UNACCEPTABLE!! Artemis 2 will not launch until 2025 at best!? Why????

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  • So, NASA is officially targeting late 2024 for the launch of Artemis 2, which seems absurdly long, given the fact that the next SLS and European Service Module are nearly complete. But NASA's plan is actually worse than that!
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  • @investmentgammler4550
    @investmentgammler4550 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    It's just ridiculous. It took alrerady 8 years from the first unmanned flight of Orion to the still unmanned Artemis 1 flight. That was longer than the entire manned phase of the Apollo program between 10/1968 and 7/1975.

    • @generalyellor8188
      @generalyellor8188 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you not understand how EVERYTHING was different during the Apollo era? That we were in competition with the USSR, so had the backing of most of the US government?

    • @firehawkdelta
      @firehawkdelta ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@spacexrocks1041 But, in the 1960s, they were starting from *zero*. They didn't even know if what they were trying was even *possible*. And they had no preexisting infrastructure or knowledge base to start from.
      Orion/SLS/Artemis has no such excuse. It should have been *easily* able to accomplish what Apollo did, and exceed it, with a fraction of Apollo's budget. Instead, we're paying more for RS-25s to throw away than we originally paid for them to be reusable on the Shuttle. We're paying more (in inflation-adjusted dollars) to make alterations to the VAB and Mobile Launch Platform than it took to create them from scratch circa 1965. And the list goes on.

    • @adamtedder1012
      @adamtedder1012 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly

    • @minigpracing3068
      @minigpracing3068 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is new competition, China will probably put people (or kill them trying) on the moon before 2025.

    • @Scanner9631
      @Scanner9631 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's just to ensure that if Trump gets back into office the landing won't happen while he is in office.
      j/k

  • @mikefeierberg7712
    @mikefeierberg7712 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    Isn't the purpose of Artemis to keep the Shuttle work force employed? I don't think our representatives in Congress actually care if we land on the moon.

    • @ReiseLukas
      @ReiseLukas ปีที่แล้ว

      Imagine my shock. Of course they don't care. In fact I think most Governments across the world are opposed to humanity expanding beyond earth and for a big reason...control. If the common man were to have unrestricted access to space and the solar system then Governments on earth would lose control of us. It would be a new era of people fleeing earth due to oppression and hoping to start a new life beyond Earth. Freedom vs Tyranny once again

    • @jmwoods190
      @jmwoods190 ปีที่แล้ว

      I doubt that they actually care the actual value of landing on the moon like many of us do. It's mainly for politics and the Big Club's money. Just see what they did for Blue Origin and you'll get the idea.

    • @ytrefugee113
      @ytrefugee113 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My thought exactly! The longer they can stretch this out, the more costs can overrun and the more corruption and incompetence will be involved and likely ensure the entire concept will eventually end up mothballed. In my opinion this specific program and hardware will never touch the surface of the moon, and likely was never actually intended to, it was all a lie to squander money for the companies involved, share holders in those companies, (including the politicians who promoted it), and has been just another massive tax payer funded "jobs program".

    • @TheStopwatchGod
      @TheStopwatchGod ปีที่แล้ว +20

      That is correct. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Unless congress or the president actually want to go to the Moon, Artemis will only remain a Jobs program.

    • @kenetickups6146
      @kenetickups6146 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Course they don't
      all they care about iss what their owners on wall street say

  • @Zebred2001
    @Zebred2001 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    That is a launch cadence that will completely fail to excite anyone except those that want to cut the whole programme!

    • @invisiblekincajou
      @invisiblekincajou ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and now it is 100% clear that no Gateway will be built, at least as it was advertised

  • @Orion2525
    @Orion2525 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    2:22 That picture of Orion/Artemis 18k miles from Earth is incredible. Is that not the planet approach in every major Sci fi movie or what. Omg

    • @vincewilson1
      @vincewilson1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      !8K miles? I never saw anyone mix up metric and imperial units that silly.

    • @trollking202
      @trollking202 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vincewilson1 there was one Mars orbiter that had the same problem

  • @okrajoe
    @okrajoe ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'm starting to worry that NASA isn't going back ever.

  • @stevenblackwell4903
    @stevenblackwell4903 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Could we really expect anything else considering how long the first one took 😟

  • @TroySpace
    @TroySpace ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Artemis II will arrive just in time for SpaceX's seventh Maezawa lunar mission, with 12 spacewalking mimes as passengers.

    • @cyborg_v2.295
      @cyborg_v2.295 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Now that ewould be a sight to behold

    • @Wirmish
      @Wirmish ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ... with 12 spacewalking mimes and 2 Tesla Bots as passengers.

