One pastor told me one time, he can prove that even apostles were Baptists. I don’t understand what makes people to be so committed to their denomination. Why not be just a believer? Christian? Disciple of Christ ? After all, Jesus didn’t say: Go into all the world and make denominations
@@honest7535 attend to A CONGREGATION where biblical teachings are taught. As to church to choose to do not worry if you are truly a believer if you are truly a child if God if the HOLY SPIRIT is in you you are in the body of Christ, the true church of God. It was God Himself who ADDED you to the true church of God. Being in the body of Christ it is solely the work of God. Only the saved ones were ADDED to the church, and only God knows every hearts of man, that is why only God can FIT all believers to the body of Christ. The spiritual body of Christ.
That's true that's why there's thousands of different denominations and teachings not following 2nd Timothy 2:15 Mass confusion. For four decades as a fundamentalist Baptist I had no idea Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles the church the body of Christ. Romans 11 chapter verse 13.
@Honest Calvary Chapel churches teach verse by verse through the Bible, and there will always be a teacher or more to choose from as they are across the country and on the web. If someone is a believer, they should be studying the Bible so that they can compare what they are hearing in the pulpit to Scripture. I was an Episcopalian and when they changed their views on gay marriage, I had to leave because that view doesn’t jibe with what I read in the Bible. I want to stay on the narrow path, and would rather hear truth than be deceived. God loves everyone, and only He will judge us, so that’s up to Him who He allows in. If a church said that lying, gossiping, stealing, pride, prejudice,or any other sin was now ok, I wouldn’t attend because that’s not what I read. This is what God says to anyone reading this! Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. 12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. 13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
When I say I'm nondenominational, I'm saying I believe in the whole Bible and what it says, I dont just pick and choose on what top believe in, Just like the Baptist, Southern Baptist, Church of Christ, Methodist, Presbyterian, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses. I strongly believe every word. I will never say that this is right, this is passed away, this wasn't meant for us only for the disciples and only the disciples could do that, and so much more. So there are 3 different kinds of nondenominational churches.
Exactly right! I think what Spencer was saying here though was how many churches call themselves non-denominational to attract lukewarm believers to a feel-good, sugar coated preaching church. However, I attend a church that calls themselves non-denominational, and their theology explains pretty much what you're saying; that they don't necessarily have exact views as certain denominations, they just preach the bible for what it is and it's not sugar coated whatsoever. I've attended this church for 2 years and I haven't heard anything falsely preached, feel-good or them making it sound like life motivation/health and wealth similar to what Joel Osteen and Steven Furtick preach, my church says that sinners will go to hell unless they don't have faith in Jesus and repent of their sins, end of story.
@@ad_wang Yes I know he was a Jew, Jesus also said not to change they word or even taking words out of it, he wants us to read it in context. What you and the one who made this video is putting judgement on every other denomination, so before you pass judgement you better look inside yourself. Tell me one thing one thing that I wrote that is supposed to be blasphemy
@@ad_wang I really dont care about those churches. Thier Theology is wrong on so many levels about the nondenominational churches, they are DIY in the body of Christ, They stick to watch the bible says and don't take the bible out of context unlike these another churches,
I've been to many denominations of Christianity, and the funny thing is, as I read the Bible I was led by the Spirit outside any denominations. These denominations has been formed by the doctrines of men and that is the key difference between the pure Word of God and denominations. He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mark 7:6-7 KJV
Amen I agree all are wrong for one false doctrine or another. I see your using a KJV,do you believe it's the only pure words of God we can get our hands on. All modern versions are trash
I can see your using KJV. Only perfect word of God,it's so funny it's like you said you pick up that bible and it disproves every denomination by showing all there lies.on the other hand you pick up the modern versions and if it agrees with each denomination because they are wicked and changed there garbage new modern versions.then when you try to tell people that are using these modern versions they come up with the stupidest excuses to try to defend.... I'll show where there an IV or RSVP or even New King James version changes gods doctrines over and over with verse after verse it's really sad. Howcould you trust these modern versions which change every 4 or 5 years since the 1600 while the KJV has never changed not once. So there is no choice KJV only
@Donnie Jacks joke if want to. When you stand before Godall your excuses will not work because you know the truth deep down in your heart... See the thing about us KJV onlyis we could die for our beliefs because we know they never changed we know what they rest on is truth. all modern versions come from the alexandrian text who is anybody who has studied the facts know that the alexandrian texts are trash and contradict themselves consistently which means they are works of Satan. my question for you is would you die for your satanic modern versions and your beliefs.I'm sure you couldn't,you can find any of these modern version scholars like James White, i would ask them the same question and they would answer no. They would not die for their beliefs because they really do not believe in God because all their materials contradict because they trust the alexandrian text over the textus receptus...
When I left the Catholic church, I found that no denomination could satisfy what I was looking for... A direct connection to Jesus, that is why I am a Christian of no particular denomination, I visit most churches to be in communion with my brothers & sisters... I have my Lord, my bible, my truth in the Living Word & my peace.
I am non-denominational. I don't belong to any denomination. I belong to Christ. Every denomination has some level of truth in their theology, but no denomination has got their entire theology correct according to the word of God. If you adhere to any denomination you also adhere to the errors of that denomination. 1 kor 1:10-13
My church calls itself non-denominational but they are pretty loud and proud of their “conservative leaning” Baptist roots. Maybe they should call themselves independent instead?
No LOL because the point is that they're willing to worship with people who disagree with them. Unless your churches in the habit of kicking people out, they are not denominational.
Titus 1:4, "To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour." The Body of Christ is of the common faith. We need no labels.
@@russellestes2962 I have a suspicion that the word christian is not approved for the early believers or early DISCIPLES. My basis is that after the name Christian came out the writers of the books of the bible did not use this word in calling themselves. Only three times the word was used in the bible. So for me let them call me Christian but for me if you ask me my answer is I am a DISCIPLE of Jesus.
I completely agree. I could be wrong in this, but when I think of denominations, I always remember Paul calling out people for saying “I am of Paul, I am of Cephas” and he asks them “is Christ divided?” .. or later on in Corinthians Paul says envying, *divisions* , and strife are carnal
@@reubenjoseph6907 I like how you put that. I will never tell anyone Im not something for I am to other people whatever people see me as in their own eyes. However, if I'm asked, I will say Im a follower or rather a chaser of Christ Consiousness. Because isnt that what we strive to be? In the same state of consiousness that Jesus embodied? People need their labels to feel like they fit in. Jesus went against all labels and did the exact opposite. He had no desire to "fit in" but rather he had a desire to do what was right.
No. Because not all churches are the same. Not all churches believe the same. That is the whole point of what he is saying. Many may share similarities, but hold to different doctrines. Charismatic churches have a very different theology than independent Baptists. Presbyterians hold different beliefs than SBC. If there are differences in the theology, then they are not the same. Put them each against the Bible, and what it says about the Bride of Christ and you will find the truth.
@@infinitx1330 what did @The Hulk say? I keep seeing that comments are deleted all over TH-cam. It seems they are going wild censoring Christian's and conservatives right now. Can you still see the Hulks comment and I'm just not seeing it or was it actually deleted?
@@infinitx1330 me too brother me too! We will have one soon I think. And once there's more options Twitter, Facebook, TH-cam, and Google will have to get their act together just to compete with the new up and comers. Isn't parler back up and running again too?
GOD"NEVER" MEANT HIS CHURCH TO BE SRPARATED INTO ANY TYPE OF DENOMINATIONS.BAPTIST,LUTHERAN,EPISCOPAL ETC,ETC!.So I don't think that makes you right either!
A lot of things happen in this wicked world that align more with the devils will than God's will. He allows free will and choice. There is a false branch of Christianity, it is deception
When a person approaches me and tells me there non denominational I tell them that the use of the word non denominational has now become a denomination usually their Pentecostal part of that bent
What denomination was Jesus and the original 12 He hand picked to start His Church? I don’t see anywhere in my NKJV Bible that mentions denominations. Denominations are man made my friends. I do not follow any man, I am not a Wesleyan, Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, or Calvinist. I am a Jesusist because I follow and am a disciple of Jesus, no one else ...period. Oops, I guess I just made a new denomination, lol!!!
Denomination and non denomination aren’t even scripture. That’s all man’s doing. Jesus said, on this rock, I’ll build My church. It’s His church. Not His denomination or non denomination.
I think in many cases this is a matter of semantics. I also think it's unfair to say straight across the board, "they're lying." If they are using "non-denominational" to truly deceive or hide their real connections with church hierarchies, then one could say they are lying. My personal understanding has always been that most of these "non-denominational" churches just want to offer a place of worship to those who don't necessarily consider themselves of a particular strain, or don't WANT to be connected to one of these strains. I can go with the category of "independent," but if I was going to look for a place to worship the Lord with other Believers, I would look for a place where they call themselves "non-denominational" before I would ever go for Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc. In any case, all of that is nonsense. You won't find in the Scriptures these different "sects" anyway - even the Apostle Paul considered himself part of "The Way." If we want to start parsing the issue, then anyone or any church that calls themselves Baptist, or Methodist, etc., is not scriptural, to call a spade a spade. I agree with Rob1026 : "The Body of Christ is of the common faith. We need no labels." And of course, we are speaking of the TRUE Body of Christ. I prefer places of worship that do not have labels.
It is not nonsense at all if you actually listened to what this man said. Most "non denominational" Churches are ion fact, adapted from a Denomination. Learn to listen: there are a host of 'non denominational' Churches that are really patterned after a denomination, and answer to a remote Hierarchy. Then, there are Independent Churches who are not beholden to a Hierarchy in the next city or half a continent away...
