10:32 This misunderstanding could have been avoided by quoting Ephesians 4:26-27 26 “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. i.e., These verses do not forbid anger but warn against allowing your anger to lead you into sin.
Exactly, when listening to the full thing the other day I sat through that whole focus of discussion losing my mind that nobody brought up this Ephesians verse 😂 It’s really not that complicated of a subject matter and St. Paul lays it out very direct and simply.
@@thomasstuart6861 It starts when you get into a relationship. It starts when you start talking to each other, it starts when you first notice each other and take interest. It starts from childhood, how you were raised and your relationship, healthy or unhealthy, with the parent of the same and opposite sex. People may not challenge each other directly, although many still do which is a good thing in my estimation, but in the very act of selecting or rejecting each other we challenge ourselves to be more desirable. It's also why people generally do not have the same selection criteria for a fling they _know_ is a fling and for a long-term relationship. By definition, selection criteria constitute a standard and any standard constitutes a challenge. I hope this answers your questions.
@@thomasstuart6861 Challenges appear to be a fact of life. The challenges started long before we were even conscious or aware or existed in my opinion. However, if you’re talking about challenges in relationships, life brings them to humanity all the time. Establishing roles and responsibilities are of high importance - which the west is losing. Many cultures generally accept the roles and responsibilities of male and female as a physiological fact of life. This makes marriage somewhat easier for those who recognize and understand this fact, at least initially.
‘The final battle between the Lord and the kingdom of Satan will be about Marriage and the Family.’ 'Don't be afraid, because whoever works for the sanctity of Marriage and the Family will always be fought against and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue.'
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Jesus said "Your holiness must surpass that of the Pharisee". He also said "If you're angry at your brother, it's like there is murder in your heart" He also said "be holy, as your Father is holy". If you read the context of Jesus' words, he TOTALLY condemned lust.
The issue with Prager’s view is twofold: 1. The concept of lusting after a woman in your heart is not unique to Christ. Jesus is simply reiterating what is already stated in Proverbs 6.” As well as a verse in Job. 2. Even within the Hebrew 10 commandments, the word for covet is actually two different Hebrew words (why many traditions split the commandments into 9 for coveting possessions and 10 for coveting a neighbor’s wife). Covet wife (Hebrew word “chamad” to delight in), and covet belongings (“avah” desire).
Good points, although it's unlikely Dennis is ignorant of the Hebrew syntax and distinctions your mentioning. He could be playing dumb of course but that's another issue. Dennis point is contextually sound however as Christ is certainly extrapolating and expounding on the law. I'm not disagreeing with you by the way.
So, is your point that,as Jesus did when he said hating ones brother is liable of murder,so also he is adding,or revealing a way previously not realized, a way in which one could violate the commandment on adultery? Maybe a restriction God in is omniscience waited to reveal until Christ? And that Jews prior to Christ wouldn't have seen the commandments and had a problem with lust, or realized it's illicitness?
Prager is missing the focus of Jesus's statement. It's towards the heart, which goes deeper than just the action. The sin does not start at the leaf or bud, but at the root. It's not just that we act on unrighteous behavior, but this is a direct consequence of kindling and inciting unrighteousness in our imagination and in our spirit.
Jesus' priority was always about heaven and eternal life. That was always His focus. Later when He gets questioned about divorce by two Pharisees, he stresses that what God brings together let no man separate and that if you cannot accept this, you should become like a eunuch for the sake of heaven. Lust was taken very seriously. Jesus' saw no loopholes with it. Sinful thought is sin.
Moreover, who can say that he will retain lust and not go and commit adultety physically ? I mean entertain the lust in your heart and mind about a woman and be sure that you he will not go on and commit it ?
Prager is wrong for a lot of reasons. Jesus is not merely addressing in Matthew 5:28 “covetousness”, but is literally addressing lust (longing) itself. The same word (epithymēsai) is used in Matthew 13:17, and in Galatians 5:17 (desire). He is also completely disregarding the apocalyptic nature of the speech itself, where lust in general would prove counterproductive and transgressive except in the confines of marriage (Paul- better to marry, than to BURN).
These days with the technology we have, to avoid the temptation to sin in this way has never been so difficult, particularly the way young women now present themselves on social media platforms.
Social media is harmful for your mental health in more ways than you can count. Covetousness is but one of them. Free yourself of the temptations. Excise social media from your life.
It is the same verb that is used for the Septuagint in the Old Testament. "I and the Father are one." Jesus was just backing up his dad 😌 I hope Mr Prager realises Jesus is the same God he loves and worships 😭🙏
Tis episode points out one of the major failings of the church in the last 100 years. Christians must get angry at evil and be prepared to call it out and stand by the truth. It is in fact an act of love.
Thinking about His wider statements about love, and that He never said that natural desire was in any way sinful, it seems clear that he meant that forming a sexual desire for a woman without love for her is a violation of the law of love which He did state is the way to discover and know the truth of ourselves.
Or entertaining the sexual desire once there and pursuing it rather than just acknowledging it as the biological reaction but not putting it into any kind of high place
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I listened to the Exodus podcast that Jordan did and recall Dennis Prager defending watching porn - he was saying it’s okay because it’s in your mind and God just cares about your actions…. Something to that effect. And now I listen to this and hear him chirp right up and try to reason his way around lust being a bad thing. I’ve lost respect for that dude. I think What God is really after is our heart. He is holy and he calls us to pursue righteousness and holiness.
It's sad that Dennis seems to be saying all male sexual desire or erotic experience is fundamentally and automatically lust. Lust is basically objectification - sexual desire that disregards the value and dignity of the person, makes them an object of use. Lust is a sin because it's a misuse of the human faculty for sexual desire (which is made for self-giving love). It's a mistaken act of the mind. The Theology of the Body work by John Paul II is the truest thing I've ever come across in terms of "solving" sexuality. It's too bad there wasn't a Catholic who was well-read in TOB there to bring it into the discussion. Look up Christopher West if you're interested in this topic.
Jesus is setting things on a higher spiritual plane. How the Father looks at morality in it's maximal form. Even if you think about another woman, you've committed adultery. Thank God that Jesus lived that perfect life for me because I would be screwed.
Christ's teachings on lust are twofold: first, it answers inquiries on what standard to achieve, on this particular topic, to call oneself pure and worthy of acceptance in heaven; second, and logically ensuing understanding of one's position in comparison to Christ's standard mentioned in the first point, it explains why one needs God. To me, this is so powerful.
The law was to show us that we could not rise to God's standard. What Jesus was doing was showing that even those who thought they were keeping the law, they could not even begin to keep God's law. We are not able to keep the law. We NEED a savior!!
The look thing is absolutely ridiculous. You can't force your own body to shut off its hormones or turn your thoughts off everytime you're around someone attractive. It's literally a biblical rule that's impossible to do 😂. Like seriously it's ridiculous beyond belief. This is an example of why so many people are losing their faith. The church needs to start being more realistic. Doing something and thinking something are obviously different. You can't stop your thoughts but you can prevent yourself from doing things.
