Comparison Sharps and Rolling Block
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- Just a short talk about the differences between Rolling block and Sharps Actions. This is filmed on a dedicated range set up, always use correct load data when loading for these antique actions.
Love the rollers as well! Your level of knowledge is amazing. Grab a cup of coffee and let’s go to the shop! Enjoy every episode.
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Just watched this over breakfast and a cup of coffee... what a great way to start the day! 👍
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I really enjoyed this video, actually have seen and have had the opportunity to glance at the 2nd book you have, always found these types of rifles interesting and the people who could do long range shots with the hardware amazing. Really enjoyed your presentation as well, very helpful and much to my surprise held my interest.
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Awesome video Dave and some great info on the rifles.I have a hard time shooting at 25yds.Thanks for the video,Slim.
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I really enjoyed this video! You made it very interesting and educational 👍
Having joined a rifle club (in the UK) I have now had the privilege of shooting a Sharps (with the set trigger) and a Remington Rolling Block.
What a pair of fabulous rifles!
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Very good information Dave, Thanks for the coffee buddy. Tuesday we had 14 inches of snow in 12 hours made very bad conditions to hunt in.
WOW, I don't have any snow and you guys are hogging it up. been a different weather year. Hope it gets better for you, thanks for checking in
The main advantage the Remington Rolling Block Action had over the Sharps, is strength. Though they share similar, yet different actions. Remington's design is inherently stronger, which is why it survived the transition into smokeless propellants.
The modern reproductions, are very well made from what I've seen.
I had the chance to buy a Remington RB in the early 80s and passed on it, because it was in an obscure 6.5 X 53.5 Dutch Chambering. Ammunition was very hard to find and very expensive. It didn't occur to me at the time, that I could have had it rechambered or rebarrelled in an easier to obtain cartridge. I kick myself every time I think about it. There's so few originals still out there that aren't in collections.
Age and infirmity ended my hunting 10 years ago, so you have my sympathy and understanding sir for what you're experiencing. I've been there, and fully understand.
Best wishes and Good Luck with future productions.
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I really enjoyed you teaching us the differences, I remember years ago I talk to someone at Buffalo arms and he said that he use the rolling block for long range shooting
They were some of the most accurate target guns in the 1800s
Nice work, your Gemmer is outstanding!
Short on time this morning Dave, I'll watch the rest of this later. Those are the same books I have. Those two rifles are my most favorites. Both are great rifles and the fact that both were used for hunting buffalo has always appealed to me. I like them both, but I like the Sharps better. I have several rolling blocks though, only one Sharps. Yeah, that set trigger is great for targets, but has cost me critters by going off before I'm ready. I have to concentrate to not set that trigger when I'm hunting!
A lot of the buffalo days were hunted with trap door, muzzleloaders, but the big kill of was rollers and sharps. Calibers is another story. some of the calibers we like now came out late for the hunting buff
I really enjoy the video!! Love the old buffalo guns !! Thanks for the video Dave !!
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Your welcome
There's some interesting information about Nelson Story's 1866 cattle drive to Montana. The records show that his party stopped in Leavenworth Kansas in June of that year and purchased 30 Remington Rolling Block rifles in caliber .56-50 Spencer. It was a good thing they did, because they ended up running into Red Cloud's warriors on the warpath! What's really interesting about this is this occurred one year before the famous "Box Wagon Fight" in Wyoming.
Nice video thanks for the comparison, I just started shooting BPC in a Q d u sharps. I've got a lot to learn. Grease cookies, packing powder, etc. Thanks
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Good morning Dave good to see you I love shooting these rifles I have two Sharps and two Rolling blocks they are great rifles. We used to have a buffalo match at our old gun club actually two gun clubs but they got shut down by the cities.
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Dam for a minute I thought I was watching The Dukes of Hazzard!
Not going to lie I've always wanted a sharps a rolling block and a trapdoor rifle they are so interesting I've shot and owned old muzzleloaders very fun to shoot. this is a very nice collection!
I like the looks of the Gimmer, I can see why it is your favorite.
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I believe the correct name is "GEMMER", not GIMMER OR GUMMER!!! No "gummow" either! Yust havvin' a little fun wit ya!!! The GEMMER had the "Hawken look", that is, the longer double-keyed (or wedge!) forearm & nose cap, & the beaver tail cheek piece. Mr. Thickey likes the Gemmers better, "more sexy"! "Gesundheit"!
