Hi Curtis, just want to say you're the man and you are an extremely underrated youtuber. You're the mature persons youtuber. There's no flashy gimmicks, no stupid 3D intros with loud obnoxious music and insincere hyperbolic yelling into the camera. We appreciate you Curtis! Thanks for all the great advice.
It's honestly so hard to find good quality reviews that aren't biased (Google search is a perfect example of such awful results) so thank you for these! It's refreshing to hear from someone that's been in the field and is a professional for newbies like us to understand even new information lav mic's components and how and why they work with various attachments! And the more I look at your desk, I'm like is that a bamboo top?! 😅
This is an overview of the lavalier microphones I have used - not meant to be comprehensive and not intentionally leaving out any options. There are just so many microphones I haven't had a chance to use just yet. Many have asked about the Tram TR50. Seems like a great mic, just haven't had a chance to use it. Same with many others. Index: 01:14 What's special about pro-level lavalier microphones 05:39 Sanken COS-11D 08:34 Voice Technologies VT500 10:53 Countryman B6 14:04 DPA 4160 15:51 Shure Twinplex (TL47 & TL48) 21:37 Which is the best? (spoiler - none. Each fit different situations)
hi curtis, my name is cepha, I'm a location sound mixer living in Ghana. i have worked on some couple of documentaries, movies etc.I have been following your TH-cam channel and it's been very helpful. please I need your help in choosing a a replacement lav mic for my sennheiser G3 and a mic for indoor dialogues. I currently use sennheiser mkh 416 p48 and zoom f4 recorder. 1. Between Samson C02 and senal SCI- 3212MP which of these mics will you recommend for indoor dialogues. 2. countryman B3 and senal UTM-86-35H lab mics which of these will you recommend as a good replacement. thank you.
On the theme of lavaliers, i would love to hear your advice on a wireless setup including lavaliers that provides the most reliable signal/quality to record sound on the move outdoor. Lavaliers positionned on cyclists and sound recorded from a car following and shooting. We tested Rode's wireless kit and wireless go, but signal strength and quality have proved unpredictably unreliable. have you experienced products suited for this type of use? distance could vary from 15 to 100m. hopefully you get to see this message.
You may need to move up into the UHF pro or prosumer systems like the Sennheiser G4 or Sony UWPD systems to keep connected in those situations. You're pushing the limits of any of the consumer systems.
I can tell from your attitude that you are a true professional and I appreciate your impressions, and the specifics you went into. As always, use the best tool for the job! I'll definitely be giving your other videos some views. Thanks for making this content.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I received another comment the other day that my videos were good but boring. LOL! I guess that person wants a goofy salesperson to present instead. 🤷♂
Hi again, Curtis. Just bought the Sanken (to use straight into my Tascam DR10L) through the link in the description. I'm pumped, man. Thanks for all of your educational help over the past several years. I really love your channel and I'm happy to see your success.
You brought up a great point about non-actors being uncomfortable getting mic'd up sometimes. Most TH-cam videos showing how to hide mics seem to focus on working with professional actors/actresses who know what to expect, and almost no one has addressed how to work with non-actors. Would be great if you could show us how you approach corporate people (men and women) who aren't always comfortable getting mic'd for a video.
Thanks Alan. Depending on the corporate piece, we sometimes have to punt and use an alligator clip on the outside of the clothing. For women, I often give them instructions on how to attach the mic with an alligator clip or tape to their bra between the cups. This almost always works perfectly because then the clothing does NOT rub against the mic. For men, I usually get the mic ready with a "moleskin" sandwich and then have them place it on their sternum. This is a little trickier and requires repositioning in many cases. Will cover it in more detail in the future.
@@curtisjudd Would be great if you could do one on this. And agreeing with Alan Tutt that there are plenty about working with talent, but few on corporate. Do you use any of the URSA products? Thank you for the articulate videos.
@@srbh41413 Thanks. Yes, but mostly for narrative film work, not so much for corporate. We just let the mic be in picture when we don't have time to hide it. When I do hide the mic for a corporate piece, the time is still usually very limited so I just have the talent clip the transmitter on their belt or waistband and then we hide the mic as described above. More to come.
Curtis, I'm new to the world of video/audio production. My goals include real estate (virtual tours & virtual open houses) as well as TH-cam videos such as yours where I can reach out to my senior and out of state clients. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to make these videos. I wasn't sure if it made sense for me to try to learn about the technology involved, but with your guidance I believe I can do this. Thanks again, Mike
Thanks, Mr. Judd, for your years of helpful videos. I'm in the market for a new professional level lavalier microphone system. Your video is very helpful. If you or one of your viewers/subscribers can point me to one of your videos in which you take time to show the novice/newbie (me!) the most common, effective settings to use when recording educational videos using a wireless lavalier system (with a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K-6K) in an airtight, indoor studio, I would be very appreciative. One of my difficulties in this area is knowing how to use the jargon of this industry to find the resources I need. But, I'll keep looking. Thanks again, Mr. Judd. Jay Creighton
@@curtisjudd: Curtis, I'm using Sony's wireless microphone package UWP-D21. But I've emailed you about this particular issue privately and you answered my questions. Thanks, Curtis. Jay
I like that you touch on the interaction with the people you are mic'ing up. Folks might be so into the tech side of the work that they are not prepared for the human element; the prime impediment I encounter is impatience. Resistance to cooperating with the processes behind setting up sound and other gear comes into it also. They are are paying for you to be there, to give them a good production, but then they want you to stop fussing with the lavalier and body pack and get on with it. Things like that. Sometimes you're running into executives or entrepreneurs who are used to having things their way and don't like you in their space, so it might feel uncomfortable until you're rolling and they can start to do their thing on camera.
I’d love to see a video from you about different ways to mic people up. Especially in tricky situations, but corporate, men, women, sweat, hair, tapes, etc.
I'd love to see some of the narrative projects you work on! The one you showed was a really great example of how you can tell a story with just two characters on a very low budget.
I'd like to show more of them. Over on the Uphill Cinema channel we have several shorts and we have another one in post presently. I also did production sound (not post) on this one: th-cam.com/video/PDcRG_lomEA/w-d-xo.html
I bought a lavalier on Amazon. I didn't want to spend much and when i saw the Slint lapel for only $20 why not give it a try. Im happy with it i use it on my iphone 11 very clear, no echo.
Sanken COS-11D is the most widely used lav for TV and movie production, I think. I've seen a lot of them heavily worn out and dirty in that adhesive tape glue - but still working.
Very nice review ! It was very informative to see kind of best boom mic they would cut more with. Actually in the mixing process we would not only switch from one mic to another but most of the time offset the phase of the lav to match perfectly with sample accuracy the waveform of the boom and add them together to add more clarity. I have had Sanken COS-11D for years and just witched for Sennheiser MKE1 (kind of the same as MKE2), for more clarity and more flexibility to hide.
Many thanks for another excellent review. I am going to get a lavaliere better than the ones I have to use with my iPhone and your review pointed to the solution: Voice Technologies. I've completely forgot about Voice Technologies what was really surprising seeing that I have a VT lavaliere ( an old model with a big battery compartment and XLR end. I can't use it with my iPhone.) and used it many times when I shot wired rather than wireless interviews. But you mentioned a VT mic and 💡! . Why I didn't think about Voice Technologies before even if I had one? Maybe because I didn't use it since the lockdown and because I was obsessed with DPA, which is the mic I really want but it's beyond my budget at the moment. An option would be the Deity Wav Pro with the Picogear transmitter (the new pro version. You can connect the transmitter to a lavaliere mic). The transmitter is so small that it might fit inside a suit /shirt/coat pocket with the mic cable so no need of 'could you please pass the cable under your shirt?" that so many interviewees feel uncomfortable about and rightly so.
