It has to be clearly spelled out in the agreement. I am just now getting into mobile mechanic services. People want a reasonably priced PPI because of all the garbage that is out there. I have everyone sign a waiver that I found online through a service that tracks forms. The form requires that the customer electronically initial each paragraph and sign the document before I will touch the car. It basically waives all liability. I also have general liability insurance. I am not a lawyer but I feel less stressed with this document if anything should happen. I haven't done any PPIs but people are asking about it. I would try to find another form with PPI liability waiver language before I do any. I felt bad with how broad the waiver is but remember a trampoline place waiver I had to sign for my kids to a birthday party. It mentioned "decapitation " 3 times 😮
I believe a PPI is a great service to offer ! I charge $75 for it in Orange County, Ca as a mobile mechanic. I run a load test on the battery, scan all modules on the vehicle, check the brake pads and rotors, tires, filters cabin and air (yes i unbolt the filter and air intake as well as the glovebox when necessary I always reference all data or Mitchell), check the fluids, belts, window regulators, window locks, wipers, suspension (I lift the car on jack stands and remove the wheels).
I think a pre inspection is an awesome service to provide. Gives people that are t sure what to look for to keep away or its a good buy. Personally for me I inspect the vehicle pretty thoroughly.
The battery is dying due to the sliding door, that's why they have to pull a fuse and re insert it to get it working again. Those oddyseys had the electrical gremlins for the sliding doors.
I think you need to have it in writing at the time of inspection with a time date and have a check list and tick off because you can guarantee something may go wrong after the inspection
Detailed inspection. Charge around that $130 mark you’re thinking, but give that level of service as well. Full computer scan for current and any stored codes. Visually inspect, belts, fluids, brakes, rotors…. Measure pads, measure tires, combustion gas test the coolant, measure coolant for freeze protection, check brake fluid for water (power steering as well)…. Visually look for leaks. Check suspension parts with a prybar. Document everything and recommend repairs in order of importance.
Pre purchase inspection is also a great way to get more business. You were able to change the transmission fluid. If an O2 sensor is bad, you may be able to charge for that. You could also give them a 25% discount on the inspection if they come to you for any work in the next 30 days. With that many miles, I am sure there is some suspension work needed. You might also offer CarFax report for extra $25.
For a PPI, just have the customer sign a waiver releasing you from liability. It needs to be known that all you can be expected to find are issues present at time of inspection.
I would think that this is a service some people will find very useful and willing to pay you for your experience and time. I would make it clear what you check (This will be a x-point checklist and visual inspection of the vechicle) to cover main components and bodywork. Also make it clear that you cannot do detailed inspection of components or inspect parts of the vehicle not visible. You could check the existing service paperwork, do a code scan and take the vehicle for a testdrive. Your report verbal/ written on your checklist could include comment on condition of components checked on the checklist (e.g. tyre wear and remaining thread, bodywork and underbody damage, colour/condition of fluids, condition of suspension components etc etc). I would suggest that you give a summary of work you suggest needs done in near future or immediately plus any major issues/concerns. I wouldn't recommend to the customer to buy/not buy the vehicle and make it very clear in the paperwork that it is a visual inspection that you cannot confirm the condition of components and the inspection does not imply any warranty or guarantee on the conponents or the vehicle. Most people just want to know does the car seem straight and nothing major wrong with it.... because they don't have the confidence or experience and don't want to spend their money on something with obvious faults.
I am a mobile mechanic as well and offer pre purchase inspections. I charge $150 to do the inspection and will offer to help customers find the vehicle they are after. By helping the customer find a vehicle, I can keep them away from the bad guys and steer them in the right direction. Typically after they are headed in the right direction, they will send me links to the vehicles they are interested in and I will tell them which ones are worth looking at. So far, every vehicle I have helped a customer find has worked out great and the first vehicle we look at is the one they purchase. None of this running all around town business. My customers have had very good experiences purchasing vehicles this way and I recommend everyone get used vehicles checked out before purchasing.
Well as a customer type of perspective, I mean not really a mechanic … I think it’s great to offer this. There are many people that don’t know vehicles and are at risk of getting completely screwed . A good thorough opinion from a trusted mechanic is an excellent service to offer. Now , unfortunately i could see a rare example of a dishonest person that tries to come back after you .. just have a write up agreement and waiver they have to sign . Maybe even an attorney get you a document to protect you . But over all, if someone is paying this, they just want your help and opinion . And you are damn good at what you do Ernest , so I say go for it .
You could provide a list of the items you checked and condition those items appear to be in. Then make clear in writing that items not listed were not checked or were unable to be checked without additional charge.
If I am having a pre purchase inspection done what I'm expecting is the eye of experience spotting something that may not jump out otherwise. I'm hoping to avoid missing anything catastrophically wrong and evaluating general condition of the vehicle. If you have access to any TSBs or knowledge of any known problems to bring to attention, that helps the average person. Generally having a professional poke around instead of myself is a form of protection from blame as well if a problem comes up. A disclaimer that things may look fine but degrade after inspection is a good idea. I've had bushings look fine but break down due to lack of grease and heat causing failure sooner than expected.
You should definitely do pre-purchase inspection’s. The bigger question is, should you really have changed out that transmission fluid? Those odysseys were notorious for transmission issues, especially at that mileage.