    • @dereklinscott8488
      @dereklinscott8488 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ....or Taikonauts claiming that those astronauts are trespassing.

    • @christopherleveck6835
      @christopherleveck6835 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're going to miss the Christmas party is what they're going to do.

    • @torben777
      @torben777 ปีที่แล้ว

      And when exactly did Starship last launch?
      5 may 2021.
      In all likelyhood they will also have 24 months plus between launches, and that is just for crude prototypes.
      Even worse, I think SpaceX figured out that Starship does not work in its current evolution. Otherwise they had launched it long ago.

  • @carljmacdonald
    @carljmacdonald ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The first flight of Orion to Artemis 1 took 8 years. Dont hold your breath for 2025.

    • @classic_sci_fi
      @classic_sci_fi ปีที่แล้ว +3

      SpaceX could land the first pioneers on Mars before NASA lands on the Moon.

    • @tankourito5419
      @tankourito5419 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@classic_sci_fi Those pioneers would be dead before they got there.

    • @carljmacdonald
      @carljmacdonald ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tankourito5419 People also thought Columbus was going to sail off the end of the earth when he left.....

    • @liamproductions1115
      @liamproductions1115 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What are you talking about Flat Earth Theory was already debunked by then

    • @carljmacdonald
      @carljmacdonald ปีที่แล้ว

      @@liamproductions1115 There are people who still believe the Earth is flat today. What are you talking about? The large majority of the populace of people in Europe in 1400's were uneducated....and "debunking" wasnt even a thing...or a word for that matter. The people who "knew" did not care what others "didnt know".

  • @chrisdrury3890
    @chrisdrury3890 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Surely this proves the need to get SpaceX up and out there

    • @codetech5598
      @codetech5598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why do you think that will be easy?

    • @viktorrietveld
      @viktorrietveld ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@codetech5598 Indeed. I haven't seen them launch their monster rocket yet . Let alone get starship back through the atmosphere with those heatshields that keep falling off

    • @christopherbeddoe406
      @christopherbeddoe406 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Code Tech, they never said it will be easy.
      Fact is SpaceX is 10x more effective at system development and 100x more cost effective.
      Even though starship has way more development to complete before manned missions SpaceX is more likely to get it done... assuming there is no further government interference.

    • @codetech5598
      @codetech5598 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@christopherbeddoe406 Yeah, SpaceX is more cost effective in reaching LEO.

    • @swissbiggy
      @swissbiggy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Starship has still a very long way to go. First let see if they get the whole thing launched, than they will have to fix all the current problems that do still exist, and only after that they will have to learn how to do a refuel in LEO. All of this will maybe be for 2026 the earliest, but probably 2027.
      Meaning that a first mission to the Moon is at least still five to six years away from now.

  • @navelriver
    @navelriver ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nasa has too many directors, chiefs, associate directors, associate chiefs, and various high-ranking hangers-on.

    • @Scanner9631
      @Scanner9631 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too many in Congress and Senate using them for pork.

  • @1dcbly
    @1dcbly ปีที่แล้ว +8

    0:13 In a perfect world, Director Nelson would call a meeting with the Orion/Artemis team with only one question: What would it take to recreate the Apollo 8 next December?

    • @firehawkdelta
      @firehawkdelta ปีที่แล้ว +7

      1968 NASA: "Well, we'll have to take some serious risks, but we can probably get it done."
      Modern NASA: "Can't be done."
      Boeing: "10 years, $100B."
      SpaceX: "Well, we'll have to take some serious risks, but we can probably get it done."

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@firehawkdelta : Yeah, even Musk would probably say June 2024.

    • @johngobbeti8422
      @johngobbeti8422 ปีที่แล้ว

      A miracle

  • @morgananderson9647
    @morgananderson9647 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sorry to see you leaving England. Thank you for all the great reporting and information you've provided us!!!
    Safe travels!

  • @Sargon_of_Cincinnati
    @Sargon_of_Cincinnati ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The title Rocket Scientist doesn’t carry the weight it once did. The 1960’s space program puts the current efforts to shame.

  • @BrianKelsay
    @BrianKelsay ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yep, need two sets so they can launch avionics set #2 while refurbing set #1. Leap frog method. Bigger problem is space suits not ready, expensive launch pad must be refurbbed, and they have to have all the parts ready to go when the external boosters are ready. And is it Artemis 3 or 4 that needs to be ready at same time as StarShip HLS? There's a lot of balls in the air right now.

  • @Deploracle
    @Deploracle ปีที่แล้ว +5

    We choose to go to the Moon in this century and if the budget allows, do some other things ...

    • @Scanner9631
      @Scanner9631 ปีที่แล้ว

      And future administrations don't cancel it at the beginning of their term and start a new plan just before leaving office. Rinse and repeat.