There are heretical sects in scripture. In Revelation Jesus specifically condemns the Nicolations by name. I would also argue the churches Paul condemns contain many of seeds of the denominations we have today.
I see what your saying. Non denominational typically are independent so weird they would assume they answer to another hierarchy other than themselves. Now, to go and call independent or non denominational people heretics is a bit far to go and say. I agree with what your saying. Some would prefer a non denominational and by saying non denominational is not saying they don't believe in anything from the holy bible. I think this speaker guy should actually meet and actually hear out those who have roots in a denomination and then now call themselves non denominational. Not all the time it is strictly just Baptist. It is a combination and that does not make them heretics.
I attended a 'non-denominational' Church and it was obvious that they were basically Pentecostal. They were convinced that once Baptized people should start speaking in tongues immediately, if not shortly thereafter.
2019 years and waiting. But if he does like you say. He might be a little busy dealing with church fraud, profiteering under his name, child molesters in the church and as well as racism under his name. Sounds like the church doesn’t fearJesus too much
I wish more people understood what you're saying here... Thanks for pointing this out in a video. The rage against all institution, tradition, and organization is an overcorrection of the reformation, and is also very arrogant and simple minded.
Since you know something that the Bible didn’t tell you, and you’re so wise in your own understanding, let me ask you this. What denomination was/is Jesus?
Co-sign Brother Spencer. Thank you for the video about Billie Eilish. My daughter is listening to that nonsense on the radio. Time to put the hammer down on that. Being a Christian parent, man.. It's like playing wack-a-mole with the world. But, like St. Peter said, the lion is on the prowl looking for his next victim. Gotta keep watch, my man.
So are you saying non-denominational is just another division? I believe in Christ Jesus and I don't believe Christ meant for there to be divisions. I went to a non-denominational when I started going back to church after 20 years of being astray and I found out they are Baptist so I felt misled. I just Thank God my faith is strong enough in Christ that I didn't go astray. I kept praising the Lord and I visit different churches now.
@@spencersmith312 - But ... which church is the Lord's Church? All I know to do, is to be generous. When you give to the needy, you give to the Lord 🙏🏽
I belong to an independent fundamental Bible believing Baptist Church for four decades they believe in tithing they Twist from foods to money, if your a Christian they will tell you that if you don't tithe God will put a curse on you ,if you tithe God will bless you? Much as I hate to say it say it they Dont 2nd Timothy 2:15 the word of God at least in the Baptist Fellowship I've been in.
Pastors Charles Lawson is an independent Baptist Pastor, They actually kicked him out of their independent convention because he wouldn’t go along with their 501(c)(3) rules and regulations. God bless you brother
Our church in southwest Texas is a non denominational church, but only because there's a Baptist church across from us a couple blocks down that isn't biblical. Considering it's a very small town and we do consider ourselves as Baptists, it was all our church leaders could do without legal implications. We do preach straight from the Word of God as we all should, keep each other accountable and spread thee Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ when the opportunity arises. Us as a church aren't using because of marketing reasons or trying to be deceptive, but rather just how the layout of our town is.
The Word of God is the final authority. I was raised Catholic and I now see that there are many things in the Catholic faith that are erroneous and man made. I suggest you research and seek the truth. There are many sources to read. One of them is the following link.www.wholesomewords.org/etexts/reynolds/rctruth.html
The followers of Jesus were called Christians. Denominations were created by people who could not agree with the beliefs of the denomination of the church where they belonged. The only true way to follow Jesus is through the bible. Therefore, go to a church that is bible following and Jesus as their Savior believing .
Love your stuff! Just found it a few weeks ago. Found this video to have a lot of sweeping statements though and very little biblical support or precedent. My church is non-denom, but your characterization of it is a little off base. We have a systematic theology we hold to, and it may appear very Southern Baptist, but like you said, we don’t want the hierarchy. You say “independent”, we say “non-denominational”, sounds like semantics to me. You say that Baptist should be in our name, but which one? American? Southern? IFB? Steven Anderson IFB? Maybe people can’t tell you what a Baptist or a Methodist or a Presbyterian is because there are soooo many within each of those. We call ourselves a bible preaching church, and they can reference our statement of faith if they want more specifics. This is completely in line with scripture. Anyway, love your channel! Looking forward to new videos!
As someone who attends a nondenominational/Restoration Movement Bible college, I agree 10000%. I also believe the nondenominational/Restoration Movement churches are turning very liberal.
Trivia Question: (Act 2:47) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Which church did he add them to?
I have friends who attend Non denominational churches and for everything that was mentioned in this channel is how they go by THE WORD OF GOD. Which is very similar to the Baptist church I grew up in but, now I attend an Apostolic Church.
Dude, you need to do your research. We are nondenominational because we don’t hold certain things that other churches hold to be true like calling persist ‘farther’. We don’t think what Jesus wiped out what the Old Testament says. Do your research in the word brother! May God be with with you!
I believe that when Jesus said “A house divided cannot stand” he meant it. That’s why I don’t label myself under something that a mere human established. I’m not nondom that’s just what you would call me. I’m a follower of Christ. Jesus also said “my sheep know my voice” what you are preaching is not edifying. The gospel is simple and uncomplicated but the strong holds in our brain allow us to believe different.
Amen and having fellowship does not mean going to a “building “ it means to gather and proclaim the gospel that can be done anywhere . We are the temple we are the church.
Remember it's not our Job to separate the wheat from the Tares. God will separate the sheep and the goats in the End. That's why I always pray that God guide me and others in truth always. I beg God's mercy that he keeps me humble, that i dont become a pharisee (self-righteous using the Bible to be condescending to the lost)
Any, and I mean ANY form of institutionalised church is not of God. From Yeshua Himself ; Where two or three are gathered together, there I shall be... That is Church.
I can't count the number of "non-denominational" churches I've been to 🤣 Such a good point. And it's funny bc most of those churches have something to hide.
That’s interesting. It is amazing how so many southern Baptist churches are going that direction. In my experience most non-denominational churches would be charismatic/Pentecostal. Sadly a lot of southern Baptist churches are now charismatic churches too
My husband and I attend a “non-denominational” church, but we generally understand that it’s a “reformed” southern Baptist church and it’s governed by the SBC. Non denominational churches are basically reformed Baptist. And yes, I believe you are correct, it’s a marketing tactic to get people in.
I think it just generally depends on where you're from. Because I'd say that 95% of the "non-denominational" churches here where I live are pretty much just Pentecostals without actually admitting they are.
It's time for believers to stop squabbling amongst ourselves over petty things and unify against the darkness in this world. Matt 22:28 "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:"
@@patricksullivan1020 Sounds good to me. Let's stop breaking the third commandment and call our Heavenly Father by HIS paleo-hebrew name יהוה YaHuWaH Let's all start doing the 4th commandment and keep the Sabbath Holy. Heck, let's all just start reading the bible for ourselves and allow the Ruach HaKudesh [Holy Spirit] guide us into TRUTH instead of paying loud-mouth preachers for their stinkin-thinkin opinions.
@@CalledOutOfDarkness I just used scripture to show you why we don't obey the law of Moses from the OT, but rather the new covenant in the NT yet you still deny scripture and hold to that false doctrine... Why? Do you want to die and be judged by the law? BTW "work" is anything your body does. You can't cook, you can't clean, move furniture, go to your job, do household chores, ANYTHING. Basically, lay in bed all day if your going to observe the Sabbath literally...
@@patricksullivan1020 Where is your scripture. I don't see it in this conversation or any addressed to me. But here is some scripture for you to ponder, LUKE 13:23-25 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Bold statement Spencer, but false. Even if a church is using the term non denominational, and you believe independent is a better term, that does not mean they are lying. It means they are choosing to note that they are not affiliated with any organized denomination. That is not a lie. And FYI, I spent many years at a non denominational church that was much closer to Assemblies of God than baptist, but not part of the AG organization, and with subtle differences from the AG. That pretty much seems non denominational.
That is not the only definition of non-denominational. Although I can see the hypocrisy. Claiming they interpret the bible literally as it should be. But to be honest, at the same time, I like it better, because they are not OPENLY committing the heresy of division.
I have studied many theologies...been in many deno.inational churches and the one church i was truly delivered in was an independant non denominational church that i watched many truly beautiful things happen in...my deliverance for one...the other being prophesied over...three actually having some serious spiritual situations that blew me away...i pray at home now because ppl like you start and judge within the body of JESUS...JESUS reaches us where we are brother and when he wants to reaffirm our faith i believe he tells us to worship in spirit and truth..not just in a buikding with a label on it..i identify my denomination as A CHIKD OF THE ONE TRUE GID...JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT...so while you sow seeds os deccention..i will sow seeds of joy and love now matter the bixed up mess of some faiths...i woukd rather meet in a woided area singing and praising..sharing testimonies and leading ppl to JESUS...i repect your work and your calling...but respect others as well brother...by the spirit of the HOLY SPIRIT...by our love...by our understanding..we bare fruit...im hoping to one day get to share my story and you shall know what i mean...so please stop sowing dissention and pray for others uf you feelthey are wrong...ty...GOD BLESS...with respect and reverence for you
Pastor, brother, I myself am only Christian. I grew up in the Catholic Church, I left and joined a nondenominational church. We are only Christian. We believe only the Bible. I have my own problem with Baptist’s, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, all of them. We do classify as something, we classify as Christians.