Yes, people here are quick to pile on Dennis but he makes a perfectly sensible distinction in the line between INTENT, and a completely involuntary reaction. It’s like anger. Anger is natural, human and understandable- what you DO with that anger is for instance what several of the 10 commandments prohibit. Like shmurder. In the opening, Peterson reads, “if your eye CAUSES you to sin”… my thoughts are not sin. I have not acted them out, broken any law. The bible if rife with advice on what to DO with your thoughts that burden you, pray, give them to God etc, nowhere in the Bible does it say don’t THINK these things. Therefore, thinking, lustful thoughts is like thinking violent thoughts, or reckless thoughts. How you act, is what’s important.
@@fawkesandhound It's not only how you act, it's how you intend to act and how resilient you are in the face of temptation. To circle back to Jordan's initial point, if you would act to take your neighbour's wife away from him but the opportunity never presents itself then it is as though you've done the deed. It's only if you wouldn't give in to the temptation that you've claim to virtue.
Anger as feeling is only a sign or symptom of a state of being. How one chooses how to use the energy in anger is the issue. If the energy is used in a decision to love, perhaps saving another's life may fit. Only God knows that motivation.
The KEY for this is in the prior verses about Anger vs Murder ... Adultery "in your heart" is as murder in your heart via anger -- thinking is NOT the same as doing but Jesus adds to not let these things enter into your heart... So there's a line to resist crossing btwn frustration/anger and attraction/lust
Look into circumcision. I believe he is referring to cutting off excess sin flesh along with spiritual circumcsion. Letting old cursed things go to be made new. Just like new wine into new wine skins. If you want scriptures let me know and I will give them. Remember 66 books are all included. also remember Jesus spoke in parables. Comparisons. Context is all 66 books. 3:59
Thank you Dennis lust in Matthew 5 is the word for covet looking at the Septuagint [which is Greek back to Hebrew cf. Ex20:17]. Also, the other lust is a different Greek word cf Rom. 1:26. There are other passages one could consider. These are the two obvious.
Well he is Jewish so it’s probably good to have some opposing viewpoints and other scholars to question the text and be able to break it down it different ways.
You can reinforce your thoughts and minimize risk of bad thoughts through repetition and allowing yourself to experience resonance for good things. Essentially, to me, religion is the way to get that inner thought ‘gooder’. You can call that thought your soul. Which if you’re interested in controlling your actions through reason, you may learn enough to control your thoughts through purposeful behavior. You may then say: why not do that with stoic virtues without God? Maybe you can do that, but for me, knowing God is there turns my stoic virtues to life under the virtue of love and patience and understanding. Stoic virtue is like Mind (for me through curiosity and intellectual passions). Religions help the soul (for me through grace and consistent warship). Exercise is Body (for me martial arts and consistent stretching and light body work). It’s a commitment, but that’s how you are chosen. And if you want to help others more, the more you have to work on those three things: Like cultivating a garden and God is with you helping you. Each good thought a seed for later fruit which is all reinforced with loving hope. Even for me, I am aware of the subjectivity yet allow it into my soul, to which it augments and makes me better aware and capable and willful.
I wish Jordan Peterson could make a series of studies on the book of Job and the indescribable beauty of pain. I couldn’t help but think of Job when they said God shows anger towards evil; but when the devil asked God permission to take everything away from Job, he gave him limited, nonetheless, he gave him “access” to hurt Job in a profound way….. I am not here questioning God whatsoever, I am simply deeply interested in getting to know Him, his ways of thinking and develop a personal relationship with Him. I believe there is such depth into the book of Job, and nobody has ever gone beyond the surface….. I think Jordan Peterson and this wonderful group of men sitting at this table could “unveil” some of the “hidden gems” inside it.
What happens then to the Catholic Church that raped and sold and murdered women and children for decades?? And to those that knew about it, aren’t they just as guilty?
Jesus is the G.O.A.T. (Greatest of all time)... if only we were all like him in Moral Stature...this world would be Paradise! My lord and Savior who is the PERFECT Role Model for Men and Women NOT THESE Lie'n, Immoral, Materialistic, Money Worshipping IDOLS OF MODERN SOCIETY (Movie Stars, Musicians, Rappers, Athletes, Politicians, Scientists, Corporations, Pharmaceutical Companies, Royalty etc)!!!! Don't believe in God? That's yer choice. If you don't want to be with him he won't force you. He gave a clear warning to everyone. Whether you or I choose to listen is up to each of us. BUT the result will still be the same.... You and I will eventually Die and when that happens we will be judged and one of two outcomes will happen. Either you chose to spend eternity with our creator OR YOU chose to be spend eternity away from God. Look at the mess our World is in from turning against God. The only reason why it's not entirely hell already is because of God's intervention... there is a reason he destroyed the Old World in a Great Flood (because evil was everywhere and in the hearts of people all the time).. Good luck spending an eternity away from all that is good. Men and Women's Morals are lacking without God. Look at what Doctors do to kids now... Claimung Surgery can somehow change your sex. Cosmetics Surgery of Genitals or there removal does NOT change your biological sex! No, PEOPLE cannot become a cat or dog... eternity with that?!?! NO THANKS!
I don't think it's a good idea to call him a goat I get what you're saying but the greatest of all time isn't a goat but a lamb..the lamb of God...have you read that Jesus will send goats to hell in Matthew 24
@Yazziza I purposefully separated each letter with a period so it was an obvious acronym and even spelled out each word. I don't see him being upset being called the greatest of all time. But I am sure he will let me know when I stand before him 🤔
I think to look at someone lustfully, looking with the purpose of desire, is a lie of sorts. Your focus becomes what you want or need out of a person, which can cloud your judgement. It also strips a person down to a single factor, in this case appearance, which is an insult to the totality of someone's being. If you truly *wanted* somebody, you'd want to get to know them, you'd want to somehow win them over and sacrifice all other possible partners to be with them, to accept them in their fullness of being. Only wanting one aspect of them closes you off from the reality of their Being and equates to a lie
erotic effect vs lust is different. there is active choice in lusting after. Its to do with " you cant help birds flying over your head but can prebent them making nest on your head"
Lógos and agapè, love wisely. It is precisely the true meaning of philosophy. Philosophia, which is love of wisdom but also wisdom of love, is wisdom and love (although philia is not agapè).
There is something missing that Paul touches on in chapter 13 of 1 Corinthians. It does not matter what you do if it lacks charity (divine love). If one is angry for any other reason than love (charity) for others - they have failed (it does not benefit). Without benefit it becomes a force for evil.
