I think Paul deliberately killed Makayla because he saw the promising future that she had. The love she was receiving from the family reminded him of his sisters
He was a shining star, but got robbed of his future. He killed his sisters, and bil, who had lived shining lives; the aunt, who banned him; and the litte girl, who had a shining future. He would've killed the rest, but his guns jammed. He should've been locked up long ago.
From 13-15 minutes made me so emotional because I can relate. I had OCD my whole life but it escalated when I was about to go to university. Suddenly I went from being the golden girl to being consumed by my own brain that I couldn’t focus on anything but surviving. Fast forward I am 27 and just started university again after getting my life back on track from the vicious grip of OCD. I’ve been having a bad week because my obsessions and compulsions are a little high the past few days and this just reminded me of how far I’ve gotten and that I have to keep going. OCD is a debilitating illness and the more people understand that it’s not just about being clean and tidy the more we feel less alienated. Thanks Payton for mentioning that cleanliness is not the only type of OCD out there. We appreciate it
Thank you so much for sharing❤ We are so proud of you for continuing on when it is so so hard to. You are amazing and we are cheering you on from here!
Yes!! This exactly! Thank you so, so much for representing OCD as the real and unseen mental disorder that it is. I have had it since a child, with my break happening at 15. I am now 28, and am in weekly therapy with daily homework. My turning point was finding an outpatient clinic that took me 4 hours a day, 5 days a week. It was literally my “job” for a year. I have a more complicated case due to suffering from severe BDD, which is also so misrepresented. These things can be debilitating, but also possible to manage with work! There is hope!
@@murderwithmyhusband yes! There is hope to lead a fulfilling life with these disorders and I believe in you, you got this! This is exactly why awareness matter. The more people understand the real aspect of mental illness the less alone real sufferers feel ❤️
In all honesty, I can’t say I blame the Sitton’s for sueing Paul’s parents. They knew he’d made threats to kill his sisters and other family members, that the aunt had banned him from her own thanksgiving the year prior, and who he was in general. It’s already rude enough to invite someone, to someone else’s house, day of… without consulting anyone… but knowing how dangerous he was, was crazy. Obviously I feel bad that they lost their kids, but the Sittons had every right to sue them. I really want to know why McKayla. They just met, she was already in bed, he left plenty of other survivors… I wonder if it was a mercy killing so she didn’t have to experience the trauma of waking up to find all that but maybe I’m giving Paul to much credit. He was so specific in who he killed, which makes it even clearer that it was planned. While I’m normally not a fan of people having kids 40+ (both my parents were 40+ when they had me and it led to a number of mental and physical health issues, as well as being far younger when my mum died) I’m glad they were able to have two daughters after the tragedy of losing McKayla.
Paul’s parents had a lot of nerve trying to sue those people for letting him in their house when he wouldn’t have even known where they lived had they not taken it upon themselves to give him the address without even asking. This is terribly sad all around. That poor baby deserved to live.😢
Right?! That makes no sense. Why do they feel they have the right to place blame on them for opening the door. The whole thing may not have been completely avoided but it could have been delayed had they not given him the address.
Imagine if you’d told your son to come over, he’d travelled for a few hours & when he arrived, the house owners wouldn’t let him in! That would not have gone down well, the Dad would have likely argued with the house owners until they let the son in! The Dad cannot blame (& try and sue) the house owners!!! How ridiculous 😡😳 Such a sad story, this one 😞
My thoughts exactly. He was out of line for even inviting Paul without getting everyone's consent. Nothing "may have" happened, but he still should have asked. He did not consider the feelings of his twin daughter who was still recovering from her loss and may not be ready to face her brother... He didnt care about the homeowners...I wouldn't want my address going to a person, family or not, who is mentally unstable. Especially if I had a child living at home. He was definitely wrong for his counter-suit especially with the devastation his son left behind.
Exactly and when you announce that someone is coming over it’s not like someone will be like no. They can’t come over cause then it looks bad. Don’t get why his parents sued them.
i have watched hundreds, if not thousands of true crime stories over the years, and this is one of the few ones that brought me to tears. this is so devastating.
Thank you Peyton for covering this heartbreaking story with such grace. I will hold my 2 year old daughter so tight tonight. Poor Makayla, that beautiful and talented little girl did not deserve to have her life ended in such a gruesome way. I am convinced that the world would’ve been better with her still in it. It makes me so happy that the Sitton’s were able to bring another little girl into this world.
To help Garrett understand, there are a bunch of mental illnesses that develop and/or show rapidly around the ages of 18-25. It usually seems sudden to people who can't see the signs beforehand.
Oh my goodness. I can not fathom what that family had to deal with. I tear up every time I hear your voice break. Thank you so much for bringing voices and attention to the victims more than the perpetrators.
True, my dad is Mexican and my mom is white/American. On my mom's side it's boring gross dry Turkey only one year we had the juicy yummy turkey I hear about because my Uncle finally decided to make it one year😅 and on my dad's side was the best damn tamales and pazole every single thing you could imagine with a shit load of ppl always😂 I love both my sides but I mean the food always wins with my papa's side😂
Guys you gutta be buying better turkeys. I’m assuming your buying butter balls or something close to from the grocery stores. We get out turkeys from the Hutterite colony. I promise you will never have a better juicey Turkey 💯
Turkey isn't even a popular thing in my country. One time, we finally found a place that did it and wanted to try one just once in our lives. Couldn't tell the difference to a normal chicken, other than it being way too dry and it's bigger 😂 a roasted chicken done the right way is so much better lol
This story brought chills down my spine because how ruthless this was, all stemming from jealousy. Also because I’m going through something like this and I fear my brother is gonna do this to my family
My dad made a smoked, juicy, turkey injected with hot buffalo sauce, Soaked in brine for a day. It was the best turkey I've ever had. Good job guys!! I always listen to you every time you upload! Also, screw this guy, A kid, what dude kills a kid. Killing is horrible, to begin with, but all these people had a life before this guy, and he ruthlessly took it away from them. I send prayers to them all.
