He even went on record saying he lost all respect for Russell as he never felt anyone tried to screw him over like George did... Bad form George, bad form.
Russel playing rat games outside of the track. Max hated his two faced hypocrisy. Told George: I'll take back the position in Turn 1. And he did. What an absolute legend.
I always look forward to Peter's analysis; he's kind, fair, supports the sport and the drivers who deserve support and calls out people who deserve to be called out. He also brings the history of the sport to life, for those of us who might have missed it. Thank you, Peter.
You hit the nail on the head that time! If there's anybody in F1 I'd love to have a weekly round of golf followed by a couple beers it would be Peter. His stories are golden. It feels like he's met everyone that's raced in the last 50 years, and his unique insights are a treasure.
The way the stewards/race director/FIA handled the mirror situation was completely ridiculous, but there is no excuse for Lando regarding his penalty. The rules are there and are - in this case - as clear as day. He failed to spot both the light and the double waved flags which meant he had to lift off, and the penalty for not lifting off is a stop and go penalty. An unfortunate mistake, but a mistake nonetheless and so he had to face the penalty for it.
@@wreagfeI said the RULES are clear as day, which is that failing to slow down for double waved yellows result in a time penalty. Whether you think the rule should exist or not is a separate matter, but the fact is those are the rules, as acknowledged by Norris and McLaren themselves. Also acknowledged by Norris and McLaren is that he failed to come off the throttle for those double waved yellows and thus broke the rules that exist. For breaking those rules there is a defined penalty which Lando received. McLaren (and Sky Sports) don't like the rule as it is written, and think there should be more flexibility and circumstances should come into it, which is absolutely a reasonable view to have, but they acknowledge that right now the rule exists as it does and there can be no complaint. It was a silly and unnecessary mistake for Lando to make.
You could possibly forgive Norris for not spotting the lights as they were not working properly, nor were they working on his wheel indicator - another FIA screw-up (the Sky feed actually showed a different lap to the one that Norris was penalised for). But yes he did miss the actual waved flags, which is on him. Not so clear cut considering others have had lesser penalties for similar infringements within last couple of years. Was penalty deserved? Yes. Was the penalty consistent with previous infringements? No (which is what really infuriates us fans!).
@@MrArchie800consistency is always a frustrating issue in any sport. In the case of Lando's penalty you would think given there is a fixed rule, and a fixed penalty, regarding slowing through double waved yellows that this would be something they could get right 100% of the time.
Mostly agree with your analysis except for one issue: Lando did not drop speed at the first yellow flag (Max noted that immediately) and the fuzz with the green, yellow happened after Lando's error. In my opinion was the penalty justified .
I saw an interview with Max after the race, and he was very negative about George, without using his name. Pretty much called him a two-faced hypocrite who behaves totally differently before the camera than behind the screens, and that he was just blowing up that situation in an attempt to get Max a penalty. He said he cannot respect George anymore. I have never seen Max talk about another driver like that, I would love to have been a fly on the wall in that stewarts office. Max has a lot of flaws, but he tends to be brutally honest. And he holds a grudge, I wouldn't want to be in Russel's shoes now.
Just a note on the restart.... Max was confused as the safety car lights weren't working. He couldn't get a clear answer so wasn't sure if to go or not hence Lando getting close to him.
Lando still got it. No troubles there as drivers with race IQ go well together and respect the craft and each other. I have a suspicion this wouldn't have gone well with George at all.
@@wreagfe Wrong. Exactly the opposite. Means Lando doesn't have it and never had it. The lights on the safety car are there for safety. Norris does not care about safety, he only cares about screwing others over.
Fully agreed Peter. People underestimate the consistency and resistance to stress Max conveyed being continuously 1.8-2.3 seconds ahead. Many others that we consider elite talents (Charles, Lando) have made mistakes in those situations. Max is simply flawless in those situations. Amazin'!
@@wreagfe that is what I felt as well several times from 2021 onwards. However, other drivers were also comfortable in that range this race. I miss the old F1 cars when they could attack all the time. A pass felt like a pass back then
Well Peter, If Verstappen noticed the yellow on the straight, then there was no excuse for Lando not to spot it. Verstappen even said on the radio Norris was speeding under yellow. No excuse whatsoever for speeding under yellow and the penalty was according to the rules.
@Mr42960 maybe just the amount of punishment? The offense was blatant. I don't know if the 10s stop and go is a minimum penalty for that offense though.
@@mpolinsk22Iirc the FIA addressed the topic a few races ago and said they would give harsher penalties (and still be strict) for safety infractions. So Norris got made an example on the technicality, it wasn't really unsafe.
A complete shambles by the FIA, all weekend IMO. What is actually going on with them?! We were robbed of a great second half of the race and it all stemmed from their hesitation over the discarded mirror from Albon's car. Max was outstanding, yet again.
Yes Peter I was shouting at the tele when the wing mirror came off on the straight…VSC VSC before everyone starts picking up punctures! and as you say in the old days I remember Marshall’s diving out and picking up debris from the tracks😅 Think the whole FIA needs an overhaul with some of their recent performances.
I never miss your videos awesome awesome contribution Peter as always. Respectfully I wouldn’t say George was disparaging the Pirelli Hard tyre itself but the choice to go to the hard tyre
One positive of the race is that the gravel traps certainly did their jobs. Prevented drivers from taking advantage of track limits as well as made for good self policing wheel to wheel racing.
