Upon reflection I worded this pretty poorly. I think my stance now is that Blizzard should have dropped the S6 trailer and also told us about Talent Trees together in their own release (and seperate from starwatch stream). So, yeah, pretty much walking back what I said originally.
The last guy's point is that Blizzard shouldn't have even hinted at PvE back at that first Blizzcon with Jeff in 2019. His point is that they should have kept their hand hidden instead of spilling it all over the table and then spending the next 4 years playing 52-card-pick-up like they are now.
If you leave a ranked game, count it as a loss. If your duo/stack member leaves, the entire duo/stack gets a loss. Don’t punish me because Timmy on maccas wifi DC’d
The tank and support tip are real, you absolutely get more rewarded for playing for aggressive and looking for damage in support because all of the tools and insane cooldowns the role has; The tank tip is also really good, just play more reactive and less aggro, if the enemy tank pushes or commits to something that's when you start doing shit until then just play conservative and wait
The only truly awful thing about the comp system is that it refuses to derank any substantial amount. I think I am 20-70 -ish win/loss across all roles this season and the furthest I have dropped on one role is maybe 2 divisions cumulatively. I don't think I have made it to 5 wins a single time but it refuses to pull me down to silver/bronze where I need to be. It's not fun to sit down and play for 3 hours and go 1-7 where the only win was a DC on the other team. I know I'm shit, let me play with the shit players. I'm having to essentially grind losses for weeks just so I can get to matches where I can actually play the video game. Update: Currently 60-130 and have finally deranked to gold 1/2. It's taken me some 50 hours, but I think I'm finally close to where I should be placed in mid-low gold.
I’ve kinda had the opposite for a while. Went 35-2 over 5 placements. Started gold 3 ended gold 3. Masters lobbies but gold rank. I eventually climbed to diamond 1 then went 5-2 then 5-1 and dropped to diamond 5. I still keep getting put into master/gm lobbies and end up with 1-12 or something along those lines and stay at diamond 5. So idk what the matchmaker is smoking
9:51 god I remember Playing defense on the last point of kings row and our whole team just went torb putting our turrets up and spamming armor packs in the middle of the point and winning with that. you know, back when torb had the armor packs that'd give you 75 temp armor and his ult would upgrade his turret to a lv. 3 tf2 sentry
Omg that just sent me back lmao lv3 turret, symmetra was a support and had 6 turrets, and reaper got "life orbs" when he killed someone. I loved getting a 6 stack of all syms and making the ultimate car wash 😂
Did that last dude think that season 6 would drop and no one would notice that talents and character progression are gone? He'd make a good PR director!
You misunderstood. He was saying those things should have never been announced to begin with. If we don't know a feature was planned, no one will be upset if the unknown feature is cancelled.
Ok then it was very poorly worded, but yeah they never should have announced all of that back in 2019. The only reason they probably did was because the last Blizzcon was a shitshow thanks to Diablo Immortal.
That first take, all the people in chat saying supp or dps when they're literally watching Flats of all people. You can win with a bad dps, you can win with a bad support, but a bad tank is an autoloss.
To expand on flats point about slow tank: The game play has become the first person to die on either team means that team loses the team fight (all things being equal). So playing slow means you're giving them more time to get impatient and mess up. If the tank IS just walking into you uncontested that means the dps isnt applying enough pressure to the tank. It's counter intuitive because everyone says dont shoot the tank, but a tank without pressure will roll your team. Edit; after typing this comment flats followed it up with correcting that mentality lol. Dont shoot the tank applies to dive comps mainly. Ignore the horse, kill the supports. If youre not dive then yeah, blow up the tank
that may be true in gold and above but if you think standing around and waiting on your dps to kill anything is going to work for you in bronze/silver youre tripping
@@mohamdb8273 you really cant, different characters have different jobs within their respective roles in overwatch. If a brig gets less healing than an ana because theyve been protecting them do you punish the brig for that? If a mei doesnt have as many elims as the other dps but their walls and ultimates have been great do you punish her for that? It just doesnt work because people will play kill hungry and not for the team.
What can Zen do in OW2? He is the goat of Rocket League and has no playtime of OW2.... Unless he plays ir secretly. But idk if Zen can defeat tanks... Hes mentality is on Rocket League... so....
