I am with you on this one dave satnav is about it for me but modern bikes and cars seem to be going down the route of tablets rather than switches and clockes
@alienbiker5036 yes I agree ... the huge ones in Tesla's and the like are getting some criticism from an ease of use and safety point of view , I think it's possibly more of an issue on a bike ? ...thanks for commenting 👍
Honda cb500 four, '73 - Honda CX 500, '80. Both had all the get up and go I'd ever want. 45-50 hp is all I needed. Crossed the country on the Four twice and couriered on the CX. Never felt the need for more.
I am 66 - one of the young guys I guess. On my SV650 I have a small TomTom Rider GPS. It works great, but I would like a bigger screen with shades. I would also like to move it up closer to my road vision, because it would make it safer. It could also prevent the sun glare in many situations. A well positioned screen is not a distraction. It is distracting when you have to lean forward or use a hand to remove the glare from a screen.
In the case of the bike with 3 'screens' one is the speedometer/rev counter and general information display that all vehicles have, one is a supplementary rear view mirror, a very good thing to have on a motorcycle as far as I'm concerned, and the other is a satnav, also very useful. I agree that using a large display such as a tablet is not appropriate on a bike but I disagree with your proposition that more than one or two screens is a safety issue. I've ridden many tens of thousands of miles with a satnav to tell me where I'm going and give an accurate reading of my speed along with a phone acting as a supplementary rear view mirror, in addition to the speedo, rev counter, fuel gauge, trip counter... Every car has three rear view mirrors with the central mirror placed so as to give a good view immediately behind, the dangerous blind spot for motorcyclists, although you can glance over your shoulder before a manoeuvre I find the rear view provided by the camera and a screen gives much better advanced warning of what's going in the blind spot. If you feel that multiple screens would be a safety issue for you personally that's fine, for me the opposite is true. Cheers, Mick
Thanks Mick , interesting points. Mind you there has to be a limit to the amount of screenage on a bike before it becomes a hazard and for me 3 is overload ! ...It's a bit of a trend at the moment and I'm sure we will look back in a few years and laugh at some of these set-up's !
I'm with you on the screen thing. It seems a big thing is having the ability to play music while you ride, which is something I've never wanted to do. With regard to the adventure bikes make zero sense. Any bike is a compromise so it's up to the purchaser to decide what compromises they can live with versus the advantages. Whatever bike someone rides makes sense to them, so lets just stop judging and celebrate being out there riding
Well I used a TomTom sat nav for a number of years, then I bought a Royal Enfield Classic 350 over 2 years ago and got rid of the TomTom and bought a little Beeline. Fitted no problem and was a revelation so much more relaxing to ride without the large screen and just simple arrow instructions. 20 bhp and the best bike I have owned in 54 years of riding a simple single cylinder long throw engine that once run in is more than adequate in todays traffic . Every journey is a joy and you get to see so much more than flying around on the latest speed machine. 😊
I like having a satnav when I don't know where I'm going and I think the balance there is about right. It does take some of your attention but also allows you to worry less about navigation and more about riding. Generally though, the less in front of me the better. On my Z1000 I can barely see the bike, never mind any screens 😀
Great video, a little Beeline does me for a satnav, although I try and get a picture in my head of where I'm going beforehand. I've a chinese Benell 500 good performance for it's 40 odd horses. Big horsepower bikes good for two-up travel in my view.
I see this video has caused some controversy and in my opinion unnecessarily so, you made what I'd consider a valid point and begged the question " are they really necessary"? Whilst the small single clock style LCD display on your Honda I'm afraid wouldn't be enough for me, I am a fan of old style analogue clocks. Modern TFT replacements offer the best of both worlds by adding important vehicle information. A Sat-Nav is a handy addition giving not just directions but also a map of the road ahead and traffic, road works, tail backs and speed limit warnings, you understood that. Now when it comes to additional screens with apple car play or android auto, I'd agree they are unnecessary and also a distraction. Where a TFT screen already exists on the bike most of what these additional screens show is already on display. They offer directions but only when connected to your phone ( yet another device). Many riders have Comms fitted to their helmets, these allow voice control of both directional aids and phones for music, calls, etc. A safer option than toggle wheels/switches and additional touch screens. Some bikes now offer connectivity ( although usually at additional cost) meaning one screen does it all. I can see the argument that a rear view camera display may offer an element of safety but that may be negated by the distraction of multiple screens. There you go that's my tuppence worth for what it's worth.