Curtis I've watched this video several times as I shop for lavalier microphones. I've come across several used Sanken COS-11D and Voice Technologies VT500 and I love the sound these mics provide. Thank you so much for giving your time and energy to provide such valuable and thorough information to all of us. Consequently, I am having an issue with the Sanken COS-11D and Voice Technologies VT500 though only while using the Rode Wireless Go and RodeLink systems. When the TRS is fully inserted, the mics pick up no sound. If I pull them out slightly - maybe 3mm or so from full insertion - they pickup sound. Given your background, surely you know whats happening here and how I can remedy the situation. I thought maybe it was a phantom power issue (which I still struggle to understand why a PP mic still works with a system that doesn't provide PP) but if PP was the issue then I suppose I would get no pickup at all. "Help me Obiwan Kenobi! You're my only hope!"
It would appear that they're wired for Sennheiser, but strangely, I didn't experience this issue with my Sanken COS-11D and the RODELink. Hmm. You might give Gotham Sound or Trew Audio a call and see what they suggest. Best wishes! Also one note to prevent any potential issues: lavalier microphones should never be used with phantom power (+48V) unless you're using a model with an XLR output which is specifically designed for using phantom power. 99.9% of lavaliers with a 3.5mm TRS output connector require plugin power (3-5V).
What about for live reinforcement applications, such as wedding ceremonies or conference panels? Omni or cardioid? Best sounding/least eq sculpting? What's a good choice?
The MKE2 is a great mic. The one thing I don't like about them is the cable. The cable has a memory. Once it gets kinked, you'll never be able to get it straight ever again. We use a bunch at the TV station I work for and some of the old ones are so kinked it's impossible to wrap the cable neatly when putting them away. The VT500 is also a great sounding mic. Not a big fan of the clips as I've found the mic is more prone to fall off since the mic just slides onto the clip and there's nothing locking the head in place.
Curtis, I am looking for either a lav or shotgun mic to shoot my self-tape auditions. This will be in a small 5'x7' non-soundproofed room so I imagine it needs to be a dynamic mic? My budget is not too big maybe 100-200. I have a zoom F4, But would prefer to feed it straight into my DSLR which has a 3.5 mm port. Thank you!! If that budget is not enough to make a difference versus the built in mic of my Canon RP or even my iPhone 13, then I will just use those. I was on a major tv production recently and I believe they used a Sennheiser MKH 50, but that is a little too pricy.
Thx Curtis, always loud and clear. Just to give some comentarios about, and a Q. What did you use to clean the wire? I have got cables destroy , I mean, cables get broken, dry, the plastic cover in Sanken and Countryman get damage easy. The wire of Voice Technologies are thinner (Kevlar) but they last by far againts the other mention. Sensitivity: I can say that the capsule of Voice Technologie are so good that it became a problem because they are to sensitive to clothe and body moisture specially in shoots done in summer or in the jungle. They really match with a Shootgun. Countryman work good in those situations. I appreciate very much your advice, and I understand that this video was concern to other subjets. best regards Mario Rivas Sound Location Mixer Peru
Hi Mario. To clean the cables, I use wipes called Uni Solve. I bought them at Amazon: geni.us/lmv8X0 Full disclosure - this is an affiliate link and I earn from qualifying purchases.
Your reviews are terrific, presenting the various devices without the hype. Sadly the hype is what draws attention. Maybe involve a kitten? I dunno, but you deserve 100x the subscribers you have sir. Honesty and objectivity, coupled with solid competent experience and information are rare finds in this attention based economy. I recently had to mic up the president of my organization in my company. Anyone who hasn’t, if they have only worked with actors or amateur players, it’s interesting how these executives want you to make them look and sound good but you only get a fraction of the time you really want to get that done. He was doing this global meeting, 10’s of thousands on the receiving end, I was trying to get the mic placed and hidden but he kept acting like we were done every few seconds. Finally did get the wireless body pack (just my own stuff, sennheiser EWG3) on him and hidden, the mic mounted and hidden, but no time to test, he vanished as I turned my back to get my headphones. Good times. Anyway, thanks for all your reviews and comparisons, excellent resource.
Great comparo. Would also love to see you do one on budget lavs for the passion producers and budding youtubers. I’m sure someone of your stature would have no problem getting a bunch of them sent to you for review
Sorry. I meant to ask for a comparo on budget wireless lav mics. I caught your comparo on budget lav mics and was kinda disappointed at the lack of recommendations but that is the one thing I like about your show. You really don’t make an effort to pimp anyone’s gear and don’t come off as a shill. More power to you and keep up the good work
Thanks. Yes, it is a tough line to walk because many people would like a simple answer - which microphone should I get. Unfortunately, that’s not an easy question to answer because there are so many factors I don’t know about each person who asks that question and there is no perfect microphone or wireless system.
Thanks Alberto! We always try to make the reviews educational. Totally understand that pro level gear isn't for every situation, so at least try to learn why the pros use it.
You are a sound genius. Thanks again. Shopping for the perfect lav. mic. for me for a Sennheiser G3. Thinking Countryman B3 or B6. Have a great day! PS. Also thinking I need to go to the G4 now that it has been out for a while.
I have been looking at several of your videos and found them really helpful. I am trying to work out which type of microphone I should use for long videoconferencing sessions and court cases and mediations (now very commonly done over Zoom etc, so we are speaking for many hours, often over many days for a full trial/hearing) but one that works from several feet away; with the microphone out of the way/not obtrusive (the speaker may be handing lots of files/papers, turning from side to side/ reaching for papers etc), so not the typical podcaster arrangement with the microphone in the face of the speaker. The quality of the sound and the microphone being out of the way (it need not be hidden as such) are the primary issues. It seems, for example, a dynamic microphone is out of the question. So far, the only solution has been a speakerphone but I am hoping a dedicated microphone will produce a better sound (the loudspeaker element is not important). is there the same type of microphone but better standard than on a speakerphone? I have been looking at your videos on the Lavalier microphones and perhaps they offer a solution. many thanks for any thoughts or ideas.
Hi D B, a boom microphone would be my preference. This video demonstrates different types of microphones for live-streaming at a desk: th-cam.com/video/arCe4UNwwYg/w-d-xo.html
Amazing video, which actually captures the further away? Here I am thinking of street interviews or prank videos where you don't want to hold the mic and hand it over to the people
Hey Curtis, As always, great video, very helpful. 1) I'm looking at the Sanken, would it be a good choice while standing in front of an electronic white board? IF not, any recommendations? 2) I'm recording with a Zoom H5 recorder, will the cable connect to the recorder? Will the Zoom H5 cause any problems? Thanks for providing this review.
I was able to AB test the COS11-D against the DPA 4060 and the DPA was so clearly amazing (better) in comparison. Would definitely recommend that one for higher end lavs.
Hey Curtis your videos are a godsend! Thanks for always posting such useful videos. What would you say are the best higher-end lav mics for the Rode Wireless Go II???
So much valuable info, as usual. I see MKE2 "Reduced Sensitivity" versions floating around. 1) what is the appropriate use for this - -can it be used for standard dialogue? 2) as a general concept, why wouldn't you just use a regular sensitivity version and lower the gain, enjoying the increased signal to noise ratio? Did you already do a video about this?
That’s primarily for opera and musicals where the performers generate really high sound pressure levels, more than most wireless packs can handle even at the lowest gain settings with standard sensitivity mics.
Very helpful, thank you. The conclusion is: hire a soundman who has all of them? I have the Cos-11 without the D. Is that very different from the D version?
Wow I didn't know about being any to hear radio frequency interference.... I use a zoom h6 and I was so confused about what I was hearing... Great review thank you!
Hi, thanks for this useful information. Please recommend for a headband microphone mainly use for live singing with band (in front of loud monitors). Thank you.
23'46" well spent. Very informative, very well presented, no waffle, no BS. Many thanks! Would have been nice, though, to see the Sony ECM-77b (that staple of newsgathering) included.
Hi Curtis. I have a question. When recording the audio for a standard outdoor corporate interview (interviewee being interviewed by someone standing just to the side, behind the camera) what do you instinctively use for recording audio. Assuming it's a bit windy but not particularly strong and you can't get much shelter. I assume ideally you would set up a shotgun mic with dead cat boomed overhead, just out of frame, on a well sandbagged c-stand but I'm focussing on if you only have a lav mic. Which of these options would you focus on? 1. Attach the lav mic to the outside of, say, the person's suit, clearly visible (assuming here the client doesn't mind it being visible) and put the relevant furry wind muff on the lav (we have a Bubblebee one for our MKE-2 lav). 2. Attach the lav so it's behind a bit of clothing so it's hidden from the worst of the wind, e.g. just behind the lapel of a suit or behind a tie or scarf (potential issue of rustling) 3. Get the lav properly taped and attached to the interviewee's chest with the required fur etc, to try to reduce rustling.
