How To Fix a Stuck Date Wheel on a Seiko Watch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2019
- In this video I look at a Seiko 6309 watch movement that has been sent into me with a stuck date wheel problem to fix. I disassemble and explore the works to find the problem and then what to do to fix this issue. This was a very off the cuff video that I shot because I thought it might be useful for someone out there as a reference if they have the same issue with their own watch.
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Thank you very much! learning so much from you :-) One question, what is the movement holder you use that does hold the movement well?
I have a Seiko PADI 6N2040, date and day will not set and now it seems as if it's not working at all. Can you work on it or suggest a shop to send it to?
ddaggs50@gmail.com
I'm back watching this video a year later, watch is still working perfectly thanks to you buddy, keep up the great work.
Excellent! Just had finished watching the previous video on the C ring explanation and now you encounter said problem! Appreciate all the tips!
Thanks
Hi Michael, great video
I can confirm I bought the watch as faulty. Other than new bezel insert and mesh it's as I bought it. Glad I found you on your Facebook group 👍 looking forward to getting it back. I am on the look out for stock crystal and hands if anyone has any selling 👌
Very well done Mike.
That's a gorgeous seiko and great job !!!
Very well done. Love the music track as well!
Great detective work Sherlock, I’ve got a Seiko Prospex and I will keep an eye on this problem.👌🏾👌🏾
Thanks for video and comments. I have a Seiko 5 which has the same stuck date issue. I'll look at the things you suggested and demonstrated, and hopefully the watch gets repaired. I've subscribed. Thanks again.
thanks and good luck.
Thanks, Mike I'm just about to take my old 1984 Seiko 5 with the 6309 movement about as i have the same issue not changing at 12. Mine turned out to be the tiny plastic toothed wheel between the hour wheel and the plastic day change wheel. Now working fine.
Like your methodical approach
Thanks Max
Had this problem on my watch.. thanks a lot
Mike - One technique I have learned for removing those C rings on the day wheel especially with the flat side is down is to take a small screw driver and fit it in the open c ring gap. Twist slightly and this will open up the c ring enough to allow it to lift up and off the pinion. I believe this technique is outlined in some of the Seiko Tech Guides.
Another learning session. Thank you for sharing. These are the typical troubles that makes you crazy . Problem is when you don't have a donor to try replace pieces. Very useful!!
Very true. If I had no spares here then it would be a waiting game until some could be sought.
Very good Michael!👍. Enjoyed that problem solving video. Those nylon parts are a pain, waiting for a new movement for my son's flashy Tommy hillfiger watch. Tiny tiny nylon wheel broke, so just replace. Thanks again. Adrian
Adrian Birkett thanks Adrian. Sorry it seems I missed your comment
Nice video! thanks. keep them coming!
i really need this information. thankyou☺️☺️☺️
My Seiko 8123 had the same problem. One of the fingers on the nylon wheel broke.
I was able to fix it using your video as a guide so thanks!!!
Great to hear!
@@MyRetroWatches I think I broke it myself adjusting the date during the changeover. It was stuck. Pretty sure that’s how your watches broke also.
Thanks to this video, I was able to correct the day display on my old Seiko. What I discovered was that the center gear on the day display needed to be adjusted forward about half a day.
Glad it helped! its a common problem and my latest video was showing how to adjust that star gear. Thanks for watching.
@@MyRetroWatches It didn't take much force at all to move that gear. I didn't try to stake it to tighten it up, but it seems to be working okay since. Wonder why you see so many watches with the day mis-aligned?
My Seiko 5, 7009 push day, stuck on wrong language, & tried, wouldn't change.Tried everything! Finally read, ensure stem Clean when extended! Used toothbrush, gently polished stem. Really glistened. Works Perfect now, Such an Awesome Watch!
Looks to me like the problem was some poorly made franken parts. Good on you for sticking with it and having the professionalism not to complain about the dodgy bits.
I have a 6349A with a similar problem, so I know where I am going to look first. Thanks Mike. PS: Good editing.
Thanks Pal.
great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Useful videos...tutorials.
Great vid
Great! My Omega 1020 does not need a tweak, it needs a replacement part. It seems the nylon "fingers" waredout. That explains the inconsistency of the day/date jump.
Excellent vedio
This is a good example of why it's important not to change your day or date between the hours of 9 p.m. and 5 a.m. it will damage those plastic gears
That’s exactly how mine broke.
I just did it to mine. Doh...
That bent wire looks like something that is often in many vintage Timex watches to help hold the movement.
