Lost Railways of Yorkshire: The Railway that was Almost Lost - Whitby and Pickering
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- The history of one of Britain's most beloved preservation railways, the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, from its origins as Yorkshire's third-oldest railway, with trains pulled by horses instead of locomotives, through it's growth, and eventual closure as a result of the Beeching report, as well as it's resurrection at the hands of an army of passionate volunteers and donors!
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Yet another fantastic documentary. Why isn't this on national TV? A definite star in the making!
Absolutely!!!
Yes, this is as good and as on point (better probably) than anything the professional broadcasters put out these days. Superb.
You're all very kind, but it really isn't! It's not bad for TH-cam, but even still there are channels out there that are loads better. I'm just glad people enjoy the videos!
@@hullhistorynerd When you were speaking to camera at the station, then finished the piece in perfect time for the steam engine to come into view. That is professionalism. Well done, from a fellow Yorkshireman. All the best, Norm.
This is definitely worthy of national tv for sure. Brilliant job.
BBC really should hire you and let you make these wondaful documentary
Channel 4, 5 or Yesterday maybe?
I suspect it’s like every other walk of life. It’s not how good you are, it’s who you know.
They trot out some right dross on BBC. Far below this level. Nicely produced, they have huge teams. But ultimately, lower quality.
I've had the good fortune to work with a couple of professional teams making similar videos, and there's so much more involved; those presenters usually nail their lines so quickly, and really know and have an active interest in the things they're talking about, too, which is great! Rob Bell from Walking Britain's Lost Railways is a real engineering and railway geek, and what Tim Dunn doesn't know about how railway buildings are put together isn't worth knowing! They were most certainly hired on the basis of their skill and knowledge, I think it detracts from all the genuinely talented and capable people who work in the industry to suggest that its "not what you know but who you know" - maybe it's that way higher up the management totem pole, but on the boots on the ground level, those people are skilled and brilliant. Far more than I am, for sure!
@@hullhistorynerd You have presence. Don’t undersell yourself
@@hullhistorynerd I had immense respect for Tim Dunn, until he informed me on Twitter that the benefits of trickle down economics were 'very complex to understand'.
In that instant, my respect evaporated.
I understand complex and I understand history. And I particularly understand a con when I see a con.
I was one of the first volunteers - me and my mate Ray, just to say in 6th Form 1969-70. We were just helpers, doing whatever jobs were needed, the main one being issuing the tickets to visitors on steam weekends, Grosmont to Goathland only, using mainly small industrial locos. We overnighted in the old waiting rooms on the down platform. A treat was a volunteer-only trip after the day's passenger traffic all the way to Summit - a newly constructed manual loop just above Fen Bogs - the highest part of the line. We were hanging out of the windows, hauled by 'Meteor' a small 0-6-0 tank engine. Wonderful, and long before the formation of the NYMR and the completion of the route all the way to Pickering!! We also saw the arrival of the BIG tank engines, No5 and No29, from the old Lambton Railway (coal freight haulage)!! Happy days..
Visited the NYMR in 2003 when touring North Yorkshire in my home built campervan, converted from a minibus. Stayed three nights on a campsite near Goathland and as well as taking steam trains to Grosmont and Pickering, I changed onto a DMU for a day in Whitby. Wonderful memories which I would like to repeat one day when I finally move back to the UK from Romania where I've lived since 2010. Thanks for the excellent video.
Just discovered this and what a really great video on a line I know so well and have travelled on many times, I was so pleased when Whitby became the obvious terminus for the NYM railway after having to get the DMU to Grosmont to get the steam trains in past times. Thank You !, more like this please.
I've been going to the NYMR since I was a young lad, and even today I still think it's great. Beautiful scenery and powerful locomotives make a great combination. There's a lot of things to do in the towns every station stops at, and it makes for a good day out. In the future I would like to attend one of the steam galas or ride behind some of the ex- North Eastern Railway locos like the Q6.