I respect Peter’s old school mentality regarding the penalty. Personally, I liked it because it did feel like Karma. But, if I was trying to be just and be consistent with current penalty standards, it should have been no penalty for Max and 5-10s penalty for Lando. But then, inconsistency is the only consistency we have from the stewards.
Ignoring yellow flags is a serious safety breach, so I'm glad it was penalized seriously. People have died for those rules to be created, they should be taken seriously. The rules could probably use a little bit of leniency, but I wouldnt go lighter than a drivethrough. More than the penalty itself, it hurt Norris that he had to serve it after a safety car. And Lando had already gotten away with safety breaches in Austin.
In this case there is actually a set penalty for ignoring double yellow. So for once the stewards did it right ( regardless of it feeling harsh , but feelings should never be a part in rulings )
What I like most about Max is that he's driving like he didn't just win his 4th title. If you didn't know any better you would think he was still fighting for the championship with the way he took the penalty personal and how he was defending. A lot of other drivers would've just let it go and relax knowing they already won the championship.
This race...Max deserved to win, it's everything else. They let everyone run by the debris for a couple laps and what happened was exactly we were all afraid of. And then, even if Lando deserved a penalty - a 10 second Stop-Go? It's extreme.
Either insane or British. You fail to understand that F1 is a dangerous sport. People die. We now have safety measures that prevent a lot of deaths. Norris disregards the safety rules. Not lifting under double yellow has been a ten second stop and go for far longer than Verstappen and Norris have been on the grid.
Lando completely ignored a double yellow mind you. He kept full throttle the whole straight. I mean, you can’t ignore that. The penalty was too harsh no doubt. But ignoring a double yellow completely is always a penalty
It's not too harsh, it's not getting an advantage leaving the track or something like that, it was a direct break of safety rules and procedures, the penalty is given in according to that, and lewis' penalty of drive thru the same, speeding in the pit lane, safety impediment.
I didn't think George was complaining about pirelli. He seemed mad that he wasn't going onto the medium which would have been a faster tire. This is from a straight up George hater.😅
Landos penalty was 100% deserved. Double yellow you have to lift, he did none of that and used DRS he picked up from a back marker. At one point he was 70kph faster than Max during it because he liftiled all the way down the straight. Both Mazapin and Nico got the same penalty in seasons past.
There used to be a video on TH-cam of a marshall running across the track during a race. He got cut in half. That's why they don't allow them on track anymore and why the yellow flag violation is taken so seriously.
Thats an old incident and marshalls have been going onto the track to remove debris for decades after that incident took place. That incident didn't directly lead to the protocol where marshals can't go onto the track anymore
Peter, I would really love to bigger audience find out about your excellency in analysis and pov. Therefore, please, help algorithms to help you (and me). Cut such a long ending of your videos. I highly doubt if you check retention graph to see people watch till the very last seconds. And when they don't you lose a lot in terms reach. Please, council your channel editor or Cameron or me to restructure a bit your clips. They are lovely, just wish more people join you. Thank you for understanding🙏
About Lewis, I think there is a lot we don't know. The dynamic between Lewis, Totto and Mercedes is totally ruined. Let’s wait until next year. We will know then, when Lewis can talk freely. Something is going on.
@@MrVictorTimely Hamilton still has it. He maybe a tenth or two slower than his prime. But, it is still better than most. He won 2 races this year and was by far the quickest n the last race. Same story for Alonso. But, he just can’t get a good car.
Alonso already said it: Hamilton can only drive as a number one. Lewis can perform. He can also be entirely turned off and blaming the whole team. Leclerc beat Vettel, next year will be a repeat.
11:20 ?? Peter, how much of an effort does pirelli make if they have the monopoly? lulz...I wish Michelin was the official tire supplier for F1...they make great tires for WEC
“Tattletale”. Hilarious. Max was seemingly just salty that George pointed out that Max broke the rules. Which is exactly what Max did to Lando at COTA and Qatar. Likes to dish it out with the rules but doesn’t like it when someone does it to him.
@@gameofender4463 Imo Max only does this as a reaction on someone else trying to Bs him. And Yesterday it was Russel who woke up the Lion in Max, and then everybody has to duck for cover.
@@gameofender4463 if everyone was penalized for what Max did, we‘d have 15+ drivers every single weekend getting grid drops and points added to their license. What he was furious about was George exploiting the situation by coming up too fast behind him instead of just slowing down and then pitching it to the stewards like this was unheard of maliciously intended impeding by Max to get a P1 he didn‘t deserve. Funny how George got crushed in T1, as everyone does when head to head with Max. Maybe George should try pitching for a pitlane start penalty next time around?
Administrative messes is a great characterization of the weekend. The FIA should be ashamed of themselves and it is hard to blame the new Race Director who was thrown to the wolves via MBS of the FIA. But not calling a Safety Car with the mirror on the track led to some punctures so it was a ridiculous non-call at the time. Wake up FIA, you have a sport where a great portion of the conversations is regarding Stewards, Race Directors and their poor decision making.
atleast max is honest in his interviews he says and acts like he really is. Russel on the other hand is a snake. i can understand that max lost all respect for him.
