Typing this reply on a laptop with LM on its CPU. Purchased the laptop on 9/31/20 and in summer 21, I had the CPU (i7-10750H) at its 95°C limit very often with a few select cores always being hot and the delta between the hottest and coldest core was over 10 degrees. I opened it up in december of 22 and found a dry spot (probably oxidized) across the hot cores. I could re-spread it with a cotton swab with some pressure and the spot went away. It's now been over one and a half more years and it's still going fine. The paste on the GPU was also really dry, which made it hot 87°C (its temp target) even when the laptop was lifted off the table. With the LM respread and fresh thermal paste, it ran a LOT better and still runs fine with no signs of possible oxidation. The battery is down to 45Wh out of its 66Wh. Can anyone explain why, with the keyboard RGB off, screen at 0% brightness, CPU at 2.5W, GPU off there's a 14W power draw from the battery? Then, with the CPU at 25W, the power draw from the battery is at 50-55W. Starting a GPU-only load pushes it to its 30W limit on battery and the laptop then only draws like 45W. Is there anything wrong with the CPU power delivery?
Been testing on my old (relatively) laptops: ThermalGrizzly Conductonaut.... dropped 20C first, kept for 3 months, as soon as the copper-alloy formed, I opened laptop again (it WILL not spill everywhere if you applied it correctly) and due to 'some being absorbed' I cleaned all, and polished a bit cooler ... and re-applied, now it's beed 14th month on LQM on small laptop Lenovo X240 ... that I am trying to 'cook' as much as possible and check pure copper erosion - so far ... works fine. Also made high-G spin in hand, to try to 'spill it out' both warmed and cooled ... no such sitiation occured. I applied it on the die and on small tiny heatpipe with copper base. Other laptop has much, much bigger cooling and much older cpu (Dell E6530) and is 'cooking' since 5 months. So ... to answer: YES, after around 3 months LQM bonds with copper (that is why manufacturers 'over-do-it' - as they are not planning to re-open and re-apply correct amount, but downside is that they add too much so they need to use sponges, which are totally not necessary) but if you do it correctly (thin layer) you need to re-apply it after first 3 to 4 months, and then it will not mix further, heat transfer will be exactly the same.
@@DeafEcho27 Actually 1. Quadro RTX 6000 was in laptops. It has better specs than 2080 ti, the top end desktop GPU from Turing. 2. Reviewers don't say it about lower end GPUs either, like 4070M or 4080M. 4090M is literally desktop 4080 with slower memory, so if somebody says "this laptop has a 4070" someone might believe it's a desktop 4070. After all, the reason Nvidia removed M from the laptop GPU naming was because in Pascal and Turing their naming was honest. They started scamming their customers since Ampere(3000 series).
@@DeafEcho27 I reckon it should be said, just like it should be said that even though this is branded a 4090, the chip being used is a 4080. AD103. The consumer should know when it's being upsold a product with deceptive marketing.
@@BrandonWestfall no it doesn't. Many people don't know that a product that is named the same may be entirely different, this is literally false advertising. Especially owners of Pascal and Turing laptops where laptop specs were the same as desktop ones.
I did that once and learned the hard way. Spent about $3000 on a top end gaming laptop about 15 years ago and it had a design flaw with the graphics card that rendered it a paperweight in short order. Because it was a flaw in the design and materials used themselves, there was no reliable fix for it.
I have a 4090 desktop and got a high end laptop in 2022 for about $4000 (3080Ti). At the end of the day, I am on my laptop 10x the amount of time I am on my desktop. There is a product for everyone.
I was an early-adopter of the first 17" laptops. It was an Acer and it was a beast. This was years before gaming-laptops became a thing. This thing is so refined it boggles my mind to think about how they managed to get it so right in all the places.
I have been using gaming laptops for the past 10-15 years, and I just love how far they have evolved. I currently rock a 2021 Legion 7i with a 11800H, a GeForce 3080 (16 GB VRAM!!), 32GB RAM and 2TB SSD storage - I just freaking love this machine.
Thanks to your sponsored iFixit reads, I was able to do my own RAM upgrade using an iFixit kit on my Alienware m18 r2 recently, and purchased an iFixIt kit as a result. So, I appreciate every laptop review that you do, sir!
I picked up an Alienware laptop with a Radeon HD 5850 back in... 2010-11? Now I'm sitting here with an m15r4 that far outstrips it. The jump is definitely crazy. Miss that old hotrod look though, lol.
