Hey Brian, great note, thank you! Not only does interleaving work better - it makes more sense. You don't just get curve balls in a game, you get all kinds of problems, very rarely in life would you get repetition like that. It probably comes from schools that that's our default method of learning - splitting stuff up, linearly reading and not making connections between subjects since they're all taught separately. Thanks very much, great note as always, have an awesome day! #hermitmode
Decided to practice my retrieval and elaboration by noting the main ideas after the video. Sorry for bad English Fluency vs Mastery - Fluency is about understanding a topic superficially. Mastery is about deeply understanding a certain topic, to the where you can explain it to a layman Active retrieval and elaboration - After being exposed to a new concept, try to ask yourself about the main ideas of what you've just learned about (active retrieval). Or even better, try to explain it with your own words, like you're doing it to someone. Interleave - When testing yourself, instead of focusing on one subject, try to randomize the questions on multiple (but not so many) topics Think you can - Try to get the right mindset when learning. The ones who say that can learn a difficult subject and the ones who say that can't do it are both right
This is probably the best advice on youtube for remembering information, and more importantly, mastering it. Thank you for abridging such an informative book.
Interleaving Curves stood out to me. When I trained in basketball as a kid, I never shot more than 3 free-throws at a time and would actually take those 3 free-throws after other drills to exhaustion. If you just practice free throws, you will never really make them in a game as that's not how it happens in a game. In a game, you dont play the other team in free throws...there's just an abrupt halt in the game once a foul takes place. This why Shaq struggled with free throws...people would say, "he practices 1000s of them and I dont know why he cant make them in a game." You'll struggle on something like free-throws if you dont adopt Interleave Curves.
Very nice consolidated view of these topics. I wanted to get a quick overview of these topics as they are being used in my companies learning materials. Thank!!
Your work was made to stick. Your video is sticky because you are connecting the ideas to our real life situations, Pause and Retrieve. I owe you and your team a lot🌻⚡️🌻
This is one of the best books I have ever read, It has literally changed my style of learning dramatically. Before I watched this video and read Make it stick, I did repetitive reading without retrieving what I learned. Needless to say, the benefit was quite small.. I was struggling to identify how to study effectively. However, the book gave me priceless clues to overcome the situation. Especially, the retrieving practice is quite helpful to retain what I learned. I try to retrieve from my brain without reading anything. If I cannot remember, I check the book again. In addition, I try to explain to my friends by my own words. This process organize information and transfer it into my long-term memory. Writing a review like this is also definitely effective. If I'm asked to choose one book for recommendation, I will chose this book. Thank you for introducing this book to us, Brian.
I like how you described in very clear and simple words the difference between fluency and mastery I personally get the impression that today in university (I would like to add unfortunately) in some courses, students are encouraged to practice fluency and they are prevented to truly master different materials.... especially due to the examens (multiple choice questions instead of open question where you have to start to think for yourself....) instincively I always retrieve my learned material when I am in bed I chould start doing it more systematically...
I'm down for elaboration and active retrieval. But repetition for me personally has always worked. If u repeat something long enough it becomes long term memory. Such as muscle memory, shooting a basketball. Studying for test ect. The baseball curve thing makes sense though I guess it depends on what situation. Writing down stuff u read has always led me to long term memory as well. Or enjoying the subject of study.
Active Retrieval was the big one that stood out to me. I've been trying to learn javascript, which is very difficult for me. I tried several different techniques and have still continued to struggle. I'm going to put this in place going forward and see how it goes for a month or so and see if I can pick up more by trying to retrieve the information. I also was only taking maybe a 5 minute break in between concepts and not hours or even days as suggested here. It's very interesting..I'm excited to see how this goes!
One which i like the most was the growth mindset in which i really failed...!!! But after listening it gave me much more encouragement and confidence to achieve what i wanted to...!!! Thanx a lot Brian for helping me out...!!! I am subscribing to PhilosophersNotes
Im a total fan Brian. Any lecture on how to understand neurosis, neurotic behaviours, etc? I really feel connected to your way of explaining contents. Thank you so much!
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How do you go about remembering 6 different subjects. I need an entry point to recall a subject. Some times I forget about to recall a subject to delve into.
I just ordered this book. I want to take my game up a notch and really improve my math and memory retention. It's funny I do very well in history and behavior sciences I should also include law. But suck at math but in all fairness I don't practice it, so that in it self would lead me to a reasonable conclusion.
Hello sir. In the book Make it Stick, it talks about "interleaved" and "varied" practices. But they both sound like the exact same thing to me. Are they the same thing? I really look forward to your response.