IMHO. I think lust and adultery are ignited in the heart. Especially in today’s society Do we shake off that ignition and forge ahead. Or do we act upon it. Say a prayer and forge ahead. Ask God for help. One thing I’m very guilty of is watching questionable tv I think that can definitely add to intrusive thoughts that we should hate
I would have stopped them from hurting you. I am not perfect but if you don't understand pity by now then you've lost forgiveness for yourself. They can't beat you. Only life can beat you so do what you want to do and let it go.
The amount of sexualized content being fed into our brains today versus woman being fully clothed , veiled and modestly dressed back then is something to consider
If God says eating pork is a sin. Planning to eat the pork in your head is the same as doing it in your heart. But feeling hungry at the sight and smell but dismissing the physical urge to eat is no sin
If you're married and stay connected physically, emotionally, and spiritually, there’s no reason to cheat. It’s the responsibility of both partners to maintain that bond. I know some married couples who admire others but remain faithful to each other.
In response to the rabi who said... "uh I don't want to get in trouble like...... ...... you see we religious people we have to be real otherwise they won't take us seriously" Luke 16:15 "You take care to seem right in the eyes of men, but God sees your hearts: and those things which are important in the opinion of men, are evil in the eyes of God."
"Was there anyone other than your wife who wanted to sleep with you? If the answer is no then your virtue is irrelevant..." Respectfully, that one seems to miss the mark a bit. If you have the ability to convince a woman to sleep with you (like basically 100% of all married men do); let's say you can flirt but don't even do that, let alone attempt to seduce another woman or put yourself into a situation where that's a temptation, out of respect for your wife, and therefore don't have women lined up wanting to sleep with you... that's still virtuous and far from irrelevant, isn't it? JP is easily one of the most intellectually gifted of our age; that either went over my head or he missed a shot for once.
I've seen Jordan make this point a couple times and I think the point he wanted to make is: If you turn into such a terrible person so much that no woman would ever find you attractive again, then there is no merit in not sleeping with them. I don't think he was trying to attack people who do their best not to get tempted. If you have to avoid possible flirt situations then that means those situations actually are available to you which means you are an attractive enough person and do have merit for avoiding sin.
@@victormartins43 Definitely - I agree, I'm sure it wasn't an attack, just a slightly off-the-mark statement. The only thing we may differ a bit on is, I'd say that if you avoid situations where flirtation and seduction could be a temptation for you (as a loyal husband), that's virtuous, full stop. Whether you're attractive and know it or not. Even the least attractive husbands would be exercising at least some virtue in that case, because there's pretty much always a chance, however small, for even the least attractive -- it's not as much as an NBA player who remains faithful despite women throwing themselves at him constantly I suppose, but certainly the virtue or the former is still far from irrelevant. Unless maybe JP is talking specifically to the 2 or 3 married men on the planet who managed to convince one woman to marry, but have since become so ugly and detestable in every way that they don't have a shot at any other woman ever. I guess it could be irrelevant in that case, but... I don't know, that would apply to like .00000001% of married men or something crazy like that; I don't think it would merit any attention in a conversation like this.
It went over your head, because most women except for super ugly ones are very picky, and strict with wanting to have sex with most men except for the top 20% earners. Come on now, we all know most men can not find women to want to have sex with them like that. which you those who go outside more seen 90% men tried hard, married, single, and get rejected. Only once in a blue moon or so, hence why they married women that miraculously do. We all know men like this... So what Jordan said is very relevant
I, of course, appreciate the different perspectives and the dialogue between people of different backgrounds in this series. However, as a Christian, it is definitely sad to see Prager opposing Jesus and siding with sin. He is, however, obviously a very smart man with the capability to understand the truth. One can't help but think of the Pharisees who rejected Jesus.
The wrath of God is not primitive, primordial, or uncontrolled. It is a sense of urgency that seeks restoration of the original beauty of creation but without completely eliminating all aspects of free will in the process. Human anger is competitive because no human can possibly have an absolutely unchangeable advantage over another. God’s advantage is unchangeably superior. God’s anger is not based on fear of any outside threat. God awards punishment to gain us a better perspective within our own free will … to understand his power and his grace that encompasses our temporary state existence. To sit here and say that human anger is not necessarily a bad thing (because the God of the Old Testament was “angry”) is borderline blasphemous. This is why Jesus came down to set the ultimate example. Those who don’t believe in Jesus may have trouble understanding the entirety of this point. For those who do believe in Jesus… the money changers needed to be set right, but that doesn’t mean Jesus felt personally insulted or nervously competitive as we would always feel to some degree. That is a key difference between our nature and his. Iniquity might be the origin of “anger” that started both God and man down through events around sin, atonement, forgiveness, and blessing that define man’s ongoing relationship with God.
Compassion means to be along side the passion. What is passion... suffering!! First noble truth.. there is suffering. The art of living is the art of dying. ALL passion is routed in suffering. If a man desires a woman, he leaves his own house (suffering) and enters the woman. The intention is key. If man possesses a woman and she is not routed in Christ herself, and the relation is based in wrong intention (the man is not attending to his own suffering) then it will trigger the woman's threat nervous system and likely into fight or flight or collapse into freeze. There is no connection. Sex from a place of love has a different intention. It allows the other to be fully. Very hard today as there is a backlog in many of unresolved emotional patterns. And it is exactly these patterns that are not addressed when one does anything in passion apart from going through the passion (feeling the pain). It is the hardest yet simplistic response. Get put of the head... pure intention... allow Christ to show through you the next right action (as it doesn't arise from those faulty patterns that keep us in bondage). 🙏
I think everybody naturally feels the difference of being looked at with appreciation or with lust, and understands (when they're honest to themselves) how the latter is a sin but not the former. Can we maybe translate "coveting" or "looking upon with lust" with "leering".
Adultery is only related to married couples who have signed a covenant with each other and God forever.vows are mentioned @ wedding ceremony not for killing time. Choose significant other wisely.
Most comments on these are mostly people questioning why Jordan didn't have their personal favorite Biblical scholar there. And to make comparisons on who they think is the most knowledgable. I have my favorites as well but its not a competition.
I appreciate Mr. Prager’s insistence on not being naïve or cowardly in the face of evil; however I find Dr. Peterson’s articulation of the necessity to constrain, integrate, and channel anger towards the summum bonum more meaningful. Sexuality and aggression are not impulses that can be erased from human nature, but they should never take the driver’s seat so to say: they should never become the false idol which replaces God. One can engage in righteous love or righteous indignation, but the instinctive drives should always be directed towards service of the divine order. Righteous indignation can become tyrannical if the indignation becomes more vociferous than its moral justification. The imperative to me is to always have God front of mind, and let any underlying motivations be channeled into that cortical, mature order.