Max got a 3 place gridpenalty for ignoring double yellows (I believe in Mexico some year ago, not sure) and lost pole position so why should Lando not get a penalty for ignoring yellow flags? He has to pay attention, Max saw him coming very close all of a sudden so he knew Lando didn’t lift
Erm Lewis hit debris and ran a whole lap with a puncture. Yes he wasn’t in contention for the win but you can’t talk about him finishing 12th without mentioning why…
If they would quit trying to hit Max with the rulebook we could have consistency back. Actually I feel the stewards handled the race itself quite right. When the mirror came off they should have brought out the safety car immediately with a route through the pits. Don't know if the mirror is the only piece of debris.
Although the penalty was too harsh, Lando did destroy Max's well managed undercut window of almost 2 seconds, gaining some 0.6 seconds by not lifting when Max did lift at the double yellow. Of course Max was surpirsed and reported it. Lando suddenly was close to a DRS distance.
That mirror could've, should've, been removed, whole, within one VSC lap. I could've done it at my age. At a stroll. Race director shot himself in the foot there.
It was a double yellow where Norris did not lift. Potentially a driver exiting his vehicle or something similar. They are always tough on those moments. Strange Norris pit did not tell him to lift
Oh, and let us not forget Norris also forgot in Brazil that the race start was aborted. Drivers do not know why. There could be things on track. Norris got off without penalties there. That should have been a huge penalty as well.
I'm proud to say that I was way ahead of the curve on George. I started calling him Eddie Haskell while he was still at Williams for his 2 side persona. Choirboy when a camera or microphone is within earshot, but a petty nark behind closed doors. Yabba Dabba Doo
Double waved yellow on the straight...Lando made a mistake simple. And penalties are hard for double waved yellow. I see nothing wrong with that....just his own stupid fault. (Mazepin had the same penalty in 2021) Max also told the press he lost all respect for George after the race during the press conference when asked about yesterday and the penalty he got.
After Norris ignore the double yellow, the cap shrunk to 1.2 sec and 3 laps later it was back at 2 second and he even continues pushing because they were both nearing the end of their stints...
Max is done with Goerge and doesn't want to do anything with a snake (George) like that ever again. He never saw another driver trying to screw someone over that bad in his driver history. If Max Goose to Merc, Goerge is history! he made his biggest mistake in his F1 career.
Thankyou Peter for your analysis. Im currently away from TV coverage and I find between the 10 min highlights reel and your reviews, analysis and opinions Im getting my F1 fix. In fact im starting to question why I bother with the TV coverage at all.
Max kept the gap where he was comfortable. When Lando got close keeping it flat out under double yellow, Max just out the gap right back to 2 seconds to avoid the undercut. The Max stretched it even more before pittinng. Max yet again shoving the FIA bigotry right down their throats. All while schooling George!
Why should Lando have been excused for not slowing under yellow? It's a clear cut rule, and Lando failed to abide by it. If you go too fast in the pit lane, you get penalized - it's the exact same thing. Stop looking for "mitigating circumstances" for Norris. Lando screwed up, simple as that.
Verstappen's pole penalty was unjust, the penalty for Norris and Lewis were just, yet they should have been regular time penalties and not drive throughs. MBS fired the wrong people!
Lando deserved a penalty. He even said so himself. But the magnitude of the penalty was harsh: I think most people, even his competitors, have said so. Especially considering the mess they made of sorting out the debris in the first place but actually having a penalty is correct. Race management poor. Max didn't deserve the pointless grid penalty. It didn't make much sense to most involved. And I'm not a fan but I just thought a mild non-race impacting reprimand would have been sufficient. IndyCar can teach F1 a thing or two as their recent management of incidents and penalties has been very proportional, consistent and fair. It's almost like Indy has that in common with rugby where the official's view is respected but F1 is like football where any penalties results in legions of arm waving, wailing and gnashing of teeth and they're inconsistent.
lol they’re already here, the fan hivemind “actually I never liked George” “I never trusted him!” “Politician George!” Etc etc… You don’t have to mirror everything your favorite drivers says, being a fan is about supporting a driver. There’s like 2 comments here talking about how good max was and the rest are all complaining about the ethics and morality of George Russel…
That's because Russell is a snake 🐍. Going back to the porpoising time when Mercedes in particular was having mega problems, remember old man Ham climbing out of the car, Russell was lying his head off complaining saying everybody was having problems, forcing the Fia to put out td 39 .......
One of the rare cases when I disagree with you Peter, Lando absolutely deserved to be penalized, Max lifted, everyone else on track lifted, only Lando flatfooted it through that safety zone and past a solid yellow light and two yellow flags that were hanging out into the track. Also, you failed to mention that Charles is now within 8 points of surpassing Lando for P2 in the championship, which is more likely to happen than Ferrari surpassing McLaren for the Constructors.
There are several tracks where being second on the grid is more beneficial than pole as at Qatar second is on the inside so if you get alongside corner is yours same I think at COTA
Are you insane? It was a double-yellow. It's not the driver's job to assess the situation and think about what is safe and what isn't. Lando was busy with his position, not the track circumstances. Nowadays not many people die in racing _because_ of the safety rules. Lando got off light - he got the _minimum_ penalty.
Max's penalty was uncalled for, Lando's was cut and dry, but the punishment seemed excessive. I don't know if a 10s stop and go is mandatory though. It sucks that it nullified any drama at the end of the race, but you can't say he wasn't blatantly guilty. He went from 1.8 down to 1.1-1.2 on that straight and even the announcers clocked it immediately.
