Baroque, classical and modern violin bows-an introduction. Lisa Grodin, baroque violin.

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
  • Virtuoso violinist Lisa Grodin takes you on a musical tour of the violin bow from the early seventeenth century to the present, with musical examples for each bow.
    In the time of Bach, Handel and Vivaldi, the instruments were different than they are today. One of the important differences in the baroque was the bow used to play string instruments. We have also made a companion video about the baroque violin: • Baroque violin and mod...
    Although bows change through time, we do not say that they "evolve" or are part of music "evolution" as each bow is ideal for its time, and each period of music has the same level of artistry and imagination.
    With over 300 million online viewers, Voices of Music is one of the most popular classical music groups in the world. Subscribe to our channel and please consider a donation :)
    www.voicesofmusic.org/donate....
    0:00 Introduction
    1:11 Early 17th century bows: Monteverdi or "dagger" bows.
    1:52 18th century baroque and sonata bows: Corelli, Bach, Handel
    2:08 The transitional bow: Beethoven
    2:47 The transitional bow: Mozart
    3:01 The modern violin bow
    3:25 François Tourte and modern bow design
    4:15 Musical examples with historical bows, starting with the 17th c.
    5:19 Eine kleine Nachtmusik on a Mozart bow
    5:34 Beethoven played on a Beethoven bow
    5:55 The sound of the modern bow
    #baroquebow#violinbow
  • เพลง

ความคิดเห็น • 107

  • @fordhouse8b
    @fordhouse8b 11 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    As someone who knows nothing on this subject, it would be interesting to hear the same piece played with all bows to hear the difference the v

  • @joltran3276
    @joltran3276 5 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Are we gunna act like she didn't just go supersaiyan in the intro?

  • @srinitaaigaura
    @srinitaaigaura 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I thought that a huge difference comes from the way you played chords and rolling arpeggios with those old bows. They were soft, but the chord action was deliciously light and ringing - you could play those effortlessly. A modern bow, for all it's advantages literally crashes down like a hammer on old baroque chords and sometimes even causes the strings to squeal, not to mention that you have to break too many chords at times. All modern violinists struggle with Bach for example, in a way that baroque violinists don't.

  • @BBL.Soldier
    @BBL.Soldier 5 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    "This is a modern bow" *drops bow on strings and has a stroke*

    • @starwarsguy123ful
      @starwarsguy123ful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Havoc Error.exe violinist not found

    • @georgettewolf6743
      @georgettewolf6743 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely a comment of great note...

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I thought what she played was quite brilliant, very difficult, and improvised on the spot.

    • @MrGlbert1999
      @MrGlbert1999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@VoicesofMusicyeah I agree don’t listen to these hate comments I loved the video ❤

    • @sirspongadoodle
      @sirspongadoodle หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrGlbert1999 it isnt "hate comments" you just need to develop some toughness

  • @jazzysk8rgirl
    @jazzysk8rgirl 8 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    That Intro though 👏👏

  • @user-do5hd7zb4x
    @user-do5hd7zb4x 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very Impressed. Enjoyed so much. Please save for further study. Thank you Miss Grodin!

  • @takimitsu
    @takimitsu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    i would love to know what 2set thinks about the intro

    • @hotdogseven9589
      @hotdogseven9589 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sacreligious

    • @kushalaluru9552
      @kushalaluru9552 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      vicky robins why is it sacrilegious, this is violin history, just because it sounds cool doesn’t mean it applies to any unconventional violin situation.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Party!

  • @3Sphere
    @3Sphere 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Absolutely Delightful....! :) And very interesting.

  • @laurencelance586
    @laurencelance586 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are a joy to watch and listen to. And your explanation of the different types of bows is fascinating.

  • @1cleandude
    @1cleandude 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job Lisa and wonderful playing too!!!

  • @mt7754
    @mt7754 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You’re amazing, Lisa! And great bow skills!

  • @mradaChris
    @mradaChris 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was absolutely amazing. Different bows produce different colors from the same violin!

  • @mexheix
    @mexheix 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this is so awesome.

  • @anisometropie
    @anisometropie 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    You need make these videos available for community contribution, so i can add some french subtitles.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great idea, thanks.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This video is now available :)

    • @colin-qb9zj
      @colin-qb9zj 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      anisometropie Benihime really

  • @henktiemensma742
    @henktiemensma742 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    perfect explanation

  • @FineViolinBows
    @FineViolinBows 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice demonstration on the different bows and their intended purposes.

  • @VoicesofMusic
    @VoicesofMusic  11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    w00t! Exactly right!