G'morning & great video Mike 😇. I enjoy the channel and this one is interesting to say the least especially since I have a micro brand watch with the nh35 in it that runs fine and has been a good watch but has the same duck date wheel problem. However since I paid less than $40 for it I'm probably better off just using it as is and at some point in time possibly just replacing the movement or maybe I'll use it as a modding project 😇 ...
thanks for the content, 2022.
I'm thinking of doing this to my 6109 which has a slightly wacky day date in you set the day by whizzing the hands round and you set the date by the crown pusher which on later Seiko's the crown pusher is done for the day and the date is set by moving crown to first click. However I do have a perfectly if date functionless working 6109 and the old adage of not fixing it til its actually broke comes to mind and just continue wearing it as a quite nice time teller :D
Interesting video
Great video. I have a 6349 movement with a day wheel that seems to get stuck half way between days. There seems to be no physical damage that I can see. The days and date both change fine when I set them via the crown in the 1st pulled position, however with the watch running normally or when I adjust the time advanced past midnight, the date changes fine, but the day moves and gets stuck half way. I’m contemplating purchasing a new day wheel as I see no issue with the gears. Although the day wheel spring feels extremely flimsy. Perhaps it has weakened and it’s allowing the day wheel to “click” into the next day. More troubleshooting to come.
What was the problem?
The date change finger is probably worn, or bent, or the spring may be broken. Tip, it’s never 👎 advisable to change the day/date between the times of 10:30 pm, and 2:30 am (some watches, this can take up to 5:00 am for the day/date cycle change to be complete). This can damage the day/date change mechanism. Your friend, Jeff.
That bent piece of wire holding the movement in place. I have seen a very similar wire holding the divers watches time dial to the bezel of the watch .
I seemed to be easy at first! But sometimes things get complicated. That green nylon wheel called my attention when you took the day wheel apart, I've never seen one in that color, was it original? Thankfully you saw the problem and could fix it, good job.
Excellent video. Thank you. That really is a Frankenstein mod, huh? ;)
Hi -- great videos. Ever run into the issue where day only partly changes overnight? Alternates English, then Spanish then English so progressively further behind yet works fine using quickset?
Bug hunting at its best, well done.
Really informative video! One of my watches keeps stopping right before the date change (11:37pm)- do you think it's something similar?
Having similar problem with my skx007J but its the day part thats not adjustable, just moves days when I shake around the whole watch in my hand. The day will move to Mon Tues Arabic etc (seems like a loose movement inside and is not catching the screw adjustment). What do you suggest I do to fix this problem?
What movement holder did you switch to? Trying to find a good one for 6309. Thanks.
I have a seiko 805 it was left in my car and got really hot well over 100 degrees anyway now the date and day doesn't work the time works perfectly through. Do you have any idea what could be wrong with it and what does repairs cost about?
Watch is a bit of a mish mash , but if you like it you like . another good video .
agreed. It was not my watch but one that was sent to me to be fixed. I am sure I said in the video (it was a while ago) that its full of aftermarket parts.
Hi how much this fixing cost + date wheel
That appears to be a repurposed bezel retaining spring and I wouldn't advise it being inside the case due to the risk of the tips of the wire interfering with moving parts.
It was in a recess between the movement ring and case. turns out the movement ring was just in upside down! once I assembled and put it in the right way the "wire" was no longer needed.
I have a vintage seiko tank watch with a quartz movement that I can set the date when winding the crown, but it will get stuck between days when the watch is in normal operating mode.
Any idea what could be behind this?
Thanks
cant really advise that much. The keyless works where the crown fits in controls all the quickset, the normal operation has a different set of mechanics. To diagnose the hands and dial would need to be removed to see what could be causing the problem.
Can the minute hand not be positioned 2 minutes earlier to ensure that it turns over at exactly midnight?
Hi. That piece of wire looks like the ones that secure the russian Vostok bezels. The date is not centered at the window. Is there any solution? Thank you for your videos.
carlos carvalhido yes a few people have said that about Vostok. As for the date it lines up fine. You have to make sure the donor comes from a watch with the same crown position. 4 o’clock in this instance. The day wheel you can tweak by moving the star wheel underneath however this is can also break it..
i have a Ricoh watch the date i moving with time what i should do
This watch looks like a partscaster to me. Start with an old (presumably authentic) movement and buy everything else needed, including the dial, from aliexpress.
Mike if you look up Spring wire lock for a Vostok bezel, looks exactly like that wire you got out of the Seiko...weird.
