Biker Etiquette - Road rules for riding with a group/org/pack.
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- Several viewers asked for a video focused on biker / motorcycle road rules - riding in a pack or as a group. These rules vary by group, size and whether they ride club style/motorman, but these are good basic principles for riding with a group of motorcycles. Please comment down below any other tips or best practices that you have seen.
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One I forgot was signaling debris/potholes. You point with your leg. My experience is it is too late 98% of the time...
I'm not sure if I missed it but did you touch on outsideriders. I've been out riding and a group comes up or I run up on a group. Now, I stay far away if it's a club. In general I try to stay away. But if I am trying to get somewhere as a commuter & they are moving too slow to stay behind I do pass safely. Wondering what your thoughts on that is.
You right
Here’s a good question: cop blue lights the column…does the anchor man take one for the team or does the whole column stop 🤔
@@adventuresofneric2624 I guess the anchor pulls over and you see how the cop reacts. I’d chip in for a ticket if one was issued.
We have had a blocker pulled over before and given a warning for blocking.
I'm always too slow in reaction time to use my legs, so I point down left arm, right arm to warn the column. This is where the pre-ride is important. I'm in a factory club so don't know how an MC would work but it's common to have unknown people show up for a ride.
I've ridden independent for over 30 years, almost never in an organized group. When i did ride group i didnt understand these priciples, yet they were being practised all around me without my realization, till now. Thankyou for schooling me. Sometimes you don't even know what you don't know 😃
I rode axle to axle at 90 mph for years. Messed around and got old, retired and most riding is now solo. It's nice now to take time to enjoy the scenery.
Great video, I am a Road Captain in our organization. One thing I’ve done differently is to put the group single file in right track to get blockers safely back into position behind me.
This is by far the best method, in my opinion. After the first intersection everyone understands and nobody has to ride like a racer to get back into position and I don't have to rely on inexperienced people to guard.
If I'm not near any other bikes, I'm all over the lane. Partly because the extra movement helps catch the eye of car drivers, partly because the lane may offer better traction or less debris in one spot or the other. And sometimes I just like swerving back and forth because long straight roads are boring AF.
It's your lane, just like a car takes up his lane. You can ride anywhere you want in your lane. I am all over to avoid pot holes, cracks, dead animals, rocks. And sometimes just because I felt like it.
I own the road so… 🤗👍
I was a Road Captain in a club once upon a time. Good Job. Liked the video. One other thing RC should check is every ones tires, registration and License so no problems with the Man
Damn good comment about staying in the right track while entering a blind left turn. Thanks for the refresher.
Been riding for 42 years (38 years on a Harley) I agree on everything you said.
I enjoy pack riding even with the frustrating aspects.
Last year we rode to sturgis in a pack of 6 bikes. We had taken the entire spring and summer and rode a lot as a group to prep for the long ride. I recommend if you plan to go with a group and you are not already a close team. Plan a lot of rides. Put on a lot of miles in preparation. We got so good at just knowing what the others were going to do. We just automatically went single file in tight turns. We weren't surprised by a member breaking rank and accelerating past for gopro footage. My dyna had the shortest range so fuel stops were based on my mileage. Get your bike serviced right before the trip. Get your body ready for the miles. Leave time in your schedule for mishaps. Enjoy your time together
I love group rides. Nothing like a bunch of load pipes rolling down the road. Gives me adrenaline and I have to remember to ride smart. On the other side, I also love riding solo and riding my ride. I guess I love riding? Great vid!
I have been riding for 35 years, 350K miles with no accidents..."Motorman" style is extremely dangerous, IMHO, especially if the riders are not trained. What you had to say makes sense to me. Still, I don't lead group rides or particapte in them anymore...much rather ride alone or pillion with my lovely wife. Cheers from WA state.
I just recently found your channel. Great video that will help out new and older riders that haven’t ridden in awhile. I agree exactly with the advice you give in this video. Keep up the great work and ride safe.
I’m a RC, we ride staggered just in case there are hazards in the road and we need to get around it can’t do that if your riding side by side
Very interesting stuff, never realized how much effort goes into those big group rides. Thanks for the education.
Thank you for what you and your brothers and sisters stand for and all you do!
Dude, this channel is awesome. Thank you SO much for just being real, having real solid advice, and down to earth tips. Very well played!🤙🏻⚔️🦅
Oh yes, turns in spearfish canyon, so much gawking at the scenery. I love the rally, love looking at what works of art people have turned their bikes into,, meeting people from all over,, but you see some people and you just wonder how they haven’t become street pizza yet. And I want to thank you for clear concise education. I enjoy them greatly.