Interesting! Looks like they're not the same. Interleaving is a random order within the variety. Variety: 5-fastballs then 5- curveballs Interleaving: 10 pitches and you don't know if they are curveballs or fastballs Zak | Team Optimize Optimize is now free! Sign up/tell your friends! www.optimize.me
Can we go deeper on interleaving. Yes, it makes sense when talking about pitches and shooting baskets or other psychomotor skills. We need some examples of how you actually interleave when studying. For example to do you work one math problem then read a passage of history, then write a paragraph of text for English, or is a better example to work on the math for 20 minutes, then switch to the history for 20 minutes then come back to math or try doing the writing for English?
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Quick way is to use flash cards of the subjects you’re working on and mix them up. Force yourself to write the answer down first without looking and you’ll get feedback on if you really knew it or not. Let’s say you were learning addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Most people would do 10 mins of addition, etc. But mix them up and it’s random. Your mind has to jump back and forth between them and gets a bit better at determining which operation to use. Then on a test you are better able to determine the right operation to use on each question. There is also value in mixing up subjects because it forces your mind to first determine which subject is being tested vs already knowing it’s biology (for example).
Brian is it optimal to watch this video and just read the quotes and concepts not covered in video on pdf, or are pdfs far superior than videos , i feel like the former is best for me since i can strech/foam roll while getting wisdom i still read 5+ hours non the less but would appreaciate ur answer.
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Hey Brian, I'm re-watching this video again after 9 months and after heaving finally actually read make it stick fully. In the meantime I also worked through Cal Newports Deep Work (just like you, I just love this book) and the question came to mind if the recommended practice of interleaving your learning/retrieval sessions doesnt contradict Cal's idea of 100% focus on just 1 thing at a time being the gold standard? I recall him reasoning with attention residue that would detract from your success on this one task if you multitask or frequently jump from one topic to another. Whats your take on this, do we have a contradiction here? Or is Cal's approach geared more towards achieving new knowledge versus the make it stick method being more geared towards rehearsal? This conclusion just came to my mind typing this out in my own words and elaborating/reflecting on the stuff I learned...I guess I made something stick HA! :-)
The book recommends that you interleave different problems that are related to gain the skill of knowing when to apply one technique instead of other, this technique(interleaving) is also effective for the learner to see how the concepts connect with each other.
This same question came to my mind. But I think we must focus on mastering one main skill like deep work and the one thing and do interleaving practice on the sub skills of that main skill. Because spaced repetition is always better to master any thing and avoid fluency effect.
Hi Brian, my favorite big idea is that 1 - Fluency x Mastery... Now I know that I was just making effort to be familiar with the content and I was thinking that that effort was leading me to Mastery. Thank you so much for sharing your big ideas from another great book. God bless you.
Beautiful vid! Thanks for the great review! All of your vids are so explicit and amazing! This is just what I needed! Would you consider reviewing: Third Circle Theory: Purpose Through Observation Book by Pejman Ghadimi Much appreciation! Happy Holidays!!
This is great information! The closer I return to school, the more I need to learn about learning. SupercalifragilisticIbesuchadopeGURU has done it again!
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A profoundly important book. ...It’s extremely rare to find a book that everyone should read, but Make It Stick deserves such praise.
Hey Brian, great note, thank you! Not only does interleaving work better - it makes more sense. You don't just get curve balls in a game, you get all kinds of problems, very rarely in life would you get repetition like that. It probably comes from schools that that's our default method of learning - splitting stuff up, linearly reading and not making connections between subjects since they're all taught separately. Thanks very much, great note as always, have an awesome day! #hermitmode
+mmotorheadzzz To curveballs in #hermitmode! :)
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Decided to practice my retrieval and elaboration by noting the main ideas after the video. Sorry for bad English
Fluency vs Mastery
- Fluency is about understanding a topic superficially. Mastery is about deeply understanding a certain topic, to the where you can explain it to a layman
Active retrieval and elaboration
- After being exposed to a new concept, try to ask yourself about the main ideas of what you've just learned about (active retrieval). Or even better, try to explain it with your own words, like you're doing it to someone.
Interleave
- When testing yourself, instead of focusing on one subject, try to randomize the questions on multiple (but not so many) topics
Think you can
- Try to get the right mindset when learning. The ones who say that can learn a difficult subject and the ones who say that can't do it are both right
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This is probably the best advice on youtube for remembering information, and more importantly, mastering it. Thank you for abridging such an informative book.