My example, I was in a relationship and I slept with a married women but I didn't know she was married. That was the last time I saw her. I lost a great friend from our action. Now to covert would be in a long relationship of a marriage, when a man places a women in his head to please his wife is basically body double. Yes, you are pleasing your wife but thinking of another. That thought has taken over the house if you think our bodies are temples
You speak of anger which gives it power? We do not speak of that name you do speak of so easily. Which is evil and who name we give no honor to. Yes, evil exists, and to say, get behind me is still giving him credit and pride starts. What comes after pride? I am my brother's keeper am I not after all. So seeing eye to eye at a equal level worked best. No other sin is greater then the first.
What if the adultery warning is only to reveal its organics? Jesus isn't condemning the lustful reaction-he's only warning where it might lead. Similar to his words on anger in the same context-and anger begins with the simple judgment of calling someone a fool. Jesus exhibited both anger and calling people names in his career, putting himself "in danger" of the fires of hell as he said. But anger and lust both stem from reliance on the flesh, not the Spirit. The point is, having seen such potential in the flesh (see Romans 7), there is an escape that doesn't involve cutting off body parts.
Lust can become addictive as well as harmful. I can’t imagine God leaving something like that out of commandments. Furthermore, women can lust as well, it’s not something built into a man, it’s built into humans as part of our earthly nature.
A woman cannot have intimacy with multiple partners. And the Old Testament agreement with this is that there is no covenant outside sacrifice, or outside shedding of blood.
The WORD of GOD is PERFECT. If you seek HIM above all else, His PERFECTION will be seen in EVERY word of his scripture. Read the KJV and feed upon it day and night.
Barron needed to throw down some Aquinas here, anger is a passion that fuels the will in the rejection of an evil which one belives they can overcome. A kantian emotionless ethic lacks the fule that a soul incarnated has, go ahead reject evil, but now do it with a body, you need energy to do it, you need a passion to ignite. Love is the same, love in a vacuum, it has no affection, its a virtue signal, love in a body moves that body. Both are extremely dangerous, prisons are filled with jealous lovers and people who got angry at the wrong time. Still this is the situation we're thrown into, we have to love and find a way to do so prudently.
They severely need the clarity and knowledge of Wes Huff on this panel, especially regarding Hebrew/Greek. They keep running in circles in places they don’t need to be.
Dennis doesn’t understand that Jesus is covering all bases. That includes a married man that LUSTS for an unmarried woman. In that sense the lust drives the man to covet that which cannot belong to him by God’s law; thus, he covets what belongs to God. I wonder if Dennis has a predisposition for discrediting the words of Jesus that makes Dennis blind to this. 🤔 I wonder if his wife wholeheartedly agrees with his interpretation. Now I’m posting this mid-discussion so if Dennis later expresses agreement with this point then I gladly stand corrected.
For those wondering Dennis is correct, Lust is another form of coveting. For example, if you lusted after your neighbor, you longed for her with the desire to take her by committing a sin. (Adultery) Thus before you have even committed the act, the mere fact that you committed too and plotted to take her from her husband is the sin. To look at a woman and derive sexual pleasure from her image is NOT lust contrary to popular opinion. Lust is to commit fornication / or other sexual sin outside the confines of lawful marriage. This concept is mirrored in the story of David, he lusted after Bathsheba, and sent her husband to die on the front lines, then took her as his own wife. That is why the Bible uses the same word, he "lusted after her" (Wanted her, and committed to the act without regard for transgression.)
@@DanikS-yh1gdhe’s not spreading misinformation and is actually agreeing with you. you covet a married woman which is sinful. that act of coveting begins in the heart. it means the same thing.
Maybe Jesus is trying to highlight the issue whith the mind ' that if it is in the mind, then it is the energetic equivalent to the action ' and therefore he points to the need for the renewal of mind brought through Theosis in his grace' because even whith our best efforts to avoid sin , we still may have unconscious programs leaning towards sin and so enlightenment and renewal of mind is the only answer "cleaning the inside of the cup so the outside becomes clean too" God Bless.
10:32 This misunderstanding could have been avoided by quoting Ephesians 4:26-27
26 “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold.
i.e., These verses do not forbid anger but warn against allowing your anger to lead you into sin.
Boom!
Amen to that!
No emotion can be sinful, only the way we act or don't act upon the emotion.
Exactly, when listening to the full thing the other day I sat through that whole focus of discussion losing my mind that nobody brought up this Ephesians verse 😂
It’s really not that complicated of a subject matter and St. Paul lays it out very direct and simply.
My exact thoughts. Glad you commented this
While you may not control the thoughts that arise unbidden, you are accountable for how you respond to them and what you choose to do with them.
Exactly. Unbidden thoughts aren't sinful, but it's entertaining them that is sinful.
I got to tell you, when I was young I had unbidden wet dreams.....just tell me where do dreams come from?
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Bishop barron is the most with knowledge here even though I'm not a catholic
He is very knowledgeable within his own domain. All of these guys are geniuses in their respective lanes
It's not a competition dude.
@@visionlandmusic it's about who has the truth
@@Banban_tv still not a competition, that being said, I agree he and then Johnathan Pageau are the most knowledgeable in my opinion at this table
I really enjoy this. It's good to hear all ideas from these men. Thank you. 😊😊
This Commandment protects the sanctity of the family unit, which is definitely under attack.
when does it start...I mean, when does a loving couple start to challenge each other on everything? When does that start? Is it you who starts it?
@@thomasstuart6861 It starts when you get into a relationship. It starts when you start talking to each other, it starts when you first notice each other and take interest. It starts from childhood, how you were raised and your relationship, healthy or unhealthy, with the parent of the same and opposite sex.
People may not challenge each other directly, although many still do which is a good thing in my estimation, but in the very act of selecting or rejecting each other we challenge ourselves to be more desirable.
It's also why people generally do not have the same selection criteria for a fling they _know_ is a fling and for a long-term relationship.
By definition, selection criteria constitute a standard and any standard constitutes a challenge.
I hope this answers your questions.
@@thomasstuart6861 Not sure I fully understand the question.
@@thomasstuart6861 Challenges appear to be a fact of life. The challenges started long before we were even conscious or aware or existed in my opinion.
However, if you’re talking about challenges in relationships, life brings them to humanity all the time.
Establishing roles and responsibilities are of high importance - which the west is losing.
Many cultures generally accept the roles and responsibilities of male and female as a physiological fact of life. This makes marriage somewhat easier for those who recognize and understand this fact, at least initially.
‘The final battle between the Lord and the kingdom of Satan will be about Marriage and the Family.’
'Don't be afraid, because whoever works for the sanctity of Marriage and the Family will always be fought against and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue.'
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I’m feeling truly inspired.
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Jesus said "Your holiness must surpass that of the Pharisee".
He also said "If you're angry at your brother, it's like there is murder in your heart"
He also said "be holy, as your Father is holy".
If you read the context of Jesus' words, he TOTALLY condemned lust.
The world, the flesh, and the devil present the temptation. The ball's in our court to bat it away or not.
