the Bible as it is written.
Does this apply to nonbinary people?
GOD choose’s The gender male or female
The issue is how do we discern which God has chosen. Which of the various markers of gender (genetic, chromosomal, hormonal, internal features, external features, brain structure, sense of identity, gender assigned at birth) are the right or important ones?
4:00 Erm, Hi brother, can you clarify your position on Gen 1 and 2, it seems clear in the english that God dors address Marriage (He says quite clearly and unambiguously that a male will leave his father and mother and be cleaved to his wife and they will become one flesh Gen) also Gen 1 says be fruitful and multiply. This is a command, not a suggestion, which means that your claim is false for thos point. Youabre correct ot doesnt address transgenderism and I think that is because it was neither relevant not a thing back then.
Sin does corrupt the world as shown in later chapters, but we must be on guard against the corruption. At the ens of the day I was born with Dyspraxia, but I dont affirm the weaknesses it brings, but rather fight with Gods strength to resist the sins that come from it (a lazy attitude, processing issues that lead to sins, but are not sin themselves, other issues such as my compulsive nature and so on).
It is a daily fight and so is homosexuality, God does indeed love you, so much so thatbhe died for your sin. But he is clear. Sin will go punished and we must treat the words lf Jesus seriously, he says he is God (God is unchanging and this if Jesus is God, he must have known the OT and so ifnit was wrong would surely have said so, yet he did not destroy, but fulfil the law (Died for all sin, that those who submit to him would be cleansed from the punishment and so would not suffer it) That does not give us a free pass ri sin though!
Id be interested to know your thoughts @bibleandhomosexuality
Hi, I have a video on Genesis which you might find helpful; it is here: th-cam.com/video/F4ljKuxHAJ4/w-d-xo.html
I agree that we have no free pass in regard to sin. I disagree that homosexuality is a sin. Not loving God and not loving our neighbours as ourselves constitute sin.
Hope this helps.
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
Again, what is your specific criticism? Because it looks like you just don't like what I'm saying, otherwise.
@@BibleandHomosexuality An preacher need to preach God word,not his own.
I dont like what you are saying,because its against God. You cant preach the gospel of the word and the gospel of the bible in the same breath. I you said according you it's okay to be homosexual or Transgender than that's your opinion, but it's not according God.Its blasphemy against the bible.So its blasphemy against God.
You claim it's against God. I think your interpretation of the Bible is wrong. Show me that you're right. What's your argument?
Man cant become woman and woman cant become men
Thank you- very clear interpretations, easy to understand. I also believe that it is important for us to get to the real point of what the Bible is trying to tell us. Just as Jesus continually broke the Sabbath to heal the sick and minister to the poor, he was continuously telling us that the rules are not the most important part of following him. Fighting poverty, greed, and the exclusion and separation of people from community and from God were what he came to do.
I think it's very interesting that God did not give the people of Israel commandments or rules to follow for generations... He gave them to protect his people until we could have the covering of Jesus, and I believe Jesus when he said... Mark 2: 27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
Hi Amber, thanks for the kind words - appreciated! I also agree with your point about the Sabbath.
Thank you for this Jonathan, your reasoning and explanation of history and scripture are very helpful. I'm a Transwoman having recently completed surgery, and a trustee for a charity that supports older LGBT+ people to be socially included. I shall pass your channel details on to our members. From a personal standpoint, I studied the bible with a well-known door-to-door organisation that encouraged me to reason on the scriptures. The key point that I got from this study was Jesus' words "I give you a new command Love God, and Love your neighbour as yourself".
Thank you Katie - I am glad you found it helpful.
It bothers me to hear people say that Christians should accept transgender people because we are told to love others. What's loving about letting people continue in their sin? I think of the analogy of a blind person running toward the edge of a cliff. Is it loving to cheer them on? No! You'd want to stop them and keep them from running off. That's loving.
If you think transgenderism isn't a sin, I suggest reading Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Corinthians 11:14-15.
