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"The king who couldn't stop the dance." Except he literally did stop a Dance. The reason he summoned a Great Council was because Corlys and Daemon were gearing for war on behalf of their candidates (Laenor & Viserys). He knew that if he arbitrarily chose one candidate, the loser would challenge the choice as soon as Jaehaerys died. At worst it would've been as destructive as the OG dance. At best it would've split the kingdoms he had spent his entire life binding together to pieces. What Jaehaerys did ensured that when he died, even a pushover weakling like Viserys could reign for 26 years unchallenged. What Viserys did was the complete opposite thing Jaehaerys did and that's what caused the Dance. Blaming the former's choices on the latter is disingenuous. When a drunk driver kills a pedestrian, it's the driver whose liable - not the DMV that issued the licence.
He literally almost started a dance himself by passing over Rhaenys considering some lords chose her over Baelon. The only reason it didn't happen was because of Vaegon urging him to call a great council. The former's choices do fall on him when you consider his choices may have very well left Rhaenys, a person more than likely more suited for the role, unchosen because the council, whose votes were not released mind you, chose Viserys, whose foolish reign was well documented and demonstrated what not to do as a monarch. Next to that it set a precedent that was the greens main point in starting a civil war and with said precedent remaining well after the council and bloody conflict in possibly brushing aside potentially good monarchs. You can not say Jaehaerys was faultless when you consider his rise to the throne was not without issue in pushing aside his elder sister and nieces, and at the end of it being so infirm with his succession. Him calling a great council gave one side of the future conflict a motive to make a bloody play for the throne when his successor, Viserys, already chose his daughter to succeed him.
@@SilentSkipper117 Which lords (apart from her husband and uncle) chose Rhaenys over Baelon? Better yet, simply mention the passage that says this. It's hilarious that you hold Jaehaerys (DMV) liable for Viserys' (drunk driver) actions when it was Viserys who pulled a succession crisis out of thin air. It was his choice to name his daughter as heir over his 3 sons that caused the civil war. Did Jaehaerys make him do that? Did Jaehaerys make him have 3 sons? Did Jaehaerys make him give those 3 sons dragons? Did Jaehaerys make him isolate Rhaenyra in a secluded island castle for almost a decade? Did Jaehaerys make him appoint all the Greens to the small council? Viserys did absolutely everything to create a civil war. As for Jaehaerys' rise - you clearly haven't read the book. His older sister literally flew to him and presented him with Blackfyre. The same sister also abdicated her daughters' claims in favour of Jaehaerys. I suggest reading the damn book before yapping.
Exactly. Jaehaerys was literally the one king who recognized that his simply declaring an heir on his own would not prevent a Dance-style civil war, and who figured out a way to prevent it. The Great Council provided a roadmap for how to resolve a contested succession without a civil war, and also a set of de facto laws of succession - had Viserys followed either of those, there would almost certainly have been no Dance after his death. However, the threat of a Dance was just as great at the end of Jaehaerys' reign, but his actions prevented one. Nothing Jaehaerys did was responsible for Viserys making the decisions he did, and there was nothing he could have done to prevent those decisions or prevent them from leading to war.
Jaehaerys was one of the best kings of westeros. He codified laws, built roads, stopped a dornish invasion in a day, and made royal progressions throughout the kingdom. Aegon the conqueror took the 7 Kingdoms but Jaehaerysmade them one. Also he rode Vermithor the third largest dragon.
It's pretty important to note that this is coming from a history written in-universe by a Maester, and which is pretty misogynistically slanted. Plus while Jaehaerys was probably the best king of Westeros, that just means he's the best of a really bad bunch - and many of his flaws spring directly from his misogyny and the limits of his love for his wife and his daughters. He married one off too young, leading to her death in childbed, was so harsh on another based on suspicion and teenage rebellion that he killed her friends and sent her to the Faith, and married another of his teenage daughters to a man old enough to be her grandfather, against her wishes. He's credited with ending the Right of the First Night as well - but he was unwilling to do that until his wife all but forced him; he tried to make excuses for what amounts to institutionalized rape, and was rightly called out on it by Alysanne. And finally, the Dance arguably results from him being unwilling to use his long reign and high legitimacy to institutionalize proper inheritance laws for the Targaryen throne, which is directly related to issues of female inheritance.
