Old post I know, but I'm sure there are even more idiots without caravans that do exactly the same thing. I know I've seen plenty whilst towing a caravan. Pulling out from a slip lane, making no attempt to speed up to match with the traffic, until they've pulled in to the left lane, then accelerating away.
I used to pull into lane 2 to allow entry from a filter lane, whilst pulling my caravan, until a car driver thought it was a good idea, to undertake me dangerously, because he couldn't spare a couple of seconds, for me to pull back into lane 1, leaving me stranded in lane 2. I never pull out now, I stay in lane 1 and they have to adjust their speed, to fit in with mine.
Got to hate people like that, dawdling along in the outer lanes and then crossing several lanes at the last second regardless of who they screw up in the process.
I'm sticking my two penneth in for the sake of it, firstly it can be in the third lane where its a four lane carriageway, but not when its a three lane carriageway, also its restricted to 60mph, so I'm guessing its probably speeding, no matter what age a driver is, its not an excuse for bad and or dangerous driving, this manoeuvre was naive and dangerous, far too late to decide to come off.
The caravan was behind the truck , aren't trucks limited to 56mph and did the white van coming through on the inside create the situation by not allowing him to get over more safely, a lot of anomalies in that situation personally I would have gone for the next junction.
Haunter.. yes he can go in the middle lanes just not the outer lane(fast lane) but he is in the wrong as any outer lanes are only for over taking then you should go back to the inside lane and not sit in the outer lanes. It happens and they don't seem to realise what they are doing.
Sat navs? They advise people of their exits *way* in advance. The *signs* on the road advise people of their exits *way* in advance. These people are just pure, 100% unadulterated imbeciles.
As a responsible road user (yes and I tow a trailer for business and a caravan for leisure) this is typically why we get such a bad reputation, like other professional drivers many of us do drive within the law and our limitations with due consideration for others. This idiot should gave his license revoked 😡😡😡
As a professional driver he should have driven defensively and been in anticipation of what the idiots around him are doing..blowing the horn didn't make any difference here..but dropping back a couple of feet would have..I drive every day professionally and realise we are all idiots on the road..so watch out for the idiots...
Hi Keith, how's it going? May I feature this clip on my channel? Also, do you have any additional comments on the incident? Thanks for your consideration
The one point that virtually everyone who has commented seems to have missed, Lane Discipline. I`m a professional driver and that car/caravan combo was still in lane three after the 100yard marker and then dove across for the sliproad at the last minute. And yes you may feature this clip along with my credit.
The worst driving experience of my life last December, dark and very foggy. I was trying to get on to the M11 from the M25, traffic was heaving and because of the heavy fog no one would let me in. I accelerated but to my horror I had run out of slip road. What should I have done?
@@johnstarkie9948 on reflection that was the obvious thing to do. As I said it was a terrible night, fog, limited visibility and my inexperince on driving on motorways. I paniced put my foot down on the accelerator ,moved out into the first lane and hoped for the best. Someone was watching over me that night.
Okay, a lot of debate of why the caravan driver was in Lane 3, but What’s that idiot doing in Lane 2 at 00:30 undertaking? Good job the caravan driver stayed where he was. And as for the over reaction and lack of experience at the end? No one also says much about drivers too close up someones backside nowadays, the bandits. So many c**p drivers about!
People make mistakes. People towing c/vans are probably visiting tourists who may not know the road. Tolerance, patience and proper defensive driving techniques will make everyone feel better and calmer.
@@petercartledge5088 Don't make excuses for the idiot towing the caravan. The signs for the services start at one mile, then half a mile, so the caravanner had plenty of time to get into the appropriate lane.
In my opinion he has every right to undertake as the idiot with the caravan is in the wrong lane , I see it every day on the m6 even see police vehicles doing it . The crap driver is in Lane 3 towing a single axle caravan , if it was a twin axle it would be safer .