David Hammond It is exactly that ! I have a bag of them for my Wostok’s. I think someone was trying a Magyver !!!
Whare can't I buy the gears date n day?
Hey Michael, I have an vintage Giroxa Felsa 693 which the "day" wheel moves correctly but is misaligned in the wheel, I can only see half of the day.
Any ideas how to fix this one?
I dont know that movement to advise. Seikos have a star shaped gear that the disc is pressed onto. this can come loose over time. When it does I have corrected by using my tweezers to move the star gear.
There were a couple of bent teeth on the date ring near the 6 and 7 positions.
I have successfully straightened them before so there is no need to bin the part just yet.
Peter Horne thanks. I did notice a bent tooth ( thought I said in the video but maybe not) I will attempt to straighten and see if I can save it for the future.
@@MyRetroWatches Mike,
You did mention a bent tooth. I just wanted to point out that bent teeth are easily straightened. Aluminum wheels are super easy while plastic ones may need a bit of heat.
Great videos; keep them coming :-)
I've got the same issue, how did you fix that?
That green plastic gear ? Would brass be better? Love that metal band 👍
Seiko used a nylon gear on many 6309, 6139 and 6119 models. Sometimes the 6119 had steel ones but I dont recall ever opening a 6309 and finding a steel one. Also the green is unusual too as they are normally grey. I have seen a few green but definitely not common.
Hey, I have a Seiko LM 5606-7071 and the day date quickset is broken I think I may have the same problem as in this video, any idea where I can get this fixed could you help me out please
the LM run completely different and the date wheel issue is common but what it usually comes down to is a broken plastic nylon gear. You cant find this part either... Adrian of Vintage Time Australia has a video on this very movement. problem.
My Casio MTP1384L having same problem, do you think it may be the same reason?(date not changing)
Hard to say, most likely a quartz watch which will mean fragile parts that you can’t usually replace.
@@MyRetroWatches thanks for reply.
I’ve never seen that kind of ring that goes between the movement and case.
I don't suppose you know a resource like this for Orient movement repairs....
Does anyone know where I could find a NOS Date Wheel for a 6309A-7040? Window is at 3 and Crown at 4 o'clock. I have found several on ebay but they all seem to be the 801-601 part number which is for a 6309 with the date window and crown at 3 o'clock. Thanks!
Great video was that day advance part an original? It seemed to be poor quality versus the white color one. I guess they no longer use the metal type.
If possible could you point me in the direction to buy that pioneer movement holder?
Thanks for the video
mrclockman1950 hi the Pioneer is a vintage British made holder. You will have to scour eBay for one sadly as they are no longer made.
As for the plastic parts I’ve seen green ones before so they are genuine . Also the shroud that holds the pawl levers in the automatic framework is green on this one .
I’ve not seen metal parts in a 6309 I think .. perhaps early ones were but I would have to look to find out.
Thanks for your reply. The search is on for that pioneer.
Good stuff.Would I be correct to assume that the day/date calendar works are the same mechanical principal on a quartz analogue as well? Quick set etc are the same?Cheers.
Also is that old day wheel out of being true flat? Love this channel.
@@glennpowell3444 to my knowledge quickset is always a different mechanism to the the normal time date change at 12. As for the old date wheel. I could notice one tooth that was bent slightly downwards which probably was causing the main jam. All damage would have been caused by someone trying to turn the crown hard to get the quickset to work. the Date ring is very thin metal whereas the star gear that turns it on quickset it solid stainless steel. The steel will always win that fight!
@@MyRetroWatches Thank you! My father was an engineer and their gear trains used a nylon weak gear driven by steels that would fail in a moment and save damage elsewhere.
Glenn Powell I think here it’s just a cost thing . You find lots of plastic in the 7S26 movements which are in loads of Seikos
I'm having an issue with the date wheel on an NH36 Movement not quick setting after wheel swap. I can't seem to figure out problem is. Do you have any suggestions or ideas?
Not personally worked on the NH series. is it a day date or just a date. if both do both not work or just one part?
@@MyRetroWatches it's a day/date. The day works fine and the date will change only when it hits 12 midnight but I can't quick set the date.
WatchYouTech well quickset is driven by turning the crown. I’d have to look at the service manual for the NH but it will be driven by a gear that perhaps is either missing or fitted the wrong way.
Removing the dial and hands might give you enough to see what is missing .
If they are like the. 7S26 they have two white plastic gears that have to go on in a certain direction
That odd shaped ring is in fact for the bezil
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Why is Sunday a red square for the Roman numeral side of day wheel?