Edit #2: Since some of ya's are just gonna spam "my machine is fine :)" you are missing the point- the risk is inherently higher with LM. If you shake your laptop or take it on a plane or it has a rough time moving around in a backpack you incur a risk that does not exist with other solutions like PTM. Not to mention it's quite common for LM to need reapplication. If you want 2-3 years maintenance free usage out of your laptop you should avoid this solution. Also big shout out to G-Helper if you use an Asus laptop, it removes all the bloat of armory crate and lets you control power limits/profiles in a much more convenient way. Original comment: Word of warning to anyone considering a laptop with Liquid Metal. Get ready to tear up that laptop and replace the LM once the LM suffers from pump out after a few months. My Strix 17 SE with LM had to be disassembled due to 100c temps with Liquid Metal because ALL of the Liquid metal just left the CPU & GPU's dies and was just pooled up around it. I've put PTM on both dies and replaced the thermal putty with UPSIREN U6 PRO and I've not had any temp issues since, it runs even better than with Liquid Metal since it doesn't move off the die or have random hotspots where the LM just left. Edit #1 : This isn't a guarantee that it will happen but you should be prepared for the strong possibility of needing to reapply it or replace it entirely. You are warned that LM is not reliable for long term maintenance free use cases, so you may have to open it and reapply or have your laptop sent back and get screwed by whatever warranty they use. That risk simply doesn't exist with most other solutions. I personally will never buy another liquid metal based laptop and keep to any that use either ptm or normal paste. Also, there are tons of posts online about this issue but guess what these laptops cost 2000-3000 so not like there's gonna be millions of reports when it's an enthusiast ridiculous price.
Thank you for showing this one, Jay. I'm a gamer and have no space for a desktop. If you can review any other gaming laptops, I'll definitely be watching!
25:48 These “diving board” trackpads have 1 button in the center. It tells left/right button click by where your finger is on the surface, since the entire surface senses where your finger is. Ideally a haptic one is always better (it is more expensive however, but prevents issues like Dell XPS 15/17’s trackpad wobble when they redesigned the lineup with the huge trackpad back in 2020) or if you’re a boomer like me, a pointing stick
Most trackpads actually only have one button in the way to sense that it's been pushed down and use the location of your finger to determine if it was a left or right click
i just switched my laptop over from thermal paste to liquid metal. the difference in power and performance is awesome. i never thought for a second it would make that much difference. hardcore gaming my temps are almost 15c lower
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I recently purchased a foldable laptop stand that I take with me when I leave my office. It too gives the same cooling as your Ifixit kit, LOL. Thanks for the video. I am running an Eon 17 with the 14900hx and 4080 .
If I had no money concerns, I would get this thing no questions asked. What a machine. The only way it would be better is if it spoke to you in a seductive voice.
This is a crazy powerhouse of a laptop, and the ability to keep it from reaching thermal limiting under load is insane, especially in such a thin chassis. Good on Corsair for including a 2nd NVMe drive slot. My HP Victus 16 only has a single NVMe drive slot, so when I had to increase my storage I had to do a full clone - & - swap, which for the average user isn't an easy task especially when the Windows included method is "broken" and causes more issues than not. A 2nd NVMe slot shouldn't be an "upgrade" for laptops/mobo. Sure don't populate it, but give the consumer the option to add an additional drive. Overall I'm really liking the design of this laptop and the performance is a tank! Great video, love that you're feeling better!
Finally replaced my eight year old laptop...with a tablet. I have an overpriced, overpowered PC because that's what I want to play games on. If I've got something for travel, I don't want to be gaming on it anyways.
The last placed I worked at (Retired now) has almost completely transitioned to using laptops over desktops except for those doing dedicated graphics or CAD work. Most of the folks there needed the capability to work remote or other mobility reasons. Exception were those few who did not need any mobility functions. It used to be that laptops were so underpowered that it was ancillary to desktops, but now with the laptops being as capable as all but the high end desktops it makes sense.
Be careful with origin, I bought a top of the line sli laptop years back and it was terrible. It was their Australian branch which is defunct now but when I gave it a bad review on a review site, they got it removed by saying it was an old outdated review. It was still under warranty. I managed to get the review reinstated after a long time and a lot of hassle proving to the review site that it was still under warranty. Origin then told me they would look after me if I removed the review. I did and guess what, they never did anything to the laptop. Buyer beware.
I remember having an old IBM Thinkpad R60 back in the day that would sometimes overheat when doing big Installs I needed to do for University You made me think of it when you said you tilted it up to get more air flow Anyway one time I needed it not to overheat so I propped it up on some textbooks and bought 2 Cans of Pepsi to stick underneath it such that their coolness could cool the air going into the fans. It worked and I was able to get the install done properly :)
Gallium nitride has nothing to do with capacitors, at least not directly, it is for the MOSFETs. They are more efficient than 'traditional' silicon-based transistors.
The last real gaming laptop from originPC was the EON17-X in the old case. They needed to move in this direction, and not go like everyone else. Let's stuff top-end components into a regular case - just an ingenious solution from marketers.
I had my custom laptop built by CLX back in 2021 and it's fantastic. Spent $5k on it and then personally built my desktop for a little more than i spent on the laptop about 6 months later.
@@PCgamerChannel mine is 4k capable as well. Part of the reason is I pieced mine together when there was a shortage so prices were kinda high. But I got a 12900k, 3090 24gb, 32gb ddr5, noctua cpu fan, 4tb nvme ssd OS and 8tb nvme ssd. Don't remember which case or motherboard I have. I plan to upgrade to a 4090 fairly soon but my job has me all over the state of Texas so I'm not even using my desktop right now.
I own this laptop. I bought it about three months ago for $5300. The only difference between mine and yours is mine has a 4K 144 hz display, 3M.two ports and two USB three on the left side and two thunderbolt four on the right. keyboard gets way too hot to touch while playing games in 4K. Unless you use a really good cooling pad like I do.
Ive been looking at laptops lately but i would like a review or two on some decent beginner ones that can still run some games. This one is a stud though.