  • @francocarrieri1988
    @francocarrieri1988 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A very merry Christmas to you. It's been great having you here. Looking forward to you returning.

  • @classic_sci_fi
    @classic_sci_fi ปีที่แล้ว +21

    People poke fun at ‘Elon Time’ but look how long it took to get Artemis I into space. More important to note is the speed at which SpaceX kicks up their launch cadence at the end of development. They are now sending diverse missions at the rate of more than one per week! 😎

    • @viktorrietveld
      @viktorrietveld ปีที่แล้ว

      Not the heavy though

    • @jounik
      @jounik ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@viktorrietveld No point in launching when there's no payload ready for it... To my understanding there's 5 Falcon Heavy launches scheduled for 2023, the first one being a Viasat satellite that was originally supposed to launch in 2019 but is only now ready to go.

    • @spacexrocks1041
      @spacexrocks1041 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elon always overpromises delivery times. Always.

    • @MrEd2291
      @MrEd2291 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@spacexrocks1041 "doing the impossible late" Though late, he deleivers much faster than NASA or Boeing.

    • @swissbiggy
      @swissbiggy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jounik Keep on dreaming. I can already tell you that this will not happen. Despite all the nice youtube videos you can find about this topic made by the many great people who put their precious time into it, we will not see any real mission of Starship before 2026/2027.
      Despite all the dreams of so many we will not see a succesfull launch with all engines working before 2024. The moment they have done this for a first time they will still have to work on the further progress, because it is only after a first launch and succesfull re-entry that you have the data needed to improve things that have gone wrong.
      This is gonna take SpaceX until the end of 2025, and only than will they start to learn how to make a succesfull refuelment in low earth orbit. This is never done before, so expect some setbacks.
      Mark my words, the first serious mission of Starship will not be before the end of 2026 start 2027.

  • @MrEd2291
    @MrEd2291 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Your fine video illustrates why many of us are SpaceX enthusiasts. We share your reservations about refueling and acknowledge there is a lot of development and testing still needed for Starship.
    But look at the record of SLS, NASA, politicians, and Boeing for reusability, timeliness, and new technology! I was between 9th and 10th grade when we first landed on the moon. In a few weeks I will be 70 years old. Humans have not been further than low earth orbit since 1972. I am very tired of promises of great advances that are always 10 to 20 years down the road. SpaceX may not be a certainty, but it is our best shot for real advances.

    • @RonaldoTheGoat1234
      @RonaldoTheGoat1234 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree

    • @trollking202
      @trollking202 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The star ship has a small wings and that can’t land on the moon or mars 😢

    • @RonaldoTheGoat1234
      @RonaldoTheGoat1234 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@trollking202 uh that's because the one that's in testing rn is different from the finalised starship

  • @AdministrativeReload
    @AdministrativeReload ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Given all the delays and problems with the Starship system, there isn't really much pressure on SLS to do anything quickly at this point, even if they could.

  • @Lethgar_Smith
    @Lethgar_Smith ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The entire process for awarding government contracts needs to be overhauled.
    Corrupt politicians are the leading cause of everything.

    • @ytrefugee113
      @ytrefugee113 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bingo! The longer they can stretch this out, the more costs can overrun and the more corruption and incompetence will be involved and likely ensure the entire concept will eventually end up mothballed. In my opinion this specific program and hardware will never touch the surface of the moon, and likely was never actually intended to, it was all a lie to squander money for the companies involved, share holders in those companies, (including the politicians who promoted it), and has been just another massive tax payer funded "jobs program".

    • @JuricksEnterprise
      @JuricksEnterprise ปีที่แล้ว

      So who's going to do the reforming??? Not the corrupt politicians, that's for damn sure!!

    • @spacexrocks1041
      @spacexrocks1041 ปีที่แล้ว

      If corrupt politicians are the leading cause of "everything", does that include cancer?

    • @Lethgar_Smith
      @Lethgar_Smith ปีที่แล้ว

      @@spacexrocks1041 could be why we dont have a cure

  • @caonabo2
    @caonabo2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hey angry, good video. It's true, Nasa should have at least 4 or 5 Orion Capsules and this avionics boxes recicling should be performed in the latter ones, letting NASA to always have some spear Orion capsules.

    • @jtjames79
      @jtjames79 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Avionics is just a fancy word for computers.
      It's going to take them 2 years to move computers?!
      At this rate it would text NASA several decades to pull off a LAN party.