...for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
1 Samuel 16:7 KJV
The issue with Prager’s view is twofold:
1. The concept of lusting after a woman in your heart is not unique to Christ. Jesus is simply reiterating what is already stated in Proverbs 6.” As well as a verse in Job.
2. Even within the Hebrew 10 commandments, the word for covet is actually two different Hebrew words (why many traditions split the commandments into 9 for coveting possessions and 10 for coveting a neighbor’s wife). Covet wife (Hebrew word “chamad” to delight in), and covet belongings (“avah” desire).
Good points, although it's unlikely Dennis is ignorant of the Hebrew syntax and distinctions your mentioning. He could be playing dumb of course but that's another issue. Dennis point is contextually sound however as Christ is certainly extrapolating and expounding on the law.
I'm not disagreeing with you by the way.
Thank you for sharing.
So, is your point that,as Jesus did when he said hating ones brother is liable of murder,so also he is adding,or revealing a way previously not realized, a way in which one could violate the commandment on adultery? Maybe a restriction God in is omniscience waited to reveal until Christ? And that Jews prior to Christ wouldn't have seen the commandments and had a problem with lust, or realized it's illicitness?
In the USA Trump is the worst one to exemplify lust as a matter of a principle
Dennis also loves fapping and demands circumcision, so nothing he says should be taken seriously.
Prager is missing the focus of Jesus's statement. It's towards the heart, which goes deeper than just the action. The sin does not start at the leaf or bud, but at the root.
It's not just that we act on unrighteous behavior, but this is a direct consequence of kindling and inciting unrighteousness in our imagination and in our spirit.
He's a man of the law.
Oh man I could chew on this conversation in person for HOURS.
No Dennis. Why would God give two laws the same? Lust is lust. Covert is covert.
Indeed. Reign in your passions and do not indulge even if situationally not adultery
Is it not“covet” without the r ?
@@commscompany1502 You are correct. Covert is a word that is similar to subtle or stealthy. Covet without the r is a reference to desire.
Jesus' priority was always about heaven and eternal life. That was always His focus. Later when He gets questioned about divorce by two Pharisees, he stresses that what God brings together let no man separate and that if you cannot accept this, you should become like a eunuch for the sake of heaven.
Lust was taken very seriously. Jesus' saw no loopholes with it. Sinful thought is sin.
Moreover, who can say that he will retain lust and not go and commit adultety physically ? I mean entertain the lust in your heart and mind about a woman and be sure that you he will not go on and commit it ?
Prager is wrong for a lot of reasons. Jesus is not merely addressing in Matthew 5:28 “covetousness”, but is literally addressing lust (longing) itself. The same word (epithymēsai) is used in Matthew 13:17, and in Galatians 5:17 (desire). He is also completely disregarding the apocalyptic nature of the speech itself, where lust in general would prove counterproductive and transgressive except in the confines of marriage (Paul- better to marry, than to BURN).
“If passion drives you, let reason hold the reins.”
Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanack
Passion=flesh/lust
Reason taking the Reigns=submitting to God and resisting the devil
These days with the technology we have, to avoid the temptation to sin in this way has never been so difficult, particularly the way young women now present themselves on social media platforms.
Get off social media my friend.
Social media is harmful for your mental health in more ways than you can count.
Covetousness is but one of them.
Free yourself of the temptations. Excise social media from your life.
Get off social media yes, but how do we help these women?
@@dreistheman7797 I think, like every other human invention and with time, we will learn and adapt to the technology.
No we do not want burkas.
It is the same verb that is used for the Septuagint in the Old Testament. "I and the Father are one." Jesus was just backing up his dad 😌 I hope Mr Prager realises Jesus is the same God he loves and worships 😭🙏
Tis episode points out one of the major failings of the church in the last 100 years. Christians must get angry at evil and be prepared to call it out and stand by the truth. It is in fact an act of love.
I think that most of the commandments are about installing and maintaining social trust between people.
Thankful for these Gospels clips to watch on TH-cam.
Thinking about His wider statements about love, and that He never said that natural desire was in any way sinful, it seems clear that he meant that forming a sexual desire for a woman without love for her is a violation of the law of love which He did state is the way to discover and know the truth of ourselves.
Or entertaining the sexual desire once there and pursuing it rather than just acknowledging it as the biological reaction but not putting it into any kind of high place
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It is soo incredible to hear Dr Peterson reading the scripture! Going from a mainstream psychology to reading and interpreting scriptures, is amazing!
Not really
I listened to the Exodus podcast that Jordan did and recall Dennis Prager defending watching porn - he was saying it’s okay because it’s in your mind and God just cares about your actions…. Something to that effect. And now I listen to this and hear him chirp right up and try to reason his way around lust being a bad thing. I’ve lost respect for that dude. I think What God is really after is our heart. He is holy and he calls us to pursue righteousness and holiness.
Seriously. Tell me you have a porn addiction and lust for people besides your wife without telling me.
Changing your heart and yourself and the way you are in the world. Is different to following a set of rules given to you.
the reason you change your heart is because those rules are written on it
You also change your heart because there is good and bad in it.
Especially if the rules are contradictory and very unclear
It's sad that Dennis seems to be saying all male sexual desire or erotic experience is fundamentally and automatically lust. Lust is basically objectification - sexual desire that disregards the value and dignity of the person, makes them an object of use. Lust is a sin because it's a misuse of the human faculty for sexual desire (which is made for self-giving love). It's a mistaken act of the mind.
The Theology of the Body work by John Paul II is the truest thing I've ever come across in terms of "solving" sexuality. It's too bad there wasn't a Catholic who was well-read in TOB there to bring it into the discussion. Look up Christopher West if you're interested in this topic.
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Jesus is setting things on a higher spiritual plane. How the Father looks at morality in it's maximal form. Even if you think about another woman, you've committed adultery. Thank God that Jesus lived that perfect life for me because I would be screwed.
Read the sermon on the mount to know what lust and sexual sin is. It’s not hard to understand, unless you don’t want to
When the camera pans out , it looks like some modern depiction of the last supper with Peterson in Jesus seat lol
That's what they were going for. You just simply noticed what they were trying to do. Its obvious
Christ's teachings on lust are twofold: first, it answers inquiries on what standard to achieve, on this particular topic, to call oneself pure and worthy of acceptance in heaven; second, and logically ensuing understanding of one's position in comparison to Christ's standard mentioned in the first point, it explains why one needs God. To me, this is so powerful.
The law was to show us that we could not rise to God's standard. What Jesus was doing was showing that even those who thought they were keeping the law, they could not even begin to keep God's law. We are not able to keep the law. We NEED a savior!!
Covet makes way more sense then to look.
The look thing is absolutely ridiculous. You can't force your own body to shut off its hormones or turn your thoughts off everytime you're around someone attractive. It's literally a biblical rule that's impossible to do 😂. Like seriously it's ridiculous beyond belief. This is an example of why so many people are losing their faith. The church needs to start being more realistic. Doing something and thinking something are obviously different. You can't stop your thoughts but you can prevent yourself from doing things.