I don't understand why they don't make it a little thicker and better cooling, the temperatures are high in the game without a doubt, 87 degrees for cpu is to high...I will always opt for a thicker laptop with better cooling,otherwise the laptop is very powerful.
my biggest complaint with gaming laptops is the lack of space under the laptop to allow airflow. they always put the shortest feet to prop up the laptop. it does basically nothing. i had to buy a laptop stand to allow my computer to not overheat itself to death.
I ran a Port Royal run just to see where I was at with my 7900XTX (ASRock, Taichi) and I hit 17777 with a stock cooler. Not terrible. You should run some stuff on the new one Steel Nomad.
The point of RTX is / was the same as it is / was with physiX, when it first came out. It adds little, costs alot, but at one point in time it will become common, affordable and indispensable. And then we wait for the next big thing again :)
JAY! In Cyberpunk, using standard raytracing, ray reconstruction actually looks great and performs better by a few frames per second! Granted I'm also running at 1080p but still
I don't have a personal laptop, but I have a couple of work ThinkPads. I open them and stand them up like a tent or teepee when I'm working. I have external kb/mouse and monitors with a thunderbolt dock. My Ryzen ThinkPad isn't too hot, but my 11th gen i7 ThinkPad gets pretty hot with just basic office work. I work in IT, and most of my stuff is in a browser. I'm not even running CPU intensive apps. Laptop open in the teepee config is the coolest running option I've found.
I like the 16:10 ratio. I had a hp monitor that was 16:10 a while back and I loved the ratio. I have a surface device and they are 3:2, and I find that a little too square when using it multi purpose, for movies and applications. I think 16:10 could be the sweet spot
kids touching my notebook....nope...I taught them not to touch mine 🤣I also never gave them an old keyboard to play with it just teaches them to push the buttons on yours. Great review just a little to pricy for my taste, I stick to my desktop for now.
I would love to see Jays opinion on the Framework 16 laptop. A modular laptop with right to repair friendly components. I like the idea but they’re pricey.
Replaced my mom's 5 year old laptop (with a trackpad which wouldn't always click) with a new Lenovo. The trackpad's right click left clicks, even at the far right corner. And the left corner was almost proud of the chassis. Sent it back for an Asus which is better but still not a perfect finish, but at least clicks properly. I don't know why it's so hard to make a decent trackpad.
I think they sell a lot more than desktops because a lot of schools give all the kids laptops/people drop and break them/they get stolen/people lose them and you really can not upgrade/update them like you can a desktop. Just my thought.
8:30 Jay, be proud of who you are, if you like games, it's ok to use a laptop that can game. There is nothing embarassing, and no shame in using a gaming laptop to do work on. It's ok. You can do it!
As much as I love watching videos about insane laptops like this, is there any way you could cover a few office oriented laptops built with all day batteries etc... as well? Thank you!
My 2021 Asus g17 3070 5900HX gets 12 hours of battery life at 90% brightness. No fans when not gaming. Goes to show that you can pick any AMD laptop of the past years.
I hated doing video-conferencing with my therapist during COVID. Her laptop's mic turned off if she looked at her local PC even a little. I have no idea why someone would put that in a laptop.
Gaming laptops have improved significantly over the years. They now offer better performance and build quality. However, their keyboards often become too hot, the fans are excessively loud, and the prices remain high. These issues are common across all gaming laptops, buying them isn't worth it in most cases.
excuse me? Pascal(1000 series) GPUs were 5-10% slower than their desktop equivalents. in Turing(2000 series) desktops were 10-20% faster than laptop equivalents. Desktop 4090 though is like 70% faster than this laptop version because it has much superior specs. What's so amazing about it? This is a desktop 4080 put in a laptop with slower memory and lower power consumption.
I wonder if engineers ever considered aerodynamically enhanced laptops to increase airflow, similar to the floor under a Formula 1 car causing such extreme suction you could drive it on the ceiling at high-speed.
12:40 I just finished doing a course for drone pilot licensing here in Australia, and the requirements for batteries is under 160W/h by law. I'd be curious to know (if it's true) why the US legal limit is only half of this. different airlines have different limits, but there's federal law here that gives a blanket 160W/h maximum for batteries.
I suppose some folks might hate laptops. I don't. However, I hate the price. I think you might find that a lot of people hate the price one has to pay for PC-equivalent performance. I'd sooner just pack my PC and take it with me to wherever I'm going instead of spending a boatload on a laptop. Is that laptop badass? Oh, of course it is. But it's bloody expensive. Until there's a solution for that problem, I think you'll find most folks using PCs will just continue using PCs.
The funny thing is that even a 4060 laptop is faster than many people's 20-series GPU. And a 4080 laptop is faster than their 3090 desktop. So, anyone talking crap about laptops really needs to have at least a 3090 or better. Because if you're talking shit with your 2080 Ti or 3080 Ti, I got 99 problems but a slow desktop GPU ain't one.
it would be cool if you did a video were you compare the battery life of a laptop like this in it's out of the box state and with a minimalist windows 11 os (like altas os or Tiny11) and see if there's a noticeable improvement
I wish for the days of removable batteries (like my old Dell XPS) so we can blow by those TSA requirements. Not bad though. I am always on the move so the laptop is an absolute.
