I have a Catalina sailboat with a swing keel. I love it, the time I accidentally ran up on a shoal, I winched the keel up, floated off and winched the keel back down. Wing keels are more stable, but a bear when grounded.
That was epic Ken, well done mate and having the Boss with u too. I just want to thank him for giving u a job and getting u out of that other situation. So thanks for that, we know Kens much happier 👍🤪🇦🇺
Thanks Sea Wench! Mike didn't actually hire me. He bought the business about a month after I started. I knew the previous owner was looking to sell the business before I joined, and when I was hired she said that the guy buying the business (Mike) was a good guy and I'd probably get along great with him!
I once heard a line that seems appropriate for this “captain”…If the draft of your vessel exceeds the depth of the water then you are most assuredly aground.
Good quote, but I had a job a few weeks ago that would've been an even better fit. Guy ran aground heading out a pass at night in a 36ft searay. Got him free and left him where the channel split N/S. He was heading north I was heading south. 4min later he calls me that his engines have some bad vibrations so can I come tow him back to dock. Sure. No problem. Send me the coordinates. He does and I see he's in a really shallow area. I get on scene and hit bottom before I can get to him. I say "you know you're aground right?" he responds he can't be he's only a bit outside the channel. My dude is 50 yards outside the channel in 1.5ft of water in a boat that probably draws 2.5ft+ No wonder he had vibrations in his props 🤦♂️🤣
He could have hanked up his jib and sheeted both the jib and main tight with the main traveler to the port side and got a good 30 to 40 degree heel making it a lot easier to pull that fin keel out. His main was loose with the traveler starboard. The only problem is when you turn him, he would need to get on that sail trim fast and he doesn't look fast. Leaving them there at low tide would frankly be a perfect time for the cap to do some bottom cathartic cleaning. That is a condo sized boat. They will be just fine! Haha.
A question for the sailboat gorundings Captain... ever use another boat tied to the halyard from the msthead? I seem to recall this was a common practice when I was a young guy. Love watching your work. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks mate! Glad you're enjoying my content. I have not and never will pull from a halyard. The risk of damage is not worth it. Yes, on some sailboats it's a viable option (not this one though since it had a wing keel), but I'll never do it
I had a friend like that. He had a boat and kept grounding it. He said there is water there i should be able to go there. He parked it at a dock. A hurricane filled it up, it sank and he told some people if they could float it they could have it.
Ya me gustaria que si tuviera un apuro me ayudara esta persona.Es.cuidadoso.sabe lo que hace y lo que mas me.gusta es el.tacto que tiene y como maniobra.Solo un defecto los nudos deben ser faciles de hacer y quitar le.da muchas vueltas al.cabo
As soon as someone uses the term “blow boaters”, it’s a tip that they are probably not seasoned boaters. Anyone that has done any amount of cruising will tell you, if you haven’t run aground, you aren’t doing much cruising. The problem with this boat, I could tell right away that it was a “wing keel”. As it was upright and still badly stuck. Capt Ken had them take down there main sail because it was causing the boat to heel some. That just digs the wing in deeper. I don’t like this design for this reason. There are better shoal draft options. I got my grounded 46 ft sailboat off several times by simply taking the halyard tail, extending it, and tying it to a towing bridle on my dingy. It takes just a few hp to heel, (lean) the boat over, lifting the keel off the bottom. The mate puts her in gear and off you go! Without a dingy you can tie weight on the boom end and let it outboard as far as you can. This my get you off too. With a wing keel, it just makes it worse. Capt Fred.
Another great job by Capt. Ken! 👍 Think it's time for those two BLOW BOATERS to find another hobby. Model Rail Roading or model RC boating are good hobbies for them to get involved with! Both can be as expensive as owning a boat but just as relaxing. 😉
As soon as someone uses the term “blow boaters”, it’s a tip that they are probably not seasoned boaters. Anyone that has done any amount of cruising will tell you, if you haven’t run aground, you aren’t doing much cruising. The problem with this boat, I could tell right away that it was a “wing keel”. As it was upright and still badly stuck. Capt Ken had them take down there main sail because it was causing the boat to heel some. That just digs the wing in deeper. I don’t like this design for this reason. There are better shoal draft options. I got my grounded 46 ft sailboat off several times by simply taking the halyard tail, extending it, and tying it to a towing bridle on my dingy. It takes just a few hp to heel, (lean) the boat over, lifting the keel off the bottom. The mate puts her in gear and off you go! Without a dingy you can tie weight on the boom end and let it outboard as far as you can. This my get you off too. With a wing keel, it just makes it worse. Capt Fred.