In some Australian states you can only do 100km/h (60mph) on the freeway if towing. I've seen caravanners sitting in lane 3 of a 4-lane freeway doing about 70km/h (45mph) while every other driver whizzes past doing the 110km/h (68mph) speed limit. You get a lot of caravanners in Australia who are retirees. They've probably spent their life driving something like a Corolla or Commodore, then go out and buy a Dodge RAM or Landcruiser 300 as a tow vehicle for their 3.5t caravan. Absolutely no idea how to tow, and many don't even use towing mirrors. Then they get caught up in the outback trying to compete with a 175 ft road train on a dirt road, and often roll over.
At 60mph on a motorway with a caravan you have a warning one mile ahead. That's exactly 60 seconds to prepare. With a caravan you're at least twice your normal length. Get into lane 1. It's not rocket science.
In this case what difference would that have made ? Lane hogging is illegal the police are supposed to stop it , but I see them doing if all the time as well.
The white mini van blocked him..he stopped an accident by not cutting up the little van ..who was the bad driver here..why is everyone knocking the caravan. He indicated ...the van stuck too close..the caravan decided not to rusk it and so nearly missed his junction. Obviously to me anyway
He probably tried to overtake the red truck but then lost speed and couldn't...trucks don't change there speed and why should they...then he was stuck in the wrong lane ..why am I even writing this? Oh yeah I have a 1000 mile tow to do tomorrow
@@paradox2807 Undertaking is generally illegal on motorways in the UK, and should only be done in exceptional circumstances (Undertaking is when a vehicle passes another vehicle on its left side). The Citroen van driver and you were both in the wrong; he was undertaking likely in a blind spot and blocking the 2nd lane; while you were in such a hurry to get content you were undertaking and driving too fast to react properly to the road conditions ahead, very slow on the brakes. So maybe not a good idea to let others use your "content", because it's likely to be posted on "drivers who supply enough evidence to get themselves fined". (Had the slip road started on the motorway, with markings separating that and the motorway; then it's legal to go faster than vehicles on the motorway, if conditions allow). Keep driving like this and you'll end up in the back of a caravan....
@@irresistablejewelWell said. Passing on the inside is fraught with danger as the vehicle which you are undertaking may pull back to his left lane and shouldn’t have to assume that someone is passing him on the inside (the wrong side!). Having said that it makes sense always to check first.
Where else could he park his rig, the signs often say HGV's and caravans this way ? Why do HGV drivers have to drive on their limiter all the time, even though it means that they are overtaking another limited HGV for a mile or so, selfish and they all do it.
Driver: hey wifey you ok? Wifey: yeah I'm good ... Driver: life is beautiful ! Wifey: yeaAAss Driver: oh look a service area just there, let's grab some food! THE FACTS: 1/2mile away Hartshead Moor Services sign comes up. Where is the driver? Two lanes away from Services exit. 1/2 mile IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH distance to negotiate the manoeuvre / exit, worst even when you are towing. Any good and considerate driver knows that.
I would have crashed straight into the back of his caravan rather than attempting to slow. Had there been a collision he probably could have had his license revoked (or at lease a few points and a large fine for lane hogging, cutting across two lanes of traffic and dangerous driving)
Great idea! Risk a fatal crash when the caravan jack knifed and took other vehicles with it, close the motorway for six hours, wait for the police and rescue truck to arrive, explain everything to your boss, sort out the insurance, get home at fuck knows when and risk the insurance companies partly blaming you for being part of an avoidable accident. You have the mind of a genius!
Hit the caravan, front truck tyre blows or gets hung up on the car, truck jackknifes, you get thrown out the cab and the truck rolls over you. Your dying view is of the driver who was towing the caravan bending over you asking if you are OK.
He is allowed to do 60 mph. It was obvious that he was being undertaken by the driver of the white van who is the real dipstick. It of been more helpful if you could have slowed down instead of contributing to the problem.