Buckskin, wonderful creations you have there...
Thanks, as much fun to make as they are to shoot, Thanks for checking in
Cool video! I have loved the rolling block going back to the 1950's when Dad gave me a toy copy of one, I had that old tin copy for many years till one day I was playing commando with it, I jumped off the roof of the barn with my trusty rifle slung over my back and, well, I was a big kid, and that rifle just could not take the strain. The next toy rifle dad got for me was a bolt action copy that looked like a cross between a British battle rifle and a Springfield. I guess it is no wonder that I did the gun show circuit when I got my FFL many years later. Sadly I never did get my rolling block for real. Perhaps there is still time
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I got the Pedersoli 1874 Down Under 45-70 and just bought a 43 Spanish.
Great video c sharps is back logged about 8 months i ordered one early this year and should have it in about a month or so
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Great video!
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Two thumbs up on the Venturino book. Have been using it for years.
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I am more of a sharps kinda guy, BUT that Hawken style rolling block is a beauty! Did a great job. 👍
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Love ❤️ the Remington I have a 38 rim fire great looking gun, videos are excellent 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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Thanks! Been thinking about a Sharps
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Thank you, awesome video.
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Woow, I really like your Hawken rolling block!!!
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Beautiful Rifles. Love 'em.
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When I initially began collecting and shooting, I was really only interested in "state of the art" military style firearms and se.i auto pistols, then a neighbor introduced me to his Thompson Center contender, which I found interesting because of the options, just recently I discovered an interest 1st in falling in block and now the rolling block actions, simple, rugged yet beautiful rifles, these are now my interest and I feel like I'm moving backwards from most firearms trends, but having fun
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thanks dave really enjoyed this vidio love those rifles sir
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I watched Quigley Down Under too many times. The only Sharps available were several thousand bucks and a 5 year wait. I was able to locate a Remington number 5 with all internals and about a foot of barrel, no stock. Got a 34" Badger octagonal barrel. Had a gunsmith (Fred Miller) put it all together. 45-90. Single set trigger. Front sight is wind age adjustable, spirit level, and inserts. Tang rear sight with elevation adjustable. Its essentially a Creedmore.
Also have a 1 1\2 Rolling Block in 25-21 Stevens. It was sent to Stevens to be rechambered in 25-21. It says so on the barrel.
Nothing wrong with the rollers, sounds like a fun gun. Thanks for stopping by
In this moden world of political correction nice to listen to someone like minded .and the info is greatly appreciated
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I love these old, classic rifles.....and the sort of aficionados who collect them.
I've always been torn between the Rolling Block and the Sharps and also the 1885 High and Low Wall. I had a Remington Rolling Block that was actually a civilian contract in .43 Spanish that had almost no wear inside or out and got it pretty cheap because they're not all that desirable. it shot well but it was a bit heavier than I wanted to hunt with and it was too nice to customize. I picked up a Chiappa Sharps carbine in .50-70 that shoots extremely well with even the military sights out to 125 yards which is farther than most places I'm going to hunt. I've had an Uberti 1885 in .45-70, which was a really nice gun and I have an Uberti Low Wall in .38-40 that's extremely accurate, but the 1885 that really got me started is an original Winchester made in 1889 I picked up in .32-20 that gives me groups of a dime. I have one of the #4 Rolling Blocks in .22 Long Rifle that my son absolutely loves to shoot and have had a couple in .32 Rimfire that when I could get ammo for were great shooters. I would like either another Rolling Block in .38-55 or possibly .32-40 since the big bores really aren't needed here.
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@@BuckskinDave I am, I got that from my grandfather. Back when I first started hunting in 1994 when I was 18, I remember his Winchester 1894 SRC he had in .30-30. I have a photo of him with it with a monster whitetail that he shot, it was dated 1936. He hunted with it until 1993. My cousin has it but I've never been a fan of newer guns. I've never killed a deer with a gun that's younger than I am. This year I got a whitetail buck with a Winchester 1894 in .32-40. I never really cared for newer guns, I know some are excellent, but the older stuff has always appealed to me.