    • @caonabo2
      @caonabo2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jtjames79 Very true. I think is a ridiculous way to develop a space system. I mean, look at the liquid leak problem with the Soyuz ship in the ISS. The Russians have some spear Soyuz crafts that could be launched to substitute the damaged one.
      If an Orion capsule fails, the astronauts will have to wait 26 months to be rescued!

  • @transitengineer
    @transitengineer ปีที่แล้ว

    Just noticed this link in my You Tube feed this morning. It is said for people who were either to young or not yet born in the 1960's when, we took the first of many trips to the moon. During the decade of the 1960's, we had a real "Space Program" with a real mission to send men to the moon and return them safely to earth. Even in the 1970's, the goal was to place a space station in orbit around the earth which, we did with "Skylab". Going back to the moon, why? As for myself, I get more enjoyment with watching unmanned missions to other planets throughout our solar system (smile...smile).

  • @MrFranklitalien
    @MrFranklitalien ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I supposed they could've made two sets of avionics and staggered them between refurbishing for launch to keep up with the initial schedule, notwithstanding implied costs

    • @DavidKnowles0
      @DavidKnowles0 ปีที่แล้ว

      They are going to need more sets of avionics if they are going to keep a base on the moon supplied.

  • @saxbyfox6859
    @saxbyfox6859 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't see a rush without HLS and Gateway.

  • @Toddhull6185
    @Toddhull6185 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The main thing holding up Artemis is Starship HLS and the million launches needed to fuel the lander .Taking ya lunar lander with you in one launch seems the best idea ........oh snap thats already been done .

  • @earth2006
    @earth2006 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's all a matter of bonus check enhancements for a certain legacy company. It's all really about yachts the need to have the biggest. Yachts are very expensive. Must have many enhanced bonus checks to pay for them. Can't really expect the upper echelon management to sail around the Caribbean in dingys.

  • @dmixdup
    @dmixdup ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We had a functional space suit 50 years ago!!!
    Insane.

    • @michaelsommers2356
      @michaelsommers2356 ปีที่แล้ว

      We had spacesuits that barely lasted for a couple of days of use on the lunar surface. This time we intend to stay longer, and need suits that can survive the lunar dust.

  • @clydegriffith6732
    @clydegriffith6732 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been tweeting at Virgin Orbit for them to bring Jordan back to the UK and have him ride in Cosmic girl for the launch. Please join me.

  • @Blarnix
    @Blarnix ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With the pace of the starship orbital launch, I’m not really sure how the hell they’re going to have a lunar fairing vehicle by Artemis III or IV

  • @brianw612
    @brianw612 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I say again, much of this time is due to a very low risk tolerance. Apollo 8 launched on Dec 21, 68. 9,10 and 11 were all manned and flew within 7 months. Apollo 8 had a 50/50 chance of killing the astronauts. In todays safety climate it take years to build and flight ready the countless systems that make up every launch vehicle. These things are insanely complicated and something as simple as a loose connection could delay a launch for months. Yes, Space X does it, but it took years to get the current cadence, and going to the moon is entirely different than getting a few hundred kilometers up.

  • @johnmcgarry148
    @johnmcgarry148 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i agree totally - the pace of the program is ridiculously slow

  • @76luislara
    @76luislara ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Artemis 1 was supposed to be launched in 2017 and Artemis II in 2020. That was in the original plan. NASA had that 27 months gap on the Original plan.

  • @fishmarkholmes1834
    @fishmarkholmes1834 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think strongly that Artemis 2 will launched in Christmas of 2024.

  • @MrEd2291
    @MrEd2291 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Welcome back to the United States. Thanks for your reporting. Have a Merry Christmas and a good rest!

  • @bibliophile2707
    @bibliophile2707 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I am still trying to justify in my mind the existence of Artemis.

    • @generalyellor8188
      @generalyellor8188 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Seriously? You don't think we should go back to the moon, then on to Mars? Sad, sad, sad.

    • @DrMackSplackem
      @DrMackSplackem ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@generalyellor8188 If the goal is Mars, then just go to Mars! The Moon won't help you with getting to or living and working on Mars. That sales pitch really needs to be called out for the nonsense it is.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DrMackSplackem : Depends on what you want to do. Building a Moon base makes it harder to abandon high orbit, which in turn makes it easier to pull off trips beyond the Moon. Further, if you want to do anything on a large scale, then mining the Moon makes _that_ far cheaper.

    • @Willbrse
      @Willbrse ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought this was all for helium-3 because that's what China wants too. But now I'm confused xD

    • @diegocosta9009
      @diegocosta9009 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Going to the Moon to stay is a very justifiable goal. The way its being undertaken is a major problem.

  • @TheKianykin
    @TheKianykin ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If these companies were serious about building space craft they would do what spacex is doing.