A bit of info about the Florida mental health care system. I did my masters degree in counseling there and I worked at a psychiatric facility for individuals with severe conditions. There is one state hospital in Florida (at the time) and it is NOT a long term facility. My patients who needed long term residential care would cycle in and out of our system. They would come to our hospital, wait 3-6 months for a bed, be at the hospital for some time, and then be released only to have the whole thing happen again. Many of my clients could not care for themselves and would stay in this cycle for years. It was so sad and frustrating, and they deserved safe, long term care options in facilities. The mental health care system in Florida (and in many other states) fails patients and their families all too often.
Mental illness and violence don't go hand in hand. Those murders were pre-meditated. I am so happy for the family to have two baby daughters to help heal wounds.
I’m sorry but mental illness and violence go very hard in hand together. It is part of mental illness whether it is directed at the self or others. It’s an integral part of mental health and one of the main aspects of focus a lot of the time. This man absolutely did premeditate you’re very right, and he should be locked up for a very long time- he was mentally ill but he absolutely knew what he was doing.
I laughed when I heard Garret say “16 people is a lot”! Just my immediate family is 21 people. My 5 children, their spouses, 9 grandchildren, and my 1st cousin who has no family.
@39:34 you said something that makes a lot of sense. “For someone who couldn’t figure out how to live on their own…he sure figured out how to do this somehow.” It’s chilling. I don’t know why but it is. Cause a lot of times people will come up with excuses but he knew what he was doing. He planned it all.
I think parents find it hard to see that their children might be dangerous. There was a case in Australia of a young girl whose mother was told by her other daughter and many other people that she was not to be trusted and that there was something wrong with her. This mother babied her because she was very obviously struggling and let her get away with so much. She refused to put her in a place where she could get the help she needed. One night there was behaviours from this young girl who was now 16 years old, and the mother had had enough. The mother told her daughter that she was going to get help and that she would need to go somewhere to get that help. The 16 year old girl took a knife and decapitated her mother while her sisters young child was in the home. The 16 year old then called 000 in a quite matter of factly way said that her mother was dead and that it was not her fault. This girl knew exactly what she did even though she had mental problems. It was a tragedy that was avoidable if the mother had only been willing to see the truth and act accordingly. I think that denial plays a role in these cases and that in this case, is evidenced by the fact that the father said it was ok for him to come to the dinner. I am sure he obviously did not know this was going to happen but, he knew that the rest of the family was not comfortable with it. I believe the parents just wanted their son to be well and were in denial of how dangerous he was. This is a really sad case and one that will stay in the fabric of that community and anyone that was close to it or followed it in the media. Y
This has become one of my top 5 true crime TH-cam channels!! I found you on Snapchat and have been subscribed to your shorts for a while now. Was on the hunt for new content and channels and decided to see if you had a TH-cam channel as Snapchat stories were just too short!! I find myself saying “I’m the husband” and “And I hate it” along wit Garrett every time now 😂. You both are natural story tellers and have such a smooth mellow tone and vibe. New Patreon member too so look forward to the extra content!! Much love to you both ❤️❤️
Can you guys cover another Thanksgiving case? James Kahler whom killed his family in Burlingame, Kansas in 2009. My aunt was one of the jail workers in Osage County where he was held, tried and convicted. I heard about when I moved there from California in 2010. Love you guys!
Y'all. He said he'd been wanting to do this for 20 years, so that would've made him 15 years old. What happened at the age of 15 between him and his sisters and his aunt and possibly the Sittons (because since Makayla wasn't alive, I'm assuming he killed her to make them suffer, for whatever reason). At the age of 15, he was still considered the "golden boy". His mental illness hadn't developed yet, or at least it hadn't become severe enough to be detected. So yeah, I'd be interested in someone answering that question: what happened when he was 15??
I thought the same thing too. Maybe he was feeling alot of mental pressure from being the golden child (I can relate to that), but just hid it well. And when his life took the turn for the worse, it aggravated those negative feelings...especially since OCD isn't one the mental illnesses that tend to make people violent. He may have resented his family for a while and started lashing out when he realized that all that hard work and pressure was for nothing since his life went down the drain during college.
My heart breaks for makaylas parents because my oldest turns six in a month and just learned psalm 100 in school a month ago. So heartbreaking, I can't even imagine!!!