And it's consistent with the context as Christ is extrapolating and expounding on the law so
Dennis' point holds up.
Covet is strongly desire.
Yes, people here are quick to pile on Dennis but he makes a perfectly sensible distinction in the line between INTENT, and a completely involuntary reaction. It’s like anger. Anger is natural, human and understandable- what you DO with that anger is for instance what several of the 10 commandments prohibit. Like shmurder. In the opening, Peterson reads, “if your eye CAUSES you to sin”… my thoughts are not sin. I have not acted them out, broken any law. The bible if rife with advice on what to DO with your thoughts that burden you, pray, give them to God etc, nowhere in the Bible does it say don’t THINK these things. Therefore, thinking, lustful thoughts is like thinking violent thoughts, or reckless thoughts. How you act, is what’s important.
@@fawkesandhound It's not only how you act, it's how you intend to act and how resilient you are in the face of temptation.
To circle back to Jordan's initial point, if you would act to take your neighbour's wife away from him but the opportunity never presents itself then it is as though you've done the deed.
It's only if you wouldn't give in to the temptation that you've claim to virtue.
Anger as feeling is only a sign or symptom of a state of being. How one chooses how to use the energy in anger is the issue. If the energy is used in a decision to love, perhaps saving another's life may fit. Only God knows that motivation.
The KEY for this is in
the prior verses about
Anger vs Murder
... Adultery "in your
heart" is as murder
in your heart via anger
-- thinking is NOT
the same as doing
but Jesus adds to
not let these things
enter into your
heart... So there's
a line to resist
crossing btwn
frustration/anger
and attraction/lust
Look into circumcision. I believe he is referring to cutting off excess sin flesh along with spiritual circumcsion. Letting old cursed things go to be made new. Just like new wine into new wine skins. If you want scriptures let me know and I will give them. Remember 66 books are all included. also remember Jesus spoke in parables. Comparisons. Context is all 66 books. 3:59
Thank you Dennis lust in Matthew 5 is the word for covet looking at the Septuagint [which is Greek back to Hebrew cf. Ex20:17]. Also, the other lust is a different Greek word cf Rom. 1:26. There are other passages one could consider. These are the two obvious.
Read the four Gospels one after the other.
It's the same story told four different ways. It quickly becomes a mobius strip of fractal memories.
Reading it chronologically is also a great thing to do.
I'm not really sure Dennis is adding to this discussion frankly. Every time he speaks he seems to be against.
Agreed, the fact that there isn’t a competent and knowledgeable Rabbi for the Torah series and this gospel series isn’t good.
He's really playing to the Jewish stereotype
Well he is Jewish so it’s probably good to have some opposing viewpoints and other scholars to question the text and be able to break it down it different ways.
Thorough examination involves pushback.
He‘s just annoying and childish
You can reinforce your thoughts and minimize risk of bad thoughts through repetition and allowing yourself to experience resonance for good things. Essentially, to me, religion is the way to get that inner thought ‘gooder’. You can call that thought your soul. Which if you’re interested in controlling your actions through reason, you may learn enough to control your thoughts through purposeful behavior. You may then say: why not do that with stoic virtues without God? Maybe you can do that, but for me, knowing God is there turns my stoic virtues to life under the virtue of love and patience and understanding. Stoic virtue is like Mind (for me through curiosity and intellectual passions). Religions help the soul (for me through grace and consistent warship). Exercise is Body (for me martial arts and consistent stretching and light body work). It’s a commitment, but that’s how you are chosen. And if you want to help others more, the more you have to work on those three things: Like cultivating a garden and God is with you helping you. Each good thought a seed for later fruit which is all reinforced with loving hope. Even for me, I am aware of the subjectivity yet allow it into my soul, to which it augments and makes me better aware and capable and willful.
You guys are all doing rather exceptionally well in my opinion, as near best as I can tell.
I wish Jordan Peterson could make a series of studies on the book of Job and the indescribable beauty of pain. I couldn’t help but think of Job when they said God shows anger towards evil; but when the devil asked God permission to take everything away from Job, he gave him limited, nonetheless, he gave him “access” to hurt Job in a profound way….. I am not here questioning God whatsoever, I am simply deeply interested in getting to know Him, his ways of thinking and develop a personal relationship with Him. I believe there is such depth into the book of Job, and nobody has ever gone beyond the surface….. I think Jordan Peterson and this wonderful group of men sitting at this table could “unveil” some of the “hidden gems” inside it.
I think the main issue is "where are you guiding your attention and your consciousness towards." Because that is the initial sewing.
This is amazing. You are all amazing. I love you. God Bless you all.
All this talk about needing to be angry at evil. Yet we forget His command to be a peacemaker and that He is the Prince of Peace.
Thank you Denis Prager for clearing up the meaning of this verse. I never believed Jesus said this either.
❤ this. Thank you all 9 gentlemen for your input. I am grateful and better for this knowledge. 🤗
What happens then to the Catholic Church that raped and sold and murdered women and children for decades?? And to those that knew about it, aren’t they just as guilty?
Jesus is the G.O.A.T. (Greatest of all time)... if only we were all like him in Moral Stature...this world would be Paradise! My lord and Savior who is the PERFECT Role Model for Men and Women NOT THESE Lie'n, Immoral, Materialistic, Money Worshipping IDOLS OF MODERN SOCIETY (Movie Stars, Musicians, Rappers, Athletes, Politicians, Scientists, Corporations, Pharmaceutical Companies, Royalty etc)!!!!
Don't believe in God? That's yer choice. If you don't want to be with him he won't force you. He gave a clear warning to everyone. Whether you or I choose to listen is up to each of us. BUT the result will still be the same.... You and I will eventually Die and when that happens we will be judged and one of two outcomes will happen. Either you chose to spend eternity with our creator OR YOU chose to be spend eternity away from God. Look at the mess our World is in from turning against God. The only reason why it's not entirely hell already is because of God's intervention... there is a reason he destroyed the Old World in a Great Flood (because evil was everywhere and in the hearts of people all the time).. Good luck spending an eternity away from all that is good.
Men and Women's Morals are lacking without God. Look at what Doctors do to kids now... Claimung Surgery can somehow change your sex. Cosmetics Surgery of Genitals or there removal does NOT change your biological sex! No, PEOPLE cannot become a cat or dog... eternity with that?!?! NO THANKS!