Here my little group of friends use staggered formation and we always drop to single file for bends (there's typically a lot more in the UK :-) ) so we can see through the turn... It does make the group rather "dynamic" but it works for us. Really like the insight about how you guys do it - great stuff
Thanks for doing this video. I enjoy riding with our group so much more than open rides because of the consistency and predictability that comes from the group ride rules and protocols.
Dude! Thank you for the great info. Been riding less than a year, started at at age 49. I have done some pack riding with friends and did good,this is a video I’m sharing with them. Thank you.
Heading for my first pack ride tomorrow. This bud was perfect timing!
Sweet! I hope it helps!
very interesting stuff, I'm not much of a big group rider, Just small groups of friends, where we all know the end destination and ride at our own pace. Good to know some of your tips and especially when approaching an organised group that are going slower due to their numbers. sometimes its good to hang back a bit, and watch the procession. enjoying your channel from Australia.
Really appreciate all your videos and glad this information is out there for people to be informed.
Words to live by, Thank you I've been riding for or 45 yrs, Only the last 10 or so on a Harley & everything you said was on point!! God bless you. Looking for more of your videos!
Much appreciated!
I've been riding / commuting for a few years now, but I've only been on maybe two group rides (a memorial ride in MI & then a charity run in TX). In both cases it was staggered and it made complete sense (for a new rider) when everyone stayed in their track.
The only hand signal that I use consistently is the head pat, so I would definitely need to look them up again. 😜
Very informative for a new rider that will be riding with a small group pretty much all the time.
I'm glad I saw a few of your videos today, the first time. Your stuff is right on and you seem to be a solid individual that I'm happy to have come across. Rock on Mr. Monkey and I'll see you again. Thanks
I really enjoy your videos and learn from all of them. I especially like your emphasis on respect. Thank you.
This is life and death in most situations. Respect. Knowledge. And everyone makes it home alive. That's how it's done.
Been watching your videos and learning a lot. I'm a fairly new rider and I'm a member of a local American Legion riders group. It took me a while to get past the nervousness of riding in a group and also wearing a cut. I live near Sturgis and my biggest fear has always been unknowingly upsetting a club.
I appreciate this channel. I’ve been on motorcycles for over 20 years, starting off on dirt bikes and then sport bikes and for the last two years I’ve been riding a forty eight bobber. There’s a big group ride in two weeks and I really needed this Information.
As some one who doesn’t ride, but knows lots of people who do I appreciate this video, keep em coming
I agree will what you’ve said. I would add to it the “foot drop” for low hazards such as potholes, road kill, branches, leaves, grass, etc.
I ride in our local HOG group and in a couple of weeks they are going to conduct a Road Captain training class for riders that want to be future Road Captains. I am going to share this video with them.
I feel they will learn some things from your video. I sure did when it comes to blockers and the drag man.
Great video as always.
I gotta thank you for this. I'm a Legion Rider and we're a new chapter where I'm at. I shared this with our group and asked them to watch. Now I'm hooked on your vids! Thanks man!
That was a great video for people who don't know. I've been riding with different clubs for some years. Parade or handle bar to handle bar takes a lot of skill and faith in your fellow rider. You are correct in saying the safest riding is staggered.
I appreciate your insight. Been riding street bikes for 3 decades and I learned something. I’ve been in poorly run packs too. Went to the flight 93 memorial and had almost 100 bikes. There was one experienced blocker that was quite helpful. However the organizer was the road captain and wasn’t experienced enough to be as effective. So there were some issues. But we raised some cash for a good cause and nobody got hurt. But I normally use my bike for commuting, but this was useful info for when I do ride with friends or on the one or two memorial/benefit rides I do a year. But now my expectations for the leaders have increased !
Great info! Now I know why some people were looking at me like I was an idiot when I went out on a group ride...would have been good know these things.
I ride with an Organization as well. You are spot on with protocol
This info is phenomenal. As a pretty new rider I appreciate the fact that everyone can benefit from these topics.
I hope it can help!
Couldn't agree more. This vid should be used as a "point of reference" for anyone setting out on a road trip with experienced or inexperienced riders for the first time. Staggering the pack gives everyone an out if things go bad on the road and the perfect formation tbh. Brilliant vid cheers for taking the time to post it 👍
I am glad you liked it.