Oh wow, this was a very disturbing case. It filled me with so much anger towards Paul. I’m with the Suttons on the death penalty. This sick man should’ve took his aggression out on himself not an innocent little 6 year old 😭
First time here. Very nicely covered. I really like this podcast👌🏻 I inly hope they decide to cover a less known case, because the same ones keep being talked about over and over in every podcast you join🤷♀️
Am I losing my mind or was the intro filmed at a different time? 😂 I swear Peytons hair and sweater changed but it's been a long day at work 🙃...also, when she said he was quite literally STUNNED I laughed so hard at work
Knew a case similar to this and interestingly, the parents protect the son, while the daughter, who were brutally attacked by the son before, had to live in fear
I’ve never had Turkey in my life. For thanksgiving our family makes tamales, have you guys tried them? :) I started crying the moment Payton’s voice broke, this story was a heavy one. Thank you for honoring everyone involved 🤍
What a tragedy..🥺 And what an incredible surprise of,not ONE,but TWO miracles at the end of this story..🥹 God bless this family,and these other daughters..❤
when i see stories like this i honestly worry my brother could possibly snap, maybe not to this extent but he's a full blown narcissist, hasn't had a job in over 10 years.... he's 38.... my mom supports him and he's so manipulative it makes me sick. i married a canadian and bc of immigration bs i haven't been able to visit my family in arizona in 6 years, it's been really hard to watch from a distance but also glad i moved away from it all but also get scared about visiting them in the future.
I relate to Paul’s illness so much. Not the violence or s**cide part, but I have severe separation anxiety that never went away from childhood, I’m in my mid 20s now and it’s a little better, I have a job, but I can’t really live on my own yet. I know how painful and frustrating it is to see your peers growing up and getting married. And I know the anger you sometimes feel irrationally at them and yourself for what your illness has cost you.
the fact that Makayla would've been my age hurts so much. She had so much life to live and this evil man took that away from her. My heart hurts so much for all of these people, he took their lives for literally no reason at all. I am just fighting back tears at this point
I truly don’t believe OCD was the causing factor in this. I have OCD and have struggled with it my whole life. The only person I’ve ever blamed is myself even though it’s truly no one’s fault. I think his struggle with it created and escalated different mental health issues like depression, anger issues, or something more dangerous. I can’t imagine ever hurting someone else because they have a “better” life then me…. This is not to say OCD isn’t challenging and a struggle to deal with everyday.
I cracked up when you said 16 people was a huge amount on a holiday lol I’m Sicilian American, my husband is Turkish, 16 is a small holiday lol. We invite everyone & have lots of family. And we’re not crazy about Turkey & I rarely make it.
I just wanted to say that yeah OCD can 100% just come on randomly and suddenly. I definitely had mild obsessive compulsive tendencies when I was a kid that were just overlooked, but it didn't truly become a problem until mid 7th grade for me. I was 12 and it was like overnight my personality switched from this bright, confident, leader to an anxious wreck. I only got diagnosed now, years later, because it got to the point where I was struggling to function because I was spending hours obsessing. It really is terrible to go through and it makes you lose so many people because of how destructive it is. Thanks Peyton for mentioning that the obsession with cleanliness is not the only type of OCD! It is common for people with OCD, but not the sole qualifier. Additionally, to anyone afraid that OCD makes people a certain way-- please remember that those with mental health issues are more likely to be victims of crimes than criminals themselves. While mental health may sometimes have a role in these situations, that does not mean everyone with said disorder is going to harm those they care about. In fact, it is often the greatest fear of people with OCD!
I am a turkey baby who was born on Thanksgiving Day back in 1988 and I definitely have to agree that turkey is just not very good at all 🦃😂 This is such an incredibly heavy story that really got to me. What an evil man to methodically plan such a horrible massacre of his own family members on a day like Thanksgiving 😭
I would love to see you guys cover the Miya Marcano case if you haven’t already. Her story really hit home for me and it’s so terrible what happened to her and that her family wasn’t able to get justice for her.
Paul was clearly a threat to the family and the society, I wonder if the reason his parents didn't put him into psych ward was because they were embarrassed, only for him to bring even more shame to them
Omggg I thought I was the only one who didn’t care for turkey , but this year I had jerk turkey for the first time and I have to say it changed my mind a little lol . Love you guys and your content ❤
I have never heard of OCD as an “excuse” to commit horrific crimes. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, but it’s not something that is usually linked to crimes. You do hear of things like schizophrenia, personality disorders, things of that. But I do feel some sorrow for Paul if he did actually have mental disorders. It’s scary to think that some disorders can’t be cured and people have to resort to being put in a mental institution. I wish he would have ended up there before having the chance to harm innocent individuals. And let’s not forget, even those who didn’t lose their lives on that day, still live everyday with grief from those that were taken, and I’m sure many of them have ptsd.
Recognizing people who may not celebrate Thanksgiving- so inclusive of you. How wonderful and sweet. I agree Turkey 🤮. We have deep fried DUCK and it ROCKS!!!!