Ok, very glad to hear the difference between non- denominational” vs. “independent”. The last quickie video you did the other day on this subject I objected to. However, with this clarification I’d say my church would be independent. Our theology is in line with the Baptist’s, but we do not answer to a hierarchy structure.
M D Right. Not believing in denominational labels and borders is a legitimate conviction. Having beliefs that align with existing denominations doesn’t mean that such churches only seek out fellowship with churches of like belief or desire to be associated with a known denomination for whatever reason. And just because some pastors are playing the name game doesn’t mean (1) they are actually nondenominational and (2) “nondenominational” is an invalid description of any church.
Another who did not really listen. So many here get triggered when they think they hear their 'non denominational' Church being criticized and failed to listen when he talked about Independent Churches that answer to no Hierarchy H.Q. in the next city or state over...
My mom goes to a church funded by the Lutheran Church Missouri synod, but calls itself tangible grace fellowship church, they have Lutheran beliefs and sacraments but they use rock and roll music and drop the Lutheran title. My grandmother who is a hardcore Lutheran confronted the pastor and told her that its offensive to people to use the Lutheran title in their church. Their are other churches calling themselves soul thirst church and waters edge church but still are funded by the LCMS. It’s not only deceptive to parishioners but the denominational synods should not fund them if they are not proud enough of their denomination to use it in the name of their church.
Sorry but you're are not right this time, primitive church was not a denomination, and God doesn't speak to men by studies and theologies, but by reveling and vindicating his own word. Some churches might be the way you're saying, but saying that there's no such a thing as an non-denominational churches" IS WRONG (If you can proof the contrary, please bring up the scriptures). Organizations in Jesus days (Pharisees, Sadducees..) which are types of today's denominations were too attached to their dogmas that they missed the fulfilment of the word of God in their time. They were fighting each other but agreed on crucifying Jesus. it's the same thing today. They don't agree with each other but are uniting into ecumenism agreeing on false foundation (baptism in father's, holy spirit's and son's name which have never been practiced in the Bible, (you know that, of not, please look it up) And denying the one ever practiced by the Apostles in who they also believe, the baptism in the name of the "Lord Jesus-Christ", and many other things. Actually, non-denominational church in his real meaning (not fake one) means not attached to any denomination or it's dogmas, but believing all the world of God. Because denominations take a part of the word, make up dogmas and stay on that instead of going ahead with God revealed word for each day. God's children gather around His word, not around men made systems and dogmas. Because you may live by them, but you can't die by them, for they won't stand before death. And if denomination is right, only one of all the today's Denominations is right and all other are wrong and lost. But God, in his Justice won't Judge the world according to one denomination, but according to his own word. Notice, all denominations types in the Bible have worked out of God's will, and you will see that God has always sent prophets to bring them back in his perfect will. It's the same thing today. My Regards, not to criticize, but to bring up the light. Here are some scriptures that speak of those things Hebrew 13:8/luke 17:30-37/Amos 3:7/Malachi 4:6/ revelation 10:7/ 2 Timothy 3:16/ 2 Peter 1:20-21/ Isaiah 55:9; Acts of apostles 7:48 and many others.
Exactly brother! It’s true- nowadays non-denominational is a marketing tactic. But the most holy church would be non-denominational not to market but for the sake of the truth of the Word! We are suppose to be 1 church. I am blessed to go to a non-denominational holy church, a church God would be proud of. Unfortunately most non-denominational churches are evil. It’s satan. They’re taking something great and trying to turn it bad. I follow 1 denomination and that is the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST
Joe Gallehgos Many pastors, when they baptize, they say I baptize you in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” when that isn’t biblical because no one was ever baptized that way in the Bible. Pastors are suppose to baptize “in the name of Jesus”. God bless you brother I love you!!
This guy is making himself look self righteous. This is why Jesus hated religion. This is what non denomination stands for . Stop creating division .. why does this REALLY matter? As long as we are living biblically that’s all that matters is that your church is biblical.
1 Corinthians 1:10, says that there should be no separations amongst us and that we should all be of like mind and same judgement. No one should associate themselves with any denominations including yourself. It’s unbiblical.
When somebody ask what denomination I am I tell them in follow the word of God so ik i wouldn't be catholic bc of their idolizing and stuff so idk what to tell ppl when they ask
So if a church is defined by a congregation not specifically the leadership and everyone in that congregation doesn’t share the same specific theology that would define a denomination then what would you label that church? A Baptist Church that half the people in there are Methodist and 25% are Pentecostal and the other 25% are baptist isn’t a really a Baptist Church. But of course if we are defining this by the leadership and who runs the church then it’s a different story, but are we called to define our churches by the leaders or by the congregation? Church was meant to be a movement based of the original translations, “ekklesia” which literally means congregation. But the King James Version changed that original word to church which has a separate meaning which allows for a hierarchy and defining of the specific denomination. But even if you go the book of act and read about the Jerusalem council, you will see a similar situation come up. The jew-Christians believed in certain things that the gentile converts did not. They COULD have separated and formed different denominations, but at that time they stayed. There was no church then. There was only ekklesia. And that was the congregation of God’s people who came to God through Christ. So if it is defined my the congregation, then having a single denomination seems to be just as deceiving as saying there is no denomination. Maybe mixed denomination, or maybe just focus on something that isn’t a denomination. That is not what should be important in the first place.
Denominations are just satans way of dividing the church( or congregation): Divide and conquer is his tactic. However, their are many true brothers and sisters in Christ who are stuck in denominationalism. Me and Spencer might not see eye to eye about this, but I still consider him a brother in Christ. And if I can reach him about strongholds in his life, then let the Lord do His work in me. I would want the same from any brother in Christ. Proverbs 27:17, "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." Proverbs 12:15, "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise." To add: Scripture says that we all need each other. None of us know it all. Ephesians 4:11-16, "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." Paul could have been a know it all but a messenger of satan was sent to him, to keep him humble.(2 Corinthians 12:7) If anyone of us today knew it all, what would God have to do to us to keep us humble? We must help each other. That's the way God set it up.
when a church says "non-denominational", I ask what they believe, etc. With the Vineyard, sometimes one pastor doesn't have same strict beliefs as another.
Good grief, once again this is the kind of stuff that upsets some people so much because of all the lies and the facade, that they don't go back to church at all and it leaves a really bad taste in the mouths of new believers
Atheism is not a theology, thats my one main point of contention. Atheist can be theologists and engage in theology but atheism is not a religion. Atheism isnt a monolith.
Bogus. There are thousands of non denom churches. Some percentage of those churches are theologically unsound, and some percentage or theologically sound. But that's the same for any group of churches. Non-denominational in its' basic sense simply means you're not part of an organized denomination. Organized denomination meaning something like the Southern Baptist convention, PCUSA etc. Theological systems as the video suggests, does not necessarily define denominations. In some instances it does, but theological systems can transcend to denominations as well. In other words you can have some groups that believe the same thing, but fall under different denominations. And there are also denominations that strictly adhere to a theological system, but a theological system and a denominational system aren't necessarily the same, it's better to say they might overlap but they're not the same. Think of one as an organization, denomination, and another as beliefs, theological system.
The definition of denominate means "to name." If you are non denominational you don't have a name. There is a word for children that do not take the father's name, Heb 12:8. The true family of God takes the Father's name. (Eph 3:14) For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, (Eph 3:15) Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, The family of God is named after God the Father. (Act 20:28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. (1Co 1:2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: (1Co 15:9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. (1Ti 3:5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Denominations are the harlot daughters of Babylon (Rev 17:5) And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Bible Believing, KJV 1611, Street Preaching, Independent, Fundamental Baptist. Praise God! We may have small churches, but we are mighty through the Lord Jesus Christ.
I attend a non-denominational church, and they are open to the *_Entire Gospel_* , including all Gifts of the Spirit. They do not have any affiliation to an external hierarchy. And I know a good bit about theology as well.
Spencer I am usually with everything you say. You have taught me a lot of good doctrine. But you are way off on this. In the video you said " what do I know, im just a guy with a Bible" I would use your own methodology and point out , You didnt use any of it on this subject! You may be very accurate in your description of this examples you give, but lumping us all into one box is never a good idea. Hey I appreciate your opinion on the subject, but I believe there are others , outside of your example who dont fit in the box you are lumping us all in.
If you listened, he called such churches "Independent" and I do not see you refuting with any doctrine, just your own defensive opinion. Why defensive? He was offering his observations from across the continent to overseas. What is your reference points for your own opinion? I'd say he hit a nerve if both yourself and Steve here.
@@matthewronsson a year late yes... But changing the word "non denominational" to "independent" doesn't make a difference in the reason it's being used in the first place. The video creators opinion" seems to stem off how his friend manipulated the usage so as to not scare potential followers away. There is bad intentions everywhere. Doesn't mean all non denominational churches or even believers fall into this category.
My church is Plymouth Brethren, but we don't consider it part of a denomination. You would probably classify it as independent. We practice believer's baptism. We celebrate breaking of bread weekly. We do not have a pastor, instead we have a speaker's committee. This means someone from the church or a guest speaker from the outside will give the weekly sermon. You're not hearing the same person preach each week. Our elders are recognized annually and they are the leaders. We have a plurality of leadership, not one man. This leads to greater accountability and prevents the abuse of a potential strong man in a leadership position. This system of church governance has worked well and there have been no scandals of any kind in our leadership since I started attending as a child back in the early 1980s.
It's a valid point about independent vs non-denom and I agree that it's important to make sure that your non- denominational church teaches Biblical, Truth but i really don't think most people hold those connotational differences between those words. Certainly not to the degree that you do. Legit question: Is it really that important that everyone use your definition of "independent" and "non-denom" or is that title and argument just meant to get people to click on the post?