  • @VoicesofMusic
    @VoicesofMusic  10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yes, best to pair the modern bow with the modern violin.

  • @monimaktub
    @monimaktub 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @wuillymay8815
    @wuillymay8815 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you 🙏🏽

  • @dagoelius
    @dagoelius 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Insane technique.

  • @VoicesofMusic
    @VoicesofMusic  10 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Less than a Ferrari :)

  • @Petroschristidis
    @Petroschristidis 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice presentation ! :-)

  • @pjhirsch
    @pjhirsch 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!

  • @StephanieHughesDesign
    @StephanieHughesDesign 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome.

  • @coolbunnyred
    @coolbunnyred 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Schooled me! Thanks :)

  • @100crowns6
    @100crowns6 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting. Of all the varieties of baroque bows,is the one which could be considered as a 'mainstream' bow ,that is a bow which takes care of all,or most music of this era?
    There are bows of Corelli,Biber,Vivaldi etc etc.... Where does we start?!?

  • @Michael-bv1wz
    @Michael-bv1wz 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lisa, can you plz make a video for helping on bow bouncing ? I am learning and trying to cure the problem. I wanna know whether my bow is correct as in whats the point of balance of the bow? perhaps it matters if it is too light towards the point compared with the frog end. Thanks for the video very informative

  • @Baroque-Handel
    @Baroque-Handel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Also a VoM request. A nice HD close up of Bach bwv 1003 Andante would be awesome to see/hear it in it’s original Baroque style. Thanks.

  • @mustrumentology9312
    @mustrumentology9312 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This lady is so amazing and beautiful!

  • @AriannaCunningham
    @AriannaCunningham 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When she was playing the Violin with the Modern Bow, All of a sudden the Violin was tuned to A = 440Hz.

    • @zauber620
      @zauber620 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was a different violin ;) she used the same baroque violin for all other bows and then switched to a modern violin for the modern bow.

  • @henrypagan6657
    @henrypagan6657 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow nice what you doing,

  • @collamcparland8744
    @collamcparland8744 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi, Thanks for clarifying the different types of bow,, it really helped. I was wondering what piece was played on the 17th century bow?

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Paul's Steeple, from John Playford's Division Violin (London, 1685).
      th-cam.com/video/XcrYuDP_eG8/w-d-xo.html

    • @collamcparland8744
      @collamcparland8744 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks!

  • @gordonanderson458
    @gordonanderson458 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    exceptional, thankyou! would also be interested in the strings you use ? ... would love a discussion of what strings are a viable alternative to catgut, for baroque playing.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Gordon Anderson Silk is the best alternative to sheep gut.

    • @alfonsoatkinson1
      @alfonsoatkinson1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Voices of Music name of the pieces please!!!!! :)

  • @alexchong7308
    @alexchong7308 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting

  • @heatervis4050
    @heatervis4050 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Хорошее наглядное объяснение.
    По-русски эта палочка называется СМЫЧОК.
    Будьте здоровы!

  • @dorphmusiker3715
    @dorphmusiker3715 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    May I ask, from which period it is "allowed" to use vibrato? She did it with Corelli and I was a little bit confused.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Vibrato dates from the middle ages. Many different types of vibrato are documented as an ornament (not "always on") from the baroque period.

  • @LeoNiehorster
    @LeoNiehorster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish she had played the same piece on the same violin, but with the different bows to demonstrate the differences.

  • @_____c___482
    @_____c___482 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where can I buy a baroque viola bow?

  • @joaoflores5769
    @joaoflores5769 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    please!What were the songs that she played? Voices of Music

    • @ThePianiolist
      @ThePianiolist 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Beethoven was his Op. 18 No. 4 , His c minor quartet

  • @Baroque-Handel
    @Baroque-Handel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Last question...i just bought a Baroque bow after watching these vids and attending a concert in San Fran. I know this somewhat subjective, but how tight do you make the hair? Tight enough to almost touch the stick when pressure applied or fairly tight so the stick is slightly convex? Thanks.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Best to ask a baroque violinist who can see your individual bow, but, in general, not too tight.

    • @Baroque-Handel
      @Baroque-Handel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Voices of Music thanks...so it shouldn’t look like the Golden Gate bridge. Thanks.

  • @vinar7dave
    @vinar7dave 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    (y) Wow!...Wonderful Sis.Lisa...keep up the good works!..share more your GOD given talents..let's transfer it to the next generation...life is short...Thanks a lot!...GBY MORE!