13:02 I'm pretty sure what he's saying here is that if the PVE hero mode had never been advertised people would be pretty happy with the content we have. People were begging for an overwatch campaign for years, but because Blizzard promised more at one point, the campaign is no longer enough for people.
I'm a support main a brig main at that and I feel supports are too strong in the wrong places .I don't think brig is broken but the way you play her isn't how you'd think by looking at her . She looks like she should always be in the middle of the fight brawling but nope everybody gets mad if we do that so we sit back with the other support and just have inspire up .I think almost all of the supports never a soft to hard rework cause is almost as fun as tank right now.
I agree. Supports are pretty busted in a lot of situations. Bap and Kiri can save you from certain death and are a scary 1v1, ana and zen can bully the tank with discord, anti, and sleep to the point they can't play, brig can flip a fight with an instant armor buff and stun, mercy can turn an even dps match up into favoring her DPS in pretty much every situation and rez. Sound barrier had insane instant shields, boop can be punishing and he has really good unrestricted mobility. Supports are really strong when you understand how to play them and I don't really think a lot of the abilities are fair or fun to play against
As a brig main right now or maybe in general, I find that doing a bit of swinging and a bit of hanging tends to balance the damage and healing stat, while delivering a likable efficiency on the team. For example, if you can get away with free damage or maybe even a kill, you should definitely do it so long as you can heal your teammates and get away without dying.
@@julioichayo1063 he's ass lmao. Pull and platform can be useful but he's outdone by pretty much every support. He's better off using platform mostly for himself and his pull can troll hard. He's strong imo except in very specific situations so I don't find him important to mention. A flanker has a better chance killing a LW than a kiriko spamming at head level with suzu
"Blizz shouldn't have said anything about the PvE changes." that's a great idea! for the short-term. afterwards, when it actually comes out and people realize they've been 90% lied to...
10:40 another reason why this bot glitched through the wall: This particular wall is bugged. You cant make a walljump with hamond to do a slam as exampel.
13:55 Why is Flats saying “That’s kinda gross. You’re just like ‘Slip it in there and hope they don’t notice’? Like… ew” the most replayed part of the video?
That person in chat is right on the money. If "my team is the reason I'm stuck." Then, by that logic, you're the reason your team is stuck in [insert rank here].
That support tip is honestly true about maining damage, that’s why I’ve mained Moira since ow2 release, I always use orb heals and always use her left click, sometimes I push their support and tp out, most of the time it works, I’ve killed the whole team 2 times in one game by myself just with Moira alone. I pretty much only use her damage orb when they’re in buildings or I throw it around a corner. Or for a tank mitigating, because it goes through the shield. Moira tips for the day 🕺
I think the easiest solution to the "SR forgiveness," not losing rating when some one leaves. I totally get Flats' take, and the people who want it. Why don't we just make it so only the leaver and whomever they're grouped with lose SR. That way you're not negatively affected by leavers unless you're playing with them and dodgers can't get cheap boosts. Both ends win
@@Rukatu2137ok and the person that leaves gets time out increased and can’t keep leaving, I don’t understand how that will be an issue maybe one or twice until it became high time outs
@@GetGoodSweetie but you don't get the same teammates every game, if you had 3 bad tanks in a row, and everyone will leave so you won't lose SR you will have advantage, and they will just have short timeout bcs that wasn't their game/day
@@Rukatu2137 if you make the penalty really big after 3 times this won’t be an issue, this is how apex does it and no one leaves. Make it reset per week and not per day. Anything will be better in my opinion. You also lose the equivalent to SR x double by leaving
@@GetGoodSweetie you got a point, but it only slow down this kind of people who I mentioned before. Imo they should give max 5 leaves from ranked per season (with penalty still, don't worry) and make matchmaking better
Yeah they were going to have to say that skill tree pve was canceled sooner or later and if they waited till the story mode came out it would have been way worse
I feel like I get the guy who was talking about not telling us about Overwatch 2. If they had phrased it simply as making some serious quality of life changes and adding PvE, I doubt the disappointment would've been as big compared to them revealing everything they wanted to add before barely implementing any of it.
1:34 even if this really was a 'valid' example, it's still a case of "here's one specific moment that goes against that. anyway, you're wrong now because of this." this is like, 10 seconds of a match being used to say "it is always my teams fault I'm stuck at the lowest possible rank!"