Thank you so much Spencer. You educated me today. Thank you for making this absolutely clear. Now I know the true meaning behind the term "non-denominational". Now I understand what an independent church truly is and what it means. Thanks Spencer for explaining it. God bless you!🙏
We are at a point is put an alter in our house and simply pray with fellow friends who are Christian. That's why God said their will be a falling away from the church.
What do you do? Travel to different churches? I classify as a God fearing, brother loving individual and I just want The Lord, my Father Abba to lead me in my path on this journey!
I went to a non denominational church for many years. It was a good church. But they believed and carried their services for the Church of God and Pentecostal. I was raised a Missionary Baptist but started going here as an adult. Well I got confused and years later Many prayers later I am back in a Southern Baptist church I love... Thank You Spencer...
It’s a shame we all can’t take the Bible for literally what it is. The Church of Christ would be much more effective and powerful if we were all based on biblical truths and not divided into denominations and simply just The Church. Jesus wants us to be one. He even prayed it, He wants us to be one just like He and The Father are!
I’m Lutheran Mo. Synod. You are correct sir! How could the Baptist Church come before Luther who started The Reformation! Others who followed with different interpretations followed. Catholics believe Peter was the first Pope...although Peter sinned and was corrected by Paul and he was married...
My church is Non Denominational. We believe doctrine matters. And my Pastor teaches expositonaly chapter by chapter, book by book out of the Bible. Letting scripture interpret itself. The problem with the many Denominations is they don't need to exist. If all Christian churches would teach the Bible with no funny business, we wouldn't have half the problems we have. God's word is absolute.
Non-denominational can mean many things. Simply check out the church's beliefs. Moreover, when a church changes pastors, the theology will change as well. Why is it weird to say you are not connected with some organization? Just pick up a Bible, read it, do it. I am sure there is truth in what Spence is saying; I just do not think it is universally - or necessarily true.
Denominations are often a doctrinal barrier, making those subscribe to a belief statement rather than a profession of Christ. I am non denominational (as a Master in Theology) since church history demonstrates gospel contradiction. If we aren’t of one voice, then we are of no voice at all. To hate those who moniker a hate of labeling and false identity, may posit a lack of biblical understanding. May there be Baptist undertones or cults, yep. Even your “denomination” suffers. People don’t understand human failure and meaningful change or leadership. It’s our fault. When we hold an ideal we fail at, instead of the crux of Christ, we nitpick at others failures that are often are own. This video shows me why Christ says I never knew you. Instead of a focus on pre existing beliefs, an assertion of Baptist hiding is supported. The better assertion would be ignore doctrines of devils and focus on what Christ and the Apostles shared. Who cares about labels or monikers? Call me what you want, I only want people to hear the gospel and how that contradicts the world we live in.
I'm one of those that couldn't tell you the difference between one religion and another. I do read the gospel I do understand the gospel and it's hard for me to find a place or people can just study and teach the Bible. And that's how I determined Rather Church is good for me or not. I don't want to go to a church and get a pep talk I want to go to church and learn more and more how I can get closer to God and do it his way and not mine. I feel lonely in this department but I don't want to be led astray
For if he that comes preaches another YAHUSHA, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another ruach, which ye have not received, or another Besorah, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. QORINTIYM SHENIY (2 CORINTHIANS) 11:4 את CEPHER
Matthew is very important here. 16: upon this rock i will build my church and the gates of hell will never prevail against it. 18: and if he will not listen to the church, let him be as a gentile and tax collector. Its clear the church is one body of believers. Not dozens or hundreds of theologies. Before the reformation, there were 3 churches with nearly identical liturgy, eucharist, baptism, theology, and canon. 500 years ago someone came up with the idea that anyone should be able to read the bible and interpret for themselves what any passage means. Which books to even consider scripture was suggested to be left to the individual, and a full rejection of oral tradition we are told to hold to in scripture itself. Nothing could ever be more self empowering than determining what the bible says for yourself. You can exalt passages that cater to your theology and totally ignore the ones that refute it. Not to mention the 3 distinct markers for Protestants arent even scriptural. Sola scriptura puts you in charge of the what the bible says, sola fide causes dozens if not hundreds of contradictions and is unhistoric. Finally the canon. Really what gave the Protestant church the right to remove Scripture? When you research the answer to that question, youll find out they did it just to save money. How disrespectful.
Sorry Spencer, but I have to rebuke here. Your doctrine is at fault, and is a heresy. We as believers are the church, we go further than just a church building of an assembly of people who call themselves by a title. At the end of the day, we are just unworthy servants of Christ, there is no correct church building to go to. Non-denominational = believers being God's church. Now when it comes to the "church of Christ" that is a denomination, but it is a cleverly masqueraded cult. The real church of God, does not reside in a physical building to be saved
I’ve watched a number of your videos and I can’t help but think how sad your spiritual life is. You denounce praise music as demonic and nondenominational churches as a lie. The nondenominational movement was about getting away from religion. It’s about having a personal relationship with Christ not bogged down by those rules meant to control and shame church members. It’s not about “do whatever you want” but rather “come as you are and we will love you and introduce you to Christ. He will work on your heart and change you.” I’ve seen drug addicts, criminals, homosexuals, and the lost transform their lives where they were rejected by the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, etc. I encourage you to look at what your goal is; to shame those that don’t believe the way that you do?
The IBC..independent fundamental church is a very sad church indeed..my beloved friend was freed from a legalistic church some years ago...he has grown 10 fold in his walk with the Lord and understands the whole counsel of God and freedom and joy in the Holy Spirit of truth.Spencer Smith is a sad example of a true blood bought christian..he is a sad sack.
I prefer singing hymns that have meaning and especially those that mention Jesus/God. There are far too many emotional songs that could be sung about anyone under the sun. Contrary to what most people think today, emotionalism is not equivalent to being spiritual. That is not legalism. It is about Who you love -- God or the world. I don't want emotional fluff, I want worshipful, Godly hymns that can remind me of Jesus in times of need and temptation. I once went to a nondenominational community church. You are correct -- there is such an animal, but what a strange animal it was. They were so far from the Truth, that we ended up walking out in the middle of the service. With that said, we also tried many other "Baptistenough to find the out. I disagree with many things Spencer Smith says, but I agree with him on this topic.
I don't know what happened, but one of my sentences somehow got garbled. "With that said, we also tried many other "Baptistenough to find the out." With that said, we also tried many other "nondenominational" and "independent" churches, only to find the out that they ALL were Southern Baptist in disguise. You just had to dig deep enough to find out.
One pastor told me one time, he can prove that even apostles were Baptists. I don’t understand what makes people to be so committed to their denomination. Why not be just a believer? Christian? Disciple of Christ ?
After all, Jesus didn’t say: Go into all the world and make denominations
@@honest7535 Orthodox Church
@@honest7535 attend to A CONGREGATION where biblical teachings are taught.
As to church to choose to do not worry if you are truly a believer if you are truly a child if God if the HOLY SPIRIT is in you you are in the body of Christ, the true church of God. It was God Himself who ADDED you to the true church of God. Being in the body of Christ it is solely the work of God. Only the saved ones were ADDED to the church, and only God knows every hearts of man, that is why only God can FIT all believers to the body of Christ. The spiritual body of Christ.
That's true that's why there's thousands of different denominations and teachings not following 2nd Timothy 2:15 Mass confusion. For four decades as a fundamentalist Baptist I had no idea Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles the church the body of Christ. Romans 11 chapter verse 13.
@@honest7535 One the preaches the FULL WORD OF GOD.
@Honest Calvary Chapel churches teach verse by verse through the Bible, and there will always be a teacher or more to choose from as they are across the country and on the web. If someone is a believer, they should be studying the Bible so that they can compare what they are hearing in the pulpit to Scripture. I was an Episcopalian and when they changed their views on gay marriage, I had to leave because that view doesn’t jibe with what I read in the Bible. I want to stay on the narrow path, and would rather hear truth than be deceived. God loves everyone, and only He will judge us, so that’s up to Him who He allows in. If a church said that lying, gossiping, stealing, pride, prejudice,or any other sin was now ok, I wouldn’t attend because that’s not what I read. This is what God says to anyone reading this! Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
When I say I'm nondenominational, I'm saying I believe in the whole Bible and what it says, I dont just pick and choose on what top believe in, Just like the Baptist, Southern Baptist, Church of Christ, Methodist, Presbyterian, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses. I strongly believe every word. I will never say that this is right, this is passed away, this wasn't meant for us only for the disciples and only the disciples could do that, and so much more. So there are 3 different kinds of nondenominational churches.
Agreed
I agree without you. Bible believing church all the way.
Exactly right! I think what Spencer was saying here though was how many churches call themselves non-denominational to attract lukewarm believers to a feel-good, sugar coated preaching church. However, I attend a church that calls themselves non-denominational, and their theology explains pretty much what you're saying; that they don't necessarily have exact views as certain denominations, they just preach the bible for what it is and it's not sugar coated whatsoever. I've attended this church for 2 years and I haven't heard anything falsely preached, feel-good or them making it sound like life motivation/health and wealth similar to what Joel Osteen and Steven Furtick preach, my church says that sinners will go to hell unless they don't have faith in Jesus and repent of their sins, end of story.
