Thanks Kevin. Just ordered the Mindpoprevolution Presslift today to use on my Sansui SR-636. I didn't even know these things even existed. Once again you have improved my Hifi experience just a little bit more....
I recently resurrected my old rig from the '90s that was stored away and it included the Dual CS5000 belt drive. You move the tone arm over the record and it starts to spin and after a pause it gently lowers. Then at the end it raises the arm and stops the turntable. I love it and in this case I don't care about any added complexity. Plus the added bonus of being made in Germany and not China.
Thank you Kevin, that was a great review. In addition to lifting the arm, the Presslift has a vibration dampening system built-in and it improves the quality of the sound.
I don't plan on buying one of these, but from another Sansui SR-838 owner... Cheers! I've had mine for over 20 years now with an Audio Technic 440MLa cartridge & love it.
I've been using a Tru-lift for several years and it has worked flawlessly. It was somewhat tricky to position properly, especially when encountering records with a very small runout groove which would trigger the lift before the record finished playing. (Very few 12" records caused that to occur where it could not be corrected with a very slight repositioning of the lift device.) It does, however restrict the playing of most 7" records because the device will usually be triggered prematurely by the tonearm.
Been using the Q-up for a few years, and it works tirelessly. Pardon the pun, it's never skipped a beat. If my player was in a more visible spot, the presslift has a cool "WTF is that" conversion starter element to it and definitely on my list if I ever move my player.
ha - I learned long ago ( I'm 73 ) with an original AR T'table that full auto was the way to go. simply that a machine handles the critical needle / disc contact far better than my hands. especially IF some 'enhancement' is in use. mid 1970's Pioneer, still works fine. Replaced recently, just for fun, no real reason, by a full auto Thorens 103
Thanks for the video. I have the Q Up and it works fine but it does lift the tonearm a bit aggressively. Some engineering fine tuning on this lift would help it a lot and make it more consumer friendly. It does the job though. Thanks again.
Just received my presslift today! Waiting to install it on my Pioneer PLX1000 till I get an azimith tool to adjust the height so I cut the length of the stiff wire correctly. I'm really looking forward to being able to put on a record with dustcover on not worry about being there right when it ends. Looks so cool I'll bet if Pioneer included it as an accessory they'de sell many more turntables even at a much higher price! Loving this budget direct drive plx1000 btw.
I absolutely did this with my pl 550. I got it after a lot of research to find the best pioneer to suit my sa 9800. Didn’t want the extra moving parts on the pl 570. Whatever. Mp 110 replacement stylus at the time was 65 bucks. Charge it to the game. It was a hell of a night when “I fell asleep”. I’m way to ocd to put something that looks like the q up on my table. I’d rather replace the stylus considering I only screwed up once in all these years. Love these videos though. I only buy stuff that I get a trusted opinion about.
That is just another reason why I love my old Techniques SL220 turntable, it's semi-automatic, just place the stylus over the desired groove, press Que then it gently drops it down, and when the arm reaches the end of the record it automatically lifts and returns it to tonearm rest.... And shuts the motor off....
I happily used the Q up for some time, my thorens version had a plastic lief spring inside for power, that had easy to use slider that adjusted tension on the spring, although it was still spring loaded and sudden when triggered. I secured it with a drop of beeswax to help isolate it from the plinth, and so it wouldn't leave a mark if changed tables. however, now that my system is more sophisticated, although I would like a lift, I don't think the repeated visible distortion of the cartridge suspension as it triggers the lift is something I want, given the delicate nature of the suspension and the precision required of the signal generator in the cartridge. The spinning ramp looked like the solution, I could adjust for the added trigger mechanism on the arm, and I like that it didn't need to be reset or would hit the tonearm during play if I forgot to cock it before every play, because the lifting arm would then hit the tonearm during play, with a potential to damage grooves or the cartridge suspension. but I regret that this best solution will not work for me. I have a turntable with a record clamp the enhances the surface coupling energy between the platter and the record, built in as part of the design, so the otherwise spinning genius for the lifting puck in the middle of the record would conflict with the turntable's design. Unless I could modify the design of that lift, which I am not going to spend to buy so that I might experiment with uncertain results.