    • @Motionc
      @Motionc ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro building a spacecraft is no joke it take year even even with best engineers its not easy to build and plan a rocket dude.

    • @MillionareThoughts1
      @MillionareThoughts1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Motioncbruv, the rockets can be built under 3 months.

  • @youdroidsgetoffmylawn
    @youdroidsgetoffmylawn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the meantime. It seems Starship could really use a robust launch pad with a flame trench nearby their existing infrastructure..all they need is another launch tower....What a coincidence.
    Isn't there an old launch mount laying around as well?
    By the time anyone else needs it 39C or whatever they'll call it could be available.
    There's also really tall 4 bay building nearby that doesn't seem to get much use.

  • @PDLM1221
    @PDLM1221 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yeah this is sad news , why soooooo long until the next flight Jeez we launched 7 Apollo flights in what 4-5 yrs, disappointing to the max!

    • @spacexrocks1041
      @spacexrocks1041 ปีที่แล้ว

      MONEY. NASA's budget was 3-4% from 1965-67 - now it's 1% or less.

  • @InfoSopher
    @InfoSopher ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Many years ago I remember reading about the lawsuits between EU and US on subsidies concerning Boeing and Airbus.
    Basically, if I remember correctly, WTO rules dictate that certain subsidies were not allowed.
    So is SLS and it's coming successor not just a way of circumventing those rules?

    • @eleventy-seven
      @eleventy-seven ปีที่แล้ว

      This wasteful program needs to be brought to a end before it adds to the list of 15 dead US astronauts who died in the pursuit of knowledge. It is a congressional ATM and personally I think the money should be spent on earth orbital refueling systems. That would be the gateway provided they could orbit high enough to avoid debris. No more 60s reruns, lets go to Mars.

    • @DavidKnowles0
      @DavidKnowles0 ปีที่แล้ว

      SLS is a government contract. Airbus and Boeing projects were commercial projects receiving government funds.

    • @InfoSopher
      @InfoSopher ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidKnowles0 SLS does in part profit companies such as Boeing, which the US may want to subsidize. Does it not?

  • @mikercflyer7383
    @mikercflyer7383 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    So sad how everything is corrupted all the money that is spent on a proxy war and they don't blink an eye to spend on. As a former employee at Rocketdyne in the 60's I don't think I will live long enough to see another SLS fly.

    • @Gesso64
      @Gesso64 ปีที่แล้ว

      You may be able to see starship fly at least. Also didn’t rocketdyne produce the f-1? I’m curious about your involvement 😂

    • @mikercflyer7383
      @mikercflyer7383 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Gesso64 I was involved in the production of the of the 25, 75, 100, pound space engines or Directional Thrusters for the Apollo. Yes they did build the F1 Engine.

    • @Gesso64
      @Gesso64 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikercflyer7383 that sounds like a dream. From your perspective how has designing and building rocket engines changed since then other than obvious things such as cad?

    • @spacexrocks1041
      @spacexrocks1041 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you want more money for NASA, stop funding the pilot-killing F22 and F-35.

    • @jimle22
      @jimle22 ปีที่แล้ว

      I worked in the Shuttle program at KSC from 1990 to 2010 and now retired, I don't think I will live long enough to see Artemis II.

  • @ronbyers9912
    @ronbyers9912 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A 27 month delay will lead to a loss of mission steam.

  • @Columbus1152
    @Columbus1152 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Three words: "Cost plus contracts" Just follow the money.

  • @mikeklegin2259
    @mikeklegin2259 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    NASA needs to stop looking at the future through yesterday's lens.

  • @simonrichards6053
    @simonrichards6053 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Artemis 2 should launch next summer Apollo launches were every six months

    • @N0T_Dem0n
      @N0T_Dem0n ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apollo was a time where people actually cared about space

    • @eleventy-seven
      @eleventy-seven ปีที่แล้ว

      Site your current source.

    • @Space_Rebel
      @Space_Rebel ปีที่แล้ว

      Apollo had a sense of urgency. They had to get there by the end of the decade - 1960s.

  • @joshsickles1163
    @joshsickles1163 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, Denver is closeish to me. If you find yourself in Montrose CO stop in and say hi😁

  • @bassbone2010
    @bassbone2010 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree, the Artemis is a flawed concept. Too expensive, to much turn around time, and always starting from zero.

  • @michaelsommers2356
    @michaelsommers2356 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since HLS isn't even close to being finished, Artemis 3 can't happen for a long time.

  • @Petefx86
    @Petefx86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It will probably be cancelled before that. I noticed there was an eerie quietness on the flight loops during this mission. No prelaunch readouts, no countdown, no narration during the ascent like on other NASA missions. No control room video, either. Just too quiet. Something seemed strangely off. I really feel like this flight was merely a "Proof of concept" mission and that folks in certain circles including the firing room and MCC knew this could likely be the first and last Artemis flight, ever.