If they did what that guy said to do and just dropped the PVE I would've been way double livid they held out this long and didnt tell us before the patch
12:00 One of the rare times I disagree with Flats. The guy has completely legitimate point. In business, managing client expectations (what you say/don't say) has a major impact on perceived success of the project. I like transparency, but there's genuine reasons for not saying anything until things are set in stone (Nintendo for example), vs giving WIP sneak peaks (Blizzard). Everybody wants transparency, devs love sharing their work, gamers love seeing behind the curtain. But, hyping up your audience with an early WIP is such an easy way to set yourself up for failure. This probably sounds like I'm some sort of Blizzard fanboy, but just someone that's seen (and been a part of) client expectation mismanagement that put projects in positions where they can't succeed.
13:46 The point this guy was trying to make is that if Blizzard hadn't announced talent trees and other features and instead _just_ announced PvE, while not revealing specific features that could be removed at a later point, people wouldn't be as mad about the current PvE situation because there would've been fewer/lower expectations.
4:04 so tired of that bullcrap. Flats said that when YOU leave the game, your server side MMR doesn't change and it's good, bc you don't want to be punished for dc. Here he says you should be punished for your teammate leaving, bc it can be abused. Hello? Anyone home up there?
8:51 I feel like if your supports have to be constantly healing, you’re bad. You’re not using cover, you’re out of position, you’re trying to flank & duel but you’re getting diff’d. Otherwise, your whole team is getting rolled.
if anything they should've probably told us SOONER, like as soon as they knew they weren't gonna do it?? why lie to us especially about something we'll have to pay for?
What bugs me is that they knew before OW2 even launched that PvE wasn't gonna happen, yet they led us to believe that's what OW2 was supposed to be about. We got jebaited.
My biggest gripe with the new rank icons is that the higher tiers AREN'T SHINY!!! I'm so glad I hit diamond in OW1 so I could at least open my profile and see that shiny badge, or enter a game and see everyone with shiny badges. The new icons are all dull and GM AND PLAT LOOK ALMOST THE SAME.
the reason for the wall thing is knockback+your s key i was playing ana into a lucio and he knocked me through the way when i was on like 25 hp and saved my life lol
the guy saying they shouldn't have talking about PVE skilltrees wasn't saying they shouldn't have said they were dropping it but not to announce it in the first place to get our hopes up for nothing
On overwatch 1 i was plat/ diamond. Ow2 season 2 i hit silver on all roles, gold on season 3 and have finally made it back to high plat this season on everything except the counterswap minigame heros 😂
My friends very first comp game was against diamonds. He doesn't even play support and he got ranked in plat 5. Does playing your first 50 unranked games increases your mmr
just track who is on a team with others and punish the leavers in the team? punish leaver harshest, punish teammates as well. you can check to see if they were grouped on entering.
13:45 No, the take was that they never should've announced PvE the way they did and promised all they promised in the first place. They never should've announced it in the first place if it was never gonna happen anyways. That's what that take was saying. If they never announced PvE with a full campaign and skill trees and all that jazz and just dropped OW2 as it was dropped, then added THIS style of PvE in Season 6, OW2 would've ended up being a much better game. That's what that take is saying
I would say that the best thing to do is for a teammate leaving is just to count it as a draw for the team who had the leaver. Even if said team with the leaver wins, count it as a draw. The team who has the full team, count it what it is (they lose they lose, they win they win). Have the leavers get a harsher punishment like a longer suspension than just 15minutes-1 hour. Yes, the system will still be abused and allow boosting, but it will moreso act like you just didn't have a match, wasting your time rather than feeling bad about something you couldn't control and getting a loss. Lower ranks already have a ton of leavers, so it's not like this changes anything for said leavers, heck, it would be worse on them because they will have to wait longer to get back into the game to find a match. Of course, this is just for solo queuing, where having the leaver be unintentional for the rest of the team (aka, the team who stays behind were not part of the reason nor wanted it to be intentional). If this was for groups, this would be a hard no because it would be intentionally abused.
Bro, the quick play matchmaking is still messed up. I was playing with a friend (we both high gold to mid plat across our roles in comp). Somehow we got a Moira who JUST INSTALLED THE GAME. Litterally didn't understand they could move for most the game while using abilities and attacks and also tried to suck and heal people from behind walls and 5 meters away. In the same match the enemy team had 1 masters player and 1 grandmaster player. Wtf.