Ignoring double-yellow has been a 10 second stop-and-go for a long, long time. Remember that the flags don't tell the drivers the situation but there could be things like people on track. Not lifting and hitting someone at 300+ km/h... Think about that. The penalty itself is light. Extremely light. And also do not forget that Norris totally ignored safety rules like the aborted start at Brazil without consequences.
One thing positive about the FIA,,they at least seem consequent now for all drivers, they only need to tone the harshness down a bit but keep this consistency. Seems like they want to make up for all the complaints they had the previous period.
I've been watching F1 for very long now, since the mid 80's and they just keep messing up the race-direction and stewarding, it's all so arbitrarily.. I guess it's part of the "show".. The penalty Max got yesterday was nonsense and today they messed up with the wingmirror and giving Norris a way to harsh penalty..
Well, it is the 2nd time Lando ignores a yellow flag(Brasil).. Max let go of the gas, that is the rule.. To big punishment yes., But it is not fair that Lando can ignore the yellow flag every round..So they had to react
Agree 100% about the overly safety concerned rules that don't really improve safety. A marshall could've safely grabbed that mirror under a VSC and the race couldve resumed in 60 seconds or so.
The race should have been put under a safety car. While the mirror itself is quite big, with all that dark carbon marshals should have also checked for further debris. Also it went really wrong when Bottas was given a blue flag and when he moved over to let Charles through, he then drove over and splintered the mirror.
When I saw Max having his RB20 angled aggressively towards George, I knew how T1 was going to go. Goosebumps, the first few corners were clinical.
Yepp what I was thinking.
@@Felgenfahrt He wanted his Senna Suzuka 90 moment, to try and impress his dad
Prob annoyed he didn’t get to punt someone off
Russell crying his way on to pole, and then getting his arse handed to him after the start was beautiful stuff.
Christian Horner said Max confronted George during the drivers parade and told him he was going to pass him into turn 1. Legend.
Hahaha brilliant
He even went on record saying he lost all respect for Russell as he never felt anyone tried to screw him over like George did... Bad form George, bad form.
Bad form George and the FIA your just going to spawn copy cats that could end with someone getting hurt.
@@W0o0dymax is the biggest child when he gets a penalty
Never heard the team accept one like adults
@@jackworsley2562 How did ya like Russell in P1 losing to Max and didn't even get on the podium? But you trying to belittle Max.
Russel playing rat games outside of the track. Max hated his two faced hypocrisy. Told George: I'll take back the position in Turn 1. And he did. What an absolute legend.
This is not the first time. George has an attitude problem at best, a character flaw at worst.
George is punching way above his weight.
George "The Weasel" Russell.
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George is self biased , becourse nobody likes him , George brittain 😅😅😅 George russian 😅😅😅
I always look forward to Peter's analysis; he's kind, fair, supports the sport and the drivers who deserve support and calls out people who deserve to be called out. He also brings the history of the sport to life, for those of us who might have missed it. Thank you, Peter.
You hit the nail on the head that time! If there's anybody in F1 I'd love to have a weekly round of golf followed by a couple beers it would be Peter. His stories are golden. It feels like he's met everyone that's raced in the last 50 years, and his unique insights are a treasure.
You should watch the presser, Max burned backstabber George 😂
All in response to a question from The Telegraaf.
Max showed BinRussel’s true color, a weak clown.
GR has shown this side before. It's a weird kind of backstabbing and frontstabbing that isn't going to work well for him in the long run.
I really don’t like George. He does remind me of a politician when he talks. And he has the same trustworthiness…
He changed a lot once he switched to Merc eh
@@JoshuaC923 This is who he has always been. It's one of the personality traits that Toto Wolf looks for in his drivers.
Sometimes the racing gods throw in a fix, that is needed. Raceboy Russell spent about 10 seconds in 1st place. Well deserved.
I think it was more like 2 seconds, just enough time to blink my eyes and found max ahead.
Yes Peter, it was a bittersweet revenge
Simply Lovely
All hail Max
The way the stewards/race director/FIA handled the mirror situation was completely ridiculous, but there is no excuse for Lando regarding his penalty. The rules are there and are - in this case - as clear as day. He failed to spot both the light and the double waved flags which meant he had to lift off, and the penalty for not lifting off is a stop and go penalty. An unfortunate mistake, but a mistake nonetheless and so he had to face the penalty for it.
It was so clear as day that Max had to report it and it took the stewards HOW MANY laps to finally make a decision?
@@wreagfe that's the worst thing. Stewards should see this themselves, and don't have to rely on snitches .
@@wreagfeI said the RULES are clear as day, which is that failing to slow down for double waved yellows result in a time penalty. Whether you think the rule should exist or not is a separate matter, but the fact is those are the rules, as acknowledged by Norris and McLaren themselves. Also acknowledged by Norris and McLaren is that he failed to come off the throttle for those double waved yellows and thus broke the rules that exist. For breaking those rules there is a defined penalty which Lando received.
McLaren (and Sky Sports) don't like the rule as it is written, and think there should be more flexibility and circumstances should come into it, which is absolutely a reasonable view to have, but they acknowledge that right now the rule exists as it does and there can be no complaint. It was a silly and unnecessary mistake for Lando to make.