By westerosi standards (and probably many other standards too), he was the greatest king of all time. But even the greatest rulers make costly Mistakes and plant seeds for future issues.
What seed did Jaehaerys plant? Because the dance was entirely Viserys' fault, for not naming Aegon as his heir, passing Rhaenyra over would not have caused such a division Viserys had 2 options to avoid war: not marry and keep Rhaenyra as heir to the throne (that was completely an option, no one could force him to have another wife) or marry and be forced to name his first son as heir to the iron throne, passing Rhaenyra in favor of Aegon
@ plenty could be attributed to jaehaerys’ actions or inaction. And no. The dance was not ‘entirely’ Viserys’ fault. That’s not how it works when we discuss major dynastic disputes with roots that go back decades before they happen. It’s not calling him a bad king, it’s just acknowledging that decisions he made had ramifications that impacted the kingdom after his passing.
@@MaceAhWindu Jaehaerys was already dead when the dance happened, why do you keep insisting it's his fault? Is it also Aegon I fault that the war happened because he created the Iron Throne? Viserys was a good person, but a weak ruler; easily influenced, prey to his desires, and unable to compromise, he had to choose an heir and do everything in his power to ensure that his succession was secure. A good heir is half of his work as a monarch When he spoke to Lyonel Strong privately, he wished he had been tested in his reign, had wars to fight and stuff. The joke of this statement is that HE WAS being tested, his test was his family, and he failed, he became the root of the problems
While Jaehaerys and Alysanne were indeed the greatest king and queen of Westerosi history, I always thought their personal stories were quite sad. They outlived most of their children, and had so many tragedies in the family, one simply couldn't count. I truly felt sorry for them reading Fire and Blood.
You're title is wrong y'all. Jaehaerys was one of the best kings Westeros had, and managed to somehow hold the realm together through relative peace despite significant disturbances.
To say that the Dance was Jahearys's fault is truly dumb. His wise decision to call the Great Council to decide the succession was in fact what prevented the dance to happen decades before the actual timeline. Viserys' arrogance and blindness are what caused the Dance
@@johanliebert4622 You mean choosing Baelon the Brave - the guy who was raised since childhood as the spare heir, beloved war hero, rider of Vhagar, seasoned bureaucrat, father of two sons and a model heir - over Rhaenys, the pregnant teen? Yeah, what a dumb choice.
@@johanliebert4622if Jaehaerys chose Rhaenys, he undermines his own legitimacy as that would suggest his elder sister Rhaena and her twin daughters have a better claim to the throne than his own line. Choosing Rhaenys creates more conflict in prior precedent.
@@RedSands8921to be fair by this point that would not matter,Rhaenys had died of old age long before him, one of her daughters is a septa who may have died at this point, and the other was killed by [REDACTED] soo no one of her line can make that claim.
13:15 how did primogeniture favoured Laenor? absolute primogeniture would still give Rhaenys the chance to be Queen. Male primogeniture (agnatic primogeniture) would still favour Viserys since women would be barred from being inheriting.