If OW added a solo/duo ladder or made that the ranked ladder I would probably play comp and then do like League and have a flex/stacked queue on the side.
The guy that was talking about the announcement of PVE was clearly trying to say that blizzard should never have announced the talent based version of PVE and should have instead just dropped the PVE they're doing now. It's a great strat as gamedevs an example would be No Man's Sky's dev team dipping for a few months while just working on the game and suddenly dropping massive updates without any announcement and it saved their game. He wasn't stating that blizzard should bring out the trash PVE after revealing the talent based PVE but instead that they should never have said anything about it in the first place. If you look at games such as GTA or Dark Souls, very rarely do they make teasers for their games which in turns means there's no hype train before anyone gets their hands on the game so in turn they won't be upset when the game doesn't reach their overly hyped expectations. Valid take, OW community is just too ready to flame anyone even if it was a slight misunderstanding, and honestly no one can blame them because the dev team from Activision-Blizzard is doing a really terrible job managing the expectations of their community and it shows.
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The guy in chat who said "New Blizzard CEO coming in" to the guy who said to keep quiet about talent trees isn't wrong...
I think what the guys take was that instead of getting people hyped about something they planned to drop to just not say anything would be better
Upon reflection I worded this pretty poorly. I think my stance now is that Blizzard should have dropped the S6 trailer and also told us about Talent Trees together in their own release (and seperate from starwatch stream). So, yeah, pretty much walking back what I said originally.
@@GallusOW ok that makes a lot more sense
The take that blizzard should have never said anything about PVE and just dropped it was one of the most burnt cooked takes I’ve heard
Bro didn't just burn it he cremated that shit
That wasn't even what he was saying. His take was that if blizzard didn't announce OW2 and talent trees back in 2019 people wouldn't have been as mad
@@ploffsthat's not at all what he was saying
@@TylerXC91 That is in fact what he was saying
@@S0UPIE I didn't hear any of those words come out of his mouth. It was even remotely implied. He was not saying it.
The last guy's point is that Blizzard shouldn't have even hinted at PvE back at that first Blizzcon with Jeff in 2019. His point is that they should have kept their hand hidden instead of spilling it all over the table and then spending the next 4 years playing 52-card-pick-up like they are now.
You play "mental support" if everyone is yelling at each other and calling each other bad.
If you leave a ranked game, count it as a loss. If your duo/stack member leaves, the entire duo/stack gets a loss. Don’t punish me because Timmy on maccas wifi DC’d
exactly, seems like a very simple solution, sure you could say that people could queue snipe but that's kind of unrealistic to be doing consistently
people could just leave stack in the game, so it doesnt really work
The tank and support tip are real, you absolutely get more rewarded for playing for aggressive and looking for damage in support because all of the tools and insane cooldowns the role has; The tank tip is also really good, just play more reactive and less aggro, if the enemy tank pushes or commits to something that's when you start doing shit until then just play conservative and wait
The only truly awful thing about the comp system is that it refuses to derank any substantial amount. I think I am 20-70 -ish win/loss across all roles this season and the furthest I have dropped on one role is maybe 2 divisions cumulatively. I don't think I have made it to 5 wins a single time but it refuses to pull me down to silver/bronze where I need to be. It's not fun to sit down and play for 3 hours and go 1-7 where the only win was a DC on the other team. I know I'm shit, let me play with the shit players. I'm having to essentially grind losses for weeks just so I can get to matches where I can actually play the video game.
Update: Currently 60-130 and have finally deranked to gold 1/2. It's taken me some 50 hours, but I think I'm finally close to where I should be placed in mid-low gold.
I feel you man 👊
???? I go 5-3 and derank twice
consider one of the following:
Play better bc it sounds like the game believes in you
Play worse and show the game its beliefs were misplaced
I’ve kinda had the opposite for a while. Went 35-2 over 5 placements. Started gold 3 ended gold 3. Masters lobbies but gold rank. I eventually climbed to diamond 1 then went 5-2 then 5-1 and dropped to diamond 5. I still keep getting put into master/gm lobbies and end up with 1-12 or something along those lines and stay at diamond 5. So idk what the matchmaker is smoking
Probably better off just playing quickplay at that point lol
9:51 god I remember Playing defense on the last point of kings row and our whole team just went torb putting our turrets up and spamming armor packs in the middle of the point and winning with that.
you know, back when torb had the armor packs that'd give you 75 temp armor and his ult would upgrade his turret to a lv. 3 tf2 sentry
Omg that just sent me back lmao lv3 turret, symmetra was a support and had 6 turrets, and reaper got "life orbs" when he killed someone. I loved getting a 6 stack of all syms and making the ultimate car wash 😂
Did that last dude think that season 6 would drop and no one would notice that talents and character progression are gone? He'd make a good PR director!
