Nice comparison. Here in Budapest big productions tend to use DPA-s. Personally I like the Sanken just a little more, since it's built like a tank. Some actors, talents doesn't give a duck about the mics we put on them, and DPA-s are easier to brake, and the thin cable gets tangled almost every time. I think DPA-s sound more natural, but for my personal kit I bought COS 11-s, and I'm happy with them.
These comparisons are always eye-opening (ear-opening?). I've been using a B6 for awhile, and honestly I'm not a huge fan. I've never had the chance to mount them in hair or on a head, and so I feel their small size advantage is wasted when I have to bulk them up with mounts under clothing anyway. For that reason, I've really eyed a COS-11.However now I'm leaning more to the 4060, since I feel it sounds much more clearer and natural. But perhaps you can run another test in a noisier environment to see how they fare there :)But my goodness; after listening to the two lavs, I went back to the beginning to listen to your 8040 - such a nice sounding signal. Really emphasizes how there's nothing quite like a boom.
Thanks to you, and Curtis Judd, I am coming up to speed very quickly. What I have learned is that the mics themselves are more important than the entire unit, and that it may be necessary to have a broader mic selection for one’s transmitters than simply the one that came with the kit. The Sanken does sound brighter to me. I agree with you that, if I were using a typical mount placement, the DPA would sound better. However, if it is necessary to hide the mic among clothing, hats, or hairdos, then the COS-11 would probably fare better because of the coloration. Thank you for the very practical demonstration. You are quite helpful!
We tried out the DPA mics first before we ended up getting the Sankens. The cost was just a little too much on the DPAs and that cord was just a little to delicate for the talent I work with everyday. The DPAs do sound really good but I think the Sankens are close enough that they are a better deal for us.
Love the sound of both, DPA would be my choice in an ideal world but as I work quite low budget and well honestly I need a mic that can withstand the day to day struggles on set so the COS-11 gets my vote. If I was to rent however give me a DPA.
We use mostly DPA's now for our productions. They blend better with a mkh50 on a boom than the cos11 do. We still use Cos11's in noisier environments as they seem to reject background noise a little better than the DPA's. I do have to give them a little more juice with the transmitter than the cos11's. Buy plenty of extra caps! you will lose them. Great mic, great video!
I own both, The DPA has better background noise reduction and warmer tone. The sanken is also very good but i notice a bit more background noise. You'll be happy with either one.
Personally I use the two microphones since long time in motion capture for the video game. I think the DPA 4060 is better for the scene with screams and action. The COS 11 distortion more easily, it is less good for sound pressure management, in addition it is much more mid range than the DPA which is more neutral.
Clearly the DPA sounds more "balanced", more "homogeneous" talking frequencies-wise, but as you said the COS-11 is still good. I'll just add one thing : I've worked with DPAs and as you mentionned the cable is pretty thin, easier to hide but easier to break too ! Whereas the Sankens can go through wars without a scratch. A very good review overall, thank you ! :)
Bonjour est ce que micro lavalier DPA 4080 peut prendre un smartphone ? Autrement dit pour un direct je peu le brancher en mini Jack sur mon smartphone ?
Thanks for the video. Since I already have an investment in Sanken LAVs, I was happy with your testing. Like you stated, it's nice to have choices. I thought that for the mic placement you chose, the Sanken was the more articulate producing very intelligible dialog and as you stated, a bit bright. Where the DPA was a bit muddy to me. Both would have to be EQ'ed and processed so it's a toss up really IMHO. In your 'open air' scenario, with mic placement in the scalp area, I can imagine the DPA being more desirable, as I know the Sanken is again, a bit too bright. Depending on the talent's speaking frequencies, it can become almost harsh if not attenuated/filtered by costuming/clothing. Since 'discovering' iZotope RX a few years back, different mic characteristics (tone) is less concerning to me, as it does a great job matching tone from what is being used as a boom mic either inside or outside and my LAV choices. But what do I know, I think that the Sennheiser ME2 is one of the best sounding LAV mics anyway, so please disregard my opinion :). When I finally break down and purchase some DPA LAVs, I'll probably choose the Sanken when used under clothing, the DPA when used 'open air'. Again, thanks for this video.