I don't think it's a good idea to call him a goat I get what you're saying but the greatest of all time isn't a goat but a lamb..the lamb of God...have you read that Jesus will send goats to hell in Matthew 24
@Yazziza I purposefully separated each letter with a period so it was an obvious acronym and even spelled out each word. I don't see him being upset being called the greatest of all time. But I am sure he will let me know when I stand before him 🤔
I think to look at someone lustfully, looking with the purpose of desire, is a lie of sorts. Your focus becomes what you want or need out of a person, which can cloud your judgement. It also strips a person down to a single factor, in this case appearance, which is an insult to the totality of someone's being. If you truly *wanted* somebody, you'd want to get to know them, you'd want to somehow win them over and sacrifice all other possible partners to be with them, to accept them in their fullness of being. Only wanting one aspect of them closes you off from the reality of their Being and equates to a lie
The difference is do you have anger or does the anger have you?
erotic effect vs lust is different. there is active choice in lusting after. Its to do with " you cant help birds flying over your head but can prebent them making nest on your head"
14:25 choose your battles wisely
Always good advice indeed.
Aftwr Dennis's conversation with Matt Fradd I've always looked at him sideways
He has a definite secular view of lust.
This is a Rabbi's response to Dennis Prager's comments on that topic th-cam.com/video/vz5wxYYSOpQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fp_BKgjNd0YnTowY
Lógos and agapè, love wisely. It is precisely the true meaning of philosophy. Philosophia, which is love of wisdom but also wisdom of love, is wisdom and love (although philia is not agapè).
There is something missing that Paul touches on in chapter 13 of 1 Corinthians. It does not matter what you do if it lacks charity (divine love). If one is angry for any other reason than love (charity) for others - they have failed (it does not benefit). Without benefit it becomes a force for evil.
IMHO. I think lust and adultery are ignited in the heart. Especially in today’s society Do we shake off that ignition and forge ahead. Or do we act upon it. Say a prayer and forge ahead. Ask God for help.
One thing I’m very guilty of is watching questionable tv I think that can definitely add to intrusive thoughts that we should hate
I would have stopped them from hurting you. I am not perfect but if you don't understand pity by now then you've lost forgiveness for yourself. They can't beat you. Only life can beat you so do what you want to do and let it go.
The amount of sexualized content being fed into our brains today versus woman being fully clothed , veiled and modestly dressed back then is something to consider
Yes it’s never been more important than to fight the passions God Bless You
If God says eating pork is a sin. Planning to eat the pork in your head is the same as doing it in your heart.
But feeling hungry at the sight and smell but dismissing the physical urge to eat is no sin
So covet is lust + theft = self satisfaction or self gratification at another’s expense?
Thanks!
Truly wonderfull!!!
Jesus is Lord
If you're married and stay connected physically, emotionally, and spiritually, there’s no reason to cheat. It’s the responsibility of both partners to maintain that bond. I know some married couples who admire others but remain faithful to each other.
Please look at modern America!
Adultery to me is also contractual. The committed union.
In response to the rabi who said...
"uh I don't want to get in trouble like......
...... you see we religious people we have to be real otherwise they won't take us seriously"
Luke 16:15
"You take care to seem right in the eyes of men, but God sees your hearts: and those things which are important in the opinion of men, are evil in the eyes of God."
Hate is like a moving force of death. Anger is just you being mad. Crazy.
The example from Matthew 5-7 has to be a change coming from oral tradition.
"Was there anyone other than your wife who wanted to sleep with you? If the answer is no then your virtue is irrelevant..." Respectfully, that one seems to miss the mark a bit.
If you have the ability to convince a woman to sleep with you (like basically 100% of all married men do); let's say you can flirt but don't even do that, let alone attempt to seduce another woman or put yourself into a situation where that's a temptation, out of respect for your wife, and therefore don't have women lined up wanting to sleep with you... that's still virtuous and far from irrelevant, isn't it?
JP is easily one of the most intellectually gifted of our age; that either went over my head or he missed a shot for once.
I've seen Jordan make this point a couple times and I think the point he wanted to make is: If you turn into such a terrible person so much that no woman would ever find you attractive again, then there is no merit in not sleeping with them. I don't think he was trying to attack people who do their best not to get tempted.
If you have to avoid possible flirt situations then that means those situations actually are available to you which means you are an attractive enough person and do have merit for avoiding sin.
*To be fair, the second part of that statement makes good sense
@@victormartins43 Definitely - I agree, I'm sure it wasn't an attack, just a slightly off-the-mark statement. The only thing we may differ a bit on is, I'd say that if you avoid situations where flirtation and seduction could be a temptation for you (as a loyal husband), that's virtuous, full stop. Whether you're attractive and know it or not.
Even the least attractive husbands would be exercising at least some virtue in that case, because there's pretty much always a chance, however small, for even the least attractive -- it's not as much as an NBA player who remains faithful despite women throwing themselves at him constantly I suppose, but certainly the virtue or the former is still far from irrelevant.
Unless maybe JP is talking specifically to the 2 or 3 married men on the planet who managed to convince one woman to marry, but have since become so ugly and detestable in every way that they don't have a shot at any other woman ever. I guess it could be irrelevant in that case, but... I don't know, that would apply to like .00000001% of married men or something crazy like that; I don't think it would merit any attention in a conversation like this.
It went over your head, because most women except for super ugly ones are very picky, and strict with wanting to have sex with most men except for the top 20% earners. Come on now, we all know most men can not find women to want to have sex with them like that. which you those who go outside more seen 90% men tried hard, married, single, and get rejected. Only once in a blue moon or so, hence why they married women that miraculously do. We all know men like this... So what Jordan said is very relevant
I, of course, appreciate the different perspectives and the dialogue between people of different backgrounds in this series. However, as a Christian, it is definitely sad to see Prager opposing Jesus and siding with sin. He is, however, obviously a very smart man with the capability to understand the truth. One can't help but think of the Pharisees who rejected Jesus.
It’s when you let the thought marinate
What about reading this in conjunction of “ the one did not committed sin in his heart “ one ?
The wrath of God is not primitive, primordial, or uncontrolled. It is a sense of urgency that seeks restoration of the original beauty of creation but without completely eliminating all aspects of free will in the process. Human anger is competitive because no human can possibly have an absolutely unchangeable advantage over another. God’s advantage is unchangeably superior. God’s anger is not based on fear of any outside threat. God awards punishment to gain us a better perspective within our own free will … to understand his power and his grace that encompasses our temporary state existence. To sit here and say that human anger is not necessarily a bad thing (because the God of the Old Testament was “angry”) is borderline blasphemous. This is why Jesus came down to set the ultimate example. Those who don’t believe in Jesus may have trouble understanding the entirety of this point. For those who do believe in Jesus… the money changers needed to be set right, but that doesn’t mean Jesus felt personally insulted or nervously competitive as we would always feel to some degree. That is a key difference between our nature and his. Iniquity might be the origin of “anger” that started both God and man down through events around sin, atonement, forgiveness, and blessing that define man’s ongoing relationship with God.
This would be much better without Dennis Prager.
Compassion means to be along side the passion. What is passion... suffering!!
First noble truth.. there is suffering.
The art of living is the art of dying.