You misunderstood. He was saying those things should have never been announced to begin with. If we don't know a feature was planned, no one will be upset if the unknown feature is cancelled.
Ok then it was very poorly worded, but yeah they never should have announced all of that back in 2019. The only reason they probably did was because the last Blizzcon was a shitshow thanks to Diablo Immortal.
The fact that a top 500 player also cant keep track of how often support interactions change speaks volumes.
I've always said there should be 2 queues for ranked. remove open queue and turn them into solo only queue and team queue.
That first take, all the people in chat saying supp or dps when they're literally watching Flats of all people.
You can win with a bad dps, you can win with a bad support, but a bad tank is an autoloss.
To expand on flats point about slow tank:
The game play has become the first person to die on either team means that team loses the team fight (all things being equal). So playing slow means you're giving them more time to get impatient and mess up. If the tank IS just walking into you uncontested that means the dps isnt applying enough pressure to the tank.
It's counter intuitive because everyone says dont shoot the tank, but a tank without pressure will roll your team.
Edit; after typing this comment flats followed it up with correcting that mentality lol. Dont shoot the tank applies to dive comps mainly. Ignore the horse, kill the supports. If youre not dive then yeah, blow up the tank
that may be true in gold and above but if you think standing around and waiting on your dps to kill anything is going to work for you in bronze/silver youre tripping
This guy was talking about having to play 5 games before you see a new rank change, instead of a game by game rank/SR change. We need that back.
Yep just revert it to SR plus rank like most logical ranking systems
Exactly + they need to start considering individual stats in rank as valorant does
@@mohamdb8273 you really cant, different characters have different jobs within their respective roles in overwatch. If a brig gets less healing than an ana because theyve been protecting them do you punish the brig for that? If a mei doesnt have as many elims as the other dps but their walls and ultimates have been great do you punish her for that? It just doesnt work because people will play kill hungry and not for the team.
@@Aggelaki777 potg farming haha
@@khaledm.1476 lmao imagine
"my teamates are the reason im bronze" proceeds to healbot the dced rien instead of actually making an impact on the game
come on man kephri was just the first person who came to my head LOL
Don't shoot the tank they won't die
Zen: are you sure about that
What can Zen do in OW2? He is the goat of Rocket League and has no playtime of OW2.... Unless he plays ir secretly. But idk if Zen can defeat tanks... Hes mentality is on Rocket League... so....
@@alexandermendoza4890 ....what?
@@alexandermendoza4890 so true
13:02 I'm pretty sure what he's saying here is that if the PVE hero mode had never been advertised people would be pretty happy with the content we have. People were begging for an overwatch campaign for years, but because Blizzard promised more at one point, the campaign is no longer enough for people.
exactly
“Slip it in there and hope they don’t notice…” lmao 🤣
I'm a support main a brig main at that and I feel supports are too strong in the wrong places .I don't think brig is broken but the way you play her isn't how you'd think by looking at her . She looks like she should always be in the middle of the fight brawling but nope everybody gets mad if we do that so we sit back with the other support and just have inspire up .I think almost all of the supports never a soft to hard rework cause is almost as fun as tank right now.
I agree. Supports are pretty busted in a lot of situations. Bap and Kiri can save you from certain death and are a scary 1v1, ana and zen can bully the tank with discord, anti, and sleep to the point they can't play, brig can flip a fight with an instant armor buff and stun, mercy can turn an even dps match up into favoring her DPS in pretty much every situation and rez. Sound barrier had insane instant shields, boop can be punishing and he has really good unrestricted mobility. Supports are really strong when you understand how to play them and I don't really think a lot of the abilities are fair or fun to play against
You are the bain of my existence. But in a good way
@@kibi_112I like how you didn't even bother talking about LW lol
As a brig main right now or maybe in general, I find that doing a bit of swinging and a bit of hanging tends to balance the damage and healing stat, while delivering a likable efficiency on the team. For example, if you can get away with free damage or maybe even a kill, you should definitely do it so long as you can heal your teammates and get away without dying.