    • @violaabdelmalak210
      @violaabdelmalak210 ปีที่แล้ว

      So what you are saying is, the project will be canceled because it doesn't fit your definition of a stereotypical launch?

    • @petefx8662
      @petefx8662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Viola Abdelmalak No. Because they've already blown a ton of time and money on a project that is behind schedule and over budget, using 50-year-old technology while private companies like SpaceX have the potential to beat them in the race and do it cheaper. As private companies continue to advance and launch more frequently, I think the powers that be could at some point very well decide that it's not worth it. My noting the silence on the loops simply felt to me like a kind of somber rather than celebratory feeling in the air. A "first and last hurrah" kind of vibe. I am a big NASA fan, and I'd hate to see that happen, but it took so much and so long and cost so much just to get this one launch off the ground, I fear Artemis could go that way.

  • @Crusader1984
    @Crusader1984 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why not have four different space craft of Orion that way they can rotate them? Like they did the space shuttle

    • @liammeech3702
      @liammeech3702 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Considering Artemis I cost billions...

    • @Gesso64
      @Gesso64 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@liammeech3702just capsules

    • @generalyellor8188
      @generalyellor8188 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Gesso64 Just capsules? Do you have any idea how much the A1 capsule cost?

  • @keeganyocum3300
    @keeganyocum3300 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sounds like another angry muskrat.

  • @Luscapanapinterest
    @Luscapanapinterest ปีที่แล้ว

    It's understandable for people to be eager to get the launches to the moon more ASAP but when sending people nasa must be sure the systems are safe

  • @johnmoruzzi7236
    @johnmoruzzi7236 ปีที่แล้ว

    As Scott Manley would say..... Fly Safe !!!
    see you again soon.

  • @Chip_Gardener
    @Chip_Gardener ปีที่แล้ว

    SLS is a heavy lift vehicle with only a handful of uses. It is never supposed to launch more than once or twice a year.. commercial crew is supposed to handle most things entering low Earth orbit. With this knowledge, it isn't a big surprise the launches especially early on have long gaps.

  • @captcraig7325
    @captcraig7325 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    By the time Arty 2 flies, we will already be using multi-dimensional worm holes to beam directly to the moon…and anywhere else 😅

    • @Scanner9631
      @Scanner9631 ปีที่แล้ว

      No way. You'll use the 1 dimensional worm holes that we used when I was a kid. These new fangled things aren't needed.

    • @timothygermann780
      @timothygermann780 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope so.

  • @cruzpayan5258
    @cruzpayan5258 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my favorite channels!
    I'm Angry! I'm Angry. . . . . Ok Now What?

  • @blakespower
    @blakespower ปีที่แล้ว

    look how clean the floors are of the rocket assembly factory are. looks brand new never used

  • @wickedprotos1937
    @wickedprotos1937 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd like to see the interior of the orion 1 capsule after recent splashdown. No images I can find.

  • @melplishka5978
    @melplishka5978 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Apollo missions were faster because the moon was about 2 feet closer to the earth lmfao.

    • @Deploracle
      @Deploracle ปีที่แล้ว +3

      True statement.

  • @MrNeptunebob
    @MrNeptunebob ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why did they not manufacture more than one of the avionics for Orion? Then we would have new avionics ready to go. It could not cost much more than 1 set of avionics. Why not use space shuttle/ISS suits for Artemis II as they are not going to go outside or walk on the moon?

  • @toddbernal2183
    @toddbernal2183 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2025?? Comon be real now! 2026 at best. Hopefully before the decade os over!

    • @saellenx3528
      @saellenx3528 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It shall be cancelled. Snake oil salesman Musk is involved in it so its gonna be cancelled since techbro is gonna go for Chapter 11 soon.

  • @surferdude4487
    @surferdude4487 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MLT, the mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich that is the mobile launch tower is a cause of major concern. That thing is a patchwork of bodged together components each built by the lowest bidder. It has been the cause of far too many scrubs and it was damaged during the single successful launch of SLS. Even in that one instance, it still caused a delay. That thing should never be used again!
    But the 27 months is to reuse a component from the artemis 1? This is completely insane!
    Oh well, maybe by that time, the Lunar Starship will be ready. *sigh*
    Edit: What?!! They want to "test components to failure then reuse them"??? Do I have to spell out why this is a bad idea?

  • @michaeldemarco9950
    @michaeldemarco9950 ปีที่แล้ว

    If the Space Shuttle could launch 4 times a year, so could the SLS.
    This is entirely plan driven, not hardware driven.