I need one of those. Think I'll ask Santa to put one in my stocking that is hung by the non-existing chimney with care. That and a pair of those ultra cool glasses you are rocking. 🤓
My one reservation about the presslift is whether all my records end close enough to the spindle to engage the lifting function. I've got a decent amount of double albums that really could have fit on one record, and now that I think about it I've never actually looked at where the grooves end on them.
Yep, some labels are funky and uneven which can cause problems but mine works at least 90% or 95%. As much as I love it on my Pioneer TT I may try one of these other methods on a vintage Denon DD I have coming.
Hello Kevin, really enjoy your videos. Recently purchased a At-Lp120 to replace a 50y.o. Pioneer PL15d2 that died. Is there a lifter that's not more than half the price of the unit or more? Seen the $199 Little Fwend, yikes! Thank you very much!
Another con for Presslift might be that seems very impractical for frequent cartridge swappers, also, on the other end of the spectrum, does it work well with Rega / Project "unibody" tonearms?
I ordered the AT6006R. I guess they didn't put damping fluid in the piston, or it leaked out. The piston slams my tonearm into the dust cover. I have contacted AT, to see if they can send fluid to refill it. I can't believe they are giving me crap about ordering from Japan. Otherwise it's very nice.
Well this is something I have the audio technica T120 lpusb TT and the project ,I relax when listening music so I needed one of these but the only one i could use was on the pro ject and the Q up was the one I had to modify it a little even when set up to the lowest level the tone arm was too low by .120 or less thousands it will not work on the audio tech mica but I sanded down the lift just enough for tone arm to clear and it works fine and since the base of T T is a mohogony the Q up matches well I even got the lift since it was a silver color and once I sanded it. I got the same color and repainted to match this or all first three will not work on the at 120 USB it won't fit the last one must be new that you showed that would work like you said on all TT's. I looked for a while but never saw this one this would fit the audio tech t120 LP USB JRo📀
I picked up a Q Up at Axpona last year but found it's too tall for my Mobile Fidelity StudioDeck. I'll go see if the A-T will fit it. Hopefully I don't need to invest in a Little Fwend.
I hear ya about the simple is best/less is more approach when it come to turntables. I have a nice Denon DP-23F with it's fully electronically controlled servo tonearm sitting on the sidelines waiting for me to dive into it "brain" in an attempt to get it back online. BUT, I see no reason not to get a good vintage turntable with auto return/shutoff. I feel that a well designed return "mechanism" that is completely disconnected from the tonearm during playback will have no significant affect on the "sound' of the turntable. Sure, for those that are happily married to their manual tables, then a auto arm pick-up gizmo is the way to go. I'd rather just put the extra expense into a better built turntable first.
one must consider that everything vibrates at some level, and spurious energy can contaminate the vibrations generated from the groove into the cartridge . that is why better turntables are simplistic and manual. it's not because people don't like creature comforts, it's because removing stuff that can blur the signal resolution results in better sound.
@@richardelliott8352 I am of the option that if a turntable is well made, it matters not if it has some "creature comforts". good auto mechanisms should not have effect on the tonearm (being disconnected) while the tonearm is in "play" mode .....
For you Hi I have this Reloop RP-2000 USB turntable and I don't know from all the things you present what makes it have space to put it, can you please help me? Thanks!
It would be cool if there was an electronic automatic tonearm lifter That has a secondary mechanism that slowly returns the arm as well as cutting the power… a wire comes out of the back of it attached to an adapter With a kill switch. It would need some thing to read the rest of the mechanism once it triggers to let it know to cut the power… You could have it Toggle “start and stop” Instead of cutting the full power. but the problem there is that you might waste power if it’s left on all night. It’s also easier to wire some thing that acts as a wall adapter Rather than some thing that you would have to Solder in. And it should functions as a nice automatic lift and return without power
Aside from the centre mount option - What happens if you forget to reset it? I imagine it would collide with your tonearm and make a complete mess of your LP and stylus? Sounds like you’re risking catastrophic failure to save the low risk of leaving the stylus to spin on the out groove ….
I think you could spin the "what if's" anyway you like. Vinyl playback is a dangerous world, that's why CDs were invented. Not every stylus and record is going to survive. There will be casualties. We must move on. We must.