I bet a start-up ammo company could make money reproducing some of those old hard to find rounds including the 32 rimfires I see some that make the old swiss army rounds alot of the chamberings for the savage 99s seem hard to find too
I love rolling blocks, I have a Quigley match heavy barrel one built on a Swedish 1870 action in 40-65. Fun fun rifles.
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Cool stuff.
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Great video first time I've seen both actions together on TH-cam beautiful rifle's any plans for future videos talking more about the chambering's also wondering if anyone makes time appropriate fixed power reproduction scoops like the one the mexican sharpshooter uses on what I think was a Remington rolling Block in 3:10 to Yuma?
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Roller is nice, but i really love the sharps it's elegant.
I like that Gemmert look on the Rolling Block.
I too like your gimmer . I need a ramrod for muzzleloader. If fellow is going make one what is best to get materials or buy a wooden one ? And is regular dowel strong enough ?
The muzzleloader ones are made from Hickory. Muzzleloader Builders Supply sells them with the brass or iron tips already on and they are 4 foot long so you can cut them to the length you want and finish coat it. Make sure you get the diameter that will fit your gun and you can sand it to fit. If it is going under the barrel the wood is lighter. they also make a plastic one that is almost impossible to break in different sizes to fit on the gun. if it is going to be a range rod I have a plastic one and a metal one. I use the plastic one as a range rod but one day I might put one on my hunting rifle. Thanks for dropping in.
I'm a Sharps guy but I definitely appreciate the rolling block. Both are cool rifles.
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I have one of the Chiappa Sharps, and while not the fanciest thing, I enjoy it. I don't think you can go wrong with either. It's like the old Remington vs Mossberg arguments
Original actions are getting hard to find for RB, the Chiappa Sharps actions are really good for the difference in money and you can build off of a new action. Thanks for your comment
Absolutely beautiful rifle's I'd be happy to own either, really like the rolling blocks. I know these aren't cheap, but what are some prices? (Round about?) Stay safe and God bless 🇺🇸☠️🇺🇸!!!
The build would be hard to guess because I make em from antique actions and availability is getting less. Factory, Italian models are 2000 to 3000 depending on models. Thanks for checking in
You mentioned that you built yyour 45-90 out of the danish rolling block. I have a swiss rolling block id like to make a 45-90 . What barrel did 6
I built one years ago out of a Danish action. The barrel I used on it was a green mountain. Thanks for stopping by
Have you done any experimenting with accuracy shooting 45-70s in your guns?
I don't shoot 45-70 in these guns. If you mean do I shoot them on paper, yes I do. Thanks for checking in
I have a roller in 40-65 I like it.
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Thank you care dog and for everyting 🐕🌷🌵🤠👍
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I have a rolling block, the receiver is engraved and case hardened. It has a round barrel in 38-55. I would like to change it to a 38-55 octagon barrel. 3/8 dovetail on the front of the rifle and no dovetail on the rear. Because I use a peep sight. Also would like new wood for it. Would U be interested in building this for Me or know of any one that would?
IS it an original action or one of the Italian replicas would be my first question. Either way I don't know when I could get to it. One of the custom builders could do it. C. Sharps comes to mind they specialize in rollers
Only problem I have when I watch your videos is that I see a new toy that I want
The front sight on the Sharps appear to be turned around. Is there some advantage to that?
Naw, just never turned it around, but it shoots the same for me either way. Thanks for checking in
@@BuckskinDave Miss seeing ya and shooting with you, Pard.
@@TheAdventureCowboy Same here pard
We can fix that maybe someday
very interesting, I am a big fan of these kinds of rifles, but unfortunately I do not own one yet for one reason: In Europe in some areas (so where I live) we have the law to not use a projectile with less than 2.000 Joule energy on 100 meters on game, which is bigger than a roe deer. I could not find any sufficient answer or test jet, if this would be possible with a black powder rifle (no matter if cartridge or muzzle loader). Maybe you as an expert could tell me something about this.
I don't know what the conversion to foot pounds would be but I would think the bigger ones easily do 1000 ft/pds at 100 yards thanks for checking in
how do i get ahold of this gentlemen
I would love to make one but I wouldn't know where to start.
Finding an action is the first step, sometimes a good deal can b had on gunbroker
Remington sold thousands of the RBs overseas, Latin American, Europe and most notably to the Egyptian Army in the 1870s. Interestingly in the histories of the time, they were always referred to as ‘Remingtons’, especially in the Mideast. The Egyptians lost thousands of them to the mahdist insurgents in various military defeats in the Sudan in the 1880s. Read about this in Winston Churchill’s great history, ‘The River War’.
