Grace Millane - Tinder Date Tragedy - 101
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the well-documented murder of British Traveler, Grace Millane.
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I can't really get through this one. I am from NewZealand and I knew him, not well but I knew of him, he dated a friend of mine and was extremely abusive, we managed to get her out of there thankfully. I still remember when this came out, my friend called us crying and asking if we thought it was her fault for not going to the police about the abuse, she still blames herself because if she had he might have been in jail instead of on twitter, I feel so much for Grace's family, the whole of NZ cried for her it does not happen often in NZ and it was a huge shock. Also even though there was a suppression of the name, we all knew who it was within the first few weeks of the murder happening.
Omg sending hugs and prayers to your friend! No one deserves this and I hope she finds peace. She is not responsible for the disturbing behaviour of another or the abuse she endured! Much love
he’s out and on twitter now?
Omg -wow…. definitely not her fault,. Evil doing evil
@@chellseymarie9895 I think they meant to write Tinder.
How your friend feels is understandable, but she must remember she is a victim too.
The murderer/rapist is the one to blame, no one else.
Sending her a big hug all the way from Spain.
Wow! New Zealand's CCTV work has set the bar so high. Imagine how many crimes would have been solved if every country has it like this. May Grace's soul rest in peace.
It sucks cause how many cameras a country has isn't the problem its how clear the footage is, but new Zealand has outdone themselves especially for this case and may she rest in peace
Umm it’ was 2018 of course our CCTV wouldn’t be excellent quality 4 years ago
What do we 😅8
Years Old
It's so ironic that he is taking all these steps to get rid of physical evidence but, the CCTV has all his steps recorded.
I always get the early morning Spotify notification that the episode came out but I always wait until the TH-cam video comes out cause I just love watching you guys!
I do the same damn thing every week!
Me too!!
Same
I'm from New Zealand and this case was massive here.
Another thing is, NZ is a really small place. My friend, was matched with a girl on tinder and was going to go on a date with her around 9pm. He got a call from her at 8pm, frantic. He went to the hotel she was at and she explained what had happened: She had gone on a date earlier with a guy, had a couple of drinks, things were going well so he asked if she would go back to his room at a hotel so he could get changed before they went out clubbing for the night (she was gonna no show my mate). She said they went into the room, the guy was all good, then went into the bathroom, she was on the couch in the main room, when the guy came back out and he was like a different person, like a man possessed, really aggressive and scary. She was freaked out and luckily was able to leave as fast as she could out the door though he was chasing her. She got to the elevator and went down to the lobby, by the time she reached the lobby, she had 5 missed calls from the guy. She then rang my mate, after she got off the phone to my mate, the guy was standing behind her. She was visibly destressed so the security guard stayed with her until my mate got there. Once he did, she told him this story, he dropped her home and they didn't talk much after that. A couple of months later, that girl messaged my mate and said, "that guy who killed Grace was the guy I was with that night". She gave evidence at Grace's murder trial.
what the fuck
holy shit
ohh myy godd
That's crazy. I'm glad she's okay.
🤯 I’m stunned!!!
I worked in the city right by the hotel when this happened. It was so tragic, we all just cried hearing the news. Her father passed away from cancer not long after the trial, I really hope they reunited in peace💗💗
How sad!
Why did you cry? Did you know her personally?
@@beachnagger9723 empathy maybe?
It always makes my stomach drop when I see how fucking “normal” these murderers appear. It’s terrifying. I’m literally going to be single for the rest of my life. People are scary man.
Indeed
I think it is good that they didn’t release his name and image. This gives Grace the spotlight and keeps the focus on her as a victim. I wish more cases were like this.
I like it for the fact that some people are innocent, and the media doesn't care. They look for the money, and that's it. So they will do character assassinations for the clicks. Ruin people's life.
And the girl that he had a date with the day after (or whenever it was) said that he gave her such creepy vibes. She started walking towards her car and he started to follow her, then she said “oh I parked this other way” and went the opposite direction because she was scared of him. I imagine he felt a rush that couldn’t wait for his next victim. His sentence though, not enough time.