It depends on the production. If we have to move fast, I put a fur on the Lav and attach it to the lapel or shirt. If I have more time, I prefer to hide it under the shirt.
Thanks for this and all of your videos-love the objective, non-sensationalized overview. I have a couple of questions as a newbie, having scoured most of your videos: 1) can you use/do you recommend using two different brands of lav mic’s in the same shoot-ex. An interview between two people? Or 2 different actors? Does it require a lot of post production EQ to use different types of mic’s? 2) in watching your videos I am thinking about picking up a DPA 4060 for me (interviewer) and a cos 11 for an interviewee or is it better to buy a set of two of the same for my purposes, using a Rode Go wireless ii. Thanks for the vids-they really are so informative.
Hi Shane, yes, I regularly use different lav mics for the same shoot. What I generally try to do is choose the mic which will suit a particular person’s voice best. So if someone has a rather “thin” voice without a lot of bass response and I want a bit more, I might use the Countryman B6 on them. For those with a lot of bass, I would opt instead for a DPA 4160, etc. Your plan sounds good - a DPA and Sanken should work nicely. Best wishes and happy recording!
@@curtisjudd Hi Chris, just wanted to circle back on this conversation and say a heartfelt thanks. I went with the sanken which i really like, and also the countryman which for my voice is my favourite. Both are great IMO just a matter of which sounds best on the individual. I also wanted to tell you how much I appreciate the tone and tenor (metaphorically speaking) of your videos, the are calm and cogent, objective and evidence based.
I'm looking for an excellent travelling mic for business conferences. Wired. Lavalier. What top 2-3 would you recommend? Would love advice! Price being no issue.
Thanks for that. It was especially helpful when you paired the lavs (eg.MKE2) with a typical shotgun to cut to (416) and treated them as a "matched" pair but I don't understand why there should be such variation in the general sound of these lavs, having tested some of them myself. I found the Cos 11 overly bright, so what overhead would match that? The MKE2 I tried had crazy cable noise. I appreciate your even handedness generally but a recommendation beyond saying that they are all good for different purposes, would be very helpful. It would be great if you could use your expertise and experience to address the likely question that most of us have, as filmmakers rather than sound recordists. If you had to pick one, with a recommended overhead, what would it be. Thanks so much for all your work.
Thanks for the feedback Ken. I agree, that would have made a more useful video. As noted the Sanken CS3e cuts nicely with the COS-11D. I believe I also called out cutting preferences with the others as well. I am sorry that I could not share more - my experience is limited to the microphones I have used but I'll keep sharing more as I learn more.
Hey thanks so much for your reply. For sure manufacturers often match their sounds and thanks for calling that out but there seems to be so much needless variation between models and brands. I never really understand why neutrality and accuracy aren't paramount so that mics match more widely across brands and we just pay for build quality. I have a similar issue with headphones but I guess manufacturers feel that variation = USP and there are always niches of differentiation. What would be super useful would be to know what is used professionally, by use cases like your hobbit reference to give some in work context. TV News broadcast v film v corporate v doc. Regardless thank you so much for all your work. It's always done with such an amazingly thoughtful tone and care. Best K
I definitely need some decent lavs which I don't have yet. I like the twinplex but trying to hold out to see if those new deity lavs are going to come out soon and compete with these. Luckily I have time before I need a set of lavs to purchase 😟
this is so cool... sandly cant afford them... my assistant lost my sony clip on cable , and I cant find an original where I live... also b&H doesn't have it
Can one use the Sanken or something like the Sennheiser ME 2 with the DJI wireless mic? Sorry for the noob question, but I'm not sure how it works with power/compatibility. Thanks for your great videos!!
Yes, but...the consumer wireless systems like the DJI supply a bit less voltage than most pro level microphones are specified for. I did try the Sanken with the DJI and it worked, but I cannot say whether that will reduce the life of the Sanken (it is my understanding that undervolting electronic equipment can affect its performance and possibly its life.)
3 questions 1. if I like the sound that comes out from Shure sm7b, which of these lavalier mics is the closest to that? 2. Also I would like to connect it with DjI wireless mic, which one I can use for that? Or do I need to get a specific connector for this type of use? 3. By using these lavalier mics with a type of wireless mics like the one from DJI, will it decrees the quality of these high end lavalier mics in this video review? if yes, what lavalier mic would you be recommending to pair with DJI? Thank you very much!
1) I have never heard a lavalier microphone which sounds like the Shure SM7B. But if you want a bit more bass, I'd look at the Countryman B6 and mount it on the chest of the person speaking. 2) I haven't used the DJI wireless system, but I assume it has a 3.5mm TRS input. So you'd need to buy one of these wired for 3.5mm TRS. 3) Possibly, I haven't tested the input on the DJI wireless system.
@@khoonchaii-businessonlines5467 Yes, when you buy it, you purchase the version with the connector you need. I bought the B6 with a microdot connector and then bought a microdot to locking 3.5mm TRS plug.
Curtis, my EST and your MST have made me miss calculate my viewing times... I’m petty sure by watching and watching this video you are a fan of this Deity WLAVPROD5. It gets me the Deity Microdot Mic and a Microdot Compatable plug for my body pack. Your thoughts?
Great video! Do you notice a lot of handling noise with the countryman b6? I recently tried to use mine in a podcast situation with high end in ear monitors on and couldn't stand the noise that came from any slight movement.
May be a dumb question Curtis, but I can't seem to get a straight answer from the people I purchased it from. I bought the TL47 after watching this video, and I purchased the TL47 with the XLR connector. With the XLR connector, it requires 48v phantom power. If you are using the T4AF or a LEMO or microdot connection, can you adapt it to a wireless system like the Sennheiser G3/4 where the bodypacks don't have phantom power options, unless you buy the large phantom power pack. I would really appreciate some input.
The XLR version down converts the voltage to the roughly 5V that it needs. The other versions do not, they just take the 3-5V fed to them. This is my understanding.
Hi JT, my regular studio space is in an unheated basement and it is dead of winter. So I used this warmer space instead. Will switch back to the regular space as it warms up. 😀
Interesting, thanks for sharing. once I got my DPA 4060s, it's the mic I am reaching for in 95% of the cases. I have a Tram that gets used when the front facing capsule is a bonus and a ME2 as backup. But instead of getting options, I went ahead and have got myself 7 4060s and one 4061 that I could source second hand, so that multiple channels have a similair sound.
Hey Curtis, Can you do an update on budget Lav mics please. Some of the Lavs from your budget video are not available anymore. Love your videos. Keep up the good work!
@@curtisjudd I was looking for the Aputure A.lav EZ mic but it seems to be discontinued or unavailable. I really liked the sound it produced. I usually record using an H1n.
@@Benji_Enji Ah, ok, Aputure spun off their microphone business to DEITY Microphones and replaced that mic with the Aputure V.Lav. We reviewed it here: th-cam.com/video/-_nPN_9n3Kg/w-d-xo.html
Usually I don't ask channels for direct help or advice but I have a question. I am planning a rather complex channel idea where I will always be in a full body costume, a horror themed costume, so essentially a monster costume. I am completely building it myself in a professional manner, and the head will be one big skull (non human shaped skull, kind of like a mix of a wolf and trex skull) with slightly agape mouth, and since my voice might not come out as clearly because the mask pieces are obstructing a bit the sound of my voice isn't probably the best in case of normal microphone use, so I had the idea to possibly integrate a Lavalier microphone on the inside of the costume's mouth area (to be more specific it'll be within the roof of the monster mouth, i'll cut a hole for the mic there), this way the microphone would be directly in front of my mouth at all times and I could move however I wanted without issue of sound quality. I have space within the mask/head to hide even a bigger lavalier microphone so I don't need a super small one. I do not have experiences with Lavalier microphones yet, do you have any sort of advice for my plan?