About 40 years ago I owned what was called a New York State Rolling Bock that went to half cock after loading, don't remember too much about it except in was in .50-70 cal. with three groove riffling. I also owned an Original Remington Rolling Block Creed Moor Rifle in .44-90, Used the .44-77 case but the Paper Patched bullet was seated way out. 34" half round barrel with very shallow rifling,very high comb with fancy wood. Used 82 FFG and 520 gr. paper patched bullet. If you wiped the bore after each shot it would shoot into 2" or less at 200 yds. I've seen reproductions but they are never quite the same.
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Beautyfull rifles you got these 2 roling and faling blocks they are in the most beautifull slim smoth shape, but i not liked the roling block stock
What’s your cowboy alias ?
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Without buying an older military rifle to use as a base does anybody make a good quality new rolling block action?
I haven't seen any, c sharps has sharps action but they are really proud of them. I'd like to get my hands on a pedersoli but they dont sell the actions. Thanks for dropping in
Yes, Tippmann Armory.
i notice that you do not drop your cartridges after being fired into a gallon milk jug filled with soapy water. Why?
I do clean them that way sometimes but a lot of the time I dry clean them. look back in my archives there is a vid on it
please sir ! I would like to build a spencer 1871 for me ! Can you help me ? I have no drawings, schematichs, diagrams
I would like to my spencer be 454 or 500 magunum caliber
I have not done anything with Spencer. You will need to find an action and barrel. Search the internet for parts or partial rifle to go off of
@@BuckskinDave there'is no way i can find the parts pictures showing all sides ? What i see are just some parts in some positions that are also not straight lile shaped drawings, about rhe frame also, alot dificult almost impossible, also the enternet are not showing to much decent results, about what i searched
@@BuckskinDave i even canot get the info about how much parts spencer have, no exploted view, i not find,
And i want modify the spencer, i WANT make the barrel thicker because the rifle has really thin barreel in comparation to the back side, i make a sperimental drawing for this and show to you, i hope alot you see And help me in general !
@@Vo_d_kontra_o_norMAL green river barrel company is one place for barrel, they have web site. You will most likely have to have Manson machining make a reamer for the caliber you want.
It will b a complex project, I have done rifles from picture but like u said it is all experimental and full of failure and disappointment. I'll see if I can find u some info
It would be a good idea for a machinist company to copy the basic action for rolling block and put on the market at a reasonable rate . Maybe a finished product and a do it yourself for us average guys
There was a guy that did that in Texas but I think he was killed accidentally. I don't have the machinery to do that, and probably not the skill either. C Sharps offers the sharps action but it is expensive and it is not a roller. I would like to find a company that offers a roller action. I like the idea of building a gun from a 100 year old action but building one with a new action would be cool too. Also the parts supply for the old guns is running lower every year.
There is one: Tippmann Armory who makes new ones in 357, 44 magnum, and 45/70. I have the 44 that i shoot 44 special to reduce the blast and recoil. It is a great handling and accurate rifle; it just comes up naturally. I’m a lefty but can manage the block and hammer fine even with a Vortex Crossfire 3-9x40 I have mounted; Tippmann includes the scope blocks. I’m trying to persuade Tippmann to make a 22lr version.
Have a pedersoli special long range in 4570 want it throated to 4590 . I have an 1886 winchester in 4590
I cu t a 1886 45-70 chamber out to 45-90. The 45-90 chamber is just a bit longer so a 45-90 reamer would do the job. thanks for stopping by, good to hear from you
I would like it done by some one who has done it befor its a 2000 dollar gun
I think the record is clear. Remington made 100s of times more rifles than Sharps. The Sharps got more ink as they were carried by the prominent hunters. But Remington was making Rifles years before the Sharps arrived.
I have an original 1869 New York contract, originally in 50 Govt. I want to replicate Custer's 50 Govt.
The Remingtons prob shot Thierry share of Buffalo
Work does get in the way of hunting, doesn't it?
Every time.
Pretty sure many more Rolling Blocks were manufactured than Sharps.
I don't think the Sharps went worldwide like the roller either. Thanks for watching