An excellent summary ,,Thanks for watching 👍 .. An interesting point about Comms ...I was discussing this today with other bikers and I might try it out to use on specific occasions.
@@WyreForestBiker Thanks for your reply, yes a comm device on your helmet offers quite a few benefits and the you don't have to splash out on the more expensive brands to benefit from their functions. I initially started out with a brand called FreedConn who have several models for around £100 + which also feature an integrated 1080p camera. I used them for chatting with my pillions, taking Satnav instructions and listening to music from my phone. You can also voice control Siri or Google and ask for local amenities etc. My son bought a dual set of Cardo Packtalk Edges for my birthday, which I have to admit we're brilliant to start with and the " mesh" connectivity was superior to Bluetooth connection. Cardo and Senna wouldn't link but Cardo addressed that, however it would seem Senna sought to deny this helpful progress. Now with various updates Cardo struggles to connect with its own devices without first going through a specific connection sequence. I'm wondering if this is to push folks towards their new Pro version? I'll be interested to see and hear how your try out goes.
Screens are distracting . TFT ones are very pretty but unnecessary . I have a Tiger with one and it is very annoying having to scroll through menus to get info . Drives me nuts. I also have a Guzzi Eldorado that is 50 years old and have just returned from a 2600 mile tour . No screens , no windscreen . Just a rev counter , speedo and an odometer ( not even a trip meter ) . It was sheer bl**dy bliss , not having to comply to the demands of techno cr*pology. The Guzzi weighs 10 lbs less than the Tiger ( I have weighed them ) but is considerably easier to manouver than the Tiger because the centre of gravity is much lower . The big Adv bikes are a marketing success but only really suitable for high speed highway use to crunch miles . The Tiger will probably be sold and replaced with a mid size bike soon , it's just too much effort to park and manouver the behemoth . The horsepower sweet spot is 85 to 110 hp , in my opinion for the road conditions here in Canada . The Welsh border country is some of the best countryside in the UK , happy memories !
I think age plays a big part in the acceptance of screens on bikes and also in cars. To an older generation a screen is still a bit of an alien thing, to anyone younger it's been part of their life since they could walk. I'm 80 and would find it hard to not be distracted by a screen on my bike, my but my son (56) has SatNav on his V-Strom and seems to treat it as part of the instruments fitted as standard on a modern bike.
@@WyreForestBiker sorry my comment went on wrong utube, was meant for my fish 🐟, he was riding the nx500.. I've ordered myself the cl500 after watching your channel 😀
I do enjoy Stuart Fillinghams channel. However i was amused on his take that it is a waste of time to own a 50 plus hp motorcycle! He had previously put out a video about obtaining a rolex, using his logic surely a casio would suffice?
I really enjoyed listening to your Bike history, the scary thing is we are a similar age and it sounds just like my history. We have had many similar bikes. It sounds like we are both addicted to motorcycling. Cheers Pete.
My Mrs has got a car with a touch screen for every thing, heater, blower, radio etc etc. very dangerous to my mind, can't believe it's legal. Cheers Dave👍
Couldnt understand why you didnt just park in the first big car park on the right !. Then have a wander about. The bike with the 3 or 4 screens is the Bingley Wheeler, does some nice videos . In my view , Stuart Fillingham is a tedious bore, sorry. Nice video mate.
Yes, I know what you mean about the screens, everyone seems to have one (or three). I have trouble looking at the screen in the car so not sure I'd be ok on the bike. Those little beelines look handy, though when I go out I just go round in circles anyway. Thanks for the vid 👍
I can't see the point of all those screens either Dave, It's probably a passing fad for those who mostly ride with a full set of Aluminium Luggage with nothing in them😅 speaking of which, having had 3 since I retired in 2015 the GS is big and 250kg but it isn't top heavy and with the upright riding position and wide bars is surprisingly nimble and for someone wanting a good all rounder who also carries a pillion It's hard to beat as a package. I changed from one late last year mainly because the wife no longer rides pillion and I fancied a change but the 1200 and 1250 were the best selling bike over 125cc every month for years for a reason 😉. Mind you I'm not a fan of the new 1300, at over 20k for a decent spec'd one they're too expensive for me. Ride safe
I have the 30th anniversary africa twin which is 250+ kg I brought it new now with nearly 50k on it for a 1000cc 24l tank it will happily do 350 miles and works well with the uk roads always puts a smile on my face.