Hey yeah the me2 it’s great for noisy environments sounds great hahahha but you are right they willl need some Work but all sound editors will Do that anyways regardless of the mic you use, and after that the mixers will do some eq aswell, so eqing can really fool everyone !!!
dpa ist the better choise. they are richer and more crisp. but more fragile as the Sanken. i used DPA's a lot but for the ruff shootings ( no time, wire and rewire a lot .... ) the Sanken is the better choise in my Opinion. If you Go for Sound ... DPA. thanks a lot for your vidios. very good Job.
I just used some b3's today and I was very happy with the results. I like the rich tone they deliver. It makes it easy to EQ in post. Also they are very easy to hide. I've never use the DPA or sanken though, so I'll have to get some and test them out.
check out the voice technologies VT 500 (or 506 for hiding - highboost). in my opinion, these are the best sounding lavs out there, and the cut very good with the 416. but i have to say, i never liked sanken very much. dpa stuff is also great!
I got a used 506 and tried to wire it for the sony UWP. The wires are very hard to work with compared to Sanken. I covered to used Sankens I bought on eBay to the Sony's 1.8 jacks no problem. The VT 506 uses lacquer insulated wires so you have the burn them then solder them. But even following the wiring diagram of the VT506 and multiple tries I could never get them to work.
yeah vt are fine but we had major problems with VT mics on Sennheiser Wireless D9000 . we gave them all back. theire preamp seems just working god with shure wireless
Interesting comparison! I just received a (used) DPA 4060, but with an XLR connection. The sound is quite natural and pleasant. Unfortunately, I can't compare the sound with and without the Boost, because I only received one Boost Grid. Besides, probably this reason will encourage me to return the microphone hoping to get another Lav with all the accessories. I have a question: By touching the cable, I have the impression that the slightest movement is captured. I even hear all the noise around me. The noise is not amplified but it's present. Is this all due to the fact that the DPA is a Hi-sens microphone or it's related to the connection I have (XLR) or even the Boost? Maybe going through a transmitter, the microphone will be relatively less sensitive ... or is there another reason? I hope you will answer me that will help me make my future decisions. Thank you RLFO ^^
Is this one with the new core ? and I don't see anyone commenting on the "quiet moment to hear the noise floor" (warning missing don't turn up your volume) here comes a HEY! and hope you didn't lose your hearing spoiler.
I'm sold, I will be getting the COS-11's well, just because I heard so many good things about them. Plus I had my eyes on some on eBay. I only hope they are still available.
Thank you for your video! Good timing as I am starting to look for lav mics to go with my SK2000 and G3. I have used Sanken on productions and I am quite happy with how they sound. I like the idea of the microdot system to extend the use from just lav mics to various transmitters and even to record ambience or music. Overall I felt that the DPA was more natural sounding which I like. On my playback system it seemed as the first shout distorted slightly on the DPA and that the Sanken handled this better, would you agree?
I downloaded the audio of this video in my browser and I am not sure weather it is youtube or something else, but it seems as the shouting clips digitally, Here is a screenshot from the shouts in serial. imgur.com/a/IqrPl
Seems that cos11 is more popular in North America than in Europe. Here in EU its more Sennie's and DPA's, so I would not claim it is an industry standard everywhere. Keep up the good work on the videos dude.
HI, We have sanken as well. but getting a lot on hiss when used with the sony UTX-BO3 with zoom H6. When we used the same combination with the factory sony Lavs not as much. anybody else had similar experience.
digtal awesomegroup Did you ever figure out what the cause was? I've used the same setup and didn't have a problem. I think I boosted the output from the Sony a bit to help out the H6 preamps, but either way the Sanken has a bit hotter output than the default lav that came with the Sony.