I would start with an omni-directional lavalier (99% of lavs are omni) and test, test, test in terms of placement. You probably don't want it right in front of your mouth where puffs of air will enter the capsule, but off to the side so that you can avoid that distortion.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the advice. Until the costume is fully made will still take a good while, once I get that far and have tested I will update you for I'm sure that'd be interesting for you to read of because why not.
Thank you again for your great content! What lav mic would you recommend to help reduce background noise when shooting outdoors (planes, lawnmowers, cars, etc)? I am using the Rode Wireless 2, and/or Tascam recorder. The dialogue is good, but I pick up a lot of noise and I use Izotope to try and remove sound. Thank you for those videos as well - they're excellent!
From news and sports to docs and corporate, Tram mics and Lectrosonic wireless are the pro standard. Much of the newer gear I've seen reviewed is not considered professional and field producers would question the ability of the sound person that shows up with it. I've seen ads for sound recordist that specifically state no Sennheiser wireless users need apply. For freelancers doing national and international work, this is a very make and model specific occupation. For those producing their own productions, gear may be less specific. When I use to freelance sound (mainly do DP work now), a field producer (after being burnt on their last job) would drill me about sound. I found throwing a bunch of technical jargon at them made them go away. Even not having a Porta Brace case could give them pause back in the day. Never mind they usually couldn't tell you what was inside, but they knew the brand and that's what other crews they worked with used. Cheers
@@scott5747 Thanks Scott. Understood. I think many mixers have moved on to other lavalieres. Many are working with the DPAs and many still also use the Sanken, but I haven't heard nearly as much about the Trams in the last 5 years or so. I'm not saying they're not good microphones, but it seems that many mixers today are choosing other options.
I know you don't like to recommend the *best*. If I'm going to invest in my first sound gear, would you recommend a cheaper recorder/transmitter and add on the mic or go mid on both? Corporate one-man-band senarios
The mic seems to make the biggest difference in terms of sound quality and if you're working at close range in most cases, a prosumer wireless kit can get the job done.
Hi Curtis! If it was a situation where 'hiding the lav mic' wasn't an issue, what would you choose of these three? I'm torn between the DPA 4061, the Shure TwinPlex TL-47 and the Deity LavPro. I think I can scratch out the Sanken because it's a bit too bright for my tastes. But I really like the natural sound of the 4060/4061 but I also know that the Twinplex T47 is one of your favorites. But I also have seen comparisons of the Deity LavPro and it's pretty impressive from what I hear. If hiding the mic wasn't an issue what would you choose between the three? The problem with the DPA 4061 is that it's not easy to test it either since most of them do not offer free returns. But overall what would you choose between the 3? :P
I'd choose the Shure Twinplex, but that's a personal preference, If you like the DPA, I'd go for it. I haven't heard any production sound mixers say, "Gosh, this DPA just sounds awful..."
@@curtisjudd Thank you so much Curtis! Thank you so much for the input! Yeah now you really really got me interested in that Shure. I gotta do some tests! Thank you once again! :D
Amazing as always! Question - I noticed you didn't talk about the RM-11 accesory on the Sanken. How does that compared to a Bubblebee Lav Concealer? Thanks!
Great video and very helpful. What's your recommendation between the Sanken COS and the Sennheiser MKE 2? I don't know if Sanken has the filters the Sennheiser has. I nearly always hide the law under clothing. For boom I have an old Sennheiser MKH (a 3-position switch, not push buttons) but am buying the Oktava 012 for the amazing cardioid options and sound. Thank you, sir!
Hi Todd, good question - I'm not sure there's a clear answer. But since you work with one of the MKH microphones, the MKE-2 is probably a better fit since its voicing is similar. Best wishes!
Hi, thanks for this. Are you able to offer a 2022 recommendation for an alround Lavalier microphone? Main use requirements; singing and acoustic instruments.
I’ve been using the Sennheiser ME2 ii and have actually been really happy with the sound. We mostly use a shotgun mic when I’m filming with a team, but for my own smaller projects it’s worked really nicely. Only down side is the big head! Very hard to hide so will probably upgrade eventually
Hi Curtis, Great video! I had a question, have you heard the difference between the 4060 legacy and CORE series side by side? If you have do you know if there is any difference when it comes to voice over work? Let me know what you can, as I cannot find ANY video reviews on this. Thank you.
Hi Curtis, just want to say you're the man and you are an extremely underrated youtuber. You're the mature persons youtuber. There's no flashy gimmicks, no stupid 3D intros with loud obnoxious music and insincere hyperbolic yelling into the camera. We appreciate you Curtis! Thanks for all the great advice.
Thank you 🙏
I agree with this comment 🙏🏻
You sound a bit homosexual if you ask me
I was JUST looking at new lavalier's so big thanks for this video. I've bought a lot of my equipment based on your assessments
I hope this helps. Best wishes!
But did you use the affiliate link? 😁🤑
Which mic did you bought
Eyyyy, its Rippa!
@@youngrippa59 Curtis is the best.
It's honestly so hard to find good quality reviews that aren't biased (Google search is a perfect example of such awful results) so thank you for these! It's refreshing to hear from someone that's been in the field and is a professional for newbies like us to understand even new information lav mic's components and how and why they work with various attachments! And the more I look at your desk, I'm like is that a bamboo top?! 😅
Thanks Nek0.
It is bamboo.
This is an overview of the lavalier microphones I have used - not meant to be comprehensive and not intentionally leaving out any options. There are just so many microphones I haven't had a chance to use just yet. Many have asked about the Tram TR50. Seems like a great mic, just haven't had a chance to use it. Same with many others. Index:
01:14 What's special about pro-level lavalier microphones
05:39 Sanken COS-11D
08:34 Voice Technologies VT500
10:53 Countryman B6
14:04 DPA 4160
15:51 Shure Twinplex (TL47 & TL48)
21:37 Which is the best? (spoiler - none. Each fit different situations)
hi curtis, my name is cepha, I'm a location sound mixer living in Ghana. i have worked on some couple of documentaries, movies etc.I have been following your TH-cam channel and it's been very helpful. please I need your help in choosing a a replacement lav mic for my sennheiser G3 and a mic for indoor dialogues. I currently use sennheiser mkh 416 p48 and zoom f4 recorder.
1. Between Samson C02 and senal SCI- 3212MP which of these mics will you recommend for indoor dialogues.
2. countryman B3 and senal UTM-86-35H lab mics which of these will you recommend as a good replacement. thank you.
On the theme of lavaliers, i would love to hear your advice on a wireless setup including lavaliers that provides the most reliable signal/quality to record sound on the move outdoor. Lavaliers positionned on cyclists and sound recorded from a car following and shooting. We tested Rode's wireless kit and wireless go, but signal strength and quality have proved unpredictably unreliable. have you experienced products suited for this type of use? distance could vary from 15 to 100m. hopefully you get to see this message.
Hi Cepha, I haven't used the Senal microphones yet, but when I do, I'll have a review of them here. Sorry I couldn't help more and best wishes!
You may need to move up into the UHF pro or prosumer systems like the Sennheiser G4 or Sony UWPD systems to keep connected in those situations. You're pushing the limits of any of the consumer systems.
Dpa 4061, you should try it too
I can tell from your attitude that you are a true professional and I appreciate your impressions, and the specifics you went into. As always, use the best tool for the job! I'll definitely be giving your other videos some views. Thanks for making this content.
Thanks fakecubed!
Very professional, it's refreshing that you have a no-nonse/no-blabla approach.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I received another comment the other day that my videos were good but boring. LOL! I guess that person wants a goofy salesperson
to present instead. 🤷♂
Hi again, Curtis. Just bought the Sanken (to use straight into my Tascam DR10L) through the link in the description. I'm pumped, man. Thanks for all of your educational help over the past several years. I really love your channel and I'm happy to see your success.
Thanks Alex. I hope it works well for you!
Best video i have seen on that topic so far, i love the technical insights.
Thanks!
BEEN WAITING DECADES FOR THIS FROM YOU!
Glad we finally delivered!