My two cents is if it's used then most likely someone is selling it because it has some sort of mechanical issue or suspension issue. Remember most people don't want to get rid of a reliable car I would say most people neglect their cars . If your buying used bring a scan tool scan for codes, check the condition of the fluids. I would drive it at highway speeds for a few miles to test how it rides and runs.
My buddy bought an old accord that was stuck in limp mode. Not sure how he didn't notice that the car wouldn't go over 45mph. Car had a slipping transmission and had almost every code showing on it. Also the car didn't even have the right size battery on it so it was always dying and the tires were pretty much riding on the steel cords. Some people have absolutly no clue when it comes to cars.
It’s definitely a good idea for you to do those inspections as long as you tell them that you’re only telling them what you see, and you’re not guaranteeing any thing for the future. You’re not Nostradamus lol. Also, you look like an honest guy and a great mechanic. I wish you lived in New York take care buddy.
I check everything on a pre purchase inspection all fluids yes that means the transmission and differentials too my last shop even tested the cooling system for hydrocarbons to see if there head gasket was failing and yeah they charged 1 hour and gave us 1.5 to check everything we could. Its really easy to not recommend the car when you find a bottle of power steering stop leak in the engine bay lol
You are capable to do pre inspections. Of course it’s unreasonable for the customer to get a 100% guarantee from you in the little time you get and they will understand that. Must scan tools can give you time since last code clear, I think that’s a great indicator of good health if it’s been a long time
I made this same mistake !! I bought a 2008 Acura TL with over 200k miles I test drove it and it seemed fine so I thought I was getting a good car turns out there’s a transmission problem only had it for a couple of weeks I don’t think the transmission is slipping there’s no sign of it but there’s a delay when the car upshifts and downshifts and when charging the gear from Park to Drive or Reverse there’s a delay and takes some seconds to engage check engine light came on and D was flashing used a scanner to pull up the code and I got a P0767 shift solenoid valve D stuck on I think it’s a bad shift solenoid which would explain the bad shifting delay but idk how to diagnose it I’m hoping it’s nothing serious I don’t have the money for a rebuild or to replace the transmission this is my first nice car I bought I’m coming from a 1999 Toyota Corolla I don’t want to do a transmission flush because I don’t want to wash out any metals that’s in there that could be holding friction with the clutch I don’t have any records if the car ever had any service done to the transmission I don’t know what to do
I'm not a moron, so I don't assume a PPI GUARANTEES problem-free ownership. It's a used car, and they are getting rid of it for a reason. It's either someone's love or their lemon. Id give them a checklist of things you checked. All of my PPIs have been techs looking over the major parts of the car.... Tie rods, ball joints, wheel bearings, and a quick scan to make sure there are no erased or pending codes. It's a used car.
I think PPI's could be good for business. The key will be to have clear language in your contract/agreement that states the PPI is primarily a visual inspection, you can't offer any opinion on components you can't see and that in any case, your inspection is not a guarantee, it is only a report on your findings.
This is a prime example of what to avoid. It's crucial to work with a reputable repair shop that is licensed and insured. Otherwise, if any mishaps occur, you could be held responsible for any resulting personal damages caused by an unlicensed and uninsured installer. If you're paying for a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) for a used vehicle, it's essential to receive an inspection report detailing what's in good condition, what needs attention urgently, and an estimated repair cost. Additionally, the report should include an estimated value of the vehicle. Report maybe you can present to the seller as to maybe he’s willing to pay half the repairs or give you a better deal. This comprehensive information enables you to make an informed decision about whether the vehicle makes financial sense for you. Just a reminder: All sales are final, unless otherwise specified in writing. That's why it's highly advisable to obtain a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) report. This ensures that you have a clear understanding of the vehicle's condition before making a final decision.
I think you should do them like one person commented and have them sign waivers. No one knows when a part will fail. Let them know of that before hand. Good luck
@@RoadsideRescue just a visual. no touchy. remember the car is not ours yet. we still can be responsible for any damages. and at the end of the day..... if all the monitors are complete... that should show that the car/truck must not be that bad if it can complete all them monitors.
@@1shorte4wssj21 Bro for a 1 hr inspection you should be doing a drive test to check the shifting of the trans and any noises from the engine and brakes. Also its good to check the timing belt along with the visual of the suspension and all fluids. Bro just a visual, geez. sounds like a shade tree mechanic
The oil leak on the oil filter side may be the vvt solenoid pack just need to do gaskets on the filter housing. Those engine mounts have solenoids and vacuum lines too if the mount is broken it will throw a code.. hope it helps
I'd say start doing them, but make sure to have some sort of liability waiver, something that says everything looks good mechanically at a first glance, but that its not a guarantee that there won't be problems internally down the road. Get with a lawyer to come up with something if you need that much assurance to go forward with starting to offer this service.
@@RoadsideRescue use a stethoscope and put it around the tensioner area and I bet that's what it's going to be. What brand was used for the timing kit?
I do a pre purchase check , i agree it is a 1 hour fee. I give a critical review of standard maintenance items and i do a scan of the computer stating it only gives an idea of status because anybody can disconnect the battery and fool the systems. I did an after purchase inspection on my girlfriends car that a local dealer sold her and the cabin air filter had more than an inch of dirt and leaves on it and the ac compressor had a bad clutch. They argued on the clutch but it had a warranty for 90 days from them.