Hey you! I hope you are well! Just here to remind you: YOU ARE ENOUGH! If someone says you're "too much" tell them to go find less. You're not a burden, you're worthy of healing. I'm proud of you if all you did today was exist. Remember rest is productive. (And laziness doesnt exist) Whatever you're going through, you're gonna make it through this. You've got this. I believe in tou enough for both of us. Feed your inner child, you deserve to feel the joy that was ripped from your childhood. There is so much healing there. And remember: if ALL you did today was breathe?? You deserve and are worthy of nutrition and hydration . If you're still reading, go take your meds, drink some water and wash your a**. I love you. Its gonna get better hunny
I’m not sure if anyone will see this, but if anyone is having a panic attack in the comments rn wondering if they could potentially harm others due to mental illness, please take a deep breath and, if needed, a step away from this story. I have severe OCD myself and have started treatment for it this year and it has changed my life. I want to comment to add some more information to the discussion of “why” this may have happened. Obsessional thinking associated with OCD is “ego-dystonic” meaning it goes against what that individual values. After extensive research into this disorder that has plagued my existence, I personally believe Paul does not have OCD, or he only has one subtype of OCD, being Contamination OCD. This would mean that Paul values his health and life and doesn’t want the consequences of being sick or giving that sickness to others. Based on what was said in the story, Paul often threatened not only his own life but the lives of others, leading me to believe that at the point of him making these threats, he may have developed a different disorder entirely. Yes, he could have had OCD at the onset of his mental breakdown, however, the final decision to harm others is not characterized under OCD. My point is we cannot and should not label this tragedy under an OCD breakdown. Paul chose to attend a dinner he knew he was unwelcome at. Paul chose to bring weapons with him to said dinner. Paul chose to wait until after dinner to go get these weapons out of his car. Paul chose to not only fire his gun once, but many many times. For those who do not have OCD, please try to understand that people who really are suffering with the disorder do not want the thing they are obsessing about to happen, and Paul is likely just a person who made a shitty decision. And to those with OCD, our disorder does not equal mass murder. Take care of yourselves, and please lmk if there’s anything I can better explain.
Garrett, I love turkey and happen to have family that know how to perfectly cook turkey, however, there alot of people who do not like turkey 😋 😀 you are not alone....my granddaughters do not like turkey. The holiday is not about the meal its about the family all gathering at the table, updating about thier lives and the love shared with each other. Ham or turkey, chicken or an ordered 6ft sub sandwich just be thankful 🙏 the family could be together ❤ the holiday brings feelings of love and memories of past holidays, love you guys and look forward to Monday's to having you and Payton in my livingroom and would have whatever you wanted for Thanksgiving! Happy holidays to you both!!!
I n March 9, 2010 at Dorado, Puerto Rico A 8 year old boy named Lorenzo Gonzalez Cacho was murder in his own home with his little sister being in the same room and his mother and older sister inside the house. Ana Cacho (Lorenzo mother) took him to the Treatment and Diagnostic Center in Dorado, Puerto Rico. Cacho arrived between 5:00 and 5:30 am with Lorenzo covered in blood. The child was pronounced dead at the clinic. Upon questioning, Cacho claimed that her son had fallen from his bed at their home in Dorado del Mar. However, this version was discarded by the autopsy which revealed severe injuries to the face and head, which included three stabbing wounds to the face. It is one of puerto ricos biggest unsolved case and has been covered up alot by the police.
I think Paul deliberately killed Makayla because he saw the promising future that she had. The love she was receiving from the family reminded him of his sisters
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He was a shining star, but got robbed of his future. He killed his sisters, and bil, who had lived shining lives; the aunt, who banned him; and the litte girl, who had a shining future. He would've killed the rest, but his guns jammed. He should've been locked up long ago.
i just love you guys!
"kicking a winning 45yr old"
and G doesn't miss a beat "not just a 45yr old, a WINNING one!"
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From 13-15 minutes made me so emotional because I can relate. I had OCD my whole life but it escalated when I was about to go to university. Suddenly I went from being the golden girl to being consumed by my own brain that I couldn’t focus on anything but surviving. Fast forward I am 27 and just started university again after getting my life back on track from the vicious grip of OCD. I’ve been having a bad week because my obsessions and compulsions are a little high the past few days and this just reminded me of how far I’ve gotten and that I have to keep going. OCD is a debilitating illness and the more people understand that it’s not just about being clean and tidy the more we feel less alienated. Thanks Payton for mentioning that cleanliness is not the only type of OCD out there. We appreciate it
Thank you so much for sharing❤ We are so proud of you for continuing on when it is so so hard to. You are amazing and we are cheering you on from here!
Yes!! This exactly!
Thank you so, so much for representing OCD as the real and unseen mental disorder that it is. I have had it since a child, with my break happening at 15. I am now 28, and am in weekly therapy with daily homework. My turning point was finding an outpatient clinic that took me 4 hours a day, 5 days a week. It was literally my “job” for a year. I have a more complicated case due to suffering from severe BDD, which is also so misrepresented. These things can be debilitating, but also possible to manage with work! There is hope!
@@murderwithmyhusband 🥹❤️❤️
@@murderwithmyhusband yes! There is hope to lead a fulfilling life with these disorders and I believe in you, you got this! This is exactly why awareness matter. The more people understand the real aspect of mental illness the less alone real sufferers feel ❤️
as a seventeen year old girl, i’m proud of you🫶🏽
In all honesty, I can’t say I blame the Sitton’s for sueing Paul’s parents. They knew he’d made threats to kill his sisters and other family members, that the aunt had banned him from her own thanksgiving the year prior, and who he was in general. It’s already rude enough to invite someone, to someone else’s house, day of… without consulting anyone… but knowing how dangerous he was, was crazy. Obviously I feel bad that they lost their kids, but the Sittons had every right to sue them.
I really want to know why McKayla. They just met, she was already in bed, he left plenty of other survivors… I wonder if it was a mercy killing so she didn’t have to experience the trauma of waking up to find all that but maybe I’m giving Paul to much credit.
He was so specific in who he killed, which makes it even clearer that it was planned.
While I’m normally not a fan of people having kids 40+ (both my parents were 40+ when they had me and it led to a number of mental and physical health issues, as well as being far younger when my mum died) I’m glad they were able to have two daughters after the tragedy of losing McKayla.