@@julioichayo1063 he's ass lmao. Pull and platform can be useful but he's outdone by pretty much every support. He's better off using platform mostly for himself and his pull can troll hard. He's strong imo except in very specific situations so I don't find him important to mention. A flanker has a better chance killing a LW than a kiriko spamming at head level with suzu
I was in no limits with my friends and we all went ball on CP
Then the enemy went all D. Va
I swear, it was like a 20 minute match
That wasnt a DC,
You can easily tell at the end when he starts moving normally. That is normal low level games where someone is always throwing.
This dude is the “Well Acshually 🤓" meme, but with the discord mod build.
Honestly had no idea baps alt fire healed more on direct hits but it makes sense. I'll start doing that now.
Flat's explaination on how to properly play tank reminds me of how you play League of Legends... LOL
Did not know about Bap! Thank you flats for being a great teacher~ we learn alot from your videos
"Blizz shouldn't have said anything about the PvE changes."
that's a great idea!
for the short-term. afterwards, when it actually comes out and people realize they've been 90% lied to...
10:40 another reason why this bot glitched through the wall:
This particular wall is bugged. You cant make a walljump with hamond to do a slam as exampel.
13:55 Why is Flats saying “That’s kinda gross. You’re just like ‘Slip it in there and hope they don’t notice’? Like… ew” the most replayed part of the video?
My supports: we’re not healers we’re supports.
Me: then support me from dying.
Didn't know bap heals more with direct impact and I have been playing since season 1 lol
That person in chat is right on the money. If "my team is the reason I'm stuck." Then, by that logic, you're the reason your team is stuck in [insert rank here].
Flats 2023
2:50 "Bap's healing does less damage when.."
That support tip is honestly true about maining damage, that’s why I’ve mained Moira since ow2 release, I always use orb heals and always use her left click, sometimes I push their support and tp out, most of the time it works, I’ve killed the whole team 2 times in one game by myself just with Moira alone. I pretty much only use her damage orb when they’re in buildings or I throw it around a corner. Or for a tank mitigating, because it goes through the shield. Moira tips for the day 🕺
I think the easiest solution to the "SR forgiveness," not losing rating when some one leaves. I totally get Flats' take, and the people who want it. Why don't we just make it so only the leaver and whomever they're grouped with lose SR. That way you're not negatively affected by leavers unless you're playing with them and dodgers can't get cheap boosts. Both ends win
If I remember correctly flats said something about teams who would blame 1 person, so they leave so the rest won't lose SR.
@@Rukatu2137ok and the person that leaves gets time out increased and can’t keep leaving, I don’t understand how that will be an issue maybe one or twice until it became high time outs
@@GetGoodSweetie but you don't get the same teammates every game, if you had 3 bad tanks in a row, and everyone will leave so you won't lose SR you will have advantage, and they will just have short timeout bcs that wasn't their game/day
@@Rukatu2137 if you make the penalty really big after 3 times this won’t be an issue, this is how apex does it and no one leaves. Make it reset per week and not per day. Anything will be better in my opinion.
You also lose the equivalent to SR x double by leaving
@@GetGoodSweetie you got a point, but it only slow down this kind of people who I mentioned before. Imo they should give max 5 leaves from ranked per season (with penalty still, don't worry) and make matchmaking better
Awkward and Flatts need to stop telling supports to DPS more i’m tired of getting Moira‘s on my team
The dumpster fire that would’ve came from Blizzard just staying quiet on PvE would’ve been insane. What a bad take lmao
Yeah they were going to have to say that skill tree pve was canceled sooner or later and if they waited till the story mode came out it would have been way worse
I would 100% prefer to be told what is and isn't coming to a game then there just be radio silence.
overwatch needs to get into contact with scrubdaddys pr department they release the most ridiculous but unironically entertaining promo material ever
I feel like I get the guy who was talking about not telling us about Overwatch 2. If they had phrased it simply as making some serious quality of life changes and adding PvE, I doubt the disappointment would've been as big compared to them revealing everything they wanted to add before barely implementing any of it.
Easy answer to the rank loss when someone leaves is if you queue together and one of you leaves the other still gets rank loss
1:34 even if this really was a 'valid' example, it's still a case of "here's one specific moment that goes against that. anyway, you're wrong now because of this." this is like, 10 seconds of a match being used to say "it is always my teams fault I'm stuck at the lowest possible rank!"