Old post I know, but I'm sure there are even more idiots without caravans that do exactly the same thing. I know I've seen plenty whilst towing a caravan. Pulling out from a slip lane, making no attempt to speed up to match with the traffic, until they've pulled in to the left lane, then accelerating away.
I used to pull into lane 2 to allow entry from a filter lane, whilst pulling my caravan, until a car driver thought it was a good idea, to undertake me dangerously, because he couldn't spare a couple of seconds, for me to pull back into lane 1, leaving me stranded in lane 2. I never pull out now, I stay in lane 1 and they have to adjust their speed, to fit in with mine.
@@stevezodiac491 me too, but sadly this numpty with the caravan gives us all a bad name.
Got to hate people like that, dawdling along in the outer lanes and then crossing several lanes at the last second regardless of who they screw up in the process.
but they all don't pull caravans, and thats a fact. i do tow a caravan and i am a coach driver, i know how to do things properly.
@waltmcv They didn't say all people with caravans. They said people, as in people in general who do it...
The van was in 2nd lane under taking caravan, stopping caravan moving in sooner
@@howyjones6797caravan should of been well over ages back
whats the issue.. all parties dealt with it just fine... he made a mistake .. Life stuff. Stop hating stuff you sad F
Some people think indicators cause all other traffic to slow down.
Should be an additional examination to tow large trailers/caravans by now.
There used to be but they recently did away with it. If you wish to tow you can so long as your vehicle and trailer are no heavier that 3.5T
If everyone had to retake their driving test every ten years, it would remove many poor and dangerous drivers who think they are good drivers.
@@WingNuts2010 imagine the chaos that would cause !!!
There is in all European countries except Britain.
Maybe he had to wait for the van undertaking just a thought
Yep, definitely. But they had plenty of time to move over and I’m guessing not very competent at diving on a highway.
I'm sticking my two penneth in for the sake of it, firstly it can be in the third lane where its a four lane carriageway, but not when its a three lane carriageway, also its restricted to 60mph, so I'm guessing its probably speeding, no matter what age a driver is, its not an excuse for bad and or dangerous driving, this manoeuvre was naive and dangerous, far too late to decide to come off.
The caravan was behind the truck , aren't trucks limited to 56mph and did the white van coming through on the inside create the situation by not allowing him to get over more safely, a lot of anomalies in that situation personally I would have gone for the next junction.
boring
@Keith C, Hi, could I use this clip on my channel, link ed and credited of course
Go on the Monash and how many trucks do you see in the outside lanes
Given thats a really good caravan I would NOT be chancing my atm with bad driving skills! What a 'kin numpty'😮🤨🤭🙏
The citreon van sped up whilst being over taken, then undertook. people constantly changing there speed on a motorway is annoying.
I've seen people race along the M6 with a caravan which is quite scary.
@BruceWayne-sz3th Vans sitting on your tail when there's heavy rain and you can't changed lanes as the other two are occupied.
@@Glenn1967ful that's ok if it is a twin axle .
The best thing I ever installed on my caravan is the rear-view camera. Worth every penny.
Just watch where you going, not us Lorry Drivers, you toeing a Trailer should be in first lane
Is a caravan even supposed to be out there? I thought they were confined to lane one?
Haunter.. yes he can go in the middle lanes just not the outer lane(fast lane) but he is in the wrong as any outer lanes are only for over taking then you should go back to the inside lane and not sit in the outer lanes. It happens and they don't seem to realise what they are doing.
Rocking in a free world no such thing as the fast lane, its 70 mph whichever lane you are in.
Yep I thought that right away imagine if he had to brake quick for any reason out there ...frightening
@@spinaway Not far ANY vehicle with a trailer!! It is an MAXIMUM of 60mph on motorways/dual carriageways.
Most people using sat navs do this 'cut n run' for the exit manoeuvre. Its flipping dangerous and has caused many exit junction accidents.