You could possibly forgive Norris for not spotting the lights as they were not working properly, nor were they working on his wheel indicator - another FIA screw-up (the Sky feed actually showed a different lap to the one that Norris was penalised for). But yes he did miss the actual waved flags, which is on him. Not so clear cut considering others have had lesser penalties for similar infringements within last couple of years. Was penalty deserved? Yes. Was the penalty consistent with previous infringements? No (which is what really infuriates us fans!).
@@MrArchie800consistency is always a frustrating issue in any sport. In the case of Lando's penalty you would think given there is a fixed rule, and a fixed penalty, regarding slowing through double waved yellows that this would be something they could get right 100% of the time.
Mostly agree with your analysis except for one issue: Lando did not drop speed at the first yellow flag (Max noted that immediately) and the fuzz with the green, yellow happened after Lando's error. In my opinion was the penalty justified .
I saw an interview with Max after the race, and he was very negative about George, without using his name. Pretty much called him a two-faced hypocrite who behaves totally differently before the camera than behind the screens, and that he was just blowing up that situation in an attempt to get Max a penalty. He said he cannot respect George anymore. I have never seen Max talk about another driver like that, I would love to have been a fly on the wall in that stewarts office. Max has a lot of flaws, but he tends to be brutally honest. And he holds a grudge, I wouldn't want to be in Russel's shoes now.
He's brutally honest because he's Dutch and that is how we Dutch are. Tell it like it is!
Zhou Guanyu scored more points in this one race than Sergio Perez has scored in God knows how many....
The past 4 races
Just a note on the restart.... Max was confused as the safety car lights weren't working. He couldn't get a clear answer so wasn't sure if to go or not hence Lando getting close to him.
Lando still got it. No troubles there as drivers with race IQ go well together and respect the craft and each other. I have a suspicion this wouldn't have gone well with George at all.
@@wreagfe Wrong. Exactly the opposite. Means Lando doesn't have it and never had it. The lights on the safety car are there for safety. Norris does not care about safety, he only cares about screwing others over.
Was waiting for Peter the legend to give his take on this GP, what a feverdream of a race
Fully agreed Peter. People underestimate the consistency and resistance to stress Max conveyed being continuously 1.8-2.3 seconds ahead. Many others that we consider elite talents (Charles, Lando) have made mistakes in those situations. Max is simply flawless in those situations. Amazin'!
@@wreagfe that is what I felt as well several times from 2021 onwards. However, other drivers were also comfortable in that range this race. I miss the old F1 cars when they could attack all the time. A pass felt like a pass back then
I don’t even watch the races anymore but just come on here and listen to Peter . More information and great insight.
Well Peter, If Verstappen noticed the yellow on the straight, then there was no excuse for Lando not to spot it.
Verstappen even said on the radio Norris was speeding under yellow.
No excuse whatsoever for speeding under yellow and the penalty was according to the rules.
It was double yellow on the straight. That is no excuse for Lando
I agree, I don't understand why Mr. Windsor thinks the penalty was unfair?
@Mr42960 maybe just the amount of punishment? The offense was blatant. I don't know if the 10s stop and go is a minimum penalty for that offense though.
@@mpolinsk22 pretty certain it is, mazepin and kimi both got 10 seconds stop/go penalty’s for failing to slow under double yellows
@@mpolinsk22Iirc the FIA addressed the topic a few races ago and said they would give harsher penalties (and still be strict) for safety infractions. So Norris got made an example on the technicality, it wasn't really unsafe.
@Dawwwg I know it was a penalty, I just wasn't clear if the punishment was just.
why anyone tries outside of max, i dont get it, he will NEVER give up the outside even if he gets a penalty
Love your progam. As a long-term Canadian F1 fan, Lance Stroll again in this race shows he has no place in F1. He is a national disgrace.
Karma is great!
A complete shambles by the FIA, all weekend IMO. What is actually going on with them?!
We were robbed of a great second half of the race and it all stemmed from their hesitation over the discarded mirror from Albon's car.
Max was outstanding, yet again.
Yes Peter I was shouting at the tele when the wing mirror came off on the straight…VSC VSC before everyone starts picking up punctures! and as you say in the old days I remember Marshall’s diving out and picking up debris from the tracks😅 Think the whole FIA needs an overhaul with some of their recent performances.
Lovely review, Mr Windsor. You're the discovery of the week for me.
I never miss your videos awesome awesome contribution Peter as always. Respectfully I wouldn’t say George was disparaging the Pirelli Hard tyre itself but the choice to go to the hard tyre
One positive of the race is that the gravel traps certainly did their jobs. Prevented drivers from taking advantage of track limits as well as made for good self policing wheel to wheel racing.
Fernando was saying their software was thinking he was still behind the safety car and he wasn't getting full energy deployment on the restart.
I respect Peter’s old school mentality regarding the penalty. Personally, I liked it because it did feel like Karma. But, if I was trying to be just and be consistent with current penalty standards, it should have been no penalty for Max and 5-10s penalty for Lando. But then, inconsistency is the only consistency we have from the stewards.
Ignoring yellow flags is a serious safety breach, so I'm glad it was penalized seriously. People have died for those rules to be created, they should be taken seriously. The rules could probably use a little bit of leniency, but I wouldnt go lighter than a drivethrough. More than the penalty itself, it hurt Norris that he had to serve it after a safety car. And Lando had already gotten away with safety breaches in Austin.