No screens for me, my attitude is if I get lost maybe I will find somewhere new and interesting. I also feel it makes me more observant of the road and scenery ahead. I come back from bike rides totally chilled out 😊
I am with you on this one dave satnav is about it for me but modern bikes and cars seem to be going down the route of tablets rather than switches and clockes
@alienbiker5036 yes I agree ... the huge ones in Tesla's and the like are getting some criticism from an ease of use and safety point of view , I think it's possibly more of an issue on a bike ? ...thanks for commenting 👍
Honda cb500 four, '73 - Honda CX 500, '80. Both had all the get up and go I'd ever want. 45-50 hp is all I needed. Crossed the country on the Four twice and couriered on the CX. Never felt the need for more.
I agree 500cc can do most things just fine . However ride a more powerful bike and it's hard not to fall for the extra go ....Thanks for comment.
@@WyreForestBikertotally agree had a cx500 and 75 in a head wind, not enough for me
I’m with you on screens! I ride to get away from screens too.. I have a compass and phone in my bag if shtf! 💪
I am 66 - one of the young guys I guess. On my SV650 I have a small TomTom Rider GPS. It works great, but I would like a bigger screen with shades. I would also like to move it up closer to my road vision, because it would make it safer. It could also prevent the sun glare in many situations. A well positioned screen is not a distraction. It is distracting when you have to lean forward or use a hand to remove the glare from a screen.
Great video, fully agree with you, the only screen I want fitted to a bike is a fly screen...👍
In the case of the bike with 3 'screens' one is the speedometer/rev counter and general information display that all vehicles have, one is a supplementary rear view mirror, a very good thing to have on a motorcycle as far as I'm concerned, and the other is a satnav, also very useful. I agree that using a large display such as a tablet is not appropriate on a bike but I disagree with your proposition that more than one or two screens is a safety issue.
I've ridden many tens of thousands of miles with a satnav to tell me where I'm going and give an accurate reading of my speed along with a phone acting as a supplementary rear view mirror, in addition to the speedo, rev counter, fuel gauge, trip counter... Every car has three rear view mirrors with the central mirror placed so as to give a good view immediately behind, the dangerous blind spot for motorcyclists, although you can glance over your shoulder before a manoeuvre I find the rear view provided by the camera and a screen gives much better advanced warning of what's going in the blind spot.
If you feel that multiple screens would be a safety issue for you personally that's fine, for me the opposite is true. Cheers, Mick
Thanks Mick , interesting points. Mind you there has to be a limit to the amount of screenage on a bike before it becomes a hazard and for me 3 is overload ! ...It's a bit of a trend at the moment and I'm sure we will look back in a few years and laugh at some of these set-up's !
@@WyreForestBiker That's fine David, thankfully we are all still free to make our own choices, for now at least.
I'm with you on the screen thing. It seems a big thing is having the ability to play music while you ride, which is something I've never wanted to do. With regard to the adventure bikes make zero sense. Any bike is a compromise so it's up to the purchaser to decide what compromises they can live with versus the advantages.
Whatever bike someone rides makes sense to them, so lets just stop judging and celebrate being out there riding
Well I used a TomTom sat nav for a number of years, then I bought a Royal Enfield Classic 350 over 2 years ago and got rid of the TomTom and bought a little Beeline. Fitted no problem and was a revelation so much more relaxing to ride without the large screen and just simple arrow instructions.
20 bhp and the best bike I have owned in 54 years of riding a simple single cylinder long throw engine that once run in is more than adequate in todays traffic . Every journey is a joy and you get to see so much more than flying around on the latest speed machine. 😊
@Peter234100 Hi Peter, The more I think of it those Beeline type of device makes the most sense on a bike ...thanks for watching 👍
@WyreForestBiker just been informed, Cradley Kawasaki is closing building sold to McDonald's @
Do you think someone should do a handlebar extension kit to fit all these TV screens to 😜
I like having a satnav when I don't know where I'm going and I think the balance there is about right. It does take some of your attention but also allows you to worry less about navigation and more about riding. Generally though, the less in front of me the better. On my Z1000 I can barely see the bike, never mind any screens 😀
2 screens would be the max for me. one standard screen (Dash) and maybe an aftermarket one, if im not using my phone as a navigation unit
Great video, a little Beeline does me for a satnav, although I try and get a picture in my head of where I'm going beforehand. I've a chinese Benell 500 good performance for it's 40 odd horses. Big horsepower bikes good for two-up travel in my view.