Love what you're doing! Keep on keeping on! Pootstick coming FROM NC
Love your videos, super interesting as someone who grew up in CA seeing all the different groups out riding
Glad you enjoyed it!
One of the best discussions about group riding I’ve heard in over 50 years on bikes. Great job!
Wow, thanks!
great video. When I ride with family its still 8 - 12 riders so we ride staggered we have done it so long we all have a spot and know what the person in front and in back of us will do. With my organization we ride staggered as well.
love it been riding for a long timeknew most of this but great to here it again love all your topics
Glad you enjoy it!
I'm a new rider and really appreciate these what to do videos. Thanks
When I used to ride my favorite position was tail gunner. Gave some space between me and the back of the pack so I could have my head on a swivel looking for Aholes coming up behind, but also help to mitigate the slinky effect of the cars behind us if necessary. For loose road or gravel we used to point our hand towards the road and do a fast twisty shake with our hand. Don’t know if it was unique to our group but seemed to make sense. Thanks for the great videos.
Just found your channel, and it’s freaking awesome! I started riding this past February. Rode with a local women’s riding association and it showed me everything NOT to do when riding with a group. Wish I could find a few people to ride with who know what the hell they’re doing because I love to learn from people who are more experienced.
That's funny. Some groups are the perfect way to find out what NOT to do. Do you ride a Harley? Some HOG chapters are great at pack riding, not all, but some.
Great video! Re: the storm story at about 21:56...in aviation, that's known as "get-there-itis." It's an insidious condition and is fatal more often than it should be. One way to avoid it is to ask "can we/should we" and answer from the group's perspective, not your personal perspective.
Again, this was a great, instructional video.
Great advice...I wish everyone that rides would watch this, thanks!
I hope it helps!
Thanks for the explanation. As for sure some rules are different among other groups. At least I know there are rules. Most easy to ask about them before you start riding the first time with the group.
We ride staggered, a little different than this. We put slow riders in front as the back is faster, and try to maintain 2 second distance for safety. Great video.
Funny stuff that drove by PM's garage -44 yrs ago - I am a kid - on I95 - and rolling by us is a 1950's farm truck. One fender - and a gent sitting on a kitchen chair - rolling south - with a truck load of veggies headed for market. Cheers!
Edit -- Today - Bike on side of the road, out of prov or country plate - I pulled over flipped my hazards on and jumped out - nice Gent - 10 miles of fuel left, got off the hyway, but still cannot find gas. I told him - " I ride - follow me - maybe 4 minutes and your there" - So we left - I am guarding him - with my beat-up car and we get to the station. All is good - and he yells " Your Awesome!" I yell back -" so are you! See you in Sturgis!" . Now - no 4 wheeler stopped - like 5 went by him - I am just a guy who helps when I can. I may never make Stugis - but I will tip a salute to yah! Cheers!
Thank you for spreading the common sense factors at the same time you're educating!! Kudos to you brother! I'm with you though, group riding is stressful. But, I do like not having to plan routes and being responsible for all that road captain junk. Mindless riding and enjoying the ride is best for me. Follow and enjoy!
You are spot on , on every level ive been riding for 26yrs and rode in rides for AMVETS , VFWs biker MC funerals , so many inexperienced riders you sometimes have to deal with , morons looking to see whos looking at them , big egoes my bike is faster newer you should be behind me or I want to ride in that lane ...ive see it all, glad you took time to explain proper group riding procedure hopefully ridders who see your video will incorporate this in their future rides ..THANK YOU
Born and raised in australia, went there to visit family there and started to ride there first before riding in Australia. learnt quickly defensive riding and that there is no need for speed. you get to the place when you get there
Perfect Explanation of Pack Safety as Practiced for years, I Ran Drag man with Full Tool Kit, Cell Phone and First Aid Kit and Training to Use it Effectively
yes for 1st aid/trauma kit and appropriate training!
@@PWN_Nation I was always Better with Tool Kit and First Aid kit then the Phone, but having one someone else could call with helped. travelled as Disaster Service Volunteer for 29 years to keep out of trouble
Nice to see the hand signs explained, excellent video
Thanks for the tips heading to the Austin Texas ROT Rally will help thanks again
I'm a former Road Captain for my organization and Road Captain is absolutely stressful with a large group. Living in the mirror is the life of the RC...We run Motorman 90% of the time..situation dictates formation..this video has great information, especially for those that don't know...