@@ad_wang Yes I know he was a Jew, Jesus also said not to change they word or even taking words out of it, he wants us to read it in context. What you and the one who made this video is putting judgement on every other denomination, so before you pass judgement you better look inside yourself. Tell me one thing one thing that I wrote that is supposed to be blasphemy
@@ad_wang I really dont care about those churches. Thier Theology is wrong on so many levels about the nondenominational churches, they are DIY in the body of Christ, They stick to watch the bible says and don't take the bible out of context unlike these another churches,
I've been to many denominations of Christianity, and the funny thing is, as I read the Bible I was led by the Spirit outside any denominations. These denominations has been formed by the doctrines of men and that is the key difference between the pure Word of God and denominations.
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:6-7 KJV
Always find the truth in the old KJV.
Amen I agree all are wrong for one false doctrine or another. I see your using a KJV,do you believe it's the only pure words of God we can get our hands on. All modern versions are trash
I can see your using KJV. Only perfect word of God,it's so funny it's like you said you pick up that bible and it disproves every denomination by showing all there lies.on the other hand you pick up the modern versions and if it agrees with each denomination because they are wicked and changed there garbage new modern versions.then when you try to tell people that are using these modern versions they come up with the stupidest excuses to try to defend.... I'll show where there an IV or RSVP or even New King James version changes gods doctrines over and over with verse after verse it's really sad. Howcould you trust these modern versions which change every 4 or 5 years since the 1600 while the KJV has never changed not once. So there is no choice KJV only
@Donnie Jacks only KJV.... what if I could prove the ESV changed verse and doctrines therefore making it evil
@Donnie Jacks joke if want to. When you stand before Godall your excuses will not work because you know the truth deep down in your heart...
See the thing about us KJV onlyis we could die for our beliefs because we know they never changed we know what they rest on is truth. all modern versions come from the alexandrian text who is anybody who has studied the facts know that the alexandrian texts are trash and contradict themselves consistently which means they are works of Satan.
my question for you is would you die for your satanic modern versions and your beliefs.I'm sure you couldn't,you can find any of these modern version scholars like James White, i would ask them the same question and they would answer no. They would not die for their beliefs because they really do not believe in God because all their materials contradict because they trust the alexandrian text over the textus receptus...
When I left the Catholic church, I found that no denomination could satisfy what I was looking for... A direct connection to Jesus, that is why I am a Christian of no particular denomination, I visit most churches to be in communion with my brothers & sisters... I have my Lord, my bible, my truth in the Living Word & my peace.
All you need is a bible....you dont need a church. Wake up people..
I am non-denominational. I don't belong to any denomination. I belong to Christ. Every denomination has some level of truth in their theology, but no denomination has got their entire theology correct according to the word of God. If you adhere to any denomination you also adhere to the errors of that denomination. 1 kor 1:10-13
Thank God and thank you...
AMEN!
My church calls itself non-denominational but they are pretty loud and proud of their “conservative leaning” Baptist roots. Maybe they should call themselves independent instead?
Independent Baptist?
No LOL because the point is that they're willing to worship with people who disagree with them. Unless your churches in the habit of kicking people out, they are not denominational.
Titus 1:4, "To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour."
The Body of Christ is of the common faith. We need no labels.
AND THAT GOES FOR BEING CALLED A BAPTIST! .....THEY WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS IN THE WORD AND EARLY CHURCH!
@@russellestes2962 I have a suspicion that the word christian is not approved for the early believers or early DISCIPLES. My basis is that after the name Christian came out the writers of the books of the bible did not use this word in calling themselves. Only three times the word was used in the bible.
So for me let them call me Christian but for me if you ask me my answer is I am a DISCIPLE of Jesus.
I completely agree. I could be wrong in this, but when I think of denominations, I always remember Paul calling out people for saying “I am of Paul, I am of Cephas” and he asks them “is Christ divided?” .. or later on in Corinthians Paul says envying, *divisions* , and strife are carnal
amen to that....i am a CHRISTIAN.... not a Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, ...etc three times in the new testament the believers were called CHRISTIANS!
@@reubenjoseph6907 I like how you put that. I will never tell anyone Im not something for I am to other people whatever people see me as in their own eyes. However, if I'm asked, I will say Im a follower or rather a chaser of Christ Consiousness. Because isnt that what we strive to be? In the same state of consiousness that Jesus embodied? People need their labels to feel like they fit in. Jesus went against all labels and did the exact opposite. He had no desire to "fit in" but rather he had a desire to do what was right.
Denominations are just the church dividing its self. The church is ONE BODY
No. Because not all churches are the same. Not all churches believe the same. That is the whole point of what he is saying. Many may share similarities, but hold to different doctrines. Charismatic churches have a very different theology than independent Baptists. Presbyterians hold different beliefs than SBC. If there are differences in the theology, then they are not the same. Put them each against the Bible, and what it says about the Bride of Christ and you will find the truth.
Diana Psotka that’s the whole problem!
Right Denomination prevents Matthew 7:15-20. Especially verse 19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
@@infinitx1330 what did @The Hulk say? I keep seeing that comments are deleted all over TH-cam. It seems they are going wild censoring Christian's and conservatives right now. Can you still see the Hulks comment and I'm just not seeing it or was it actually deleted?
@@infinitx1330 me too brother me too! We will have one soon I think. And once there's more options Twitter, Facebook, TH-cam, and Google will have to get their act together just to compete with the new up and comers. Isn't parler back up and running again too?
GOD"NEVER" MEANT HIS CHURCH TO BE SRPARATED INTO ANY TYPE OF DENOMINATIONS.BAPTIST,LUTHERAN,EPISCOPAL ETC,ETC!.So I don't think that makes you right either!
Yea I like this guy but this is off
You have discernment Paul, keep staying strong ❤
A lot of things happen in this wicked world that align more with the devils will than God's will.
He allows free will and choice. There is a false branch of Christianity, it is deception
The only true churchbis predenominational. The ancient Orthodox church
When a person approaches me and tells me there non denominational I tell them that the use of the word non denominational has now become a denomination usually their Pentecostal part of that bent
What denomination was Jesus and the original 12 He hand picked to start His Church? I don’t see anywhere in my NKJV Bible that mentions denominations. Denominations are man made my friends. I do not follow any man, I am not a Wesleyan, Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, or Calvinist. I am a Jesusist because I follow and am a disciple of Jesus, no one else ...period. Oops, I guess I just made a new denomination, lol!!!
Anyone can start a Protestant church, open up a church in a shopping mall, sell pizza Monday - Saturday and be a church on Sunday.
Denomination and non denomination aren’t even scripture. That’s all man’s doing. Jesus said, on this rock, I’ll build My church. It’s His church. Not His denomination or non denomination.
I think in many cases this is a matter of semantics. I also think it's unfair to say straight across the board, "they're lying." If they are using "non-denominational" to truly deceive or hide their real connections with church hierarchies, then one could say they are lying. My personal understanding has always been that most of these "non-denominational" churches just want to offer a place of worship to those who don't necessarily consider themselves of a particular strain, or don't WANT to be connected to one of these strains. I can go with the category of "independent," but if I was going to look for a place to worship the Lord with other Believers, I would look for a place where they call themselves "non-denominational" before I would ever go for Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc. In any case, all of that is nonsense. You won't find in the Scriptures these different "sects" anyway - even the Apostle Paul considered himself part of "The Way." If we want to start parsing the issue, then anyone or any church that calls themselves Baptist, or Methodist, etc., is not scriptural, to call a spade a spade. I agree with Rob1026 : "The Body of Christ is of the common faith. We need no labels." And of course, we are speaking of the TRUE Body of Christ. I prefer places of worship that do not have labels.
You got a level head.thank you.people need to read the Bible and not just read it.
It is not nonsense at all if you actually listened to what this man said. Most "non denominational" Churches are ion fact, adapted from a Denomination. Learn to listen: there are a host of 'non denominational' Churches that are really patterned after a denomination, and answer to a remote Hierarchy. Then, there are Independent Churches who are not beholden to a Hierarchy in the next city or half a continent away...
There are heretical sects in scripture. In Revelation Jesus specifically condemns the Nicolations by name. I would also argue the churches Paul condemns contain many of seeds of the denominations we have today.
I see what your saying. Non denominational typically are independent so weird they would assume they answer to another hierarchy other than themselves. Now, to go and call independent or non denominational people heretics is a bit far to go and say. I agree with what your saying. Some would prefer a non denominational and by saying non denominational is not saying they don't believe in anything from the holy bible. I think this speaker guy should actually meet and actually hear out those who have roots in a denomination and then now call themselves non denominational. Not all the time it is strictly just Baptist. It is a combination and that does not make them heretics.
Well said. God bless you.
I don't belong to ANY religion. I belong to Jesus Christ❤
I attended a 'non-denominational' Church and it was obvious that they were basically Pentecostal. They were convinced that once Baptized people should start speaking in tongues immediately, if not shortly thereafter.
We will know who the true believers are when Jesus returns in all of his Glory!!👍👍🙏
Amen
When I wanna put it in my calendar.
2019 years and waiting. But if he does like you say. He might be a little busy dealing with church fraud, profiteering under his name, child molesters in the church and as well as racism under his name. Sounds like the church doesn’t fearJesus too much
There isnt a God
I wish more people understood what you're saying here... Thanks for pointing this out in a video. The rage against all institution, tradition, and organization is an overcorrection of the reformation, and is also very arrogant and simple minded.
Since you know something that the Bible didn’t tell you, and you’re so wise in your own understanding, let me ask you this. What denomination was/is Jesus?
Excellent point at the end, Spencer! I agree with you 100%. Keep speaking up and speaking the truth.