No excuse as the sat nav will tell you the distance to turn off so you can get in right lane early ..no these people are just idiots
Sat navs? They advise people of their exits *way* in advance. The *signs* on the road advise people of their exits *way* in advance. These people are just pure, 100% unadulterated imbeciles.
As a responsible road user (yes and I tow a trailer for business and a caravan for leisure) this is typically why we get such a bad reputation, like other professional drivers many of us do drive within the law and our limitations with due consideration for others. This idiot should gave his license revoked 😡😡😡
* Licence.
@@stevezodiac491 It can be spelled either way.
@@dalemacdonald201 Or spelt.....🙂
@@stevezodiac491 UK vs US spelling, however I've seen it used both ways in the UK the last few years.
As a professional driver he should have driven defensively and been in anticipation of what the idiots around him are doing..blowing the horn didn't make any difference here..but dropping back a couple of feet would have..I drive every day professionally and realise we are all idiots on the road..so watch out for the idiots...
Hi Keith, how's it going? May I feature this clip on my channel? Also, do you have any additional comments on the incident? Thanks for your consideration
The one point that virtually everyone who has commented seems to have missed, Lane Discipline. I`m a professional driver and that car/caravan combo was still in lane three after the 100yard marker and then dove across for the sliproad at the last minute. And yes you may feature this clip along with my credit.
@@paradox2807 Thank you Keith! Have a good one!
The worst driving experience of my life last December, dark and very foggy. I was trying to get on to the M11 from the M25, traffic was heaving and because of the heavy fog no one would let me in. I accelerated but to my horror I had run out of slip road. What should I have done?
Use the hard shoulder.
@@johnstarkie9948 on reflection that was the obvious thing to do. As I said it was a terrible night, fog, limited visibility and my inexperince on driving on motorways. I paniced put my foot down on the accelerator ,moved out into the first lane and hoped for the best. Someone was watching over me that night.
People make mistakes. We all need to learn to be patient.
Okay, a lot of debate of why the caravan driver was in Lane 3, but What’s that idiot doing in Lane 2 at 00:30 undertaking? Good job the caravan driver stayed where he was. And as for the over reaction and lack of experience at the end? No one also says much about drivers too close up someones backside nowadays, the bandits. So many c**p drivers about!
It was a 4 lane motorway, he can use lane 3.
People make mistakes. People towing c/vans are probably visiting tourists who may not know the road. Tolerance, patience and proper defensive driving techniques will make everyone feel better and calmer.
@@petercartledge5088 Don't make excuses for the idiot towing the caravan. The signs for the services start at one mile, then half a mile, so the caravanner had plenty of time to get into the appropriate lane.
In my opinion he has every right to undertake as the idiot with the caravan is in the wrong lane , I see it every day on the m6 even see police vehicles doing it . The crap driver is in Lane 3 towing a single axle caravan , if it was a twin axle it would be safer .
@@paulwainwright6903 not in the wrong lane
classic lane hogger. every. single. time 😵💫
The highway code dose not exsist anymore !!!
In some Australian states you can only do 100km/h (60mph) on the freeway if towing. I've seen caravanners sitting in lane 3 of a 4-lane freeway doing about 70km/h (45mph) while every other driver whizzes past doing the 110km/h (68mph) speed limit. You get a lot of caravanners in Australia who are retirees. They've probably spent their life driving something like a Corolla or Commodore, then go out and buy a Dodge RAM or Landcruiser 300 as a tow vehicle for their 3.5t caravan. Absolutely no idea how to tow, and many don't even use towing mirrors. Then they get caught up in the outback trying to compete with a 175 ft road train on a dirt road, and often roll over.
At 60mph on a motorway with a caravan you have a warning one mile ahead. That's exactly 60 seconds to prepare. With a caravan you're at least twice your normal length. Get into lane 1. It's not rocket science.
It hasn't had an MOT since 2019 so obviously got written off
I know this is an old post but the Govt introduced a test for towing a van, funny how that has now been rescinded!