  • @AdmiralPreparedness
    @AdmiralPreparedness ปีที่แล้ว

    The answer is: "Job Security" for contractor personnel.

  • @danielcorcoran7132
    @danielcorcoran7132 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was at Johnson space center visitor center, they assured us the next flight is in 16 months :-(

  • @ghostdragon7139
    @ghostdragon7139 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wait you guys believed the 2024 window?

  • @rdy3820
    @rdy3820 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    people won't be flying in a spacex star ship before 2030 if at all.

  • @arduinomistakes8879
    @arduinomistakes8879 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A snail could crawl from the VB to the launch tower and back about 4 times before Artemis 2 launches. And that includes resting at night and stopping for a week to watch the Stanley Cup finals in both '23 and '24.

  • @wpatrickw2012
    @wpatrickw2012 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could additional money speed up the processing of the Artemis-1 avionics boxes for use on Artemis-2?

  • @_pic_7571
    @_pic_7571 ปีที่แล้ว

    They need time to fix the launch mount. They just don't want to say anything.

  • @YaofuZhou
    @YaofuZhou ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your analysis, although I have to point out that to compete with the Chinese space problem is a terrible reason for the American human space effort. If it is not critical for national security, the U.S. space industry (private sector and the Government) should do things at their own pace.

  • @omarsimpson6542
    @omarsimpson6542 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you angry astronaut for showing this video. This is the reason why we're usability is important aspect for spaceflight . What are they doing at the facility for this to take this long to get back to the Moon ? What is the manufacturing speed to building the SLS rocket ? What are the dollars being spent on the SLS rocket ? There are many different questions to ask as to why it's being delayed until 2025 . This might have some form of ramifications for funding from Congress if this continues to be delayed this long . And I believe angry may be right if this continues any further and they might cut the Artemis program very quickly, if you're not a supporter of reusability this is detrimental if you continue to delay the project further . Thank you for sharing this video shout out from Canada

  • @cpthornman
    @cpthornman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    None of this surprises me. SLS represents everything wrong with old space.

  • @mikeklegin2259
    @mikeklegin2259 ปีที่แล้ว

    A effort needs to be made to vote out the politicians who keep SLS alive. A "To the future PAC."

  • @mikeklegin2259
    @mikeklegin2259 ปีที่แล้ว

    They know it is a deadend. Waiting for Starship to stepup.

  • @MrFranklitalien
    @MrFranklitalien ปีที่แล้ว

    its a real shame those space shuttle launch towers werent kept and overhauled for the current program
    a space program truly is as reliable as its weakest link

  • @migs7220
    @migs7220 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Artemis 2: late 2033!

  • @amateuryoutuber
    @amateuryoutuber ปีที่แล้ว

    Then again the date 2024 was a fluid date, and also human safety is at hand.

  • @bernieeod57
    @bernieeod57 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    By then, Starship should be flying. If they don't want to launch people on it without an LES, Let Dream Chaser or Crew Dragon deliver the crew. The moment Starship flies, this Senate pork rocket topped with a retro spam can will be obsolete

  • @daviddesrosiers1946
    @daviddesrosiers1946 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really stretching that gravy train.

  • @wmarkwitherspoon
    @wmarkwitherspoon ปีที่แล้ว

    They don't have enough parts purchased to make a second set of electronics...

  • @bryant3825
    @bryant3825 ปีที่แล้ว

    Last time I checked on NASA official website, NASA has not put out an official statement of Artemis 2 being in 2025 even the report can be updated to newer revisions in the future. I think its safety that is going to be important as Space travel beyond LEO, the astronauts will be exposed to all sorts of cosmic radiation that can be dangerous. So NASA is trying to be cautious in their schedule and all plus with the Mobile launch tower and the new one that is being built. Its like what Nelson said "Space is hard" and it is. I trust NASA with their abilities and their contractors. I think they are doing a wonderful job, plus space hardware takes time to develop.
    In the 1960s NASA had a massive budget and it was a national security pride of being able to send a person to the moon and returning safely to the earth. But in modern times NASA is doing what it can do with the national budget they get every year. But still I have faith in NASA and going to be joining them soon.

  • @walterrwrush
    @walterrwrush ปีที่แล้ว

    What was the plan if they did get Orion back?

  • @simonethier5793
    @simonethier5793 ปีที่แล้ว

    I knew it.. anyway sls should go to the museum.. starship will be the next thing

  • @andysmith5940
    @andysmith5940 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why oh why does it take 27 months to reuse existing working, flight tested avionics? What are the engineers doing for 27 months? Testing does not take that long if you have already developed the test procedures. They just need to reexecute the original tests they ran to certify the hardware in the first place.