Great video loved seeing shobdon airfield again my grandparents lived in shobdon and I spent many happy summers there in the 80’s. 👍😊
That's great ...Thanks for watching👍
I see this video has caused some controversy and in my opinion unnecessarily so, you made what I'd consider a valid point and begged the question " are they really necessary"? Whilst the small single clock style LCD display on your Honda I'm afraid wouldn't be enough for me, I am a fan of old style analogue clocks. Modern TFT replacements offer the best of both worlds by adding important vehicle information.
A Sat-Nav is a handy addition giving not just directions but also a map of the road ahead and traffic, road works, tail backs and speed limit warnings, you understood that. Now when it comes to additional screens with apple car play or android auto, I'd agree they are unnecessary and also a distraction. Where a TFT screen already exists on the bike most of what these additional screens show is already on display. They offer directions but only when connected to your phone ( yet another device).
Many riders have Comms fitted to their helmets, these allow voice control of both directional aids and phones for music, calls, etc. A safer option than toggle wheels/switches and additional touch screens. Some bikes now offer connectivity ( although usually at additional cost) meaning one screen does it all. I can see the argument that a rear view camera display may offer an element of safety but that may be negated by the distraction of multiple screens. There you go that's my tuppence worth for what it's worth.
An excellent summary ,,Thanks for watching 👍 .. An interesting point about Comms ...I was discussing this today with other bikers and I might try it out to use on specific occasions.
@@WyreForestBiker Thanks for your reply, yes a comm device on your helmet offers quite a few benefits and the you don't have to splash out on the more expensive brands to benefit from their functions. I initially started out with a brand called FreedConn who have several models for around £100 + which also feature an integrated 1080p camera. I used them for chatting with my pillions, taking Satnav instructions and listening to music from my phone. You can also voice control Siri or Google and ask for local amenities etc.
My son bought a dual set of Cardo Packtalk Edges for my birthday, which I have to admit we're brilliant to start with and the " mesh" connectivity was superior to Bluetooth connection. Cardo and Senna wouldn't link but Cardo addressed that, however it would seem Senna sought to deny this helpful progress. Now with various updates Cardo struggles to connect with its own devices without first going through a specific connection sequence. I'm wondering if this is to push folks towards their new Pro version? I'll be interested to see and hear how your try out goes.
Imagine how much easier that would have been, with a screen... 😂
LOL very good point ...but only 1 small one !
Screens are distracting . TFT ones are very pretty but unnecessary . I have a Tiger with one and it is very annoying having to scroll through menus to get info .
Drives me nuts.
I also have a Guzzi Eldorado that is 50 years old and have just returned from a 2600 mile tour . No screens , no windscreen . Just a rev counter , speedo and an odometer ( not even a trip meter ) .
It was sheer bl**dy bliss , not having to comply to the demands of techno cr*pology.
The Guzzi weighs 10 lbs less than the Tiger ( I have weighed them ) but is considerably easier to manouver than the Tiger because the centre of gravity is much lower .
The big Adv bikes are a marketing success but only really suitable for high speed highway use to crunch miles .
The Tiger will probably be sold and replaced with a mid size bike soon , it's just too much effort to park and manouver the behemoth .
The horsepower sweet spot is 85 to 110 hp , in my opinion for the road conditions here in Canada .
The Welsh border country is some of the best countryside in the UK , happy memories !
I think age plays a big part in the acceptance of screens on bikes and also in cars. To an older generation a screen is still a bit of an alien thing, to anyone younger it's been part of their life since they could walk. I'm 80 and would find it hard to not be distracted by a screen on my bike, my but my son (56) has SatNav on his V-Strom and seems to treat it as part of the instruments fitted as standard on a modern bike.
I agree John ... as I said though there is a limit !... thanks for watching.
Went to Presteigne last week , worst road surface I've ever seen .....mile after mile of pot holes
Yes Mark , one section was particularly bad ...glad I had a Scrambler !!
Apparently our governments skint
A Moto Beeline works for me! 😁😁
Oops, think you just upset the GS riders again. They're hardly top heavy, on the contrary apparently.
Well maybe not although the way I see them loaded up sometimes I do wonder ...same for any bike though.