Hi Victor, thank you for your concern. However, Deut. 22:5 and 1 Cor. 11 do not address people who are transgender. Therefore the Bible does not address the issue of whether or not being transgender is sinful. There is another debate about how relevant it is to people who cross-dress, but that is another issue. What is at debate here is how we decide on someone's gender when there are different factors that are involved that are at variance with each other. These factors include our innate sense of gender identity, which has a large biological (genetic) component. The Bible does not address this issue directly at all (which is not surprising because there are many issues that the Bible does not address directly, such as smoking, IVF, transplants to name just a few). In such cases, where the Bible does not directly address the issue, the (Biblically mandated) practice is to apply the principle of what is most loving. Given that denial of their innate gender (eg through attempts at gender conversion) have demonstrably damaging effects with much higher rates of poor mental health and suicide, the most loving thing is to support people who are transgender. Hope this helps.
An interesting interpretation, but I don't think that Deuteronomy 22:5 is simply about cross dressing. Also, we can't just change reality, which God made, to please ourselves. An addict can't just say that they think their addiction is okay and have it be so. Sin is sin, and it's unfortunate that people feel pulled toward sin for their own pleasure (or, as you might say, self identity), but that doesn't justify the sin. We need to follow God to be Christians. We need to repent of our sins. There are also verses against homosexuality that could be used to speak against transgenderism. To think that you were born the wrong gender is, I think, to say God made a mistake in making you. Psalm 139:13 says "You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother's womb." God did not make a mistake.
I'd also like to add to this. Jeremiah 17:9 says "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?". Proverbs 14:12 says "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death." If somebody is born as a male, he is a male. He can't do something to change that. I can't say I'm a paper and become a paper. You can do what you can, but you can't change the reality of it because you believe it. And from these verses, we see that we can easily be tricked by what our hearts want.
I sympathize with people with gender dysphoria in the same way I sympathize with addicts. I feel sorry for them and their pain, but I recognize that what they're doing is sinful and don't justify it because it makes them feel good.
ok first let me explain- there are two genders male and female. that's it nothing more so when somebody says I'm male and I love males they have something wrong with them because God makes no mistake. because think about it this way God made you and you are born but a few years later you feel like your not yourself and are attracted to the same gender you are. why would God make you like that if he loves you? that's where you have to question yourself. you see I do not support the pride belief because I am very respectful to god. it says in the bible that you may not be in the pride family go check yourself if you don't believe me. so I do not mean to disrespectful to the pride belief but I must say that there is no such thing as another gender or something that will make you LGBTQ because again God made us female or male and if you doubt that I think it's best to see a therapist.
Hi, and thanks for the comment. I address the question about whether God 'makes mistakes' in the video. I also address other parts of the Bible in my other videos, explaining why I disagree with how you are interpreting the Bible. Hope this helps.
Why do you assume that because my gender is female, that I am attracted to males? Transsexual does not equal homosexual. In fact, transsexual has nothing at all to do with who you are attracted to or who you want to be sexually intimate with.
@@tabithamartin4092 i am not talking about that, I am talking about my belief. lets just say I am very religious and I love god with all my heart If you want to be like that then go ahead im saying that I think its wrong since a lot of people assume that they are LGBTQ its mostly people just follow from what people do.
@@sofiathe_th I can't speak for people being glbq, only those who are T. Because the T people are not the same. Trans does not equal gay. Trans does not mean homosexual. Being Trans has nothing to do at all with being straight or gay. And NO ONE who is Trans, WANTS to be Trans. You also don't "choose" to be Trans. You just are, you are born that way. The only choice you have is what to do about it.
You can't say that there are only 2 genders anymore than you can say that there are only 2 sexes. Yes, sex and gender are NOT synonymous... and, if God created intersexed people, why not the transgendered? Why not the transsexual?
Also, from a biological standpoint, a man's brain and a woman's brain differ in size and structure. It has been found out through a series of postmortem examinations that a transsexuals physical brain is sized and structured to that of they gender rather than their sex. This is for both pre hormone treatment transsexuals as well as ones who have undergone hormone treatments. This will inevitably place transsexuality firmly into the category of a less visually obvious form of intersexuality.