Thank you so much for your work. I really struggle to find people well informed about microphone even in the specialized shop... I was looking for a lavalier that I can use for video + podcast. I will look into those to and will probably take the one that i can ship in thailand.
I wanted to build an ortf set up with two 8040 for ambiences and sfx recordings, one day on set my schoeps mk41 was visible in the shot ( it was a car rig )so i decided to use the 8040 to cover that scene I liked how it sounded so now i always bring it as a backup and for small spaces its quite tiny that microphone and packs a punch, thanks for stoping by!! happy new year !
Why are you shouting at 4:07 without any notice? Just after you let us hear the noise floor. Thus turning our volumes way up. Next time a short message BEFORE you're gonna shout, please!
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Thanks for the comparison, very helpful. I can imagine uses for both. I've been using the Sankens but looking to also add a 4060 or two.
Thanks !! 🙏🙏🙏. I used sanken's for about 2 years, They are great mics but once you try those dpa's you will fall in love !!!
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Nice comparison. Here in Budapest big productions tend to use DPA-s. Personally I like the Sanken just a little more, since it's built like a tank. Some actors, talents doesn't give a duck about the mics we put on them, and DPA-s are easier to brake, and the thin cable gets tangled almost every time. I think DPA-s sound more natural, but for my personal kit I bought COS 11-s, and I'm happy with them.
DPA 4061 is what I use and Love!!!! I like the sound of the bigger capsules/membrane on the 61’s!
That "Hey" scared the shit out of me bro, I was listening to the noise floor
Sorry hahaha i will add a warning next time.
These comparisons are always eye-opening (ear-opening?). I've been using a B6 for awhile, and honestly I'm not a huge fan. I've never had the chance to mount them in hair or on a head, and so I feel their small size advantage is wasted when I have to bulk them up with mounts under clothing anyway. For that reason, I've really eyed a COS-11.However now I'm leaning more to the 4060, since I feel it sounds much more clearer and natural. But perhaps you can run another test in a noisier environment to see how they fare there :)But my goodness; after listening to the two lavs, I went back to the beginning to listen to your 8040 - such a nice sounding signal. Really emphasizes how there's nothing quite like a boom.
Thanks to you, and Curtis Judd, I am coming up to speed very quickly. What I have learned is that the mics themselves are more important than the entire unit, and that it may be necessary to have a broader mic selection for one’s transmitters than simply the one that came with the kit. The Sanken does sound brighter to me. I agree with you that, if I were using a typical mount placement, the DPA would sound better. However, if it is necessary to hide the mic among clothing, hats, or hairdos, then the COS-11 would probably fare better because of the coloration. Thank you for the very practical demonstration. You are quite helpful!
We tried out the DPA mics first before we ended up getting the Sankens. The cost was just a little too much on the DPAs and that cord was just a little to delicate for the talent I work with everyday. The DPAs do sound really good but I think the Sankens are close enough that they are a better deal for us.
Love the sound of both, DPA would be my choice in an ideal world but as I work quite low budget and well honestly I need a mic that can withstand the day to day struggles on set so the COS-11 gets my vote. If I was to rent however give me a DPA.
The nice thing with DPA is that you can also do some beautiful ambience takes in ORTF config
We use mostly DPA's now for our productions. They blend better with a mkh50 on a boom than the cos11 do. We still use Cos11's in noisier environments as they seem to reject background noise a little better than the DPA's. I do have to give them a little more juice with the transmitter than the cos11's. Buy plenty of extra caps! you will lose them. Great mic, great video!
awesome yeah i better buy some extra caps !!! cheers thanks for stoping by !!!
I own both, The DPA has better background noise reduction and warmer tone. The sanken is also very good but i notice a bit more background noise. You'll be happy with either one.
Personally I use the two microphones since long time in motion capture for the video game. I think the DPA 4060 is better for the scene with screams and action. The COS 11 distortion more easily, it is less good for sound pressure management, in addition it is much more mid range than the DPA which is more neutral.
