The Hijab Debate: Should Religious Symbols be Allowed in Schools?
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Actually VV is right here......when an institution makes a *rule* about something then we have to abide by the rules if we have be a part of that institution.
That's true but unfortunately those same institutes celebrate hindu festivals and If schools try to celebrate Christmas then some people destroy school property.🤣🤣🤣
@@superr_heroes yes this is true as I have seen this is my younger sister's school....
I thought people went to school for study pata nahi kab log school me religious cosplay karne lag gae.....
Nice😂😂
I feel like jab se Modi government aai h hindu aur muslim jada hi religious ho gaye h.
By VV's logic, you will also ban:
- Christians wearing crosses
- Brahmins wearing the janoi
- Sikhs wearing turbans
Additionally, most colleges in Bangalore don't have a uniform except for mandating collared shirts and trousers and many corporates will allow their employees to wear religious symbols.
@@eclairsliarsdelusional "Brahmins" always looking for an excuse to impose untouchability and caste system smh
We can't ban it, but saying it is a choice is really wrong. People only practice it because of grooming. Any parda prtha is bad and degrading.
@@LoveYourself-my9nz not true. There are adults who willingly choose to wear them. If it's not forced and they have no qualms wearing it, it definitely is a choice
@@vancedadder adults who wear it were groomed in their childhood. If as an adult you were introduced to the concept of religion and you chose to convert to it and wear those religious attires, then yes, we can say it's a choice.
@@veracity5412 you're being presumptuous of adults, just saying
Most of the govt schools in Odisha do celebrate Ganesh puja, Saraswati Puja as it's a Hindu majority 97% state!
Schools mejority hindu peoples too ...if they are not intrested than not to attend. School in Saraswati Pooja nobody force them ....but wearing hijab in school is redicules
@@prasantapandaprasanta8824how it is ridiculous, no one is forcing you to wore it, that's muslim people choice do they want to wear it or not.
@@prasantapandaprasanta8824nothing in my eyes are ridiculous niether the tika nor saari nor kurta. But for someone reason school wants to everyone to wore same cloth an identity kind of thing that's ok
W opinion by Vimoh 💯
I think what VV was trying to say was that ALL religious attire should be banned from all govt schools but if a privately owned school wants to not follow this rule (like madarsas, hindu schools, convent schools) then it is their choice and the parent has the option to not send their child to that school. Which i think is perfectly reasonable. (And yes i am saying banning all ghunghat, bindi, tilak, cross, hijab, bhagwa gamcha etc).
Personally i think their should be freedom to wear whatever we choose but that has many problems too. People from poor families or from religious minorities might feel excluded. People might start flaunting the symbol of their caste like they do on vehicles.
Also I don't quite seem to understand how Meghnad is fine with mandating uniforms in schools because it hides economical conditions of the student's family. But is not ok with banning religious symbols in school because he thinks the mentality of assuming "a person of different religion is bad" is to blame. Can't this be said for the former too ? That the mentality of assuming that "a poor person is less capable or is bad" is to blame. There seems some inconsistency in the logic.
Hijab has overtime become a way of asserting their identity for a lot of women
this is the best argument on the hijab pseudo news
Just because something is part of religion doesn't make it automatically bad. There are wonderful and horrible things in both hinduism and islam. It's totally fine to selectively ban things. I would totally support banning clothes that is symbol of oppression regardless of religion. Hijab can be banned on the ground of it being oppressive.
And Mangal Sutra?
@@vimohliveAre you really saying hijab and mangal sutra is “equally” oppressive? at the same degree?
Probably I’m ignorant but I feel like it’s saying in order to criminalise“Sati” we have to criminalise “islamic polygamy”.
Why existence of one bad practice justifies another terrible practice?
@@Mukesh-oq8dx No it doesn't. But when people from one religion say ban that practice from that religion because it is patriarchal and remain silent on the patriarchy in their own religion, it's not about patriarchy. It's about the religious using patriarchy as an excuse to carry out their religious rivalry.
@@vimohlive I have not been silent, I clearly expressed it in my comment.
to be precise, mangal sutra can be banned if they are using it assert oppressive practices and advocate patriarchy.
But comparing it with Hijab is as dishonest. I gave an example “why”which you ignored.
@@Mukesh-oq8dx It's oppressive because it cements the status of the woman as a possession. Men require no symbol of marriage. Hope that clears it up.
Supreme court's verdict on this matter is crystal clear and something that Vimoh & Meghnad should try to understand. :)
Supreme court’s verdict though legally binding isn’t an ideological standard. The sitting judges themselves differed in their opinion and a split decision was made with 2vs1 majority. They didn’t consider hijab to be essential part of Islam along the lines of turban for Sikhs. People of India have to legally follow it doesn’t mean they have to agree with the said opinion.