Hey Jay, I love your videos and your breakdowns. Incredibly insightful! I just saw minisforum atomman g7 pt on another channel and was wondering if you knew much about it? Not sure how much of a mini/micro pc guy you are but I thought it was interesting!
I actually like the look of this laptop and the hardware isn't that bad. Would like to see an AMD solution though, with Strix Point / Strix Halo (Zen 5) coming out this year.
Mic is not bad, sounds like its under the keyboard but still I wish more laptops had an internal 80+WH battery, but them slots on the bottom for an external battery, which according to FAA rules, can be as much as 160Wh, and you can have 2 of them, though its unclear if you're allowed to also have an internal battery, or use both external batteries at the same time At worst that means a laptop with a 160wh removable battery(my preferred design as it makes the batteries easy to replace when they go bad), but could also mean up to 420Wh
Man, feet on the bottom of the laptop... I miss those. I helped my sister get a gaming laptop last year and made her get a cooling pad, cause of the heat.
Capacitors? Jay GaN refers to the semi conductors that are responsible for the switching within the supply. They have nothing to do with the capacitors. GaN FETs have lower internal gate capacitance and lower RDSon Vs silicon so they can switch more efficiently and with lower internal losses.
great review, I'm look for a laptop to have when blackouts occur, I got a generator without an inverter and wont chance using my desktop 7950X - X670 AORUS AX without an S wave. Still a lot of money to spend just to have something to pull out for only when you need it and two grand will buy a nice battery inverter or replace the generator that has an inverter on it. The keyboard test sounded like a little kid running barefoot on a hard wood floor lol
I use a cooling pad (more of a unit) that has a gasketed area under the laptop and pulls fresh air into that for the laptop to gobble up. It dropped my laptop 3080Ti over 15 degrees. Its chonky so I leave it at home but best $70 I have ever spent on a laptop cooler.
I have a liquid metal laptop, and the temperatures were insanely low, just 10°C below the throttle point. Six months later, the temperatures were idling at 10-15°C higher, and now it is always throttling. I will never go back to a liquid metal laptop because of that.
Laptops are hitting the same barrier as mobile phones. A phone is limited by how big people are willing to go, a laptop is limited by the 99.9Wh battery. Until either of these limits change, phones and laptops will stagnate.
Curious how the Liquid Metal will fair overtime, I've been replacing a ton of LM in misc. ASUS over the past few months due to overheating.
The greatest technician that’s ever lived what are you doing here?
Typing this reply on a laptop with LM on its CPU. Purchased the laptop on 9/31/20 and in summer 21, I had the CPU (i7-10750H) at its 95°C limit very often with a few select cores always being hot and the delta between the hottest and coldest core was over 10 degrees. I opened it up in december of 22 and found a dry spot (probably oxidized) across the hot cores. I could re-spread it with a cotton swab with some pressure and the spot went away. It's now been over one and a half more years and it's still going fine. The paste on the GPU was also really dry, which made it hot 87°C (its temp target) even when the laptop was lifted off the table. With the LM respread and fresh thermal paste, it ran a LOT better and still runs fine with no signs of possible oxidation. The battery is down to 45Wh out of its 66Wh. Can anyone explain why, with the keyboard RGB off, screen at 0% brightness, CPU at 2.5W, GPU off there's a 14W power draw from the battery? Then, with the CPU at 25W, the power draw from the battery is at 50-55W. Starting a GPU-only load pushes it to its 30W limit on battery and the laptop then only draws like 45W. Is there anything wrong with the CPU power delivery?
Been testing on my old (relatively) laptops: ThermalGrizzly Conductonaut.... dropped 20C first, kept for 3 months, as soon as the copper-alloy formed, I opened laptop again (it WILL not spill everywhere if you applied it correctly) and due to 'some being absorbed' I cleaned all, and polished a bit cooler ... and re-applied, now it's beed 14th month on LQM on small laptop Lenovo X240 ... that I am trying to 'cook' as much as possible and check pure copper erosion - so far ... works fine. Also made high-G spin in hand, to try to 'spill it out' both warmed and cooled ... no such sitiation occured. I applied it on the die and on small tiny heatpipe with copper base. Other laptop has much, much bigger cooling and much older cpu (Dell E6530) and is 'cooking' since 5 months. So ... to answer: YES, after around 3 months LQM bonds with copper (that is why manufacturers 'over-do-it' - as they are not planning to re-open and re-apply correct amount, but downside is that they add too much so they need to use sponges, which are totally not necessary) but if you do it correctly (thin layer) you need to re-apply it after first 3 to 4 months, and then it will not mix further, heat transfer will be exactly the same.
Thank you for saying it's the mobile version and not like desktop 4090. I'm tired of hearing " this laptop has RTX 4090!" from other reviewers.
They shouldn't have to say it.. you obviously cant fit that in a laptop.
@@DeafEcho27 Actually
1. Quadro RTX 6000 was in laptops. It has better specs than 2080 ti, the top end desktop GPU from Turing.
2. Reviewers don't say it about lower end GPUs either, like 4070M or 4080M. 4090M is literally desktop 4080 with slower memory, so if somebody says "this laptop has a 4070" someone might believe it's a desktop 4070.