This dude really just said "all the hard work we do" about playing a video game. 😂
Tell me why I didn't know bap healing did more on hitting the target
😅
That Bap was legit doing the same thing as the DCd Rein XD
I just learnt that tip just by playing Zen and just completely kicking the shit out of my enemies. It was glorious.
When you queue into a GM lobby and your team is all running platinum/diamond challenger titles
Am I the only oldie here remembering 5 monkey 1 lucio comp?
If they did what that guy said to do and just dropped the PVE I would've been way double livid they held out this long and didnt tell us before the patch
That last clip made my day XD
12:00 One of the rare times I disagree with Flats. The guy has completely legitimate point. In business, managing client expectations (what you say/don't say) has a major impact on perceived success of the project. I like transparency, but there's genuine reasons for not saying anything until things are set in stone (Nintendo for example), vs giving WIP sneak peaks (Blizzard).
Everybody wants transparency, devs love sharing their work, gamers love seeing behind the curtain. But, hyping up your audience with an early WIP is such an easy way to set yourself up for failure. This probably sounds like I'm some sort of Blizzard fanboy, but just someone that's seen (and been a part of) client expectation mismanagement that put projects in positions where they can't succeed.
Not me in bronze not knowing that hitting people with bad Heals did more
so big dps, regular dps, and lite dps now lol. I like it
13:46 The point this guy was trying to make is that if Blizzard hadn't announced talent trees and other features and instead _just_ announced PvE, while not revealing specific features that could be removed at a later point, people wouldn't be as mad about the current PvE situation because there would've been fewer/lower expectations.
Okay about the rank not forgiving leaving. They could just do leave forgiveness for solo ques maybe?
An easy fix to boosting with a smurf duo leaving in a losing game is to make people in a group with the leaver still lose SR
In the new prop hunt game mode WHY CAN I FLOAT IN A TREE Ive honestly been abusing the mechanic for free prop wins
4:04 so tired of that bullcrap. Flats said that when YOU leave the game, your server side MMR doesn't change and it's good, bc you don't want to be punished for dc. Here he says you should be punished for your teammate leaving, bc it can be abused. Hello? Anyone home up there?
Really said matchmaking is good when I'm queuing against GM's and my best ever rank is diamond ll
i was in gold 3, went 5-0, de-ranked to silver 1, went 5-2, ranked up to gold 5
2:50 Sorry but since when did Bap healing do less "DAMAGE" when you hit the ground
8:51 I feel like if your supports have to be constantly healing, you’re bad. You’re not using cover, you’re out of position, you’re trying to flank & duel but you’re getting diff’d.
Otherwise, your whole team is getting rolled.
you might be the best but your the best tank in my heart flats keep charging in my guy
i’m unaware of ow league people so when i heard Kephri my slow ass brain went to Smite Kephri 😂😂
Nobody:
Flats: *Unironically*
if anything they should've probably told us SOONER, like as soon as they knew they weren't gonna do it?? why lie to us especially about something we'll have to pay for?
I think the guy was saying that they should of never announced the skill trees not say nothing about removing them
Seeing Ram on Volskaya looks so cursed
Matchmaking might be okay out of metal ranks, but down here it's miserable.
No hes saying dont hype up PvE and just take the alligations
13:57 "just slip it in there and hope they don't notice? Like...ew"
What bugs me is that they knew before OW2 even launched that PvE wasn't gonna happen, yet they led us to believe that's what OW2 was supposed to be about. We got jebaited.
Am I the only one that thought if you shot at your feet with baps healing you would heal yourself aswell?
Why do the balance team for Overwatch still have their jobs???
My biggest gripe with the new rank icons is that the higher tiers AREN'T SHINY!!! I'm so glad I hit diamond in OW1 so I could at least open my profile and see that shiny badge, or enter a game and see everyone with shiny badges. The new icons are all dull and GM AND PLAT LOOK ALMOST THE SAME.
Overwatch players when their RANKED system feels like how a RANKED system is supposed to feel : 🤢
the reason for the wall thing is knockback+your s key i was playing ana into a lucio and he knocked me through the way when i was on like 25 hp and saved my life lol
on the topic of the first vid, you may not be the best tank but you are certainly one of the more entertaining ones to watch.