I want to add my piece to the discussion about Jaehaerys and Alysanne and their children. The marriage policy of D and A is not as bad as it seems at first glance. Of all their surviving adult children, only three had dragons. And if in some cases (Vaegon, Daella and Gael, maybe Maegelle) this can be explained by their character, then the absence of a dragon in the case of Saera is rather strange. The age of creating a bond with a dragon and becoming a rider is very different: for some, the dragon egg hatches already in the cradle and one only has to wait for the dragon to grow up; Rhaenyra and Aemon became riders at nine and ten years old respectively; Aemon, Jae's son, became one only at sixteen or seventeen. How can this be explained? In addition to the very obvious favoritism towards Aemon, Baelon, Alyssa and Maegelle, there exist quite sound arguments about the future of the dynasty. According to Viserys, Jaehaerys himself said that too many dragons are as dangerous as too few. This could be seen at the first Great Council, when Jae was choosing his heir. Claims to the throne were made directly by members of the ruling dynasty, junior dynasts and even bastards whose connection to the Targaryens was not always so obvious. Bypassing Rhaenys and choosing Viserys, moreover, set a very dangerous precedent in the form of a Targaryen princess owning a dragon marrying outside her family. Moreover, she could take dragon eggs and give them to her children in the hope that they would hatch. Why is this precedent dangerous? Here's why. What is a medieval marriage? It is a contract between two aristocratic families with mutual benefit for both parties (ideally). Usually, such a contract implies existence of heirs, but not always. Sometimes it was an attempt, conscious or not, to remove "extra" family members who could cause inconvenience. Example: former Queen Catherine from the glorious and ancient Valois family who became the wife of the Welsh(!) courtier(!!) Owen Tudor, who did not even have a noble title(!!!). Permission for the marriage was given by Catherine's own son (and his regency council), most likely to distance the widowed queen from the court of the new king of England and France. Owen and Catherine did have offspring, and it was thanks to their pedigree that they were able to claim first a place in the capital, and then a profitable marriage with the Lancasters, but permission for Catherine's marriage was clearly not given with such a calculation in mind. Now let's imagine that Vizerra was married to Manderlys, but not to Theomore, but to his grandson-potential heir, and they had sons. Or that Rodrik Arryn had suddenly awakened as the kingmaker and decided to put forward Aemma's candidacy at the Great Council. Even if none of them got the throne, they could very well have laid claim to the dragon eggs for their children, as Rhaenys and her Velaryon children did. And that already poses a danger to the Targaryens, if not to the entire continent as a whole. What did I mean by all of this? Jaehaerys was very lucky that Maegelle, Vaegon, Saera and Gael decided to withdraw from the affairs of the kingdom and did not lay claim to the throne and dragons, thereby planting a time bomb under the Targaryen dynasty. And that Alysanne was arranging marriages for Daella and Vizerra with the expectation that they would become wives of rich and powerful lords, but would not leave behind children who could pose a danger to the reigning branch of the Targaryens.
He wasn't a terrible father,his first five kids turned out to be great (aemon,baelon,alyssa,maegelle and vaegon).Daella was kind of his fault but in a society like westeros people were expected to marry early.Saera was just cruel,she had a ton of opportunities to not be banished yet she kept doing the wrong thing like mentioning maegor or trying to get balerion.Viserra was more alysanne fault since she arranged that marriage with old lord manderly.He isn't perfect but isn't the worst either like tywin,randyll tarly,Balon greyjoy
@@blackflagsnroses6013 He had a close relationship with Alyssa and Maegelle who both loved him. Maegelle even went out of her way to mend the beef between him and Alysanne. Saera was a bad egg similar to Aemond or Arion Brightflame considering she takes pride in building a sex slave business empire in essos.
@@blackflagsnroses6013 Deala gave her years to pick her husband even after she broke her betrothal and insulted that house for without his knowledge because of a tree marriage a great house ( life expectancy for medieval age is 31) Vissere : died because of drunk driving from a betrothal from alyssane. I repeat alyssane set up the marriage. Seara : had an orgy , lied , compared herself to to meager ( the uncle who killed his brother ,tortured to death the other , raped his sister , and terrorized his life for years ) , when sent to repent in the equivalent to boarding school became a literal super whore Geal: that just alyssane Honestly I want to know why alyssane sabotaged daemons and vissera marriages.
Good video overall, but I’d argue the title is misleading. While he was partially responsible, Viserys bears greater responsibility. He chose to remarry without addressing succession properly and failed to name Aegon as his heir after his birth. Additionally, Viserys could have resolved much of the conflict by establishing a law that the eldest child, regardless of gender, would inherit the Iron Throne. Instead, he only named Rhaenyra, leaving the issue open to dispute. That said, Jaehaerys made his own missteps, such as not naming Rhaenys as his heir and not arranging a marriage between Rhaenys and Viserys to unify claims. Both share some blame, but Viserys's decisions carry the greater weight.