Looks like a Gen 3 Odyssey with VCM (variable cylinder management). Best Gen 3 years were 2007-10 with the more robust Ridgeline transmissions. Odesseys went downhill quality wise after that with Gen 4 starting in 2011. Gen 5 is even worse. They gotta muzzle the VCM to extend motor mount life, stop oil burn, cam wear and premature cat failure. I used S-VCM Controller device ordered online from a guy in Quebec in my 2007 EX-L. Now at ~340K miles still on original engine and transmission.
I think I would just list things it needs to negotiate a lower price. But I mean just look at the basic stuff. Check all fluid is and condition, tires, any evidence of damage wreck etc lol. After you're done ✔️ just say everything looks good but there's no guarantee it'll last. Things like starters can go bad and hard to check etc.
I have done lots of pre purchase inspections. I have separate forms depending on the level of detail they want and were I get to inspect the vehicle. My crystal ball sucks so there are no guarantees only inspections.
Transmission on honda you need to warm up the vehicle up to operating temp *fans turn on at least twice* and then shut it off and check within 2 minutes.
Pre inspection is fine as long as you tell customers, buying a 2nd hand car is tricky, buying a 2nd hand appliance,car whatever you don't know how previous owners took care of their car. Catalyctic converter is best to buy original, aftermarket ones usually give a lot of problems, codes that start to hunt you. Have it in writing that you are not responsible for any problems afterwards that may occur and that they are responsible for their choices. In life there are no warranties.
It would be cool to see more pre-purchase inspections. If the prospective buyer knows the mechanic, there will be no ill will. If something goes wrong, they both understand. If an inspection is done for free, that's even better. As the old saying goes: " If something is for sale, there " is " something wrong with it. " Gunfights at 'high noon' are presently illegal. But, some activity has to be created to replace them.
make them sign a liability waiver, that simply says, you are not responsible for any omissions or errors and that anything that fails after the initial pre-purchase inspection has been done.
i think you should make a general list and offer $40 inspections. The way I look at PPI's, imagine if you were the person buying this car, what would make or break a purchase for you. As a mechanic, you are very qualified to give an opinion on cars.
Were I used to work, they had a list of things that needed to be checked. After done it was given to the person. That way, if something went wrong afterwards, we at least had something to stand on. During my 13 years, we never had any issues. Just watch your back if your charging for something their is unfortunately a lot of Karen's out their that are ready to sue. About the video, if you knew the van was dead, you should have had it charging before you started, but not before checking your oil. Inless your looking Over a Harley, which has to be operating temperature, but turned off before checking the oil.
All you can do is your due diligence when you look a vehicle over.. how detail the inspection maybe another issue. But utilizing a set criteria / form to ensure you cover everything you cited to the customer would be a good thing, it would also give you a place to document issues.. but always have a disclaimer with regards to liability. You can only point out red flags and potential issues..your not clairvoyant so if someone buys a vehicle with a checkered maintenance history you can’t know if or when an issue(s) may arise down the road…advise and document it in the paperwork.
PPI are a good way to make a few extra bucks. I think you should make up your own checklist sheet (100 points) and perhaps have a number scale for certain important points. Such as you recommend i.e. tie rods to be changed soon but not necessary right now. Also I would state just your findings and let the customers know that that's what you found. Nobody can predict a cat failing or a tranny taking a dump out of nowhere. I also similar services for my electrical/heating work and in return they always respect honesty and come back as a repeat customer.
You need to talk to those customers like you just talked to us. Make sure you are making no outright promises and that any things can happen in spite of your careful inspections. It’s not a black and white thing and they have know that. Most will understand! If you feel uncomfortable witha particular car or customer just decline the customer. You don’t have a crystal ball. Make they know that.
Offer pre-purchase inspections, but clearly spell it out in the contract that you’re only going to be able to find what is noticeable to a trained eye during the inspection, obviously deep down issues that are either being hidden or are a deeper problem are not going to be found and you’re not liable for that
I do prepurchase inspections, especially during tax season. I have a couple offerings for the inspection based on how far the customer wants me to go with it. I always let my customers know ahead of time what the inspection does and doesn't do. It does give a good general idea of the overall condition of the car, its major systems, components, and driveability. It isn't a crystal ball that will tell you every single thing a car could have wrong with it. As for the liability issue, you could have folk sign a waiver of some sort. Simple enough to do. I've adapted my checklist from others I've found over time. At the end, I let my customers know what I find, anything that may be a deal breaker, potential maintenance or repairs, and whether or not the price is fair. You can easily and competitively charge $100 for one. Could save your customers 1000s!
I would say 100 dollars is good for inspection. I think 150 is way to much to do something like that. Even though I can tell you appear to be a very skilled mechanic, you are just very experience & knowledgable.
Seems like a pre buy inspection would at a minimum includes a safety inspection and systems electrical check then engine performance wear thumbs up or down
A pre-purchase inspection is only an opinion as per your knowledge. It is not a guarantee to not blow up or have further problems. When I do these inspections, I recommend it as if I were to purchase it. Most of my customers do not purchase if I recommend them to not buy. It is not a liability to you.