An interesting tidbit about the NYMR is that the NER Long Boiler No. 1275 found at York's National Railway Museum worked the Pickering to Whitby line in its final working days. I can't help but wonder what it would be like seeing such a spindly loco slugging along the challenging North Yorkshire Moors line.
That little tunnel for the horse drawn wagons is fabulous!
What a great video,I have traveled on the line while camping at Pickering.A lovely picturesque ride and great fish and chips in Whitby
Heartbeat made contributions to that line
Excellent and informative video! Anyone watching this from afar and wanting to travel on the NYMR just bear in mind the correct pronunciation of Grosmont is Grow-mont not Groz-mont as it looks……we like to confuse up here 😂
Echoing other comments this is the best documentary I have seen on this line, and your presentation style is superb - well done indeed!
The great TH-cam algorithm brought me here. Subscribed instantly, great quality production.
Thankyou for the kind words, glad you enjoyed, and I hope you find some other interesting videos on the channel!
The East and North Riding suffered badly from the Beeching axe. With the Transport Minister (Ernest Marples) firmly on the side of roads, his family company being in the road construction business, some of the closures were clearly skewed towards roads, notwithstanding the fact the the roads were totally inadequate.
love to see old trains and its history,,,greeting from Indonesia
Thanks for another great production.
By far the best documentary I have seen on the NYMR as per the last video well thought and presented with excellent camera skills. I have also seen the Malton to Driffield video and that was equally as enjoyable. I am going to have to stop watching your films for now as they are stopping me getting out and about. Looking forward to the rest of them when I am off work for Christmas. Well done
Having lived in Hedon when a child and Cottingham as a student back in the 60s, early 70s and early 80s I always enjoy watching these videos. However, just a point of accuracy here.. Hudson was never elected MP for Whitby but was Sunderland's (my current home town) MP 1845 to 1859 where he was always greatly liked for not only developing the local railways but by building new docks that enabled Sunderland to develop further as a major coal port on the north east coast in the face of increasing competition from other developing ports in the region such as West Hartlepool. I produced an exhibition about him and his connection with Sunderland when I was the historian at the local museum. I believe he did stand for election at Whitby in 1865 but was arrested shortly before the election and spent some time in prison.
You're right, it was Sunderland, I knew he'd stood for election in Whitby , I just didn't realise he hadn't won!
Completely agree, Hull history nerd should be on national tv, in my opinion he’s up there with the likes of Attenborough and palin 👍 keep the amazing content coming
Blimey, that's company I certainly don't deserve to be compared to!
1s time of viewing your channel Whitby to Pickering enjoyed it very much live in Australia but luv steam
I’ve had this video saved to watch for a while, wow have I missed out. Absolutely amazingly well made documentary, new subscriber gained
Thankyou! And welcome to the channel, I hope you enjoy the other videos!
@@hullhistorynerd Cheers mate, been enjoying them all!
Very interesting. I love the historical details and the story itself. I hope that I will be able to visit there someday. Working my way through these videos. 👍
Thank you so much for making this. Our heritage seems so precious at times, thank goodness for those who heep our history alive, including your good self.
Fantastic as usual. I worked on the railway from 1970 commuting with others from 'ull many weekends. The track to Pickering was singled but thankfully not completely lifted so we occasionally ran a diesel railcar right through to Pickering. (The track south of Levisham was singled during the first world war. The lifted track was to be sent to France, but ended up at the bottom of the channel.) The Humberside group were given the responsibility to tidy up the decaying eyesore that Pickering station had become in just 5 years since closure. The roof was decaying with the wooden floors visibly rotting. The people in charge of Pickering wanted to tear down the station and create a car park!
Yikes, so glad that didn't happen! Pickering station is a beautiful building whether there's a railway running into it or not.
I thought I'd read something about the track being sent to France as part of the war effort.