I disagree with your first sentence as I know plenty of seasoned boaters and even some sailers who refer to them as blowboats. I hate dealing with wing keels with a passion because it seriously limits what we can do to get them free without undo risk
Love the vids! Two questions, do the sandbars shift down there, should that "Captain" have navigated the charts better to avoid the sandbars? Also being that you spend so much time on the water, what color lenses do you recommend for boating?
Thanks pvp64! I count 3 questions 😜 I can't say I have a preference for lens color...blue is just what I have because I like the look better 🤷 The sandbars around here don't change a whole lot except for the passes, but even there they don't change that drastically unless we get a major hurricane. Both of these sandbars were well charted and easily visible from the boat, so really no excuse.
1st comment... I think you should have worked with the mainsail and pulled from the lee side. The sail is already tipping the boat in a direction where the keel has a better chance to come loose.
That could be an option if they didn't have a wing keel. If you heel over a boat with a wing keel you have a high potential to snap off the wings, hence why I didn't do that
I knew from pulling them off a few days before this situation 😂 Surprisingly, most of the sailors know the type of keel they have...more than who know exactly what their draft is.
The H is a lovely thing but the diameter of the tube will only lock a figure of eight in far larger rope - it's all too smooth for a thinner line and is acing like a set of pulleys. I'd stick with the thinner line though, but put an appropriate bar cleat on the underside of the cross bar. Something the size of your mooring cleats would be perfect. (Underside so it doesn't get in the way). You 'could' just do the figure eights you were doing, and then add a couple of slipped half hitches around just one sticking out end of the tubes - but it's quite likely to get jammed regardless of the slips.
Your first attempt should have been to pull with the angle of the grounding . You chose the wrong angle, dude ! Also, you didn't use the power of the props being so far from the sailboat ???
Why would I pull them straight ahead into shallower water? As for why I was so far away? Because I don't want to bury my props and engines in the bottom. I'm not the one paying for it, but I can guarantee my boss wouldn't be happy having to replace props constantly or have the engines sucking up a bunch of sand into the heads.
Because depending on the tide/wave action, they could be pushed further on to the sandbar. Also, some were anchored first and then the tide went out from under them
I have a Catalina sailboat with a swing keel. I love it, the time I accidentally ran up on a shoal, I winched the keel up, floated off and winched the keel back down. Wing keels are more stable, but a bear when grounded.
The words. Disappear before we finish reading. Love the videos
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That was epic Ken, well done mate and having the Boss with u too. I just want to thank him for giving u a job and getting u out of that other situation. So thanks for that, we know Kens much happier 👍🤪🇦🇺
Thanks Sea Wench! Mike didn't actually hire me. He bought the business about a month after I started. I knew the previous owner was looking to sell the business before I joined, and when I was hired she said that the guy buying the business (Mike) was a good guy and I'd probably get along great with him!
Great job Capt. Great having your boss there
Thanks Vancity!
I once heard a line that seems appropriate for this “captain”…If the draft of your vessel exceeds the depth of the water then you are most assuredly aground.
Good quote, but I had a job a few weeks ago that would've been an even better fit. Guy ran aground heading out a pass at night in a 36ft searay. Got him free and left him where the channel split N/S. He was heading north I was heading south. 4min later he calls me that his engines have some bad vibrations so can I come tow him back to dock. Sure. No problem. Send me the coordinates. He does and I see he's in a really shallow area. I get on scene and hit bottom before I can get to him. I say "you know you're aground right?" he responds he can't be he's only a bit outside the channel. My dude is 50 yards outside the channel in 1.5ft of water in a boat that probably draws 2.5ft+ No wonder he had vibrations in his props 🤦♂️🤣
@@CaptKenO😂 😂😂😂😂
At 2:05, I do that all the time!! Haha. Especially in that mildly rough shallow sea state.
Hahaha. Yep. I'm usually pretty good on my feet...but occasionally I look drunk 🤦
looks to me that they would be better off with a motor home
Maybe... 🤔
Love your videos, keep them coming please . U know your stuff
Thanks Matthew!