I would not give someone a "thumbs up" to go ahead and buy a car after a PPI. The purpose of the PPI is to just give them the information they need to make a decision. Then you leave the decision up to them. Have a list of what you inspect and communicate that to the customer.
When I did mobile, I never did PPI's. I felt it was not worth an angry customer when something goes wrong that you had no way of predicting. If you were really desperate for customers, then I guess it would be worth it.
I have 3 tiers they could choose from i do it all the time i even do compression checks and check as much as i could i never had a issue with the ines ive done
It's ok but I would create a waiver. You are a mechanic and you are checking if the car is in good mechanical order at the time of inspection. It does not guarantee that the car will not have future issues. People don't know anything about cars and just want to know that there isn't anything obvious that they don't know. You cannot guarantee anything and some seller do their best to try to make cars work well for a short period with stop leak and stuff. I would develop a few high level things you do like inspect fluid for consistency (no stop leak). Previous leak locations. Evidence of cleanup. And then say based on these 5-10-20 or whatever points, this car does not have evidence of significant mechanical issues. You want to be careful taking stuff apart but to accurately inspect it, you need to do something other than just look at stuff. I don't think it's too much to look at the condition of the plugs, brake fluid levels, etc.
Ernest, you are an awesome guy and I enjoy watching your videos. I'm just not sure the juice is worth the squeeze. For me, my mental health and peace of mind supersedes a couple bucks. With that said, I don't like the terminology of the pre-purchase inspection. There's just so much gray area and things that can go wrong. I would rather call it an "assessment" which is a subjective analysis of what you see and report on a form at the moment with the vehicle. What the customer is paying for is the expertise from a mechanic's lens. I would avoid yes or no answers about whether someone should buy or not buy a vehicle.
Never do inspections. #1 You can't find everything and if you don't you're liable to repair it or they can sue you for the price of the vehicle. Not worth the money.
Hi Ernest charge them gas plus 2 hours labor if you do not want to do the inspection. If your busy charge them even more they will find someone else . I know a mobile diesel Mechanic he can pull a diesel engine on the side of the road he is good and he makes bank.
its not worth the liability bad sellers can hide anything..... your smart to be cautious not worth the headache or bad review or.... you could charge your pre purchase fee and the person can get a "discount" if they use you to fix any problems that you see need to be adressed or like hey on these types of cars they usually have these types of problems will need to be replaced etc etc
Nothing wrong with more business. However, it may be worth having a lawyer type up a pre-purchase inspection contract which shields you from liabilities. At least talk to an attorney about it.
But your only inspecting for certain things, doing certain tests, and checking them off a list, your not guaranteeing that there's nothing wrong with the vehicle? I'm not even a mechanic, but thinking it might be a good business to start, make a checklist, of things to check, you can check fuel pressure, look for signs of blown head gasket, inspect this and that, and charge a fee to go out and look at vehicles... I paid a mobile mechanic to check out a vehicle I bought and he didn't even check all that much, but it was better than nothing..
Give a list of items you inspected and a list of items you didn't inspect. Scan the vehicles, thats most of it. Dont give any advice on if they should or shouldn't buy.
So many cars are neglected because humans are stupid, and lazy. I think if it looks like a craigs list POS, then it shouldn't be bought. I have 20yr old cars that I can drive across country because I maintain them. Nothing can make up for regular maintenance.
if they bought the car then its not a pre purchase inspection
It has to be clearly spelled out in the agreement. I am just now getting into mobile mechanic services. People want a reasonably priced PPI because of all the garbage that is out there. I have everyone sign a waiver that I found online through a service that tracks forms. The form requires that the customer electronically initial each paragraph and sign the document before I will touch the car. It basically waives all liability. I also have general liability insurance. I am not a lawyer but I feel less stressed with this document if anything should happen. I haven't done any PPIs but people are asking about it. I would try to find another form with PPI liability waiver language before I do any.
I felt bad with how broad the waiver is but remember a trampoline place waiver I had to sign for my kids to a birthday party. It mentioned "decapitation " 3 times 😮
Can you send a link?
@j.gtheautotech8455 it's called jotform. Google jotform and mechanic waiver for the one I use. Mine is customized with my information.
Is there a link you may be able to give us
I believe a PPI is a great service to offer ! I charge $75 for it in Orange County, Ca as a mobile mechanic. I run a load test on the battery, scan all modules on the vehicle, check the brake pads and rotors, tires, filters cabin and air (yes i unbolt the filter and air intake as well as the glovebox when necessary I always reference all data or Mitchell), check the fluids, belts, window regulators, window locks, wipers, suspension (I lift the car on jack stands and remove the wheels).
I think a pre inspection is an awesome service to provide. Gives people that are t sure what to look for to keep away or its a good buy. Personally for me I inspect the vehicle pretty thoroughly.
When we did them at the shop I was we just made sure to tell them we look it over mechanically and can’t guarantee everything will last.
The battery is dying due to the sliding door, that's why they have to pull a fuse and re insert it to get it working again. Those oddyseys had the electrical gremlins for the sliding doors.
I think you need to have it in writing at the time of inspection with a time date and have a check list and tick off because you can guarantee something may go wrong after the inspection
Detailed inspection. Charge around that $130 mark you’re thinking, but give that level of service as well.