I think this was caused by a ineffective king and scheming, Lords like the war of the five kings I mean, I see Otto Hightower is like littlefinger who thrives in chaos and would see the continent burn if his grandson will be king of the ashes, and Daemon Targaryen is essentially Jamie Lannister with political ambitions, the rouge warrior whose actions cause chaos and disaster
I like this video but it’s not his fault … every king is different .. he could have made it law that no woman could inherit the throne and then whoever sat the Iron throne after him could have changed that
it is highly likely that the forces of Oldtown through the Citidel got nervous at how fast the Dragon Lords were procreating and had a hand in killing off thier children to minimise the threat the Dragon Lords possed to the previous Lords of defacto rulers of westeros... Oldtown VS Targaryan... since day one
I blame the Dance on Viserys and the Greens ambitions. Ultimately all these people were dumb fighting over royalty and killing dragons for it. Can’t they just all be content with being dragonlords they’re so dumb. Who cares about the crown honestly so long as your part of house Targ with dragons you’re set for life
My favorite character in fire and blood but (possible spoilers) he is pretty misogynistic and takes credit for a lot of the Good Queen’s ideas. Dude couldn’t just make his succession easy because his claim was based in his being a male, if it wasn’t based solely in that he was usurping his sister.
I literally dont even know anyone in westeros, aside from Dorne, who isnt Misogynistic. Its based on a fuedal medieval society. Even noble and good characters like Eddard Stark or Jon Arryn are misogynistic. The only reason why Dorne isnt the same is because it was conquered and formed by a warrior queen who brought a shit ton of her own people to intermix their culture with the first men and andal adventurers culture. It helps that they remained independent for so long aswell.
@ absolutely but re-reading Fire and blood I just caught a lot more than the first time. Like Jaehaerys barely acknowledges his own daughters humanity, like he doesn’t even really seem to know who they are personally. He will hear his wife out to shut her up but if her idea works he gets all the credit. I get why he didn’t want his daughter who fled to Essos back but that seemed to be the most interaction he had with any of his daughters. Not to mention he was arguing for rights to first night when (at least upon multiple re reads) he doesn’t come off as the type unless that’s the in world maesters just covering up for him.
In regards to the great council when you give people a choice in the future they're more likely to choose whom/what is best for themselves not whats best for the country Viserys was weak and easily persuaded king
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"Which of these old men am I fighting? "
The king stood up
"This old man"
So fucking badass.
Chad King
That’s why he’s the goat! The goat!
"The king who couldn't stop the dance."
Except he literally did stop a Dance. The reason he summoned a Great Council was because Corlys and Daemon were gearing for war on behalf of their candidates (Laenor & Viserys). He knew that if he arbitrarily chose one candidate, the loser would challenge the choice as soon as Jaehaerys died. At worst it would've been as destructive as the OG dance. At best it would've split the kingdoms he had spent his entire life binding together to pieces.
What Jaehaerys did ensured that when he died, even a pushover weakling like Viserys could reign for 26 years unchallenged.
What Viserys did was the complete opposite thing Jaehaerys did and that's what caused the Dance. Blaming the former's choices on the latter is disingenuous. When a drunk driver kills a pedestrian, it's the driver whose liable - not the DMV that issued the licence.
He literally almost started a dance himself by passing over Rhaenys considering some lords chose her over Baelon. The only reason it didn't happen was because of Vaegon urging him to call a great council.
The former's choices do fall on him when you consider his choices may have very well left Rhaenys, a person more than likely more suited for the role, unchosen because the council, whose votes were not released mind you, chose Viserys, whose foolish reign was well documented and demonstrated what not to do as a monarch. Next to that it set a precedent that was the greens main point in starting a civil war and with said precedent remaining well after the council and bloody conflict in possibly brushing aside potentially good monarchs.
You can not say Jaehaerys was faultless when you consider his rise to the throne was not without issue in pushing aside his elder sister and nieces, and at the end of it being so infirm with his succession. Him calling a great council gave one side of the future conflict a motive to make a bloody play for the throne when his successor, Viserys, already chose his daughter to succeed him.
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Which lords (apart from her husband and uncle) chose Rhaenys over Baelon? Better yet, simply mention the passage that says this.