It's not unjustified just becourse lando is english , is it ? 😅😅😅 clowns .
In this case there is actually a set penalty for ignoring double yellow. So for once the stewards did it right ( regardless of it feeling harsh , but feelings should never be a part in rulings )
What I like most about Max is that he's driving like he didn't just win his 4th title. If you didn't know any better you would think he was still fighting for the championship with the way he took the penalty personal and how he was defending. A lot of other drivers would've just let it go and relax knowing they already won the championship.
No, no world champion would just “let it go”. If you’re a world champion calibre driver then you’re at 100%….all the time.
Pure racer
@@Jordyrugbylewis used to let bottas get some wins after he had already won though.
I remember many multi world champions performing this way as well…… been watching since 1976
We have a very serious administration problem with FiA...Very well said Mr.Peter Windsor!
I heard a rumor that next it is called maFIA...
This race...Max deserved to win, it's everything else.
They let everyone run by the debris for a couple laps and what happened was exactly we were all afraid of.
And then, even if Lando deserved a penalty - a 10 second Stop-Go? It's extreme.
Either insane or British. You fail to understand that F1 is a dangerous sport. People die. We now have safety measures that prevent a lot of deaths. Norris disregards the safety rules. Not lifting under double yellow has been a ten second stop and go for far longer than Verstappen and Norris have been on the grid.
Should have given him a point on his license also. They hand them out for less nowadays.
Lando completely ignored a double yellow mind you. He kept full throttle the whole straight. I mean, you can’t ignore that. The penalty was too harsh no doubt. But ignoring a double yellow completely is always a penalty
It's not too harsh, it's not getting an advantage leaving the track or something like that, it was a direct break of safety rules and procedures, the penalty is given in according to that, and lewis' penalty of drive thru the same, speeding in the pit lane, safety impediment.
In most other motorsport it would have been a disqualificationhow was this too harsh
I didn't think George was complaining about pirelli. He seemed mad that he wasn't going onto the medium which would have been a faster tire. This is from a straight up George hater.😅
PW should be a very good steward. PW forgot more about F1 as more or less everybody else will ever know about F1. Mr. PW, thank you for this upload.
Landos penalty was 100% deserved. Double yellow you have to lift, he did none of that and used DRS he picked up from a back marker. At one point he was 70kph faster than Max during it because he liftiled all the way down the straight. Both Mazapin and Nico got the same penalty in seasons past.
Is that right? I didn't know. Do you happen to remember which races they got those penalties in?
Could have done a VSC, and instructed everyone to drive through the pitlane. But god knows, FIA cant even think that far.
Just gave Max the xtra go
There used to be a video on TH-cam of a marshall running across the track during a race. He got cut in half. That's why they don't allow them on track anymore and why the yellow flag violation is taken so seriously.
Thats an old incident and marshalls have been going onto the track to remove debris for decades after that incident took place. That incident didn't directly lead to the protocol where marshals can't go onto the track anymore
Max is so good at managing that 1.8-2.0 sec gap he immediately knew Lando didn’t lift through the yellow flag.
Peter,
I would really love to bigger audience find out about your excellency in analysis and pov.
Therefore, please, help algorithms to help you (and me). Cut such a long ending of your videos. I highly doubt if you check retention graph to see people watch till the very last seconds. And when they don't you lose a lot in terms reach.
Please, council your channel editor or Cameron or me to restructure a bit your clips. They are lovely, just wish more people join you.
Thank you for understanding🙏
Not 100% sure, but I think he doesn't care that much about growing the channel.
Just loves sharing his thoughts.
About Lewis, I think there is a lot we don't know. The dynamic between Lewis, Totto and Mercedes is totally ruined. Let’s wait until next year. We will know then, when Lewis can talk freely. Something is going on.
@@MrVictorTimely Hamilton still has it. He maybe a tenth or two slower than his prime. But, it is still better than most. He won 2 races this year and was by far the quickest n the last race. Same story for Alonso. But, he just can’t get a good car.
Alonso already said it: Hamilton can only drive as a number one. Lewis can perform. He can also be entirely turned off and blaming the whole team. Leclerc beat Vettel, next year will be a repeat.
11:20 ?? Peter, how much of an effort does pirelli make if they have the monopoly? lulz...I wish Michelin was the official tire supplier for F1...they make great tires for WEC
Thanks Peter! Love your analyses
Quite an eventful race. Max is quite consistently getting it all out of that car. The team must have done well with the setup too.
Tattletale George just not good enough
“Tattletale”. Hilarious. Max was seemingly just salty that George pointed out that Max broke the rules.
Which is exactly what Max did to Lando at COTA and Qatar. Likes to dish it out with the rules but doesn’t like it when someone does it to him.
@@gameofender4463 Imo Max only does this as a reaction on someone else trying to Bs him. And Yesterday it was Russel who woke up the Lion in Max, and then everybody has to duck for cover.
@@gameofender4463snitches get stitches. Two faced GR showed his true colors and got called out on it.
@@gameofender4463 if everyone was penalized for what Max did, we‘d have 15+ drivers every single weekend getting grid drops and points added to their license.
What he was furious about was George exploiting the situation by coming up too fast behind him instead of just slowing down and then pitching it to the stewards like this was unheard of maliciously intended impeding by Max to get a P1 he didn‘t deserve.