After all, the reason Nvidia removed M from the laptop GPU naming was because in Pascal and Turing their naming was honest. They started scamming their customers since Ampere(3000 series).
@@DeafEcho27 I reckon it should be said, just like it should be said that even though this is branded a 4090, the chip being used is a 4080. AD103. The consumer should know when it's being upsold a product with deceptive marketing.
It goes without saying.
If you’re in the market for a laptop with a 4090 you already know this.
@@BrandonWestfall no it doesn't. Many people don't know that a product that is named the same may be entirely different, this is literally false advertising.
Especially owners of Pascal and Turing laptops where laptop specs were the same as desktop ones.
so if you left msi running it would be like in a hospital Dr says you need rest nurses wake you up every 15 mins lol
Slips in between the 4070 super and ti in PR scores. It matches 3080ti and 3090 dedicated desktop scores almost spot on.
$3700...It's called "Bleeding Edge Tech" for a reason, and the victim is your wallet! Ouch!
I did that once and learned the hard way. Spent about $3000 on a top end gaming laptop about 15 years ago and it had a design flaw with the graphics card that rendered it a paperweight in short order. Because it was a flaw in the design and materials used themselves, there was no reliable fix for it.
I'll buy a desktop for that instead..
I have a 4090 desktop and got a high end laptop in 2022 for about $4000 (3080Ti). At the end of the day, I am on my laptop 10x the amount of time I am on my desktop. There is a product for everyone.
@@oneonone8855Yeah for real. You could build a 14900k 4090 desktop system for that price… probably even a couple hundred bucks less if you shop smart.
@@beaniiman$4k for a laptop? Is it made of solid gold? That is insanity.
I was an early-adopter of the first 17" laptops. It was an Acer and it was a beast. This was years before gaming-laptops became a thing.
This thing is so refined it boggles my mind to think about how they managed to get it so right in all the places.
I have been using gaming laptops for the past 10-15 years, and I just love how far they have evolved. I currently rock a 2021 Legion 7i with a 11800H, a GeForce 3080 (16 GB VRAM!!), 32GB RAM and 2TB SSD storage - I just freaking love this machine.
Thanks to your sponsored iFixit reads, I was able to do my own RAM upgrade using an iFixit kit on my Alienware m18 r2 recently, and purchased an iFixIt kit as a result. So, I appreciate every laptop review that you do, sir!
I picked up an Alienware laptop with a Radeon HD 5850 back in... 2010-11? Now I'm sitting here with an m15r4 that far outstrips it. The jump is definitely crazy. Miss that old hotrod look though, lol.
Edit #2: Since some of ya's are just gonna spam "my machine is fine :)" you are missing the point- the risk is inherently higher with LM. If you shake your laptop or take it on a plane or it has a rough time moving around in a backpack you incur a risk that does not exist with other solutions like PTM. Not to mention it's quite common for LM to need reapplication. If you want 2-3 years maintenance free usage out of your laptop you should avoid this solution.
Also big shout out to G-Helper if you use an Asus laptop, it removes all the bloat of armory crate and lets you control power limits/profiles in a much more convenient way.
Original comment:
Word of warning to anyone considering a laptop with Liquid Metal.
Get ready to tear up that laptop and replace the LM once the LM suffers from pump out after a few months.
My Strix 17 SE with LM had to be disassembled due to 100c temps with Liquid Metal because ALL of the Liquid metal just left the CPU & GPU's dies and was just pooled up around it.
I've put PTM on both dies and replaced the thermal putty with UPSIREN U6 PRO and I've not had any temp issues since, it runs even better than with Liquid Metal since it doesn't move off the die or have random hotspots where the LM just left.
Edit #1 : This isn't a guarantee that it will happen but you should be prepared for the strong possibility of needing to reapply it or replace it entirely. You are warned that LM is not reliable for long term maintenance free use cases, so you may have to open it and reapply or have your laptop sent back and get screwed by whatever warranty they use. That risk simply doesn't exist with most other solutions. I personally will never buy another liquid metal based laptop and keep to any that use either ptm or normal paste.
Also, there are tons of posts online about this issue but guess what these laptops cost 2000-3000 so not like there's gonna be millions of reports when it's an enthusiast ridiculous price.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the videos of liquid metal laptops say that it must be reapplied 2-3 times before it stops
My strix had the same issue! unfortunately the liquid metal shorted out my motherboard when it leaked out so RIP :/
You are a sample size of 1, and pump out after "a few months" sounds like a defect. My LM laptop is fine and it's almost a year.
@@boy638You are also a sample size of one so 🤷
@@ffsquirrel 🤯
Lol the photo of the lawyer with the ROG laptop. Totally forgot about that 😂
Special thanks to Jay for almost always providing metric measurements for those of us not in the USA.
Thank you for showing this one, Jay. I'm a gamer and have no space for a desktop. If you can review any other gaming laptops, I'll definitely be watching!
I love how easy that back came off. I hate when companies make them have a 100 plastic locks that break if you dont pry them just right.
Snapdragon X: Liquid Metal for cooling?... Hold my beer.