Every Monday we get takeout somewhere, then me & my husband sit down and watch MWMH. It's a tradition! My 8 year old daughter watches her ipad while she eats but she'll occasionally look up at the interesting parts lol!! We love you guys, you rock! P.s- my husband said "let's gooooo 10 seconds guy!" When he found out you like pickle ball😂
I loved that you said “a trolley like from the suite life of zack and cody” 😂😂
Loved that too 😂
The last thing you said "understand that you've done nothing wrong when you're the victim of things like this" was so reassuring cuz as a survivor of stuff like this myself where I could've just as easily been killed, its so common for people to blame themselves and they continue to think stuff like "maybe if I hadn't been there" Or "if only I had said no" or "if only I had been smarter" etc. when clearly the criminal is the one to blame. It might have been a mistake(not even..?) on my part for trusting this stranger to be who he says he is but it's a "crime" for him to straight up rape/kill me so it goes without saying that it's never the victim's fault.
oh my god this is insane!!!! garrett you literally say exactly what i’m thinking. i’ve never ever heard this before and the fact that there’s so much CCT footage makes this even more scary. i’m so glad you covered this you also do such an amazing job, payton ♥️
this is a heartbreaking story, but is it bad I got a little excited when I saw one of the cases I filled out the case suggestion form for its used! I know I am not the only one to suggest it, but I knew Garret would like all the camera footage which is what make me suggest it. Also, alot of the other true crime channels haven't covered it!
This coverage is amazing but one note, you keep mentioning that it was Grace's hotel but it was actually his hotel room. The hotel Grace was staying at reported that she never returned to her room the night she went out with him as soon as the police were notified that she was missing. This is why he has the key card/is able to leave and return to the room so easily. It would have been an even quicker investigation if it was her room, because her hotel were one of the first ones contacted upon her case being picked up by police.
Thanks for that. I was wondering why he was able to go back up to the room when she was reported missing.
ahh i’ve just commented this. i thought i’d listened to this story wrong so many other times. such a sad story and makes you wonder if anyones really ever safe 😣
That makes so much sense as I noticed he had different shoes on when he’s seen going down the elevator the next day. Been sat wondering where he got another pair of shoes from if he’s in her hotel room x
My heart is broken for Grace and her family.
There really aren't many things women can do without being in danger of men. Dating, walking home, going to school, work...
Don't demonize all men. That's not fair. There's bad women as well.
@@wiilover07 only a man could turn a woman being murdered by a man into “not all men”. Please be fucking respectful
@@PrincessxXxZEOD Women kill too. 🙄
@NintendoFanBoy07 no shit. but the difference is: are men actively looking over their shoulder for women with ill intentions every time they leave the house? are they scanning the parking lot at target while they load their car to make sure nobody is watching them, after scanning the store while they're shopping to make sure there are no men following or keeping tabs on them? are men making sure they have pepper spray at their fingertips while on a solo run in case somebody tries to grab them or murder them in the woods?
nobody is naive enough to believe that it's "all men." but for some reason you feel the need to point the finger elsewhere despite all of the statistics about male on female violence. usually, the ones who are so keen on diverting your attention elsewhere are the ones who have something to hide. you sound real sus.
it may not be all men, but it's too many men and until the bad ones wear a scarlet letter to warn those around them, then you all wear that letter. until we are safe walking alone at night, then it'll stay "maybe that man."
@@wiilover07it’s not demonizing all men, when women say “men” they aren’t talking about all of us
a comparison that helped me realize this was russian roulette, it should be safe you have a 1/6 chance of dying but would you take the risk? no probably not; and since men attack women and stuff they don’t know which one so they’re weary of all of us
another example are snakes; if you have 145 snakes and one is poisonous, you wouldn’t go around playing with all the snakes cause there’s one that can kill you, you’d probably avoid them all same goes for men
i used 145 as that is the scaled down amount of men in US prisons compared to the US population; one in every 145 men go to prison for something
you guys should make “Im the Wife!” and “Im the Husband!” merch.. i think it would be really cool!
Yeah I could definitely see ppl wanting that.
this case is a huge reality check for me personally because I play hockey, I coach 3-7 year olds in learn-to-play, and last year i cut off 13 inches of my hair to donate to charity. Hearing someone so similar to myself being the victim is scary and it reminds me that it really can happen to anyone.
I wonder when he was going through her purse if he was trying to find a hotel key or see if she had anything to defend herself with her.
She was found just a few kilometres from my home, an area thick with bush. This case haunted our nation. He had name suppression to ensure a fair trial, but very importantly because there were 2 other cases before the courts against him. It was revealed that he was massively abusive to other women. The day after he murdered Grace, before he buried her, he went out on another date with another woman who ended the date because she felt so uncomfortable around him. The fact that her sex life was dragged before the courts and aired to the entire world is just shameful. RIP Grace. Rot in Hell Jessie.