Full computer scan for current and any stored codes. Visually inspect, belts, fluids, brakes, rotors…. Measure pads, measure tires, combustion gas test the coolant, measure coolant for freeze protection, check brake fluid for water (power steering as well)…. Visually look for leaks. Check suspension parts with a prybar.
Document everything and recommend repairs in order of importance.
Pre purchase inspection is also a great way to get more business. You were able to change the transmission fluid. If an O2 sensor is bad, you may be able to charge for that. You could also give them a 25% discount on the inspection if they come to you for any work in the next 30 days. With that many miles, I am sure there is some suspension work needed. You might also offer CarFax report for extra $25.
For a PPI, just have the customer sign a waiver releasing you from liability. It needs to be known that all you can be expected to find are issues present at time of inspection.
I would think that this is a service some people will find very useful and willing to pay you for your experience and time.
I would make it clear what you check (This will be a x-point checklist and visual inspection of the vechicle) to cover main components and bodywork. Also make it clear that you cannot do detailed inspection of components or inspect parts of the vehicle not visible.
You could check the existing service paperwork, do a code scan and take the vehicle for a testdrive.
Your report verbal/ written on your checklist could include comment on condition of components checked on the checklist (e.g. tyre wear and remaining thread, bodywork and underbody damage, colour/condition of fluids, condition of suspension components etc etc).
I would suggest that you give a summary of work you suggest needs done in near future or immediately plus any major issues/concerns.
I wouldn't recommend to the customer to buy/not buy the vehicle and make it very clear in the paperwork that it is a visual inspection that you cannot confirm the condition of components and the inspection does not imply any warranty or guarantee on the conponents or the vehicle.
Most people just want to know does the car seem straight and nothing major wrong with it.... because they don't have the confidence or experience and don't want to spend their money on something with obvious faults.
I am a mobile mechanic as well and offer pre purchase inspections. I charge $150 to do the inspection and will offer to help customers find the vehicle they are after. By helping the customer find a vehicle, I can keep them away from the bad guys and steer them in the right direction. Typically after they are headed in the right direction, they will send me links to the vehicles they are interested in and I will tell them which ones are worth looking at. So far, every vehicle I have helped a customer find has worked out great and the first vehicle we look at is the one they purchase. None of this running all around town business. My customers have had very good experiences purchasing vehicles this way and I recommend everyone get used vehicles checked out before purchasing.
Well as a customer type of perspective, I mean not really a mechanic … I think it’s great to offer this. There are many people that don’t know vehicles and are at risk of getting completely screwed . A good thorough opinion from a trusted mechanic is an excellent service to offer. Now , unfortunately i could see a rare example of a dishonest person that tries to come back after you .. just have a write up agreement and waiver they have to sign . Maybe even an attorney get you a document to protect you . But over all, if someone is paying this, they just want your help and opinion . And you are damn good at what you do Ernest , so I say go for it .
You could provide a list of the items you checked and condition those items appear to be in. Then make clear in writing that items not listed were not checked or were unable to be checked without additional charge.
If I am having a pre purchase inspection done what I'm expecting is the eye of experience spotting something that may not jump out otherwise. I'm hoping to avoid missing anything catastrophically wrong and evaluating general condition of the vehicle. If you have access to any TSBs or knowledge of any known problems to bring to attention, that helps the average person. Generally having a professional poke around instead of myself is a form of protection from blame as well if a problem comes up. A disclaimer that things may look fine but degrade after inspection is a good idea. I've had bushings look fine but break down due to lack of grease and heat causing failure sooner than expected.
You should definitely do pre-purchase inspection’s. The bigger question is, should you really have changed out that transmission fluid? Those odysseys were notorious for transmission issues, especially at that mileage.
My two cents is if it's used then most likely someone is selling it because it has some sort of mechanical issue or suspension issue. Remember most people don't want to get rid of a reliable car I would say most people neglect their cars . If your buying used bring a scan tool scan for codes, check the condition of the fluids. I would drive it at highway speeds for a few miles to test how it rides and runs.
My buddy bought an old accord that was stuck in limp mode. Not sure how he didn't notice that the car wouldn't go over 45mph. Car had a slipping transmission and had almost every code showing on it. Also the car didn't even have the right size battery on it so it was always dying and the tires were pretty much riding on the steel cords. Some people have absolutly no clue when it comes to cars.
It’s definitely a good idea for you to do those inspections as long as you tell them that you’re only telling them what you see, and you’re not guaranteeing any thing for the future. You’re not Nostradamus lol. Also, you look like an honest guy and a great mechanic. I wish you lived in New York take care buddy.
I check everything on a pre purchase inspection all fluids yes that means the transmission and differentials too my last shop even tested the cooling system for hydrocarbons to see if there head gasket was failing and yeah they charged 1 hour and gave us 1.5 to check everything we could. Its really easy to not recommend the car when you find a bottle of power steering stop leak in the engine bay lol
You are capable to do pre inspections. Of course it’s unreasonable for the customer to get a 100% guarantee from you in the little time you get and they will understand that. Must scan tools can give you time since last code clear, I think that’s a great indicator of good health if it’s been a long time
I made this same mistake !!