25:48 These “diving board” trackpads have 1 button in the center. It tells left/right button click by where your finger is on the surface, since the entire surface senses where your finger is. Ideally a haptic one is always better (it is more expensive however, but prevents issues like Dell XPS 15/17’s trackpad wobble when they redesigned the lineup with the huge trackpad back in 2020) or if you’re a boomer like me, a pointing stick
Most trackpads actually only have one button in the way to sense that it's been pushed down and use the location of your finger to determine if it was a left or right click
i just switched my laptop over from thermal paste to liquid metal. the difference in power and performance is awesome. i never thought for a second it would make that much difference. hardcore gaming my temps are almost 15c lower
How can you tell if a laptop has Liquid Metal or thermal paste?
@@Sarity2.0 If it dies right after warranty expires, it has LM :)
@@Qs_Internet_Cafe LM?
@@Sarity2.0 Liquid Metal
@@El_Atolero so it’s a manual thing then laptops don’t come with liquid metal
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I recently purchased a foldable laptop stand that I take with me when I leave my office. It too gives the same cooling as your Ifixit kit, LOL. Thanks for the video. I am running an Eon 17 with the 14900hx and 4080 .
22:48 Oh, gee, Jay! I think I need my glasses for this! :P
I thought this was going to be the Titan 18HX Laptop. Dang.
During the GPU shortages, the best way for me to get a decent gaming computer was to actually use a gaming laptop as a desktop.
If I had no money concerns, I would get this thing no questions asked. What a machine. The only way it would be better is if it spoke to you in a seductive voice.
This is a crazy powerhouse of a laptop, and the ability to keep it from reaching thermal limiting under load is insane, especially in such a thin chassis.
Good on Corsair for including a 2nd NVMe drive slot. My HP Victus 16 only has a single NVMe drive slot, so when I had to increase my storage I had to do a full clone - & - swap, which for the average user isn't an easy task especially when the Windows included method is "broken" and causes more issues than not. A 2nd NVMe slot shouldn't be an "upgrade" for laptops/mobo. Sure don't populate it, but give the consumer the option to add an additional drive.
Overall I'm really liking the design of this laptop and the performance is a tank!
Great video, love that you're feeling better!
The fact that you can get a mini threadripper with good gaming and ok battery life on a laptop is just crazy.
Finally replaced my eight year old laptop...with a tablet. I have an overpriced, overpowered PC because that's what I want to play games on. If I've got something for travel, I don't want to be gaming on it anyways.
The last placed I worked at (Retired now) has almost completely transitioned to using laptops over desktops except for those doing dedicated graphics or CAD work. Most of the folks there needed the capability to work remote or other mobility reasons. Exception were those few who did not need any mobility functions.
It used to be that laptops were so underpowered that it was ancillary to desktops, but now with the laptops being as capable as all but the high end desktops it makes sense.
Be careful with origin, I bought a top of the line sli laptop years back and it was terrible. It was their Australian branch which is defunct now but when I gave it a bad review on a review site, they got it removed by saying it was an old outdated review. It was still under warranty. I managed to get the review reinstated after a long time and a lot of hassle proving to the review site that it was still under warranty.
Origin then told me they would look after me if I removed the review. I did and guess what, they never did anything to the laptop.
Buyer beware.
Thanks, Steve! (Nice cameo :3 )
24:15 The thermal pad looks shiny; is the protective plastic left on?? 🤔
Picked up a good gaming laptop myself. Very nice much human and usable.
I remember having an old IBM Thinkpad R60 back in the day that would sometimes overheat when doing big Installs I needed to do for University
You made me think of it when you said you tilted it up to get more air flow
Anyway one time I needed it not to overheat so I propped it up on some textbooks and bought 2 Cans of Pepsi to stick underneath it such that their coolness could cool the air going into the fans.
It worked and I was able to get the install done properly :)
Gallium nitride has nothing to do with capacitors, at least not directly, it is for the MOSFETs. They are more efficient than 'traditional' silicon-based transistors.
GaN refers to the transistors. They are more expensive versus Si but better for high power applications
The last real gaming laptop from originPC was the EON17-X in the old case. They needed to move in this direction, and not go like everyone else. Let's stuff top-end components into a regular case - just an ingenious solution from marketers.
I had my custom laptop built by CLX back in 2021 and it's fantastic. Spent $5k on it and then personally built my desktop for a little more than i spent on the laptop about 6 months later.
why? I spent 2200 and got a 4k graphic capable pc?(4080 super gpu with ryzen 7800x3d cpu) What are you spending 5k on?
@@PCgamerChannel mine is 4k capable as well. Part of the reason is I pieced mine together when there was a shortage so prices were kinda high. But I got a 12900k, 3090 24gb, 32gb ddr5, noctua cpu fan, 4tb nvme ssd OS and 8tb nvme ssd.
Don't remember which case or motherboard I have. I plan to upgrade to a 4090 fairly soon but my job has me all over the state of Texas so I'm not even using my desktop right now.
I own this laptop. I bought it about three months ago for $5300. The only difference between mine and yours is mine has a 4K 144 hz display, 3M.two ports and two USB three on the left side and two thunderbolt four on the right. keyboard gets way too hot to touch while playing games in 4K. Unless you use a really good cooling pad like I do.
i miss the thick laptops i feel like those would have alot more cooling
remember everyone, it doesnt need to get bigger to give more power :)
Ive been looking at laptops lately but i would like a review or two on some decent beginner ones that can still run some games.