He could have hanked up his jib and sheeted both the jib and main tight with the main traveler to the port side and got a good 30 to 40 degree heel making it a lot easier to pull that fin keel out. His main was loose with the traveler starboard. The only problem is when you turn him, he would need to get on that sail trim fast and he doesn't look fast. Leaving them there at low tide would frankly be a perfect time for the cap to do some bottom cathartic cleaning. That is a condo sized boat. They will be just fine! Haha.
He's got a wing keel, so you really don't want to heel it over when it's aground or you risk snapping the wings off
A question for the sailboat gorundings Captain... ever use another boat tied to the halyard from the msthead? I seem to recall this was a common practice when I was a young guy. Love watching your work. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks mate! Glad you're enjoying my content. I have not and never will pull from a halyard. The risk of damage is not worth it. Yes, on some sailboats it's a viable option (not this one though since it had a wing keel), but I'll never do it
It always bothered me that some folks dont know what keel their boat has! Fair winds...@@CaptKenO
Forget type of keel. A lot have no idea what they draw
you speak the truth!@@CaptKenO
How about it’s a carbon fiber mast and if you twist it it could break plus most likely it’s a wing keel she needs 5ft water
I had a friend like that. He had a boat and kept grounding it. He said there is water there i should be able to go there. He parked it at a dock. A hurricane filled it up, it sank and he told some people if they could float it they could have it.
Lmao 🤣
People like him are the ones that keep me busy! I love that philosophy!
Ya me gustaria que si tuviera un apuro me ayudara esta persona.Es.cuidadoso.sabe lo que hace y lo que mas me.gusta es el.tacto que tiene y como maniobra.Solo un defecto los nudos deben ser faciles de hacer y quitar le.da muchas vueltas al.cabo
As soon as someone uses the term “blow boaters”, it’s a tip that they are probably not seasoned boaters. Anyone that has done any amount of cruising will tell you, if you haven’t run aground, you aren’t doing much cruising. The problem with this boat, I could tell right away that it was a “wing keel”. As it was upright and still badly stuck. Capt Ken had them take down there main sail because it was causing the boat to heel some. That just digs the wing in deeper.
I don’t like this design for this reason. There are better shoal draft options. I got my grounded 46 ft sailboat off several times by simply taking the halyard tail, extending it, and tying it to a towing bridle on my dingy. It takes just a few hp to heel, (lean) the boat over, lifting the keel off the bottom. The mate puts her in gear and off you go! Without a dingy you can tie weight on the boom end and let it outboard as far as you can. This my get you off too. With a wing keel, it just makes it worse. Capt Fred.
Another great job by Capt. Ken! 👍 Think it's time for those two BLOW BOATERS to find another hobby. Model Rail Roading or model RC boating are good hobbies for them to get involved with! Both can be as expensive as owning a boat but just as relaxing. 😉
Haha! Thanks Mikey! 😂
I'm perfectly happy with getting paid to save them though...so as long as no one gets hurt, they can keep boating!
As soon as someone uses the term “blow boaters”, it’s a tip that they are probably not seasoned boaters. Anyone that has done any amount of cruising will tell you, if you haven’t run aground, you aren’t doing much cruising. The problem with this boat, I could tell right away that it was a “wing keel”. As it was upright and still badly stuck. Capt Ken had them take down there main sail because it was causing the boat to heel some. That just digs the wing in deeper.
I don’t like this design for this reason. There are better shoal draft options. I got my grounded 46 ft sailboat off several times by simply taking the halyard tail, extending it, and tying it to a towing bridle on my dingy. It takes just a few hp to heel, (lean) the boat over, lifting the keel off the bottom. The mate puts her in gear and off you go! Without a dingy you can tie weight on the boom end and let it outboard as far as you can. This my get you off too. With a wing keel, it just makes it worse. Capt Fred.
I disagree with your first sentence as I know plenty of seasoned boaters and even some sailers who refer to them as blowboats. I hate dealing with wing keels with a passion because it seriously limits what we can do to get them free without undo risk
To be fair and balanced power boaters are referred to as STINKPOTTERS in certain circles. @@CaptKenO
@@MikeyDee25 haha. Never heard that one before 😂
Love the vids! Two questions, do the sandbars shift down there, should that "Captain" have navigated the charts better to avoid the sandbars? Also being that you spend so much time on the water, what color lenses do you recommend for boating?