+yeah oh right Thank you!! :)
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For teaching and learning this is key! For our students learning English . . . It's GOLD! Thanks!
Interleaving Curves stood out to me. When I trained in basketball as a kid, I never shot more than 3 free-throws at a time and would actually take those 3 free-throws after other drills to exhaustion. If you just practice free throws, you will never really make them in a game as that's not how it happens in a game. In a game, you dont play the other team in free throws...there's just an abrupt halt in the game once a foul takes place. This why Shaq struggled with free throws...people would say, "he practices 1000s of them and I dont know why he cant make them in a game." You'll struggle on something like free-throws if you dont adopt Interleave Curves.
+Grant Stansbury Awesome.
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All great stuff from you. Your hard work is such a gift to all of us, Brian. Thank you!
Very nice consolidated view of these topics. I wanted to get a quick overview of these topics as they are being used in my companies learning materials. Thank!!
Your work was made to stick. Your video is sticky because you are connecting the ideas to our real life situations, Pause and Retrieve. I owe you and your team a lot🌻⚡️🌻
+Hussein Abdelfatah Big smile and thanks and high fives, Hussein! :)
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This is one of the best books I have ever read, It has literally changed my style of learning dramatically. Before I watched this video and read Make it stick, I did repetitive reading without retrieving what I learned. Needless to say, the benefit was quite small.. I was struggling to identify how to study effectively. However, the book gave me priceless clues to overcome the situation. Especially, the retrieving practice is quite helpful to retain what I learned. I try to retrieve from my brain without reading anything. If I cannot remember, I check the book again. In addition, I try to explain to my friends by my own words. This process organize information and transfer it into my long-term memory. Writing a review like this is also definitely effective. If I'm asked to choose one book for recommendation, I will chose this book. Thank you for introducing this book to us, Brian.
If you think you can, you will and If you think you can't, you won't, either way you're right!...I love that wisdom...thanks for sharing.
I like how you described in very clear and simple words the difference between fluency and mastery
I personally get the impression that today in university (I would like to add unfortunately) in some courses, students are encouraged to practice fluency and they are prevented to truly master different materials.... especially due to the examens (multiple choice questions instead of open question where you have to start to think for yourself....)
instincively I always retrieve my learned material when I am in bed I chould start doing it more systematically...
One of the best, this helps me in my post grad studies, wish I learned this in high school!!
Enjoyed this video a lot. Lots to take away
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I'm down for elaboration and active retrieval. But repetition for me personally has always worked. If u repeat something long enough it becomes long term memory. Such as muscle memory, shooting a basketball. Studying for test ect. The baseball curve thing makes sense though I guess it depends on what situation. Writing down stuff u read has always led me to long term memory as well. Or enjoying the subject of study.
Active Retrieval was the big one that stood out to me. I've been trying to learn javascript, which is very difficult for me. I tried several different techniques and have still continued to struggle. I'm going to put this in place going forward and see how it goes for a month or so and see if I can pick up more by trying to retrieve the information. I also was only taking maybe a 5 minute break in between concepts and not hours or even days as suggested here. It's very interesting..I'm excited to see how this goes!
Where are you two years later? :)
Great info for teachers! Thanks Brian.
+Shawn Stone Yes!! Thanks and my pleasure, Shawn!! :)
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One which i like the most was the growth mindset in which i really failed...!!! But after listening it gave me much more encouragement and confidence to achieve what i wanted to...!!! Thanx a lot Brian for helping me out...!!! I am subscribing to PhilosophersNotes
wow!
very interesting topic. I will definitely put this in practice now with my studies and goals. Thanks Brian.
+perezr14 Awesome!!
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I think of the absurdity of my books of notes on your notes of books. I can't stop my autodidact self!
Im a total fan Brian. Any lecture on how to understand neurosis, neurotic behaviours, etc? I really feel connected to your way of explaining contents. Thank you so much!
+Gilles Tambaud Thanks, Gilles! I talk a lot about what I call "kryptonte" in my new classes that I think you might dig! A little bit here and more in full class + future classes: th-cam.com/video/X1HCmAUFZ44/w-d-xo.html
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How do you go about remembering 6 different subjects. I need an entry point to recall a subject. Some times I forget about to recall a subject to delve into.
Wonderfully explained!
What happens when you can't retrieve the info? Review again? That is the only hurdle I'm having a difficult time understanding
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I just ordered this book. I want to take my game up a notch and really improve my math and memory retention. It's funny I do very well in history and behavior sciences I should also include law. But suck at math but in all fairness I don't practice it, so that in it self would lead me to a reasonable conclusion.