I bought a 2008 Acura TL with over 200k miles I test drove it and it seemed fine so I thought I was getting a good car turns out there’s a transmission problem only had it for a couple of weeks I don’t think the transmission is slipping there’s no sign of it but there’s a delay when the car upshifts and downshifts and when charging the gear from Park to Drive or Reverse there’s a delay and takes some seconds to engage check engine light came on and D was flashing used a scanner to pull up the code and I got a P0767 shift solenoid valve D stuck on
I think it’s a bad shift solenoid which would explain the bad shifting delay but idk how to diagnose it I’m hoping it’s nothing serious I don’t have the money for a rebuild or to replace the transmission this is my first nice car I bought I’m coming from a 1999 Toyota Corolla I don’t want to do a transmission flush because I don’t want to wash out any metals that’s in there that could be holding friction with the clutch I don’t have any records if the car ever had any service done to the transmission I don’t know what to do
sorry to hear. Hoping for the best! Just baby it! Idk if I would mess with it either. might look at the oil and see if it looks clean or not?
I'm not a moron, so I don't assume a PPI GUARANTEES problem-free ownership. It's a used car, and they are getting rid of it for a reason. It's either someone's love or their lemon.
Id give them a checklist of things you checked. All of my PPIs have been techs looking over the major parts of the car.... Tie rods, ball joints, wheel bearings, and a quick scan to make sure there are no erased or pending codes. It's a used car.
I think PPI's could be good for business. The key will be to have clear language in your contract/agreement that states the PPI is primarily a visual inspection, you can't offer any opinion on components you can't see and that in any case, your inspection is not a guarantee, it is only a report on your findings.
Ppi is always a good idea but must sign a waiver as any vehicle new and used anything can happen at any given moment with no warning at all.
This is a prime example of what to avoid. It's crucial to work with a reputable repair shop that is licensed and insured. Otherwise, if any mishaps occur, you could be held responsible for any resulting personal damages caused by an unlicensed and uninsured installer. If you're paying for a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) for a used vehicle, it's essential to receive an inspection report detailing what's in good condition, what needs attention urgently, and an estimated repair cost. Additionally, the report should include an estimated value of the vehicle. Report maybe you can present to the seller as to maybe he’s willing to pay half the repairs or give you a better deal. This comprehensive information enables you to make an informed decision about whether the vehicle makes financial sense for you. Just a reminder: All sales are final, unless otherwise specified in writing. That's why it's highly advisable to obtain a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) report. This ensures that you have a clear understanding of the vehicle's condition before making a final decision.
A general inspection is great, but every car has specific issues known to the community, its tough to catch everything
I think you should do them like one person commented and have them sign waivers. No one knows when a part will fail. Let them know of that before hand. Good luck
I CHARGE THE 1 HR FEE AND FOR THAT 1 HR I DO A VISUAL AND AN OBD PLUGGIN TO CHECK FOR CODES AND MONITORS.
Thanks for the info! What about opening anything with clamps or bolts to look at the filter or belt or whatnot?
@@RoadsideRescue just a visual. no touchy. remember the car is not ours yet. we still can be responsible for any damages. and at the end of the day..... if all the monitors are complete... that should show that the car/truck must not be that bad if it can complete all them monitors.
@@1shorte4wssj21 bingo! Same
@@1shorte4wssj21 Bro for a 1 hr inspection you should be doing a drive test to check the shifting of the trans and any noises from the engine and brakes. Also its good to check the timing belt along with the visual of the suspension and all fluids. Bro just a visual, geez. sounds like a shade tree mechanic
The oil leak on the oil filter side may be the vvt solenoid pack just need to do gaskets on the filter housing. Those engine mounts have solenoids and vacuum lines too if the mount is broken it will throw a code.. hope it helps
thank you!
I'd say start doing them, but make sure to have some sort of liability waiver, something that says everything looks good mechanically at a first glance, but that its not a guarantee that there won't be problems internally down the road. Get with a lawyer to come up with something if you need that much assurance to go forward with starting to offer this service.
Also sounds like I heard the famous knocking sound from the timing belt tensioner as well.
Is that what that is? I was thinking a little lifter noise
@@RoadsideRescue use a stethoscope and put it around the tensioner area and I bet that's what it's going to be. What brand was used for the timing kit?
I do a pre purchase check , i agree it is a 1 hour fee. I give a critical review of standard maintenance items and i do a scan of the computer stating it only gives an idea of status because anybody can disconnect the battery and fool the systems. I did an after purchase inspection on my girlfriends car that a local dealer sold her and the cabin air filter had more than an inch of dirt and leaves on it and the ac compressor had a bad clutch. They argued on the clutch but it had a warranty for 90 days from them.
Hook a scan to every vehicle you do the inspection on
Looks like a Gen 3 Odyssey with VCM (variable cylinder management). Best Gen 3 years were 2007-10 with the more robust Ridgeline transmissions. Odesseys went downhill quality wise after that with Gen 4 starting in 2011. Gen 5 is even worse. They gotta muzzle the VCM to extend motor mount life, stop oil burn, cam wear and premature cat failure. I used S-VCM Controller device ordered online from a guy in Quebec in my 2007 EX-L. Now at ~340K miles still on original engine and transmission.
