Max 's reaction (in Dutch) isn't translated as it should. In Dutch 'hij kan oprotten' means nothing more than 'he can sod off' or 'he can get lost'.. So saying he used the "F word" is adding drama to the discussion
well it comes from 'rotten' right? So a more literal translation would be 'He can rot (away, for all I care)' But no it is not the 'f' word. But what would be in Dutch?, I guess k** would come closest.
@@car0041 "oprotten" is a word which originated from the Amsterdam dialect. It just means "get out of here", "get out of my face" or something similar. Nothing to do with diseases or swearing.
The 10 second penalty for Lando was a consistent penalty, it's not for the driver to decide if the double yellow is for something serious or minor. It's a safety breach.
Exactly, it seems severe because of what caused it in this instance seems small but that’s not the point of the penalty. Any decent critical thinking person should know and accept why that’s the fair penalty.
Its one of those typical media tactics, to pretend something is harsh when its in fact simply the norm, thus as consistent as can be on that one. Words matter, and how one uses them. The media does not learn, they just double down.
So your argument about Norris is that they should wait till somebody causes a very serious accident by blatantly ignoring a double yellow and then consider bringing the maximum penalty? It's a safety thing and he knowingly ignored it, that should be the end of that discussion.
In all honesty, when you say: the stewards saw the mitigating circumstances and “only” gave max a 1 place grid penalty, makes no sense. They shouldn’t have given any penalty. And max didn’t say “f off”. He said translated: he can piss off. Terrible how you guys get these crucial details wrong. And you are suggesting max screwed Lando for asking GP to check for not lifting under double yellow. You guys are, without even knowing, totally biased.
The problem Max has with George is that he is two faced. Would George have called for a penalty outside of the stewards room then there wouldn’t have been a problem at all.
@@Maruman_man that is a penalty that is consistently giving out through any form motorsport. What is your point? That it's the same as arguing for a penalty to be newly invented?
We ask stewards for consistent penalty, Norris's penalty was consistent, so stop complaining about it! That's why British bias story keeps going on though!!!
And his team knew, so they chose to stay silent which meant he only got the actual penalty when it was a very tight field just after the SC restart which ended up with him in last postion. If they were smart they would have admitted it immediately and taken the penalty asap which would have given Lando the chance to move up a lot more after the SC restart. All that money and nobody around to think things through at McLaren it seems.
I find it very strange that u think this is not as serious but with double yellow , a Marshall can be walking on the circuit and it would be catastrophe. I'm shocked that they feel that it was not serious enuf . Double yellow is massively serious
@@w.nijssen2825 He was even told to overtake Max and Fernando, so Max going slowly in front of him should make that objective easier. He either was purposefully trying to set him up or wasn't paying attention.
Regardless of the cause, a double waved yellow must be respected by all driver given what it means. And Lando did not lift. There is no way for a driver to know why but that’s beside the point. So a double waved yellow is to be respected at all cost. And a sever penalty is fair.
Wasn't it just a 10s penalty for Lewis in 2021? Anyway, the standard penalty for running a double yellow in the race is a 10s stop and go. It's what's been applied any time it's happened in the last 10 years. Aren't we always asking for consistency? Also, you're talking about the race director deciding the penalty when that's not how it works, wtf?
No in 2021 it was a 10 second stop and go for both Mazepin and Latifi in Austria (changed to 30 seconds because it was given after the race). 2017 was a 10 second stop and go for Kimi Raikonnen at Spa. Ignoring Double waved yellow flags during a race. During qualifying it is a 5 place grid drop!
Firstly Lewis' penalty at Silverstone 2021 was only a 10 second penalty...so that definitely didn't fit the "crime". Lando's penalty I think was the right one cause other drivers in recent past years have received the same...rules are rules.
Inknownthw inference would be Max did a George but it's different. George was arguing before the stewards to get Max penalized whereas Max was inquiring from GP how Lando had suddenly closed the gap under the yellow flag. Two different incidents. Lando was dead to rights, he violated the double yellow flags rule. If Max was able to see them when he was well past the lights, surely as Stella said, it's the driver's responsibility to react. The penalty is as always been harsh for this infringement... What needs to be changed is perhaps the stop and go, maybe make it a drive through the pit lane penalty, but Lando was dead to rights to complain.
I don't think the fact that the FIA messed up and did not immediately deploy a VSC should affect the punishment for ignoring double waved yellows. The punishment is severe for security reasons, so fair imo. Consequences for breaking rules that are meant for safety reasons should not depend on context. Should drunk drivers get less punishment when they are caught driving at night on an empty road as well? The only problem here is that Lando should never have been put in a position to be able to break this rule in the first place.