Enjoyable and fact filled as ever! A real trip down Memory lane also for me. Wonderful to see these beautiful steam locos in action.. I think on balance Hudson should be forgiven by history for his dodgy dealings.. Without his efforts, much would have been lost. Thank you for another wonderful video! ⭐👍
Whenever I cover Hudson in my videos, I always have another think about how I feel about him. On the one hand the man was clearly a bounder and a cad, but he was also a true, driven visionary. And the fraud he committed generally speaking deprived a few already wealthy investors of a few quid in dividends, it wasn't as if he was, for instance, deliberately over estimating poor people's energy bills and doubling their direct debits overnight - his marks were rich people looking to invest and make more money. So really, was he *that* bad?
Hmm. I think this is one of those very nuanced things where I can never come down 100% on one side or the other!
@@hullhistorynerd Robin Hood Hudson?
I very much like your presentation 😃 wish you all the best
So enjoyable as always. And that opening shoot you looked so dapper.
It is nice to make an effort, but when it's 33 degrees you're really stuck with T shirts and shorts. Autumn is my favourite time to make videos as shirts once again become something I can wear without melting in!
@@hullhistorynerd at first I thought it might have been a special event on the train. You carried off both a retro 1950’s look with a modern twist in how you wore it (without one analysing - lol) and it looked good
@@xr6lad That's pretty much just how I dress when the weather allows it. I think of it as "slightly shabby but vaguely presentable!"
You never fail to disappoint Jim. Thanks for this wonderful film about this lovely heritage railway.
I read somewhere that the group who rescued it were originally interested in the Scarborough to Whitby line but were waiting to see what happened with the plan for a potash mine at Hawsker.
The Grosmont to Pickering line became available whilst they were waiting so they decided on that one.
I am not sure which one i would have preferred saved, the coastal line is spectacular in places.
I used to come to goathland with my dad for our holiday every year, so comforting to see and hear people with just as much enthusiasm and energy as we did back in the day. Love that part of the world and I love your documentaries, fantastically put together
Thank you so much for this. :) Excellent.
Thank you for such an excellent presentation on the history of the NYMR! I'm from the States but want to visit the railway someday. This video not only taught me more about it but really makes me want to visit!
Me also. Someday maybe.
Always excited to see a new video from The Hull History Nerd. Once again, was not disappointed.
And great to find out that The Hull History Nerd is actually called Jim.,
Yorkshire lass exiled in country New South Wales, Australia.
Another fantastic episode, very informative, took my children on the steam train Pickering to goatland. They loved it!! 🎉
Awesome! I’ve spent many happy weekends at Pickering, Whitby and Grosmont during the various 1940’s re-enactment events that have been held over the years.
Absolutely brilliant video as always Jim. We’ve just sat and watched it from start to finish with great interest. A lovely part of the county which we’ve visited many times. We’re so lucky to have such a magnificent railway in the area.
Also being a Yorkshireman, I can completely relate to the concept of parting with hard earned money 😆
This was a really beautiful video with loads of stuff I didn't know, despite being a fan of this railway line! Thanks
Magnificent! Congratulations on a fine piece of video!
Fantastic as ever. 👌👌 Well done that man.
Wow! You've done some amazing videos before but this one is imho the best yet. Thanks so much for this, I spent many happy childhood holidays on the Yorkshire Moors and rode this train on numerous occasions. Thanks for a wonderful trip down memory lane and an education to boot. I know where I'm going next summer now, time to revisit for the first time in nearly 40 years methinks.
Glad you enjoyed it, and I'm sure you won't be disappointed! It's a glorious one, in my opinion one of the best views from a train this side of the Scottish Border.
Cam across this video and really enjoyed it so have watched another and subscribed. Love the content
Your concise history of this line is a thoroughly enjoyable account of the historical and political background of its existence. I'm a Yorkshire exile in Wales and I really appreciate your depth of research and your presentation style. Don't stop!
Great video that tells the complete story of the railway - I travelled on it in 2020 just after the first lockdown and thoroughly enjoyed the day; shame I hadn't seen this before travelling but I can always go back
I would take any excuse to go back, it's a beautiful line in a beautiful county!