.....I mean she slept with the dude within, what, 3 hrs of meeting him? I can see why the comments are turned off on most videos about this case.
@@ryanfreeborn4252Bad choices don't excuse murder so it doesn't actually have anything to do with it
I got my boyfriend hooked to ur podcast n now I have to wait to watch/listen to new episodes with him 😭
i found y’all on tiktok this morning and have not been able to stray away from your channel/page!
also i remember seeing clips of the surveillance video on tiktok, this is so sad and to read some of the comments of their friends having close calls, so sad
I was gonna send you a recommendation for this case, I’m a kiwi who lives in Auckland New Zealand and this rocked us big time!
What a beautiful young woman and such a tragic way to lose her. So sweet how her friends and mother found an impactful way to honor her memory.
This is so scary. Especially because it reminds of a guy a friend knows. I think she has a restraining order against him now. But a lot of things are checked. Pathological liar, huge narcissistic lies, violence. Wishing for healing for Grace's family and friends
obsessed with how excited garrett got about the camera footage
I get excited when monday comes when a new episode comes live. Love watching your videos. Can’t wait for when the new merch comes for the summer or near future. 😊❤️🤞🏻
What a sad case. I just want to add that it was his hotel room where she was murdered, not hers.
She didn’t even want to go !??😖😢 heartbreaking. Ladies don’t let them bully you into going out or getting back with these men
I don't think (in fact, I KNOW) that Americans can't seem to get over the fact that case's here in Australia and New Zealand are dealt with so very very differently and just so so much better, because we do all the right thing's, everything we can to keep people safe, and to be able to get justice for them should something go wrong.
Everywhere should have camera's, colour camera's, and we all have camera's in taxi's here. Xxxx
im from new zealand and didnt realise that we had this many cameras lol. also this case was so sad not many of us watched the footage before which is why I think I left this case as the last one I watched on your youtube.
when i was around 5-6 my mom was a caregiver for a paraplegic woman, i was doing homework and her husband was watching law and order. the episode was about how a girl was on a date with a guy she met online then was kidnapped by him. i haven’t trusted online dating websites or strangers on social media ever since.
It is so cute that Payton guesses Garretts questions ahead of time and makes sure to include the answers
I'm so glad he was caught on all these cameras. I wish all murderers could be surveilled this way
I am currently binging all the episodes and I rarely ever leave TH-cam comments but something told me to leave a comment on this episode because the message is so strong like many women get blamed or blame themselves or get shamed for being a victim and like it is not their fault and no matter what took place in the relationship never blame yourself for someone not valuing you and mistreating you and i absolutely hate in cases when the defence wants to bring up someone’s past to “slut shame” regardless of the situation it is NEVER EVER a victim’s fault for the abuse. It sad that this what happened and I pray for Grace and her family and I pray they continue to heal. 🙏🏾 Also I love you guys and I love the husbands commentary it makes the show! Keep making more episodes so I have something to binge and listen to at work lol
Your podcast is so gooddd, it always keeps me company everytime i go to school :)
I am from brentwood!!! a heart breaking case ! so glad you covered it !
She seemed like such an amazing person. All the good people just HAVE to have a terrible death. It's upsetting what people have come to
I believe he checked her purse to make sure she didnt have a gun or some sort of weapon. This case is so sad. A day before her birthday... she deserved better. He was SO VAIN. Acting so cocky all nigh long parading around knowing full well what he plans to do. Checking himself out in the elevator reflection the next day after what he did!!
Not allowed to carry guns in New Zealand so no he Didn’t do that for that reason
Lol wtf taylor
I agree. He was probably looking for a weapon or some thing she could use a self-defense. He was trying to disarm her.
Just a small thing, it was actually not Grace's hitel room, it was Jesses, he just lived at the hotel. Grace was staying at a backpackers hostil and went back to City Life where Jesse was staying
Thanks for another great MWMH episode. I was just going to mention that the apartment and footage of poor Grace was actually at Jesse Kempson’s as he had taken her back to his place and that’s where it all took place. He lied to begin with saying that they had parted ways in the street but really she had gone back to his. This was also something they tried to throw against Grace’s good character during the trial. Grace was as beautiful as her name inside and out #Rip 😇
Not Apartment hotel
I've already heard the podcast but i can't wait to see the footage! Love from Portugal ❤
I'm from New Zealand, I have been waiting for this to be covered. Absolutely shocking and horrific for her and her family.