It's hilarious that you hold Jaehaerys (DMV) liable for Viserys' (drunk driver) actions when it was Viserys who pulled a succession crisis out of thin air. It was his choice to name his daughter as heir over his 3 sons that caused the civil war. Did Jaehaerys make him do that? Did Jaehaerys make him have 3 sons? Did Jaehaerys make him give those 3 sons dragons? Did Jaehaerys make him isolate Rhaenyra in a secluded island castle for almost a decade? Did Jaehaerys make him appoint all the Greens to the small council? Viserys did absolutely everything to create a civil war.
As for Jaehaerys' rise - you clearly haven't read the book. His older sister literally flew to him and presented him with Blackfyre. The same sister also abdicated her daughters' claims in favour of Jaehaerys.
I suggest reading the damn book before yapping.
Well he couldn’t stop his wife leaving his ass. Dude kept a realm together but couldn’t keep his family together. Poor father too.
Exactly. Jaehaerys was literally the one king who recognized that his simply declaring an heir on his own would not prevent a Dance-style civil war, and who figured out a way to prevent it. The Great Council provided a roadmap for how to resolve a contested succession without a civil war, and also a set of de facto laws of succession - had Viserys followed either of those, there would almost certainly have been no Dance after his death. However, the threat of a Dance was just as great at the end of Jaehaerys' reign, but his actions prevented one. Nothing Jaehaerys did was responsible for Viserys making the decisions he did, and there was nothing he could have done to prevent those decisions or prevent them from leading to war.
@SilentSkipper117
That's foolhardy, Jaehaerys did everything right in regards to succession. Viserys screwed it all up
Jaehaerys was one of the best kings of westeros. He codified laws, built roads, stopped a dornish invasion in a day, and made royal progressions throughout the kingdom. Aegon the conqueror took the 7 Kingdoms but Jaehaerysmade them one. Also he rode Vermithor the third largest dragon.
I would add that his queen did play a important role in building up his legacy since quite some inventions were made due to her influence.
I would argue Jaehaerys and Alysanne were the undisputed best monarchs the unified kingdoms ever had.
Jaehaerys was the ideal heir that Aegon I wanted to come after him. His own sons were either too weak or too cruel.
Alysanne: "The Lyseni have turned our daughter into a whore."
Jaehaerys: "She always was."
That's...savage.
Martin is a bit weird about this topic, in my opinion
@@WizardsandWarriors Yeah, agreed. He has a few topics like that I've noticed.
It's pretty important to note that this is coming from a history written in-universe by a Maester, and which is pretty misogynistically slanted.
Plus while Jaehaerys was probably the best king of Westeros, that just means he's the best of a really bad bunch - and many of his flaws spring directly from his misogyny and the limits of his love for his wife and his daughters. He married one off too young, leading to her death in childbed, was so harsh on another based on suspicion and teenage rebellion that he killed her friends and sent her to the Faith, and married another of his teenage daughters to a man old enough to be her grandfather, against her wishes.
He's credited with ending the Right of the First Night as well - but he was unwilling to do that until his wife all but forced him; he tried to make excuses for what amounts to institutionalized rape, and was rightly called out on it by Alysanne.
And finally, the Dance arguably results from him being unwilling to use his long reign and high legitimacy to institutionalize proper inheritance laws for the Targaryen throne, which is directly related to issues of female inheritance.
@@qafiansage4234 Fair points!
Say what you will about Jaehaerys’ tenure as king but you can’t deny that he had a rather…poor relationship with some of his daughters.
"Which of these old men do you mean me to fight?" " This old man, the one whose daughter you seduced and spoiled" love Jaehaerys for that line
The King who couldn't stop the dance?? if Viserys had followed the rules left in place by Jaehaerys, there would be no dance.
Man I'm just amazed about the amount of effort you put in these video. Keep up the good work.
By westerosi standards (and probably many other standards too), he was the greatest king of all time.
But even the greatest rulers make costly
Mistakes and plant seeds for future issues.