When has not slowing for a double waved yellow not been a 10s stop go..? They actually nailed the Lando penalty. That’s consistent. You don’t lift under a double waved yellow then you get that penalty. Doesn’t matter the circumstances, because when it’s about safety it’s black & white. If it’s for a wing mirror, for a Marshall on track, or a loose tire, the driver doesn’t know why they just have to acknowledge the yellow for safety. Just as the penalty for speeding in the pit lane is a slam dunk penalty if they’re .05kph over the limit or if they’re 50kph over the limit. If it’s safety, they drop the hammer. They did it for Max at the same circuit in quali 2021. Deleted his lap & gave him penalty points for ignoring a double waved yellow.
The dispute between George and Max is not about the penalty. It's the difference in karakter that collided. Maybe some people have an issue with Max but you know always exactly how he is thinking. Straight in your face, no two face and no second agenda. Russel is more polished, political and has two faces. Max can't stand that. That's all. The penalty for Norris is too harsh. Norris made a mistake, but the judgement was not fair. That could have been (just) 5 or 10 secs...
Rules are rules! This penalty matches other penalties that were the exact same incident: ignoring double waved yellow flags! Mazepin and Latifi in 2021 Austria GP Raikonnen in 2017 Belgian GP.
Why are you acting like Lando’s penalty isn’t standard? Kimi 2017 Mazepin 2021 Latifi 2021 these were all 10 second stop goes for failing to lift under yellow. You’re trying to shed the bias tag…. Well why do you think Lando is special and doesn’t deserve a penalty that others before him have set the precedent as to what the punishment is.
If Max has to point out to GP Lambiase that Lando stayed full throttle during double yellow, then someone else isn’t doing his job, or perhaps is been told not to.
Correction: hamilton did NOT receive a 10 second stop go penalty at silverstone ‘21, he just received a 10 second penalty, which I still think is ridiculous. I agree lando’s penalty is very harsh, but you could argue that it should be because was negligence of safety which is a severe offense
I don't understand why u comparing apples and oranges . In 2017 and 21 , there is precedence that all 3 drivers got 10 sec stop go for the same exact reason
The difference between Lando and Max s incident is that Lando s incident was actually going trough double yellow full throttle. The penalty on that should however be 10 seconds and not a stop and go if you compare it to other incidents. In max his case no on ever have had a penalty for warm up laps Impeding each other . And it was obvious Russel was fishing for the penalty.
13:21 You make a grave error when comparing a racing incident with Silverstone 2021 and the Norris incident now. One is between two drivers, the other is a possible safety issue for personal on track who don't have a car around them.
And why do you forget that Alonso was just in front of Max in that turn, so yeah, i see Bias. Heck yea. Lando also ignored Yellow lights in Brazil. Safety breaches should carry a penalty. I agree it was harsh, drive-through would have been enough. As to Russel (The thinker), he planned this in a second. He saw max, he is not blind. We all know
That’s not where this penalty was applied. It was applied in Austria 2021 to Mazepin and Latifi. It was applied again in 2017 to Kimi Raikonnen at Spa.
In 2021 Austria GP, mazepin and latifi got the same penalty as Lando as they didn't slow down during the double yellow flags. The stewards did have the reference in this case.
The Norris thing to me is just as much on the Pitwall... McLaren still needs the points for constructor championship so they should've warned him as well. Max noticed Lando lifting but the pitwall didn't? Come on.....
I see Lando's penalty to be 2 penalties dealt in one, the one with violated start in Brazil, which he escaped, plus overspeeding under yellow, two in one and you get 10s stop & go, karma just took a nap
Double yellow is double yellow. These safety regulations are there for a reason. Drivers got blacked flagged because they overtake during a double yellow. And Lewis never got a 10 second stop and go. But a 10 second penalty. This is what we called British bias. Telling something that’s not true
If Red Bull were to drop Sergio Perez from the main team, who would replace him? Liam Lawson hasn't been living up to expectations, and I believe he's on the hotseat with no contract for next year. Helmut Marko said Yki Tsunoda isn't near ready for the main team. What other options do Red Bull have?