Almost every non-denominational church I've been in if not all I felt spiritually uncomfortable in
Co-sign Brother Spencer. Thank you for the video about Billie Eilish. My daughter is listening to that nonsense on the radio. Time to put the hammer down on that. Being a Christian parent, man.. It's like playing wack-a-mole with the world. But, like St. Peter said, the lion is on the prowl looking for his next victim. Gotta keep watch, my man.
Yeah
So are you saying non-denominational is just another division? I believe in Christ Jesus and I don't believe Christ meant for there to be divisions. I went to a non-denominational when I started going back to church after 20 years of being astray and I found out they are Baptist so I felt misled. I just Thank God my faith is strong enough in Christ that I didn't go astray. I kept praising the Lord and I visit different churches now.
You should find a local church that you agree with doctrinally, join it and support it with your prayers and finances.
@@spencersmith312 - I agree with your prayers, but when you said, "finances" ????
Mat R keep your money. You love it more than the Lords Church...
@@spencersmith312 - But ... which church is the Lord's Church?
All I know to do, is to be generous. When you give to the needy, you give to the Lord 🙏🏽
I belong to an independent fundamental Bible believing Baptist Church for four decades they believe in tithing they Twist from foods to money, if your a Christian they will tell you that if you don't tithe God will put a curse on you ,if you tithe God will bless you? Much as I hate to say it say it they Dont 2nd Timothy 2:15 the word of God at least in the Baptist Fellowship I've been in.
Thank you 🙏 let’s keep it short that’s taking the word of God and deceiving people in their own image.. God bless
I was going to argue with you until you differentiated between non-denominational churches and Independent churches. Good video, thanks for sharing!
So many in this tread did not hear this Missionary speak of the Independent Churches, and go off on him over their own lack of listening.
Pastors Charles Lawson is an independent Baptist Pastor, They actually kicked him out of their independent convention because he wouldn’t go along with their 501(c)(3) rules and regulations. God bless you brother
I liked some of Charles Lawson but I found out he associates with Steven Anderson.
Our church in southwest Texas is a non denominational church, but only because there's a Baptist church across from us a couple blocks down that isn't biblical. Considering it's a very small town and we do consider ourselves as Baptists, it was all our church leaders could do without legal implications. We do preach straight from the Word of God as we all should, keep each other accountable and spread thee Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ when the opportunity arises. Us as a church aren't using because of marketing reasons or trying to be deceptive, but rather just how the layout of our town is.
Does the Apostle Paul tell us what denomination to belong to?
No!
YES! 1 Cor 12:27 says "Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually". That is the denomination of every true believer!
The Word of God is the final authority. I was raised Catholic and I now see that there are many things in the Catholic faith that are erroneous and man made. I suggest you research and seek the truth. There are many sources to read. One of them is the following link.www.wholesomewords.org/etexts/reynolds/rctruth.html
The followers of Jesus were called Christians. Denominations were created by people who could not agree with the beliefs of the denomination of the church where they belonged. The only true way to follow Jesus is through the bible. Therefore, go to a church that is bible following and Jesus as their Savior believing .
Love your stuff! Just found it a few weeks ago. Found this video to have a lot of sweeping statements though and very little biblical support or precedent. My church is non-denom, but your characterization of it is a little off base. We have a systematic theology we hold to, and it may appear very Southern Baptist, but like you said, we don’t want the hierarchy. You say “independent”, we say “non-denominational”, sounds like semantics to me. You say that Baptist should be in our name, but which one? American? Southern? IFB? Steven Anderson IFB? Maybe people can’t tell you what a Baptist or a Methodist or a Presbyterian is because there are soooo many within each of those. We call ourselves a bible preaching church, and they can reference our statement of faith if they want more specifics. This is completely in line with scripture.
Anyway, love your channel! Looking forward to new videos!
As someone who attends a nondenominational/Restoration Movement Bible college, I agree 10000%. I also believe the nondenominational/Restoration Movement churches are turning very liberal.
Trivia Question:
(Act 2:47) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Which church did he add them to?
Most non denominationals are either baptists, pentacoastals or a mix of the two
I have friends who attend Non denominational churches and for everything that was mentioned in this channel is how they go by THE WORD OF GOD. Which is very similar to the Baptist church I grew up in but, now I attend an Apostolic Church.
What denomination were the churches at philippi, Corinth, Ephasus, Rome, Galatia, Colossi, and Thessalonica?
Dude, you need to do your research. We are nondenominational because we don’t hold certain things that other churches hold to be true like calling persist ‘farther’. We don’t think what Jesus wiped out what the Old Testament says. Do your research in the word brother! May God be with with you!
I believe that when Jesus said “A house divided cannot stand” he meant it. That’s why I don’t label myself under something that a mere human established. I’m not nondom that’s just what you would call me. I’m a follower of Christ. Jesus also said “my sheep know my voice” what you are preaching is not edifying. The gospel is simple and uncomplicated but the strong holds in our brain allow us to believe different.
Amen and having fellowship does not mean going to a “building “ it means to gather and proclaim the gospel that can be done anywhere . We are the temple we are the church.
thank you. I grew up in the church of Christ. they say they are not a denomination . And all the other churches are denominations. 🤦🏻♀️
Take a shot when he says "non demoninatinal"
Remember it's not our Job to separate the wheat from the Tares. God will separate the sheep and the goats in the End. That's why I always pray that God guide me and others in truth always. I beg God's mercy that he keeps me humble, that i dont become a pharisee (self-righteous using the Bible to be condescending to the lost)
Any, and I mean ANY form of institutionalised church is not of God. From Yeshua Himself ; Where two or three are gathered together, there I shall be... That is Church.
I can't count the number of "non-denominational" churches I've been to 🤣 Such a good point. And it's funny bc most of those churches have something to hide.
That’s interesting. It is amazing how so many southern Baptist churches are going that direction. In my experience most non-denominational churches would be charismatic/Pentecostal. Sadly a lot of southern Baptist churches are now charismatic churches too
My husband and I attend a “non-denominational” church, but we generally understand that it’s a “reformed” southern Baptist church and it’s governed by the SBC. Non denominational churches are basically reformed Baptist. And yes, I believe you are correct, it’s a marketing tactic to get people in.
I think it just generally depends on where you're from. Because I'd say that 95% of the "non-denominational" churches here where I live are pretty much just Pentecostals without actually admitting they are.
Reformed Baptists are Calvinists so you might want to check that out.
The non-denominational church I went to many years ago is NAR if I've ever seen it. Didnt know any better back then but now I do.
It's time for believers to stop squabbling amongst ourselves over petty things and unify against the darkness in this world. Matt 22:28 "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:"
Then we all need to start speaking and thinking the same. Follow the word of God. Do what He says not what we "feel".
@@patricksullivan1020 Sounds good to me. Let's stop breaking the third commandment and call our Heavenly Father by HIS paleo-hebrew name יהוה YaHuWaH Let's all start doing the 4th commandment and keep the Sabbath Holy. Heck, let's all just start reading the bible for ourselves and allow the Ruach HaKudesh [Holy Spirit] guide us into TRUTH instead of paying loud-mouth preachers for their stinkin-thinkin opinions.
@@CalledOutOfDarkness I just used scripture to show you why we don't obey the law of Moses from the OT, but rather the new covenant in the NT yet you still deny scripture and hold to that false doctrine... Why? Do you want to die and be judged by the law? BTW "work" is anything your body does. You can't cook, you can't clean, move furniture, go to your job, do household chores, ANYTHING. Basically, lay in bed all day if your going to observe the Sabbath literally...
@@patricksullivan1020 Where is your scripture. I don't see it in this conversation or any addressed to me. But here is some scripture for you to ponder, LUKE 13:23-25
Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
The key to getting all these groups together would be 2nd Timothy 2:15?
Bold statement Spencer, but false. Even if a church is using the term non denominational, and you believe independent is a better term, that does not mean they are lying. It means they are choosing to note that they are not affiliated with any organized denomination. That is not a lie. And FYI, I spent many years at a non denominational church that was much closer to Assemblies of God than baptist, but not part of the AG organization, and with subtle differences from the AG. That pretty much seems non denominational.
That is not the only definition of non-denominational. Although I can see the hypocrisy. Claiming they interpret the bible literally as it should be. But to be honest, at the same time, I like it better, because they are not OPENLY committing the heresy of division.
The early Church was nondenominational
I have studied many theologies...been in many deno.inational churches and the one church i was truly delivered in was an independant non denominational church that i watched many truly beautiful things happen in...my deliverance for one...the other being prophesied over...three actually having some serious spiritual situations that blew me away...i pray at home now because ppl like you start and judge within the body of JESUS...JESUS reaches us where we are brother and when he wants to reaffirm our faith i believe he tells us to worship in spirit and truth..not just in a buikding with a label on it..i identify my denomination as A CHIKD OF THE ONE TRUE GID...JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT...so while you sow seeds os deccention..i will sow seeds of joy and love now matter the bixed up mess of some faiths...i woukd rather meet in a woided area singing and praising..sharing testimonies and leading ppl to JESUS...i repect your work and your calling...but respect others as well brother...by the spirit of the HOLY SPIRIT...by our love...by our understanding..we bare fruit...im hoping to one day get to share my story and you shall know what i mean...so please stop sowing dissention and pray for others uf you feelthey are wrong...ty...GOD BLESS...with respect and reverence for you
Pastor, brother, I myself am only Christian. I grew up in the Catholic Church, I left and joined a nondenominational church. We are only Christian. We believe only the Bible. I have my own problem with Baptist’s, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, all of them.
We do classify as something, we classify as Christians.
Is that church got a hierarchy or a systematic set of doctrines?