I think I would just list things it needs to negotiate a lower price. But I mean just look at the basic stuff. Check all fluid is and condition, tires, any evidence of damage wreck etc lol. After you're done ✔️ just say everything looks good but there's no guarantee it'll last. Things like starters can go bad and hard to check etc.
I have done lots of pre purchase inspections. I have separate forms depending on the level of detail they want and were I get to inspect the vehicle. My crystal ball sucks so there are no guarantees only inspections.
Write up a contract for sure... save your butt!
Just preface it with a disclaimer this is a thorough inspection but isnt guaranteed to find any and all issues.
Transmission on honda you need to warm up the vehicle up to operating temp *fans turn on at least twice* and then shut it off and check within 2 minutes.
Anytime you have liability issues you need to just contact a lawyer. They will write a contract to protect you
Pre inspection is fine as long as you tell customers, buying a 2nd hand car is tricky, buying a 2nd hand appliance,car whatever you don't know how previous owners took care of their car. Catalyctic converter is best to buy original, aftermarket ones usually give a lot of problems, codes that start to hunt you. Have it in writing that you are not responsible for any problems afterwards that may occur and that they are responsible for their choices. In life there are no warranties.
It would be cool to see more pre-purchase inspections.
If the prospective buyer knows the mechanic, there will be no ill will.
If something goes wrong, they both understand.
If an inspection is done for free, that's even better.
As the old saying goes: " If something is for sale, there " is " something wrong with it. "
Gunfights at 'high noon' are presently illegal.
But, some activity has to be created to replace them.
If something is for sale, there is not always something wrong with it. How do you draw that conclusion for all sales?
make them sign a liability waiver, that simply says, you are not responsible for any omissions or errors and that anything that fails after the initial pre-purchase inspection has been done.
i think you should make a general list and offer $40 inspections. The way I look at PPI's, imagine if you were the person buying this car, what would make or break a purchase for you. As a mechanic, you are very qualified to give an opinion on cars.
I was thinking a cheap and expensive option but idk?
Were I used to work, they had a list of things that needed to be checked. After done it was given to the person. That way, if something went wrong afterwards, we at least had something to stand on. During my 13 years, we never had any issues. Just watch your back if your charging for something their is unfortunately a lot of Karen's out their that are ready to sue.
About the video, if you knew the van was dead, you should have had it charging before you started, but not before checking your oil. Inless your looking Over a Harley, which has to be operating temperature, but turned off before checking the oil.
Check if monitors are complete. If they're not let them know the possibilities
All you can do is your due diligence when you look a vehicle over.. how detail the inspection maybe another issue.
But utilizing a set criteria / form to ensure you cover everything you cited to the customer would be a good thing, it would also give you a place to document issues.. but always have a disclaimer with regards to liability.
You can only point out red flags and potential issues..your not clairvoyant so if someone buys a vehicle with a checkered maintenance history you can’t know if or when an issue(s) may arise down the road…advise and document it in the paperwork.
You need to do some scope training N VE analysis that'll save you a hell of time N good confirmation
PPI are a good way to make a few extra bucks. I think you should make up your own checklist sheet (100 points) and perhaps have a number scale for certain important points. Such as you recommend i.e. tie rods to be changed soon but not necessary right now.
Also I would state just your findings and let the customers know that that's what you found. Nobody can predict a cat failing or a tranny taking a dump out of nowhere.
I also similar services for my electrical/heating work and in return they always respect honesty and come back as a repeat customer.
It would make me nervous unless I had insurance for that
You need to talk to those customers like you just talked to us. Make sure you are making no outright promises and that any things can happen in spite of your careful inspections. It’s not a black and white thing and they have know that. Most will understand! If you feel uncomfortable witha particular car or customer just decline the customer. You don’t have a crystal ball. Make they know that.
Offer pre-purchase inspections, but clearly spell it out in the contract that you’re only going to be able to find what is noticeable to a trained eye during the inspection, obviously deep down issues that are either being hidden or are a deeper problem are not going to be found and you’re not liable for that
wait till you see the video about the pre purchase inspection I did... hehe
I do prepurchase inspections, especially during tax season. I have a couple offerings for the inspection based on how far the customer wants me to go with it.
I always let my customers know ahead of time what the inspection does and doesn't do. It does give a good general idea of the overall condition of the car, its major systems, components, and driveability. It isn't a crystal ball that will tell you every single thing a car could have wrong with it. As for the liability issue, you could have folk sign a waiver of some sort. Simple enough to do.
I've adapted my checklist from others I've found over time. At the end, I let my customers know what I find, anything that may be a deal breaker, potential maintenance or repairs, and whether or not the price is fair. You can easily and competitively charge $100 for one. Could save your customers 1000s!
Pep boys does PPI's for $79 and include a free Carfax Vehicle History Report
I would say 100 dollars is good for inspection. I think 150 is way to much to do something like that. Even though I can tell you appear to be a very skilled mechanic, you are just very experience & knowledgable.
From L.E perspective have a written contract.
Thanks!
Wow
Seems like a pre buy inspection would at a minimum includes a safety inspection and systems electrical check then engine performance wear thumbs up or down
I see some more tool box in van , think need new tool tour video 🎉
already filmed coming soon
A pre-purchase inspection is only an opinion as per your knowledge. It is not a guarantee to not blow up or have further problems. When I do these inspections, I recommend it as if I were to purchase it. Most of my customers do not purchase if I recommend them to not buy. It is not a liability to you.