You brought up a great point about non-actors being uncomfortable getting mic'd up sometimes. Most TH-cam videos showing how to hide mics seem to focus on working with professional actors/actresses who know what to expect, and almost no one has addressed how to work with non-actors. Would be great if you could show us how you approach corporate people (men and women) who aren't always comfortable getting mic'd for a video.
Thanks Alan. Depending on the corporate piece, we sometimes have to punt and use an alligator clip on the outside of the clothing. For women, I often give them instructions on how to attach the mic with an alligator clip or tape to their bra between the cups. This almost always works perfectly because then the clothing does NOT rub against the mic. For men, I usually get the mic ready with a "moleskin" sandwich and then have them place it on their sternum. This is a little trickier and requires repositioning in many cases. Will cover it in more detail in the future.
@@curtisjudd Would be great if you could do one on this. And agreeing with Alan Tutt that there are plenty about working with talent, but few on corporate. Do you use any of the URSA products? Thank you for the articulate videos.
@@srbh41413 Thanks. Yes, but mostly for narrative film work, not so much for corporate. We just let the mic be in picture when we don't have time to hide it. When I do hide the mic for a corporate piece, the time is still usually very limited so I just have the talent clip the transmitter on their belt or waistband and then we hide the mic as described above. More to come.
@@curtisjudd will be interesting to see especially with Covid-19 issues to deal with
@@doubledark2 Agreed. My thinking is that initially, I'll be sticking to boom mics exclusively.
Curtis, I'm new to the world of video/audio production. My goals include real estate (virtual tours & virtual open houses) as well as TH-cam videos such as yours where I can reach out to my senior and out of state clients. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to make these videos. I wasn't sure if it made sense for me to try to learn about the technology involved, but with your guidance I believe I can do this.
Thanks again,
Mike
Hi Mike, Thanks so much for the feedback and best wishes on your recordings!
Thanks, Mr. Judd, for your years of helpful videos. I'm in the market for a new professional level lavalier microphone system. Your video is very helpful. If you or one of your viewers/subscribers can point me to one of your videos in which you take time to show the novice/newbie (me!) the most common, effective settings to use when recording educational videos using a wireless lavalier system (with a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K-6K) in an airtight, indoor studio, I would be very appreciative. One of my difficulties in this area is knowing how to use the jargon of this industry to find the resources I need. But, I'll keep looking. Thanks again, Mr. Judd. Jay Creighton
Hi Jay. Which wireless system are you using?
@@curtisjudd: Curtis, I'm using Sony's wireless microphone package UWP-D21. But I've emailed you about this particular issue privately and you answered my questions. Thanks, Curtis. Jay
Very nice overview!
Thanks for checking it out!
Sony's ECM-77B has been around for decades, and I'm still using those in 2020.
That's great news!
My favorite!
An all-in-one resource. You rock, Curtis!
14:35 Oh, that is very sly. Nice! :D
Thanks huyked!
I like that you touch on the interaction with the people you are mic'ing up. Folks might be so into the tech side of the work that they are not prepared for the human element; the prime impediment I encounter is impatience. Resistance to cooperating with the processes behind setting up sound and other gear comes into it also.
They are are paying for you to be there, to give them a good production, but then they want you to stop fussing with the lavalier and body pack and get on with it. Things like that. Sometimes you're running into executives or entrepreneurs who are used to having things their way and don't like you in their space, so it might feel uncomfortable until you're rolling and they can start to do their thing on camera.
Agreed - there is a huge human element to being effective at production sound.
watching in Jan 2024. Do these reviews still count or are the new Lavaliere kids on the block?
There are the newer DEITY W.Lav models which are decent. th-cam.com/video/4-kM_xN5sPA/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
As usual, great tutorial video Curtis.
Thanks Peter.
I’d love to see a video from you about different ways to mic people up. Especially in tricky situations, but corporate, men, women, sweat, hair, tapes, etc.
Here's one: th-cam.com/video/RxcQz4VFGXA/w-d-xo.html We had some issues with the connection, but the content from Simon is good.
I'd love to see some of the narrative projects you work on! The one you showed was a really great example of how you can tell a story with just two characters on a very low budget.
I'd like to show more of them. Over on the Uphill Cinema channel we have several shorts and we have another one in post presently. I also did production sound (not post) on this one: th-cam.com/video/PDcRG_lomEA/w-d-xo.html
Whats the link to that vid?
I bought a lavalier on Amazon. I didn't want to spend much and when i saw the Slint lapel for only $20 why not give it a try. Im happy with it i use it on my iphone 11 very clear, no echo.
Good!
I have literally been waiting on a video like this! Thanks a lot, Curtis!
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Great work on 'The Army Nurse'. I've worked with Mary Hall. Small world!
Thanks Nyk - Small world, indeed!
Great Review! That‘s a massiv help and saves a lot of time!
Thank you Curtes!
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wildly helpful video, thank you!
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Sanken COS-11D is the most widely used lav for TV and movie production, I think. I've seen a lot of them heavily worn out and dirty in that adhesive tape glue - but still working.
Yes, they're little tanks.
Very nice review ! It was very informative to see kind of best boom mic they would cut more with. Actually in the mixing process we would not only switch from one mic to another but most of the time offset the phase of the lav to match perfectly with sample accuracy the waveform of the boom and add them together to add more clarity. I have had Sanken COS-11D for years and just witched for Sennheiser MKE1 (kind of the same as MKE2), for more clarity and more flexibility to hide.
Thanks Benoit!
Another great one Curtis. Always love the amount of detail that goes in to your videos. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks Griffin! I've got your C500 review in my watch later list. Can't wait to check it out.
Curtis Judd awesome glad to hear that. Thank you Curtis!
Hi Curtis, Thanks so much for your insights.
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Many thanks for another excellent review. I am going to get a lavaliere better than the ones I have to use with my iPhone and your review pointed to the solution: Voice Technologies. I've completely forgot about Voice Technologies what was really surprising seeing that I have a VT lavaliere ( an old model with a big battery compartment and XLR end. I can't use it with my iPhone.) and used it many times when I shot wired rather than wireless interviews. But you mentioned a VT mic and 💡! .
Why I didn't think about Voice Technologies before even if I had one? Maybe because I didn't use it since the lockdown and because I was obsessed with DPA, which is the mic I really want but it's beyond my budget at the moment. An option would be the Deity Wav Pro with the Picogear transmitter (the new pro version. You can connect the transmitter to a lavaliere mic). The transmitter is so small that it might fit inside a suit /shirt/coat pocket with the mic cable so no need of 'could you please pass the cable under your shirt?" that so many interviewees feel uncomfortable about and rightly so.
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very informative, something I never thought about before watching your vlog. Thanks !
Thank you Lung Wai.
I have 2 Sennheiser MKE2's and couldn't be happier.
They are classics for good reason.
Curtis I've watched this video several times as I shop for lavalier microphones. I've come across several used Sanken COS-11D and Voice Technologies VT500 and I love the sound these mics provide. Thank you so much for giving your time and energy to provide such valuable and thorough information to all of us. Consequently, I am having an issue with the Sanken COS-11D and Voice Technologies VT500 though only while using the Rode Wireless Go and RodeLink systems. When the TRS is fully inserted, the mics pick up no sound. If I pull them out slightly - maybe 3mm or so from full insertion - they pickup sound. Given your background, surely you know whats happening here and how I can remedy the situation. I thought maybe it was a phantom power issue (which I still struggle to understand why a PP mic still works with a system that doesn't provide PP) but if PP was the issue then I suppose I would get no pickup at all. "Help me Obiwan Kenobi! You're my only hope!"
It would appear that they're wired for Sennheiser, but strangely, I didn't experience this issue with my Sanken COS-11D and the RODELink. Hmm. You might give Gotham Sound or Trew Audio a call and see what they suggest. Best wishes!
Also one note to prevent any potential issues: lavalier microphones should never be used with phantom power (+48V) unless you're using a model with an XLR output which is specifically designed for using phantom power. 99.9% of lavaliers with a 3.5mm TRS output connector require plugin power (3-5V).
@@curtisjudd Very helpful Curtis. Thanks again for all you do.
Great review Curtis. I'm on a huge learning curve made ultra easy by your reviews :)
Thanks K!