Thanks pvp64! I count 3 questions 😜
I can't say I have a preference for lens color...blue is just what I have because I like the look better 🤷
The sandbars around here don't change a whole lot except for the passes, but even there they don't change that drastically unless we get a major hurricane. Both of these sandbars were well charted and easily visible from the boat, so really no excuse.
@@CaptKenO Thanks, but I only used two question marks.😁
Lol 😂
I'll have to remember that excuse for the future!
High tide and mast tilt the keel wouldnt work?
We went back at high tide the 2nd day. This boat had a wing keel, so we couldn't heel it over because that could cause the wings to break off
@@CaptKenO be nice if they had floats to pull down around the hull that could be inflated for a little lift.
@lifeinpalawan nah. If they had that they wouldn't need me 🤣
@@lifeinpalawan Thanks for that question was going to ask it , Michigan area don`t have tides or anything like the oceans
1st comment... I think you should have worked with the mainsail and pulled from the lee side. The sail is already tipping the boat in a direction where the keel has a better chance to come loose.
Can't do that with a wing keel. You run the chance of breaking the wings off
Ahh...wasn't aware of the wing
If it’s green your clean, if it’s white you might, if it’s brown your aground.
If you're referring to the water color that is incorrect. Around here, it depends on how clear the water is and the bottom composition
next time put a stern line on the mast. sailboats have to be towed at an angle so the keel isnt digging in.
That could be an option if they didn't have a wing keel. If you heel over a boat with a wing keel you have a high potential to snap off the wings, hence why I didn't do that
@@CaptKenO ah that makes sense -- at least they knew they had one.
I knew from pulling them off a few days before this situation 😂
Surprisingly, most of the sailors know the type of keel they have...more than who know exactly what their draft is.
the famous double ended line trick
I don't know what you're referring to...
Good Costumers 😂
That's my attitude! As long as no one gets hurt from their incompetence, I'm perfectly happy getting paid to save their asses 😂
Repeat customers!
The best kind 🤣
An inch is as good as mile in a grounding situation.
Depends on how far they need to move...a mile might be more appropriate 🤔😂
The name of that sailboat…😂😂😂😂, you must have thought the same thing twice…
lol 😂
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that roap would not slip if you put a half hitch on it
Also might be impossible to unti and definitely harder to untie in a hurry
@@CaptKenO lol... I got your drift on that one.
Whatever delusional fabricator designed that H-bitt needs to find a new line of work.
Hahaha. No kidding! It's built well, just not functional, and takes up way more room than necessary
The H is a lovely thing but the diameter of the tube will only lock a figure of eight in far larger rope - it's all too smooth for a thinner line and is acing like a set of pulleys. I'd stick with the thinner line though, but put an appropriate bar cleat on the underside of the cross bar. Something the size of your mooring cleats would be perfect. (Underside so it doesn't get in the way).
You 'could' just do the figure eights you were doing, and then add a couple of slipped half hitches around just one sticking out end of the tubes - but it's quite likely to get jammed regardless of the slips.
Thanks for the input boguing!
It's definitely too slippery for the size line we're using. I'll talk to my boss about this and see what he thinks of it
Don't get any body parts between these two biats... It looks like it's just looking to break a few bones. Lol
Most definitely! That's what fenders are for. I hate seeing people put any part of their body between boats or a boat and a dock
Your first attempt should have been to pull with the angle of the grounding . You chose the wrong angle, dude ! Also, you didn't use the power of the props being so far from the sailboat ???
Why would I pull them straight ahead into shallower water? As for why I was so far away? Because I don't want to bury my props and engines in the bottom. I'm not the one paying for it, but I can guarantee my boss wouldn't be happy having to replace props constantly or have the engines sucking up a bunch of sand into the heads.
@@CaptKenO 10 -4
What is this power of the props too far from the yacht?
I think he meant using the props to wash out the sand from under the boat
Why is it that peoplw stuck on the bottom put out their anker? They aren't going anywhere....
Because depending on the tide/wave action, they could be pushed further on to the sandbar. Also, some were anchored first and then the tide went out from under them
Never knew this was a thing. Now that I do... I know there is no shortage of business in FL.
Lol 😂 You've got that right!
Love the user name by the way!