Hum rule ko question ni krte 😂
Meghnad is not a good reason why you should not send your kid to a RSS run school
If you want to do it then hijab v pehniye or saraswati puja v kijie nahi karna ho to dono ko hi band kar dijiye.....
How do you compare a saree with hizab ,saree has nothing to do with Hindu religion,it's just a dress which is not even Indian ,also in saree you are not asked to cover your face ,but for Muslims hizab is a part of Islam ,have you seen women all over the world covering their face in burqa or hizab just because their religion asked them to do so ,in this modern world no girl would love to wear a complete black burqa or hizab just because some Muslim scholars asked to them to do so ,this is definitely oppression, otherwise you won't have seen women in black burqa or hizab ,where as saree in no way represent religion,in today's moder world I have seen Hindu girls in temple wearing modern cloths ,I have seen them performing rituals without saree,also even many foreign girls when they visit India they do wear saree as it is just a dress like any other dress ,but I have never seen a non Muslim girl wearing burqa or hizab because these dresses are irrelevant they are sign of religious oppression,how can someone cover their face just because it is islamic
bro these guys are completely brain washed. they mis interrupts difference between culture and religion.
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Vimoh's question was legit that whether he wanted everything ,like all kind of other attires other then just what is told should be prohibited or not and he denied.
Man look there is a school called DAV where I had studied which is based on arya samaj so there everybody irrespective of religion has to chant the morning prayers(mantras) so why put a question on the convent school as I haven't seen any Muslim or a Christian boy/girl been slightly affected with the tradition of the school.
It's the education that matters that is given there regarding the curriculum.
And if you really don't want any religious outfits ,prayers or other traditions then you can't be selective as no means no.
Aur meghnad bhai hindi main bolne ki koshis krie yaar ,samne wala bhi hindi main sawal puch rha hai aur apka wo jawab Jahn apne usse pucha ki rules kyon hai was rational but I think you asked a question rather than answering as I think best answer hta ki bhai agar khin rules hai to sab follow kro aur selective hna nhi chlega eg kuch bhi nhi ka Matlab kuch bhi nhi...
'Na rkho baans aur na bajao bansuri '😅😂
Sir aapne onske pet me dard kardiya 😂
V V ne sahi kaha hai Religious cheej to ban honi chahiye school me ...chahe vo burkha ho ya bhagwa
Aap dhaga tika sindur Mangalsutra ko kapde me count nahi kar sakte ha ye sab bhi wearables hi hain par kapde ne nahi or school me mostly private school me ek particular dress code hota yaha par dress ka matalab tika ya dhaga nahi kapda hota hai or Hizab or bhurkha se aapka dress code puri tarah dhak jata hai... Waise to Maan lijiye ki koi ladka ya ladki ko cap pahnne ka Mann kare, full pant ki jagah jeans pahnne ka Mann kare, ladki ko scarf pahnne ka Mann kare tab aap kya karenge.... Baki jaha cultural function ki baat hai main school or office me iske bilkul against hu par aap koi agar party bhi organise karte ho kisi company me to wo ek cultural function hi hota jaha mostly western dress log pahnte kyuki agar aap saari me gye waha ye kurta pyjama me to log aap par hasenge....
jish tarh Holi pe school me choti hoti hai vayse hi ida pe bhi hoti hai to eshe band karne ki kya jarurat hai har chij ka aapne apne jagah mahatv hai lekin kuch contest me ye galt ho sakta hai to eshka matlab ye to nhi ki ham use bad kar de
Muslim girls wear hijab, because it is wajib i.e necessary but if their is something that is necessary to wear in other religions then we don't have any problem
Are u supporting parda pratha by letting them were hijab in organised sector premises
How is he supporting parda pratha, it's common logic to let women wear as they please, ofcourse you can't come to any institution wearing a bikini but then again bikini and hijab are two different things
@@justsomeone8899 think twice man don't white wash anything if you r real human
@@ranasarangi It's their choice to cover themselves man, it's modest in their view, we can't force down our view of what's modest what's not on them
@@ranasarangiparda pratha is a system right, it's not just clothes but imposition of values through clothing. You will not go out, you will not do this or that else u r a bad woman.
Basically we need to stop imposing our values on other people in this case on women, when we thought parda is good we imposed parda on them, now we think that parda is bad we r taking it away again forcefully.
So where is their own free will in it, in both cases we imposed what we thought is right for women. We r trying to dictate what one should or shouldn't wear just like old days.
@@gamesong6600 muslim kre to unka right aur hindu kre to imposed such hipocrats
Should festivals be celebrated in schools??
Who are we to decide what or what shouldn't a woman wear, it is their choice😊
If the sole purpose of uniform is to remove or decrease the possibility of discrimination, then religious symbology should be a part of it, because it does lead to discrimination.
Teachers shouldn't be allowed to wear them and students shouldn't be allowed to wear them. No matter what it is. No religion should get a pass, unless it is for practical reasons like Sikhism and long hair. It's a practical necessity to wear a turban.