Awesome! Nurd. Thanks
Thank you for a fascinating presentation on the history of the North York Railway, you are a natural presenter with the bluff, no-nonsense style characteristic of many of your countrymen.
Just had the algorithm recommend this to me, I'm from Pickering and so this was a fun surprise!
I think, for once, the algorithm has decided one of my videos should be recommended. I'm still trying to figure out why, but I'm very grateful! Glad you enjoyed it, and hope you find other fascinating nuggets of industrial history on my channel :)
@@hullhistorynerd I've subscribed so I'm sure I will! Looking forward to binging some today!
The only small error I have (while pales in comparison to the amazing research, script, delivery, footage, editing) is that we pronounce it "grow-mont" up here, we don't pronounce the 's'. But I completely understand why that'd be tricky to know. We pronounce things strangely up here, there's a village near Pickering named Weaverthorpe but we pronounce it "whey-thrup"! 🤷
As Yorkshire man living in exile in London, I take every opportunity to go to the NYMR, (relations live in Cottingham) was there for the recent steam gala, and this video filled in some history for me. Have walked up the old incline at Beckhole many times.
As per normal a great video.
Lovely documentary,I've been on the steam train from pickering to Whitby,the carriages took me back to the 50s rocking from side to side and the old leather strap for the window, comfortable seats, and the ticket collector was so kind and interesting ,if you want to enjoy an hour or two in complete relaxation go on the north York's moors train you will not be disappointed honestly
Wonderfully informative and well produced documentary with plenty of historical tidbits thrown in for good measure - nicely done. Looking forward to your other offerings!
Another fabulous video! I love trains! Thank you Jim x
Awesome video as per usual ,a pity you didn't cover the line in it's entirety from Malton to Whitby ,a future video perhaps ? but superb.
That isn't the same line, the Whitby and Pickering line junctioned onto the York-Scarborough line at Rillington, which is the one that runs through Malton. Different railway, I'm afraid!
I love watching these very well made short docos keep them coming mate. I have great memories of the east coast, spending a lot of my childhood there. Looking forward to seeing more.
Another fantastic episode of LROY, brilliant to watch and very interesting. Your work really does deserve local TV recognition. Thank you for producing such great quality videos!!
Brilliant upload this definitely should be on the TV I'm sure many many older folks would appreciate your work, I love how these places give us all a glimpse of the past it's otherworldly everything about the train's and coal canals is fascinating and utterly impressive especially the bridges just extraordinary everything was built as a work of art everything right down to the brickwork it's all so impressive
A splendid podcast HN. My wife and I tipped into the line's coffers when we were in the UK in 2018, with an extra tenner to help the cause. I figured it would buy a bag of coal or help to pay Piglet's wages. Behind diesel to Whitby, and then steam back to Pickering (B1 61264). An experience not to be missed by anyone who loves steam traction. A proper trip into the past....
Currently on Australian TV there is a railway series about this line. A real look behind the scenes, of the men and women who devote their lives to keeping this little jewel on the rails. Piglet is the engine shed boss as you might know and he features heavily in this series. An excellent, very well-done series if you get the chance....
Yes, that series aired here a few years ago, it's great!
Absolutely love this journey from Pickering to Whitby!! Feels really special every time, like a film set!! Thanks for posting, the pullman dining is great for a treat, leaves Grosmont to Pickering
Very nicely put together, Jim. Great video and very interesting 👍
Thankyou! I'll be giving you a mention in my vlog when I get it uploaded soon!
This was a brilliant film, thank you so much for bringing the history of the railway so clearly to us. Wonderfully researched, just beautiful piece of work, Thank you,
Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for watching!
So good I have watched it twice so I didn’t miss anything……this is your best work by far!
Thankyou, that's very kind of you to say!