What about for live reinforcement applications, such as wedding ceremonies or conference panels? Omni or cardioid? Best sounding/least eq sculpting? What's a good choice?
Phenomenal video! Thank you so much!
Thanks so much, May.
The MKE2 is a great mic. The one thing I don't like about them is the cable. The cable has a memory. Once it gets kinked, you'll never be able to get it straight ever again. We use a bunch at the TV station I work for and some of the old ones are so kinked it's impossible to wrap the cable neatly when putting them away.
The VT500 is also a great sounding mic. Not a big fan of the clips as I've found the mic is more prone to fall off since the mic just slides onto the clip and there's nothing locking the head in place.
Thanks for sharing your experience with them!
Very helpful. Going to get the Shure TL47
I hope it works well for you!
was just looking at upgrading my documentary sound kit, awesome stuff brother. Cheers. Ras
Thanks Ras!
Thanks for this! Very helpful!
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Curtis, I am looking for either a lav or shotgun mic to shoot my self-tape auditions. This will be in a small 5'x7' non-soundproofed room so I imagine it needs to be a dynamic mic? My budget is not too big maybe 100-200. I have a zoom F4, But would prefer to feed it straight into my DSLR which has a 3.5 mm port. Thank you!!
If that budget is not enough to make a difference versus the built in mic of my Canon RP or even my iPhone 13, then I will just use those.
I was on a major tv production recently and I believe they used a Sennheiser MKH 50, but that is a little too pricy.
Perhaps try the DEITY D3?
Thx Curtis, always loud and clear.
Just to give some comentarios about, and a Q.
What did you use to clean the wire?
I have got cables destroy , I mean, cables get broken, dry, the plastic cover in Sanken and Countryman get damage easy.
The wire of Voice Technologies are thinner (Kevlar) but they last by far againts the other mention.
Sensitivity:
I can say that the capsule of Voice Technologie are so good that it became a problem because they are to sensitive to clothe and body moisture specially in shoots done in summer or in the jungle. They really match with a Shootgun.
Countryman work good in those situations.
I appreciate very much your advice, and I understand that this video was concern to other subjets.
best regards
Mario Rivas
Sound Location Mixer
Peru
Hi Mario. To clean the cables, I use wipes called Uni Solve. I bought them at Amazon: geni.us/lmv8X0 Full disclosure - this is an affiliate link and I earn from qualifying purchases.
Watching Allen's review on the Deity W.Lav Pro I'm impressed with the sound quality. I currently love my DPA 4060 lav.
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Man!!!! Thanks for this video!! Helps me a lot!
👍 You're most welcome!
Excellent review thank you 🙏🏻
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I own the Sanken COS-11D. It's incredible. Got the boom mic richness on a lav
It’s a good one!
Your reviews are terrific, presenting the various devices without the hype. Sadly the hype is what draws attention. Maybe involve a kitten? I dunno, but you deserve 100x the subscribers you have sir. Honesty and objectivity, coupled with solid competent experience and information are rare finds in this attention based economy. I recently had to mic up the president of my organization in my company. Anyone who hasn’t, if they have only worked with actors or amateur players, it’s interesting how these executives want you to make them look and sound good but you only get a fraction of the time you really want to get that done. He was doing this global meeting, 10’s of thousands on the receiving end, I was trying to get the mic placed and hidden but he kept acting like we were done every few seconds. Finally did get the wireless body pack (just my own stuff, sennheiser EWG3) on him and hidden, the mic mounted and hidden, but no time to test, he vanished as I turned my back to get my headphones. Good times.
Anyway, thanks for all your reviews and comparisons, excellent resource.
Oh yes - classic scenario for those in the corporate space!
@CurtisJudd This is an excellent overview of these lavs. Love seeing the comparisons. Great work. Thank you.
Thanks Leo.
Great comparo. Would also love to see you do one on budget lavs for the passion producers and budding youtubers. I’m sure someone of your stature would have no problem getting a bunch of them sent to you for review
Sorry. I meant to ask for a comparo on budget wireless lav mics. I caught your comparo on budget lav mics and was kinda disappointed at the lack of recommendations but that is the one thing I like about your show. You really don’t make an effort to pimp anyone’s gear and don’t come off as a shill. More power to you and keep up the good work
Thanks. Yes, it is a tough line to walk because many people would like a simple answer - which microphone should I get. Unfortunately, that’s not an easy question to answer because there are so many factors I don’t know about each person who asks that question and there is no perfect microphone or wireless system.
Here's the thing. I use a Purple Panda lol and don't need a pro lav. However, this was most educational and entertaining. Thank you!
Thanks Alberto! We always try to make the reviews educational. Totally understand that pro level gear isn't for every situation, so at least try to learn why the pros use it.
I also have the Purple Panda, which is great for Zoom meetings. A big improvement over the stock Apple Mac Book Pro microphone
You are a sound genius. Thanks again. Shopping for the perfect lav. mic. for me for a Sennheiser G3. Thinking Countryman B3 or B6. Have a great day! PS. Also thinking I need to go to the G4 now that it has been out for a while.
If the G3 kit is still working, I’d stick with it.
@@curtisjudd Thank you, Curtis. You are the best!
I have been looking at several of your videos and found them really helpful. I am trying to work out which type of microphone I should use for long videoconferencing sessions and court cases and mediations (now very commonly done over Zoom etc, so we are speaking for many hours, often over many days for a full trial/hearing) but one that works from several feet away; with the microphone out of the way/not obtrusive (the speaker may be handing lots of files/papers, turning from side to side/ reaching for papers etc), so not the typical podcaster arrangement with the microphone in the face of the speaker. The quality of the sound and the microphone being out of the way (it need not be hidden as such) are the primary issues. It seems, for example, a dynamic microphone is out of the question. So far, the only solution has been a speakerphone but I am hoping a dedicated microphone will produce a better sound (the loudspeaker element is not important). is there the same type of microphone but better standard than on a speakerphone? I have been looking at your videos on the Lavalier microphones and perhaps they offer a solution. many thanks for any thoughts or ideas.
Hi D B, a boom microphone would be my preference. This video demonstrates different types of microphones for live-streaming at a desk: th-cam.com/video/arCe4UNwwYg/w-d-xo.html
Amazing video, which actually captures the further away? Here I am thinking of street interviews or prank videos where you don't want to hold the mic and hand it over to the people
They’re all about the same. Laws of physics apply.
Hey Curtis, As always, great video, very helpful. 1) I'm looking at the Sanken, would it be a good choice while standing in front of an electronic white board? IF not, any recommendations? 2) I'm recording with a Zoom H5 recorder, will the cable connect to the recorder? Will the Zoom H5 cause any problems? Thanks for providing this review.
Hi Alison, It should work, yes. I haven't specifically tested the COS-11D with the H5, but the XLR version of the COS-11D should certainly work.
I was able to AB test the COS11-D against the DPA 4060 and the DPA was so clearly amazing (better) in comparison. Would definitely recommend that one for higher end lavs.
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Hey Curtis your videos are a godsend! Thanks for always posting such useful videos. What would you say are the best higher-end lav mics for the Rode Wireless Go II???
My preference is for the Shure Twinplex TL-48
So much valuable info, as usual. I see MKE2 "Reduced Sensitivity" versions floating around. 1) what is the appropriate use for this - -can it be used for standard dialogue? 2) as a general concept, why wouldn't you just use a regular sensitivity version and lower the gain, enjoying the increased signal to noise ratio? Did you already do a video about this?
That’s primarily for opera and musicals where the performers generate really high sound pressure levels, more than most wireless packs can handle even at the lowest gain settings with standard sensitivity mics.
@@curtisjudd thanks for knowing all the things and sharing it.
Another excellent video. Really interesting - thanks very much.
Thanks Patrick.
u god of microphones! u knowledge is awesome! THANK YOU! SIR!
Thanks Alexander!
Very helpful, thank you. The conclusion is: hire a soundman who has all of them? I have the Cos-11 without the D. Is that very different from the D version?
Ha! Yes, hire a sound mixer! I don't know the difference between the D and non D versions.