Great stuff and a good reminder even if we think we know them. See ya tonight
Good info. Dont do much pack riding anymore. Most of my riding buddies have quit or have passed on. We always rode staggered. For the aforementioned reasons. Rode with a group that rode axle to axle once. Made me really nervous. Never again. Been riding 49 yrs.
Love your attitude! I think riding now is more dangerous than it used to be. MLLHR! You belong to a great organization.
Great info. Have a great and safe travels.
I ride with friends and we stagger however we do have the same person who is the RC no boss but we do know our places and pretty much keep it disciplined safety first. Thank you every little bit helps
Im Happy to see another another Man that has my same anxiety level for after and the tolerance for Horse Shit..Great video..Dave
Great video! One difference with our group is that the Road Captain rides the outside line so everyone can see his hand signals. We also don't have blockers, yet. Sure would come in handy so we don't get broken up at the lights so much. Presently the pack that made the light slows down significantly until the others catch up.
Been riding with my son trying to teach him motorman style he's doing vary well at it . To do. Motorman style you have to be able to anticipate what the other rider going to do .great video I'll have him watch
The week before the ride, Each rider should buy a cheep map of where you are going, and get together over a few beers, and work your route out, and where you are stopping each night. saves a lot of worry about being left behind.(Happy Trails).
The pat on the head is also for road construction or road blockages. Remember you might see the problem or accident, but the riders coming towards you might not see it to stop.
I"m 58, never been a part of an MC or organization, but appreciate these informative videos. Safe travels!
Thanks, you too!
New sub, only just found your channel. One of the best I've seen for this type of content. No constant skulls and flames, gang signs and you speak English! I have literally just been giving this information to the group I belong to here in the UK. I'm going to share a link to this video, if I may, as it explains a lot of what I'm trying to convey way better than I can.
I've been on too many group rides where people have seen a couple of series of Sons of Anarchy and try to ride Motorman style. Thankfully it's never ended badly, but it's lead to some near misses. We are not an Mc, MCC or even a club, just a group of riders who are linked on Facebook. The most successful and safe rides do seem to be the ones led by or organised by, people who have experience in the club world.
Gonna have a trawl through your back catalogue and look forward to seeing more of your content. Stay sa
Alot of great advice. Also when we ride in a group, if you get a complete new to you bike ( sportster to a bagger), we have them ride in the back until they get use to that machine and get some miles on it. Or even changes to bike, engine upgrades, tall handlebars. May feel and handle different until you get use to it. Just try to keep everyone safe. Ride on!
Thats a really good idea!!!
Practice and consistency makes you a better group rider. Our organization definitely rides differently than the Local Hog chapter. It’s at a faster/tighter space, but it seems normal after awhile and feels weird when you try to go back to a slower/more distant space. Not saying either is better it’s just what you get used to.
I agree about riding staggered. I will only ride side by side when there are only 2 bikes. I have a regular group but we aren't really organized. I appreciate these topics just for the education. When things go wrong on the road, be that with traffic or joining a pack, when mistakes are made, things go wrong FAST. Having some good etiquette and ground rules allows a plan and keeps us safe. Thanks for the info.
I just want to say I love watching your videos. Your so down to earth it's awesome and the way my friends and I would talk to each other.
I really appreciate that!
Our group rides to new destinations all the time… Other than knowing where we’re headed, no one has ridden the route prior.
Anyway, I enjoy the channel! Maybe run into you in Sturgis.
I have been on a number of charity events where everything you said was ignored. I have seen people almost crash into each other. I've come to feel that group riding is dangerous. I rather ride by myself
The non-profit I work with does a few rides a year to raise money, and hoo-boy, have I seen some things. Three to five friends on a ride feels great. Getting a bunch of unknown talent together is a recipe for some pucker moments.
@Quirin M. Right on man.
@@JessePerryAndCoffee ihad a group of friends that rode to a bike rally... one guy hit debris in the road and caused a huge accident..alot of guys got badly hurt. you think its bad in a car accident; imagine getting hit by a 600 lb bike after your bike goes down
Absolutely agree with you.
Great job sir! Thank you for your time to make these videos!