Great Video. I love that you clearly research these so well and spend a lot of time gathering footage. It must be a real labour of love. I grew up around the NYMR, visiting frequently as a child and more recently. Makes me want to go for a trip up there again soon!
Another brilliant video as always , keep up the great work you do . I can watch for hours and never get bored , history and the yesteryear should never be forgotten
Many thanks
JM
Fascinating... I vaguely recall as an early teen walking along a section of rail track bed, this must have been near Ellerbeck. A low metal girder type bridge, ash clinker to one side, somehow it seemed quite eerie, a profusion of weeds (it was summer) all missing the sight of rail and sound of trains.
How great was that! For once, I must thank the TH-cam algorithm thingy for sending me here. A great mini-documentary right up my street; really enjoyed. SUBSCRIBED 🙂
I'm really glad you enjoyed it and I hope you enjoy the channel in general!
I'm looking for the video on Garden Village that you mentioned in a different video but I cant find it. Another great video. Love this area around Thornton Le Dale.
I haven't gotten round to it yet, I'm afraid, quite a few videos to get round to making before that one!
Great video
The NYMR has to be the jewel of the north York moors
Fantastic video, as always. This is a very beautiful part of the world and this railway, well, thank god it didn't die for good. Was out at Harswell near Market Weighton yesterday walking the old Market Weighton to Selby track bed. My new hobby finding old railways to walk. Beeching was overly brutal to the railways of Yorkshire. I sense Market Weighton was once a busy and important railway hub and lost everything in the Beeching cuts. Hope you're going to include these old railways in future videos.
Already started, check out my Lost Railways video on the Hull to Beverley line, The Hudson Way!
Top stuff 👍💯your presentation is top notch.
Love it!
I do love a happy ending, nice one.
Fantastic video about one of my favourite places in Yorkshire.
Although, to give a slight criticism, I'd say calling the gents room at Levisham a toilet is a bit generous. (if you know you know lol).
I feel so lucky to volunteer here, great informative video
Thankyou for all the hard work you volunteers all give to keep the place going!
Very well done mate! You got any plans for doing the other lost lines around Whitby? The Whitby and Scarborough line is a great day out 😁
P.s. the S in Grosmont is silent (Gro-mont)
The next episode of Lost Railways will indeed be the Scarborough - Whitby line!
I've heard locals pronounce it both ways, so I checked on Google to make sure I didn't get it wrong, and all of the top results said it was Gross-mont. I tried.
@@hullhistorynerd Well then, I cant blame you! Either way Its definitely one of the more linguistically peculiar place names in Yorkshire... feels a bit too French for this far north, doesnt it? 😂
Cant wait for the next Episode mate I'm clicking the bell icon as we speak! 🏃♂️
Your content is excellent as always, honored to be a sub.
Brilliant documentary, and really well made
Thank you for another very interesting video Jim. Yes please more heritage rail. I did a whitby to York in the mid 50's where the driver ofthe B1 loco came to the first coach and asked passengers to go to the second coach to avoid drawing up at smaller station platforms.
Absolutely fabulous. An amazing watch yet again
Great job! 👍 It has some history and every station on the line has its own story to tell.
I know, there was so much I had to leave out before it ballooned to Lord of the Rings Extended Edition levels!
another excellent video and professionally presented as usual, I've watched virtually all your videos and had the great opportunity for myself and my partner meet you at your recent (ish) outdoor talk on the history of the hull fishing industry, brilliant stuff, we all look forward to your next video, how about the history of the hull fair perhaps? ...keep up the great work 👍
I keep meaning to do an episode on Hull Fair, but covid struck, and then it comes along and surprises me. Next year I'll prepare better!
Fascinating! Loved it, thank you.
Excellent video as always
Fantastic video Jim 👍 Really enjoyed this one.
Superb work,thank you
Again. Great video full support from 🇨🇦
Thanks for another cracking vlog 🎉
A very enjoyable interesting video, a lot of research went into it and it showed.
Thanks very much, and yes please make more videos like this one and on this kind of subject, railways lines.