What happened to the cl500.. have I missed something x😊
@@martinehulme8743 I was riding it !! 🤣
@@WyreForestBiker sorry my comment went on wrong utube, was meant for my fish 🐟, he was riding the nx500.. I've ordered myself the cl500 after watching your channel 😀
@martinehulme8743 Oh that's fantastic Martine 😄... I watched Mr Fish too , although he's not had it long he loves the CL .... enjoy the bike ...
Every man and his dog seem to be doing reviews in these things at the moment, personally they do not interest me, just a current fad.
Yes it's somewhat of a fad at the moment , I'm sure common sense will prevail ..Thanks for watching.
I do enjoy Stuart Fillinghams channel. However i was amused on his take that it is a waste of time to own a 50 plus hp motorcycle! He had previously put out a video about obtaining a rolex, using his logic surely a casio would suffice?
I really enjoyed listening to your Bike history, the scary thing is we are a similar age and it sounds just like my history. We have had many similar bikes. It sounds like we are both addicted to motorcycling. Cheers Pete.
Have noticed some youtubers pushing this car play nonsense. Must be getting paid to promote them.
Whats happened to getti g lost its fun dave 😅
Yes it certainly can be...mind you it depends where !!! .... thanks John
Garmin-Guilty here. So many little roads. But thats it.
I agree a Sat Nav is really useful at times nothing against them ... Thanks for comment.
My Mrs has got a car with a touch screen for every thing, heater, blower, radio etc etc. very dangerous to my mind, can't believe it's legal. Cheers Dave👍
I agree Simon , and I know a lot of people think the same ...you cant beat an old fashioned knob !
😂Ha ha. Non taken 😉
Couldnt understand why you didnt just park in the first big car park on the right !. Then have a wander about. The bike with the 3 or 4 screens is the Bingley Wheeler, does some nice videos . In my view , Stuart Fillingham is a tedious bore, sorry. Nice video mate.
Thanks Roger ..no need to apologise😂
I have a hard enough time monitoring my speed with my CL with its terrible small and dark screen.
LOL ..I do agree to some extent ! ...It's certainly not a strong point of the bike although I have learnt to live with it ok ... Thanks for comment.
Yes, I know what you mean about the screens, everyone seems to have one (or three). I have trouble looking at the screen in the car so not sure I'd be ok on the bike. Those little beelines look handy, though when I go out I just go round in circles anyway. Thanks for the vid 👍
@GlynOC Thanks Glyn ..im the same that's why I follow Malc otherwise known as the human satnav !
@@WyreForestBiker Country A roads all look the same after a while anyway, you could be anywhere for all I know 🤪
Nice one DJ, screens appear to be the latest fad, not a fan myself....
Thanks Henry ...I agree its early days for the whole thing and I'm sure the pendulum will swing back to more sensible set-up's.
I can't see the point of all those screens either Dave, It's probably a passing fad for those who mostly ride with a full set of Aluminium Luggage with nothing in them😅 speaking of which, having had 3 since I retired in 2015 the GS is big and 250kg but it isn't top heavy and with the upright riding position and wide bars is surprisingly nimble and for someone wanting a good all rounder who also carries a pillion It's hard to beat as a package. I changed from one late last year mainly because the wife no longer rides pillion and I fancied a change but the 1200 and 1250 were the best selling bike over 125cc every month for years for a reason 😉. Mind you I'm not a fan of the new 1300, at over 20k for a decent spec'd one they're too expensive for me. Ride safe
Thanks Bazza .. I think the 1300 is a step too far for many GS fans TBH.
@@WyreForestBiker I agree entirely 👍
I actually love the little sat nav built into the Royal Enfields.
Small and unobtrusive.
Yes it fits the bill as too being a sensible size ...I do know a number of owners who say it not great to use though ? ..... thanks for watching
I have the 30th anniversary africa twin which is 250+ kg I brought it new now with nearly 50k on it for a 1000cc 24l tank it will happily do 350 miles and works well with the uk roads always puts a smile on my face.
Great bike ...thanks for comment .
No screens for me, my attitude is if I get lost maybe I will find somewhere new and interesting. I also feel it makes me more observant of the road and scenery ahead. I come back from bike rides totally chilled out 😊
I'm with you ! ... I would use a sat-nav on occasion but for me a bike is for riding ... Thanks for watching👍
The CL500 is a perfect bike when you do get to those 20 MPH roads, it handles those with ease as well as the faster roads.
Very true Mike , it's so easy to ride in confined spaces.