I have a Q UP and think that it looks tacky and is very over-priced. At one tenth the cost I might see it differently. It works but as you said, it is 'clunky'. The Presslift makes a lot of sense, looks good put is expensive - still would be my favourite if buying
I have not two, but only one Douk lifter and you know, it is cheap compared to some other stuff, I can install and set it in less than 5 minutes (First time it tooked me about 15 minutes, unpacking included) and it has been reliable on my TT for already two years. Ibought it on Ebay for 55 Euros from Douks audio German warehouse. How about that? ;) Edited because of spelling errors
YUK that last item is gross!!!! Attaching something to the CART shell???Adding weight and mass. The extra weight can be compensated for but additional mass right at the end of the tonearm....NOT FOR ME..I own a QUP ...Audio Technica was the best of the bunch
Great video. I need one of these for my Metallica table
Grab the Presslift. Your table is definitely worthy!
Thanks Kevin. Just ordered the Mindpoprevolution Presslift today to use on my Sansui SR-636. I didn't even know these things even existed. Once again you have improved my Hifi experience just a little bit more....
installed the AT lifter on my Pioneer PL51 in the early 80s. Still works great!
MindPop Revolution PressLift 🏆
Putting one on my ProJect Carbon this week!
Multi Function Audio Jewelry!
Good vid!!!
The Q-Up was originally a Thorens product. It's what I have had on my TD-166 MKII for almost 40 years.
I recently resurrected my old rig from the '90s that was stored away and it included the Dual CS5000 belt drive. You move the tone arm over the record and it starts to spin and after a pause it gently lowers. Then at the end it raises the arm and stops the turntable. I love it and in this case I don't care about any added complexity. Plus the added bonus of being made in Germany and not China.
Thank you Kevin, that was a great review. In addition to lifting the arm, the Presslift has a vibration dampening system built-in and it improves the quality of the sound.
Love the Presslift!
I don't plan on buying one of these, but from another Sansui SR-838 owner... Cheers! I've had mine for over 20 years now with an Audio Technic 440MLa cartridge & love it.
I have a Sansui SR-838 with the AT 6006R and I love it. It works great and the design looks like it could've been a factory item for the SR-838.
I had the Qup on my ehorens 316 for almost 2 decades before it wore out. Not the nest looking kift but it worked every time and was easy to install.
I've been using a Tru-lift for several years and it has worked flawlessly. It was somewhat tricky to position properly, especially when encountering records with a very small runout groove which would trigger the lift before the record finished playing. (Very few 12" records caused that to occur where it could not be corrected with a very slight repositioning of the lift device.) It does, however restrict the playing of most 7" records because the device will usually be triggered prematurely by the tonearm.
Been using the Q-up for a few years, and it works tirelessly. Pardon the pun, it's never skipped a beat.
If my player was in a more visible spot, the presslift has a cool "WTF is that" conversion starter element to it and definitely on my list if I ever move my player.
ha - I learned long ago ( I'm 73 ) with an original AR T'table that full auto was the way to go. simply that a machine handles the critical needle / disc contact far better than my hands. especially IF some 'enhancement' is in use. mid 1970's Pioneer, still works fine. Replaced recently, just for fun, no real reason, by a full auto Thorens 103
Thanks for the video. I have the Q Up and it works fine but it does lift the tonearm a bit aggressively. Some engineering fine tuning on this lift would help it a lot and make it more consumer friendly. It does the job though. Thanks again.
The Stylift from Monitor Audio was the best ever.
Just received my presslift today! Waiting to install it on my Pioneer PLX1000 till I get an azimith tool to adjust the height so I cut the length of the stiff wire correctly. I'm really looking forward to being able to put on a record with dustcover on not worry about being there right when it ends. Looks so cool I'll bet if Pioneer included it as an accessory they'de sell many more turntables even at a much higher price! Loving this budget direct drive plx1000 btw.
I put a Little Fwend for my Technics GR. Took me 5 minutes to find the right spot. Works beautifully.