look, it's all fun and roses suggesting 5 seconds, 10 seconds or drive through penalties for going full throttle during double yellows...until you hit a marshal that's on track, or a piece of car and veer off and get yourself killed, or a car with engine issues. Until that point you can dribble comments about fairness and cry your woes out. After that point, what will you do? Safety penalties are different than sporting penalties. Aside from the very visible advantage you gain by going flat out while others lift (noticeable by everyone in this case, dozens of laps they were around 2 seconds from one another and all of a sudden that got reduced to 1, why Max was able to call it before even the gap times came in), let's say you do get a 10 seconds penalty, or a drive through, what then. Take another race where the double yellows are in a bunch of S bends, would you calculate then that's you could make it work by going full on and cancel the penalty after? No man, double yellows...there's no argument to be had there. As for the qualifying penalty that Max received, it comes across as you're not doing your due diligence as sporting journalists to analyze the full circumstances and just talking about the decision itself in abstract. What are we doing here, look at the telemetries of Max, Russel, Alonso, look at the entire warm up lap (Max's situation there was just before his pole lap so he's practically in the same position as Russel, if he could slow, why not Russel?), look at all the drivers that missed their deltas. If you'd done that and suggested let's say for the sprint quali where 15 or how many drivers where outside delta, that they all receive 1 grid penalties, then that would be fair. There's only so much that you can swim around talking points for filler content before you actually need to do present some data otherwise why should your opinions be valued by anyone, why should they not be called british bias (even though it's subconscious, that's what it comes across as)? I'm sure considering your profession, there should be money somewhere to create one F1 account where you can check all the data out and then come with data argumented segment. Is having a british accent and being well worded all that's required to be a sport journalist? I'm sure not and I'm sure you can do better
My initial thought was: 'Max must've had 'a moment' after seeing Lando closing the 1.7 something sec gap to a 1.1 something sec gap. I usually watch the left side of my screen when it's that close between 2 front drivers and since the camera wasn't pointed at Max and Lando when yellow appeared again..I truly thought Max made a mistake. But than it all became clear. Looking forward to Abu Dhabi!! ✌️🏎🏁❤️
Georgie boy made a huge mistake by annoying Max. He knew that he had the choice: give P1 back to Max in turn 1 or get finished. He is however a terrible backstabber. Puke
mclearen needs to learn there drivers the rules... in brasil he didnt know what wait stop and turn off your motor means ( red lights) and now dubble yellow flag means and that while they always knows when max is drives dangerous they plaid now the innecant driver (team)
Go and look at the penalty for drivers doing the same... 3 come to mind since 2017.. So your spend 10 minutes dribbling shit when you could of talked about 3 precedents.. Don't talk F1 if your memory is shit.. FIA was consistent ... now the poms cry ffs..
They shouldn't have taken the risk leaving a partly carbon mirror at the track, period. After puncture there's no way of knowing if a driver might crash because of it.
Lando gained more than 0.5 sec on the double yellow lap.Thats why Max asked his team to check if Lando lifted! Which is logical of course.Btw you forgot to mention that Alonso was right in front of Max during the warm-up(qualifiqation) lap ,thats why he had to slow down! Which happens all the time. Last weekend there were 17 drivers not making the delta time.And there was no further action by the FIA!
I don’t mind the penalty. Double yellow is a serious offense. Thing is that about 10 didn’t brake under the double yellows but they didn’t get penalized. That makes it seem that the fia was all to happy to hand lando the penalty and postpone the title battle with Ferrari to the last race. Feels too scripted once again.
The penalties that the FIA hands out are purely arbitrary when it comes to safety. They should have immediately flown the flag at that mirror and not waited until a driver drove over it? and lando must know that he has to take his foot off the gas at the yellow flag, but was there danger? no, he could see the situation clearly!
Lewis is not struggling other than the car that He has been given. It will all come out in the wash when He jumps into the Ferrari. Also, I am not even a Louis Fan, but I know BS when I see it. He is an amazing talent STILL.
Norris pen has precedent. 2021 Austrian GP with Mazepin and Latifi both not respecting double yellow. Same for Räïkkönen in 2017. So that was not unprecedented. So yes it was correct. And, remember, this is not a sporting penalty, but a safety penalty. Please read the regulations.
Flawed reasoning boys. Silverstone was regular 10s penalty. Not stop and go. Only ‘stop and go’ that happened in silverstone was red flag. 15 minutes of this video based on false information. Great.
Summary of Max P1 demotion misses that Max was slowing down because Alonso was breaking heavily in front of him --- and that Russell could see max slowing down but continued to steam through. Bad Penalty. But what a race for Max - 1.5 hours of excellence with extreme excellence at start and 3 safety starts. Lando deserves a penalty but 30s - wow - should have been 10s no drive through. He deserved a penalty but not 30s. FIA 3 mistakes. P1 demotion, too big a penalty for Lando, and waiting too long to clear debris. They should declare their errors and say that they are not precedent (but won't be reversed) and put it behind them.
I’m quite disappointed in the “Sir” aspect of Lewis! He is definitely not such a great sportsman as people and especially he himself always thought and pretended to be
I suspect from Horner's comments, they are hookn Checo steps down himself. I think there are financial implications if they fire him or that his bosses in Austria seem to want to keep him. So Helmut and Horner will present their case to the higher ups as to why they should release him.
lol, first stating “we are not biased” and then stating that in spite of double yellow and following the reg. the should read the GP and what not, comparing penalty instead of other double yellow panalties.. biased 🧐..