What seed did Jaehaerys plant? Because the dance was entirely Viserys' fault, for not naming Aegon as his heir, passing Rhaenyra over would not have caused such a division
Viserys had 2 options to avoid war: not marry and keep Rhaenyra as heir to the throne (that was completely an option, no one could force him to have another wife) or marry and be forced to name his first son as heir to the iron throne, passing Rhaenyra in favor of Aegon
@ plenty could be attributed to jaehaerys’ actions or inaction. And no. The dance was not ‘entirely’ Viserys’ fault. That’s not how it works when we discuss major dynastic disputes with roots that go back decades before they happen.
It’s not calling him a bad king, it’s just acknowledging that decisions he made had ramifications that impacted the kingdom after his passing.
@@MaceAhWindu Jaehaerys was already dead when the dance happened, why do you keep insisting it's his fault? Is it also Aegon I fault that the war happened because he created the Iron Throne?
Viserys was a good person, but a weak ruler; easily influenced, prey to his desires, and unable to compromise, he had to choose an heir and do everything in his power to ensure that his succession was secure. A good heir is half of his work as a monarch
When he spoke to Lyonel Strong privately, he wished he had been tested in his reign, had wars to fight and stuff. The joke of this statement is that HE WAS being tested, his test was his family, and he failed, he became the root of the problems
While Jaehaerys and Alysanne were indeed the greatest king and queen of Westerosi history, I always thought their personal stories were quite sad. They outlived most of their children, and had so many tragedies in the family, one simply couldn't count. I truly felt sorry for them reading Fire and Blood.
You're title is wrong y'all. Jaehaerys was one of the best kings Westeros had, and managed to somehow hold the realm together through relative peace despite significant disturbances.
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To say that the Dance was Jahearys's fault is truly dumb. His wise decision to call the Great Council to decide the succession was in fact what prevented the dance to happen decades before the actual timeline. Viserys' arrogance and blindness are what caused the Dance
He was partly to blame for choosing Baelon over Rhaenys
@johanliebert4622 that was the wisest decision he ever made
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You mean choosing Baelon the Brave - the guy who was raised since childhood as the spare heir, beloved war hero, rider of Vhagar, seasoned bureaucrat, father of two sons and a model heir - over Rhaenys, the pregnant teen?
Yeah, what a dumb choice.
@@johanliebert4622if Jaehaerys chose Rhaenys, he undermines his own legitimacy as that would suggest his elder sister Rhaena and her twin daughters have a better claim to the throne than his own line. Choosing Rhaenys creates more conflict in prior precedent.
@@RedSands8921to be fair by this point that would not matter,Rhaenys had died of old age long before him, one of her daughters is a septa who may have died at this point, and the other was killed by [REDACTED] soo no one of her line can make that claim.
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Cool, thanks for the lore break-down!
One of the more impressive fictional rulers as they go
LOVE your content guys! Specially the ones from GOT. thanks For this
Thank you for this clear explanation of the succession. Find it surprising that the Starks favored a female heir and Queen.
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how did primogeniture favoured Laenor? absolute primogeniture would still give Rhaenys the chance to be Queen. Male primogeniture (agnatic primogeniture) would still favour Viserys since women would be barred from being inheriting.
I want to add my piece to the discussion about Jaehaerys and Alysanne and their children. The marriage policy of D and A is not as bad as it seems at first glance. Of all their surviving adult children, only three had dragons. And if in some cases (Vaegon, Daella and Gael, maybe Maegelle) this can be explained by their character, then the absence of a dragon in the case of Saera is rather strange. The age of creating a bond with a dragon and becoming a rider is very different: for some, the dragon egg hatches already in the cradle and one only has to wait for the dragon to grow up; Rhaenyra and Aemon became riders at nine and ten years old respectively; Aemon, Jae's son, became one only at sixteen or seventeen. How can this be explained? In addition to the very obvious favoritism towards Aemon, Baelon, Alyssa and Maegelle, there exist quite sound arguments about the future of the dynasty.