  • @albertkim7803
    @albertkim7803 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are SO Good! You are know some thing....!!!

  • @AJJ129
    @AJJ129 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did we tend towards the modern bow? Also what makes one bow good for one thing or style over another bow?

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can more easily sustain the sound at the end of the bow. It's like a bowl cut or a layered cut. The earlier bows are a bit better at turning the corners.

  • @beraulgd3662
    @beraulgd3662 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Is she making fun of Ben Lee with the modern bow,
    XD lol

  • @MrHikinhu
    @MrHikinhu 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:37 what is the name of this piece?

  • @Baroque-Handel
    @Baroque-Handel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do Baroque bows slightly bend to the right to hug the strings fir chord work...or is my bow just slightly warped? 70’s bow I just picked up. Thanks.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Should not bend to the right. Sometimes they can be steamed straight, but if it is from the 70s..........good luck!

    • @Baroque-Handel
      @Baroque-Handel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, these educational vids are icing on the cake and a bonus to the performances.

  • @stoic1962
    @stoic1962 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Realise this is quite an old thread. When comparing different bows for different periods and composers, Bach is a notable omission. Similar on other TH-cam videos on the same topic.
    What type of bow would you use of solo Bach?

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All of the information is detailed in the description and time codes. Click on "more" and you will see Bach at 1:52

    • @stoic1962
      @stoic1962 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So it is! I listened for it but missed the written info. Thanks for the reply. @@VoicesofMusic

  • @thijmenkrijgsman2417
    @thijmenkrijgsman2417 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wich bow need to be used to play Vivaldi?

    • @MiNameisJager
      @MiNameisJager 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Preferably a baroque bow

  • @ShirleyKirsten
    @ShirleyKirsten 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fabulous.. I am trying to reach you... re: one of my students

  • @colin-qb9zj
    @colin-qb9zj 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    first part Ben li would mash the like button

  • @dylanchristensen7716
    @dylanchristensen7716 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why are the bows of the baroque said to be around the 18th Century?

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Traditionally, the end of the baroque period ends with Bach, Handel, Telemann and Vivaldi. These composers lasted until 1740-1760, and flourished in the the first half of the 18th century. You can extend the baroque somewhat if you include the early works of CPE Bach, although by 1754 you really start to see a change in musical style.

  • @azulyrojo89
    @azulyrojo89 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    she change the violin in the beginning she was using an baroque violn and then in the final she used an modern violin too

  • @bw2082
    @bw2082 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish you would play the same piece so we can hear the difference the bow makes

  • @dallionesty
    @dallionesty 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello. nice sound when you play. what is the title of Beethoven you play on this video?? help. hihihihiiiiii

    • @MikkoUtevsky
      @MikkoUtevsky 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's the opening of the string quartet Op. 18 no. 4 in C minor.

  • @gaafailok3719
    @gaafailok3719 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So different bow produce different sound or are they have same sound, I can’t tell

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's a different sound.

    • @darrenbreeze2065
      @darrenbreeze2065 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's also much easier to play the music with the suitable bow.

  • @volknerbat7303
    @volknerbat7303 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    U have a smiley face too

  • @MiLaDoB
    @MiLaDoB 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:30 minute? Name of Mozart peice please?

    • @quintennnnn
      @quintennnnn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She mentions it: Eine Kleine Nachtmusik

  • @michaelmoss267
    @michaelmoss267 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:25 BEETHOVEN

  • @gelaymanheyres7916
    @gelaymanheyres7916 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the French bow...Lord of the Ring❤❤🎉🎉

  • @jasminhacker7243
    @jasminhacker7243 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    She looks like this one wizard from Harry Potter some how 😳 😅

  • @fate9888
    @fate9888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s like wands in harry potter

  • @FrancelloItaly75
    @FrancelloItaly75 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beethoven - String Quartet No.4 in C minor, Op.18

  • @fordhouse8b
    @fordhouse8b 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...the difference the bow has an a particular piece of music.

  • @Mabusesato
    @Mabusesato 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    inizio alla Richard Benson

  • @jockellis
    @jockellis 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bet she could play any piece with any bow. These bows will cost more than most Ferrari won't they?

  • @stellajacobson231
    @stellajacobson231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Carbon fiber: does not brake
    Me: has a carbon fibre bow w a sever crack close to the tip.
    So it is possible to break a carbon fiber bow, probably not as high of a risk as it is w damaging a wooden bow

  • @happyhomelesshomesteaders158
    @happyhomelesshomesteaders158 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So stay away from modern bows 🤓