Max wouldn’t mind normally but this time, at the stewards room, must be very bad with the other two faced driver. And the Dutch have the heart on their sleeve. They will be honest what happened. No sugar coating if it’s really bad. And oprotten (Dutch) doesn’t mean F off! Bad translated. It means “sod off” Don’t make it worse, Max takes more care of his words in front of the camera 😉
FIA and team steward are pure woke. How else do we get these insane decisions? The hate for him is unreal and if he leaves I understand why he does..z F1 needs people who understand the sport and dont go woke.. Not people like Johnny Turdface and his buddy ben..
Wacky races l call it. Now we should have penalties for the stewards and FIA. George is cunning, he could draw up a contract whereby 3 inconsistent penalties means they have to clean MBS’s toilet for 6 months. And MBS’s penalty for failing to show accounts, excessive use of FIA funds means MBS has to clean the toilets of all the drivers, and engineers 😂😂
t was a warmup lap before push lap and all drivers keep on clean driving line to keep tires clean Fernado breaked Max saw that and also goes for 275 to 163 Km Georgde sees max does not break and then accusses him it is 100% George his fault and so even to screw someone over during stuards meeting is like the NSB er George is done!!! hastag NSB Geaorge!!!
I’m wondering what the FIA is up to lately. First, there’s the vague penalty for Max Verstappen-a single grid penalty. Then there’s Lando Norris: During the laps when the VSC (Virtual Safety Car) was active, it seemed at some point that the board wasn’t flashing as a yellow flag normally would. It just didn’t seem to be the case. Overall, the communication was extremely poor. This penalty isn’t just overly harsh, but it’s so ridiculous that I might as well start watching karting, because at least there they know how things should be done. This is supposed to be the highest level-how can this happen? And then we have Lewis Hamilton’s heavy penalty-there are no words for it. I’m not even a Lewis fan, but just recently he commented about not cutting corners or playing dirty and hoped Max wouldn’t do the same. It almost feels like anyone who speaks out gets penalized in the next race. I know this might sound like speculation, but it increasingly feels that way. And I completely agree with Lewis’s decision to retire the car. What’s the point in continuing and risking further damage?
Verstappen slowed dramatically to to try Norris intentionally, so it show a big gap change then reported him to the team immediately knowing his slow down might get Norris a penalty. What a mess by the FIA they ruined the race..
Even the commentator was shocked at how quickly Verstappen reported Norris then remarked, I’m sure there are many others that didn’t lift, Verstappen has a history of not lifting under yellows & gaining time under safety cars, he’s no fool, he knows how to play the rules..that’s why I like him, win by any angle you can.
Lando has already admitted that he was at fault and that he would have screwed others if he could have. Just as he did for Lewis driving too fast in the pit lane. But then again Lando accelerated himself, but that was after the measurement point
Formula one, now is more about time penalties then about racing , next year all the drivers are sitting at home , and we see them racing on the simulator, to much rules,
Max 's reaction (in Dutch) isn't translated as it should. In Dutch 'hij kan oprotten' means nothing more than 'he can sod off' or 'he can get lost'.. So saying he used the "F word" is adding drama to the discussion
well it comes from 'rotten' right? So a more literal translation would be 'He can rot (away, for all I care)' But no it is not the 'f' word. But what would be in Dutch?, I guess k** would come closest.
Oprotten=go away ! ! !
The presentator is more towards the truth than the reporter.
@@car0041 "oprotten" is a word which originated from the Amsterdam dialect. It just means "get out of here", "get out of my face" or something similar. Nothing to do with diseases or swearing.
Oprotten can also be “get out of my sight and stay there” not F off!
The 10 second penalty for Lando was a consistent penalty, it's not for the driver to decide if the double yellow is for something serious or minor. It's a safety breach.
Exactly, it seems severe because of what caused it in this instance seems small but that’s not the point of the penalty. Any decent critical thinking person should know and accept why that’s the fair penalty.
Exactly!!!
Remember Brazil.. sketching of an aborted start.. oops 5000$?
Also Lewis received a 10 second penalty, not a 10 second stop go but these guys are absolute morons
Its one of those typical media tactics, to pretend something is harsh when its in fact simply the norm, thus as consistent as can be on that one. Words matter, and how one uses them. The media does not learn, they just double down.
So your argument about Norris is that they should wait till somebody causes a very serious accident by blatantly ignoring a double yellow and then consider bringing the maximum penalty? It's a safety thing and he knowingly ignored it, that should be the end of that discussion.
He even admitted the penalty was fair, it’s only the British press trying to claim otherwise
In all honesty, when you say: the stewards saw the mitigating circumstances and “only” gave max a 1 place grid penalty, makes no sense. They shouldn’t have given any penalty. And max didn’t say “f off”. He said translated: he can piss off. Terrible how you guys get these crucial details wrong. And you are suggesting max screwed Lando for asking GP to check for not lifting under double yellow. You guys are, without even knowing, totally biased.