The shure twin plex was used to film the reunion of Family Matters.
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Great video as always! The tinted glasses are very cool btw :D
Thanks Nabil.
Wow I didn't know about being any to hear radio frequency interference.... I use a zoom h6 and I was so confused about what I was hearing... Great review thank you!
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Where can I find the best lavalier mics like the DPA 4160? And Great Video!!!
Links in the description.
Hi, thanks for this useful information. Please recommend for a headband microphone mainly use for live singing with band (in front of loud monitors).
Thank you.
Earthworks SR117?
23'46" well spent. Very informative, very well presented, no waffle, no BS. Many thanks! Would have been nice, though, to see the Sony ECM-77b (that staple of newsgathering) included.
Thanks John. Just as soon as I have an opportunity to use it, will include in a future update.
Another great useful video.
Thanks Mad Scientist Prospecting!
Love you Sir. You make me a better man.
Thanks Dr Russell
Hi Curtis. I have a question. When recording the audio for a standard outdoor corporate interview (interviewee being interviewed by someone standing just to the side, behind the camera) what do you instinctively use for recording audio. Assuming it's a bit windy but not particularly strong and you can't get much shelter. I assume ideally you would set up a shotgun mic with dead cat boomed overhead, just out of frame, on a well sandbagged c-stand but I'm focussing on if you only have a lav mic. Which of these options would you focus on?
1. Attach the lav mic to the outside of, say, the person's suit, clearly visible (assuming here the client doesn't mind it being visible) and put the relevant furry wind muff on the lav (we have a Bubblebee one for our MKE-2 lav).
2. Attach the lav so it's behind a bit of clothing so it's hidden from the worst of the wind, e.g. just behind the lapel of a suit or behind a tie or scarf (potential issue of rustling)
3. Get the lav properly taped and attached to the interviewee's chest with the required fur etc, to try to reduce rustling.
It depends on the production. If we have to move fast, I put a fur on the Lav and attach it to the lapel or shirt. If I have more time, I prefer to hide it under the shirt.
@@curtisjudd sounds about right. Appreciate it Curtis :)
Thanks for this and all of your videos-love the objective, non-sensationalized overview. I have a couple of questions as a newbie, having scoured most of your videos:
1) can you use/do you recommend using two different brands of lav mic’s in the same shoot-ex. An interview between two people? Or 2 different actors? Does it require a lot of post production EQ to use different types of mic’s?
2) in watching your videos I am thinking about picking up a DPA 4060 for me (interviewer) and a cos 11 for an interviewee or is it better to buy a set of two of the same for my purposes, using a Rode Go wireless ii.
Thanks for the vids-they really are so informative.
Hi Shane, yes, I regularly use different lav mics for the same shoot. What I generally try to do is choose the mic which will suit a particular person’s voice best. So if someone has a rather “thin” voice without a lot of bass response and I want a bit more, I might use the Countryman B6 on them. For those with a lot of bass, I would opt instead for a DPA 4160, etc. Your plan sounds good - a DPA and Sanken should work nicely. Best wishes and happy recording!
Thank you so much Curtis. Really appreciate you responding.
@@curtisjudd Hi Chris, just wanted to circle back on this conversation and say a heartfelt thanks. I went with the sanken which i really like, and also the countryman which for my voice is my favourite. Both are great IMO just a matter of which sounds best on the individual. I also wanted to tell you how much I appreciate the tone and tenor (metaphorically speaking) of your videos, the are calm and cogent, objective and evidence based.
love it..... Audio makes so much fun
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I'm looking for an excellent travelling mic for business conferences. Wired. Lavalier.
What top 2-3 would you recommend? Would love advice!
Price being no issue.
Thanks for that. It was especially helpful when you paired the lavs (eg.MKE2) with a typical shotgun to cut to (416) and treated them as a "matched" pair but I don't understand why there should be such variation in the general sound of these lavs, having tested some of them myself. I found the Cos 11 overly bright, so what overhead would match that? The MKE2 I tried had crazy cable noise. I appreciate your even handedness generally but a recommendation beyond saying that they are all good for different purposes, would be very helpful. It would be great if you could use your expertise and experience to address the likely question that most of us have, as filmmakers rather than sound recordists. If you had to pick one, with a recommended overhead, what would it be. Thanks so much for all your work.
Thanks for the feedback Ken. I agree, that would have made a more useful video. As noted the Sanken CS3e cuts nicely with the COS-11D. I believe I also called out cutting preferences with the others as well. I am sorry that I could not share more - my experience is limited to the microphones I have used but I'll keep sharing more as I learn more.
Hey thanks so much for your reply. For sure manufacturers often match their sounds and thanks for calling that out but there seems to be so much needless variation between models and brands. I never really understand why neutrality and accuracy aren't paramount so that mics match more widely across brands and we just pay for build quality. I have a similar issue with headphones but I guess manufacturers feel that variation = USP and there are always niches of differentiation. What would be super useful would be to know what is used professionally, by use cases like your hobbit reference to give some in work context. TV News broadcast v film v corporate v doc. Regardless thank you so much for all your work. It's always done with such an amazingly thoughtful tone and care. Best K
I definitely need some decent lavs which I don't have yet. I like the twinplex but trying to hold out to see if those new deity lavs are going to come out soon and compete with these. Luckily I have time before I need a set of lavs to purchase 😟
I'm looking forward to the DEITY lavs as well.
this is so cool... sandly cant afford them... my assistant lost my sony clip on cable , and I cant find an original where I live... also b&H doesn't have it
I’m sorry.
Can one use the Sanken or something like the Sennheiser ME 2 with the DJI wireless mic? Sorry for the noob question, but I'm not sure how it works with power/compatibility. Thanks for your great videos!!
Yes, but...the consumer wireless systems like the DJI supply a bit less voltage than most pro level microphones are specified for. I did try the Sanken with the DJI and it worked, but I cannot say whether that will reduce the life of the Sanken (it is my understanding that undervolting electronic equipment can affect its performance and possibly its life.)
@@curtisjuddso are these usually 48volt phantom powered?
@@TeddyRumble No, these usually require 3 - 5V plugin or bias power. Many of the consumer wireless kits like those from DJI only supply 2.5V.
Great video Curtis! Of your lavs, which do you prefer for women that have very low voices?
The Shure TL-47 is where I'd start. If that isn't sounding great, I might try the VT500.
Thank you for video. Do you have video about receivers and transmitters?
I have this: th-cam.com/video/ed4o2lzYIfo/w-d-xo.html
3 questions
1. if I like the sound that comes out from Shure sm7b, which of these lavalier mics is the closest to that?
2. Also I would like to connect it with DjI wireless mic, which one I can use for that? Or do I need to get a specific connector for this type of use?
3. By using these lavalier mics with a type of wireless mics like the one from DJI, will it decrees the quality of these high end lavalier mics in this video review? if yes, what lavalier mic would you be recommending to pair with DJI?
Thank you very much!
1) I have never heard a lavalier microphone which sounds like the Shure SM7B. But if you want a bit more bass, I'd look at the Countryman B6 and mount it on the chest of the person speaking.
2) I haven't used the DJI wireless system, but I assume it has a 3.5mm TRS input. So you'd need to buy one of these wired for 3.5mm TRS.
3) Possibly, I haven't tested the input on the DJI wireless system.
@@curtisjudd Is there a connecter for the Countryman B6 to be mounted with DJI Mic which required a 3.5 TRS input?
@@khoonchaii-businessonlines5467 Yes, when you buy it, you purchase the version with the connector you need. I bought the B6 with a microdot connector and then bought a microdot to locking 3.5mm TRS plug.
@@curtisjudd Do you have an affiliate link for these items that I can purchase them with?
@@khoonchaii-businessonlines5467 Yes, all in the description of the video above.
Curtis, my EST and your MST have made me miss calculate my viewing times... I’m petty sure by watching and watching this video you are a fan of this Deity WLAVPROD5. It gets me the Deity Microdot Mic and a Microdot Compatable plug for my body pack. Your thoughts?
Hi Todd, still waiting for my DEITY lavaliers to arrive but I’m pretty excited for them. More to come once I get a chance to work with them a bit.