ALL passion is routed in suffering.
If a man desires a woman, he leaves his own house (suffering) and enters the woman. The intention is key.
If man possesses a woman and she is not routed in Christ herself, and the relation is based in wrong intention (the man is not attending to his own suffering) then it will trigger the woman's threat nervous system and likely into fight or flight or collapse into freeze.
There is no connection.
Sex from a place of love has a different intention. It allows the other to be fully.
Very hard today as there is a backlog in many of unresolved emotional patterns. And it is exactly these patterns that are not addressed when one does anything in passion apart from going through the passion (feeling the pain).
It is the hardest yet simplistic response. Get put of the head... pure intention... allow Christ to show through you the next right action (as it doesn't arise from those faulty patterns that keep us in bondage). 🙏
I think everybody naturally feels the difference of being looked at with appreciation or with lust, and understands (when they're honest to themselves) how the latter is a sin but not the former. Can we maybe translate "coveting" or "looking upon with lust" with "leering".
Adultery is only related to married couples who have signed a covenant with each other and God forever.vows are mentioned @ wedding ceremony not for killing time.
Choose significant other wisely.
Tell that to women
I’d like to hear your opinion on “ lust for innocence “
10:45 Watch it Dennis! That's Petersons buddy your misunderstanding.
Lol
Most comments on these are mostly people questioning why Jordan didn't have their personal favorite Biblical scholar there. And to make comparisons on who they think is the most knowledgable. I have my favorites as well but its not a competition.
I appreciate Mr. Prager’s insistence on not being naïve or cowardly in the face of evil; however I find Dr. Peterson’s articulation of the necessity to constrain, integrate, and channel anger towards the summum bonum more meaningful. Sexuality and aggression are not impulses that can be erased from human nature, but they should never take the driver’s seat so to say: they should never become the false idol which replaces God. One can engage in righteous love or righteous indignation, but the instinctive drives should always be directed towards service of the divine order. Righteous indignation can become tyrannical if the indignation becomes more vociferous than its moral justification. The imperative to me is to always have God front of mind, and let any underlying motivations be channeled into that cortical, mature order.
My example, I was in a relationship and I slept with a married women but I didn't know she was married. That was the last time I saw her. I lost a great friend from our action. Now to covert would be in a long relationship of a marriage, when a man places a women in his head to please his wife is basically body double. Yes, you are pleasing your wife but thinking of another. That thought has taken over the house if you think our bodies are temples
You speak of anger which gives it power? We do not speak of that name you do speak of so easily. Which is evil and who name we give no honor to. Yes, evil exists, and to say, get behind me is still giving him credit and pride starts. What comes after pride? I am my brother's keeper am I not after all. So seeing eye to eye at a equal level worked best. No other sin is greater then the first.
i want to listen more
He should interview Christians and not just Catholics about some of this stuff...
Let Bishop Barron speak more uninterrupted! My goodness…
Covet covers all wanting of that which isn’t yours. Prager is off
How are you enjoying your journey Jordan, I hope Gods path set before you is enlightening to the Darkness you'll be diving into.
When you commit sin. You commit adultery. It's almost as If he hasn't read Ezekiel
What if the adultery warning is only to reveal its organics? Jesus isn't condemning the lustful reaction-he's only warning where it might lead. Similar to his words on anger in the same context-and anger begins with the simple judgment of calling someone a fool. Jesus exhibited both anger and calling people names in his career, putting himself "in danger" of the fires of hell as he said. But anger and lust both stem from reliance on the flesh, not the Spirit. The point is, having seen such potential in the flesh (see Romans 7), there is an escape that doesn't involve cutting off body parts.
Lust can become addictive as well as harmful. I can’t imagine God leaving something like that out of commandments. Furthermore, women can lust as well, it’s not something built into a man, it’s built into humans as part of our earthly nature.
MAGA overlooks this with Donald Trump. Why?
It has been thousands of years, and the Pharisees still haven't learned...
A woman cannot have intimacy with multiple partners. And the Old Testament agreement with this is that there is no covenant outside sacrifice, or outside shedding of blood.
The WORD of GOD is PERFECT. If you seek HIM above all else, His PERFECTION will be seen in EVERY word of his scripture. Read the KJV and feed upon it day and night.
Barron needed to throw down some Aquinas here, anger is a passion that fuels the will in the rejection of an evil which one belives they can overcome. A kantian emotionless ethic lacks the fule that a soul incarnated has, go ahead reject evil, but now do it with a body, you need energy to do it, you need a passion to ignite. Love is the same, love in a vacuum, it has no affection, its a virtue signal, love in a body moves that body. Both are extremely dangerous, prisons are filled with jealous lovers and people who got angry at the wrong time. Still this is the situation we're thrown into, we have to love and find a way to do so prudently.
They severely need the clarity and knowledge of Wes Huff on this panel, especially regarding Hebrew/Greek. They keep running in circles in places they don’t need to be.
Dennis doesn’t understand that Jesus is covering all bases. That includes a married man that LUSTS for an unmarried woman. In that sense the lust drives the man to covet that which cannot belong to him by God’s law; thus, he covets what belongs to God. I wonder if Dennis has a predisposition for discrediting the words of Jesus that makes Dennis blind to this. 🤔 I wonder if his wife wholeheartedly agrees with his interpretation. Now I’m posting this mid-discussion so if Dennis later expresses agreement with this point then I gladly stand corrected.
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A remarkable, educated pooling of ignorance.
For those wondering Dennis is correct, Lust is another form of coveting.
For example, if you lusted after your neighbor, you longed for her with the desire to take her by committing a sin. (Adultery) Thus before you have even committed the act, the mere fact that you committed too and plotted to take her from her husband is the sin.
To look at a woman and derive sexual pleasure from her image is NOT lust contrary to popular opinion.
Lust is to commit fornication / or other sexual sin outside the confines of lawful marriage. This concept is mirrored in the story of David, he lusted after Bathsheba, and sent her husband to die on the front lines, then took her as his own wife. That is why the Bible uses the same word, he "lusted after her" (Wanted her, and committed to the act without regard for transgression.)
Don't spread misinformation. In Mathew 5:28, Jesus clearly calls lustful thoughts sin.
@DanikS-yh1gd No he does not, Dennis is correct, he uses the word in Hebrew for Covet.
@@DanikS-yh1gdhe’s not spreading misinformation and is actually agreeing with you. you covet a married woman which is sinful. that act of coveting begins in the heart. it means the same thing.
Maybe Jesus is trying to highlight the issue whith the mind ' that if it is in the mind, then it is the energetic equivalent to the action ' and therefore he points to the need for the renewal of mind brought through Theosis in his grace' because even whith our best efforts to avoid sin , we still may have unconscious programs leaning towards sin and so enlightenment and renewal of mind is the only answer "cleaning the inside of the cup so the outside becomes clean too"
God Bless.