The invented the penalty against Max how is that justified. Max has every right to be mad at George
didn't fraudstappen report lando for yellowflag infringement ?
@@Maruman_man its the difference , when you create a dangerous situation to get others penalized . Russel was going for it on purpose .
The problem Max has with George is that he is two faced. Would George have called for a penalty outside of the stewards room then there wouldn’t have been a problem at all.
@@Maruman_man that is a penalty that is consistently giving out through any form motorsport. What is your point? That it's the same as arguing for a penalty to be newly invented?
@@Maruman_mandidn’t two face Lando not the same Max only playback hè never start things but go on hate a man for no reason sad person
We ask stewards for consistent penalty, Norris's penalty was consistent, so stop complaining about it! That's why British bias story keeps going on though!!!
Lando being silent after he received the message about his punishment, tells all. He knew it was his fault.....
And his team knew, so they chose to stay silent which meant he only got the actual penalty when it was a very tight field just after the SC restart which ended up with him in last postion. If they were smart they would have admitted it immediately and taken the penalty asap which would have given Lando the chance to move up a lot more after the SC restart. All that money and nobody around to think things through at McLaren it seems.
I find it very strange that u think this is not as serious but with double yellow , a Marshall can be walking on the circuit and it would be catastrophe. I'm shocked that they feel that it was not serious enuf . Double yellow is massively serious
George Russel was warned over the radio by his engineer about the traffic in front of him. It was a set up from Russel.
Sneaky Boy George.
@@w.nijssen2825 He was even told to overtake Max and Fernando, so Max going slowly in front of him should make that objective easier. He either was purposefully trying to set him up or wasn't paying attention.
Regardless of the cause, a double waved yellow must be respected by all driver given what it means. And Lando did not lift. There is no way for a driver to know why but that’s beside the point. So a double waved yellow is to be respected at all cost. And a sever penalty is fair.
Wasn't it just a 10s penalty for Lewis in 2021? Anyway, the standard penalty for running a double yellow in the race is a 10s stop and go. It's what's been applied any time it's happened in the last 10 years. Aren't we always asking for consistency? Also, you're talking about the race director deciding the penalty when that's not how it works, wtf?
Yeah..should have been a stop go....
It was just 10s. Mercedes made a pitstop serving that one
No in 2021 it was a 10 second stop and go for both Mazepin and Latifi in Austria (changed to 30 seconds because it was given after the race). 2017 was a 10 second stop and go for Kimi Raikonnen at Spa. Ignoring Double waved yellow flags during a race. During qualifying it is a 5 place grid drop!
Firstly Lewis' penalty at Silverstone 2021 was only a 10 second penalty...so that definitely didn't fit the "crime".
Lando's penalty I think was the right one cause other drivers in recent past years have received the same...rules are rules.
Inknownthw inference would be Max did a George but it's different. George was arguing before the stewards to get Max penalized whereas Max was inquiring from GP how Lando had suddenly closed the gap under the yellow flag. Two different incidents.
Lando was dead to rights, he violated the double yellow flags rule. If Max was able to see them when he was well past the lights, surely as Stella said, it's the driver's responsibility to react. The penalty is as always been harsh for this infringement... What needs to be changed is perhaps the stop and go, maybe make it a drive through the pit lane penalty, but Lando was dead to rights to complain.
I don't think the fact that the FIA messed up and did not immediately deploy a VSC should affect the punishment for ignoring double waved yellows. The punishment is severe for security reasons, so fair imo. Consequences for breaking rules that are meant for safety reasons should not depend on context. Should drunk drivers get less punishment when they are caught driving at night on an empty road as well? The only problem here is that Lando should never have been put in a position to be able to break this rule in the first place.
When has not slowing for a double waved yellow not been a 10s stop go..?
They actually nailed the Lando penalty. That’s consistent. You don’t lift under a double waved yellow then you get that penalty. Doesn’t matter the circumstances, because when it’s about safety it’s black & white. If it’s for a wing mirror, for a Marshall on track, or a loose tire, the driver doesn’t know why they just have to acknowledge the yellow for safety. Just as the penalty for speeding in the pit lane is a slam dunk penalty if they’re .05kph over the limit or if they’re 50kph over the limit. If it’s safety, they drop the hammer. They did it for Max at the same circuit in quali 2021. Deleted his lap & gave him penalty points for ignoring a double waved yellow.
The dispute between George and Max is not about the penalty. It's the difference in karakter that collided. Maybe some people have an issue with Max but you know always exactly how he is thinking. Straight in your face, no two face and no second agenda. Russel is more polished, political and has two faces. Max can't stand that. That's all. The penalty for Norris is too harsh. Norris made a mistake, but the judgement was not fair. That could have been (just) 5 or 10 secs...