Don’t tell to not shoot anyone if I’m playin junkrat. Shields run scared from me
I love these videos keep up the amazing roasting 😂😂😂
5:23 thank you for getting that person off the screen. Ew.
Edit: nvm you brought it back.
tbh just have something like league, solo/duo, and then Flex (solo,duo,Trio,fullstack)
the guy saying they shouldn't have talking about PVE skilltrees wasn't saying they shouldn't have said they were dropping it but not to announce it in the first place to get our hopes up for nothing
@10:28 The guy on the video (not Flats) says secret,but the subs say lie. Anyone else noticed this? XD
On overwatch 1 i was plat/ diamond. Ow2 season 2 i hit silver on all roles, gold on season 3 and have finally made it back to high plat this season on everything except the counterswap minigame heros 😂
Nah rank inflation goes crazy, I was low plat tank in OW1 and now I’m master, I have not gotten better
My friends very first comp game was against diamonds. He doesn't even play support and he got ranked in plat 5. Does playing your first 50 unranked games increases your mmr
just track who is on a team with others and punish the leavers in the team? punish leaver harshest, punish teammates as well. you can check to see if they were grouped on entering.
10:38 Honestly Zens leg is the best ult in the game
How did they lose a fight to the bots. That's the true mystery
I’m sorry it heals MORE if you hit the target on bap
13:45 No, the take was that they never should've announced PvE the way they did and promised all they promised in the first place. They never should've announced it in the first place if it was never gonna happen anyways. That's what that take was saying. If they never announced PvE with a full campaign and skill trees and all that jazz and just dropped OW2 as it was dropped, then added THIS style of PvE in Season 6, OW2 would've ended up being a much better game.
That's what that take is saying
Unfortunately sometimes that’s not from DCing… but lol @ his aim
I would say that the best thing to do is for a teammate leaving is just to count it as a draw for the team who had the leaver. Even if said team with the leaver wins, count it as a draw. The team who has the full team, count it what it is (they lose they lose, they win they win). Have the leavers get a harsher punishment like a longer suspension than just 15minutes-1 hour.
Yes, the system will still be abused and allow boosting, but it will moreso act like you just didn't have a match, wasting your time rather than feeling bad about something you couldn't control and getting a loss. Lower ranks already have a ton of leavers, so it's not like this changes anything for said leavers, heck, it would be worse on them because they will have to wait longer to get back into the game to find a match.
Of course, this is just for solo queuing, where having the leaver be unintentional for the rest of the team (aka, the team who stays behind were not part of the reason nor wanted it to be intentional). If this was for groups, this would be a hard no because it would be intentionally abused.
Team with a leaver wins = draw makes absolutely no sense
I'm ngl, I didn't know bap did more healing when he directly hit someone, granted, I haven't played actively since 2018, but y'know.
Bro, the quick play matchmaking is still messed up. I was playing with a friend (we both high gold to mid plat across our roles in comp). Somehow we got a Moira who JUST INSTALLED THE GAME. Litterally didn't understand they could move for most the game while using abilities and attacks and also tried to suck and heal people from behind walls and 5 meters away. In the same match the enemy team had 1 masters player and 1 grandmaster player. Wtf.
The bastion pick reminds me of OW 1 season zero 6 torb defense on 2cp
If OW added a solo/duo ladder or made that the ranked ladder I would probably play comp and then do like League and have a flex/stacked queue on the side.
The guy that was talking about the announcement of PVE was clearly trying to say that blizzard should never have announced the talent based version of PVE and should have instead just dropped the PVE they're doing now. It's a great strat as gamedevs an example would be No Man's Sky's dev team dipping for a few months while just working on the game and suddenly dropping massive updates without any announcement and it saved their game. He wasn't stating that blizzard should bring out the trash PVE after revealing the talent based PVE but instead that they should never have said anything about it in the first place. If you look at games such as GTA or Dark Souls, very rarely do they make teasers for their games which in turns means there's no hype train before anyone gets their hands on the game so in turn they won't be upset when the game doesn't reach their overly hyped expectations. Valid take, OW community is just too ready to flame anyone even if it was a slight misunderstanding, and honestly no one can blame them because the dev team from Activision-Blizzard is doing a really terrible job managing the expectations of their community and it shows.
i mean you could just make it so if your partner leaves you also leave automatically and get the same penalty