This one is a stud though.
I don't understand why they don't make it a little thicker and better cooling, the temperatures are high in the game without a doubt, 87 degrees for cpu is to high...I will always opt for a thicker laptop with better cooling,otherwise the laptop is very powerful.
my biggest complaint with gaming laptops is the lack of space under the laptop to allow airflow. they always put the shortest feet to prop up the laptop. it does basically nothing. i had to buy a laptop stand to allow my computer to not overheat itself to death.
VIdeo idea - Cooling matts comparison
I ran a Port Royal run just to see where I was at with my 7900XTX (ASRock, Taichi) and I hit 17777 with a stock cooler. Not terrible.
You should run some stuff on the new one Steel Nomad.
The point of RTX is / was the same as it is / was with physiX, when it first came out. It adds little, costs alot, but at one point in time it will become common, affordable and indispensable. And then we wait for the next big thing again :)
Honeywell phase change pads is the way to go. I love my 4090 mobile.
JAY! In Cyberpunk, using standard raytracing, ray reconstruction actually looks great and performs better by a few frames per second! Granted I'm also running at 1080p but still
I don't have a personal laptop, but I have a couple of work ThinkPads. I open them and stand them up like a tent or teepee when I'm working. I have external kb/mouse and monitors with a thunderbolt dock. My Ryzen ThinkPad isn't too hot, but my 11th gen i7 ThinkPad gets pretty hot with just basic office work. I work in IT, and most of my stuff is in a browser. I'm not even running CPU intensive apps. Laptop open in the teepee config is the coolest running option I've found.
I love the idea of a gaming laptop, but I dont think i could live with it constantly plugged in.
I don't hate laptops, just the price.
13:15 LED's use so much less power than a large screen at full brightness, you won't even notice if they are turned on and you turn off the screen
Please keep making videos of laptop Jay 😊
I like how it looks like a generic business laptop from the previous decade and not all that aggro design gaming laptops come with.
I like the 16:10 ratio. I had a hp monitor that was 16:10 a while back and I loved the ratio. I have a surface device and they are 3:2, and I find that a little too square when using it multi purpose, for movies and applications. I think 16:10 could be the sweet spot
kids touching my notebook....nope...I taught them not to touch mine 🤣I also never gave them an old keyboard to play with it just teaches them to push the buttons on yours. Great review just a little to pricy for my taste, I stick to my desktop for now.
18:10 no it's not. Undervolt the CPU and GPU, repaste and you get much lower temps without losing any performance.
Repaste fresh liquid metal???
@@Bourinos02 not in this case, obviously, but re-applying it often improves temperatures, because factory application is often just not good.
I would love to see Jays opinion on the Framework 16 laptop. A modular laptop with right to repair friendly components. I like the idea but they’re pricey.
Replaced my mom's 5 year old laptop (with a trackpad which wouldn't always click) with a new Lenovo. The trackpad's right click left clicks, even at the far right corner. And the left corner was almost proud of the chassis. Sent it back for an Asus which is better but still not a perfect finish, but at least clicks properly. I don't know why it's so hard to make a decent trackpad.
I think they sell a lot more than desktops because a lot of schools give all the kids laptops/people drop and break them/they get stolen/people lose them and you really can not upgrade/update them like you can a desktop. Just my thought.
8:30 Jay, be proud of who you are, if you like games, it's ok to use a laptop that can game. There is nothing embarassing, and no shame in using a gaming laptop to do work on. It's ok. You can do it!
That's a Lenovo Legion chassis. They've definitely skimped on the R&D money...
I thought it looked similar to my legion 5
the legion offers a 99 watthr battery vs 80, seems they def just rebranded the legion though lol
As much as I love watching videos about insane laptops like this, is there any way you could cover a few office oriented laptops built with all day batteries etc... as well? Thank you!
They're a dime a dozen. Pick any Dell/Hp/Lenovo for around $800-$1K.
My 2021 Asus g17 3070 5900HX gets 12 hours of battery life at 90% brightness. No fans when not gaming. Goes to show that you can pick any AMD laptop of the past years.
I hated doing video-conferencing with my therapist during COVID. Her laptop's mic turned off if she looked at her local PC even a little. I have no idea why someone would put that in a laptop.
Gaming laptops have improved significantly over the years. They now offer better performance and build quality. However, their keyboards often become too hot, the fans are excessively loud, and the prices remain high. These issues are common across all gaming laptops, buying them isn't worth it in most cases.
Absolutely mental how far we’ve come. Something of this size a few years ago would not even come close to desktop performance.
He ment performance of his OLD pc. Dude, my phone is faster than some of my old pc"s.
excuse me? Pascal(1000 series) GPUs were 5-10% slower than their desktop equivalents. in Turing(2000 series) desktops were 10-20% faster than laptop equivalents. Desktop 4090 though is like 70% faster than this laptop version because it has much superior specs. What's so amazing about it? This is a desktop 4080 put in a laptop with slower memory and lower power consumption.
Interested in doing some temp testing with one of those laptop cooling pads?
22:46 I thought you were talking to me for a sec there
It's insane how big the XBone brick is compared to this.