Rules are rules! This penalty matches other penalties that were the exact same incident: ignoring double waved yellow flags!
Mazepin and Latifi in 2021 Austria GP
Raikonnen in 2017 Belgian GP.
Why are you acting like Lando’s penalty isn’t standard? Kimi 2017 Mazepin 2021 Latifi 2021 these were all 10 second stop goes for failing to lift under yellow. You’re trying to shed the bias tag…. Well why do you think Lando is special and doesn’t deserve a penalty that others before him have set the precedent as to what the punishment is.
If Max has to point out to GP Lambiase that Lando stayed full throttle during double yellow, then someone else isn’t doing his job, or perhaps is been told not to.
Correction: hamilton did NOT receive a 10 second stop go penalty at silverstone ‘21, he just received a 10 second penalty, which I still think is ridiculous.
I agree lando’s penalty is very harsh, but you could argue that it should be because was negligence of safety which is a severe offense
Correction: 2021 Austria GP Latifi and Mazepin for ignoring the double waved yellow flags.
2017 Kimi Raikonnen in Belgium GP
I don't understand why u comparing apples and oranges . In 2017 and 21 , there is precedence that all 3 drivers got 10 sec stop go for the same exact reason
The difference between Lando and Max s incident is that Lando s incident was actually going trough double yellow full throttle. The penalty on that should however be 10 seconds and not a stop and go if you compare it to other incidents. In max his case no on ever have had a penalty for warm up laps Impeding each other . And it was obvious Russel was fishing for the penalty.
Double waved yellow breach is a stop go
13:21 You make a grave error when comparing a racing incident with Silverstone 2021 and the Norris incident now.
One is between two drivers, the other is a possible safety issue for personal on track who don't have a car around them.
Hamilton only got a 10 second penalty at silverstone 2021 not 10 second stop and go
And why do you forget that Alonso was just in front of Max in that turn, so yeah, i see Bias. Heck yea. Lando also ignored Yellow lights in Brazil. Safety breaches should carry a penalty. I agree it was harsh, drive-through would have been enough. As to Russel (The thinker), he planned this in a second. He saw max, he is not blind. We all know
Hamilton only received a 10 second panelty during the Silverstone 2021 race. Not a drive through!
And was allowed to fix his car during the red flag
That’s not where this penalty was applied. It was applied in Austria 2021 to Mazepin and Latifi.
It was applied again in 2017 to Kimi Raikonnen at Spa.
In 2021 Austria GP, mazepin and latifi got the same penalty as Lando as they didn't slow down during the double yellow flags. The stewards did have the reference in this case.
The Norris thing to me is just as much on the Pitwall... McLaren still needs the points for constructor championship so they should've warned him as well. Max noticed Lando lifting but the pitwall didn't? Come on.....
I see Lando's penalty to be 2 penalties dealt in one, the one with violated start in Brazil, which he escaped, plus overspeeding under yellow, two in one and you get 10s stop & go, karma just took a nap
Double yellow is double yellow. These safety regulations are there for a reason. Drivers got blacked flagged because they overtake during a double yellow. And Lewis never got a 10 second stop and go. But a 10 second penalty. This is what we called British bias. Telling something that’s not true
Well, yeah, but Lando is also British, so shouldn't he get the Blue-pasport discount as well?
It was Albans
Williams car that the rear view mirror fokked off the car and landed on the pit straight
Get it right
In Silverstone 2021, Lewis only got a straight 10 sec penalty.
Kimi 2017 Maz and Lattifi 😂😂😂 same
Way lighter than a 5 sec stop and go within 2 laps.
Pffff you just showed what is meant with british bias, even without true punishment.. lewis didnt have a stop and go.
If Red Bull were to drop Sergio Perez from the main team, who would replace him? Liam Lawson hasn't been living up to expectations, and I believe he's on the hotseat with no contract for next year. Helmut Marko said Yki Tsunoda isn't near ready for the main team. What other options do Red Bull have?