+esiagent1 Awesome!
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Hello sir. In the book Make it Stick, it talks about "interleaved" and "varied" practices. But they both sound like the exact same thing to me.
Are they the same thing? I really look forward to your response.
Interesting!
Looks like they're not the same. Interleaving is a random order within the variety.
Variety:
5-fastballs then 5- curveballs
Interleaving:
10 pitches and you don't know if they are curveballs or fastballs
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@@HeroicBrian Thank you very much sir. I took notes on this yesterday and I was a confused but this clears it up.
Can we go deeper on interleaving. Yes, it makes sense when talking about pitches and shooting baskets or other psychomotor skills. We need some examples of how you actually interleave when studying. For example to do you work one math problem then read a passage of history, then write a paragraph of text for English, or is a better example to work on the math for 20 minutes, then switch to the history for 20 minutes then come back to math or try doing the writing for English?
Or... Work on one type of math problem then a different type then a different type, etc!
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Quick way is to use flash cards of the subjects you’re working on and mix them up. Force yourself to write the answer down first without looking and you’ll get feedback on if you really knew it or not.
Let’s say you were learning addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Most people would do 10 mins of addition, etc.
But mix them up and it’s random. Your mind has to jump back and forth between them and gets a bit better at determining which operation to use. Then on a test you are better able to determine the right operation to use on each question.
There is also value in mixing up subjects because it forces your mind to first determine which subject is being tested vs already knowing it’s biology (for example).
I just whatched a autors book speech, but your video was better
Brian is it optimal to watch this video and just read the quotes and concepts not covered in video on pdf, or are pdfs far superior than videos , i feel like the former is best for me since i can strech/foam roll while getting wisdom i still read 5+ hours non the less but would appreaciate ur answer.
+Dark Tree I also record the PDFs as MP3s which many people tell me they enjoy listening to while working out, driving, etc.!!
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***** hm, pdfs and videos better suit me but is one better than the other ?Are pdfs the superior one ,so to speak =)?
damn also cant see any notifications on youtube anymore might u know any fix?
thanks
Hey Brian, I'm re-watching this video again after 9 months and after heaving finally actually read make it stick fully. In the meantime I also worked through Cal Newports Deep Work (just like you, I just love this book) and the question came to mind if the recommended practice of interleaving your learning/retrieval sessions doesnt contradict Cal's idea of 100% focus on just 1 thing at a time being the gold standard? I recall him reasoning with attention residue that would detract from your success on this one task if you multitask or frequently jump from one topic to another. Whats your take on this, do we have a contradiction here? Or is Cal's approach geared more towards achieving new knowledge versus the make it stick method being more geared towards rehearsal? This conclusion just came to my mind typing this out in my own words and elaborating/reflecting on the stuff I learned...I guess I made something stick HA! :-)
The book recommends that you interleave different problems that are related to gain the skill of knowing when to apply one technique instead of other, this technique(interleaving) is also effective for the learner to see how the concepts connect with each other.
This same question came to my mind.
But I think we must focus on mastering one main skill like deep work and the one thing and do interleaving practice on the sub skills of that main skill. Because spaced repetition is always better to master any thing and avoid fluency effect.
please do one on relentless
hi brian is is totally adorable matter for student like me ..... thankyou.....salute you man........
+queen bawa Big smile and salute right back! :)
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Thanks a lot!!!
Hi Brian, my favorite big idea is that 1 - Fluency x Mastery... Now I know that I was just making effort to be familiar with the content and I was thinking that that effort was leading me to Mastery. Thank you so much for sharing your big ideas from another great book. God bless you.
+cristian cris Right on, Cristian!! :)
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Beautiful vid! Thanks for the great review! All of your vids are so explicit and amazing! This is just what I needed!
Would you consider reviewing:
Third Circle Theory: Purpose Through Observation
Book by Pejman Ghadimi
Much appreciation! Happy Holidays!!
+Alex Fregoo Thanks and thanks for the rec, Alex!!
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This is great information! The closer I return to school, the more I need to learn about learning. SupercalifragilisticIbesuchadopeGURU has done it again!
+Yehuda HaMaccabi :)
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I don't like the phrase "massed practice", nor do I like the word "interleave."
e1234 ... then how about “space it out”/“give it time” and “mix it up”
good video. guy's not up himself like some of these youtube wankers
Curveballllllll distract ing
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You are awesome! Thanks for explaining in an easy way! ❤
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Read this book if you plan on learning a language. Then ignore the advice the shysters here on youtube give for learning a language!!!