Ok, very glad to hear the difference between non- denominational” vs. “independent”. The last quickie video you did the other day on this subject I objected to. However, with this clarification I’d say my church would be independent. Our theology is in line with the Baptist’s, but we do not answer to a hierarchy structure.
WHY IS THIS A TOPIC SPENCER?.... THERE ARE SOME CHURCHES THAT HAVE TRULY BEGAN .." NON DENOMINATIONAL"..
Yes. thee church. (Titus 1:4)
M D Right. Not believing in denominational labels and borders is a legitimate conviction. Having beliefs that align with existing denominations doesn’t mean that such churches only seek out fellowship with churches of like belief or desire to be associated with a known denomination for whatever reason. And just because some pastors are playing the name game doesn’t mean (1) they are actually nondenominational and (2) “nondenominational” is an invalid description of any church.
Another who did not really listen. So many here get triggered when they think they hear their 'non denominational' Church being criticized and failed to listen when he talked about Independent Churches that answer to no Hierarchy H.Q. in the next city or state over...
I’m non denominational because I actually pray for people to be healed not just being someone on the stage and wish them to get healed.
My mom goes to a church funded by the Lutheran Church Missouri synod, but calls itself tangible grace fellowship church, they have Lutheran beliefs and sacraments but they use rock and roll music and drop the Lutheran title. My grandmother who is a hardcore Lutheran confronted the pastor and told her that its offensive to people to use the Lutheran title in their church. Their are other churches calling themselves soul thirst church and waters edge church but still are funded by the LCMS. It’s not only deceptive to parishioners but the denominational synods should not fund them if they are not proud enough of their denomination to use it in the name of their church.
Exactly, is there a Lutheran then they should be called Lutheran.
Sorry but you're are not right this time, primitive church was not a denomination, and God doesn't speak to men by studies and theologies, but by reveling and vindicating his own word. Some churches might be the way you're saying, but saying that there's no such a thing as an non-denominational churches" IS WRONG (If you can proof the contrary, please bring up the scriptures). Organizations in Jesus days (Pharisees, Sadducees..) which are types of today's denominations were too attached to their dogmas that they missed the fulfilment of the word of God in their time. They were fighting each other but agreed on crucifying Jesus. it's the same thing today. They don't agree with each other but are uniting into ecumenism agreeing on false foundation (baptism in father's, holy spirit's and son's name which have never been practiced in the Bible, (you know that, of not, please look it up) And denying the one ever practiced by the Apostles in who they also believe, the baptism in the name of the "Lord Jesus-Christ", and many other things.
Actually, non-denominational church in his real meaning (not fake one) means not attached to any denomination or it's dogmas, but believing all the world of God. Because denominations take a part of the word, make up dogmas and stay on that instead of going ahead with God revealed word for each day. God's children gather around His word, not around men made systems and dogmas. Because you may live by them, but you can't die by them, for they won't stand before death.
And if denomination is right, only one of all the today's Denominations is right and all other are wrong and lost. But God, in his Justice won't Judge the world according to one denomination, but according to his own word.
Notice, all denominations types in the Bible have worked out of God's will, and you will see that God has always sent prophets to bring them back in his perfect will. It's the same thing today.
My Regards, not to criticize, but to bring up the light. Here are some scriptures that speak of those things Hebrew 13:8/luke 17:30-37/Amos 3:7/Malachi 4:6/ revelation 10:7/ 2 Timothy 3:16/ 2 Peter 1:20-21/ Isaiah 55:9; Acts of apostles 7:48 and many others.
I AGREE...LONG POST BROTHER
Thanks. Sorry to be long even though I didn't say everything I wanted to.
Daniel Ngoyi I agree with you! Except not sure what you’re saying about baptism.
Exactly brother! It’s true- nowadays non-denominational is a marketing tactic. But the most holy church would be non-denominational not to market but for the sake of the truth of the Word! We are suppose to be 1 church. I am blessed to go to a non-denominational holy church, a church God would be proud of. Unfortunately most non-denominational churches are evil. It’s satan. They’re taking something great and trying to turn it bad. I follow 1 denomination and that is the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST
Joe Gallehgos Many pastors, when they baptize, they say I baptize you in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” when that isn’t biblical because no one was ever baptized that way in the Bible. Pastors are suppose to baptize “in the name of Jesus”. God bless you brother I love you!!
This guy is making himself look self righteous. This is why Jesus hated religion. This is what non denomination stands for . Stop creating division .. why does this REALLY matter? As long as we are living biblically that’s all that matters is that your church is biblical.
1 Corinthians 1:10, says that there should be no separations amongst us and that we should all be of like mind and same judgement.
No one should associate themselves with any denominations including yourself. It’s unbiblical.
When somebody ask what denomination I am I tell them in follow the word of God so ik i wouldn't be catholic bc of their idolizing and stuff so idk what to tell ppl when they ask
So if a church is defined by a congregation not specifically the leadership and everyone in that congregation doesn’t share the same specific theology that would define a denomination then what would you label that church? A Baptist Church that half the people in there are Methodist and 25% are Pentecostal and the other 25% are baptist isn’t a really a Baptist Church. But of course if we are defining this by the leadership and who runs the church then it’s a different story, but are we called to define our churches by the leaders or by the congregation? Church was meant to be a movement based of the original translations, “ekklesia” which literally means congregation. But the King James Version changed that original word to church which has a separate meaning which allows for a hierarchy and defining of the specific denomination. But even if you go the book of act and read about the Jerusalem council, you will see a similar situation come up. The jew-Christians believed in certain things that the gentile converts did not. They COULD have separated and formed different denominations, but at that time they stayed. There was no church then. There was only ekklesia. And that was the congregation of God’s people who came to God through Christ. So if it is defined my the congregation, then having a single denomination seems to be just as deceiving as saying there is no denomination. Maybe mixed denomination, or maybe just focus on something that isn’t a denomination. That is not what should be important in the first place.
Denominations are just satans way of dividing the church( or congregation):
Divide and conquer is his tactic.
However, their are many true brothers and sisters in Christ who are stuck in denominationalism.
Me and Spencer might not see eye to eye about this, but I still consider him a brother in Christ. And if I can reach him about strongholds in his life, then let the Lord do His work in me. I would want the same from any brother in Christ.
Proverbs 27:17, "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."
Proverbs 12:15, "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise."
To add: Scripture says that we all need each other. None of us know it all.
Ephesians 4:11-16, "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love."
Paul could have been a know it all but a messenger of satan was sent to him, to keep him humble.(2 Corinthians 12:7)
If anyone of us today knew it all, what would God have to do to us to keep us humble?
We must help each other. That's the way God set it up.
I am glad that you are sharing this.
The Bible tells us not to be ashamed so that guy was completely wrong
The nondenominational churches here in my area of Oklahoma are all charismatic
That’s maybe because Assemblies of God started in southwest Missouri but that only explains northeastern Oklahoma
Charismatic is Catholic, the head of the charismatic movement is a Catholic monk.
when a church says "non-denominational", I ask what they believe, etc. With the Vineyard, sometimes one pastor doesn't have same strict beliefs as another.
Good grief, once again this is the kind of stuff that upsets some people so much because of all the lies and the facade, that they don't go back to church at all and it leaves a really bad taste in the mouths of new believers
Atheism is not a theology, thats my one main point of contention. Atheist can be theologists and engage in theology but atheism is not a religion. Atheism isnt a monolith.
I'd argue atheism is lack of theology
@@Muhluri I would argue that you're wrong.
So true! I was decived by this because it was where I was raised on the church i had no idea until I grew up but something always felt off
Bogus. There are thousands of non denom churches. Some percentage of those churches are theologically unsound, and some percentage or theologically sound. But that's the same for any group of churches. Non-denominational in its' basic sense simply means you're not part of an organized denomination. Organized denomination meaning something like the Southern Baptist convention, PCUSA etc. Theological systems as the video suggests, does not necessarily define denominations. In some instances it does, but theological systems can transcend to denominations as well. In other words you can have some groups that believe the same thing, but fall under different denominations. And there are also denominations that strictly adhere to a theological system, but a theological system and a denominational system aren't necessarily the same, it's better to say they might overlap but they're not the same. Think of one as an organization, denomination, and another as beliefs, theological system.
I didn't know that. Good information, Spencer,thanks.
The definition of denominate means "to name." If you are non denominational you don't have a name. There is a word for children that do not take the father's name, Heb 12:8.
The true family of God takes the Father's name.
(Eph 3:14) For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
(Eph 3:15) Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
The family of God is named after God the Father.
(Act 20:28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
(1Co 1:2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
(1Co 15:9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
(1Ti 3:5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Denominations are the harlot daughters of Babylon
(Rev 17:5) And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Bible Believing, KJV 1611, Street Preaching, Independent, Fundamental Baptist. Praise God! We may have small churches, but we are mighty through the Lord Jesus Christ.
I attend a non-denominational church, and they are open to the *_Entire Gospel_* , including all Gifts of the Spirit. They do not have any affiliation to an external hierarchy.
And I know a good bit about theology as well.
There’s a few hairs that I would split here (because words have meaning and are not always interchangeable). Otherwise, you’re spot on.
Non-denominational seems like a cop out for a church to not take any positions on doctrine.
Spencer I am usually with everything you say. You have taught me a lot of good doctrine. But you are way off on this. In the video you said " what do I know, im just a guy with a Bible" I would use your own methodology and point out , You didnt use any of it on this subject! You may be very accurate in your description of this examples you give, but lumping us all into one box is never a good idea. Hey I appreciate your opinion on the subject, but I believe there are others , outside of your example who dont fit in the box you are lumping us all in.