Why would God do such a thing to a person if He loves him/her? Why are babies born blind, deaf, or with birth defects? God has a reason. Just because WE can't comprehend, does not mean that he does not have a reason or a plan.
Only criticism. I would recommend not using the term transgenderism since it has been weaponized by the right to dehumanize trans people.
Instead of referring to trans people as a woman born in a mans body or vice versa Transgenderism abstracts all trans people as a concept or ideology people can choose to adopt.
Trans is not a choice, you cannot force cis people to be trans, or cure trans people they are not broken.
Trans people are people, human beings not an ideology.
Hi, and thanks for the comment. You raise an important point. I was in two minds when I made the video about including the term 'transgenderism' for these reasons. In the end, I included it for two reasons: first, because it started out as a neutral term; and secondly because I was rebutting videos which did use this term (and people may also have been searching in TH-cam or Google under this term). This is also the reason, though, why the title refers to transgender people rather than transgenderism, because it is people and their lives that we are addressing, and not, as you say, ideas or concepts.
I am still not sure whether I made the right decision - and were I to remake it I would seriously consider changing this aspect.
Thanks once again.
You dont follow God,but your own will.
Let's leave that for God to judge.
@@BibleandHomosexuality I dont judge,but speak according Gods word,not my own. Yes God will judges us. You will be standing before God and me also,that why its important to know Gods words and not the believes of man.
I don't know about this. The Deuteronomy specifically says that it is an "abomination". I don't know how to feel about it. I mean, it's on the same page as the part that says you should stone your rebellious son to death so it feels a little hard to take seriously. But at the same time, most of the Law isn't really specified as "sinful" and rather as rules for how society must act. However it goes out of it's way to say that "crossdressing" specifically is abominable, that it's more than just bad societal practice, it is detestable to God. The word abomination is very commonly used with various other highly corrupted behaviours, like intercourse with one's daughter, child sacrifice, etc... And in the New Testament they several times say things like that the "sexually immoral shall not inherit God's kingdom" which can be assumed to be those who have done abominable things..?
And I feel like saying "well they were referring to the pagan rituals they used to perform" is a bit of a shaky argument. We don't really know that for sure.
I'm not trying to argue against LGBT here, FYI. I'm asking questions because I want to find the truth and I wanna take all arguments in account
Hi, I address Deuteronomy on the website. You can find a link here: www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people/
Here's the excerpt:
In the video, I do not consider in detail any one verse from the Bible - that is because I do not consider that any verses in the Bible directly address transgender people.
However, there are some verses that are pointed to, so here is a quick response to each.
Deuteronomy 22:5 - A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God.
It is first worth noting that this verse could only be relevant if you assume that a trans-man is ‘really’ a woman or vice versa. But this is precisely what is at stake: how do we decide whether someone is a man or a woman, when biology and identity don’t match? It is an example of the type of verse used to condemn ‘gender confusion’, which isn’t an appropriate criticism of those who are transgender. (This also applies to such passages as 1 Corinthians 11:2-16.)
Secondly, it is actually far from clear what the context of this verse is. For example, many of the cultures surrounding ancient Israel had religious practices that included the pagan priests who cross-dressed. Thus cross-dressing becomes a symbol of idolatry. Whatever the original context, it is highly unlikely that the writer or original audience had people who are transgender in mind. This article deals with the issues more closely:
Vedeler, H. T. (2008). Reconstructing Meaning in Deuteronomy 22:5: Gender, Society, and Transvestitism in Israel and the Ancient near East. Journal of Biblical Literature, 127(3), 459-476. doi:10.2307/25610133
Hope this helps.
What a wonderful hermeneutic of truth and love. In particular, to hear you identify some of our poor interpretations of the Bible as "sub-Christian"...and to call us to something greater...wow!
Thanks for the kind words - appreciated!