I would not give someone a "thumbs up" to go ahead and buy a car after a PPI. The purpose of the PPI is to just give them the information they need to make a decision. Then you leave the decision up to them.
Have a list of what you inspect and communicate that to the customer.
If car needs timing belt replaced remove $500-1k from price.
When I did mobile, I never did PPI's. I felt it was not worth an angry customer when something goes wrong that you had no way of predicting.
If you were really desperate for customers, then I guess it would be worth it.
I have 3 tiers they could choose from i do it all the time i even do compression checks and check as much as i could i never had a issue with the ines ive done
do the sellers ever have an issue with taking anything appart for tests?
have your attorney prepare the PPI document to release you from any liability...
Yes, dear
100 point and make them sign your thinking to hard on this its simple
good vid
Thank you!
It's ok but I would create a waiver. You are a mechanic and you are checking if the car is in good mechanical order at the time of inspection. It does not guarantee that the car will not have future issues. People don't know anything about cars and just want to know that there isn't anything obvious that they don't know. You cannot guarantee anything and some seller do their best to try to make cars work well for a short period with stop leak and stuff. I would develop a few high level things you do like inspect fluid for consistency (no stop leak). Previous leak locations. Evidence of cleanup. And then say based on these 5-10-20 or whatever points, this car does not have evidence of significant mechanical issues. You want to be careful taking stuff apart but to accurately inspect it, you need to do something other than just look at stuff. I don't think it's too much to look at the condition of the plugs, brake fluid levels, etc.
Ernest, you are an awesome guy and I enjoy watching your videos. I'm just not sure the juice is worth the squeeze. For me, my mental health and peace of mind supersedes a couple bucks. With that said, I don't like the terminology of the pre-purchase inspection. There's just so much gray area and things that can go wrong. I would rather call it an "assessment" which is a subjective analysis of what you see and report on a form at the moment with the vehicle. What the customer is paying for is the expertise from a mechanic's lens. I would avoid yes or no answers about whether someone should buy or not buy a vehicle.
Never do inspections. #1 You can't find everything and if you don't you're liable to repair it or they can sue you for the price of the vehicle. Not worth the money.
Hi Ernest charge them gas plus 2 hours labor if you do not want to do the inspection. If your busy charge them even more they will find someone else . I know a mobile diesel Mechanic he can pull a diesel engine on the side of the road he is good and he makes bank.
good advice thanks
Ernest you should try to get one of those service trucks with a boom on it then you would be rocking.
How can there being no air filter not be a big deal? Wouldnt you want to change the oil for sure?
its not worth the liability bad sellers can hide anything..... your smart to be cautious not worth the headache or bad review or.... you could charge your pre purchase fee and the person can get a "discount" if they use you to fix any problems that you see need to be adressed or like hey on these types of cars they usually have these types of problems will need to be replaced etc etc
You’re rolling the dice with older cars. But if it’s bringing in money you wouldn’t have otherwise, it might be worth the risk.
I think you check Honda ATF level with the engine off.
Oh no, one of those vcm motors. I personally wouldn’t buy that vehicle even for a deal. Maybe for free.
What you plan on doing with those 2 power stations on the shelf by the door ?
Tell the truth what's bad, good and anything odd or out of place
you make them sign a paper that covers you .. simple
easy peasy thanks!
Nothing wrong with more business. However, it may be worth having a lawyer type up a pre-purchase inspection contract which shields you from liabilities. At least talk to an attorney about it.
Thanks! I didnt even think of that! Let someone else worry about it!
I would not do the pre purchase inspections. Just my 2 cents.
But your only inspecting for certain things, doing certain tests, and checking them off a list, your not guaranteeing that there's nothing wrong with the vehicle? I'm not even a mechanic, but thinking it might be a good business to start, make a checklist, of things to check, you can check fuel pressure, look for signs of blown head gasket, inspect this and that, and charge a fee to go out and look at vehicles... I paid a mobile mechanic to check out a vehicle I bought and he didn't even check all that much, but it was better than nothing..
Why did the Battery keep dying?
im sure its weak with all the corrosion around it that i mentioned. wasnt installed well
Give a list of items you inspected and a list of items you didn't inspect. Scan the vehicles, thats most of it. Dont give any advice on if they should or shouldn't buy.
That van is going to have a transmission failure sooner rather than later.
Another VCM engine.... Bad news if they didn't delete it 😢
Oil consumption will be one of the problems with that setup
will keep an eye on that! thakns for pointing it out!
@@RoadsideRescue i believe it's the earlier version that disabled the whole rear bank which causes the issue all over the owner forums
Yeah I knew 05-07 were the main ones. I didn't know it was the whole bank! We may do a delete in the future then!
Next time check for leaks. Under the car. You’re not a mechanic if you don’t even do that
How much are usually charged for inspection?
im thinking an hour to 1.5 at a shop
So many cars are neglected because humans are stupid, and lazy. I think if it looks like a craigs list POS, then it shouldn't be bought. I have 20yr old cars that I can drive across country because I maintain them. Nothing can make up for regular maintenance.