You guys should make a vlog of how you set up for each episode! It would be very interesting 🙂
I am always waiting for Monday’s to come. I am a big fan since day one!!! Keep up the good work
Finally I was able to catch up with all the episodes!
Such a heart wrenching story. This is one of the first times I can relate deeply to a victim; as I’m currently studying abroad and am planning to spend most of the upcoming summer traveling around various countries and seeing the world… likely won’t change my plans, but seeing this certainly reaffirms some fears that have been in the back of my mind as a solo female traveller in new and unfamiliar environments. My heart goes out to her family, and I’ll definitely be looking into that charity!
Love you guys, and the show! Keep it up!! ♥️
This is beyond scary. It's tough meeting people in the real world, and social media has helped that, but also has helped killers meet their victims. I met my partner on Tinder in July of 2018, the same year Grace met this guy. I'm getting married this October, and all from a Tinder match. My heart hurts for Grace.
You guys are covering a case I suggested which I love! But this case breaks my heart especially when the Prime Minister gave that interview
The scary part is that he went on a date after he Buried grace and the women said he brought up talking about dead bodies or something and she got freaked out and told him she had somewhere she had to be she doesn’t have NO clue what this man did so glad she had a feeling and left
I remember this being reported in ireland as it came out and I was absolutely appalled at this entire case, the details, the trail, the way it was reported. absolutely everything.
Hey guys, fan for a while now. I’ve started listening from episode 1 on Spotify and I’m on The Wood Chipper, and I gotta say I love love love ur original stuff! I mean I adore this podcast but there are some amazing gems in your old stuff! Like I’ve ur too old for tik tok that I have no business on it! I love your sound effects too! I’m happy for your success and will continue to schedule ur posts weekly into my schedule! Keep it up. Much love Sam from Ontario Canada!!
Have you thought about ever covering the Madeleine McCann case? I’m not sure how well known it is there but it’s huge in the UK. Would love to hear your opinions on it!
Garrett will definitely say ‘what in the world’ a few times xD
I would love to hear what people from the UK think about that case. Do you mostly blame the parents or was it a kidnapping?
Most of us don't know what to think, my own theory is that they probably drugged her to sleep so they could go out to the bar without worrying and then she was kidnapped and it was so much easier since she didn't wake up to raise an alarm. I've done quite a bit of research into this, I was the same age as madeline when she disappeared and she would have been in my year in school. Its definitely the fault of Portuguese police and the way that they handled the situation that she hasn't been found and probably never will be.
Her case is massive in the US. We all know of her.
It’s crazy to think he never thought of anything after he looked dead into a camera after it happened. But glad he got caught. There are too many people doing this stuff that get away.
New subscriber here from the UK 🇬🇧 I remember this case I’m local to Essex thank you for covering this 💞
I’ve been waiting for this!! Just cause of the footage! ❤️ we still haven’t forgotten Grace and her Family
Ngā mihi
(Stay safe/healthy)
I found your podcast on Spotify on 2/21/22, it is now 3/4/22 and I am all caught up!! You guys are amazing!!
I love listening. I have my entire job listening. We all wait for Mondays, and click our episodes at the same time. Hurry up and talk about what we heard so far during the ads, and then tune back in 😂. Its routine. I work in a lab of 60 people. We all laugh on cue with Garretts 10 seconds. But can you please cover “Youssef Khater” case(s)?
It’s just so so heartbreaking that many indigenous women who go missing in Aotearoa don’t get much, if any media coverage. Grace was a tourist so I get why they had to cover it extensively - but there is still a woman missing who hasn’t had the same treatment from the police in NZ. Her name is Brenna Muriwai and she hasn’t been seen since last year august.
The lack of evidence and people coming forward of course plays apart in her still being missing - but it doesn’t make it hurt any less for her whanau and friends
You guys should go over the case of the fenney family murders in Missouri
I would just like to you guys know I have been watching your videos for a solid 4 hours at this point
So did she get killed on her birthday? That's so sad..I couldn't imagine how hurt her family was/is. 💔
It’s so weird watching new episodes as they come out! I’ve been binging for so long😭
The negative thing about not releasing his name or photo is that others he victimized can't come forward. Sometimes other cases are solved because an accused person is recognized from previous "bad acts". Also, other police might have an image of him as a suspect in another case, but have no opportunity to get that info because he is being protected.
thank you so so so much for covering this, love from New Zealand
I'm from New Zealand and this was so heartbreaking
32:34 although it's blatantly obvious, TECHNICALLY all the videos etc is circumstantial evidence, that's why they'd be protecting him for a fair trial
Why would it be considered circumstantial evidence? Thankyou sm sm
There is a murder/suicide in my small town, Meridian MS. that has gotten national TV attention. His name is Christian Andreacchio, in my heart I feel like the killer is still out there. Please look at this case. Thanks you guys are amazing!