Double yellow..people on track. So, yes, it is very justified.
look, it's all fun and roses suggesting 5 seconds, 10 seconds or drive through penalties for going full throttle during double yellows...until you hit a marshal that's on track, or a piece of car and veer off and get yourself killed, or a car with engine issues. Until that point you can dribble comments about fairness and cry your woes out. After that point, what will you do? Safety penalties are different than sporting penalties. Aside from the very visible advantage you gain by going flat out while others lift (noticeable by everyone in this case, dozens of laps they were around 2 seconds from one another and all of a sudden that got reduced to 1, why Max was able to call it before even the gap times came in), let's say you do get a 10 seconds penalty, or a drive through, what then. Take another race where the double yellows are in a bunch of S bends, would you calculate then that's you could make it work by going full on and cancel the penalty after? No man, double yellows...there's no argument to be had there. As for the qualifying penalty that Max received, it comes across as you're not doing your due diligence as sporting journalists to analyze the full circumstances and just talking about the decision itself in abstract. What are we doing here, look at the telemetries of Max, Russel, Alonso, look at the entire warm up lap (Max's situation there was just before his pole lap so he's practically in the same position as Russel, if he could slow, why not Russel?), look at all the drivers that missed their deltas. If you'd done that and suggested let's say for the sprint quali where 15 or how many drivers where outside delta, that they all receive 1 grid penalties, then that would be fair. There's only so much that you can swim around talking points for filler content before you actually need to do present some data otherwise why should your opinions be valued by anyone, why should they not be called british bias (even though it's subconscious, that's what it comes across as)? I'm sure considering your profession, there should be money somewhere to create one F1 account where you can check all the data out and then come with data argumented segment. Is having a british accent and being well worded all that's required to be a sport journalist? I'm sure not and I'm sure you can do better
My initial thought was: 'Max must've had 'a moment' after seeing Lando closing the 1.7 something sec gap to a 1.1 something sec gap.
I usually watch the left side of my screen when it's that close between 2 front drivers and since the camera wasn't pointed at Max and Lando when yellow appeared again..I truly thought Max made a mistake. But than it all became clear.
Looking forward to Abu Dhabi!! ✌️🏎🏁❤️
Consistency.. why didnt norris get a penalty for the aborted start infringement..
Georgie boy made a huge mistake by annoying Max. He knew that he had the choice: give P1 back to Max in turn 1 or get finished. He is however a terrible backstabber. Puke
mclearen needs to learn there drivers the rules... in brasil he didnt know what wait stop and turn off your motor means ( red lights) and now dubble yellow flag means and that while they always knows when max is drives dangerous they plaid now the innecant driver (team)
There is no excuse for ignoring a double yellow. Penalty is deserved. He isn't the first and won't be the last to get a penalty for that.
Go and look at the penalty for drivers doing the same... 3 come to mind since 2017.. So your spend 10 minutes dribbling shit when you could of talked about 3 precedents.. Don't talk F1 if your memory is shit.. FIA was consistent ... now the poms cry ffs..
There is no concrete evidence that the punctures were caused by the debris on track. It could of been the kerbs
If I had a nickel for every puncture shortly after the mirror incident ...
They shouldn't have taken the risk leaving a partly carbon mirror at the track, period.
After puncture there's no way of knowing if a driver might crash because of it.
Lando gained more than 0.5 sec on the double yellow lap.Thats why Max asked his team to check if Lando lifted! Which is logical of course.Btw you forgot to mention that Alonso was right in front of Max during the warm-up(qualifiqation) lap ,thats why he had to slow down! Which happens all the time. Last weekend there were 17 drivers not making the delta time.And there was no further action by the FIA!
I don’t mind the penalty. Double yellow is a serious offense.
Thing is that about 10 didn’t brake under the double yellows but they didn’t get penalized.
That makes it seem that the fia was all to happy to hand lando the penalty and postpone the title battle with Ferrari to the last race. Feels too scripted once again.
The penalties that the FIA hands out are purely arbitrary when it comes to safety. They should have immediately flown the flag at that mirror and not waited until a driver drove over it? and lando must know that he has to take his foot off the gas at the yellow flag, but was there danger? no, he could see the situation clearly!
Why is this powerful stuff? When someone is a rat, you say "he is a rat'. That's not powerful, that's being blunt thus being Dutch.
Lewis is not struggling other than the car that He has been given. It will all come out in the wash when He jumps into the Ferrari. Also, I am not even a Louis Fan, but I know BS when I see it. He is an amazing talent STILL.
Norris pen has precedent. 2021 Austrian GP with Mazepin and Latifi both not respecting double yellow. Same for Räïkkönen in 2017. So that was not unprecedented. So yes it was correct.
And, remember, this is not a sporting penalty, but a safety penalty.
Please read the regulations.
Flawed reasoning boys.
Silverstone was regular 10s penalty. Not stop and go.
Only ‘stop and go’ that happened in silverstone was red flag.
15 minutes of this video based on false information. Great.
Summary of Max P1 demotion misses that Max was slowing down because Alonso was breaking heavily in front of him --- and that Russell could see max slowing down but continued to steam through. Bad Penalty. But what a race for Max - 1.5 hours of excellence with extreme excellence at start and 3 safety starts.
Lando deserves a penalty but 30s - wow - should have been 10s no drive through. He deserved a penalty but not 30s.