I absolutely did this with my pl 550. I got it after a lot of research to find the best pioneer to suit my sa 9800. Didn’t want the extra moving parts on the pl 570. Whatever. Mp 110 replacement stylus at the time was 65 bucks. Charge it to the game. It was a hell of a night when “I fell asleep”. I’m way to ocd to put something that looks like the q up on my table. I’d rather replace the stylus considering I only screwed up once in all these years. Love these videos though. I only buy stuff that I get a trusted opinion about.
Presslift == elegant. But does it require adding mass to the tone arm?
I’ve been using The Q-UP for about 7 years on a Project Debut Carbon and never had a problem with it not working✌🏼
That is just another reason why I love my old Techniques SL220 turntable, it's semi-automatic, just place the stylus over the desired groove, press Que then it gently drops it down, and when the arm reaches the end of the record it automatically lifts and returns it to tonearm rest.... And shuts the motor off....
Yup SL1950 owner and very happy
A damn shame that manufacturers and "audiophiles" want to tell us that semi/automatic TTs are bad for audio quality.
I happily used the Q up for some time, my thorens version had a plastic lief spring inside for power, that had easy to use slider that adjusted tension on the spring, although it was still spring loaded and sudden when triggered. I secured it with a drop of beeswax to help isolate it from the plinth, and so it wouldn't leave a mark if changed tables.
however, now that my system is more sophisticated, although I would like a lift, I don't think the repeated visible distortion of the cartridge suspension as it triggers the lift is something I want, given the delicate nature of the suspension and the precision required of the signal generator in the cartridge.
The spinning ramp looked like the solution, I could adjust for the added trigger mechanism on the arm, and I like that it didn't need to be reset or would hit the tonearm during play if I forgot to cock it before every play, because the lifting arm would then hit the tonearm during play, with a potential to damage grooves or the cartridge suspension.
but I regret that this best solution will not work for me. I have a turntable with a record clamp the enhances the surface coupling energy between the platter and the record, built in as part of the design, so the otherwise spinning genius for the lifting puck in the middle of the record would conflict with the turntable's design. Unless I could modify the design of that lift, which I am not going to spend to buy so that I might experiment with uncertain results.
I need one of those. Think I'll ask Santa to put one in my stocking that is hung by the non-existing chimney with care. That and a pair of those ultra cool glasses you are rocking. 🤓
Thanks, Dude;
Timely video, my Sony PS-2251 LA needs a lifter. Was looking at a Tru-Lift which looks like an AT knock off but the mind pop has piqued my interest.
My one reservation about the presslift is whether all my records end close enough to the spindle to engage the lifting function. I've got a decent amount of double albums that really could have fit on one record, and now that I think about it I've never actually looked at where the grooves end on them.
Yep, some labels are funky and uneven which can cause problems but mine works at least 90% or 95%. As much as I love it on my Pioneer TT I may try one of these other methods on a vintage Denon DD I have coming.
Hello Kevin, really enjoy your videos. Recently purchased a At-Lp120 to replace a 50y.o. Pioneer PL15d2 that died. Is there a lifter that's not more than half the price of the unit or more? Seen the $199 Little Fwend, yikes! Thank you very much!
Another con for Presslift might be that seems very impractical for frequent cartridge swappers, also, on the other end of the spectrum, does it work well with Rega / Project "unibody" tonearms?
I don't see why it wouldn't. Thanks
Is AT6006R compatible with Technics?
Do you sell this?
I ordered the AT6006R. I guess they didn't put damping fluid in the piston, or it leaked out. The piston slams my tonearm into the dust cover. I have contacted AT, to see if they can send fluid to refill it. I can't believe they are giving me crap about ordering from Japan. Otherwise it's very nice.
Well this is something I have the audio technica T120 lpusb TT and the project ,I relax when listening music so I needed one of these but the only one i could use was on the pro ject and the Q up was the one I had to modify it a little even when set up to the lowest level the tone arm was too low by .120 or less thousands it will not work on the audio tech mica but I sanded down the lift just enough for tone arm to clear and it works fine and since the base of T T is a mohogony the Q up matches well I even got the lift since it was a silver color and once I sanded it. I got the same color and repainted to match this or all first three will not work on the at 120 USB it won't fit the last one must be new that you showed that would work like you said on all TT's. I looked for a while but never saw this one this would fit the audio tech t120 LP USB JRo📀
Thank you for this excellent video. Does anyone know if the Audio Technica will fit on a Thorens TF-160?