In this case what difference would that have made ? Lane hogging is illegal the police are supposed to stop it , but I see them doing if all the time as well.
He wasn't towing a van though!
That caravan owner was very lucky that caravan sway didn’t take out the car and caravan
Jesus. Large trailers are too much responsibility for them.
Although the caravanner left it late , he was undertaken by two vehicles
In shear frustration.....that what hogging to the outer lane causes.....its not right but I understand why it happens.
The caravan should not heve been in thr 3rd lane of the motorway, it's illegal for artics, caravans and trailers.
@@bvgb921 Its the outside lane he should not be in...in this case thats lane 4.
Its not just artic trucks either its all HGVs.
@@bvgb921That's incorrect, a caravan or lorry can use the third lane on a four lane motorway
Can't tell if he slowed down or the white van speed up because he was passing the white van at 1 point.
Kartracer6 the white van definitely sped up and undertook the caravan because he was lanehogging
@@mystic_arts90 I think the white van driver slowed e down to deal with something more important than driving, like answering his phone.
@@mystic_arts90 the white van was blocking him from coming in from lane 3.
The white mini van blocked him..he stopped an accident by not cutting up the little van ..who was the bad driver here..why is everyone knocking the caravan. He indicated ...the van stuck too close..the caravan decided not to rusk it and so nearly missed his junction. Obviously to me anyway
He probably tried to overtake the red truck but then lost speed and couldn't...trucks don't change there speed and why should they...then he was stuck in the wrong lane ..why am I even writing this? Oh yeah I have a 1000 mile tow to do tomorrow
sind das deine ganzen Probleme ???
Maybe he wants his caravan flat packed?
Nearly ended up in the bloke's bedroom.
Caravan terrible yes but you also undertook the van to your right and that is terrible too !
If the traffic in the lane to your right is travelling slower than the lane you`re in then it`s not undertaking. Read the highway code.
@@paradox2807 Undertaking is generally illegal on motorways in the UK, and should only be done in exceptional circumstances (Undertaking is when a vehicle passes another vehicle on its left side). The Citroen van driver and you were both in the wrong; he was undertaking likely in a blind spot and blocking the 2nd lane; while you were in such a hurry to get content you were undertaking and driving too fast to react properly to the road conditions ahead, very slow on the brakes.
So maybe not a good idea to let others use your "content", because it's likely to be posted on "drivers who supply enough evidence to get themselves fined".
(Had the slip road started on the motorway, with markings separating that and the motorway; then it's legal to go faster than vehicles on the motorway, if conditions allow).
Keep driving like this and you'll end up in the back of a caravan....
@@irresistablejewelWell said. Passing on the inside is fraught with danger as the vehicle which you are undertaking may pull back to his left lane and shouldn’t have to assume that someone is passing him on the inside (the wrong side!). Having said that it makes sense always to check first.
Oh dear.....mad man.
Absolutely thrilling. Edge of the seat,spellbinding vision.
Sarcasm, the lowest form of wit.
man he probably was traveling with new to them van..
To slow to change back to left lane he should od moved back in as soon as the artic went back in
All caravaners should take a trailor test half of them cant back them up with out using motor mover
Clarkson should have been in video vehicle following, he would have blown an artery!😂
A simple person.
No doubt when he gets in the services he'll park in a HGV spot !
Where else could he park his rig, the signs often say HGV's and caravans this way ? Why do HGV drivers have to drive on their limiter all the time, even though it means that they are overtaking another limited HGV for a mile or so, selfish and they all do it.
Arse@@stevezodiac491
@@stevezodiac491 Elsewhere, he's not a HGV, & like most 'towers' hasn't got a clue, As for overtaking HGVs, pointless in this debate.
Bloody grockles!
Would have given him a friendly love tap to let him know I was there
He did try...lol
Cuntavan
The guy in the van should of pull out to over take van allowing caravan get in sooner
Calm down. Always expect something unexpected. Do not be surprised. Or act surprised. People are children.