FIA 3 mistakes. P1 demotion, too big a penalty for Lando, and waiting too long to clear debris. They should declare their errors and say that they are not precedent (but won't be reversed) and put it behind them.
I’m quite disappointed in the “Sir” aspect of Lewis! He is definitely not such a great sportsman as people and especially he himself always thought and pretended to be
All I missed was penalty points on Lando his license!
Formula 1 has to leave FIA and take control on regulations and stewards with payed professionals.
Then they can not Formula 1 anymore because thats owned by the FIA.
Hamilton only got 10 seconds for the british gp in 21. Lando should have been geven the same. The penalty was to big in this instance. To little in 21
I suspect from Horner's comments, they are hookn Checo steps down himself. I think there are financial implications if they fire him or that his bosses in Austria seem to want to keep him. So Helmut and Horner will present their case to the higher ups as to why they should release him.
Toto not biased? McLaren mercedes for the constructor title?
Russell is such a waste of space and Mercedes will be in real trouble come next season.
Oh yes and I think it was Albon's mirror that fell off and Bottas was the driver who eventually drove over it.
Well, look at that. Suddenly "severity" is a thing?
Is this the British RN365 Chanel??????? Oh…….wright!!😢
lol, first stating “we are not biased” and then stating that in spite of double yellow and following the reg. the should read the GP and what not, comparing penalty instead of other double yellow panalties.. biased 🧐..
Toto says brutal.. yep.. mercedes engine.
It was albons mirror
Max wouldn’t mind normally but this time, at the stewards room, must be very bad with the other two faced driver. And the Dutch have the heart on their sleeve. They will be honest what happened. No sugar coating if it’s really bad. And oprotten (Dutch) doesn’t mean F off! Bad translated. It means “sod off” Don’t make it worse, Max takes more care of his words in front of the camera 😉
FIA and team steward are pure woke. How else do we get these insane decisions? The hate for him is unreal and if he leaves I understand why he does..z
F1 needs people who understand the sport and dont go woke.. Not people like Johnny Turdface and his buddy ben..
Wacky races l call it. Now we should have penalties for the stewards and FIA. George is cunning, he could draw up a contract whereby 3 inconsistent penalties means they have to clean MBS’s toilet for 6 months. And MBS’s penalty for failing to show accounts, excessive use of FIA funds means MBS has to clean the toilets of all the drivers, and engineers 😂😂
t was a warmup lap before push lap and all drivers keep on clean driving line to keep tires clean Fernado breaked Max saw that and also goes for 275 to 163 Km Georgde sees max does not break and then accusses him it is 100% George his fault and so even to screw someone over during stuards meeting is like the NSB er George is done!!! hastag NSB Geaorge!!!
NSB'er 😂
I’m wondering what the FIA is up to lately.
First, there’s the vague penalty for Max Verstappen-a single grid penalty.
Then there’s Lando Norris:
During the laps when the VSC (Virtual Safety Car) was active, it seemed at some point that the board wasn’t flashing as a yellow flag normally would. It just didn’t seem to be the case. Overall, the communication was extremely poor.
This penalty isn’t just overly harsh, but it’s so ridiculous that I might as well start watching karting, because at least there they know how things should be done. This is supposed to be the highest level-how can this happen?
And then we have Lewis Hamilton’s heavy penalty-there are no words for it. I’m not even a Lewis fan, but just recently he commented about not cutting corners or playing dirty and hoped Max wouldn’t do the same. It almost feels like anyone who speaks out gets penalized in the next race.
I know this might sound like speculation, but it increasingly feels that way.
And I completely agree with Lewis’s decision to retire the car. What’s the point in continuing and risking further damage?
Brits crying again ffs!!! Grow up people!😂
LOL😂
Verstappen slowed dramatically to to try Norris intentionally, so it show a big gap change then reported him to the team immediately knowing his slow down might get Norris a penalty. What a mess by the FIA they ruined the race..
Why he is 4 x WDC he knows the rules, looked in the mirror and knew lando didn't lift 😂😂😂. Why he didn't jump start in Brazil..
Nothing dramatic about his deceleration, just lifted and Norris was caught napping.
This is completely false. Max slowed down a normal amount for the double yellows while Norris didn’t slow at all
Even the commentator was shocked at how quickly Verstappen reported Norris then remarked, I’m sure there are many others that didn’t lift, Verstappen has a history of not lifting under yellows & gaining time under safety cars, he’s no fool, he knows how to play the rules..that’s why I like him, win by any angle you can.
Lando has already admitted that he was at fault and that he would have screwed others if he could have. Just as he did for Lewis driving too fast in the pit lane. But then again Lando accelerated himself, but that was after the measurement point
Formula one, now is more about time penalties then about racing , next year all the drivers are sitting at home , and we see them racing on the simulator, to much rules,