According to Viserys, Jaehaerys himself said that too many dragons are as dangerous as too few. This could be seen at the first Great Council, when Jae was choosing his heir. Claims to the throne were made directly by members of the ruling dynasty, junior dynasts and even bastards whose connection to the Targaryens was not always so obvious. Bypassing Rhaenys and choosing Viserys, moreover, set a very dangerous precedent in the form of a Targaryen princess owning a dragon marrying outside her family. Moreover, she could take dragon eggs and give them to her children in the hope that they would hatch. Why is this precedent dangerous? Here's why.
What is a medieval marriage? It is a contract between two aristocratic families with mutual benefit for both parties (ideally). Usually, such a contract implies existence of heirs, but not always. Sometimes it was an attempt, conscious or not, to remove "extra" family members who could cause inconvenience. Example: former Queen Catherine from the glorious and ancient Valois family who became the wife of the Welsh(!) courtier(!!) Owen Tudor, who did not even have a noble title(!!!). Permission for the marriage was given by Catherine's own son (and his regency council), most likely to distance the widowed queen from the court of the new king of England and France. Owen and Catherine did have offspring, and it was thanks to their pedigree that they were able to claim first a place in the capital, and then a profitable marriage with the Lancasters, but permission for Catherine's marriage was clearly not given with such a calculation in mind. Now let's imagine that Vizerra was married to Manderlys, but not to Theomore, but to his grandson-potential heir, and they had sons. Or that Rodrik Arryn had suddenly awakened as the kingmaker and decided to put forward Aemma's candidacy at the Great Council. Even if none of them got the throne, they could very well have laid claim to the dragon eggs for their children, as Rhaenys and her Velaryon children did. And that already poses a danger to the Targaryens, if not to the entire continent as a whole.
What did I mean by all of this? Jaehaerys was very lucky that Maegelle, Vaegon, Saera and Gael decided to withdraw from the affairs of the kingdom and did not lay claim to the throne and dragons, thereby planting a time bomb under the Targaryen dynasty. And that Alysanne was arranging marriages for Daella and Vizerra with the expectation that they would become wives of rich and powerful lords, but would not leave behind children who could pose a danger to the reigning branch of the Targaryens.
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Hey guys can you maybe do a video of Kull of Atlantis and the Thurian Age? Maybe also the Zimiamvian books as well.
Great king, terrible father.
More like rebellious and unfortunate children
He wasn't a terrible father,his first five kids turned out to be great (aemon,baelon,alyssa,maegelle and vaegon).Daella was kind of his fault but in a society like westeros people were expected to marry early.Saera was just cruel,she had a ton of opportunities to not be banished yet she kept doing the wrong thing like mentioning maegor or trying to get balerion.Viserra was more alysanne fault since she arranged that marriage with old lord manderly.He isn't perfect but isn't the worst either like tywin,randyll tarly,Balon greyjoy
@@Not_Wazzehe was pretty poor with daughters. Didn’t seem the type to care for a close relationship with the girls
@@blackflagsnroses6013 He had a close relationship with Alyssa and Maegelle who both loved him. Maegelle even went out of her way to mend the beef between him and Alysanne. Saera was a bad egg similar to Aemond or Arion Brightflame considering she takes pride in building a sex slave business empire in essos.
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Deala gave her years to pick her husband even after she broke her betrothal and insulted that house for without his knowledge because of a tree marriage a great house ( life expectancy for medieval age is 31)
Vissere : died because of drunk driving from a betrothal from alyssane. I repeat alyssane set up the marriage.
Seara : had an orgy , lied , compared herself to to meager ( the uncle who killed his brother ,tortured to death the other , raped his sister , and terrorized his life for years ) , when sent to repent in the equivalent to boarding school became a literal super whore
Geal: that just alyssane
Honestly I want to know why alyssane sabotaged daemons and vissera marriages.
Nice! Thanks!
Can't wait to see your version of all the dragons of the Dance era. And also avoid the comments whenever you talk about Rhaenyra or Alicent.
Good video overall, but I’d argue the title is misleading. While he was partially responsible, Viserys bears greater responsibility. He chose to remarry without addressing succession properly and failed to name Aegon as his heir after his birth. Additionally, Viserys could have resolved much of the conflict by establishing a law that the eldest child, regardless of gender, would inherit the Iron Throne. Instead, he only named Rhaenyra, leaving the issue open to dispute.