But it's illegal for him to be in outer lane anyway! 😮
He wasn’t in the outer lane! He’s allowed to be in the third lane when there is 4.
you should have to sit a heavy vehicle test to tow something longer than the vehicle towing it
That's irrelevant in this case. Even if it were just a car being driven they would still be doing wrong.
why, the maajority know how to do things correctly. sadly showing your ignorance.
Getting all caravanners a bad name,was he prosecuted and banned before he causes a pile up!
What a prat
Driver: hey wifey you ok?
Wifey: yeah I'm good ...
Driver: life is beautiful !
Wifey: yeaAAss
Driver: oh look a service area just there, let's grab some food!
THE FACTS: 1/2mile away Hartshead Moor Services sign comes up.
Where is the driver? Two lanes away from Services exit.
1/2 mile IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH distance to negotiate the manoeuvre / exit, worst even when you are towing.
Any good and considerate driver knows that.
To make matters worse it said 1/3 mile
That’s way too high a trailer for single axle
l've seen worse
What an idiot should be banned
Does he not realise trailers and caravans are not allowed in the third or fourth lane.
He is British, its how it is, British born British bred strong in the arm and weak in the head.
Yorkshire reg , says it all , Yorkshiremen are never wrong
You need to get on the m6 try to get the foreigners driving taxis out of the middle lane and I bet most haven't even got a licence.
Sounding the horne did not do any good 😅
Might be a 11 year old boy
I hope you beat him up later.
CAMMER IS IN THE CARAVAN DRIVERS BLIND SPOT..... THEY SIMPLY DIDN'T SEE THEM...
Complete lack of driving skills.
typical coachman caravan driver
🤣🤣probably a typical comment from a bmw/audi driver. there you go we can all comment rubbish.
@@waltmcv the truth hurts Mr coachman lol
@@robertsmith9810 lol i don't drive a coachman, i drive a car that tow's the caravan. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
to much information ,guilty by association lol@@waltmcv
What's the Make Of The Caravan Got To Do With It? Yes This Caravanner Is A Prat But You Very Rarely See One Towing In The Third Lane..!
ILLEGAL to tow anything in right lane of motorway.
He is legal in the 3rd lane of a 4th lane carriageway. Not to look up your Highway Code!
Yes we see this every day!! Idiot car drivers.
Another rocket scientist! Take its licence away until its reset a driving test while towing, its obvious it's a danger to itself and other road users
it's illegal for a caravan to use the third lane
No it bloody isn't! They aren't allowed in the outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane highway, so he/she was fine in lane 3 on this 4 lane highway.
Yet another fully paid up card carrying member of the middle lane owners club.
I would have crashed straight into the back of his caravan rather than attempting to slow. Had there been a collision he probably could have had his license revoked (or at lease a few points and a large fine for lane hogging, cutting across two lanes of traffic and dangerous driving)
Not worth the hassle of all the paperwork when I get back to the depot :)
Great idea! Risk a fatal crash when the caravan jack knifed and took other vehicles with it, close the motorway for six hours, wait for the police and rescue truck to arrive, explain everything to your boss, sort out the insurance, get home at fuck knows when and risk the insurance companies partly blaming you for being part of an avoidable accident. You have the mind of a genius!
Uncle Jane worth every hassle to kill a caravan driver ;) xD
Hit the caravan, front truck tyre blows or gets hung up on the car, truck jackknifes, you get thrown out the cab and the truck rolls over you. Your dying view is of the driver who was towing the caravan bending over you asking if you are OK.
@@mystic_arts90 Wow!!
Could not drive a nail into a piece of wood.💩🤡😡😠
He is allowed to do 60 mph. It was obvious that he was being undertaken by the driver of the white van who is the real dipstick. It of been more helpful if you could have slowed down instead of contributing to the problem.