Funny how George got crushed in T1, as everyone does when head to head with Max. Maybe George should try pitching for a pitlane start penalty next time around?
@@BrugjeoverhetwaterMax did it because he knows full well either he, GP or Horner would’ve done the exact same thing as George. Double standards.
Administrative messes is a great characterization of the weekend. The FIA should be ashamed of themselves and it is hard to blame the new Race Director who was thrown to the wolves via MBS of the FIA. But not calling a Safety Car with the mirror on the track led to some punctures so it was a ridiculous non-call at the time. Wake up FIA, you have a sport where a great portion of the conversations is regarding Stewards, Race Directors and their poor decision making.
george is the back stabber i always taught he is
@@edijzerman5880 we saw it already with his fights with Hamilton
You mean Lewis( my team sabotages me).....
atleast max is honest in his interviews he says and acts like he really is. Russel on the other hand is a snake. i can understand that max lost all respect for him.
Max got a 3 place gridpenalty for ignoring double yellows (I believe in Mexico some year ago, not sure) and lost pole position so why should Lando not get a penalty for ignoring yellow flags? He has to pay attention, Max saw him coming very close all of a sudden so he knew Lando didn’t lift
Not full throttle though just too fast
@@permanentlybored195 Andrea Stella told it was full throttle.
great outro sir felt great 💪💪💪
Erm Lewis hit debris and ran a whole lap with a puncture. Yes he wasn’t in contention for the win but you can’t talk about him finishing 12th without mentioning why…
Glad you changed your mind during your comments on the race! At 3.33 was it a really bad race, and 6.45 is it one of the best races of the year 🤓
Bad day for the FIA??? What race this season has it not been a bad day? Terrible, inconsistent officiating all year.
If they would quit trying to hit Max with the rulebook we could have consistency back. Actually I feel the stewards handled the race itself quite right. When the mirror came off they should have brought out the safety car immediately with a route through the pits. Don't know if the mirror is the only piece of debris.
Although the penalty was too harsh, Lando did destroy Max's well managed undercut window of almost 2 seconds, gaining some 0.6 seconds by not lifting when Max did lift at the double yellow.
Of course Max was surpirsed and reported it. Lando suddenly was close to a DRS distance.
Shocking to see how fast RB turned into Forti this race
That mirror could've, should've, been removed, whole, within one VSC lap. I could've done it at my age. At a stroll.
Race director shot himself in the foot there.
Another misery for Lando not in a million years to be champion
It was a double yellow where Norris did not lift. Potentially a driver exiting his vehicle or something similar. They are always tough on those moments.
Strange Norris pit did not tell him to lift
Oh, and let us not forget Norris also forgot in Brazil that the race start was aborted. Drivers do not know why. There could be things on track. Norris got off without penalties there. That should have been a huge penalty as well.
Double yellow fallowed by a green light. Norris had a split second to see it. He didn't. Bad luck.
@@sghitza1max saw it and so did leclerc
@@permanentlybored195 ok. Lol
Excellent. Thank you.
I'm proud to say that I was way ahead of the curve on George. I started calling him Eddie Haskell while he was still at Williams for his 2 side persona. Choirboy when a camera or microphone is within earshot, but a petty nark behind closed doors. Yabba Dabba Doo
De laatste zal ook voor Max zijn dat zal zijn tiende overwinning worden dit seizoen 👍
Rule book & Penalty clarification is desperately needed.
They won’t do it as they have no accountability and it keeps us talking
And simplified
Yesss!!! They only needed to make them pass once through the pitlane! 🤣
Excellent analysis again, as per usual👍
Double waved yellow on the straight...Lando made a mistake simple. And penalties are hard for double waved yellow.
I see nothing wrong with that....just his own stupid fault.
(Mazepin had the same penalty in 2021)
Max also told the press he lost all respect for George after the race during the press conference when asked about yesterday and the penalty he got.
Land-o , the english version of Jezus Christus,
Excellent analysis as usual!
Max was angry at George.
An angry Max is Max to the power of 2.
Hope for George that Max can forgive George as time goes by.
Let Russel Ask Perez how long Max can hold a grudge ;-)
Peter, would you consider being a race director someday ?
Max sits at 1.8 to 2.0 seconds due to him knowing he is doing maximum damage to the guy behind’s tyres. He’s a deep thinker 💪👍🏻
After Norris ignore the double yellow, the cap shrunk to 1.2 sec and 3 laps later it was back at 2 second and he even continues pushing because they were both nearing the end of their stints...
Letting that mirror just sit there for 3 laps was ridiculous. Amateurish.
Max is done with Goerge and doesn't want to do anything with a snake (George) like that ever again. He never saw another driver trying to screw someone over that bad in his driver history. If Max Goose to Merc, Goerge is history! he made his biggest mistake in his F1 career.
Why has F1 had many problems with race directors since losing Charlie Whiting?
Ego & power
Thank you Grand-master💯💯💯
Thankyou Peter for your analysis. Im currently away from TV coverage and I find between the 10 min highlights reel and your reviews, analysis and opinions Im getting my F1 fix. In fact im starting to question why I bother with the TV coverage at all.
Thank you Mr Windsor 🏁
Doesn't Lando have peripheral vision Peter.
He seems to be your favourite son.
Max kept the gap where he was comfortable. When Lando got close keeping it flat out under double yellow, Max just out the gap right back to 2 seconds to avoid the undercut. The Max stretched it even more before pittinng. Max yet again shoving the FIA bigotry right down their throats. All while schooling George!