I think McKayla because he saw how promising her future was. He was obsessively jealous of his sisters.
Paul’s parents had a lot of nerve trying to sue those people for letting him in their house when he wouldn’t have even known where they lived had they not taken it upon themselves to give him the address without even asking. This is terribly sad all around. That poor baby deserved to live.😢
Right?! That makes no sense. Why do they feel they have the right to place blame on them for opening the door. The whole thing may not have been completely avoided but it could have been delayed had they not given him the address.
Imagine if you’d told your son to come over, he’d travelled for a few hours & when he arrived, the house owners wouldn’t let him in! That would not have gone down well, the Dad would have likely argued with the house owners until they let the son in! The Dad cannot blame (& try and sue) the house owners!!! How ridiculous 😡😳 Such a sad story, this one 😞
My thoughts exactly. He was out of line for even inviting Paul without getting everyone's consent. Nothing "may have" happened, but he still should have asked. He did not consider the feelings of his twin daughter who was still recovering from her loss and may not be ready to face her brother... He didnt care about the homeowners...I wouldn't want my address going to a person, family or not, who is mentally unstable. Especially if I had a child living at home. He was definitely wrong for his counter-suit especially with the devastation his son left behind.
Exactly and when you announce that someone is coming over it’s not like someone will be like no. They can’t come over cause then it looks bad. Don’t get why his parents sued them.
Sounds like Paul is paranoid schizophrenic
i have watched hundreds, if not thousands of true crime stories over the years, and this is one of the few ones that brought me to tears. this is so devastating.
I never get emotional but when Payton’s voice cracks, I tear up.
man! when she starts crying or gets upset, I get upset and start crying with her. Payton, you're truly an angel and amazing soul!!! ❤
Me too. Ugh. I lost my 8 year old son to a drunk driver in 2018 so I know this families pain
@@camdensmomma01 I am so sorry, I could not imagine
Thank you Peyton for covering this heartbreaking story with such grace. I will hold my 2 year old daughter so tight tonight. Poor Makayla, that beautiful and talented little girl did not deserve to have her life ended in such a gruesome way. I am convinced that the world would’ve been better with her still in it. It makes me so happy that the Sitton’s were able to bring another little girl into this world.
"You can get a can of olives any time" -the man who apparently thinks mashed potatoes are seasonal 😂
To help Garrett understand, there are a bunch of mental illnesses that develop and/or show rapidly around the ages of 18-25. It usually seems sudden to people who can't see the signs beforehand.
Yes yes yes, it's so interesting how it starts under the pressure of college..
Oh my goodness. I can not fathom what that family had to deal with. I tear up every time I hear your voice break.
Thank you so much for bringing voices and attention to the victims more than the perpetrators.
I’m with you Garrett. One time I had a thanksgiving with an American family - turkey is just a way worse tasting chicken
Ham for the win!
True, my dad is Mexican and my mom is white/American. On my mom's side it's boring gross dry Turkey only one year we had the juicy yummy turkey I hear about because my Uncle finally decided to make it one year😅 and on my dad's side was the best damn tamales and pazole every single thing you could imagine with a shit load of ppl always😂 I love both my sides but I mean the food always wins with my papa's side😂
100% white people Turkey is gross. Latinos making Turkey tho!!! We make it so juicy ❤
Guys you gutta be buying better turkeys. I’m assuming your buying butter balls or something close to from the grocery stores. We get out turkeys from the Hutterite colony. I promise you will never have a better juicey Turkey 💯
Turkey isn't even a popular thing in my country. One time, we finally found a place that did it and wanted to try one just once in our lives. Couldn't tell the difference to a normal chicken, other than it being way too dry and it's bigger 😂 a roasted chicken done the right way is so much better lol
Honestly this is the only reasons I'm able to get through Monday mornings at work :D
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Perfect thing to listen to while I clean and organize! Have a wonderful week everyone 😊
You as well!!!!
It blows my mind how far this podcast has come. Great editing fantastic storytelling.
This story brought chills down my spine because how ruthless this was, all stemming from jealousy. Also because I’m going through something like this and I fear my brother is gonna do this to my family
My dad made a smoked, juicy, turkey injected with hot buffalo sauce, Soaked in brine for a day. It was the best turkey I've ever had. Good job guys!! I always listen to you every time you upload! Also, screw this guy, A kid, what dude kills a kid. Killing is horrible, to begin with, but all these people had a life before this guy, and he ruthlessly took it away from them. I send prayers to them all.
My name is Makayla and I just turned 19 a few days before Thanksgiving, this story broke my heart :(
A bit of info about the Florida mental health care system. I did my masters degree in counseling there and I worked at a psychiatric facility for individuals with severe conditions. There is one state hospital in Florida (at the time) and it is NOT a long term facility. My patients who needed long term residential care would cycle in and out of our system. They would come to our hospital, wait 3-6 months for a bed, be at the hospital for some time, and then be released only to have the whole thing happen again. Many of my clients could not care for themselves and would stay in this cycle for years. It was so sad and frustrating, and they deserved safe, long term care options in facilities. The mental health care system in Florida (and in many other states) fails patients and their families all too often.
Mental illness and violence don't go hand in hand. Those murders were pre-meditated. I am so happy for the family to have two baby daughters to help heal wounds.