Clearly the DPA sounds more "balanced", more "homogeneous" talking frequencies-wise, but as you said the COS-11 is still good. I'll just add one thing : I've worked with DPAs and as you mentionned the cable is pretty thin, easier to hide but easier to break too ! Whereas the Sankens can go through wars without a scratch. A very good review overall, thank you ! :)
Bonjour est ce que micro lavalier DPA 4080 peut prendre un smartphone ? Autrement dit pour un direct je peu le brancher en mini Jack sur mon smartphone ?
I went for the DPA. thanks RLFO!
Dude ur vibe is so on point it’s killing me. Love the accent.
He‘s so wholesome
nice one, the DPSA 4060 is powerful but i can also say the two mics are very good
Thanks for the video. Since I already have an investment in Sanken LAVs, I was happy with your testing. Like you stated, it's nice to have choices. I thought that for the mic placement you chose, the Sanken was the more articulate producing very intelligible dialog and as you stated, a bit bright. Where the DPA was a bit muddy to me. Both would have to be EQ'ed and processed so it's a toss up really IMHO. In your 'open air' scenario, with mic placement in the scalp area, I can imagine the DPA being more desirable, as I know the Sanken is again, a bit too bright. Depending on the talent's speaking frequencies, it can become almost harsh if not attenuated/filtered by costuming/clothing. Since 'discovering' iZotope RX a few years back, different mic characteristics (tone) is less concerning to me, as it does a great job matching tone from what is being used as a boom mic either inside or outside and my LAV choices. But what do I know, I think that the Sennheiser ME2 is one of the best sounding LAV mics anyway, so please disregard my opinion :). When I finally break down and purchase some DPA LAVs, I'll probably choose the Sanken when used under clothing, the DPA when used 'open air'. Again, thanks for this video.
Ha ha, long live the ME2s. :)
Hey yeah the me2 it’s great for noisy environments sounds great hahahha but you are right they willl need some
Work but all sound editors will
Do that anyways regardless of the mic you use, and after that the mixers will do some eq aswell, so eqing can really fool everyone !!!
dpa ist the better choise. they are richer and more crisp.
but more fragile as the Sanken.
i used DPA's a lot but for the ruff shootings ( no time, wire and rewire a lot .... ) the Sanken is the better choise in my Opinion. If you Go for Sound ... DPA.
thanks a lot for your vidios. very good Job.
What are your thoughts on the countryman B6 and B3?
I just used some b3's today and I was very happy with the results. I like the rich tone they deliver. It makes it easy to EQ in post. Also they are very easy to hide. I've never use the DPA or sanken though, so I'll have to get some and test them out.
DPA is simply the best lav Mic Company , Sennies are awsome too
check out the voice technologies VT 500 (or 506 for hiding - highboost). in my opinion, these are the best sounding lavs out there, and the cut very good with the 416. but i have to say, i never liked sanken very much. dpa stuff is also great!
if I meet someone with some voice technologies I will definitely check them out !! yeah dpa its sweet
I got a used 506 and tried to wire it for the sony UWP. The wires are very hard to work with compared to Sanken. I covered to used Sankens I bought on eBay to the Sony's 1.8 jacks no problem. The VT 506 uses lacquer insulated wires so you have the burn them then solder them. But even following the wiring diagram of the VT506 and multiple tries I could never get them to work.
yeah vt are fine but we had major problems with VT mics on Sennheiser Wireless D9000 . we gave them all back. theire preamp seems just working god with shure wireless
Interesting comparison!
I just received a (used) DPA 4060, but with an XLR connection. The sound is quite natural and pleasant.
Unfortunately, I can't compare the sound with and without the Boost, because I only received one Boost Grid. Besides, probably this reason will encourage me to return the microphone hoping to get another Lav with all the accessories.