Also, I haven't seen the full video yet but at around 4 minute when you pointed out that the caller had singled out islam, it isn't true. At the very beginning he made it clear that he was taking hijab as an example, but he holds the similar belief for all religions. I love that you are giving atheists like myself a voice in India, but let's be fair please. Your criticism at that point was invalid.
Woh ladkiya Pehle se hijab pehen ke Jaa rahi thi itne saalo se.. Yeh Co troversy BJPEE ne manufacture ki..thise girls actually removed the burkha inside the school during class and wore it back again when leaving.. Has anyone spoken about this?
Why US Human Rights ke activist ko ye sab itne saalo se chala aaraha dikh kyun nhi rhaa
@@ranasaranginahi dikhenge. Ye librandu hi hai Jo bharat tere tukde honge jaise naaro ka samarthan karte hai
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School me nahi pehen na chahiye..... Uniform ka matlab hi kya hai fir
Muslims never say to non muslims about wearing something or not but rss hindu always want force their religion and culture on people.
No hijab is not a sign of oppression. You can see even in western country a lot of muslim woman wear hijab because they want to wear it .. Imagine wearing saree is seen as a oppression by a french woman.. Because she never wear a saree in her life and based on her POV it is too much dress in summer season.. As they are comfortable wearing short dress in summer. Did a common indian married woman comfortable of wearing it in summer, If the french woman see it as a oppression . Dress is a cultural thing and a matter of choice. 🙂
It should not be imposed
If the indian woman wants to wear saree at will , we should respect her decision
But if she says that henceforth she won't be wearing saree or go to temples or wear mangalsutra or follow any religious rituals cause she doesn't want to do it , and wants to follow western dressing style , her decision should still be respected
The society should not impose it on her or compel her to abide by the rituals
@@Nickel287yes
How do you compare a saree with hizab ,saree has nothing to do with Hindu religion,it's just a dress which is not even Indian ,also in saree you are not asked to cover your face ,but for Muslims hizab is a part of Islam ,have you seen women all over the world covering their face in burqa or hizab just because their religion asked them to do so ,in this modern world no girl would love to wear a complete black burqa or hizab just because some Muslim scholars asked to them to do so ,this is definitely oppression, otherwise you won't have seen women in black burqa or hizab ,where as saree in no way represent religion,in today's moder world I have seen Hindu girls in temple wearing modern cloths ,I have seen them performing rituals without saree,also even many foreign girls when they visit India they do wear saree as it is just a dress like any other dress ,but I have never seen a non Muslim girl wearing burqa or hizab because these dresses are irrelevant they are sign of religious oppression,how can someone cover their face just because it is islamic
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Yes....but they judge the one who is not wearing hijab.... don't judge if u don't want to be judge.... personal choice... liberty
It appears that by allowing hijab, we are giving freedom to practice their religion, but case of Iran should also be considered that in future hijab may get enforced on girls and then there will be no choice for them.
My friend is teacher in a school in Bihar and most Muslim girls are covered head to toe, only eye can be seen and it became difficult for him to know if they are understanding subject. Surely we don't want to go that path and make all school look like this.
I can only laugh on your argument 😂
@@Samresponds you can laugh, but I am concerned about India's future. Do you want to see school where girls wear nakab? Earlier situation was not like this, Muslim women used to wear moderate clothes like any Indian women, then people started going to Saudi for work and they learn Saudi culture and when husband came back they started enforcing nakab. It is gradual process first start with hijab, then nakab only eye and hand can be seen then complete cover even eye hand can't be seen.
@@Jibreel-jt1qh if a muslim women want to wear hijab it's a problem but people' are doing puja in every govt and private school then the country is safe 🤣
@@Samresponds how Puja is related to safety? You can wear whatever you want but there is no need to cover face. It is the worst this that a woman is forced to cover head to toe and woman is brainwashed to think that allah want them to be covered head to toe in black cloth. If such environment is created where most woman wear nakab then it become difficult for other women who don't want to wear as they will also for forced to wear. Iran is good example, there again hijab enforcement started, now there is no choice. So don't make a choice that in future you won't have any choice.
@@Jibreel-jt1qh if I feel scared a women with sari then she will remove it , that the bullshit argument you are making and you are saying if a women who do the hijab then she is brainwashed what about those women who wear western clothes and follow western beauty standards even are performed surgeries for look like them and wear uncomfortable heals they are not brainwashed hahaha.
It's Allah guidance it's called belive not brainwashed.
This was not a discussion, just two people counter questioning the questioner😂.
By the way I too believe there should be liberty for choosing whatever clothing one wants to wear. However, this could have been deliberated to VV in a better way then it was delivered.
No wonder he was not satisfied with arguments put forth by Vimoh and Meghnad.
Thanks.