There should be a montage of Garrett Quotes. “Grabbing it saying hey what’s going on in here.” 🤣🤣
Let's start a mini-series of cases that have tons of cameras, just for Garrett
The pure joy he had when she said Security Cameras
Glad you two had a great live show! So wholesome I ♥ it.
The irony of me getting a tinder ad on this vid
I’m from New Zealand and I remember this is was awful all over the news since u have a New Zealand one done can you do David Blaine. He killed his whole family and got away with now is in Australia and has a wife and kids and he named one of his kids after his sister that he murdered!!! My mum went to school with his siblings
I’ve been asking for them to do this case too!
@@breanamarunui6854 scary my mum went to school with his siblings so she knew them! And his house isn’t far from me my mum’s friend now lives in the house but it’s been rebuilt
He didn’t do it! I reckon his dad did it and had a silencer and killed himself but David held the gun to stop his dad but his dna was already on it
I'm from NZ and I remember this case very well. During the same time a Chinese woman was killed by her partner with very little reporting. It kindda feels like that conversation about Missing white woman syndrome, and some argued that because Grace is a pretty white British girl. (Both are equally tragic but received different attention)
In NZ lawyers would ask the defendant to pled not guilty to go on a trial, to see if they could get less sentences, even if all the evidence is against you. It's not about whether or not he is remorseful.
So excited for this episode! Love you guys so much.
I’m one of your old fans from Egypt 🇪🇬 love you you always make my Monday’s better much love ❤️
I understand, but hate when people wait so long to report someone missing. Best case it’s a misunderstanding and they’re found fine, worst case you increase chances of finding them alive. The first 72 hours are so vital
Hahaha when Garrett yelled “cameras!” I lold
24:09 i cant believe the hotel people didnt notice a guest bringing in a rug doctor..
Found ya'll on TikTok, decided I didn't wanna watch small chunks lol....new sub
Love listening to your podcasts via apple or youtube while I'm studying or running.
The love i have for this podcast is unimaginable
Im from New Zealand I listen to you guys all the time. Thank-you for your praise of our policeman.
Guys honestly you make my week start soooo good 🥰i really love your content, how you are so sure when you explained it and also I LOVE how you guys are just so cute together garett always looked impressed by you and yours stories ! Please never stop doing that you actually make my depressed life go away for a bit. I binge watched all of your episode i wish you had so many mores hahaha ❣
"I'm a Disney Channel kid", i love you hahaha
Ok who’s just ordered their merch????? ME ME ME ME I’m so excited for it to come xx
Can you guys do the hello kitty case? I’ve heard about and I’d like to know more about it. It would be a really good episode and I’ve seen other people ask about too
She narrated so well
This case sparked England, Wales and NZ to ban "rough sex" as a legal defense
I live in Lincoln! A lot of people knew her and loved her. I didn’t have that pleasure, but she was positively spoken about. Also love you guys 🖤
This case is really interesting. Security cameras especially like the ones in this case are really the best thing to happen but the worst thing for people like him, it’s almost like we know what’s going on in the room without actually knowing what’s going on
I've just discovered this channel and I like it already-
The merch is amaaaazing. I’m from Australia and I’m about to buy a bunch ☺️
Can you bring back the I love it & I hate it long sleeves?!? I missed them last time you dropped them.
Hey love the podcast I had a suggestion. You guys should try looking into Jeannette DePalma. It’s a cold case in New Jersey from 1972
I’m from Essex uk 🇬🇧 funny started watching this as just subscribed here coz I watch on the snap stories and found you on TH-cam
Can we get a merch set with the logo from your background? The red neon is a vibe and would look so good on a black crewneck
Genuinely asking why you referred to him as "the man" and "this man" this was a huge case. His name is Jesse Kenpson
Take a shot every time you hear....the man.
@@melissaaponte8576 watch minutes 30-35. that explains it
Wow. What a literal sociopath. This is so scary. Rest in peace, Grace. 💚