And no mentioning of that, it show how much extra overhead Max seems to have….. interesting for 2025
Why should Lando have been excused for not slowing under yellow? It's a clear cut rule, and Lando failed to abide by it. If you go too fast in the pit lane, you get penalized - it's the exact same thing. Stop looking for "mitigating circumstances" for Norris. Lando screwed up, simple as that.
It would have taken 10 seconds to have a marshal run out and pick it up.
Can't really do that without a saftey car.
@@wreagfeUsain Bolt enters the chat
Verstappen's pole penalty was unjust, the penalty for Norris and Lewis were just, yet they should have been regular time penalties and not drive throughs. MBS fired the wrong people!
A Verstappen vs Russell title fight would of fantastic
Lando deserved a penalty. He even said so himself. But the magnitude of the penalty was harsh: I think most people, even his competitors, have said so. Especially considering the mess they made of sorting out the debris in the first place but actually having a penalty is correct. Race management poor.
Max didn't deserve the pointless grid penalty. It didn't make much sense to most involved. And I'm not a fan but I just thought a mild non-race impacting reprimand would have been sufficient.
IndyCar can teach F1 a thing or two as their recent management of incidents and penalties has been very proportional, consistent and fair. It's almost like Indy has that in common with rugby where the official's view is respected but F1 is like football where any penalties results in legions of arm waving, wailing and gnashing of teeth and they're inconsistent.
lol they’re already here, the fan hivemind
“actually I never liked George” “I never trusted him!” “Politician George!” Etc etc…
You don’t have to mirror everything your favorite drivers says, being a fan is about supporting a driver. There’s like 2 comments here talking about how good max was and the rest are all complaining about the ethics and morality of George Russel…
That's because Russell is a snake 🐍.
Going back to the porpoising time when Mercedes in particular was having mega problems, remember old man Ham climbing out of the car, Russell was lying his head off complaining saying everybody was having problems, forcing the Fia to put out td 39 .......
Must have a grain of truth then, don't you think so?
One of the rare cases when I disagree with you Peter, Lando absolutely deserved to be penalized, Max lifted, everyone else on track lifted, only Lando flatfooted it through that safety zone and past a solid yellow light and two yellow flags that were hanging out into the track.
Also, you failed to mention that Charles is now within 8 points of surpassing Lando for P2 in the championship, which is more likely to happen than Ferrari surpassing McLaren for the Constructors.
Since Abu 21 Max has won the WDC the same number as Perez had race wins.
There are several tracks where being second on the grid is more beneficial than pole as at Qatar second is on the inside so if you get alongside corner is yours same I think at COTA
Second place you are starting from the dirt.
No danger and the. The most severe penalty is just plain stupidity
Are you insane? It was a double-yellow. It's not the driver's job to assess the situation and think about what is safe and what isn't. Lando was busy with his position, not the track circumstances. Nowadays not many people die in racing _because_ of the safety rules. Lando got off light - he got the _minimum_ penalty.
Carlos looked like he got the puncture on the debris but he said it was the curbs that did his tyres in.
Max's penalty was uncalled for, Lando's was cut and dry, but the punishment seemed excessive. I don't know if a 10s stop and go is mandatory though. It sucks that it nullified any drama at the end of the race, but you can't say he wasn't blatantly guilty. He went from 1.8 down to 1.1-1.2 on that straight and even the announcers clocked it immediately.
Ignoring double-yellow has been a 10 second stop-and-go for a long, long time. Remember that the flags don't tell the drivers the situation but there could be things like people on track. Not lifting and hitting someone at 300+ km/h... Think about that. The penalty itself is light. Extremely light. And also do not forget that Norris totally ignored safety rules like the aborted start at Brazil without consequences.
@@FrancisFjordCupola I never said it was wrong, said I didn't know/remember.
One thing positive about the FIA,,they at least seem consequent now for all drivers, they only need to tone the harshness down a bit but keep this consistency. Seems like they want to make up for all the complaints they had the previous period.
Harsh when?
Russel not within the delta what, 1 place back and 1 point for dangerous driving for him too 🙂damn criminal 🙂
I've been watching F1 for very long now, since the mid 80's and they just keep messing up the race-direction and stewarding, it's all so arbitrarily.. I guess it's part of the "show".. The penalty Max got yesterday was nonsense and today they messed up with the wingmirror and giving Norris a way to harsh penalty..
Well, it is the 2nd time Lando ignores a yellow flag(Brasil).. Max let go of the gas, that is the rule.. To big punishment yes., But it is not fair that Lando can ignore the yellow flag every round..So they had to react
That race director needs to be fired immediately. A mirror in the only passing section on the track. Right.
Agree 100% about the overly safety concerned rules that don't really improve safety. A marshall could've safely grabbed that mirror under a VSC and the race couldve resumed in 60 seconds or so.
The race should have been put under a safety car. While the mirror itself is quite big, with all that dark carbon marshals should have also checked for further debris. Also it went really wrong when Bottas was given a blue flag and when he moved over to let Charles through, he then drove over and splintered the mirror.
Qatar! Who knew authoritarian tyrants have all the best tracks
9:50 Red Bull asked Verstappen to do 4 long burn-outs before the start - maybe this bit of extra heat in the tyres made the difference at the start.