Because that’s how Seiko did it. I can’t answer any more than that. I love the red square to be honest.
Nice job but you haven't aligned the broader markers on the chapter ring with the dial indeces, not always straightforward and a minor point but it would certainly bug me.
Kie you know I didn’t even notice that! It’s not my watch and come to me like that. To nudge it around I would assume is a bezel and crystal off procedure unless it moves under the glass ( which I’ve done in other Seikos before). I don’t really want to be removing the crystal
The chapter ring goes in before the movement and is usually positioned with a small notch. If I remember correctly the locator for the notch is in the case or the dial and there is always a little bit of play but not that much so maybe something is awry.
Kie thanks. I will take a look and see. I’ve now stripped the movement anyway to service as despite fixing the issue it came to me to repair the movement was running too poor.
May as well finish the alignment too if I can access from inside .
Thanks
@@MyRetroWatches You're welcome Sir! The locating tab might be on the dial at the two o'clock position by the looks of things.
Servicing a 6309 now that has a missing finger.
I've got a 7s26, and my date position won't change the date
That looks like a Vostok bezel wire to me, almost identical in shape and gauge to those found in amphibias and komandirskies :)
Thats interesting. I have not put it back in as there was no need. The movement ring was installed upside down and then secured with that wire. I put the movement ring in the correct way and all is nice and tight.
I agree. I thought Vostok bezel spring immediately as well.
Although movement ring springs are normal in those old Seiko divers, I just think they lost or broke it and used a Vostok bezel spring as a replacement. Lol.
I have a similar one except that the day disk is not changing.
if the date disc is not changing on either normal midnight or quickset then its probably not fitted properly . if its only quickset then the issue will be in the keyless works. something will be out of position.
@@MyRetroWatches Thanks Mike. I got it. Thanks to this video I fixed it just now.. The only thing bothering me now is it has stopped winding. I figured that even if the oscillating weight is rotating smoothly, the 1st reduction wheel also rotates but the pawlers are not grabbing enough the teeth of the 2nd reduction wheel that's why it's not winding. However, if I remove the oscillating weight and manually turn the 1st reduction wheel, the pawlers are grabbing the 2nd reduct wheel's teeth and is therefore winding the barrel.
IMPORTANT!!!!!!
JUST TRY MOVING DATE WITH HOUR. If it doesn't fix the problem than you should see a Watchman
So i recently got a sekio turtle my first automatic ever. And I adjusted the date wheel in the "danger zone" (9pm to 3am) now my date wheel switches days weird and goes into other languages when it rotates. I'm ok with trying to fix it myself but does anyone got a idea about the process to fixing it? Maybe a video showing the process or even a written guide. This is the closest thing I could find and its clearly not the issue with my watch because I did it and its never been opened yet. I have learned a valuable lesson the hard way though. Will forever check my manuals with all automatic watches from now on.
Its a 6309? i have a whole series on that movement showing disassembly and assembly . Look at my 6309 playlist from my channel homepage or better still look at the 5000 sub giveaway playlist as this was the most detailed 6309 video series ive done.
@@MyRetroWatches its the sekio turtle padi srpd21. Also you earned my sub thanks for the reply sir 🙏 👍
the peice of bent wire looks like a bezel retainer
it turns out to from a Vostok movement retainer. No place to be in a Seiko.
That looks like a 7546 behind the dial.
Mike, I'm convinced that it was caused by the date 13.
Smit Machinale haha indeed it must have been.
That semi circular piece of wire is the clock spring of the dive bezel. JANBOY. RN. Rtd.
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I guess mikey, a few dudes have been tampering with the watch, always recipe for trauma!
I gave a citizen divers and the date has stopped changing automatically but it will change manually 🤔
Both controls are done differently. So the quickset is a completely different mechanism to the time change day date. On this watch the plastic parts are what change at 12 . So for your watch for it not to change in normal time operation would suggest there is something our of alignment / broken with that part of the mechanism.
@@MyRetroWatches ok, what would it cost for you to look at it please ?
That's not the correct movement ring for that watch.
PJB Bullock the whole watch is a mosh mash of parts. I think the ring is right for the case. The turtle for example as the same one.
The one in the video it had been installed the wrong way up as far as I can tell.
@@MyRetroWatches I've just checked my 6309 divers parts draw and I was partly right, it's not correct.
Yours is missing a piece.
Thats probably why the extra piece of wire was in.
As you say, a hodgepodge.