I’m sorry but mental illness and violence go very hard in hand together. It is part of mental illness whether it is directed at the self or others. It’s an integral part of mental health and one of the main aspects of focus a lot of the time. This man absolutely did premeditate you’re very right, and he should be locked up for a very long time- he was mentally ill but he absolutely knew what he was doing.
I misread your comment, was about to mention cases like the greyhound bus murder, cause sometimes mental health is a factor.
Heard this story twice before and you still told it better!!
Aww, thank you!
You guys are the top podcast on my Spotify wrapped! In total I spent 3 days 5 hours listening to you
I laughed when I heard Garret say “16 people is a lot”! Just my immediate family is 21 people. My 5 children, their spouses, 9 grandchildren, and my 1st cousin who has no family.
its so weird I always listen on podcast and its so fun seeing you two for the first time.
@39:34 you said something that makes a lot of sense.
“For someone who couldn’t figure out how to live on their own…he sure figured out how to do this somehow.”
It’s chilling. I don’t know why but it is. Cause a lot of times people will come up with excuses but he knew what he was doing. He planned it all.
You're close to 200 000 subscribers already! Not surprised. Just happy for you guys! ❤️🥂🍾🥳💃💐
343k only a year later!🎉
Happy thanksgiving Paton and Garrett , best wishes from a Scottish subscriber 😘🏴🇺🇸
My daughters name is Jupiter and I know it's been a planet and city forever but it's so neat hearing you say her name!
I have many mental illnesses and OCD is the worst. People don’t realize what it does to you. It’s not just about “being particular”
I think parents find it hard to see that their children might be dangerous. There was a case in Australia of a young girl whose mother was told by her other daughter and many other people that she was not to be trusted and that there was something wrong with her. This mother babied her because she was very obviously struggling and let her get away with so much. She refused to put her in a place where she could get the help she needed.
One night there was behaviours from this young girl who was now 16 years old, and the mother had had enough. The mother told her daughter that she was going to get help and that she would need to go somewhere to get that help. The 16 year old girl took a knife and decapitated her mother while her sisters young child was in the home.
The 16 year old then called 000 in a quite matter of factly way said that her mother was dead and that it was not her fault. This girl knew exactly what she did even though she had mental problems. It was a tragedy that was avoidable if the mother had only been willing to see the truth and act accordingly.
I think that denial plays a role in these cases and that in this case, is evidenced by the fact that the father said it was ok for him to come to the dinner. I am sure he obviously did not know this was going to happen but, he knew that the rest of the family was not comfortable with it. I believe the parents just wanted their son to be well and were in denial of how dangerous he was.
This is a really sad case and one that will stay in the fabric of that community and anyone that was close to it or followed it in the media. Y
This has become one of my top 5 true crime TH-cam channels!! I found you on Snapchat and have been subscribed to your shorts for a while now. Was on the hunt for new content and channels and decided to see if you had a TH-cam channel as Snapchat stories were just too short!! I find myself saying “I’m the husband” and “And I hate it” along wit Garrett every time now 😂. You both are natural story tellers and have such a smooth mellow tone and vibe. New Patreon member too so look forward to the extra content!! Much love to you both ❤️❤️
Can you guys cover another Thanksgiving case? James Kahler whom killed his family in Burlingame, Kansas in 2009. My aunt was one of the jail workers in Osage County where he was held, tried and convicted. I heard about when I moved there from California in 2010. Love you guys!
Look forward to these every week ❤
Ive watched every episode. This is the hardest one yet.
With his "supposed" mental health issues, how was he able to buy guns, without a clearance?
Love this podcast ! So calming relaxing and interesting so glad I discovered you guys I’m always looking forward to new episodes ❤
Y'all. He said he'd been wanting to do this for 20 years, so that would've made him 15 years old. What happened at the age of 15 between him and his sisters and his aunt and possibly the Sittons (because since Makayla wasn't alive, I'm assuming he killed her to make them suffer, for whatever reason). At the age of 15, he was still considered the "golden boy". His mental illness hadn't developed yet, or at least it hadn't become severe enough to be detected. So yeah, I'd be interested in someone answering that question: what happened when he was 15??
I thought the same thing too. Maybe he was feeling alot of mental pressure from being the golden child (I can relate to that), but just hid it well. And when his life took the turn for the worse, it aggravated those negative feelings...especially since OCD isn't one the mental illnesses that tend to make people violent. He may have resented his family for a while and started lashing out when he realized that all that hard work and pressure was for nothing since his life went down the drain during college.
@@bunsbuns9072 maybe! Thank you for your thoughts! 🙏🏼
My heart breaks for makaylas parents because my oldest turns six in a month and just learned psalm 100 in school a month ago. So heartbreaking, I can't even imagine!!!