This line carried on once to Rillington junction as you mentioned, and there was one more intermediate stop along the way at “Marishes Road” which was basically a halt, it’s still in good condition today as well, hopefully the NYMR will get to use it one day.
Thanks again for your enjoyable video.👍
Excellent video, and looking very dapper also.
Brilliant...you have almost got me interested in trains as well!
Outstanding I really enjoyed your video
brilliant, always look forward to your next video,thanks. brian d.
Excellent as ever, your best yet.
BBC series should be next, or channel 4/5, Channel 4 does a lot of local content. Best regards, PMh
That's very kind but I'm afraid I'm a long way off the kind of quality and skillsets needed for TV!
@@hullhistorynerd Robbie Cummings, of Canal Journeys did it, and your presentation and camera style are very similar, therefore don't dismiss the possibility, the quality is there,
Regards, PMh
@@hullhistorynerd don't under estimate yourself.
You are amazing and clever man x love your videos thankyoue
I would fly from OZ for holidays with dad , we we're mad touring cyclists 🚴♂️; doing 100 miles a day through Wales on my honeymoon was married in Oldham 1988 have 6 pints a night after day on the bike
Excellent as always! The bit to camera where the train appears on cue was very slick ☺️
More luck than judgement, in that case. I was halfway through my piece and I heard the hissing of the train approaching and thought "don't mess up your lines now..."
@@hullhistorynerd haha knowing this makes me like it even more. The pressure not to mess up! Bravo Sir, bravo.
Brilliant video Jim, what else have you got lined up for us? Gets to the point where i'm waiting for what you have planned next. 👍👍👍😀😀😀
Next up will be History of Hull: Hull Castle & Citadel, followed shortly with another Watercourse episode on the Foredyke Stream!
love it
Excellent as always HHN
Just a minor point I must make about the railway post closure. The section from Grosmont to Levisham was singled by the British Railways demolition contractors. Levisham to Pickering was single track from sometime during the 1914-1918 war.
The Grosmont-Ellerbeck section was bought by the NYMR whilst Ellerbeck-Pickering was bought (with rails intact by the North Yorkshire County Council. The full 18 miles being opened as the NYMR in 1973. Pickering to Rillington Junction was lifted in 1969-70 although some NYMR working parties did work Wickham trolleys down this section to remove material such as the signal box from Marishes Road.
Really enjoyed this video and the rest of the series
Ah, interesting, I hadn't realised that the lines hadn't fully been lifted between Eller Beck and Pickering. I understand that some of the rails taken during the war were shipped to France for use in the war effort, or at least I seem to remember reading that in my research!
@@hullhistorynerd I've read that between Goathland and Levisham one line..can't remember which one up or down was saved because it was in better condition..yet Grosmont-Goathland it was the opposite one.
Apparently the BR ganger with responsibility for the care and maintenance of both Whitby-Pickering and Scarborough-Whitby during the closed period (the track having to be kept in reasonable condition should any legal challenges be successful) and also it was he who coordinated the Demolition gangs was also the Volunteer head of the NYMRs Permanent way department so naturally he knew which was the best line to keep.
The NYMR also had to pay over the odds for the track from Grosmont-Goathland due to a 3rd (check rail) being present. Of course all rail was regarded as scrap to be paid for by weight
British railways didn't single line the line, the name did. Shortley after the name took ownership they realised that it would e a great expense to keep it open. They sold the rest of the track in the 1970s to purchase locomotives and rolling stock.
wow I do like this video 📷 I being there months ago and can't wait for your next video oh my mum special liked steam trains sound's
Any chance of a Hull fair episode?
At some point, it's certainly on my list of things to do!
Shame the railway isn't still linked to York and Beverley missed opportunities
This is the first of your videos I've watched and I did enjoy it. One criticism though is your pronunciation of Grosmont. I'm afraid you made the common error of pronouncing the S. The S is silent and the correct way to say the name is grow not gross mont.