I have a question:
By touching the cable, I have the impression that the slightest movement is captured. I even hear all the noise around me. The noise is not amplified but it's present. Is this all due to the fact that the DPA is a Hi-sens microphone or it's related to the connection I have (XLR) or even the Boost? Maybe going through a transmitter, the microphone will be relatively less sensitive ... or is there another reason?
I hope you will answer me that will help me make my future decisions.
Thank you RLFO ^^
The DPA has a more sincere sound to it if that's a thing! Thanks for all the great amazing content!
Is this one with the new core ? and I don't see anyone commenting on the "quiet moment to hear the noise floor" (warning missing don't turn up your volume) here comes a HEY! and hope you didn't lose your hearing spoiler.
I really like both of them but if I had to choose, I would go for the DPA's.
Dpa rules man !!!!
Could you use the URSA foamies with them?
Yes you can !!
I'm sold, I will be getting the COS-11's well, just because I heard so many good things about them. Plus I had my eyes on some on eBay. I only hope they are still available.
Indeed helpful. Really enjoyed your video. Many THANKS ! Yuma,AZ.
Dpa is to mkh50
Sanken is to mkh416
Thank you for your video! Good timing as I am starting to look for lav mics to go with my SK2000 and G3. I have used Sanken on productions and I am quite happy with how they sound. I like the idea of the microdot system to extend the use from just lav mics to various transmitters and even to record ambience or music. Overall I felt that the DPA was more natural sounding which I like. On my playback system it seemed as the first shout distorted slightly on the DPA and that the Sanken handled this better, would you agree?
I downloaded the audio of this video in my browser and I am not sure weather it is youtube or something else, but it seems as the shouting clips digitally, Here is a screenshot from the shouts in serial. imgur.com/a/IqrPl
Very helpful bro ....... Do you have izotop 7 Rx ? Plz make video on it .... Ty
Thanks for the video. I think I prefer the COS11
Seems that cos11 is more popular in North America than in Europe. Here in EU its more Sennie's and DPA's, so I would not claim it is an industry standard everywhere. Keep up the good work on the videos dude.
HI, We have sanken as well. but getting a lot on hiss when used with the sony UTX-BO3 with zoom H6. When we used the same combination with the factory sony Lavs not as much. anybody else had similar experience.
digtal awesomegroup Did you ever figure out what the cause was? I've used the same setup and didn't have a problem. I think I boosted the output from the Sony a bit to help out the H6 preamps, but either way the Sanken has a bit hotter output than the default lav that came with the Sony.
If I was going to get a DPA I’d get the heavy duty one so it wouldn’t break
Thank you so much for your work. I really struggle to find people well informed about microphone even in the specialized shop...
I was looking for a lavalier that I can use for video + podcast. I will look into those to and will probably take the one that i can ship in thailand.
I prefer the sound of the DPAs myself seems more "clean"
Thank you so much for this
your welcome its my pleasure !!1
What is the purpose of owning mkh8040 in your kit? when you're already having schoeps mk41 for interior booming.
I wanted to build an ortf set up with two 8040 for ambiences and sfx recordings, one day on set my schoeps mk41 was visible in the shot ( it was a car rig )so i decided to use the 8040 to cover that scene I liked how it sounded so now i always bring it as a backup and for small spaces its quite tiny that microphone and packs a punch, thanks for stoping by!! happy new year !
What adapter would I need to input either of these into my zoom f4? Thanks
u can get them wired to xlr or you will need a wireless system like a G4 or Lectrosonics that comes with a transmitter and a receiver
for me the sanken comes in more handy
DPA …🔥
i love dpa 4060
its a pretty solid mic
Sanken sounds better, DPA sounds too muffled
Why are you shouting at 4:07 without any notice? Just after you let us hear the noise floor. Thus turning our volumes way up. Next time a short message BEFORE you're gonna shout, please!
🤓 sorry I would keep that in mind my bad 😬😬
Dpa!
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Used Michrophone Sanken COS11PT マイク音質比較
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