Oh wow, this was a very disturbing case. It filled me with so much anger towards Paul. I’m with the Suttons on the death penalty. This sick man should’ve took his aggression out on himself not an innocent little 6 year old 😭
First time here. Very nicely covered. I really like this podcast👌🏻
I inly hope they decide to cover a less known case, because the same ones keep being talked about over and over in every podcast you join🤷♀️
Am I losing my mind or was the intro filmed at a different time? 😂 I swear Peytons hair and sweater changed but it's been a long day at work 🙃...also, when she said he was quite literally STUNNED I laughed so hard at work
I laughed so hard when she said he hit a winning 40 year old man instead of 40 yard 😂😂
Knew a case similar to this and interestingly, the parents protect the son, while the daughter, who were brutally attacked by the son before, had to live in fear
I’ve never had Turkey in my life. For thanksgiving our family makes tamales, have you guys tried them? :)
I started crying the moment Payton’s voice broke, this story was a heavy one. Thank you for honoring everyone involved 🤍
What a tragedy..🥺
And what an incredible surprise of,not ONE,but TWO miracles at the end of this story..🥹
God bless this family,and these other daughters..❤
Garrett is so funny without even trying 😂
when i see stories like this i honestly worry my brother could possibly snap, maybe not to this extent but he's a full blown narcissist, hasn't had a job in over 10 years.... he's 38.... my mom supports him and he's so manipulative it makes me sick. i married a canadian and bc of immigration bs i haven't been able to visit my family in arizona in 6 years, it's been really hard to watch from a distance but also glad i moved away from it all but also get scared about visiting them in the future.
Ham and pumpkin pie!!! Me too Garrett I knew I liked you! you guys are awesome!! thank you for what yall do!
Somewhere close by in my state, just this morning a murder suicide was apparently found with 5 dead in the house from stab wounds
I relate to Paul’s illness so much. Not the violence or s**cide part, but I have severe separation anxiety that never went away from childhood, I’m in my mid 20s now and it’s a little better, I have a job, but I can’t really live on my own yet. I know how painful and frustrating it is to see your peers growing up and getting married. And I know the anger you sometimes feel irrationally at them and yourself for what your illness has cost you.
the fact that Makayla would've been my age hurts so much. She had so much life to live and this evil man took that away from her. My heart hurts so much for all of these people, he took their lives for literally no reason at all. I am just fighting back tears at this point
I truly don’t believe OCD was the causing factor in this. I have OCD and have struggled with it my whole life. The only person I’ve ever blamed is myself even though it’s truly no one’s fault. I think his struggle with it created and escalated different mental health issues like depression, anger issues, or something more dangerous. I can’t imagine ever hurting someone else because they have a “better” life then me…. This is not to say OCD isn’t challenging and a struggle to deal with everyday.
I cracked up when you said 16 people was a huge amount on a holiday lol I’m Sicilian American, my husband is Turkish, 16 is a small holiday lol. We invite everyone & have lots of family. And we’re not crazy about Turkey & I rarely make it.
literally crying as i watch this. it’s truly so heartbreaking 💔 😢
Trust your intuition!!! It's never wrong ☹️
I just wanted to say that yeah OCD can 100% just come on randomly and suddenly. I definitely had mild obsessive compulsive tendencies when I was a kid that were just overlooked, but it didn't truly become a problem until mid 7th grade for me. I was 12 and it was like overnight my personality switched from this bright, confident, leader to an anxious wreck. I only got diagnosed now, years later, because it got to the point where I was struggling to function because I was spending hours obsessing.
It really is terrible to go through and it makes you lose so many people because of how destructive it is. Thanks Peyton for mentioning that the obsession with cleanliness is not the only type of OCD! It is common for people with OCD, but not the sole qualifier. Additionally, to anyone afraid that OCD makes people a certain way-- please remember that those with mental health issues are more likely to be victims of crimes than criminals themselves. While mental health may sometimes have a role in these situations, that does not mean everyone with said disorder is going to harm those they care about. In fact, it is often the greatest fear of people with OCD!
Hearing Peyton’s voice break was so sad🥺
Somebody had to say it Garrett! Brown sugar ham over turkey👏🏼 love you guys!❤️
Anytime Garrett’s 10 sec starts with “this might be controversial” I almost always agree 😂
i follow you guys on Spotify, TH-cam and apple podcast LOVE HOW you both explain the stories keep IT UP!
We don't celebrate thanksgiving here where I live but we think of you all that do celebrate thanksgiving 😊😁
I agree with Garret on this one! That was too much, that was a lot and that was extremely Sad!!! 🥺🥺🥺
I agree my favorite is black olives! Love thisssss
I’m with you Garrett!! Don’t give me the turkey. Give me the ham!!! Lol (and all the sides!) 😂
Best start to the week is sitting down listening ❤❤
Mental health issues are often so difficult to understand . I pray the victims are now angels protecting the rest of their family🙏🏻🙏🏻🤍🤍
I am a turkey baby who was born on Thanksgiving Day back in 1988 and I definitely have to agree that turkey is just not very good at all 🦃😂
This is such an incredibly heavy story that really got to me. What an evil man to methodically plan such a horrible massacre of his own family members on a day like Thanksgiving 😭
Garett clocked that tea! For someone who needed family support and couldn’t live on his own was able to plan all this!
Deep fried turkey injected with Cajun butter! The BEST.
1000% agree with Garrett on the turkey vs ham debate
I’ve never had olives at Thanksgiving dinner. 😂
My favorite TG dish is my mom’s apple stuffing. Sooooooo good.
I would love to see you guys cover the Miya Marcano case if you haven’t already. Her story really hit home for me and it’s so terrible what happened to her and that her family wasn’t able to get justice for her.
The end gave me chills. this story was horrifying.
Yay! Excited about this every week!
Paul was clearly a threat to the family and the society, I wonder if the reason his parents didn't put him into psych ward was because they were embarrassed, only for him to bring even more shame to them
Wtf his parents, who gave their son directions and told him to come, tried to blame the poor family who's house it was!