That said, Jaehaerys made his own missteps, such as not naming Rhaenys as his heir and not arranging a marriage between Rhaenys and Viserys to unify claims. Both share some blame, but Viserys's decisions carry the greater weight.
More game of thrones please !
Very fascinant
I think this was caused by a ineffective king and scheming, Lords like the war of the five kings I mean, I see Otto Hightower is like littlefinger who thrives in chaos and would see the continent burn if his grandson will be king of the ashes, and Daemon Targaryen is essentially Jamie Lannister with political ambitions, the rouge warrior whose actions cause chaos and disaster
thinking back on the old kings Reign .
I can say he was right on almost everything . In all honesty alyssane was the fuck up between them.
Lmao, Jaehaerys was a lot more than just the King "Before the Dance". The Dance of the Dragons was 100% the fault of Viserys, not his grandsire's.
What full lores are you currently making/compiling?
Wrong, don't blame Viserys' foolishness on my boy the GOAT Jaehaerys.
how much drama you can made up before is unrealistic
GRRM : YES
Fire and Blood is just the refurbished story of Clash of Kings
Let’s be honest. Gayman Targaryen dying young is a mercy with that name
I like this video but it’s not his fault … every king is different .. he could have made it law that no woman could inherit the throne and then whoever sat the Iron throne after him could have changed that
"Messy and aggressive Maegor"
Goddamn
Still better than the British Monarchy.
Cool video please do elder scrolls next
it is highly likely that the forces of Oldtown through the Citidel got nervous at how fast the Dragon Lords were procreating and had a hand in killing off thier children to minimise the threat the Dragon Lords possed to the previous Lords of defacto rulers of westeros...
Oldtown VS Targaryan... since day one
Jaehaerys the Wise. The greatest targaryen king 🫅🫅🫅🫅🫅
Team green here for the one true King Aegon second of his name 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
Why it says upload 11 minutes ago but comments here are 13 hours and there's a 1 day comment?
Patrons get early access
@WizardsandWarriors ohh i see, thank you haha i didn't know that
Humble suggest you change the title.
Edit: thank you
Title is misleading
I blame the Dance on Viserys and the Greens ambitions. Ultimately all these people were dumb fighting over royalty and killing dragons for it. Can’t they just all be content with being dragonlords they’re so dumb. Who cares about the crown honestly so long as your part of house Targ with dragons you’re set for life
Man so many people are losing their minds over that title. Excellent tactic for upping engagement I guess lol
1st for House Blackfyre
50 years too early mate
My favorite character in fire and blood but (possible spoilers) he is pretty misogynistic and takes credit for a lot of the Good Queen’s ideas. Dude couldn’t just make his succession easy because his claim was based in his being a male, if it wasn’t based solely in that he was usurping his sister.
I literally dont even know anyone in westeros, aside from Dorne, who isnt Misogynistic. Its based on a fuedal medieval society. Even noble and good characters like Eddard Stark or Jon Arryn are misogynistic. The only reason why Dorne isnt the same is because it was conquered and formed by a warrior queen who brought a shit ton of her own people to intermix their culture with the first men and andal adventurers culture. It helps that they remained independent for so long aswell.
@ absolutely but re-reading Fire and blood I just caught a lot more than the first time. Like Jaehaerys barely acknowledges his own daughters humanity, like he doesn’t even really seem to know who they are personally. He will hear his wife out to shut her up but if her idea works he gets all the credit. I get why he didn’t want his daughter who fled to Essos back but that seemed to be the most interaction he had with any of his daughters.
Not to mention he was arguing for rights to first night when (at least upon multiple re reads) he doesn’t come off as the type unless that’s the in world maesters just covering up for him.
The great council was the first of many decisions across the years that led to the dance
26 years of continuous peace was what the great council led to.
🧢🧢🧢
In regards to the great council when you give people a choice in the future they're more likely to choose whom/what is best for themselves not whats best for the country Viserys was weak and easily persuaded king
Maegor did nothing wrong