I wonder if engineers ever considered aerodynamically enhanced laptops to increase airflow, similar to the floor under a Formula 1 car causing such extreme suction you could drive it on the ceiling at high-speed.
It actually looks and sounds pretty good for on-board mic and camera
12:40 I just finished doing a course for drone pilot licensing here in Australia, and the requirements for batteries is under 160W/h by law. I'd be curious to know (if it's true) why the US legal limit is only half of this. different airlines have different limits, but there's federal law here that gives a blanket 160W/h maximum for batteries.
Jay has the best sponsor blocks on YT
So basically you could have 16tb of storage, 32 once those new M.2s come out.
I suppose some folks might hate laptops. I don't. However, I hate the price. I think you might find that a lot of people hate the price one has to pay for PC-equivalent performance. I'd sooner just pack my PC and take it with me to wherever I'm going instead of spending a boatload on a laptop. Is that laptop badass? Oh, of course it is. But it's bloody expensive. Until there's a solution for that problem, I think you'll find most folks using PCs will just continue using PCs.
The funny thing is that even a 4060 laptop is faster than many people's 20-series GPU. And a 4080 laptop is faster than their 3090 desktop.
So, anyone talking crap about laptops really needs to have at least a 3090 or better. Because if you're talking shit with your 2080 Ti or 3080 Ti, I got 99 problems but a slow desktop GPU ain't one.
it would be cool if you did a video were you compare the battery life of a laptop like this in it's out of the box state and with a minimalist windows 11 os (like altas os or Tiny11) and see if there's a noticeable improvement
It is TDP, The D stands for Design!. Not Desktop.
8:19 I kind of feel like they could've fit two or three more ports back there.
I don't even waste my time with laptops these days, but that one I might consider.
I wish for the days of removable batteries (like my old Dell XPS) so we can blow by those TSA requirements.
Not bad though. I am always on the move so the laptop is an absolute.
Hey Jay, I love your videos and your breakdowns. Incredibly insightful! I just saw minisforum atomman g7 pt on another channel and was wondering if you knew much about it? Not sure how much of a mini/micro pc guy you are but I thought it was interesting!
I would like to have a laptop in my life again... but know I would struggle with the adjustment to not sitting at my desk & using my desktop.
laptops are cool if you need the portability, but beyond that, desktop is so much easier to work with, upgrade, repair, etc
plus they perform better.
@@hovercroft lmao no, absolutely not lol
@@zombl337ogI mean desktops perform better.
@@zombl337og desktops. Not laptops.
I actually like the look of this laptop and the hardware isn't that bad. Would like to see an AMD solution though, with Strix Point / Strix Halo (Zen 5) coming out this year.
it has a keypad, nice , the price for only 16" hand heater is awful ...
Mic is not bad, sounds like its under the keyboard but still
I wish more laptops had an internal 80+WH battery, but them slots on the bottom for an external battery, which according to FAA rules, can be as much as 160Wh, and you can have 2 of them, though its unclear if you're allowed to also have an internal battery, or use both external batteries at the same time
At worst that means a laptop with a 160wh removable battery(my preferred design as it makes the batteries easy to replace when they go bad), but could also mean up to 420Wh
The only thing that would make it better would be a touch screen... I'm impressed.
Man, feet on the bottom of the laptop... I miss those.
I helped my sister get a gaming laptop last year and made her get a cooling pad, cause of the heat.
So basically buy a double the size battery AND mod the crap outta this thing.
Capacitors? Jay GaN refers to the semi conductors that are responsible for the switching within the supply. They have nothing to do with the capacitors. GaN FETs have lower internal gate capacitance and lower RDSon Vs silicon so they can switch more efficiently and with lower internal losses.
Rockin my 2024 Asus Scar 16. It is awesome and probably the most tweakable stock laptop.
great review, I'm look for a laptop to have when blackouts occur, I got a generator without an inverter and wont chance using my desktop 7950X - X670 AORUS AX without an S wave. Still a lot of money to spend just to have something to pull out for only when you need it and two grand will buy a nice battery inverter or replace the generator that has an inverter on it. The keyboard test sounded like a little kid running barefoot on a hard wood floor lol
I would love to know how this unit performs while playing Star Citizen.
I use a cooling pad (more of a unit) that has a gasketed area under the laptop and pulls fresh air into that for the laptop to gobble up. It dropped my laptop 3080Ti over 15 degrees. Its chonky so I leave it at home but best $70 I have ever spent on a laptop cooler.
Looks great! Wonderful performance. Great fly boogies what a price. I knew it would be that expensive though. Awesome review vid y'all.
I have a liquid metal laptop, and the temperatures were insanely low, just 10°C below the throttle point. Six months later, the temperatures were idling at 10-15°C higher, and now it is always throttling. I will never go back to a liquid metal laptop because of that.
yeah, liquid metal always seems to me to be the dumbest way to go simply due to how hard it is to seal...
Seems like its still too thick compared to most similar laptops. The Lenovo Legion Pro 7i or 9i are much thinner with similar performance.
Not bad depends on price sometimes cheaper to build a desktop that's more powerful but still a good laptop battery upgrade would be nice
Laptops are hitting the same barrier as mobile phones. A phone is limited by how big people are willing to go, a laptop is limited by the 99.9Wh battery. Until either of these limits change, phones and laptops will stagnate.