Nice Marantz and JBLs behind you.
I picked up a Q Up at Axpona last year but found it's too tall for my Mobile Fidelity StudioDeck. I'll go see if the A-T will fit it. Hopefully I don't need to invest in a Little Fwend.
The AT6006R should work great for you
@@neilstewart9343 This was from months ago, but indeed the AT is a perfect fit. The bonus is that it doesn't look like a toy.
I hear ya about the simple is best/less is more approach when it come to turntables. I have a nice Denon DP-23F with it's fully electronically controlled servo tonearm sitting on the sidelines waiting for me to dive into it "brain" in an attempt to get it back online. BUT, I see no reason not to get a good vintage turntable with auto return/shutoff. I feel that a well designed return "mechanism" that is completely disconnected from the tonearm during playback will have no significant affect on the "sound' of the turntable. Sure, for those that are happily married to their manual tables, then a auto arm pick-up gizmo is the way to go. I'd rather just put the extra expense into a better built turntable first.
one must consider that everything vibrates at some level, and spurious energy can contaminate the vibrations generated from the groove into the cartridge . that is why better turntables are simplistic and manual. it's not because people don't like creature comforts, it's because removing stuff that can blur the signal resolution results in better sound.
@@richardelliott8352 I am of the option that if a turntable is well made, it matters not if it has some "creature comforts". good auto mechanisms should not have effect on the tonearm (being disconnected) while the tonearm is in "play" mode .....
For you
Hi
I have this Reloop RP-2000 USB turntable and I don't know from all the things you present what makes it have space to put it, can you please help me? Thanks!
It would be cool if there was an electronic automatic tonearm lifter That has a secondary mechanism that slowly returns the arm as well as cutting the power…
a wire comes out of the back of it attached to an adapter With a kill switch.
It would need some thing to read the rest of the mechanism once it triggers to let it know to cut the power…
You could have it Toggle “start and stop” Instead of cutting the full power.
but the problem there is that you might waste power if it’s left on all night.
It’s also easier to wire some thing that acts as a wall adapter Rather than some thing that you would have to Solder in.
And it should functions as a nice automatic lift and return without power
Do you think the press up lifter could work on a AR-XA? I just got mine with many Marc Morin mods, but have not chosen a lift just yet
Aside from the centre mount option - What happens if you forget to reset it? I imagine it would collide with your tonearm and make a complete mess of your LP and stylus? Sounds like you’re risking catastrophic failure to save the low risk of leaving the stylus to spin on the out groove ….
I think you could spin the "what if's" anyway you like. Vinyl playback is a dangerous world, that's why CDs were invented. Not every stylus and record is going to survive. There will be casualties. We must move on. We must.
Installed AT6006R on fluance RT82 and looks/works amazing 100% of the time
I have a Q UP and think that it looks tacky and is very over-priced. At one tenth the cost I might see it differently. It works but as you said, it is 'clunky'. The Presslift makes a lot of sense, looks good put is expensive - still would be my favourite if buying
I have not two, but only one Douk lifter and you know, it is cheap compared to some other stuff, I can install and set it in less than 5 minutes (First time it tooked me about 15 minutes, unpacking included) and it has been reliable on my TT for already two years. Ibought it on Ebay for 55 Euros from Douks audio German warehouse.
How about that? ;)
Edited because of spelling errors
Like the Mind Pop and $200 for a lift and record weight seems reasonable...
why the tougue?
I should have seen this video before buying the Douk "automatic" lifter.
Did you struggle with yours too?
@@skylabsaudio I gave up! It doesn't work unless you push the "antenna" with your own hands!
Yeah, same here. To bad, seemed like a clone of the Audio Technica, just wish it worked as good
No little fwend! ;( a great one is missing here
Some companies really are ripping off vinyl lovers aren't they? These products are way overpriced.
YUK that last item is gross!!!! Attaching something to the CART shell???Adding weight and mass. The extra weight can be compensated for but additional mass right at the end of the tonearm....NOT FOR ME..I own a QUP ...Audio Technica was the best of the bunch