Is that a murder with my husband blanket on the arm of your chair Payton??! I NEED IT 😍
You should do one on the opossum murders in lake Havasu Arizona
Curre you crying 😭 a light hearted crime story would be delimar Vera!!❤️❤️
I’ve had more people this year say they don’t like turkey than ever before and I just think you guys are not having the right turkey 😂
Omggg I thought I was the only one who didn’t care for turkey , but this year I had jerk turkey for the first time and I have to say it changed my mind a little lol . Love you guys and your content ❤
Hello, will you doing anything on the Athena Strand abduction case?
This one made me cry !
I'm from the UK and I agree with you Garrett! We have Turkey at Christmas and it is overrated. I much prefer Ham!
I have never heard of OCD as an “excuse” to commit horrific crimes. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, but it’s not something that is usually linked to crimes. You do hear of things like schizophrenia, personality disorders, things of that. But I do feel some sorrow for Paul if he did actually have mental disorders. It’s scary to think that some disorders can’t be cured and people have to resort to being put in a mental institution. I wish he would have ended up there before having the chance to harm innocent individuals. And let’s not forget, even those who didn’t lose their lives on that day, still live everyday with grief from those that were taken, and I’m sure many of them have ptsd.
Recognizing people who may not celebrate Thanksgiving- so inclusive of you. How wonderful and sweet.
I agree Turkey 🤮. We have deep fried DUCK and it ROCKS!!!!
Hey you! I hope you are well! Just here to remind you: YOU ARE ENOUGH! If someone says you're "too much" tell them to go find less. You're not a burden, you're worthy of healing.
I'm proud of you if all you did today was exist. Remember rest is productive. (And laziness doesnt exist)
Whatever you're going through, you're gonna make it through this. You've got this. I believe in tou enough for both of us.
Feed your inner child, you deserve to feel the joy that was ripped from your childhood. There is so much healing there.
And remember: if ALL you did today was breathe?? You deserve and are worthy of nutrition and hydration .
If you're still reading, go take your meds, drink some water and wash your a**. I love you. Its gonna get better hunny
Properly seasoned fried turkey is amazing!
about the 10 seconds, im glad that at least one person acknowledges that ham is better than turkey!
I’m not sure if anyone will see this, but if anyone is having a panic attack in the comments rn wondering if they could potentially harm others due to mental illness, please take a deep breath and, if needed, a step away from this story. I have severe OCD myself and have started treatment for it this year and it has changed my life. I want to comment to add some more information to the discussion of “why” this may have happened. Obsessional thinking associated with OCD is “ego-dystonic” meaning it goes against what that individual values. After extensive research into this disorder that has plagued my existence, I personally believe Paul does not have OCD, or he only has one subtype of OCD, being Contamination OCD. This would mean that Paul values his health and life and doesn’t want the consequences of being sick or giving that sickness to others. Based on what was said in the story, Paul often threatened not only his own life but the lives of others, leading me to believe that at the point of him making these threats, he may have developed a different disorder entirely. Yes, he could have had OCD at the onset of his mental breakdown, however, the final decision to harm others is not characterized under OCD. My point is we cannot and should not label this tragedy under an OCD breakdown. Paul chose to attend a dinner he knew he was unwelcome at. Paul chose to bring weapons with him to said dinner. Paul chose to wait until after dinner to go get these weapons out of his car. Paul chose to not only fire his gun once, but many many times. For those who do not have OCD, please try to understand that people who really are suffering with the disorder do not want the thing they are obsessing about to happen, and Paul is likely just a person who made a shitty decision. And to those with OCD, our disorder does not equal mass murder. Take care of yourselves, and please lmk if there’s anything I can better explain.
I have been binging these since yesterday when I found them on Tik Tok
Garrett, I love turkey and happen to have family that know how to perfectly cook turkey, however, there alot of people who do not like turkey 😋 😀 you are not alone....my granddaughters do not like turkey. The holiday is not about the meal its about the family all gathering at the table, updating about thier lives and the love shared with each other. Ham or turkey, chicken or an ordered 6ft sub sandwich just be thankful 🙏 the family could be together ❤ the holiday brings feelings of love and memories of past holidays, love you guys and look forward to Monday's to having you and Payton in my livingroom and would have whatever you wanted for Thanksgiving! Happy holidays to you both!!!
Podcast uploaded. Nice. Now I can go to sleep 👍🤣
I've remembered to that after the Heartbreak Loss to Alabama in the 74th Iron Bowl.
Have you guys covered the Meredith Kercher case?
I n March 9, 2010 at Dorado, Puerto Rico A 8 year old boy named Lorenzo Gonzalez Cacho was murder in his own home with his little sister being in the same room and his mother and older sister inside the house. Ana Cacho (Lorenzo mother) took him to the Treatment and Diagnostic Center in Dorado, Puerto Rico. Cacho arrived between 5:00 and 5:30 am with Lorenzo covered in blood. The child was pronounced dead at the clinic. Upon questioning, Cacho claimed that her son had fallen from his bed at their home in Dorado del Mar. However, this version was discarded by the autopsy which revealed severe injuries to the face and head, which included three stabbing wounds to the face. It is one of puerto ricos biggest unsolved case and has been covered up alot by the police.
you guys should do a episode on mr cruel
I don't like turkey either Garrett. I never really have, it's too dry to me.
Earliest I’ve ever been!! 💗👋🏽 Hi from Washington!
Happy late birthday! My birthday was on the 25th as well!
Yess the olives !!!!! I would eat the whole bowl and my grandma would always put them out just for me