Hi ya. I just wanted to say that I don't ride or own a bike but I watch your videos. There always done with the upmost respect for all concerned and you sound like a stand up dude stay safe and cheers for looking out for the kids top man
I found myself needing to take the written test again, 25 years later. I was surprised to see there is actually a whole section on group riding. And many of the group riding hand signals were actually in the Georgia Motorcycle manual. About 10 of them. (cop was not one of them lol) I know the last time I read the thing, back when I was a teen, it only had left turn, right turn, slow and stop. And it didn't have anything about group riding. And the first small group ride I went on, none of us knew what we were doing. Only reason we survived it was the amount of potholes in the road kept us going too slow to crash in to each other.
I’ll never forget! My wife and I moved to Georgia in 1991 and at that time I had a Kawasaki Ninja. I had expected to go to the GA DMV walk in and pick up my GA drivers license. They noticed that I had a motorcycle endorsement on my AL license and asked me if I wanted that on my GA license. I said yes, then they told me that I had to complete a written motorcycle exam and I had to complete a road course test that had been setup by the GA I State Patrol motor officers. Let me say that it was a very intense test course they had setup. The dude in front of me was in his 50’s and was on a touring bagger. He dropped his bike four times before finishing the test. The State trooper had to help him pick up his motorbike. I was sweating bullets by the time he was finished with the test. He didn’t get his license that day either. Luckily, I ended up passing it on the first attempt, but it was a very hard road test. I wasn’t expecting that at all. I got my AL license when I was 14 and all I had to do was pass a written exam.
I've been riding for not even a year. I live in Northern Illinois, so I don't ride in the winter, so I still consider myself a new rider. I know that there's a lot of people that don't consider this riding because I currently ride my dads old 150cc scooter. I'm working my way up to getting a motorcycle. I mostly ride to work and back, sometimes I'll go out just for a ride by myself just to get out of the house for a while. I really enjoy watching videos about this stuff, because I feel like it's helping me prepare for when I do ride with a group. I want to say thank you for posting these videos. Ride safe.
Great Topic !
We have Laconia bike week coming up in my area in a week . Hoping many know these signals and riding group patterns .
Great subject won't let one of my best friends lead are group ever again got me a trip to the hospital and a recked bike in Gatlinburg Tennessee.
Yeah, it's tough. Just cause you know the way doesn't mean you can lead a pack...
Two things, 1: use left arm or right foot for potholes, trash in road (truck tire pieces), etc... also speed at Sturgis. Mind it or get wallet out. Between town and the Chip I've seen one mile over posted tickets! oh and both feet down at stop sign/light.
I agree with all else!
Thanks,. The things you share are valuable and they should be part of any motorcycle riding course.
Great job and we can all learn something from this. It’s about having a good time and everyone gets home safe.
Well done sir as usual !! Amount of Advertising errr. But I totally understand. You and your videos are actually worth it. And as for the delivery guy with 70% of car we gotta give him props for getting out and working to pimp his ride! and not taking a stay home check. lol
Have you covered riding up on a MC and how to “respectfully”ask for access to pass them.
Might be a cool idea for a future installment. Haven't done any moto vlogging, might not be very easy with filming, but if you happen to catch a good example on film it could work.
Don't know anything about editing software as far as adding commentary, but yeah, I'll shut up now.
Love the channel brother!
Hey brother, Just wanted to say thank you for all of the advice. I just spent a week in Rapid City, Keystone, Sturgis etc. I took a lot of what you said concerning the where to go and where to eat and we had the best time. Loud American absolutely killed it with both food and drinks. Many thanks and ride safe!
Great to hear!!!
Really wanna thank you for educating less experienced riders. It's nice to see someone taken time to explain things that you don't learn getting a permit or even our states motorcycle safety program. Thanks again stay safe.
I appreciate that!
Blockers need to be able to "read the road". Excellent video, keep up the great content! Sub'ed.
Yes! Thank you!
Good rides with proper blocking , be aware that those blockers are coming back to the position. Spooky
Thanks, excellent material!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great friend advice man...much respect from los Angeles
Having a Comms setups in your helmet that are linked to several other riders in the group. Mainly the key riders pointed out in this video help a lot!!! But you still need to use hand signals!
I’ve been in a formation running hard at parade and was much past my abilities and mindset on that particular day. Super bad lesson about why I don’t run that way. I broke both legs in 4 places, almost removed a foot from my leg, and had to learn how to walk again. Badly run pack that I was part of the problem in. Fortunately I was the only casualty but it could have been much much worse.
Thanks for the video. Great tips for me. Lots of experience riding alone. None with a club until recently.
I'm new to the channel I've been riding 30 something years and I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks!
You’d be amazed to how similar this is to marching