If it isn't backed up with scripture it isn't nothing but opinion.
If you listened, he called such churches "Independent" and I do not see you refuting with any doctrine, just your own defensive opinion. Why defensive? He was offering his observations from across the continent to overseas. What is your reference points for your own opinion? I'd say he hit a nerve if both yourself and Steve here.
@@matthewronsson Exactly... that is my point, he offered his opinion without any scripture, usually he does, but on this topic he didnt.
@@matthewronsson a year late yes... But changing the word "non denominational" to "independent" doesn't make a difference in the reason it's being used in the first place. The video creators opinion" seems to stem off how his friend manipulated the usage so as to not scare potential followers away. There is bad intentions everywhere. Doesn't mean all non denominational churches or even believers fall into this category.
I have been in non denominational churches. Everyone believes their own way and anything goes. Not for me. Thank you for your ministry. T
Thanks for sharing this GBY 🙌
My church is Plymouth Brethren, but we don't consider it part of a denomination. You would probably classify it as independent. We practice believer's baptism. We celebrate breaking of bread weekly.
We do not have a pastor, instead we have a speaker's committee. This means someone from the church or a guest speaker from the outside will give the weekly sermon. You're not hearing the same person preach each week.
Our elders are recognized annually and they are the leaders. We have a plurality of leadership, not one man. This leads to greater accountability and prevents the abuse of a potential strong man in a leadership position.
This system of church governance has worked well and there have been no scandals of any kind in our leadership since I started attending as a child back in the early 1980s.
It's a valid point about independent vs non-denom and I agree that it's important to make sure that your non- denominational church teaches Biblical, Truth but i really don't think most people hold those connotational differences between those words. Certainly not to the degree that you do. Legit question: Is it really that important that everyone use your definition of "independent" and "non-denom" or is that title and argument just meant to get people to click on the post?
Saying independent is easier than saying non-denominational so I will probably use that 😄
A dear brother in Christ sent me one of your videos a few weeks ago, I’m so happy that the Lord led me to your ministry.
Thank you so much Spencer. You educated me today. Thank you for making this absolutely clear. Now I know the true meaning behind the term "non-denominational". Now I understand what an independent church truly is and what it means. Thanks Spencer for explaining it. God bless you!🙏
We are at a point is put an alter in our house and simply pray with fellow friends who are Christian.
That's why God said their will be a falling away from the church.
What do you do? Travel to different churches? I classify as a God fearing, brother loving individual and I just want The Lord, my Father Abba to lead me in my path on this journey!
Unfortunately, we go nowhere, because there is not a church that we know of that we won't have to compromise our beliefs to attend.
Where do you live?
You should find a local church that you agree with doctrinally, join it and support it with your prayers and finances.
@@OurHumbleLife Are you Messianic?
"individual" "my path" ... Catch phrases of modern Christianity!
I went to a non denominational church for many years. It was a good church. But they believed and carried their services for the Church of God and Pentecostal. I was raised a Missionary Baptist but started going here as an adult.
Well I got confused and years later Many prayers later I am back in a Southern Baptist church I love... Thank You Spencer...
What religion was God/?
Totally agree with you on this one too = you know what you are talking about and thank goodness for your messages on here !
It’s a shame we all can’t take the Bible for literally what it is. The Church of Christ would be much more effective and powerful if we were all based on biblical truths and not divided into denominations and simply just The Church. Jesus wants us to be one. He even prayed it, He wants us to be one just like He and The Father are!
I’m Lutheran Mo. Synod. You are correct sir! How could the Baptist Church come before Luther who started The Reformation! Others who followed with different interpretations followed. Catholics believe Peter was the first Pope...although Peter sinned and was corrected by Paul and he was married...
My church is Non Denominational. We believe doctrine matters. And my Pastor teaches expositonaly chapter by chapter, book by book out of the Bible. Letting scripture interpret itself. The problem with the many Denominations is they don't need to exist. If all Christian churches would teach the Bible with no funny business, we wouldn't have half the problems we have. God's word is absolute.
Non-denominational can mean many things. Simply check out the church's beliefs. Moreover, when a church changes pastors, the theology will change as well. Why is it weird to say you are not connected with some organization? Just pick up a Bible, read it, do it. I am sure there is truth in what Spence is saying; I just do not think it is universally - or necessarily true.
Denominations are often a doctrinal barrier, making those subscribe to a belief statement rather than a profession of Christ.
I am non denominational (as a Master in Theology) since church history demonstrates gospel contradiction. If we aren’t of one voice, then we are of no voice at all. To hate those who moniker a hate of labeling and false identity, may posit a lack of biblical understanding. May there be Baptist undertones or cults, yep. Even your “denomination” suffers. People don’t understand human failure and meaningful change or leadership. It’s our fault. When we hold an ideal we fail at, instead of the crux of Christ, we nitpick at others failures that are often are own.
This video shows me why Christ says I never knew you. Instead of a focus on pre existing beliefs, an assertion of Baptist hiding is supported. The better assertion would be ignore doctrines of devils and focus on what Christ and the Apostles shared. Who cares about labels or monikers? Call me what you want, I only want people to hear the gospel and how that contradicts the world we live in.
What church are you at in Washington? Help I need a good one, it may be close by because ai live in the middle of WA. Thank you.
I'm one of those that couldn't tell you the difference between one religion and another. I do read the gospel I do understand the gospel and it's hard for me to find a place or people can just study and teach the Bible. And that's how I determined Rather Church is good for me or not. I don't want to go to a church and get a pep talk I want to go to church and learn more and more how I can get closer to God and do it his way and not mine. I feel lonely in this department but I don't want to be led astray
You only need to submit to the holy Spirit and the spirit will draw you closer to God as well as guide you. I had been dealing with the same.
Can you please put together a video to explain the main Christian Denominations. Thanks and May God Bless you
For if he that comes preaches another YAHUSHA, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another ruach, which ye have not received, or another Besorah, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. QORINTIYM SHENIY (2 CORINTHIANS) 11:4 את CEPHER
My Denomination Is. . . ==> Bible Believer
Matthew is very important here. 16: upon this rock i will build my church and the gates of hell will never prevail against it.
18: and if he will not listen to the church, let him be as a gentile and tax collector.
Its clear the church is one body of believers. Not dozens or hundreds of theologies. Before the reformation, there were 3 churches with nearly identical liturgy, eucharist, baptism, theology, and canon.
500 years ago someone came up with the idea that anyone should be able to read the bible and interpret for themselves what any passage means. Which books to even consider scripture was suggested to be left to the individual, and a full rejection of oral tradition we are told to hold to in scripture itself.
Nothing could ever be more self empowering than determining what the bible says for yourself. You can exalt passages that cater to your theology and totally ignore the ones that refute it. Not to mention the 3 distinct markers for Protestants arent even scriptural. Sola scriptura puts you in charge of the what the bible says, sola fide causes dozens if not hundreds of contradictions and is unhistoric. Finally the canon. Really what gave the Protestant church the right to remove Scripture? When you research the answer to that question, youll find out they did it just to save money. How disrespectful.
Sorry Spencer, but I have to rebuke here. Your doctrine is at fault, and is a heresy. We as believers are the church, we go further than just a church building of an assembly of people who call themselves by a title. At the end of the day, we are just unworthy servants of Christ, there is no correct church building to go to. Non-denominational = believers being God's church. Now when it comes to the "church of Christ" that is a denomination, but it is a cleverly masqueraded cult. The real church of God, does not reside in a physical building to be saved
One faith, One Master (Adonei), one immersion. Few if any understand or care. Bornagain Israel!
Awesome video! Good to know!!!
I’ve watched a number of your videos and I can’t help but think how sad your spiritual life is. You denounce praise music as demonic and nondenominational churches as a lie. The nondenominational movement was about getting away from religion. It’s about having a personal relationship with Christ not bogged down by those rules meant to control and shame church members. It’s not about “do whatever you want” but rather “come as you are and we will love you and introduce you to Christ. He will work on your heart and change you.” I’ve seen drug addicts, criminals, homosexuals, and the lost transform their lives where they were rejected by the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, etc. I encourage you to look at what your goal is; to shame those that don’t believe the way that you do?
The IBC..independent fundamental church is a very sad church indeed..my beloved friend was freed from a legalistic church some years ago...he has grown 10 fold in his walk with the Lord and understands the whole counsel of God and freedom and joy in the Holy Spirit of truth.Spencer Smith is a sad example of a true blood bought christian..he is a sad sack.
He reproves, he doesn't shame or condemn. He makes good points on CCM music, too.
I prefer singing hymns that have meaning and especially those that mention Jesus/God. There are far too many emotional songs that could be sung about anyone under the sun. Contrary to what most people think today, emotionalism is not equivalent to being spiritual. That is not legalism. It is about Who you love -- God or the world. I don't want emotional fluff, I want worshipful, Godly hymns that can remind me of Jesus in times of need and temptation.
I once went to a nondenominational community church. You are correct -- there is such an animal, but what a strange animal it was. They were so far from the Truth, that we ended up walking out in the middle of the service. With that said, we also tried many other "Baptistenough to find the out.
I disagree with many things Spencer Smith says, but I agree with him on this topic.
I don't know what happened, but one of my sentences somehow got garbled.
"With that said, we also tried many other "Baptistenough to find the out."
With that said, we also tried many other "nondenominational" and "independent" churches, only to find the out that they ALL were Southern Baptist in disguise. You just had to dig deep enough to find out.