  • @mikeklegin2259
    @mikeklegin2259 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way.

  • @DavidKnowles0
    @DavidKnowles0 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why are they reusing parts on the second mission. Surely it would make sense to get a number of these reusable systems in circulation and flight rate up.

    • @wpatrickw2012
      @wpatrickw2012 ปีที่แล้ว

      The answer to that is money. It is expensive to have multiple sets of complex electronic hardware.

  • @armandomercado2248
    @armandomercado2248 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds about right. To accomplish a crewed moon landing, the contractor NASA selected for the lunar lander has to launch its heavy lift vehicle to LEO multiple times, demonstrate on orbit refueling, build a tanker fleet, build two Lunar landers, (one for an uncrewed demonstration mission, one for the actual crewed landing). The uncrewed mission will be a bare basics lander and does not have to launch off of the lunar surface. The second one obviously will have to launch off the lunar surface and preform a lunar orbit rendezvous. So yeah, Artemis 2 in 2025 sounds about right because lunar lander hardware probably won't be ready until 2028-2029.

    • @Scanner9631
      @Scanner9631 ปีที่แล้ว

      The first HLS should have to relaunch even if it is then just relanded somewhere else (ideally deploying crawlers at each site).

  • @murraydunford3776
    @murraydunford3776 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's like I've said before, they have the wrong people running NASA. They keep making the wrong decisions which adds to the amount of delay for launches.

    • @Scanner9631
      @Scanner9631 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be Congress.

  • @jamesg871
    @jamesg871 ปีที่แล้ว

    2025... ridiculous. They should be going on flights multiple times a year by now.

  • @mikeklegin2259
    @mikeklegin2259 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Polaris Station
    A mission profile for the first crewed Starship flight, would test long duration habitability of the Starship System. Polaris Station would launch uncrewed and multiple Crew Dragons would dock with it to disembark the typical complement of early Mars missions. The mission would run for a minimal of 6 months and possibly more to simulate the three year Mars mission cycle. Polaris Station would not be resupplied unless the mission were declared a failure. In which case Cargo Starships would transport refit equipment and supplies to restart the mission. After successful completion of the mission the upgraded and stress tested Polaris Station would serve as a destination for space tourist who wanted to experience the Mars transit experience. Perhaps these tourist would later sign on as the first permanent settlers of Mars.
    This is how I would do it. Hell we could boast it out to the moon and use it for the gateway station.

  • @CrasyFingers
    @CrasyFingers ปีที่แล้ว +3

    meanwhile starship will launch at least 100 times, probably more, and still cost less than artemis

    • @JuricksEnterprise
      @JuricksEnterprise ปีที่แล้ว

      IF the FAA gives them permission!! Again, if the corrupt government holds up SpaceX to make NASA relevant......

    • @Scanner9631
      @Scanner9631 ปีที่แล้ว

      When (if) Starship has launched 100 times it will be making money to counter the cost. Artemis? Will never make any substantial money for NASA.

  • @jakeh1183
    @jakeh1183 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got a contract to change over on top of all the other issues.

  • @christopherbeddoe406
    @christopherbeddoe406 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SpaceX has a better chance of getting astronauts to the moon and they have a TON of development to get there.

  • @stephenkehl7158
    @stephenkehl7158 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine if it took 27 months between Apollo launches-
    Apollo 7, October 1968
    Apollo 8, January 1971
    Apollo 9, April 1973
    Apollo 10, July 1975
    Apollo 11, October 1977

    • @trollking202
      @trollking202 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pogo ; combustion instability ; LEM windows ; cross feed wiring ; second stage weight reduction ; software ; all resolved in 27 months

  • @edlantz1696
    @edlantz1696 ปีที่แล้ว

    So in light of this, who will be the first to return to the moon? China? SpaceX? Artemis?
    The Moon Race is on!

  • @chris.eskimo
    @chris.eskimo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SpaceX doesn't seem to have a problem keeping multiple vehicles in service. Hmmmmm

  • @b0tterman
    @b0tterman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Jordan, or anybody, really, will NASA require the new spacesuit for Artemis 2? Or will they just use current EVA suits?

    • @NeroDefogger
      @NeroDefogger ปีที่แล้ว

      good question, I'd like to know too, I would guess no? but I'd like to know

  • @ThompPL1
    @ThompPL1 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:26 . . . Should have made "SCRUB" plural !! 😆

  • @nzoomed
    @nzoomed ปีที่แล้ว

    They should launch it next year!

  • @tripason127
    @tripason127 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought to myself why when they said next launch 2024 I was like what the heck