Great video! Do you notice a lot of handling noise with the countryman b6? I recently tried to use mine in a podcast situation with high end in ear monitors on and couldn't stand the noise that came from any slight movement.
Not more than most lav mics hidden under clothing.
May be a dumb question Curtis, but I can't seem to get a straight answer from the people I purchased it from. I bought the TL47 after watching this video, and I purchased the TL47 with the XLR connector. With the XLR connector, it requires 48v phantom power. If you are using the T4AF or a LEMO or microdot connection, can you adapt it to a wireless system like the Sennheiser G3/4 where the bodypacks don't have phantom power options, unless you buy the large phantom power pack. I would really appreciate some input.
The XLR version down converts the voltage to the roughly 5V that it needs. The other versions do not, they just take the 3-5V fed to them. This is my understanding.
Great video Chris. Wondering why u chose to do a setup where u show ur mic instead of ur usual setup? I actually like seeing the mic on the boom
Hi JT, my regular studio space is in an unheated basement and it is dead of winter. So I used this warmer space instead. Will switch back to the regular space as it warms up. 😀
Interesting, thanks for sharing. once I got my DPA 4060s, it's the mic I am reaching for in 95% of the cases. I have a Tram that gets used when the front facing capsule is a bonus and a ME2 as backup. But instead of getting options, I went ahead and have got myself 7 4060s and one 4061 that I could source second hand, so that multiple channels have a similair sound.
Thanks! The DPA 4060s are a really popular choice in productions work. 👍
Hey Curtis, Can you do an update on budget Lav mics please. Some of the Lavs from your budget video are not available anymore. Love your videos. Keep up the good work!
Which mics are you looking for in such a review? :)
@@curtisjudd I was looking for the Aputure A.lav EZ mic but it seems to be discontinued or unavailable. I really liked the sound it produced. I usually record using an H1n.
@@Benji_Enji Ah, ok, Aputure spun off their microphone business to DEITY Microphones and replaced that mic with the Aputure V.Lav. We reviewed it here: th-cam.com/video/-_nPN_9n3Kg/w-d-xo.html
Usually I don't ask channels for direct help or advice but I have a question. I am planning a rather complex channel idea where I will always be in a full body costume, a horror themed costume, so essentially a monster costume. I am completely building it myself in a professional manner, and the head will be one big skull (non human shaped skull, kind of like a mix of a wolf and trex skull) with slightly agape mouth, and since my voice might not come out as clearly because the mask pieces are obstructing a bit the sound of my voice isn't probably the best in case of normal microphone use, so I had the idea to possibly integrate a Lavalier microphone on the inside of the costume's mouth area (to be more specific it'll be within the roof of the monster mouth, i'll cut a hole for the mic there), this way the microphone would be directly in front of my mouth at all times and I could move however I wanted without issue of sound quality. I have space within the mask/head to hide even a bigger lavalier microphone so I don't need a super small one. I do not have experiences with Lavalier microphones yet, do you have any sort of advice for my plan?
I would start with an omni-directional lavalier (99% of lavs are omni) and test, test, test in terms of placement. You probably don't want it right in front of your mouth where puffs of air will enter the capsule, but off to the side so that you can avoid that distortion.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the advice. Until the costume is fully made will still take a good while, once I get that far and have tested I will update you for I'm sure that'd be interesting for you to read of because why not.
Hi Curtis could you do an update to wireless lav systems?
Yes. :)
Cool! Thank You
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@@curtisjudd Yessir
Thank you again for your great content!
What lav mic would you recommend to help reduce background noise when shooting outdoors (planes, lawnmowers, cars, etc)?
I am using the Rode Wireless 2, and/or Tascam recorder.
The dialogue is good, but I pick up a lot of noise and I use Izotope to try and remove sound.
Thank you for those videos as well - they're excellent!
A headset mic can help if that is an option for what you're shooting. Anything which can get closer to the sound you want - dialogue - will help.
I can't believe you didn't highlight the Tram lav mic which to many is the only one to have if you can't afford several mics.
Haven't had a chance to work with the Trams yet.
From news and sports to docs and corporate, Tram mics and Lectrosonic wireless are the pro standard. Much of the newer gear I've seen reviewed is not considered professional and field producers would question the ability of the sound person that shows up with it. I've seen ads for sound recordist that specifically state no Sennheiser wireless users need apply.
For freelancers doing national and international work, this is a very make and model specific occupation. For those producing their own productions, gear may be less specific.
When I use to freelance sound (mainly do DP work now), a field producer (after being burnt on their last job) would drill me about sound. I found throwing a bunch of technical jargon at them made them go away. Even not having a Porta Brace case could give them pause back in the day. Never mind they usually couldn't tell you what was inside, but they knew the brand and that's what other crews they worked with used.
Cheers
@@scott5747 Thanks Scott. Understood. I think many mixers have moved on to other lavalieres. Many are working with the DPAs and many still also use the Sanken, but I haven't heard nearly as much about the Trams in the last 5 years or so. I'm not saying they're not good microphones, but it seems that many mixers today are choosing other options.
I know you don't like to recommend the *best*. If I'm going to invest in my first sound gear, would you recommend a cheaper recorder/transmitter and add on the mic or go mid on both? Corporate one-man-band senarios
The mic seems to make the biggest difference in terms of sound quality and if you're working at close range in most cases, a prosumer wireless kit can get the job done.
Hi Curtis! If it was a situation where 'hiding the lav mic' wasn't an issue, what would you choose of these three? I'm torn between the DPA 4061, the Shure TwinPlex TL-47 and the Deity LavPro. I think I can scratch out the Sanken because it's a bit too bright for my tastes. But I really like the natural sound of the 4060/4061 but I also know that the Twinplex T47 is one of your favorites. But I also have seen comparisons of the Deity LavPro and it's pretty impressive from what I hear. If hiding the mic wasn't an issue what would you choose between the three? The problem with the DPA 4061 is that it's not easy to test it either since most of them do not offer free returns. But overall what would you choose between the 3? :P
I'd choose the Shure Twinplex, but that's a personal preference, If you like the DPA, I'd go for it. I haven't heard any production sound mixers say, "Gosh, this DPA just sounds awful..."
@@curtisjudd Thank you so much Curtis! Thank you so much for the input! Yeah now you really really got me interested in that Shure. I gotta do some tests! Thank you once again! :D
Amazing as always!
Question - I noticed you didn't talk about the RM-11 accesory on the Sanken. How does that compared to a Bubblebee Lav Concealer? Thanks!
Hi Louis, I haven't used the Bubblebee concealer, but will surely cover that when I do get the chance.
@@curtisjudd Sounds good, thank you!
Hello Curtis. Are you familiar with VT506 capsule? And if you do , do you think it is good enough for micing a talent for films? Thank you in advance
I have used the VT500 and VT500 WA but not the 506.
Thanks again.
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Great video and very helpful. What's your recommendation between the Sanken COS and the Sennheiser MKE 2? I don't know if Sanken has the filters the Sennheiser has. I nearly always hide the law under clothing. For boom I have an old Sennheiser MKH (a 3-position switch, not push buttons) but am buying the Oktava 012 for the amazing cardioid options and sound. Thank you, sir!
Hi Todd, good question - I'm not sure there's a clear answer. But since you work with one of the MKH microphones, the MKE-2 is probably a better fit since its voicing is similar. Best wishes!
Hi, thanks for this. Are you able to offer a 2022 recommendation for an alround Lavalier microphone? Main use requirements; singing and acoustic instruments.
I'd recommend the SHURE Twinplex TL-47 as an all-rounder.
I’ve been using the Sennheiser ME2 ii and have actually been really happy with the sound. We mostly use a shotgun mic when I’m filming with a team, but for my own smaller projects it’s worked really nicely. Only down side is the big head! Very hard to hide so will probably upgrade eventually
It does sound nice on voices without a lot of sibilance.
Hi Curtis, Great video! I had a question, have you heard the difference between the 4060 legacy and CORE series side by side? If you have do you know if there is any difference when it comes to voice over work? Let me know what you can, as I cannot find ANY video reviews on this. Thank you.
I haven’t, unfortunately.